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From the HBO Late month series, Real Time with Bill Ma Let's start with this Any New Yorkers here tonight? Any New Yorkers We saw the greatest come from behind team ever This week I'm talking about the negotiators for Iran, unfortunately, but the Kicks were fantastic too. The Nicks did that. My team. My team that I've been with since nineteen seventy three, I was in high school, the last one they did. I have never wavered on the Nick. so this is important to me. Game five. Okay my w I didn't do anything but suffer, but thank you. But game five is tomorrow night and Trump is not going. He went to game three and they lost. And you know, no, Well, look, the Nicks had a thirteen game winning streak in the playoffs. that's almost unheard of. Then he went, they lost. I'm not saying he made them lose I am saying I'm offering a million dollars not to go to this game It's a joke, by the way. Please That is a joke, because last time I offered money like that, I got sued. So that's joke, complete joke. Judge, whoever's gonna see this the nick game he went to, he brought his granddaughter, Kai. and this is unfortunate. Th of course when they showed him on the cam, the whole crowd booed. and it was a very tender moment when he said to her, I'm sorry, they're booing you, honey A little controversy. Well controversy here. the next day a video was posted of this and the bulling That magically gone. And we don't know who did this, but the speculation is going to either Cash Patel or Pete Hgsetith because if anyone knows how to make booze disappear Wh why I didn't do that one at the end? You have to think for a second, you can't. Can't finish with one of those thinkers, you know But a lot of sports going on. The World Cup is here in LA. Most of the world Oh,. take the lever. Yeah, most of the world considers soccer the number one sport. Here it's where you put your kids when you don't want to pay for daycare.s I don't get the attraction of soccer. I don't There's more scoring at Bible camp, but okay. you love it, you love it? And I'm glad you have it But the really big sporting event is this weekend, you know I'm sure you know what's going on. our Red Nck president is Turning eighty. and to celebrate, there is a UFC fight. On the w So the emperor is holding glladiator games on his birthday. Nin to see here I wouldn't think about it too much. Dry much And hopefully, the big fight will also serve as a celebration for a peace deal with Iran, which the president says is imminent, but he says that every week They count it now. He has said it thirty eight times thirty eight times. You know, last week, the same thing. It started with we have a peace deal and then by the end of the week we're going to hit him very hard. all caps.s very hard. We're going hit him. And then he thought about it with himself. to peace Do we even really need Iran in this war? I mean, really, do we L it Every time they pipe up, he says, Who asked you to stay out of it Trump said, if you don't agree, said to Iran, if they don't agree. to this peace deal, they will pay the price Pay the price. Gas is six dollars a gallon out here S The Iranians who pay the price are living in Beverly Hills. o? F And every week Every week as the president gets more frustrated, he blames somebody else. Last week it was Oman Oha Oh mom, what' we do? This week it's the Kurdge. The couradge. He said, The Kurdge let us down. And I won't forget, Kurdge We've gone from threatening every country in the world to threatening somebody who just wants to be a country. U, They're on me The curd. They're on the waiting shit list. But none of that will be remembered in the future. What we were remembered in the future from this week is what happened in the stock market today. SpaceX, are you familiar? that's Yes, the Elon one of Elon Musk's companies went initial public offering. You can buy stock at it now, bigiggest one ever, and Elon is now a trillionaire a trillionaire. Now, I give Elon his props He has created amazing things. Yes, SpaceX is amazing. So was Tesla, Neurol Link, Starlink. Elon owns a company that can rewire your brain. It's called Twitter. Briillionaire. I mean Elon says he will use his wealth to get to Mars because he believes one thing above all, if you have to leave Earth to avoid California taxes, you do what you have to do. All right, thank you very much. We' a great show in Bremmer. and Har Shali is here. My first up us a contributor for the New Yorker and author of the number one best selling book of essays, The Landinest People. One of the funniest people on Earth. David Saderis is there. Do you are? how are you Allright, And what? Litally Lately, I like to wear a pile of clothes. That's just my thing This pussy bow It comes to the ground. sometometimes I don't tie it and I just leave it dangling. But we decided backstage it would look good tie. what is that? Is it a shirt? It's a shirt with a massive pussy bow attached to it. What's a pussy bow? A pussy bow is like a oversized bow. So this That's a term people knowose to the ground. That's a term people It's a term. It's aerm It's it's a a perfectly polite tok term. In the heterosexual community also? I don't know. I never heard of it So the book is number one as it should be, Maestro, You've done it again U I guess I guess I mean, I loved it as I love all your books Do you think that more interesting things just happen to you Or do you just see things we all see and make them interesting? I think it's probably a lot of the second, but seems to be a little bit of the first. You seem to put yourself in places where interesting things happen that prompt these awesome essays. I think I just have a notebook. I think that's the only difference. I mean, most people they see things They forget about it, but I have a notebook and I just write it down. Well I remember. But you also say at one point and so many things I do relate to because we're about the same age that you know, at one point you moved to New York Right. And you didn't things were not going well And you were gonna to go back to Chicago. But you don't want to go back and you know, we don't want to face that where you didn't make it in the big city. Yeah, that'd be the worse. Right And you said the one reason you wanted to stay in New York is there's just a lot more chance if you're walking around New York, you see weird shit Right, You see interesting stuff that's gonna prompt a story Yeah, just things that you could possibly write about, but I don't know, I feel like it can really happen Anywhere, you know, if you just most people are just looking at their phone. That's a difference. I'm the only one not looking at my phone. but now when I look around, this is what I see People looking at their phone. Right. And go but you go all over the world. I mean, this one, I mean, the story is about The Safari. I thought it was fascinating where you didn't take any pictures. Probably the first person who never took a picture. You seemed so disappointed And they would say, get out your camera. and I And I just didn't I don't just' again, we're the same age. so that's how I think. It's like, I'm really gonna forget the hippo You know, I have a camera up here. I've had it my whole life. know there was a long time we didn't need that camera when we just would take a picture with our mind. other thing I kind of related to is you said you went to Zanzibar. Right? Yeah. And You couldn't help forget that there was such an income gap between the tourists. and the people who live there That's why I don't go to. When we stayed at this resort and then we found out when we got there that the town that they cut off the electricity for two weeks for people on the island I mean, it was insanely hot and humid and they didn't even have fans. And then they said, donon't worry, the resort has generators And then you felt even kind of worse And then you'd go on the beach and people would try to sell you stuff. And even when you were in the water, they would try to sell you things. So I couldn't I don't go to places like that. I just feel guilty the whole time. Well Hawaii is the only place where you go Hawaii and people' the state of America. Yeah. you know, they're doing quite well actually. But if you want to go to a hot place If you want to go to a hot place in the winter, most places are sad are sad exactly. And also you tell a story which exactly what happened to me in Mexico once, which you get into a cab. I mean, this happened to you in Janor, happened to me in Mexico and the cab driver, you say, how long, how is it how much to get to And he says, it's thirty thousand pesos And you get there, thank you. That'll be ninety thousand pesos. And you wait, you sit and No, you must have misheard me. And we both know. that he's lying. Right. And then you feel like I was gonna to give you that as a ten, right It to wrrippen me off. I would have given it to you anyway And then you think, you didn't have any electricity And The snails in Zanibar are like They're like that big. That's all really they have to offer in terms of like N just really big snails It's the only really the only reason Well, on the beach. Take out and the beach in the weather And the beach. But again, you're in the water and people are trying to sell you shit in the water. In the water. No, I'm not I know. If I me I think that it's fantastic that you're winning the Mark Twain Oh that' So a longong The last time I was here, I predicted that Jeff Foxw for Jeff Foxway they was gonna to get it next, you know, because Kennedy Center had been taken over. So where' the ceremony then? At the Kennedy Center. Oh it's going to be at the Kennedy. Well, let's not talk about it too much We don't know what's going to happen. I mean at one point it was canceled. You know, the president tried to stop it, and then we were back on. and then then a judge ruled that let's fucking not talk about it, please because it's just it could only make it worse. Do you put things up Like let's say if you get it, will you display it in your home or no There's plenty of room on the mantel Let's talk about you. and we're here to talk about your book, not my long awards history, but one thing I love about it is you're never sentimental. You know This one moment, I feel like you allowed yourself, you're talking about the fact that I didn't know this until I read this, you've actually been secretly married for ten years Yeah. And at the very end At the very end of it. You allow yourself a nice word about your husband He's so controlling, but he's so handsome. That's the only little moment I find like that, because that's what I love about you. Well, I didn't want the only reason it was a shotgun wedding arranged by Bom banker. I think it's completely unfair. I think it's unfair that married people get any kind of tax break because what if you're like It just really ugly. and nobody wants to marry you or have sex. Why should you be financially penalized And So I think they should get rid of the tax break for everybody for you know instead of u make Yeah, get rid of it for married people. I couldn't agree more. And mean that's the only reason I did it. And then When When people say, congratulations.t I don't know what they're talking about. It takes me a minute. And then your marriage, Oh right. Yeah, I always thoughtelt the coolest thing about being gay was that you couldn't get married. I wanted I wanted a I wanted gay people to fight for the right to marry and then not a single one of them to do it.. I thought that right. It should have theack. I also love that you You saying you hate when people use the term like my person You know, they used to say that, you know People used to be my soulmates. mid my person. But what are the odds out of the billions of people who live in the world that your're one person lives in your same apartment complex It's always sy. or goes to your community college. So I don't feel like Hugh is That's my I can't even say I identify as a boyfriend, evenven though I'm a husband, I identify as a boyfriend sad if he die. If he died, I'd be sad to that you cant enough Yeah, that's all you would need at this ceremony. Yeah. If I was gonna to get married, I'd be like, I be sad if you died. Okay, so before we run out of time after the best story in the best one I think in the book, maybe the best of the year, the decade, this is just an immaculate story, the one about the dog. your little dog too. First of little, perfect title for the story Just tell them a little bit of about you're in Portland, which is a, you know, let's call it a peak woke city. During peak wokeness, it went crazy I mean, like police were the enemy and all that stuff. They've retrenched that. And you got bit by a You know, you can walk down the street there and there's a lot of fence and all atts that are just out and about, right? And one of Their dogs bit you And the people around there sided with the addict and the dog. were They were like, they're still better off and howic is still better off than you. And like the sad part is that there's no good place for these animals. And you were like Is that really the sad part? Because Do you see this bite hole in my leg Nobody said. It awful that you got bit by a dog. They said, What what kind of a dog was it? Myne person said Wo One person said, didid you get the nam? And I said, Oh, they're fentany all said, were're going give me their names. No, of the dogs. It would help the rescue them. And was But if I had said If I had said I was walking down the street and these tech bros, I don't usually use words like that, had a dog and it bit me, they'd be incensed. But because they were drg addicts, then everybody took their side. they felt like they couldn't say that it was They treated me like it was my fault. or you just, Well, that's the way it goes. You're better off than that. And you get to, I think, what is just the heart of so much of our fucked up politics. You say, why is it so hard for people like this to say that it's wrong for a drug addict's dog to bite you. And your answer is because then, oh, then you're a Republican Right which is crazy because then it puts the Democrats in the position of the pro Drug addict dog bititers? Well I got a letter from this woman and she was walking after dark, and a man was following behind her She turned around and said, Can I help you? He said, I'm homeless, Do you have some money? She said, I don't have any money on it. She kept walking. He followed her. She turned around. She said, this really m me uncomfortable. She said, I also take cash app She said, I don't have that either. When she told people the story, they said, You don't have cash app? Like that was the whole aestro, you've done it again. Great to see you. David Sagaris As always like your life off Creet our chanel president and founder of Eurasia Group and Jizera Media I Breimmer. and she is the former spokesperson of the US. Mission to the UN, co founder of the Lebanon Israel Peace Alliance and host of YouTube's, Oh My World, Hagar, Shimali. Great to see you. Thank you for the first time And We're going to start with the big economic news because I feel like even though it's a big story today, it is not big enough story. I mean, initial public offering, if people don't follow economics, that's where something goes public. It's been Spaceg's been around for a while, right? Okay. And it does other things besides send rockets to space, right? doesnes't it do the satellites he has Okay so it's a viable company. It's worth a lot of money One point seven seven trillion Is it worth What happened to irrational exuberant? This is first of all, it's insane. Over four thousand people who worked for the company in the past became millionaires, notot just Elon bec Elon's shares now are worth eight hundred sixty six billion That's on top of the money he already had from his other companies Um, This is really AI money, first of all, right? Is that what they're really investing in? Is that what what Okay. and then Is it going to be like five people who have all the money in the world? And can you be a good capitalist? Here's my quote. Can you be a good capitalist as I think I am or a believer in gon? and still think there should be some capital on wealth. You have to Americans believe that people should be able to make it They should be successful. It's one of the things that really makes our country work. We don't think necessarily that someone who's worth one hundred million, even a billion, maybe even a trillion is necessarily a bad thing. where many other countries, they do. But there has to be opportunity for the average American and their kids to get there And the fact that we we saw Graham Platner came out immediately today They should never be another trillionaire You know, you see Elizabeth Warren, you'll see Robert Reich, every billionaire is a policy failure. reflects the fact that a whole bunch of Americans feel like they don't trust leaders. They don't trust these elites that Elon, the first trillionaire, also happens to be the person that gave the most money to the Trump administration, two hundred fifty million dollars. They don't feel like that's a coincidence and that they don't have that kind of access, no matter how smart they are, no matter how hard they work. So for me, it's not about the money For me, it's about the lack of mobility, the lack of opportunity to the fact that we don't believe in the. Sould be able to have a trillionaire? Do you agree with that Not a billionaire I have a problem with it because I don't have a problem with how these billionaires and now single trillionaire made their money because they've grown these companies, they've built them. But you know the income, the wealth gap that you're talking about It's important because you don't want people to feel that their very real economic suffering is because of the billionaires. You want it when the tides rise that all the boats rise with it, right? And I think that there's a danger in viewing the billionaires as the problem Because then it leads from there people to say, it's our economic system that isn't working. Therefore it's capitalism that isn't working. And the problem with that, you already seeing those seeds being planted, right? Mum Donny, that's big his big arguments were about socialism and things like that. And the thing is What you need certain regulations, certain, maybe it's taxes, maybe things that can indicate to people It's not because of the billionaires. The billionaires are doing business in innovation and hopefully that as job growth It's other ways that you want them to believe that there's opportunity that they can pursue, But it's not because of the. Okay. mean you guys keep saying billionires and the story today is been Brilliant there. show you. Okay, C we just get real about this a trillion? Would it be crazy to have a law that said you can't go above One percent of gross domestic products Gross national product You as one person Because when John D. Rockefeller reached that, they did make laws One percent, I think it's still a pretty big flex if you're trying to pick up a wom. I'm a happf. You know, if you're like what do youve what do I drive? I'm worth one percent of the United States. That's me. Even that is money that No one could possibly spend. I just think things get so out of whack And I know And again, he's not going to be the last one. I think the other four or five AI in Sen. You know, on the spectrum types. Yeah I just don't see this turning out well. I think it's the lack of trust. I think when you had Bill Gates and when you had Warren Buffett, And they were not only making billions and tens of billions of dollars, even a hundred billion dollars, which back then felt like real money. they were also doing things to change the world. They were showing that they cared. We have a story about trust and inequality right now in my city, in New York City, with this team, right We got. ten thousand, ten thousand dollars to get in.? one hundred, two hundred thousand dollars to sit just right there in the front row. And yet everyone in New York, every single person Staten Island, New Jersey, the Bonx, they're rooting. Why are they rooting? First of all, because they feel like they have a connection to the team. Second of all, because the star, Jalen Brunson, who is extraordinary gave up over a hundred million dollars so that he could actually g more money that the rest of the team could benefit from. And they play like a team. So it's not that Americans have a problem with people making a lot of money, but you've got have a some stake in it. You've got to have a part of it. and that's why we want the Kicks to go and f I never used props by the way. I today we needed to. What a winner that was U onene seat went for a million. They sold a courtside seat for a million dollars. And by the way, I thought this is so interesting. Trump only like two weeks ago was talking about They sounded almost exactly like what I've said about sports and the way it has migrated to streaming You have to buy all these streaming channels. You have to hunt for the game, cost you a lot of money. they work worse. And he was he said, there's something very sad when they take football away from many, many people, veryery sad. I don't like it. You said, they're making a lot of money. They could make a little bit less. You got people who live for Sunday. and then all of a sudden they're going have to pay a thousand dollars a game exactly Then they asked him at the game the other day The cheapest price that reporters said for the game going in is eight thousand dollars. Everyday Americans can't afford these sporting events. I expected him to say this what he already said about sports. He said, Well, they can watch it on television, but that's the way life goes S This is my point about Trump. Keep talking to him because he has no fixed beliefs Other than wind is bad and tariffs are good Not very principled. We might as well be the last person who has his ear because you know, he went from it's terrible to them. Fuck you It sucks to be you. That's the way life goes. That I't I look at is something you were talking about, but just because people yes, Jalen Brunon did give up money He's also gotut being paid hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah. Yes. And a lot of Americans are doing well. You know, when people say, oh, lucky lucky it's a lucky money The upper middle class has grown three times that's like a third of the country who are doing very well. That's still two thirds that aren't doing that great. Okay? But it's enough to make people think I could be one of them. You know. Okay. So they have a slogan now that is catching on It's ironic because it started on the right and now it's migrated to the left. And that's the Epstein class. Let's not forget where Epstein obsession started, Qanon I remember when I was doing jokes about it, Q andon, they're nuts. And by the way, they are nuts. They think Democrats eat babies. They want to run after me as a pedophile because I got a picture of me with red shoes Red Singess equals a pet, you know, there But when I see a pope, right Well, the remember ye. obbviously, had to fyile a G. not the present one, but present. Yeah. But I guess that's where they got it from, I don't know. And the shoes were burgundy, by the way The point is I think they're onto something here. That's what the left now is using this term, the Epstein class. and what they mean by that are people who just these elites, they can be on both sides Trump was good friends with Epstein, and so was Bill Clinton It is a nonpartisan thing to a degree. It is a group of are getting away with murder.'s not that they're making it through their intelligence and their capacity,'s that they're networked and therefore it's a two tier system The legal system doesn't apply to them. The judicial system doesn't apply to them. The political system works for them they capture it. If America becomes a coin operated democracy, you will see pitchforks. And the Epstein class is a reaction on the left, just as it was a tagline drain the swamp for Trump until he decided that he wanted to get his and billions and billions of dollars that they're making because of connections through power Right? I mean, you tell me that World Liberty Financial is worth all of those billions, that that is because they just happen to be brilliant or because they happen to be in a position of power. He shouldn't be making billions. No. I think it's their issue, it's what I'm saying I want to be I'm not trying to say I believe this term the Ebstein class. I understand it because what they're trying to say is billionaires that get away with murder, basically. I mean, as you said, but get away with everything. They're infilrating politics, they're inluencing politics, how people vote and so on. The is You know whereere else we used to see this idea or view that This is the fault of the elite. This is the elite. My suffering is because of the elite It's the elite's fault. I can't move ahead because of the elite. That's a very dangerous road to go down because they're laying blame in the wrong place. And that's why I would love to see our government Take control more perhaps maybe I don't know if the what shaving the one percent, like you said, maybe there's a cap I don't love the idea of a cap. No, I didn't say one percent. I said worth one percent of gross marginal proice. That's different than the one percent. Fair, but I'm off for money. Does that money go to the government? Are we sure we can trust the government with what they're gonna to do with that money? I think to your point, it's better to have if you can instill that social contract where you have people who are ' psuing charity And you have a lot of those billionires who are doing that who believe in donating a large portion of their wealth, who've signed these pledges for that. And so I'm trying to say is I don't think they should all be labeled to the Epstein class. I think there's a danger Well, they're not in the Epstein class. they're just people. I call them the shark soup people. You know people know it'sillegal to have sharks soup. It's kill sharks for soup Pe do it, and I bet you this soup tastes like shit. It's just that we can do it. We can We can get away with it. just by way we can, Epstein with the young girls on the al. We can do it. Nobody's going to stop this. That's this is where. Epstein cllass is a big piece of it because it's the sense of corruption, the sense of entitlement that we will never have access to, but it's American young people right now are more skeptical about AI. than almost any other country in the world And it's because they think that they're being lied to. They think that this technology that's going to be rolled out is going to take jobs away from them, take opportunities away from them. and that their leaders will not give them a shot Right? The generation alpha is going to become generation F, right? That's not going to get you anything but pitchforks. And what we've seen is when there's high inflation And we see when there's mistrust on these issues, they vote the bums out. Yeah. That's what you w see happening in the midterms Well, we'll see, I just do think this is migrating to the left. It's their issue. Trump said he would drain the swamp and he bottled it, basically.. 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For the bride and groom, it was love at first sight, says Don't ever say nothing good ever happens on Oly Fast.. D't, don't go. Forget your other marriages. I've got a really good feeling about this one Don't say if she kisss is half as good as her mom, I think you two are gonna be okay Don't say these two are proof that there really is summon for everyone in this world But damn that's be one ugly baby. Don't die U D't Am I crazy or is' the stripper at the Bachelor party and the wedding planner the same chick? Is that And to the groom, I apologize. Apparently I was wrong. You can pray away the gay. All right, let's go to the issues All right, let's do it this week. We have to, it's the law, talkal about Iran. Yeah. Look, I don't know what the latest is. And even if you told me what it was, I wouldn't believe you because it's just the same thing. It's just groundhog day, all these things, I heard now we're going have a for sure we're going to have a deal and a peace signing. I mean, there's no way out of this for him for Trump. I mean, it's the only way out is if he comes up with a deal that's better than the one Obama got And the only way to do that is with a full on invasion. and he doesn't want to do that What does he do? He's looking for an off ramp right now, right now he's very clear Desperate for a deal. Yeah. He's desperate for a deal. He is showing his cards. the Iranian regime very much knows that. And he's trying to achieve all these goals at once. He's trying to communicate to the American public, Don't worry about gas prices. They're going to go down soon. I'm cutting a deal. the deal is coming close. We're going to be this weekend, et ccetera. And we're seeing this over and over and over again, as you said, that a Trump imp personersonation? I can a better one. have I wasn't ready for that. Everyone can do. Beautiful. He's also trying to communicate to the Iran regime and flex his muscles say and back his language with the threat of force, which I don't believe he's going to actually carry through on those threats anymore. He's also trying to placate the Gulf. The Gulf Allies are really trying to encourage him not to go back into war, to make a deal of some kind. That's why he's put Jared Kushner now on this process He's desperate to come to a deal while also trying to make it look like it's not the same as the Obama deal, which he spent forever criticizing. And I personally I am worried about where this deal is headed. I work a lot on Lebanon, Israel, as you mentioned, and I'm afraid Lebanon gets sold to Iran. I'm afraid about sanctions relief, sanctions relief. I sound like a sanctions monger. There'n't a sanction I don't like. But I'm afraid that if he gives sanctions relief, it's too strong. It's going to fund all the proxies But he wants to move on. He's bored. He's said that. He has said it enough. Fankly, I'm bored with the talking points as well, but you know who's not bored are the Iranian people who have been suffering under this regime, who have had families victims lost and slaughtered forty, thirty to forty thousand of them. And they're watching to see Yeah He took a shot at a festering problem. It didn't work Not even close. Not close.. becausecause first of all, I think they just did it the wrong time. If they done it when the people were in the streets, maybe the uprising would have happened. They waited until everybody got slaughtered and then sat around for a couple of months and then did it. So they fucked up. I love to believe that. I hope that that's true. I don't think it is. But we'll never know. We'll never know. We are where we are. It was yeah, exactly. I'm with you Right at the beginning. The headlines every week are the same. They're relentless, Is there a deal? Isn't there a deal? But there are some really big long term things that have already happened that we can talk about. So for example, OPEC is over. The Eiratis have pulled out. and that means that they want to produce as much oil as humanly possible because they don't want that to be a stranded asset. They know it's not going to be worth so much over time They want to become a global node as a city state. That's by the way, that's a monopoly. It's a cartel over energy over fossil fuel energy that is not good for anybody, glad to see them go. The Americans are the largest producer in the world right now. That's number one. That's a big thing that has happened, not because Trump was planning it, but it matters. Second good. Yeah, well also, they're building pipelines now. That's right. I mean again, he does things in such a clumsy way and sometimes fumbles forward to a good result. That's rightcond They are buil because the Straighter Hormuz will never be as strategically important as it is now because they got the memo. got to we got to send the oil the other way through pipelines. So when the Chinese hit back hard and put that said critical minerals we're gonna shut you down.. We didn't think they could. As Soon as they did it, what do we all do? Start investing critical minerals in five ten years.. They can't use that again. It's exactly what's happening in response to the Iranians. The Emiratis build a new pipeline. But the most important thing is people move away from oil and gas. It is electric vehicles, it's solar because we now know not just in that strait, but in Malacca The Houthis in the Red Sea, you take some drones and you can hold a one hundred ten trillion dollars economy to ransom. So it turns out Orange is the new green. Trump is going to end up going down as the president has done more for renewable energy than any president in history So that's our strategy. Cut and stay. Yeah. Well, I think, you know, in the big picture, people just, I mean, the reason why he lost part of his coalition is because they thought he ran on America first. And they thought America first meant America has been too generous to a lot of countries, they thought, And some of that was true, I'm sure They also thought we were too overextended and they wanted to pull back And now we're not doing that Another thing that worked out, actually, I don't think it was necessarily the way he intended, but he certainly get some credit for it he wanted European countries to pay more to pay more and to take, you know Clinton once made a speech and said America was the indispensable nation, and Trump was like, yeah, we don't wantan to be Why do we have to be indispensable Okay. I mean, I kind of like that women are indispensable and I would like to think there are things about us that are indispensable. but You know, there is truth to that too. he was right. European countries could step up and they did step up. Germany is spending more money, I think, now on their defense than they have in like forty years in one year. I give Putin a little more credit for that than Trump, But Trump deserves some credit for that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. becausecause Putin threatened. that's right. And they And he said, well, this is a European problem N not like we haven't already given a hell of a lot of money to Ukraine. have we given something like hundred seventy billion dollars already. Okay. And then we kind of stopped, which was wrong. And you know, his big line, he said about the Iran War two, at one point he said, The Iranians don't seem to realize they have no cards Exact same thing he said to Zelensky Well, both of them have cards.oth have cards. We're not the only one with cards. It's just like he just manifests these things. They're begging for a deal. No, they're not Just because you say it doesn't mean it's going to happen That's the that's the problem we have, but The cards thing. tellell me what your thought about that is, this idea that Ukraine, which is After putting your hat The biggest comeback since the Nick. Oh my go. Yeah. I mean Did any of us think I didn't I didn't think Ukraine could beat Russia, but they did. It turns out, right that necessity is the mother of invention. R guys are getting very serious not like the Europeans. And let's go back to Elon for a second. Starlink, he shut Starlink off for the Russians back in February, which means that their drones no longer working. And now the Ukrainians, without people on the front lines are able to actually take territ And that is a very serious change. Ukrainians have a hell of a lot of cards right now, and they're putting a lot more threat against the Kremlin that the Kremlin is presently putting on Kieyv. And you know, Trump should back a winner here. So you'd like to see him engaging a little bit more with So. I'm not expecting an apology You know, Im not expecting a thank you for doing all of that as president Vice President Vance would say, but the Americans might want to pivot a little bit towards a winner I think that's the one thing he would understand winers and Zelenssky doesn't need an apology. winning Winning is the best apology there is. And I mean, where are we a year from now in this war in Ukraine? I mean, it could be I mean, Russia can't just constantly put people into this meat grinder. How many people do they have left? They emptied the prisons. They You know, they got all the dregs of society, put them as cannon fodder on the front line. Who's left to fight this war Russia could go for a while though, and dictators do that, right? They sustain a lot. They don't care as much about. They certainly have no value for human life. We already know that. And they have constant feed, not just from prisons, but from other countries, North Korea, China. They have ways of fueling this machine. your point about Elon Musk is major because this is really what shifted things for the Ukrainians Russia is now going into the front lines blind, whereas the Ukrainians see everything. Now in a year I mean, who's to say because there's a peace process allegedly or a deal. I mean Putin said that he's going to do this. He's offering talks with Zelenskyy. The administration is overseeing it under Steve Witoff, I believe. But know, who knows which way it to go. But I actually have I have some hope for this one Even because there's a because all of these The Ukrainians are being very creative and they're finding ways to push the Russians back up against the wall. And that by the way, in Iran would be the same. The only way you're going to get a deal that you really any deal that you could try to fashion that would work in our favor and in our national security interest is if you have their backs up against the wall. Otherwise, Russia and Iran, similarly, they're just looking to survive as long as possible, outlast Trump get to the next leader, last as long as possible without collapsing. And dictatorships have a way to do that for a very long time. sanctions I wonder if the world will take note that no matter what form of government you are, if you're gooliath doesnn't mean you win. Does't mean you win just because you're bigger and you're big The budget is a zillion times more and you have more of this and more weapons and more of that It's going to be a stalemate. The good news is that the Chinese are seeing that And they understand that for Taiwan for South China Sea. Their lesson is, you know, this could actually go very badly for us with the military that's been hollowed out and that we haven't actually engaged in fighting for decades. The issue though, is that Putin himself He's not getting any younger He looks pretty bad He's spending most of his time isolated, right? Not with good advisors around him. H former bodyguard is one of his top national security advisers right now. I worry a lot that as things get worse, especially if Zelensky's able to bring that direct threat to him and his inner circle, but that's when you get something really bad. Yeah, he can last for a long time, but there are very few constraints on him. The Chinese really recognize that this is going badly. Putin just went over there. and a couple of Chinese leaders told me right after the meeting, they said, yeah, we know this is going badly. We want a ceasefire. We're prepared to push harder. And I said, well, Do you feel more optimistic? Like he's not listening to us. You you talk to Chinese leaders? Sure. Yeah. And Xi's okay with that. I can't talk to Xi. He's okay with me talking to Chinese leaders. S Really? The foreign minister had a press conference with me last n, I was in Beijing, I think it was. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay Yeah. as long as they tow the party line. Well, look, they're gonna talk about what they want to talk about. You shouldn't be trusting that they're not suddenly they're giving you some secrets that they're not interested in. point is They understand the war in Russia has been bad for China This is a know an ally of the Chinese. I think the big reason why Xi Jinping went to Pyongyang last week was because he was hoping to get more information and some leverage on a country that's close to Putin right now that's provided I I still think they want Taiwan. I think that's their Cuba. they do want it. They're never going to give up until they get. I agree.. But they're learning some lessons near term because they're seeing that Goliath, as you just said, Bill, isn't always winning the way Goliath thinks they are Okay Let's leave it there. Time for new roules, everybody. New roules No well, if you work for VNa Nexus, the company that collects human urine and turns it into liquid fertilizer. And I sit next to you And I said next to you on a plane and asked so what do you do for a living? Just lie and tell me you're in sale. . I don't need to hear about how the urine is collected or then processed to spread on the food that I eat There's enough going on right now that scares the piss out of him U , now that Jill Biden has released her memoir, a view from the East Wing, Melania must release her memoir in which she describes her view from the East Wing, a backhoe, a mound of dirt and a porta potty Oh we coulda Now we ro of the Steeple chase, the track and field event, which starts with a gunshot, and then is a foot race where you have to keep jumping over a thing and landing in a puddle must be renamed rununning from the police And it must end with climbing over a chainlink fence while a dog bites you on the ass. No, people who get a tattoo of their area code must tell me how I'm supposed to respond to that Because all I can think of is two things. So you really like your phone number, huh Can I see one of the zip code on your ass? Nally, you can make the new non alcoholic Cor lightite if you like, but first you have to show me the person who was drinking Cor lightite for the taste Be Really, if you take the getting drunk part out of this If you're taking a stip of this and thinking, Mm, yum, I hate to tell you this, but you have long COVID. Finally, new rule, let's get real about Graham Platner If you've been sleeping on politics lately, well, who can blame you But the big story is the Democrats can likely take back the Senate in November if they win Maine But their a local candidate official now up there is after the primary this week. Let's just say A guy who has a backstory that screams donon't ass. Now, I don't judge Graham Platner because I'm just learning who he is. Problem is so is he. What I do know is he served his country in the Marines in war, and you can never discount how big that is But then there's the sexting while married scary behavior, so say some of his exes, old posts about how he's a communist and All cops are bastards and black people don't tip Well They don't tip cops, I can understand that Here's a typical Platinner quote he said about the Iraq warar. You can think it's dumb and also kind of not want to miss it Oh Graham, I feel the same way about so many things, The Oscars Christmas, Taylor Swift's wedding That little speech Nicole Kidman gives before the movie comes on where she looks insane. And then of course, there's the Nazi tattoo on his chest. I mean, seriously, this guy's whole life is the movie the hangover He doesn't need a term in the Senate, he needs a gap ge in Costa Rica And yet I would still urge the folks in Maine to vote for him For two reasons. One, we need to restore balance in our government, and a Democratic Senate would help a lot with that And two t used to it America is a country filled with a lot of broken, horribly educated, phone addicted, sort of nutty people. And as long as we live in a representative democracy, we are always electing our reflection in the mirror I wish the tattoo was the scariest thing about Platner. It's not That would be his solution to a home invasion. which is to rape the home invader And no, of course, that's not policy he's proposing. It's a fantasy his act says he talked about Next week it'll be policy . And to be fair, he said the raping wasn't something he'd do in a gay way because that would be weird. Okay, this is the kind of thing war does to people That's who we created Our society is not healthy. We create broken people, so don't expect politicians to suddenly become Lincolnesque again Tom Keene Junior is running in New Jersey despite the fact that he's gone completely missing for the last three months. No Biggie He says in the future, he'll be completely transparent U Tom, completely transparent is what you are now Are you okay, Jh? Are you curled up in a ball And he's favored to win because I'm just guessing a lot of people say, Hey, we've all been there Oh, there's going to be more bad tweets from candidates that haven't aged well. more bad tattoos Did Platner know the tattoo was a Nazi symbol when he got it? Maybe. But people today are so inundated with misinformation and internet bullshit. I wouldn't trust he knew what it stood for anyway Everything people know Now is from social media and shit posting and whatever some other idiot sends them orr whatever the Chinese are feeding them on TikTok Every single violent actor in the last five years, from Trump's assassin to Luigi has prompted a headline that said some version of Experts find markers of both right and left wing political views Yeah, because we have a new breed of voter today, people who are intensely political, but somehow know almost nothing about politics Liberal, Conservative? I don't know what makes you either one. Conspiracy theories that they know. and memes and trolling that also might be true Maren Golindo is a Democrat. who ran for the house in Texas this year describes herself as a judgment free sex therapist. I hope so, who wants a judgy one What would that be? Well, plainly your dick's too small Okay, so she's judgment free, Namaste But she's also said during the campaign she wants to turn the IC detention center in her district into a prison for Zionists and IC officers But he says Putting Zionist billionaires in prison does not mean putting all Jews in internment camps So a moderate I guess she thinks she's progressive. Because hating Iice, okay, Czeck and hating Jews, sure, that's progressive now Concentration camps? I associate that more with conservatives. Is that just me Crazy It's just not a deal breaker anymore for running or' serving The Secretary of Health keeps a freezer full of roadkill Even the worm in his brain is like, I'm not eating that I mean, our current president just speaks out loud his internal monologue You know what the internal monologue is, right? It's just that stream of thoughts that we all have pouring through our heads all the time. and that we all That it We edit our thoughts We don't just fling all of our feces We have a strait of Hormuz between our brain and our mouth where we don't let everything through, but not the president of the United States You're either crooked or you're stupid. I am the chosen one. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? You're just a lightweight You're terrible person. I don't like mosquitoes. He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured by him. I know you're not thinking. You never do. Hey, A president. Do you believe it I mean Politics has always been a crazy game, but the people running Weren't this crazy My winner though, this year, Victor Marks I just heard of him recentally, Victor's a Christian minister who may soon be governor of Colorado, and who performs exorcisms over the phone. Which I think gives the devil an unfair edge The power of Christ compows Gentm inute Tunnel Doror Marks says things out loud that he just seems to have hallucinated The way AI does sometimes is when it tells you that the key ingredient in fettuccini is glue Victor says he rescued forty five thousand people from predators, which is about forty five thousand more than anyone can verify. He says he called in an airstrike That killed seventy ISIS fighters, which is impressive considering at the time he was not in the military He says he was forced to kill a man when he was seven And when a reporter asked, do you think you've killed people as an adult? his answer was, does it matter I think it does. Thank you very much I want to thank my guests Ian Brner, Kagar, Samali, and David Saderis club random Dps every Monday on YouTube or Listen, rem we get your podcast. Th go watch oververtime on YouTube. And thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I appreciate it. Thank you very much Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Mar every Friday night at ten or watch them anyime on HBO on demand. For more information, log on to HbO. com Brian Reynolds here from Mit Mobile I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for fifteen dollars a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities, so do like I did and have one of your assistant' assistants switch you to Mint mobile today