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Welcome to an HBO podcast, from the HBO Late Night series, Real Time with Bill Ma. Senator from Pennsylvania, John Fetterman. And host of the podcast, Hold these Fruits, Dan Crenshaw, and she is an ABC News contributor and former DMC chair, Donna Brazil. All right. That the people wanna know. They want to know what do you make of the split in Mega? Is there a Republican civil war brewing? Well, there certainly is big disagreements. I mean, you know I've been fighting the civil war for a long time. You know, pointing out the the atrocities and the the grifting of people like Tucker Carlson. And now there's a lot more people obviously realizing that. Some of us had to be first across the beach and take all the bullets. But I like that we're having that civil war. It's not new, you know, as you think about it back in the back in the day, Buckley versus the the Birch Society. It's similar. It's it's grievance politics, it's populist politics, it's not conservative politics, and we need to root it out. At least I love that we're having that that battle. It's a battle against the influencers that are pay-to-play. It's a battle against the companies they use. Cutouts. It's also against the podcast grift, too. People getting their news from this stuff, and it's it's I'm glad we're people like it. So about integrity, isn't it? You lost your job because you wouldn't say the 2020 election. Right? I mean, I know. And this goes back to the podcast grift and like the social media grift. People were going into that voting booth thinking I was worth millions of dollars from insider trading. It was wild. People people were getting Democrats spent about almost a million dollars on attack ads on me. But you said the 2020 election. I mean I did say that. You said that 2020 election was legitimate. Yeah. Of course I said that. Okay, but that didn't take about my election. No, I know. I know you're not going to try to get it right. Like I want I want people to know the truth about what happened. Not one person was going in there thinking you're not with Trump. Me and Trump have a great relationship. It had nothing to do with this. And it didn't that election had nothing to do with it. Also, I've had elections since then, remember? Like it just hasn't that wasn't a factor. Trump didn't come after you for that. Truth teller. When has Trump made it a secret of Congressman he doesn't like? Does he when does he keep that a secret? No. If he doesn't like you, you know it. So yeah, we have that it just didn't come up. I mean, I'm in a unique position because my name is Clickbait. And it it and and and I and I fight back, right? People make up crap about me and I might tweet back at them. You know? And I might say the word fuck or something like that. And we don't like that. I'm like, I thought you said you didn't want politicians. I was an ACE a lot longer than I was a politician. You can't be a politician now without saying the word fuck. Well you know that's so It creates this cottage industry. It's a unique case, but I want people to know what actually happened. Okay. Senator Fetterman, men are nearly twice as likely as women to be living with their parents in the current financial climate. How do we help young men? Wow, twice as likely. Oh, right now I'm not really running for anything right now. And I'm but I'm just saying, but um not you know with what exactly I mean. I mean men are I mean we hear this all the time that young men are in crisis, that that women are doing better in college. Well they're doing better. I mean well without without a doubt though, you know, the there's part of the Democratic Party became more and more anti-men, or describing that they were part of the problem, or they have toxic uh traits and for those things. And that's why there's been such a big, big migration away from the Democratic Party from young men. And that's that's really why one of the part why we lost in 2024. Now if you identify anyone as the problem or blame them for for some things. Uh then you're gonna lose. We forgot that we are in the business of addition, not subtraction. Subtraction, I mean. So we have figurative. There was a test around shift in 2024. I don't think that's a long term trend. I think it was a very short term generational shift that we're experiencing within the Democratic Party. Overall, look, I've been a part-time college professor for 33 years. There is something going on with young men in our country. They're reticent, many of them are holding back, and we need to address that. But at the same time, Justin Hold them back because sometimes I think they don't know their place anymore, and that's something that men need to decide and discuss. But as a woman. For years, decades, centuries, women had to be overconfident just to appear qualified. So I don't want men to think that the reason why young men are suffering is because some woman. No, young men are dealing with what young women had to deal with centuries ago. You'll find your place at the table. Come sit with me sometime. I'll get you some help. I'm gonna tell you something, you grew up in the Brazil household. My mama used to say Cheryl, Sheila Donna, Tay, Chet, Lisa, Demetri, Kevin Zone, get your asses up. That's the way to do it. And everybody had to get their ass up. My brothers had to get up and make up the bed. The sisters had to make up the bed. The brothers put out the trash. The sisters they washed. We didn't have one of these, but the boys do this and the girls do this. My daddy used to tell the girls, don't let no naked baby dolls in the house. Don't ask me why, but he didn't like naked baby dolls. And I told him, I don't know. Barbie had nothing gone. Ken had absolutely nothing going on, so it was fine with me. You mean they were not anatomically correct, no, I I'm smart. I'm with you. I'm not a fan of gentle parenting. I mean, Well right. You you're saying you didn't have gentle parenting, and and that's it seems to be more acceptable to say that in the black community than the white community, to be able to say, yes, my parents want me, and then that's okay, but when the white people say it, boy, they get pissed. Yeah, the white liberal community. No, that is the difference would be the the cult. There's a cultural difference. Absolutely. I grew up in a black conservative household. Seriously. We went to church. But we have the same opinions, it seems on on raising kids, so that's what I'm Well that means that we're colorblind, huh? Good for you. Yeah. I am going to have free body. I'm coming to your house and don't serve me nothing but stick. I'm with you. I don't want that bio shit. We've lost the vote. You talk to any of the traditional union members that are men. You know, they w we've lost them a long time ago. I've witnessed that migration away from the Democratic Party starting back in 2016. You know, we absolutely have a problem uh in that part of the demographic. So so we really have to find a way to bring them back and make better Better arguments without blaming them or d describing they are the problem. They say go big or go home. But now you can go big at home with the big arch on delivery. When you're hungry for something big, like really big, big arch for big McDonald's hunger. Order on the McDonald's app. Save from eleven a.m. charges and fees apply to delivery orders. Subject to availability. Price and participation may vary. And if I could wheel this over to the war, because it is somewhat related, because I hear a lot of things now. I know you're against the war. We have two people in. Oh, that war? Yeah, which one were you talking about? So many going on. I didn't know which one you were speaking. That's the main one that we're gonna have going on. Okay, because there are a lot of them, but let me just say this. You want me to speak? No, let him speak first and we'll tell you something. Well only because the uh Alatola was not a fan of us. No. The Iranian regime was not a fan of their neighbors, and so I'm I believe that the precise war that we're fighting now is one without a strategy and one without a end game and one that is costing us more than just American lives. Yeah, that may be true. Every every single Democrat has said we can't ever let Iran build a bomb. And then every single president, when Kamala Harris was running for president, she identified that as the top, top concern for her international. And then finally we did something about that, and I absolutely support that thing. And uh for for me, now I I think I think it should be controversial as a Democrat to say, look, we don't have to agree every aspect of Epic Fury, but I do think we should all agree that here we are at the cusp. Now hold them accountable and remind them they are the bad guys. We are not the bad guy, and I'm absolutely convinced, too, our the democratic contempt for Trump exceeds the concern of the anger about towards Iran. And that's why that's pushed us into, you know, we've lost the entire, and we it used to be standing for behind the military, regardless behind everything. That's become bipartisan. It's lost being bipartisan. Yeah, if I Disagree on whether it's Say every every president believes that Iran should not have a nuclear bomb. We don't want another North Korea. That is a strategic objective. Okay. We did Midnight Hammer. We bombed their nuclear facilities. What do they try to do? They keep trying to rebuild them. They rebuilt rebuilding and producing more and more missiles, so many more. This is why, by the way, we had to go in when we did, that we were not going to be able to start intercepting all of them. And so those strikes had to begin. And like what what strategy does everyone prefer? Boots on the ground? Is that what everybody wants? No. So because what their strategy is now is beat them into submission. You know, we're we don't live in the 1970s. Iran thinks we do. We live in a time when we have energy independence. So yeah, there's a cost to us, but it is not near what the what are the and the and the cost that imposed on the Iranian regime right now. And the blockade and its effectiveness has been massive as well. Iran is acting desperate. They just attacked UAE last night, they attacked a bunch of our destroyers. Nothing got through. Because we have already adapted to that drone warfare age. And the Iranians are now desperate. They're gonna run out of their ability to even store the oil that they're producing. That's gonna be a massive problem for them. So the blockade is a strategy. It's a strategy to get to the negotiating table and be reasonable. And what's reasonable is our demands. While we undertake this strategy, what happens is they're running out of jet fuel. We are? We're fine. Other countries are. That's their problem. We're not. We're not. Okay. Well, definitely. Fuel is fungible. As you know. We're down about 10 million barrels a day. Okay. Okay. 20 million a day come out of the Straits of Ormonds. We're down about 10 million because the people can adapt. Because we did the operation of Venezuela. We get more barrels out of that. Texas produces a lot more. We don't live in the 1970s anymore. Again, I I I know that other countries are are locking down in very serious ways. But it's not just it's just just the jet fuel. It's a lot of stuff around the world that this is affected by. And I don't know how we are actually going to get this straight average. I have an idea. We at the same time we want to make sure that the United States come out of this conflict with not only the ability to reopen the strait of Hamouse, but also the ability to rebuild the bases in the Middle East and to rebuild our alliances. We are losing the solidified the Gulf Arab states against Iran. If they become a nuclear state, they are untouchable in the region. And if if now they could think you can control the strait now, imagine if they are nuclear power, then they could really maintain that control. Absolutely. And every time someone does, we bomb it. I mean that's also an option. Right. So what we what we've done is decimated their conventional military, which is the outer ring of security for their nuclear program. We can pretend that like any kind of deal, you know, that you know, but it was unverifiable. It didn't count for military bases. You know, it would gave them money before we were able to verify anything. It wasn't a good deal to begin with. The only language these people speak is deterrence and strength because they speak the language of martyrdom. They will take gain like no one else. Yes, but it's not infinite. And what we're doing is never for the leadership. They're always for martyrship for others. They never have to do it. We've made them do it pretty recently. Yeah. We've changed the dynamic. Anyway, we've effectively countered with strategic deterrence and reestablish that deterrence. And yes, there's short term costs, but it's long-term stability. And we can't keep kicking the can down the road and impose longer term costs. Okay. Final question because this is This show airs on CNN as of uh a couple of years ago. What is the legacy of Ted Turner, who died this week? What has the impact been of the 24 new hour news cycle? Well he certainly was one of the giants of broadcasting because before Ted Turner and before, we did not have 24 hour news. Now, I mean, sometimes there isn't news for 24 hours. So every time I see breaking news. I'm a little skeptical. He might be hard to rub it. I think Mr. Turner, he was able to let us see the world. I mean, I I I was a fan of CNN even before I got hired by CNN. Me too. And I still love CNN. I mean, in the middle of the night, I love to watch CNN during my bathroom breaks. I think I know. Opinions have become actual real news. And we've lost the ability. Like, you know, like opinions are not news. Right. You know, and they are so many shitty ticks out there in the world now. talking about Tucker Carlson, any of these people. Now even Alex Jones now is back, you know, I have to see that asshole in my feed anymore. Because if they are criticizing if they are criticizing uh Trump, it's like now sometimes we in the Democrats say, well, maybe they have a point. You know, MTG crazy pants, why are we key hearing about her now? Yeah. So what I'm what I'm saying is it's like you know like focusing on real news and the real dynamic there. You know, I'm so tired of if op opinions have become news and now there's countless, countless ones. Right. And it's it's all become slot. And let me just make the point. This is this is a This is an entertainment show. It says real. Yes. But that's the problem more real than that other shit, let me tell you. I mean the problem is the American people need to learn to distinguish between opinion and this is an entertainment network and an entertainment show. It deals with with news as comedy fodder and also gives opinions. And by the way, they are realer than the other bullshit. And I am a fan of CNN, but I agree. It's too much opinion. I would rather just when if CNN was first out there, you could just always count it on to turn it on, and you would just get the story. Hit the news, get the news. That's what I will make money that way. We all know that. You're in the business. Well you won't make money that way. So that's the whose fault is that? News News organizations should be. News organizations shouldn't be making money to begin with. They didn't used to. They didn't used to have to. All right. Cat all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Maher every Friday night at 10, or watch him anytime on HBO On Demand. For more information, log on to HBO.com.