Debating AI Equity and Defense Spending

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All eight episodes now streaming, only on Disney plus Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late mononth series, Real Time with Bill Maul Senators in Cnican This of the Common Good Senator Chris Murphy and She served as U.S. Ambassador to the UN under President Obama Ambassador, Susan Rice, this year T right up front, this is be a short one because the nick game starts in twenty minutes We've waited since high school school What does the panel think of the recent shake upp at sixty minutes? I'm for it. G. No. ? What do you think of the shakeu up at sixty minutes? Big controversy. I mean, listen, you're watching a censorship state be created. Trump is using the powers that he has available as Pident of the United States to install only friendly ownership at the big media companies. He's using regulatory powers to punish people who oppose him. I guess it's fascinating to me All our big institutions have kind of let us down, right? from academia to the corporate world to big media. They've all folded in with him. And yet we're like five months away from an election And we might pull off a free and fair election. It's kind of astounding that the people of this country, even as the corruption of our democracy happens in media, in the corporate world, in and around Donald Trump's inner circle, the people have just decided they're hanging on to this democracy. That's a big charge that you just made. that sixty minutes itself And CBS itself is now completely Maga I don't see it as that way completely Maga. Well,'s of what you say. But he is clearly intent Oh yah on installing people who will tell his story O course and will keep his critics off the air. But let me ask you this question. I watch Sixty Minutes every week. I've had since I was a kid If I didn't hear all the buzz in the media, if I didn't read about it all the time, would I ever notice that it was any different I don't think I would Yeah but it's not would you it's not just sixty minutes. and part of it is I don't know what they choose You don't know what they choose not to air. That's true Part of what the allegation is is that they are killing stories that would be embarrassing for the president. So it's hard to know what you're missing in a censorship environment. But I've seen ones that are not very favorable to the president Yeah, That's what I'm saying. I don't know if I would have noticed any different if I hadn't been reading about it. Also, I just don't think being a sixty minutes correspondent is that hard. I don't feel like Scott Pelly I don't feel like Scott Pelley was a national treasure. Companies change hands all the time. I never liked them,' sorry, I just never did Companies change hands. peopleeople bring in their own people, their new ownership. You know, just because something changes doesn't mean I feel like we see everything through such a partisan lens. Oh my God, sixixty Mutes has a new cast. Sted Saturdayight Live Well it's not just it's not just sixty minutes, right? I'm chief late night critic. But CBS newews at six hundred thirty does sound and feel different. not just about sixty minutes. I feel it too. Yeah. Okay. Okay. so I'm part of it. I get it We're just talking about sixty minutes now. But yes, I agree. He's a danger to media. He's a danger to freedom of speech Just sixty minutes. I don't know I mean and I'm not going to make that decision until I see until I see a smoking gun, like something like, oh, wow You know, now we' we're you know, tick, tick tick, Candace Owens and Alex Jones on sixty minutes. Yeah but they listen they're always going to maintain a veneer of objectivity, right? The good ones who are trying to carefully transition a country from democracy to autocracy don't do it overnight, right? It is methodical that over time, you feel like you don't have the space to criticize. And if you are going to put forth the administration's propaganda, you get an elevated seat at the table. That doesn't just turn on a dime. that is a project that authoritarians or wh authoritarians When I see actual evidence of that, I'll be on your side What is your reaction to Bernie Sanders' plan for the public to own fifty percent of the equity of top AI companies?, speaking of AI. Wait a second Bernie Sanders has a plan. I'm just learning about this public own fifty percent of the top of the equity of top AI companies. Well, if AI iss going have all the money, I'm want a little pece This is an interesting issue. Apparently, Sam Altman has proposed an idea to the administration that they take an equity share in the large AI companies. Stange You had Vice President Penceon earlier talking about how it's the antithesis of conservatism. for the government to be taking stakes in companies, which they are rare earths the companies and the like. I mean, this is a brand new thing and Bernie didn't actually wasn't the first to get it done. Right. It was Donald Trump who's now taking huge stakes in major companies. I think it's Well among major politicians, the biggest crossover is between Trump voters and Bernie voters. There is a big cross over there. definitely had kind of the same issue certainly when Trump ran the first time And on that issue, there is enormous left right crossover. Yes, right. The belief that these AI companies have become too powerful, the belief that government has done nothing to protect people from AI and social media. There is absolutely a right left alignment on taking on these companies and protecting jobs. What are your thoughts on the one point five trillion dollars defense budget I tore them aew ass all about that way. The proroposed by the Trump administration, do we need a defense budget that big You know, I just said it about bit like it's buying fighter jets in the age of drones. I mean It's just ridiculous It's a crazy big proposal and we're not spending it the right way. We have a military that is not constructed for the world in which we're living And that's the big thing that has to change. the whole nature of our war fighting enterprise has to catch up to the technology of the day It's not free money. I mean, that's either borrowed money or that's money that could be going to building new schools or to helping people afford healthcare. It's just a choice you make Do you support Trump's efforts to make daylight savings permanent is my thing about him. He is a genius at picking up these little issues where he picks up like one percent of the voting, you know, And that adds up on election day. You know, no taxes on tips. Oh, great, you know like that I Nak Mills out of jail, you know, it just all these little things and this is the latest one. I had a special assistant when I was in the White House, wonderful guy who is very much a Democrat. But he probably is a single issue voter on this one issue day any time And he has probably cheer right as we speak. Yeah Is it okay if I don't care? It is absolutely okay. All right, I do care about the nexts. Thank you very much, everybody Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Mar every Friday night at ten or watch him anyime on HBO on deemand. For more information, log on to HbO. com