Childhood Playground Injuries and Lore

P'robably not the show, but it might be the show. I don't know. I don't care. As so many computer things to talk to you about I realize that this is your Feelings show so we don't do that here Butking about computers, I have feelings about computers. Oh, boy, have I got feelings about computers? I have so many questions for you, but I should just skip this, U something really weird just happened. where I leaned over to my left to plug in and charge something And I heard this noise that was very unfamiliar. It's the noise that I would describe as being like an air cleaner in like low mode You know, like ust just gonna It was kind of quiet. I was like That's weird. I don't think that's my refrigerator That's my nano leaf bulb And I just went when I lookged st short, I went to Activity Mitor and I could see that there was a big Python thing running at the top for a while And then I went and I was like, Hey, what is this thing? And I checked prompt. and it was saying, yeah, it's this transcription job So first of all, I just want to say it's interesting. first time that I'm aware of that I can recall becausecause you know, gettingady to record my friend John And I don't want to have the sound of a, you know, more noise than necessary. I just thought that was kind of funny. And Ielt I felt smart that I knew to do that. And then and then here's the part I don't know, this is I should have stopped I should never should have started this story. But then what I did was I said to my friend who's helping me with this Barge transcription process I said can you I sent some screenshots to verify what the other thing had said. said, you know, it looks like this can you tell that? I said what I say? I said,, can you ask the transcription job be nice for a couple hours while I record That's not that interesting. Except I chose those words carefully For like Arnold Robins reasons the word nice in ticks And you know what and knew what I meant. Doesn't that seem kind of neat I knew I wanted to nice it Just to be clear here, the noise you were hearing was the fans on your computer that you're not normally accustomed to hearing. Yes. But what kind of computer U a I can tell you exactly if you want, Mac stududio what M chip is in there? I knew this is when I'm typing now. Dcribe my StudiS specs It's early Okay, so so I bought it real early on. It was right around the time I first shaved my head. And I feel like I got a nice one Maybe not as nice as the kind of nice you nice. Now see that's a different kind of nice title I't know Stalman would agree with that U but it it was a unix like way to get a computer. It's looking it up right now. How many let's go to the thing Now, there's a lot of stuff that used to be easier. E about this Mac. It's right there at the top John mu. I'm sorry, I apologize. Could you shut your wholeore mouth Next studio twenty twenty two, Chip And one ultra, sixty four gigs Oh, that is fancy, but yeah the M one generation is the one that had the noisy fans. Well, you know, it's supposedly they fixed in the M two and later Okay Well, I mean Unsurprisingly, this thing has been wonderful for me And, you know, It's the first Mac I think I can say this honestly apart from having the odd Mac Mini from time to time, quote unquote, Mac Mini, from time to time. This is the first mac I've ever used every single day that I don't see Like it's it's I got him I got one of those And one of those companies run by two white guys that we like. I bought the stand that they make for under the desk for holding that in particular. And it's where mine is too because it was the fam was too noisy especially when you're doing building or I, it's my wife' computer technically, but it was too noisy for me.'s the one the photos phos Yeah Well, now, the photos are on all the computers. You' get high Res now. Yeah, yeah. So so this is that thing where I pretend it's not the show, but it is the show I was I'moo looking so forward to hearing you talk about so many things about yesterday U and I'm only up to AI password changing right now. But one is I'm glad you guys hit at the very top. wasn't it kind of cool? I'm saying I know you said this on your program It was pretty cool that however many takes they did I saw Irock And I appreciated they let it takeake as long as it takes for Sira to do I thought that was cool. And I got to say, buil my credibility You said that on your p The ey lines, That was the part I was getting at The eyeelines, man. they did the eyelines well. It be a be they were watching their phone. Let beat up watch man on top of it. Wh's the hat Where are the hat the? I said to it I don't know. I don't know. Maybe the camera's in the hat I said, can you ask the transcription job to be nice for a couple hours while I record. And I bought some nuts for your transcript from Job On my face, it's called Fortnite My culture is not your costume. When I put my testicles on someone's face, it's because of my great elders because of Shinto Hey everybody And so but then here's what it says. So I don't know what I'm talking about You know, and that Arnold Robins book was my toilet book for a long time. and I read a bunch of stuff, you know I read some stuff. I mean, I really, really looked into what LS does I can do that now But for ten years, I read this one un Um And here's what it said. It said it said it's done. the transcription job parent and it's current worker is at it's at nice nineteen title backackground eo priority. And then it getives some actually pretty good explanation. d d d likeike be careful, caveat suspending it outright would trip its own ninety minute time off. What's nice nineteen? what does that mean It's at a level? That's like a level from one to end I recall looking into this way back in the day of how then MacOS ten handled the NIC command, which is the Unix command for changing process priority The command has existed forever on lots of unich systems, but What it actually does varies widely and I don't recall I I totally you know what? I totally believe that. Be it would have to. It would have to because MacOS ten has a un like system can run on so it's not Windows, but a unix like system can run on so many different kinds of things. And like that like because the Mac is running the mock micro kernel underneath the BSD layer and like it has to support all the APIs and the Nice command probably is structured similar to the other ones, but what actually what it actually does when you run it, anyway, I'm sure it eventually does the thing more or less what you wanted to do, but I seem to recall that the There are like more native ways to effffect priority on the Mac and it's not the same as other un systems, but the Nice commommand probably still more oress does what you want. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can tell me did the fans get quieter Well, maybe it didn't do anything. Listen. A thing you learn in life, young people, and that's whatever. I didn't listen to old people either. But a thing you learn in life is it just because you you lost doesn't mean you're a loser Oh spepeaking of things that are running, I was downloading WWC sessions all day and I was like, I hope this finishes before I podcast, but it was' finished, but guess what it just finished. Amazing timing U So this is like beyond state of the Union, like the breakout Yeah like web it does them it does them from the streams. It's basically doing the same thing as like YouTube download or sure or whatever, but but it's a command line thing. Yeah Yeah, yeah U ten branches merged and pushed. and this is also using in the new modbel s I'm using double because what I'm doing now. First of all, it's important to understand I spend a very easy to understand amount of money every month on this product And what I can tell you that based on information sixty dollars of that every month goes to talking about trying to improve this thing Six out of every ten dollars that I spend I have China I have the behavior, A. It's all there when it eventually apologizes for things it can't fix Beuse you understand what it does is it eventually goes oh, I see. I screwed up I shouldn't have been an arrogant dick I shouldn't I shouldn't have asked if I could surface where it lands. I shouldn't have done a I should have listen to what you said Here's what happened. I stepped on my own dick with a ton of instructions And I had instructions on instructions and it couldn't even it was disallowing certain kinds of functionality just because I asked it to talk like an adult Anway go ahe Yeah, it's been a big computer week for me too. I really wanted to have some of my. You have so much to think about right now Not for the reasons you would think though. I had aunch I was doing a bunch of app work on one of my apps. I'm like, I need to get this done before WWC because it wants WWC C I was getting I was getting test flight updates, I think at one point a couple days ago I was getting them three, four, five times a day Yeah and that's that's the app. I hoped I wanted to get out before WWWC, but then it was like right up to the edge. I'm like, well, I can't do it now because what if I release it and something goes wrong and then I have to do WWC podcast? Ill wait after. But now I just kind of mired like it's a big change. I'm going to bump the version number up. I'm doing a lot of stuff in there and I just want to get it done so I can like have it out into the world, but it's always it's always just like one more little thing. like, a because like when you change stuff and you're always scared like, well, it was working before. Well and you know, God bless you guys. I use apps that all you guys make and I use all the apps you guys make Um, But like it's almost like the three bears in some ways where it's like, I really I I have to be honest. I've told Casey this privately. This the Casey's callist app is a lot better than I ever would have expected it to be It gives me value in ways that I didn't anticipate, and I think he was prescient in realizing how to build that out I'd like see more heights in there He hasn' taken it out. that's not a problem. He's the baby bear You know Marco, who has this very popular app that I happen to use and love for listening to podcasts, but it's not like And JP Morgan's going to stop functioning if something goes wrong with overcast you you're, I don't know if you are the father bear, the third pig or the big bad wolf you have an app where the credibility of what your' app do is front and center And the clarity about what your app can, will and must do is also front and center. Am I getting this right It's like if your app does something you' intentionally doing a front and center pun I know, it was funny though, I was looking at that right over. I have I have to relaunch it sometimes. That. It leaked into your brain and came out your mouth. You looked into my brain And but yours I was I never forget it. forget. I was taking your dump and trying to give you a free promotion. Sorry Jim. Yeah, know like when I was working your app your app, you do such a good job of saying, okay here's the I'm sorry. I want I'm trying to pay you a goddamn compliment you monster, which is that It is a great app. It's really it's fun to use. It's one of those apps like Daisy Disk. that does a neat thing and I like using it. I don't mind using it. like Disc Warrior, I was never in a great mood when I opened Disk Warrior. I didn't use to open Disc Warrior because I was having a good day. Let's leave it at that. And as good as that app was and as many times as it saved as much of my bacon as it could because it was the best I still was never happy using it. It's like talking to customer service. It's never because things are you're not there to like find the right person to compliment But with your app, like I think you've done such a good job, like I said at all the things of like, hey, look If you w want to know how this works and what it does, like here's all of this.ere's what this won't do. And again, like your friend Marco, I think you're pretty upf front about going like, don't expect it to do this. this is not what it does. It does this But to show the value of your app, you have to do something nearly impossible which is the show that I'm not I can't put it in the way that you would put it. But if you had a marketing person and you were about to, as it turns out, correct them, I bet the thing you correct them was where they could say, I can get you back half of the space on some of the stuff on your drive without missing anything And they would go, what are you going to delete half my files? And you're like, no That's what makes this app neat It's an interesting concept. It's hard to explain If somebody I bet if somebody could do it with prrompt, they it, they'd already be doing it on their own or if they could write it in Bash, they'd already be doing this on their own. You totally can. There's you can find too to it up. Like I mean, I've learned there's all kinds of things I could be doing without a GUy And I don't prefer it. But I guess I just wanted to say, pay you the compliment of saying a, the compliment, which is that I think you do a really good job of If you marketing sounds like a callalo way to put it, but describing the value proposition of what you're doing and the Everything that you have done as the developer. They don't need to know you. They don't need to know this show or hypercritical. But they can tell though is that you sweat that stuff But then at the session and B, Yeah, but what if there's some W stinker somewhere in that first beta. What if there's some little stinker in there that even just causes a weird log file You wouldn't want nerds seeing a weird law. You know what I mean? Isn't that kind of? tellell me about your thinking on that Well, like I said, when I was working on this major version, someone I don't know if you saw these two. Did we say what the app is called, John? Yeah it It's called Hypersace.'ll put a link in the show notes gets your disk space back without asking you to delete any files. And if you're aata hoarder, like me, that is attractive. It' also it does all the work and there is literally no difference except you get space backack. That's That's the part that's so canny about it is it would be like, I think it tells you one time I still see this fell on the internet and like I'm lot. Jason Santa Maria And there was a sync problem with me. com one time where every time it synced, it added another Santa. his name until Jason Santa Maria. Hi Jason, I don't think he's a listener. Until Jason Santa Maria's name became Jason Santa Santa Santa Santa Santa Santa like forty eight Santaas Maria And each time I did it, it would increment the number of Marinas had a nice website. He had a beautiful website. Oh, that guy I have a beautiful photo of him inew Zealand Um The thing is you say something, so what's the trick? How will I know that's Jason Santa Maria? And you're like, well, actually to use a term my LLM and I are talking about right now, It's actually a form of subtraction Instead of trying to add things to improve this, we're gonna remove things to improve this. And in his case, we actually get closer to what his real name is by removing all of this stuff That's not his name. even though it's in that field It's just that for some reason, your computer thinks that's his name, but it's not. It's just what's in the field And that's kind of on it's not the same thing, but it sounds analogous to what your app does Yeah I just went went into to his website're so good at marketing Everybody I work with this It' so good at marketing. It still looks nice Yeah, me So like I said when I was working on the app, someone tuded at me, Hey, I'm about to use your app. And it tells me that I can save like three point something terabytes. because they had just done the scan part and they said, I'm about to hit reclaim You better you this better be right Yeah. And when you see something like that, you're like Well, you know He's not the record holder. I think the record holder, I forget what the record holder I should look at him Forgive me, I don't know. It doesn't do mounted volumes, does it Oh it won't do things It seems like it won't do things outside my home folder and I't know, but I'm wondering could it be something where you like Iicecuzy or whatever? Could you bring up a synology and have it do that? You could, yeah, you totally could. Well, not a synology because it's not APFS. You need to APFS. But like if you brought up a little Samsung drive. But you know and that's what this person was doing. Yeah the record is fifteen terabytes Soone someone to reclaim fifteen terabytes from inuna I know it doesn't matter, but how big was the drive I have no idea. fifteen teraby fifteen terabytes Yeah They have one they have one disk One volume, oneous volume in which they reclaimed fifteen terabytes without deleting a sing. Hachi, Machi But this person was about to do three in change, three and change terabytes and I was in the middle of this update and it just like was like a hot. I about that got yourent? You know, what's the funny thing they say? I think this is silly and overused and maybe approaching stupid But there's that same thing that people say in movies where they go, You know, it's better ask to ask forgiveness than permission. And I'll tell you them one way I think that is true is that If you're from Ohio Or more importantly, if you're from Cincinnati, you get in the habit of talking to people like you're a problem. And like you've just always done something. And there are some kinds of things where you don't need to ask permission about things. And in fact, when you ask permission about things, it just makes you seem weird and suspicious Or at least like you have a guilty conscience I'm just saying that's somewhat analogous here where Again, like an LM or like me because I'm from Cincinnati. You say to me like If fire on the other end of that if are you and that person goes, okay, I'm about to go fire this level first of all, with all respect to your user That is the kind of dingling who says crap like that and then is it kind of a little bitch about it. And okay, whatever, but not necessarily, but the person was being friendly. And way I'm just they sent a screenshot and then the screenshot, it showed how long the scan had taken. Yeah to get that. Dedication. I believe, yeah, to say that, hey, I have found three terabytes of stuff that I can reclaim for you I think it said that it had taken fifty four hours. Really Yeah wow He was asking. And he was asking if I run the reclaim, how long is that going to take? And I was like, I don't know, man You should ask your mom, mayaybe she's a math teacher. It depends on the size of the files and stuff, But the point is like ye, and you write a program, you're like, you know, because Apple sends you crash reports and I'm like, I get zero crash reports from my app now. I've like eliminated every single crash, but you' still you're like fifty four hours. And you're going to run it for potentially another fifty four hours and you're just like, boy, I hope my app works Right, R right, right, R right U No that's why I hope I don't screw up this big update that I'm doing. But I' I guess I'm Sam, sorry I was trying to be clever for our listeners. Hey everybody I wasm just trying to be amusing like I try to do. but When somebody I say when I say that about ask forgiveness rather than permission and why I think it's silly. But the truth is Don't you find that when somebody asks you permission for something You may think about it a little bit differently I think our relationship Privately, whatever, but like how we are. We don't tend to ask questions unless there's really in our relationship, I feel like, we don't tend to ask questions of each other unless there's a question we want an answer to We sound silly But like I'll bet a lot of y out there with jobs or live in England Ask a lot of things as a question that are really an assertion which is something like like like instead of saying like You know Is it okay if I update to file. You just go like I'm going to update fu file or better still, like I have updated fu file. If I ask you about that, it seems like I'm concerned about it. Anyways, I'm just saying, if I were a developer of an app like yours or really probably any developer, and you get those kinds of messages I don't have the constitution for that. because then I would be really full of self doubt and I would be tempted to write back to that person who I just want to be clear is almost definitely not a little bitch But when you write back to that person You would say to them, You could say to them, All right, well, let me know how it goes. Hoay, thumbs up emoji They didn't tell me how it go alth, maybe it hasn't been fifty four hours yet. I would tempted to say, Well, did you really check all the stuff and? Like, I would be like again, it would be like somebody asking me permission where I would have to go like, oh, is there something I should be I'm thinking about But you're not like that because you're thorough Yeah. and well the other thing is the version of the app they're using. I know it has bugs in it because I just fix them locally. And so I want to get the bug fixes out, but I also want the bug fixes not to cause other bugs. So it's this whole, you know anyway, WWC came and steam rolled over everything because now there's yeah a million things then I did a three hour podcast and blah blah Thank you thank you for your work. Hey everybody, It'sreoncilable differences And this is a a program where John Sercusa and I visit with each other. Th are two hundred eighty ninth episode, I think that was I that was my PO box number at newew College And I have the door. I stole the door of that. so I have it here. I should look at it. I think I was box two eight You don't have a YouTbe sticker on my PO box. You's see my PO box I don't think so. I'll send a TS guy PO Um Anyways, it's Johns program. It's episode two hundred eighty nine And if you'd like to help support the show or if you'd like to support the show put it assertively. it's a question. It's an assertion get to really. FM slash RD slash join and we'd love to have your support. And in any case, we appreciate everybody listening. as is our habit We begin with follow ups This first one is from Antonio Salgado says I was listening to episode two hundred eighty seven Died by Robots in particular, the story of John accidentally killing the player, they were trying to help those's in the game marathon This brought up a painful memory I have of playing Red Dead and Redemption too for the first time. Red Dead and Redemption is a franchise where you're playing like Wester in the old Wests says when I came across a dog, I knelt down to pet him But instead I shot him As if that wasn't exactly But exactly like you, right? Same sameame situation. As if that wasn't bad enough. the shot didn't kill him. So he limped away wailing in pain. I had to chase him down and end his suffering Then I had to restart the game from a save point, so I didn't have to have that event exist in the world You know what they should make a video game of they should make a video game of this book by Bessel Vander Kol called The Body Keps the score They should make The video game of that help you understand why it is that sometimes you need to just skip over your save and go right back to just throwing the game at So I love the instinct here. It's like, oh no, I did a terrible thing. the instinct is, but I can't I can't let the dog suffer. so I got to put him down like old yellow, right? So he chases after the dog and puts the dog down. But then he looks he looks at himself and looks at the world and says I cannot exist in the world in which I accidentally shot a dog and then chased it down so I could put it out of its misery. So it's like history eraser button, rewind, go back to the save where none of that ever happens Okay, and if this were the video game and I were Dr. Bessel Vanderkok I assume virtually, I would say to you, I probably should not try to do a Dutch accent, should I I don't even know what a Dutch accent is. Matt Damon says, if you speak Africans, it's basically you say everything like normal English except you pronounce it the opposite way to what Americans do ly upside down way. But it's basically sound like a boond villain or somebody dubbing a boond villain Um Like we're at Coldfinger, you know? Van Van Wick or whatever. Anyways, u I sent you my door Uh Bessel Vaner Kolk would appear in the video game, I assume virtually at this point and he would say to you and he says the part and I'm not to do I'm not going to do the voice It'd say to you, but then on top of it all thing that's most enduring is how bad you feel about when you covered it up They did it and that was bad M, Right. That usually happens in the sacracy. It's not even really a cover. It's more of trying to remedy because you don't want the dog to be suffering. But then you realize the remedy didn't actually like just doesn't make you feel un. Okay now if the Budda joined if the Buddha joined at this point, I assume virtually. He joined he said, he said, Namaste, Dr. Vander Kolch And he wouldn't do the voice either because he's chill about that He's under the darmitry or whatever the hell And anyway, at that point, the Buddha will come in say he say, John, are you familiar with the idea of the second era one arrow that somebody shoots into us and then there's the second arrow that we keep shooting into ourself. Bessel Vanerkoke would say, it's my video game And then at that point now is it's called a live service game Oh yeah, so the new season of Marathon came out and the final expansion of Destiny and I haven't really had time to do any one of them because You've been so busy Oh my gosh. We're not talking about video games this one, but I'm just saying a lot of stuff is happening I feel so bad for Tommy's name. He had a cool name. What's his name again Antonio Dgado? Antonio I Sal Gado. Salgado Um Antonio Oliccianto Muco, that sucks and you flew by it because I was interrupting you, but like not only did did my guy shoot a dog but he did it while trying to do something that is No Wh' trying to pet the dog, but press at least it's at least orth on a. It's atast orthogonal two petting a dog title. Right,. It's not But I'm saying the whole like, well, first of all, I just wanted to say I know once again, it's like John Mulaney's bit about the guy who built a gazebo during the Civil War. Like once again, I'm sorry for all the dead, but can I show you gazebo Um, you know, you're like, okay, well, I know at this point, everything I say is going to sound very Tiger Woods becausecause I'm going to becomeing in and I'm going to be going, you know what? actually, not only do I love dogs And listen, I'm very sorry that I shot a dog. But just want you understand, I was trying to pet the dog in a video game way, I assume virtually. I was trying to pet the dog. And that's when something something terrible happens That's kind of, if you think about it, a video game version of blaming the dog, except in this case, it's a person. that is a human involved dogging Put a link the show out so theikipediaage for Can you Pet the dog, which started as a Twitter account and now as a blue sky account that just chronicles for each game, answers that very important question. Hey for game XY Z Can you pet the dog? Beuse a lot games dogs. N not every game lets you pet. T they extend it? likeike for example, I know does the dog die And does the Dog Die and P T are two that like got way beyond their original remit in sometimes interesting and hilarious ways. Like, o, you don't want to see this. It involves the destruction of plastic in Cleveland in the eighties. And you're like, oh, that seems very specific, but Be sure to let my kids know Right. But used time was it was wasn't it just a wire end Like like in, like what's a famous one? What's a famous one where you get to pet the? I mean, so many games let you do it now partially because this account became popular on Twitter. But that's why'm I'm asking you at the time before somebody thought to make this into a Twitter account? I don't know what the first game was. I think a lot of games through the history g't much bet them and a lot of didn't much you bet them, but I think the percentage has gone up much higher since the popularization of this account. I think the Twitter account was many years ago. Well, I mean, this is it kind of like making your It' kind of like trying to make your bar or restaurant Instagram friendly We were like, okay. Right, you know, like I thought I was here. I thought I went to video game school so I could make make a way to like, you know, shoot Asian people loud. And no, but now now they're telling me I've got to add a dog to pet. And you'd be like, okay, as long as I get to keep shooting Asian people loud. Well, tech wise, especially early in the development of video games, it was actually fairly hard to get one character to interact with another physically. Yes, becausecause the way the character wasless unless it was unless you d unless you um Dragons lered it and just like cut to Yeah. it was like pre rendered, sure, but if you if you like want to like pet the dog pet the dog on the neck. Uh pet you, give it scrches on the haunch scritches on the Hunches title And you would get maybe different reactions because I don't know if you know this, John. Some dogs and definitely almost all cats don't like being rubbed certain ways. Some cats pretend to like being rubbed on the tummy before they attack you, but no cats really No because cats know that that's a sign of submission and then they get relaxed and they're like women. Th then they realize they have to fight back And I say good for them But it's going to be crazy. It's going to be a crazy time And the final one is can you get me off the CR AI waitlist Is there any way you you can talk? I't I haven't even signed up. It's not related to indexing guys. I checked. shouldould I get signed up? would know get your name? I don't know if I can get signed up. Well why You found you don't work I guess the M one does it, but it just has the crappy m. MyiP, my iPad laughed, my old iPad Yeah. My iPad P that was so proficient in its day And I hardly even touch anymore is my is definitely like my it's my sin eater, you know, where I put whatever. U but no, it can't itn't I'm not I'm not anywhere near the level of Make a very slow voice that's very excited. I agree with you. I love to hear that too. U I can't do that on my phone. My phone is.'s very expressive, not excited. But because on my phone's a' too love. what called mister Burns when he takes all the drugs. I love you. when he's like or pray for Mjo. Yeah. But I think my phone's already a year too old for that feature you guys talked about. The neat looking new feature where you get to They love their sliders U twoo sliders, one for speed, one for. Wow, cool. Welcome to twenty ten. You can have the speed, the voice, the speed and what was the excitability What was the other one? What was the bottom one Expressivity. Expressivity Yeah. I'm not sure if that's a word, but there you have it It we'll surface that sliders, by the way, I did look up with, you know, the liquid glass slider. Yeah. I did it on three devices and I never saw a difference anytime. Well, I mean, if you ever if you ever like reduced transparency on already, I'm not sure I do. Okay, okay. well and that was that that radio was ticked. So that I might hardly see anything with my vision. Right. I might override that, but I must been pretty subtle because I didn didt notice any difference. at first I thought Oh just go all the way to the right and act like it's the nineties But then I was like, h, but like I should have enough there that I can remember that this is a thing Well, like I said, in ATP, once I saw that slider, I'm like, okay I'm gonna install MacOS, I'm going to find that slider and I'm going to do I'm going to check to see if it's like key repeat rate because you know the keypeat rate, you can crank that up. You're like I really want to hold You know what you do you go from tortoise, you go from tortoise tortisees. Yeah. R. but it's a slider but you're like the highest you can make that slider go is often still too slow for me.ike if I hold down the T key, you want to see those te really faster Oh so so amount of time so amount of time before it starts typing fast. So let know like how fast how fast the te start coming out before let's be let's be idiots about it. How long to go from? I want this you to be an oom lout. to make sixty Us. Exactly. And so the highest value you can put that slider is still pretty slow because they don't want someone to like lean on the key and produce like a million letters, right? Right. So But what most what you can do though is just, you know, do a peList thing and say, well, it's currently set to you know, one point seven for you. Yeah, I'll change it to three. Now it won' look any different in the slider. The slider will still slow just be maxed out on the far right side but underneath the covers instead of it being one point seven, which the highest the slider goes, it'll be I betch a cocktail will let you do that. Well. So I looked at the Lu glass slider. and unfortunately, the Lu glass slider in MagS twenty seven beta one It goes from zero on the left to one on the right. and if you set it to any if you set it you can have it in any color you want as long as it's one. Yeah. And if you set it to any value higher than one, it doesn't care. Makes no difference. Set it to one, nine, nine hundred, a thousand, it doesn't matter. So you get from zero to one and that's all you get. Okay. ye, it's shipped, you know Yeah mean, you get got every value in between. You can get. point seven five, you can get z point two, but the point is you can. I'm sorry, I'm making a denominator error. I assumed there was from zero of one to one of No I thought it I thought it was I thought it was a binary. But yeah, but the point is you can't make it go higher than one. So you can't make But what if one's a But if one is And you can set it to a hundred, but it looks exactly the same as one. I'm sorry I'm putting this poorly and it's because I'm stup When do you show me a thing that says, if if you at first instead of showing it to me visually, you said to me, here's a radio button, but I want to call it a switch, but I guess properly let's call it a slider. Like you know, there's sliders everywhere that have hardly any gradations in all kinds of apps. There's sliders everywhere that basically have Usually five, sometimes four, occasionally three and then it snaps to whichever one you're closest to, right? So if you go from three of three, to one and a half of three or one point four of three, it'll snap to a you know You know what I'm saying? And it's just what I'm asking then is so but is it zero versus one as in binary Os zero's every value between zero and one. Well, then one's the highest. Every value that's able to be represented by IAE seven hundred eighty, whatever it is. Oh. You can have a go eleven Hey, thank you so much to Antonio. and listen, check out that book. I literally sent it to someone and arrived for overnight delivery two days ago. I sent it to someone And the body K keeps the score by Bessel Vaner Kol. And Antonio, I know you're going to look down your nose at this and that's that's okay. You should read that book because of what you're going through with that dog Imagine how the dog feels It doesnn't get therol to respawn, Jeremy, You know what I mean I trp beliease seven hundred and fifty four. Julie Evans has a good wizard zene on it. Both will be linked in the show notes. Yeah. learn something. Who is you never learned about floating Po on computers? Oh man, FPU. I remember that on my quadra. What is it Wizard scores W' wizard Zes? Oh, this is that woman you like to mix the things. I want to buy that but I don't know what it iset. I understand that. I'm telling you, you've linked to it before. I go there. I want to buy it. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do with it yet. Give me an example. G me an example. Be specific. I'm upping your efforts. You read it and you learn stuff in comic form. I love the way you kept that, you know what? You kept it plain And you kept it brief 't You didn't go on and on. you didn't say surface and you didn't say land And you didn't and you didn't say you didn't say repeatedly in quote the source of truth As as I say to, I say, what do you mean when you say this What do you imagine it means when you say the source of truth Stop trying to talk. Like You know there's a way that That's a term of art in the industry. There's a lot of terms of art, John, but we don't need them if there's a planainer way to put it But there isn't for that That's why what term of arrts exist because they' are a succinct way to encapsulate a complicated concept that you do I really super do appreciate you taking the time to talk down like that to me. And because otherwise who would you need Don't I know it's for babies, but you need it. about your way out of that one? Yeah, you got You think Obama? think Obama ever says that to Michelle I know it's for babies, but I you think he ever says that I don't think he does. You know what? You know what it's fats you're I don't want to say you're an abuser, because I can't prove that L I don't have mechanical hooks for confusing that you are You a hunchback, G. Come on, you're killing me Yard sale You're You're gonna just drop all of them and you're just gonna like you're the one who starts the sentence by saying, I don't want to say you're an abuser, but No, sir, All thirteen I help youat picnic Anyways, hey everybody I't know if you're in a ab Doc, I just want to ride you. I just want you on all fours. I'm gonna be wearing a viking hat. and I just want to ride you around. Just two men, just two men so comfortable in their sexuality that they could just lay in each other. Tomerrera Oh Hey everybody. Wlcome back. and anyway, Antonio, picked that up. And if you want to hear me do the voice Um P put it on my Patreon which I asse I have Hey everybody, We have along with the pictures of your feet. Yeah, we got one more follow up item Oh man, did you ever watch? D you ever watch Bekind reewind You've obviously you've seen me linked to it. but like if you've seen that a link to something that seems completely uninteresting and irrelevant. is on the Value of the Dolls casting video, but She's just this very thoughtful YouTuber. I think you'd like You know, like you've checked out stuff I like all la trash theory, right? where like however you feel about what trash theory is covering? The way he covers it is Amazing precision that he put every frame of painting to some extent. But know the kinds of people where you were like, o man, you tried really hard And like the woman who does Be rewind, who is so smart and so subtle and sharp. I mean She doesn't just Sorry went over Just just drop in a bunch of like four K stock footage of airports. Like you see like she found and printed The original PVF or image from the New York Times from nineteen twenty and like highlighted it and here it is. Like a scholar Joan Crawford and Betty Davis And all these wonderful actresses, especially in the forties and fifties I don't know. You know what? Never mind. I'm not gonna say. Hey everybody. You should find things that you like in this life. Um, but it's you know what, never mind, neverever mind Do want start the show Yeah, we got the second follow button. This is from a Friday listener And so this was sent to whom was this sent? was this sent to you from Rich sorry, Richard Diaz And se whereere do you send this to? Okay, mess it on looks like And as you know, we have I don't like to call them bits It's their foseye There ways that we take everything we know, all the accumulated things that John allows me to think I've learned. And then we direct that into one area that where we could make an improvement in civilization if we're being honest. And so yes, yes, we notice things. We notice things like Things it took me too long to realize. We noticice things like stop blaming the dog U U what's another one? Wait, about which ones did I do? We did the dog We done I think this took me too long to realize What was the what's the other one we do Oh o o oh am I a weirdo because of this? What's that one called It's It's right in the question. Scret weird things people do We have another one, a third one Amongst amongst our tools, amongst our tools, surprise Allitiance to the Pope And u one of our other ones is u Secret weird things people do. Now guys, is there anything that y'all I've been watching a lot of letadterin videos. I'm sorry. Is there anybody out there where you go like, oh my gosh, I just realized I went wrong For exam No, no. it could be I thought about I interesteresting choice of example. Ask me how many minutes ago I thought about that. It's a very anadyine question. It's a very anandyine question. It's your Roman. As askk me how many Heido It's your Roman. And but but you go like, oh man, this is really weird. until I got a until I found a friend. I didn't know that everybody in else in the world thinks this thing or especially does everyone else in the world doesn't wipe with their elbow My mom used to watch this PBS show that had yoga on it Yoga was Yoga was kind of weirdly mainstreamed, kind of low key. in the eighties. I don't know have time for this, John. We' got a lot of stuff to talk about Um Let's see. So Richard Diaz says He might have found a new secret word thing people do. And you'll start noticing this people. Secret word things people do This is a pretty good one. I' Looking forward to discussing this one because Iment trry What is this new one So Richard says this might take the cake and seecret word things people do This is how Philadelphia Phillies player Bryce Harper applies toothpaste. Now right away I'm going to say that D teechnically, if I was to judge, is this a secret weird thing in this specific instance I'm probably going to say no because he's linking to a Reddit post that links to a TikTok or something. that was something that he apparently. It was No was't it wasn't like Chuck Berry. photographing a woman and taking a dome He put this up Bryce Harper is a, you know, professional athlete, famous person, who is intentionally filming himself and putting it on the internet in a way that makes me think This is not a secret weird thing, but is in fact a thing mayaybe it was in the past, but long ago people told him, boy, you do this thing weird. And so now he's like, hey everyveryone always tells me I do this thing weird. so I should make a little video of myself doing the weird thing and put it online so I can get engaged. Well, a cynical person would say it's kind of a bit But it's so clear that he's not like, really? Everyone doesn't use their elbow to wipe likeike that's the secret weird thing. I mean,s like it's like being friends with Alex Cox. The the first time that I learned that Alex Cox My friend, not the director. I don't know I don't know the director. Although there is currently a very good Alex Cox feature on Citeriaian Chann. not Brian Cox D Brian Cox is the worst student we've got. Alex has claimed for years to eat. many kinds of salty snacks using chopsticks And in particular to I guess this is a thing now.ee I don't know how much of Alex's life has actually happened or how many parts of it are just a result of filling out forms, but but Alex Alex eats popcorn with chopsticks And you learn something like that about a person and you think, I mean, like Alex doesn't seem upset about it. If anything. in fact, I would say they revel in that and but that probably was never little bit of a bit, little bit of a bit now because they see people eating popcorn all the time on all media and never see anyone If I were to go right now and wipe wrong just to get a laugh. there's a thing, you don't see other people wiping. So for all you know you're doing differently than them, but youuck Berry Chuck Berry did and that was a big part of the problem Yeah. Yeah Anyway, so here we go, Bryce Hopper. Anyway. H how he applies toothpaste do want to describe this is a lot. You can describe it, but I will say I think I've seen other seen I heard of other people doing this exact thing. So go ahead. What what happens this last? I mean, I'll take a cut at it and you can tell me if I'm wrong. Handsome guy looks like a hockey player kind of shot fromow I't have in front of me. Gy shot from below as he gets he's fixing to brush his teet. He's got a toothpaste. he's got his toothbrush And he I didn't have the sound on. This is just stupid internet. But it takes the cap off the toothpaste. I th thinkking might have taken like a little bit of a sip of water but he takes the cap off the toothpaste, he puts a little I don't know how much exactly, but it puts a certain amount of toothpaste into his mouth Nnees his mouth put the toothpaste ono the brush is Is that right? How does he get the toothpaste into his mouth Does't kind shoot a little bit? Doesn't he put it in the same way that hockey players do body armor, like shoot it and shoot it into their mouth Well, no, so like it's one of those screw tops stle tube an old style tube at whopace with a small hole in the top so he screws off the. I love I honor the old ways Yeah, he screws off the cap and then he puts the nozzle of the toothpaste tube Between his' you're talking about the screw nipple. Yeah. Bet his front teeth, his top and bottom front teeth. So he's basically biting on it. It's a strong And then he's while it's between his front teeth Yeah, he squeezes some out of the tube into his mouth. If It's not squeezing onto the brush, it squeezed And presumably you his tongue or something to like swipe it off because otherwise if you just, you know, whatever. See, I got the sense that he was and this is the part that I find most intriguing is that. I could see doing that just for a little bit of h I just want a little bit of a mint tree. You love the taste of to paste No, but I'm your mouth either way. You' very sensitive to the taste of toothpaste. No, what I'm saying is the same way that you might go like like a lady in a TV show, like if you just made brownies, you might get a little pinch. like imagine Miranda on sex in the cissity doing this before she chokes because she's a lone Like you get a little get pincer little like little little fingers and you go brownie need it before youat brownies. You're not having a brownie you're ha them And I could see him doing that. But then the part that I found intriguing and I should probably watch this more than once. I hate the internet. this is all terrible, but thank you for sending it. But then it doesn't take to a little bit of a Doesn't it look like a little sishy mixy It looks like he's doing. It looks like he's I mean, he talks into the camera once it's in his mouth So that Isn't this what heroin users do? Isn't this where sometimes you have at the blood? I think Neil Young addresses this in a song Milk Blood to keep from running out I've seen the needle and the damage done. Dinkas find that song Isn't it like that? Is he like doing an ad mixture? He say ad mixture because, you know, you can't just say mixture There's no centers anymore. There's only epicenters And also now in the future, every restaurant is taco Bell. I thought he was doing a little Why don't you call that? No he just tries to talk with it in his mouth and then he tries to realize think he's holding o, let me ask you this. let me ask you this, haveave you ever had a kind of aspirin adjacent analgesic called buufferin We're similar. Did you ever have anasty, let me ask you this, you ever have an aspir Have you ever had nasty non coded analgesics as a young person. Yeah yeah. I rememberember Okay, for me it was buffer. And we were a buufferriend family. I don't know why, but my family had buff friendriends. nastiest j TV adverising that's why Bufferin. Yes Well, my mom didn't love TV. She called it the idiot box. cord off it the umbilical and It was the nastiest jazz you've ever had in your mouth So but like you're like, okay and you're going,, I got to like take a buffer, I got take two buffer. And so the thing I still do sometimes, I'll put a little pill kind of between my lips or between my teeth while I go to grab a water Is it possible that what he's doing right here? Is he doing something similar to the bufferin bufferom protocol. where he's just takaking a little Like overstuffed pe size bit and holding it in place. You think he's not creating an ad mixture or epicenter? No it's on his tongue. It's on his tongue goes tongue. it goes, it goes screw nozzle through the tooth over the gums, over the gums look out A little bit of the tongue, here it comes And he holds it there, the little super pe. And then And then I, you know, I I feel like I might have hallucinated watching this video, but then how does he get it on Forgive forget my asking. He he just puts the brush in his mouth and starts brushing. P presumably his brush takes a detour to This important. This is important because like this would be a good like what you call a pub quiz where you say to somebody, what's weird about how Bright Stallas Howard puts toothpaste on his brush. And then people go the real heads would go, firstirst of all, you're talking about Ron Howard's daughter And that's not who that is. The bigger point is this guy who looks like a hockey player. What he's really doesn't never actually gets on the brush except having been on the tongue via the screw npple Right? He never actually like addresses the brush in the way most of us historically do. Well, maybe he shoves his brush right onto his tongue and onto the pile of toothpastes that's on his tongue I mean sorry I this I got distracted for just a second. justust thinking about what if it never goes on the brush per se What at the t in his mouth? Well, like yeah, like when I clean up my ice maker with, you know, hot vinegar You know, the point of the ice maker is not to hold hot vinegar. But the hot vinegar is what enables the ice maker to work That's what the Buddha would have said or possibly Kil Gabron. mayaybe he's in the game now, I assume virtually But somebody would come in and say like, hey, you know, there's lot ofuff that goes in a lot of places. Not everything that goes in your mouth is food I you should learn that by fifteen or sixteen, for sure. But in this case, this fell, Bryce Dallas Howard, he likes to go straight from the screw nipple right onto his tongue And then you starts brushing away. Do you think it's a bit I mean, I think he knows that it's weird, long ago He's learned that it's weird, that' why'silming himself doing it. so it doesn't qualif as a secre weird thing at this current moment. But if someone else is out there and they're also doing this and they see this video and they say, huh, why is everyone having a strong reaction to this? Isn't how everybody does it? It's a secret weird thing for them This is officially a critical turning point in the history of this program because the way that you answer this question It's going to be a decorous answer that I require But this is where I ask you the kind of question that tells you what kind of show you want this to be or what kind of show you think this should be Now we' the lined Sichigan I said this is quite a wind up, gone I willll kind all up A you know, if this is the show I tend to think of it as in my head We already had our stop We could just stop right there and go Now the question is, what kind of show do you think this is Be another kind of show, which is a totally fine kind of show that this can be, but a different kind of show than in my head is we now use this opportunity to say to one another Hey Joh How do you brush your teet? Here's the thing I would love to do either or both. Maybe it could be a choose your own reconcilable differences adventure And youd go to page thirty two and find out that John Un know, doest always wiping wrong I don't know. I haven't I haven't been I think we went to Boston in this summer, but I'm not This is the opportunity for you to say, what show do you want this to be? Do we do the hard cut right there? and now we're already we've gone past the guitar and now we're in a different section program, peopleeople will know You know, Jim knows, for God's sake, he's here listen to the whole thing. Or is this kind of show where we now do the incredibly content rich topic centric material where we it's not going not going as far as Do I wipe wrong But there's so much to talk about if we just take mininutes M to talk about how you brush your teeth In my experience, people love to argue about this the mist order order What I do wrong? What do What did I do wrong? mistake you made was believing that I am done talking about this video because I am not. And I will answer your question. I will I will answer your question. Okay, the Budda, the Buddha says to hold my beer But I have more to say about. The Buddha says I my beer because you know what, John, Syrcusa, you've just found a third path This is the third kind of show title John, that was pretty wild. video. It was kind of cool that our friend from Richard Diaz. how didd feel about the guy the way he was brhing his teh Ab just a video in general, in general. Yeah So I think when people see this, part of their strong reaction is No he's putting the toothpaste tube in his mouth, That's a toothpaste tube that might be shared by other people. Why are you putting your mouth on a shared? It's the domestic equivalent of double dipping, at least Never mind that maybe this is a private bathroom. he's the only one who uses it or whatever I don't know. that' That's you know, the first reaction. But then other people say, well, wait a second because When you put the toothpaste onto your toothbrush way that I think most people do it because it's a thing we see in all media. So again, this is not a secret thing where we don't never see anyone else do it. in all media, people thinkli unlike wiping or Menis, where it's all done your analogy Mency's are blue, according to commercials Yeah you might be surprised about that if you've only seen commercials but anyway Yeah, they should really prepare boys for that. And also it's not just y'all know, it's not a consistent h It's not in con. All All right, thank you, yes. It's all kinds of blue You're seeing C sels in. That's on criteria this month. M month, cllaudy blue. I think you could watch that Claudy blue So you squeeze it on, squeeze toothpe ono your toothbrush, but guess where your toothbrush been? Y toothbrush has been in your mouth. So you're taking the toothpasteube and you're squeezing toothpaste onto it Are you confident that you are able to sort of break off the extruded piece of toothpaste in such a way that no part of your mouth gome covered toothpaste comes in contact with the, you know, like that remains in the bit of toothpaste that's left in the tube. You know what I mean? Like do you got to I do. And like I so completely love where we're going. My only suggestion just to tell like I think you need to pick a lane on are we going to sweat the grossness if this is a shared part. I'm just saying I'm just sw the gross if it's a shared part goodood, but then that also gets us down the alley of well, should If you're going to be and I've had friends with aCD that I would love to describe to you. there the way that my friends with real OCD think is very different from the way that I think I had a friend When he would just he he he would just famously he would say things like If I'm like D driving my car I have my hands on the wheel and I' under if I touch if I touch my And then he would like very gently Iagine politity in mind Bically He would very gently bring up his hand and with his middle finger, he would put his hand near his eye respectful distance from him as I say. If I'm driving. And I touch my eye while I was driving. Everything that had been on the wheel So we agree that everything that had been on the wheel would now potentially be in my eye and be like, I don't know, Brad, That's like seems like kind of a long shot. And he go but follow me on this. He's like, because that means everything that has ever touched that wheel It's like, you know, you're kissing every person this person is kissed That's how some people think. Now now for me Put it on good, Bob's your uncle. I think for other people, you can make you pick any l you want, but I think there are going to be people out there who get fixated on the whole like, o, it's you need some kind of a containment facility and an airlock You shouldn't even be using the same tube. You might as well just be touching eyeballs and giving each other herpes Well, it's like the slider send a f liquid glass in that zero to one Yeah. The foundation of the theory is like we do know that germs can spread from one person to the other, but the question is is it the magical germ that everything that has ever touched a steering wheel over over the ten years this car has existed is still there and waiting to infect you? O is it the other end of the slider? people I just want to say there's people who think like that and even if they don't live like that There are people when you tell themem a funny internet anecde, they instantly become Brad They instantly become like the worst way they could picture this ever going is a way a lot of people on the other end is like, I don'tuse anybody John, do you remember do you wash your legs? Do you remember do you wash your? It's gott to be the dumbest thing that ever happened. And I bet there's relationships that were harmed by do you wash your legs ' it was so stupid So So there is the germ thing there. and I would say that most people are not so careful when they take the toothpace out of tube it onto their brush that they don't end up sort of pressing the brush into the hoth space tube. So it's not as if everyone's suoth space tube pristine if don't put it in their mouth. Although I will say putting it in your mouth probably gives it a little bigger dose of your germs than putting it on the toothbrush because whatever. okay. But the second thing. alsoso if I could say those are live germs, we call them in the industry. You're trying to give it a clean break. I understand that, but here's the problem. And I think Brad would be addressing this right now. Is hes th thinkking about a steing whe And and that would be like, okay, but like then should are you supposed to do? because apparently this is the lane we're chs I wouldn't have picked it but like are you supposed to do a swipe after you've like, okay, so let's say you put the toothpaste likely shown in a commercial. you get your peepsant or your whatever. You have your brush Beautiful My brush never look like that when I a kid. I think I used the same toothbrush for three years when I was a kid Eh And then you take this and you put a I remember hearing one time. that you're supposed to use lease Champoo conditioner should be the size of a dime dinner your meat serving should be the size of a deck of cards. And I remember hearing that when when you When shampoo you should use or like sorry, when you um Taste on a brush be approximately the size of a pe. These are a lot of terrible rules of thumb from the seventies. Not at all. the three ounces of protein is very useful. Three ounces is a deck of cards ery useful. John it's a heuristic It's a real thumb you might say. It's like a try or a nice Nice or a banner. Banner was one of my favorites. You know a banner you could have it print banners in the text yeah. Do you know not to change your prompt? I can help you change your prompt if you want to. No No, I don't need to. Would you like it to say what time it is or what I'm listening to from you? D deffinitely would not like to say that at all. But then there are going to be people because it's the internet and like this is how people are. Remember, wash your legs. There's going to be people who go like e ew once you've onnce you've We're gonna get to that this guy seems like kind of a performative weirdo, whatever, like welcome to high school But like he should When he's done, like first of all, obviously, please don't put community things in your mouth. Like if you're going to test the soup, use a spoon just for that and didn't melt do it again. Eespecially if the health the doctorors there. Do you think when put after you put do you think after you put a P or larger and it is a lot more that they would put in this peepsid ads or the what have you? Remember they're try to sell toothpast. So of course that was the size of a deck of cars. It's the amount of toothpaste they put on there. Exactly, right. Right. But after you do that, do you think Are you supposed to clean the Well, in the commercials, they always ended up essentially making a break in the continuous extruded tube. m littlem makes a sweet little taper tail. Exactly. so in that point, they're basically saying like, look, we've disconnected this tube. We've put a slice in this tube without the part that is the because it ever touch it theair you've generated an air gap Yeah, exactly. part no bristle of that toothbrush touched any part that is on the tube by the time were harmed. If you're very careful But people aren't careful, they shove the nozzle of the tube right into their brush bristles. But the second part of this is when he puts the stuff in his mouth, like you might say, well, it doesn't matter as long as toothpate is in your mouth, flloride is the active ingredient and the fluoride iss in his mouth. and so it's fine. It doesn't actually matter If it's on the brush or not the point is it's in mth and it's the same reason should' rse because you rinsing more the fluorid that. T space has more than fluorida tooothpaste has other things that are not active ingredients chemically, but that are physically active, like the mild abrasive they put in most toothpastes. Tell me about this. tellell me about this So like toothpastes are not entirely smooth. They have a little bit of grit in them to help. So when you're brushing,, the mechanical motion of the bristles shoving that grit against your teeth is going to break down some tar You know I think of I think of my not my scrub daddy, but like we do have, I don't love it, but like first of all, scrub daddy on its own, not the scrub Mommy. notot a fan Um, I like that it gets off when it's hot And a little bit all. Okay, okay, but like that's a kind of abrasion The reason a sponge like that works, We steel wool whatever you choose in your weird bespoke environment U that is in that case, the abrasion I don't know if this' exactly the right word the abrasion That' the right word. Yeahah. L like a Sotch bright. I don't know. we will allow a Scotch bright. like a blue You know, sponge on one side, scrubber on the other, but you know Classic, classic. That's where that abrasion is coming from. Your toothbrush is not abrasive toothbrush, is abrasive, but it's wet sanding. L you want to get a little gritty paste in there too to help I don't know't know about? How do you know what sand Well why would I not know about wet sanding? How'd you learn about wet sanding I've been watchingve watching I've been watching woodworking and home improvement shows on public television since I was a. Is there a chance that you've see more those than I've had hot meals, be honest Absolutely. Have you ever seen Norm do a wet sound sureure have. And u I take your point. Um So so my question is when he puts it on when he puts it on his tongue, you do have to I'm sorry I' John, what are the other things? What you got do It's probably taste things? There's probably like citric acid or something in there thativ it a taste. Oh ye, there's a bunch of crap that make a difference. I tell think the only thing that make a difference is the active ingredients. I feel like you're moving towards something science adjacent that's going to involve activation. Like we're high pH, a high pH saliva the fluoride. No, but what I'm asking is, does he ever get the toothpaste between his brush and the teeth where the abrasive part can do its job? Or is he just keeping on Oh Oh, John. Pint S Gryiffindor. Yes, becauseuse you're ' I guess I'm now I'm the wrong one. I did that What I assumed was at some point using his tongue, his gums or some combination. I assumed at some point that he that he would just kind of like nub a little bit onto the brush. Your question becomes, does he ever make a point making the toothbrush The agent getting toothpaste abrasively applied to teeth. Yeah. Or does the toothpaste spend the whole time on his tongue and never is never involved in the brush and teeth interface? Okay, this is why this particular the Buddhaist path, as you call it, is valuable. I never would have thought about that. See, I did that. I was the one who I made an ass out of me and the Buddha. Yeah. Now I finally like to answer your question, how I brush my teeth. Iush you give you an answer. Okay. this this I believe is a probably currently a truthful account of how I brush my teeth, which is Go into the bathroom, grab my toothbrush. I take our tube of toothpaste, which doesn't have a screw cap. It's got a flip cap these days and I squeeze some toothpaste ono the toothbrush. I don't care how much my toothbrush touches the toothothr is the toothbrush dryeret at this point, it's dry, but that's a good question. And what what will normally happen is I will do this. I'm describing my experience of it. And then once I have the toothpaste on the toothbrush I ask myself, Wait a second. Did I put my toothbrush under the faucet and get it wet before I put the toothpaste on? And I go, ah, either way, I might have done it, I might not have done it. I don't remember. But just to make sure, I'm going to put some water on the toothbrush. But I don't make the water go straight down onto the toothpaste I turn the toothbrush sideways and let the water go through the bristle sideways to get the bristles wet without washing the toothpaste off Probably about eighty percent of the time, once I do that, I realize, oh I did run it under the water before I put a toothpe on, I just forgot about it. Really that is my experience in brhing my teeth And then I put it my teh and brush. And usually I usually walk around while I do it. Are you satisfied with it as a process Yeah, I mean, getting older and not being able to remember whether I put it under the water before like I'm pretty sure I put it under the water before I put the superice on almost all the time. don't worry.'re we're going gonna put do that. We're going But not all the time. Okay. And so I'm obiously not all the time and that's really the first question. Are you ready to get some questions Okay. it seems H kind of unlike you to be wondering on the regg whether or not you ran it under the water Because the whole process of doing every single part of this is something God willing, we've all done so many times that haveed That's why because it's an autopilot and you're like didid I do it orr is it just, you know, likeike when you find your dug a plane you't realize' out there. And at least your wck in about yourself. Is it is that your normal way? Is is I grab the toothbrush. I grab the toothpaste, I turn on Cold water, I assume on the brush and then. toothpast said I don't want the toothpaste I don't want a dry toothbrush with toothpaste on it going into my. We'll getothbrush need to be in the water. It so Cld water or you know, room temperature, regular water, it's not hot water. It's regular water? No, definitely not.'s just it's the cold I'm going to the cold. Givem me a zero to one, going from P to full on peepsident tur How much how much toothbt paste are you putting on here U More than a pea, Maybe maybe I's say two peas. Okay, okay, I mean, not individual but like volume wise. Okay byy volum. You by volume. Sometimes I do less because we have this like we have this like prescription to its pace that has higher. Oh come on John, prescription We do We have prescription Oh it's not prescription, but it's like the dentist will sell you the special toothpaste. No I know. theyll give you some printouts. It has like more the fluoride in it than the stuff you can buy in the store, but then only can be sold to dentists It's It's got deepbiding agents. It's got agent. I know it's gotentic agentbiding. See the higher fluoride toothplaste pointointedly seems not to have any abrasives in it, which I find is weird. Like it doesn't have the grit, so it's very smooth. We're gonna test that. Yeah. and anyway, u that one I put lessons'm this got this is has got double the flluoride so I don't even find the Ts antifluoride Yeah, we saw the thing where he thinks F F fluoride is lowering your IQ, but he's Kind of not Yeah Yeah. Very impressive. cold water goes on that amount And it's a, you know what? stupid. dont I don't want to do this for too long. It's a manual toothbrush. Yes I have had several electric ones and we still do have somever. Okay. let' just let me just give this to you as an omnibus question that lets you give exactly the kind of answer you know I would Given everything that people could speculate about how you brush your teeth and what toothbrush you use for that I assume you use a toothbrush Alex doesn't understand this distinction. My friend, Alex that I do a podcast with And I was like, how do you use toothpaste? We literally talked about this last. And like like who doesn't use toothpaste? I'm like, first of all, I don't know like what people do. but I will tell you a couple things. One is there are people who do not use toothpaste B, they'll use baking soda, or they will use like a water pick. without toothpaste or with you know, maybe with toothpaste. But like I remember for a time. you remember like you wouldn't remember this. you're too young, but like sorry, that's sound a kind ofstand thing. I didn't mean it that way. but like There's always just been these trends in the seventies and eighties in particular. There was just water pick Oh, my wife still has water pick. That's still her primary. It's like I had one in the eighties Um you're not giving away my water pick Remember that? Becauseuse he sold the most PC's Lloyd Brauun I did a time before I did Armen Hammer toothpaste in the nineties like everybody. I tried using just baking powder. But then there were also people kind of just say late seventies, one of those things like the cabbage soup diet You know what I heard This is this is really the this is every time we talk about things like urban myths, I know they've probably always been around And this might be a cataract or some kind of a problem based on how old I am. but like I feel like the mid to late seventies Into the early eighties was a golden era BS Wisdom and reckons So like for example Actually, I went to fifth grade with these two awesome kids that were twins, a boy and a girl, super creepy, but really nice kids. Their dad worked at Whatever company it was that made Bublyo there' in Cincinnati. And we had heard that in bubble yum, we had heard it was made of spider eggs We had we had heard that Gene Simmons had had his tongue replaced with that of a cow. We had heard And I'm going to say this phonetically because I don't I'm going to say I'm going to say this phonetically. I don't think this happened, but I'm going to relay this story to you the way it was relayed to me in nineteen seventy eight. I heard that Rod u I heard that Rod Stuart, the singer, the Scottish singer I heard that he had five gallons of semen. pumped out of his stomach. That's the only one that made it to the East cooast. I hadn't heard the other two. Well but like did you also get the I mean, you appreciate every level of how I just did that Like you ever have a five gallon bucket? What he had that much jiz God, I've never made that much jes in my whole life That was what we'd say, and we say that over and over And then because again again, then the folk wisdom. And then just think oh, ha, ha haa, childildren are so silly. Okaykay, wine's good for you, wine's not good for you 's good for you. cooffee's not. Coffee and wine in the right amount with chocolate will give you a heart attack or save you from a heart attack, you guys know the turns out of all of these kinds of things. And there was a turns out in nineteen seventy eight My friend John's family had bought into which is we don't even have toothpaste in this And they were one of those like pepss, not pep stent, What was the green ones? U, the green one from the seventies Mh. But anyway, they got rid of the toothpaste, because you know what their dentist told them somethingomething John Syracusa related. The dentist told them You don't need any toothpaste at all. You just use a regular brush and water and you'll get more out of it he was the one dentist in the Fid to five dentist recommend. For the for for the patients who chew gida F four to five dentist recommend the toothpace. It says' the one for the patients who chew gum See, you gott to add the beauty part is the denominator ' they would say Four out of five, Dennis surveyed recommend tryed end. Patients who chew gum And so there's a lot of different ways you can do it. canan you give me a quick ruling on folk wisdom? Give me some folk wisdom from your formative years. Like when you're in fifth grade or whatever, it's hard to come up with any folk wisdom that don't don't be smart. Don't be smart. Don't be smart about it. but like tell me what was some of the BS you heard. I mean, it could even be stuff like there's a woman who lives in the woods over there that gives hand stuff Like, is there any weirdt ever we didn't have that one. Did you guys have any didid you guys have? We had Yeah a pens magazine in the woods, but those were G is forest porn Yeah, that wasn't that wasn't like a tall tale. I found them. They were there. I found I found an entire U really well, well loved issue of Cherry magazine. If y'all can look that up on the internet C H E RI The issues were very large. They were very you got a lot of pages for the amount that it cost. And in this case, it costs me walking into the forest Again, like like a Hans Christian Anderson man. Well here's here's I don't want to it fulkism, but here is a urban landgend from my childhood that I'm sure you've heard, but I think was more prevalent because of where I lived, which was if you drop a penny off the Empire state building, it'll go through someone's head when it lands on them And You would talk about this often enough. And yeah, absolutely. And who was accepted. Yeah, but like and just just to take that and turn it. Yeahah, but it could be the one tenth size Eiffel toower at King's Island I heard that if you drop a penny off of this You know what I heard I heard that if you drop a painting off of this this height It will go through someone's head anly to the ground, almost like you're putting it into a Gallgha machine. You know, if I can say no spoilers, kind of like the way they got Keith David in that Jordan Peel movie. Remember when the Nickel lands in his head kind of like Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like that movie was really based on that probably that urban legend, which is like, come on man. every when you get older, you realize that that's not true. Although we would take field trips to the Empire State Building for school and you know everyone's talking about. you got a penny he's going to do it. He's going to get aenny and some kid would get up the gut was it also of the certainty? And like we both we both observed tradition of that folk wisdom or that observation, which is the this is what will happen. It isn't that a penny will go somewhere, like land on an air conditioner or bounce off a window on the way. You know what I mean? is It also is that weird The first part of that that's weird is the certainty that this will go into someone's head, not their shoulder or the ground. It will go into their head D you hear about saving your fingernails. No You can save your fingernails, ladies who give L clippings you need? Yeah. Well, long ones and you can send them to a company and they'll give you money for your long nails Never heard that one. What is what's the basis of this? It is. It wasn't QTx or but it was some company in think you got the center of the poor people who have no fingernails? Yes, you know that because for one of a nail, the See, do you understand that? It's like saving your hair for the cancer kids? It is, it is. It's like saying, Jude. You know, I love their ads. D ever see that ad? My sister does that? D ever seeen that ads that Stehven and Mary were in, they were one of the commercials Steven and Mary who Hey everybody. Give me another one of yours from I want some real folksy long. I'm sure there's more I'm sure we share some. You like I'llast half of one and I keep going if you want. L But just start one and I'll see if I can finish it for you to show that we both share. Be careful when you're using a toilet seat because a public toilet. Be careful the toilet See I was going to go with you can get No Hmorrid from being able to it too.? No no, no, that's a good one too. But no's I'm going to doll dollars sign STI. So like herpes. Oh yeah, yeah, veneral disease from toilet seats, Yeah U and remind me and remind our more saliently, Hey everybody, remind our audience in your lore Okay, should we just commit to the format? Hey, John U neverever I if you're on a swing set Excuse me. If you're on a swing set at the public playground, around the bark as you'll N never flip over because what will happen when you flip over? Well, that's yours. I know because you' told me this one turned inside out, but I didn't have You become you become now Imet Finch Yeah. Now, we were constantly trying to get. You don't think you flip inside out. You don't turn inside. But there was there was no urban legend about what was bad happening. It was mostly just this will be the coolest thing ever when we got to try to do it. But I know it would be like can you imagine how epic like every neighborhood? every Oh man you know, I had a it's disppeared now because I'm fifty nine years of age But I have a scar on my leg because you know, I feel like every community, every group of kids, every everybody's got stories, right about the epic the epic somebody did Don't you have in your head whether you're proud of it or not. D't you're like, o man, that was pretty epic when that person did Well actually, I mean, maybe this called hold in that category, but not really, but like it's chially related, which is when I was a kid and I think you probably I think I've told this before, you're probably familiar with them as well. There was like swings, things hanging from a swing set, but instead of it being a swing, it was a little horse that you could sit on. Do you remember those were They were more rigid and solid and crazy heavy and hard. Yeah. And it was a way if you're a little kid and you didn't have the same balance as like sitting on a board with chains. No no a hadad. Well, the ones I'm talking about had four chains. So it was very small. no, the ones that could hurt your hands. Th four chain. I'm sorry I'morry. I was thinking of the ones on a domestic bourbon swing set. you're talking the chain ones on chains are it looks like something from the Middle Ages. L it looks like wick. It's like a wicker man to. My recollection is that the horse was made of cement. It was so heavy and hard and it just you could tell whoever made that horse hates children's teeth. It just is made for kn it was every c horse could knock out your teeth. It probably wasn't cement. It might well it might have been some kind of concrete mold. I don't think it was cast iron because that would be too heavy, but it was it was basically made of something like it wasn't plastic. was it was rigid and it No, no, you said. it's not plastic. It was rigid, but it would it would I never saw a broken it P probablyably weighed eighty pounds, ninety pounds. Like it was on chained so you don't have to do it That' a sound. Yeah know like we used to have a playground we still have a playground very near our house, but there used when we could to hear it from our front window and he like, king, kinging. There's a certain sound to kids playing on chain based playgrounds Maybe it was aluminum I'm looking at pictures here. Maybe it. It was incredibly heavy and incredibly hard. And I remember being at the It had this So I had two little pegs like a BMX biike, which Yeah coming out of the side of the head And I remember being at the playground when someone was on those swings and I like I was toddling around. I was han't entered kindergarten yet. I was like three or four years old And I walked in front of it and the nose of the horse came by and whacked me in the head and Because it's like eighty or ninety pounds, like even though it's not, you know, it's unchains, it has momentum P goals MV man and M is high, even though V was low. so P ends up being high Um and My head was just bleeding like it stuck pig. likeike you know when you get a head wound, right? T wounds bleed a lot and even a glancing blow of a ninety pound horse Yeah, and it did hurt a lot when I get hit by. I can still kind of like have like a sense memory of you know, there's a term with these in hockey. so you get your bell wrung. Did you feel like horse weigh more than me. Yeah That horse weighed at least twice as much as me, right? And And it was just like that terrible sensation and then just like a river of blood. Yeah. I was wearing my yellow Superman T shirt, which was like like yellow gold, like my hypercritical shirt. but it had a a stick on Sparkly Superman symbol I like you know, the sort of like iron like it's piece of plic it a sparkles In eighteen seventy eight, I had it. I had the exact one except it was on a black shirt. It had the exact one was sparkly and on the back it said Merlin and then number twelve Eact exactly I know exactly. No, no, no, but I know exactly the decal you'reking about. but you blood, you blood on your yellow su and I bled all over my supermanch. I had to run back to I had to run back to my house with blood coming all down my head, covering totally destroying my suuperman. Oh my Godd, was your mom losing her m I don't remember much past when I got home, but I do remember I was upset that my head was bleeding. I do remember I remember the feeling of getting h. And I do remember I was upset that my head was bleeding. Be sad that I had ruined my Superman shirt. And that is not an epic thing that happened to me on a playground, but it's in the category of grievous injuries in the seventies on playground equipment that should never have been legal because who in their right mind puts an eighty pound aluminum horse or whatever from hanging from chains and has like it's just such a bad idea. Go kids socialize, have fun. Ride the horse. Yeah. in that category, a lot of my friends would get injuries on the playground, usually doing something stupid and not that young, but yeah, we were always trying to go around the swing. But I mean, like even like, you know, the whole reason that you give kids a playground I don't know. I mean, I haven't read a lot about these things. I've read a little bit from Stuart Brown about the notion of play Dingus and why it's important for adults, but u the whole point of playground You know, one thing that's great about the IEA kitchen, I don't know the name of it, but whatever the IKEA kitchen is called Almost everybody has had an IKA kitchen. and there's a reason that is such a wonderful children's toy. Like it's a big piece of like, well, It's a small piece of furniture in the grand scheme of things, but it can do and be so many different things That kit kitchen, obviously, you can use those burners that sizzle to like make fake food on There's an area that's wait a minute, is that a cabinet or is that the refrigerator? And it's like h Depends on what you want And what about up here? Is that a microwave? couldould be a microwave? could be a place where you put your teacups? L or In the last instance, the second to the last last instance of that. was the morning Falcon. We turned it around pushed it away from the wall And then using things we drew on paper, we tried to make, you know, made a millennium falcon on the back of that that we could And then after that The last use of that before my wife found it was a standing desk for me So what I'm trying to say though, is If you give somebody a gun, not a gun, that's even a bad idea. But like if you givebody somebody something to play with and say like, okay, here's a play with this and there's one way to play with it Well, the point of a playground is I would say that I don't know if it's exactly on label for playgrounds, but yes, go down the slide Be careful we your turn. You hit the sand at the bottom But you know what else the slide is for? Like step At least at least for like a three or three level, running up the slide That's all we ever did with the slide was run up. that' the same sl It doesn't look like that's what the slide is for. If you were like being a real Martininet, it was also for burning your skin sometimes. You remember how hot slideember hot slides Sc. Do you remember how hot all metal was until the nineties? Yes, because there was metal was like the they didn't have metal that would like radiate the heat off of it quickly enough to not to get hot and they didn't have plast. was it was like a cast iron pan, like it would once you got that like stainless steel heat on a human but John, I have a photo of this. I'd gone to I was I was kind of technically helping out the youth minister who was also technically being nice to me. I was gonna help him take his very little kids King's Island where that one tenth size Eiffel toower is Circer nineteen seventy eight Anyway, Mina's two little kids and Dale went there And it was wonderful. He's a swell guy. Great youth men. Yeah, love lady. Very good name. Go on the list Um But his little son Shannon, We know those little boat rides where's just a boat that goes in a circle in a little bit of water. likeike a flat ride, just a basic like. Okay Do want to you want to guess? What this I'll never forget this Jhn. Do you w to guess what the surface of that little metal boat in the sun was where you sit on it. You might guess what that? a niceiece of stainless steel. just wasice ye It could be it was a B is a hot piece of metal and little shhannon in his little shorts I helped like pick him up and And it was like I'd put a ham put a ham on a burner. He just I can't you can't see the burners to make the sizzling noise. You can't see my face, but he had the sweet this little shannon was so sweet and it had this face that went like And I was like, oh No, you're gonna get bacon marks from King's Island That was everything until the nineties, John, everything was hot ot and knock your teeth out. That was why it was such an innovation when we got the natural playground, capapital and Capital P. the natural playground And I believe this was the Pines Elementary School. It wasn't as good as the one at the fancy bouncy bottom or the natural playground, first of all, it didn't have sand as the surface material. becauseuse I guess. Or in my case black topop. mine was black Some of them tried to do wood chips but that deteriorates too much. so this did pebbles.'s very That's very KOA and not sustainable Yeah. And everything was made of wood instead of it being metal Who had the good natural playground? I forget what that school name was. Some school had a natural playground that was like eight times the size of ours. It has a very, I have to say, a very Northern California vibe Like if you went to a very upscale area or think about the kinds of things that like there would be those those Little play sets that lots of people had for multiple kids, especially. And then some people got the fancy version that even included like a tree house that was woodsy and kind of little bit Yosemite looking And I think that's kind of what the aesthetic was. was like whether or not If this is just the KOA upgrade from BlackTop Like maybe that's not so great, but it kind of it's more aesthetic You can still have needles in the sand, I guess Okay, what about what about okay, I' got to finish. C we stop after this Mhm Halloween candy. G whatever year you want to pick What was your what was your how were you guys dealing with the lore of Halloween candy problems That's one of the lore categories where I feel like every kid knew that it wasn't true but we still traded it back and forth anyway. Unlike the penny one, which we all one hundred percent believe was true through your head I mean you got the razor bllades and the apples obviously. Okay, but did you have that? Did you have I mean, I'm not even trying to get to the like Yeah we we had the raz blades and the apples. that was very popular No, for multiple years, at least three years. whatever. Um, I was not allowed anyy of the candy in my bag At one point I had a separate bag for candy that was from a house that we knew even though, you know If you follow crime dramas, you learn that it's usually somebody you know. got If you did get a racer in yourre jolly rancher, it's probably from the Revererence. You know what I'm saying? A lot of it starts at home. You know what I'm saying? But no, for like three years, my mom would actually like get me like a candy bar or two and say like, o, you can have this. We can still like play with your candy and organize it. Really taking the fun out of Halloween. Yeah, I used to like to organize my candy. My kid did it too, I noticed separately, independently, but I used to like to organize it separately independly, but genetically genetic Well, you know what That's when you're not going to remove with the PSA.