Tony's Death and Final Legacy

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As a maintenance engineer at a beverage manufacturing plant, he starts his day knowing every line is ready to run because Granger delivers the industrial grade products he needs to keep mixers, conveyors, and packaging equipment moving. With Granger's vast selection of bearings, belts and motors, he keeps operations running smoothly, so nothing grinds to a halt Hall one eight hundred ranger, click ranger. com or just stop by Ranger for the ones who get it done nineteen seventy two. Glamorous, American socialite Barbara Day Baky. was stopped to death H chic London penthouse The culprit. He was her very own son Wayward heir to the Bakerite pllastic dynasty He was locked up in Broadmore Hospital for almost a decade until a posse of devoted friends with connections in high places campaigned to get him out only for him to then attack his elderly grandmother with a knife just six days after touching down in New York City The crimes were a shocking glimpse into a filthy rich family. hiding toxic secrets beneath its dazzling veneer So how did a clan that had made its fortune in plastic from a Belgian scientist with a simple American dream. turn into a twisted nightmare. Featuring madness, obsession and Mother son incest. Be won I' Suti. I'm Hannah And this is a case that makes Mummy deearest sound like a bedtime story I think this is another one we tried to pitch to documentary makers. cause They would always be American And they'd be like, Go and find some British stories. And it would be this one, Gaille This is one of the one of the ones. I see. Well it never made it to that? No, it did not. So we've got it here for you today And it is a very Perfectly transatlantic story and perfectly fucked up To start this bloody saga We need to begin Almost the end On the seventeenth of november, nineteen seventy two Barara Day Bakeland was living in a posh townhouse flat in West London. Despite being estanged from her husband, Brooks Baakland for over four years. Barbara was still very much reaping the rewards of marrying into the Bakerite plastic fortune back in the nineteen forties. It cannot be stressed like how revolutionary Bakerite was when it was created. Like the reason this family has so much money is They invented plastic in the modern sense that we think about it. They were the first people to were not they. the person who invented it in their family that started this dynasty was the first one to create heat resistant plastic. It changed the game in every way possible. The steering wheel of my first car was Bakighto. And that was like a feature of it was aassic car, I'm sorry I can't explain myself but now It's like a vintage thing. likeike if you find something that's bakerite, it's like listed as like a positive. It feels have you ever felt it? Yeah. It's like brittle than what like this would be. Yeah. So a precursor to what we now have, but absolutely the beginning of All those dead turtles For sure if you think West London Flat sounds small No, no. Barbara's swwanky Chelsea apartment was also home to her twenty five year old son, Anthony known to his friends as Tony Barbara spoiled Siamese cat Mr. Wse 's great now to be fair. Barbara lived a life of leisure, lunching with wealthy pals and attending caviar laden cocktail parties across Europe and the states A particular Friday afternoon in November, Barbara had visited her friend, Missy Haren. An exiled Russian princess who ranked highly in her stuffed roolodecks of aristocratic intimates And Barbara and Missy had met up for a spot of lunch. and a good old gossip. Over fillet mignon Barbara had mostly gushed about her favorite topic H son. Tony. She referred vaguely to the problems that Tony had been having lately but insisted that he was mad about London, and she was certain that sunnier times were coming soon In fact, she beamed as she told Missy that Tony planned to cook her dinner that evening Leaving Missy and sacheting across the immmaculately kept Cadoggan square at aroundound three hundred thirty Barbara most likely turned a few heads She was once dubbed one of the ten most beautiful girls in New York And at fifty one. Bara still had it. Have you seen a picture of her not in recent memory. Let me show you I think people always talk about people from the past of being like beautiful, and then you see them and you're like, M, okay But she is like, yeah, she's certified fittty. Oh yeah, well. Like yeah, for sure So I'm sure she was turning a lot of heads even at fifty one With her fiery red hair, high cheek bones and dazzling smile Barbara was a sort of person couldouldn't help but notice Barbara had no idea that the most attention she would ever get would be in just a few hours. when she'd be dead At around seven PM that evening, police responded to a terrified call from a maid that there had been some kind of altercation between her employer. and her son Officers reported to the penthouse flat at eighty three Cadogan Square to find Barbara Bakeland lying motionless on the floor of her kitchen There was a tiny hole in the bodice of her dress and only a small trickle of blood bloodied kitchen knife lay on the worktop nearby They quickly ascertained that the knife had plunged neatly J just once, directly into Barbara's heart severing her arterial chamber and killing her almost instantly Elsewhere in the flat, investigators found Barbara's son Tony He was on the phone to a Chinese restaurant ordering a takeaway He seemed completely unbothered by his mother's violent death. She very calmly admitted that he was the one who had stabbed her Unsurprisingly This Salacious story hit the global press. with lured headlines like Plastics air Says mother but his word spread about Barbara's shocking murder to those who knew the family It wasn't actually all that shocking In fact, to anyone who'd met the Bakelands for more than like two minutes It seemed inevitable that one day it would all end in tears And that's because a pressure cooker environment between mother and son had been building towards boiling points Months if not years And in that Chelsea Penthouse, the lid had finally blown off. withith the single thrust of a kitchen knife. Bara Day Blland'sart Little Tony Bakeland had grown up Unsurprisingly, with a silver bakalite spoon in his mouth of his devoted mother's eye So how had this precious mum and son boond turned so sour For that, we're gonna have to go from the end to the beginning Barbara Dailey was born in nineteen twenty one in Cambridge, Massachusetts, which is where Harvard is to a middle class. Irish Catholic family of modest means The Daies had more than their fair share of tragedy. In nineteen thirty three, when Barbara was just eleven Her father, Frank took his own life by carbon monoxide poisoning in the garage His suicide was witnessed by Barbara's brother, Frank Jr. who years later took his own life by driving his car full pelt into a tree It turned out There was a strain of mental illness running through the daily line Barbara'suture husband, Boks Baklland, would later dub A mischief in the blood, which is that's a nice way of putting it in it? Definitely got some mischief in mind Barbara herself would go on to be a private patient of famous psychoneurologist Foster Kennedy struggling with her nerves from a very young age Foster Kennedy is an interesting guy. I had never heard of him, but I looked into it and he was actually The first like psycho neurologist, psychotherapist, psychoanalyst to cooin the phrase or coin the idea of shell shop foollowing World War O, which I thought was very interesting But he was also quite radical. So he was very like, and I know now like electroic convulsive therapy, there is evidence that it does work and all of that kind of stuff about then it was probably pretty barbaric So he was a big proponent of that. also a big proponent of euthanasia and also just like quite severe experimental things like putting people who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia into like insulin comas and stuff like that The c It it's a scary it's a scary study. Totally. and I think That's what is always sort of skated over when this sort period of history is recreated. Everyone was a eugenicist Yeah. And this was everywhere. Scary times for short And Foster Kennedy, he does see Barbara. She never really talks about their sessions or anything like that Which is weird because she talks about a lot of other things that are like way worse, evenven if you're thinking about pasto mental health stigma or a mischief in the blood. And I think the Foster Kennedy diagnoses her with schizophrenia don't think that's what was wrong with her. I don't think that she has schizophrenia But I think they just said everybody had schizophrenia time Yeah So after her father's suicide, Barbara and her mother Nina known affectionately as Nimi Moved to New York City Taking up residence at the Swanky Del Monaco Hotel Basically they're able to afford this because her dad He kills himself because he loses everything in the stock market But once he dies There's a life insurance payment for her mum and her brother totaled like one point six million dollars in today's money each. So yeah They are like, this is horrible, horrible tragedy. It definitely psychologically affects her. I've also read that Barbara's the one who actually found her dad in the guard That is going to do a number on you They moved to New York. They're living it up in this hotel And it was a wild choice for a couple of ordinary Boston gals But Nini didn't see her daughter, Barbara as average at all with her stunning looks and irrepressible charm Ninie felt that Barbara was their key to unlocking access to New York's highigh society Friends later said that they believedve Nini Bopper up to be a Dutuchess Others, slightly less charitably, referred to the pair as professional Latchers on. Hey man, new money ain't got no choice say what you will, but one thing is clear. The daily women are definitely ambitious social climbers And if Nini did think that her daughter could attract that kind of attention, she was not wrong Beautiful Bara felt like she belonged in the room where things happened and her looks attracted a lot of attention in New York where she quickly picked up work modeling for fashion magazines like Harper's Bazaar and Vogue. She was even whisked off to Hollywood for a screen test alongside Hunky Leing Man. Dana Andrews And whilst a career in Tinseltown turned out not to be on the cards Barbara's LA visit paid off in other unexpected ways because it was there that she struck up a friendship with an actress named Cornelia Dicky Bakeland He introduce Barbara? Dashing little brother It was warim, and Brooks J Bkland might have been a rich kid, but he was determined to put on a uniform and do his bit to take down Mr Iill whichich for him, meant joining up as a trainee pilot for the Royal Canadian Air Force While Ladies swooned about Brooks's movie star looks, he had the brains to boot with some acquaintances even calling him intellectual Erl Flynn. He had actually almost completed a PhD in physics, but pulled out to pursue his dreams of becoming a writer So they never actually wrote that much T Barbara who also fancied herself as a bit of a poet back then Italy Iirresistible and arguably, more importantly than any of his other attributes Brooks Pitland had loads and loads and loads of money, so he can be a poet if he wants to His grandfather, Leo Hendriick Bakland, was the Belgian chemist who famously invented Bakolite, the world's first fully synthetic plastic in nineteen oh nine. In the process, Grandpa Leo transformed the fortunes of his working class bloodline Within a decade, Baker Light was literally everywhere We're talking radios, telephones, clocks, jewelry, and even the shell of the very first atomic bomb And the Bakelands grew up into a dynasty with as Brooks called it and Courtney Cox's dad you money. And if you're going to be a poet That is the only environment where it's safe. Yeah And that's exactly the sort of money that Barbara was interested inh ook, let's just be clear. Like we've said, Barbara is pretty hot. She's got a lot of options. Around this time, she was also being relentlessly pursued by a man named John Jacob Astor V fif. And if you recognize that name, well, that's because it also belongs to yet another infamous dynasty. Having made their fortune in furs, the Astors were known as the landlords of New York Little JJ V F actually held the dubious honour of being the youngest survivor of the Titanic tragedy who was actually in his mother's belly at the time. Wow. yeah. Imagine the most interesting thing about you happening before you're born. Miz. You can't top that. No, that's pretty good. It's pretty good and his father Jacob Asther IV had actually been one of the richest men in the world at the time But he wasn't so lucky and he actually went down with the ship And if you want to know more about that, then check out Oshualhand on the Titanic In his life on land this particular aster, the one who survived. really managed to make much of a name for himself except for being richer sin and kind of ugly He was harshly dubbed by Time Magazine, the peear shaped Prince of the Iidle Rich. He allegedly offered Barbara a whopping three million dollars to wait for him to divorce his then wife, a woman named Tucky French, so that he could marry her Some of the names in this are just fantastic. For Barbara, even the Asters's fortune wasn't enough She wanted to marry for money and love Probably someone hot likeike Brooks Banklland So she threw herself head first Mr. Brooks. She followed him between air basases and after a whirlwind romance, she dropped a scandalous bombshell that she was pregnant Like if you've got two suitors and they're both incredibly wealthy And one's hot, I're gonna go for the butters a pilot. And the other one's like. They survive the tigantic So yeah, she makes a very calculated decision and she marries Brooks. And yeah, they have this whirwind romance. she gets pregnant, which come on. time and They are unwed and she is knocked up So, Brooks does the right thing at the time. He whisks her off to South Carolina. He paid ten dollars for a wedding ring and two dollars for some court fees, and he made an honest woman out of her As it turned out however Barbara was not in the family way But it was a bit too late now because they were married at the old Bait and Sitch I see you, Barbara cause yes. far too late they were officially now, Mr and Mrs. Bakeland. Brooks later said that it was at this point when Barbara revealed that she wasn't pregnant that he realized, quote, he had not married a soulmate, but a powerful and ambitious antagonist Chap. The P couple set up home in a bougie upper East side apartment where they regularly hosted lavish parties For the who's who of wealthy New York Society guuaranteee almost none of them were in love with their spouse either Both of them were stunningly attractive and engaging people, but Barbara especially had a knack for charming anyone she set her sights on namely those with talents and titles far more important than tits and teeth She's very much like she wants to create this Birfl like energy and creativity and money and wealth and like beauty And she's good at it. The Bacls entertained a revolving door of aristocrats, writers, and celebrities, including Greta Garbo and Telessee Williams Barbara's social climbing became a bone of contention between her and Brooks, who felt embarrassed by her emmpress heirs. When he was trying to play it cool Yeah, it's because he already comes for money And he's like, this is embarrassing But she is, yeah, like we said, a social climber. And I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. I mean, that is literally what she wanted to do And I think he finds it all a bit gauche. I'm sure he does has to be said that he himself was very guilty Quite a lot of name dropping They all do it. They just think they do it in a better way. It was evident to those who knew the couple that Brooks had a real chip on his shoulder when it came to Barbara's apparent lack of class in this arena The only thing she could do to undo that is go back in time and be reborn and survive the Titanic. L that's it He snobbly remarked to his friends that Barbara was nothing Just some red headed Irish kid before he practically picked her out of the chorus line Baklland's marriage might have looked shiny on the outside But underneath, it was as volatile as the chemicals that had built this family's empire The couple became notorious for theatrical arguments in public Barbara especially prone to erratic and over the top behaviour Once, for example, they were playing a game with friends over dinner where somebody asked Would you go home with the next person to walk through that door ten million dollars Is it now ten million dollars or then ten million dollars? Because if it's then ten million dollars, I'm gone. Then ten million dollars. Out of here So when Brooks replied that he absolutely would Barbara stormed out of the restaurant and went off in a car with three random men call his bluff. Which like, yeah okay, but considering that it was the middle of the night in Manhattan could have ended very badly. I think it's just to show like how dramatic she is and she will fucking follow through And yeah, it might seem cute at times But she's nuts. Oh yeah. Oh, I have no doubt. no doubt in my mind I think it's the kind of thing that at first Brookks probably like, o, this is cute. This is fun. and then you're like, oh my god, you're mental All that mischief is mischiefing up our lives. Friends described Barbara as a violent person who threw herself full tilt into everything she did using her willful personality to get her own way no matter what the risk And in classic old timey stereotypes, Barbara's hot blooded ways were easily blamed on one thing being a ginger. wish it was so simple. I think she has a personality disorder Things could be two things. familyam friend, Ethel Woodward de Crosser Describe Barbara as having a violent Irish streak and being a red headed domineering person Maybe we wouldn't be so violent if you weren't oppressing us all the time So genetics aside, one thing was clear The next generation of the Baakeland dynasty would be built on very shaky ground with a dash of mischief in the blood Upon hearing of Brooks and Barbara's nuptials, psychologists, the one we met earlier, Foster Kennedy who had met both of them actually, as troubled teens. allegedly cried God ffend they have a child Maybe it'll cancel all itself out. Maybe it's like that mrter Burns bit of the Simpsons when all of the diseases mean that he doesn't actually get sick. who knows, who knows But well no, I do know and that's not what happens. It's really bad. What better time on that note to introduce you all little Tony Anthony Tony Bakeland was born in august nineteen forty six. Inheriting Barbara's red hair and dark eyes, he was described as a beautiful little boy with cherubic good looks and a sensitive, intelligent soul Throughout Tony's youth, his father was distant in an emotional and physical sense. I doubt that was particularly unusual for the time And Brooks is around He's just like, okay little boy I see you Brooks was often more engrossed in his own projects, like the novel he kept claiming he was writing but never actually made much progress on, or the summer he spent in Peru, searching for a lost Incan City with fellow adventurer Peter Gibb That's like good rich man stuff. Like you go and have an adventure in the Amazon, you know, that's. He's not like murdering prostitutes. He's just like, I'm gonna go to Peru. SLA a kid. Good luck Like yeah, it's just classic rich old and timey stuff. and in his absence Tony became the quintessential mummy's boy. Wherever Barbara went, Tony went to clinging to his mother's skirts while she held court with princes or drank cocktails with the stars And it was the start of an immeshed relationship tragically end in bloodshed This is the story of the One The one who keeps multiple buildings running smoothly, day after day, pllumbing that flows, HVac that hums, cleaning supplies that keep surfaces sparkling. That's why she counts on Granger. With easy reordering online and twenty four seven support, Granger helps her keep the products she needs on hand. So shelves stay stocked, and buildings, stay ready. Call one eight hundred Granger, clickranger dot com or just stop by Granger, for the ones who get it done Be adventurous in the sun. Be protected in the sun. Be confident in the sun Be Farless in the Sn with Blue Lizard Australian Sunscreen. As experts in mineral sunscreens for nearly thirty years, we've earned awards for our high quality products and the trust of healthcare professionals. 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One acquaintance quipped that actually they treated him like a show dog Qote, a slightly larger peecanese to be precise while others described him as a puppet that they showed off in company Yeah, he's definitely not as like outgoing and charismatic as his parents. so constantly being surrounded by all these people and also both Brooks and Barbara pushing him out to be like, you know, show everybody how great you are. be great Absolutely I think just from the start destroys Tony's sense of like any sort of self worth I honestly feel like Tony kind of never released it a chance It doesn't seem that way, though They make it so much worse as this goes on And I don't think he is very well by the end of it at all The gap. Bad news from the start Barbara told everyone who would listen about Tony's talents for painting and poetry while Brooks became convinced that he would grow up to be a famous biologist They both conveniently ignored that Tony's interests in art and anatomy mainly consisted of reading the Marquis Dsarde Oh boy skketching disturbing drawings of his mother covered in blood And Where so many of our episodes start pulling the wings off of insect. As a child, he didn't just happen upon the writings of the Marquis Desssardes He was given them by his parents And there's an acquaintance, I can't remember who, but there's an acquaintance who said they come to the house one day and like Tony's like a child. eleven twelve, thirteen. He's reading Marquis D Sard works out loud. likeike when we kids in Nporn a little talent show It's just like, what the fuck are these people think is so inappropriate from the stop There's the high expectations And there's like the parading of him, as's like this fucking show pony And there's the emotional detachment. and the amishment, ironically There's also just the inappropriate sexual stuff from a very young age It's quite ro of evil, isn't it I've given them a plug in a couple of years. There go, how they go The Brakelands wanted a boy genius And they only saw what they wanted to see x and Barbara were obsessed with the idea that Tony was going to go down in history as a someone Which he did, Just not in the way they had hoped Throughout the nineteen sixties, Brooks and Barbara's turbulent marriage became rockier than ever Brooks was a serial cheater. and Barbara's attempt to make him jealous with her own Spanish toy boy ended up falling embarrassingly flat Eventually, Brooks actually told Barbara that he was leaving her for his latest squeeze An English diplomat's daughter fifteen years as junior Barbara She was not having it She attempted suicide Did the trick and Brooks ended the affair. Barbara would go on to repeat this tactic at least three more times, whenever she felt that her marriage was at risk of dissolving Brooks reckoned and I would probably agree with him, that Barbara never actually intended to take her own life. was just a technique to manipulate him and make him stay out of pity and fear And it always worked That is, until Sylvie came along Sylvie was a vibrant young French woman who became friends with Tony When the family were living in the Spanish town of Caraques in nineteen sixty seven She was att least on paper Tonies First girlfriend Now twenty one. Tony sheepishly introduced Sylvie to his parents But when his new bau caught the eye of Tony's dashing dad Brooks They started an affair. that would change everything Upon discovering Broops and Silvie's fling in february nineteen sixty eight Barbara resorted to her usual trick of attempting suicide with an overdose of pills in Paris This time, It was more serious Landing her in a coma for several weeks. And when she woke up Brooks wasn't there He had finally had enough and officially left Barbara for Sylvie Barbara blamed Sylvie for the breakdown of her marriage branding her a golding bitch who had first betrayed her son and then latched onto her husband When she realized that that was a way to get more money more quickly To be fair, uh. She's not wrong. No So She's still nut. Oh yes, absolutely It's not someone I would piss off, no it wouldn't be. But here is the thing, hereere's the thing to clarify because when Sylvie first enters the picture, Barbara is like Fantastic Tony has a girlfriend, this is great news The thing is it was never actually Tony's girlfriend She was his beard Oh while it's not totally certain if Tony was gay or was bisexual There is one thing that Tony Bakeland was certainly not That is straight His same sex dalliances had started in boarding school And there had been whisperings about it for years among the Bakelland's goossipy Society friends Perhaps surprisingly for a couple who tried to do the whole boohemian intellectual act Brooks and Barbara were not happy about it. And I think it's probably also because like They'll go so far in their like bohomian ways, but not that far. and also they only have one son. And they're like, but what about the dynasty? Yeah, right, right And I think there's also this narcissistic drive from Barbara in particular to mold Tony into what is her version Like you see that throughout his life Tony was an extension of her So if he was flawed, which is how that would have been seen at the time, then obviously that reflected poorly on her. It wasn't just about what Tony wanted or who Tony was. If he was gay, well then she must be a shitty mother or she must be in some way flawed or damaged or broken or whatever, and she couldn't have that Barbara needed control You can see this need for control manifests itself in many aspects of her behaviour, like for example with the suicide attempts, whenever Brooks tries to leave her St Despite hers, Anne Brooks' best hopes that you know, he'd grow out of it or something By the late sixties, it had become painfully obvious that this wasn't just a phase for their son Tony Whilst rolling with a fringe hippie crowd in Kadikes and supposedly dating Sylvie Tony had fallen under the spell of an Australian bisexual guy called Jake Cooper Nicknamed Black Jake because he exclusively wore head to toe black and silver skull motif jewellry, he was rumoured to be into dark magic and voodoo rituals. whichich if you are giving your son the Maret Dade age twelve. I cannot be surprised that that is what he's going for. People describe Tony as Jake's bitch following him around like a lovevesick puppy And unsurprisingly for the sixties Their relationship revolved mainly around sex and drugs, which again Why are you surprised? Uhu Needless to say Tony's parents didn't approve of this intense friendship even though they literally teed him up for it And to be fair, Black Jake Cooper was bad news Almost a proto cult leader, fueling up on drugs with his Hreim and living out on an abandoned farm in the middle of nowhere He took Tony's money, he fed him drugs and started to take control of the naive young man and no doubt, enraged by the rumored homosexual relationship, But also the idea that someone else might snatch away her power over Tony Barbara actually came and physically dragged Tony out of Jake's clutches and back to Switzerland where she was staying at the time When they were stopped at the border because Tony didn't have his passport She kicked up such an almighty stink that they were chucked into jail Apparently there's spitting, biting, cursing Ching The police officers It's again She seeks absolute control. but she is absolutely not always in control of herself She doesn't conduct herself in like a normal way She is a very dramatic person. I don't mean like dramatic is in like you know, histonic. Histonic. I think yeah. I've been skirting around it because look could It want to be here like throwing out diagnoses. but when she's diagnosed with schizophrenia, I'm like is it Or is it histionic personality disorder? becausecause that is really what it feels like. definitely some sort of clust to B situation. veryer just like out of touch with reality or like what's acceptable Yeah And during this jail, border, passport debacle Apparently, according to witnesses Barbara famously exclaimed, Here you are darling at last Manacle to Mummy. And the tone in which that is said could change the feeling of it I don't know how she said it or if she even said it, but it definitely sets up anyyway she said story. Tard me go. Yeah This is a perfect example of Barbara and Tony's increasingly toxic dynamic She smothers him to the point of suffocation, insisting on being physically and emotionally closer to him than any healthy mum son relationship should be But it went so much further than even your worst Rasping boy Mum. Because those close to the family remember how Barbara saw Tony as a Messiah. and also the perfect child who nobody could possibly match up to. Which like if you want to fuck your kid up, this is how you do it Tell him he's the Messiah And this is what I mean. It's not just like she's a bit too much She's off her rocker under her oppressive love Tony was absolutely stunted completely unable to form healthy relationships of his own even as his resentments fested He still idolized his Mum Barbara He told everyone how much he adored his mother. Qote, moreore than anything in the world his dad out of the pictchure Things could only get worse Epbroiled in bitter divorce proceedings, Barbara tightened her hold on Tony who was firmly on mumy's side And with the loss of Brooks, slowly we see an escalation in the spousification of Tony by Barbara which you can also call emotional incest She ramps up her need for attention and intimacy from Tony Treating him as a surrogate partner The two of them moved into a villa on the Spanish island of Mallorkca Barbara drank heavily and both of them took a shit on her drugs Tony had been dabbling with hallucinogenics since his teens And by now it seemed that Barbara had said fuck it and joined in which again much like letting your child read the Marquis D'sade just feels like You slowly see those boundaries of mother, son relationships being completely thrown out the window Acquaintances noticed that both of them appeaar to be struggling more with their mental health than ever before. And adding quite so many drugs to that mix is only going to go one way It was a catalyst to the nightmare already unfolding. Because out in Mallorkca in that crumbling old house literally like Alistter Crowley It is alleged that their relationship took a truly twisted turn. Yeah Now look I'll say this at this point. There are a lot of people who are like, we don't know if this really happens I am one hundred percent convinced that it did So you I think I am too had been trying to straighten Tony out. literally for quite some years. She had relentlessly thrust the eligible daughters of princes, dukes, and artists under his nose only for him to remain irritating the uninterested in all of them It was even rumoud that in an attempt to get Tony to discover the joys of Hetero loveve Barbara had actually hired sex workers to sleep with her teenage son His relationship with Sylvie, as we said, might have given Barbara a glimmer of hope. But then that had gone tits up in more ways and one Barbara felt like no matter what she did By the late nineteen sixties, her son's sexuality had become a hopeless problem. that she was obsessed with and desperate to fix. and her complaints to friends over cocktails were now taking on a worrying edge Barbara's sister in law, Elizabeth, remembers her remarking more than once You know, I could get Tony over his homosexuality if I just took him to bed And in Miorca It is alleged that she did just king on an incestuous affair with her very own son. Bid. cure him of his homosexuality. I war' you Mmm. I think I know I mentioned Root Revil before, but If she's hanging around with Salvadadali, she's probably hanging out with Man Ray probably hanging out with all sorts of people like the central father figure in Root of Evil. This is a fact, you can look it up. What all of those people doing are talking about the pushing of sexual boundaries. I have. all talking about taboos and what does it even mean? L Are we more shocked because she's a woman? Absolutely. That's because men do this a lot more than women do, also fact But like It's so interesting that She's all for the pushing of boundary Until we're talking about legacy And we're talking about dynasty and we're talking about where your inheritance is going And I think it's very interesting because when I was looking into Barbara Bakelland, I think one of the things that is very clear about her, being a social climber or the ways in which she gets to the position she's in, she's very, very concerned with how people perceive her She's very concerned with how people perceive her son because then that reflects poorly on her or well on her was like, So why is she then running around telling people what she's doing? Because She like says this to her own sister in law that this is what she should do. It starts off as a joke, but then quickly she is making R like salacious comments about having sex with her own son. And I was like, How does that make sense with the idea of how she perceives herself? But I think you're right, right? It's this idea of she wants to also be perceived as this kind of out of the box thinker, this avant garde sexual being who is like H you let our son read Marquis de Sade. J favorite But she can't quite cross into the gay side of things because you're right, I think it comes back to legacy, it comes back to well you know Who's gonna carry on the line that I work so hard to fucking secure? But it's like to her, her fucking her own son. is less of a problem than him just being gay. Which like you didn't say what you want at the time in the place about how homosexuality was perceived. Is there ever a time in a place where mother son incest was approved mayaybe within the social circles that she's running in if she's running with people like Salvador Dali, Mane, because you're right, when we listen to Rot of evil, this is what these people were doing And so maybe and it's this time perod And maybe it's her perception is warped because she already has a very distorted sense of reality because I don't think she is very like mentally A okay, that she is able to absorb that and then live in that space and not be able to separate what the rest of the world would be like Sorry, what And I think she's confronted with people who are like, what the fuck is she talking about? And she doesn't get it. She doesn't get it. No, or they don't challenge her because she's terrifying. Yeah And there's also like One of the like questions people ask is like do you think you have a drinking problem? And they're like do you hide your drinking? Do you lie about how much you drink So then I think that sort of spills into people telling other people about how much they're drinking and it being too much, and everyone being a bit like, but no one' saying anything like, oh, it's not a secret satisfiedy. You know what I mean? I think it could be like an element of that of like, well I'm tal about it I'm not hiding it. I've got nothing to hide. There's nothing wrong with it. I'm not hiding anything Yeah Maybe Over dinner. With friends, Barbara herself would make all sorts of crude comments about sleeping with her own son, like it was gossip rather than a shocking crime. I know we should be saying her son But like this is how she is presenting it. She's presenting it like it's a consenting relationship or a consenting thing insofar as she is like admitting that he is gay but she's like Oh but you know, this is what we're doing She didn't show any guilt and really did seem to think it was a perfectly legitimate response to addressing Tony's troublesome sexuality. And the extent to which this would have served to distort Tony's reality, can't be overstated It's one thing when sexual abuse happens behind closed doors But imagine the damage it would have done to Tony psychologically to have his mother running around town telling everyone what she was doing. that she was helping him if it isn't horrific enough. when sexual abuse is made a secret and the victim feels like they can't tell anybody This is a whole ' not kettle of fish when you're like users is running around telling everybody And it is the most humiliating, depraved, despicable thing that could be happening to anybody and she's laughing about it with her pals over drinks. So this is why I mean, I get some people think that this didn't actually happen, that she didn't actually do it. I do think she did, like I said But even if she didn't The very fact that she is telling people that she is, whether it actually happened or not I think is enough to push Tony into having the mental breakdown that he does. I totally agree. Hi, my name is Lisa and I'm a licensed psychotherapist, which means my work doesn't magically end when the session does. There are notes to write, appointments to manage, billing, insurance follow ups, and somehow all that admin used to creep into my nights and weekends. That's why I switched to simple practice Simple prractice is an all in one electronic health record built specifically for therapists with HIPA compplliant tools and high trust certification So I don't have to worry about juggling systems or cutting corners just to keep things running schcheduling, documentation billing, insurance client communications, even automated appointment reminders, it all lives in one place. 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After moving back to New York City in nineteen seventy, Barbara joined a creative writing class She's got so much time on her hats and Gleefully shared snippets of a novel she was working on that featured Mother son Inest Barbara seemed to enjoy the shocked reaction she got from her classmates at the supposed fiction ough everyone privately suspected it was more autobiographical in nature than she was ling on Before long, rumors of an incestuous relationship between Barbara and Tony were in full swing within the gossipy social circles that she and Brooks had once mixed in together and alarmingly. cururrently There were some people think it was all that bad I can see how In a social circle where hiring sex workers to sleep with your children is quite normal can see how their reaction might be less Hideous. than ours is can't get it. I can't get my head around it It's gross and it's work to like high risk work to be like, here, lose your vision and se this doesnt. Biological Every newuron in your brain should be screaming no. This is fucked up. And like no matter how much time passes. I just can't believe there was ever a time. I cannot believe there was ever a time when people were like, I really think these people are brainwashed into the people that think it's okay are the people that are part of that brainwashed crowd that we're pushing the boundaries. Yes ag. whatever. And it's not lot of them, right? We'll name one in particular It's old Ethel Woodward de Croissant who we met earlier Apparently, she said she found it perfectly touching She said she could understand how Barbara subconsciously blamed Tony's sexuality for losing Brooks and that her dream as Tony's mother was to be the one to make him whole I also think that similarly to the black pereril. These people are all really bored Like and they're really bored. They drink a lot. They take a lot of fucking drugs. They go to parties every night of the week. Eventually you're gonna run out of shocking things to say So I think that plays a role also. I think so. And I also do think it's slightly overblown the number of people that are okay with it. I think Ethel is like on another fucking planet. I don't know what's going on with her. She's pretty nuts. And the majority of people I think, for example, people like an art curator who hung around in these circles, a man named Sam Adams Green, just rejected the rumors outright. E when Barbara saying it, I think they just think She's a pretty dramatic person. She's a pretty weird person. I think they just don't believe that it's real. and they just sort of let her say what she wants, but they don't buy into it And Sam, he actually had a brief fling with Barbara, also out in Miorkca, and claims that he never saw anything to suggest incest between her and Tony. Instead, he reckoned that she was just bullshitting for shock value and attention which admittedly, Barbara did her form for so I can understand why people thought that was the case. And this whole situation would actually come to a head two thousand eight When the film Savage Grace, based on this story featured a scene with Sam Adams Green Barbara and Tony haaving a sexy Spanish threesome. He sued the filmmakers, as you would, and vehemently denied that this ever happened, with a legal battle still unresolved when he died in twenty eleven. Wow I haven't watched the film Savage Grace, Have you watched it? It's got Julianne Moo. Barpera And it's got Eddie Redmaine as Tony. I remember it being on my list ye when we were endlessly pitching But I didn't do it because would why So what was really going on? For sure for certain, for legal, we can't say one hundred percent. I think she absolutely did. I think she did it. I think people who say that she didn't do it are like, well there's hard evidence. And I'm like, isn't there? There's a lot of fucking evidence Like she says it. Like there's a lot being said about it and also Tony's fucking behavior. he's so angry And not long before Tony killed her, he himself confided in an acquaintance that he was, quote, fucking his mother It seemed in general all the time to be really, really distressed Sometimes during her telling of the story, Barbara would present it as a consenting relationship between adults which I think is this like pushing boundary thing, but I think it's like Calling someone histronic doesn't necessarily mean that they have histronic personality disorder. Calling someone narcissistic doesn't necessarily mean they have narcissic personality disorder However I think she finds herself in this like pushing boundaries crowd the majority of whom aren't doing half of the things they say they're doing They're just saying it for shock factor and to sell paintings. L And I don't know if she can tell the difference. She can't. That's the difference. Like she doesn't. Whatever like rope to reality the others cling on to, she's never had it So it doesn't make sense to her I would even be surprised if she ever told a lie in her life. I don't think she knows the difference And if you have a manreay photograph book in your house, throw it out. He's a pedophil and a rapist. He's a child rapist. Don't give his estate any money I walked past a shopfront that had a manan ray display last summer. a whole like shop and I that that is fucking foul I haven' listen to the root of evil clely No one cares everyone's a Peter file Hanner, to calm down Barbara would present the whole thing as a consenting relationship and also painting herself as Tony's heterosexual saaviour. Yeah, like it doesn't even marry up because one minute she's like, oh, he's gay and I'm curing him, but it's also consenting Is she saying he's consenting to her like conversion therapy of him? I don't know. I don't think Barbara knows Like that Stehven Frery book where that teenage boy fucks the horse and cillures everyone I haven't read that Okay spoilers. He's fucking the horse quite. We don't w tell you which book it is, so you can read all of them and you don't know which one's gonna be spoiled . ye I think with Barbara that she is vain and ammented enough But she and only she can turn her son Yes. I really think that's a big part of it. I think she's like, I tried all these women, tried these sex workers. Sylvie was, you know, Syvie'sot. Sylie comes in steal fucking brooks E they can't do it I must do I turn every head of every room I walk into, it's got to be me So from what we can tell, It was the ultimate Jacasta conversion therapy by a mother determined to alter her son's nature Now the Chasta complex is not one we have had the pleasure, displeasure of talking about before on this show It's basically where the incestuous sexual desire is coming from the mother. towards her son And the term was coined by psychoanalyst Raymond de Susur. in nineteen twenty. as the converse of the Oedipus complex In the story of Aedipus She is of course, the quQueen of Thebes, who unknowingly marries her son So just to be clear, the term can be used to cover different levels of attachment and immeshment between a mother and a son powerful domineering but ultimately a sexual mother love. a full blown incestuous and sexually abusive dynamic. Like I said abbsolutely do think that she's actually abused Tony Some people do question this stating that, like I said, we don't have hard evidence, but The reason is, as you said earlier, The idea of maternal incest is so taboo. I really can't think of anything more taboo, if I'm perfectly honest with you than a mother seexually abusing her own child. Yeah, I agree And rightfully so Incestuous sexual abuse like this not only destroys the victim's relationship with themselves, all types of sexual abuse can do. But here with this, for most people, their primary attachment figure from when they are young is their mother. so it also destroys your relationship with your primary attachment figure. So it's just like a double whammy. How bad can it get ist I also think it's quite unfair on Jacasta, she didn't know. No, this is the thing. I think with the did Eedipus really. Yeah. With the Oedipus complex and the Jicusta complex, like, yes, you're absolutely right that like both of them don't know. so it is a bit of a like An unfair term. Yeah. but you know, to be fair The most famous time it happens. Yes,' hedipus wrex. We got a run with it. Yeah, we got a run with it. Youve gott to get that name recognition in for the SEO or everyone's gonna forget about it As the seventies approached, Barbara and Tony were both rapidly spinning out Barbara had become obsessed with her art curating defender Sam Adams Greene claiming that she was going to have his baby. Despite being in our fifties She pulled erratic stunt, like waiting outside his apartment all night in the wintry streets of Manhattan, in just a fur coat and no shoes. By now Bakeland family drama already provided inspiration for several writers, just none of them in the family. Yeah, yeah. I think this is it. It's like not just circling in their little world And it's not that it gets written about after both of them a long lot Contemporaneous writers talking about this, writing about this while Barbara is still alive The author James Jones wrote a novel called The Merry Month of May with the character Louisa, basically reading like a carbon copy of Barbara Jones's wife, Gloria had actually been the one to rescue Barbara from one of her suicide attempts, the one that had taken place in Paris after Brooks left her So he got like a front row seat to a lot of the crazy And he wrote the details almost exactly as they happened Then you had celebrity photographer Cecil Beaton, who even wrote his own unpublished story based on gossip he had heard about Barbara and young Tony even eerily predicting the son killing his mother in the end As is often the case, as it would turn out and reality would be far stranger than fiction Leing for a fresh start in nineteen seventy one, Barbara placed the twenty five year old Tony in an art school in New York. Not long after enrolling, he had a meltdown during a still life class Instead of drawing fruit, he covered his canvas in bleeding figures, and everyone was quite unnerved. I shouldn't lagh if it's horrible, but reads like it's not real. His behavior grew increasingly paranoid, violent, and aggressive And at the age of twenty five, Tony was hospitalized and officially diagnosed with schizophrenia To make matters worse, clinic staff noted that Barbara was backing up Tony's delusions Eespecially those where he thought he was a Messianic figure being spoken to by God Barbara discharged Tony from hospital and said that she would give him the medication they had prescribed. Other than that, she could handle him on her own There wasn't much anyone else could do Since Tony's absent father, Brooks refused to pay for private treatment due to his stubborn belief that psychiatrists were amoral Barbara took Tony home with her insisting to everyone that he was on the mend And she was far more capable of taking care of her son than anyone else But even she didn't quite understand the tasks she had in her hands Over the next year, those close to the family witnessed multiple disturbing incidents where Tony behaved aggressively towards his mother A divorce lawyer, Sam Shaw, recalls having to step in and even getting his nose broken when Tony grew violent with his grandmar Nini and knocked Barbara out in their New York City apartment in nineteen seventy one This occasion led to the police being called Barbara refused to press charges Then the following year in January, another vicious argument broke out between Mum and son at a fancy house party in the Hamptons Tony smashed an egg in Barbara's face and called her a hore which she retaliated, calling him a homo Tony then grabbed a knife while she taunted him saying, I dare you A terrified party guest named David Meade, wrestled the knife from Tony's hand. and would later think of that night as a dress rehearsal. was about to transpire The next day, after this fight, where Tony literally threatens her with a knife Barbara just came to pick him up and calmly drove away in her car as if nothing had happened Everyone was utterly bamboozled by Barbara and Tony's toxic relationship And I think secretly enjoying watching it all There were no, you know There's no like snark pages for them to look at out. They just proro seat. No one's stepping in, aren't they While such violent episodes were growing increasingly frequent including an incident where Tony jabbed a pen in his mom's eye Paradoxically, they seemed more devoted to each other than ever When they moved to London together in the summer of ' seventy two, Barbara put on a brave face and insisted to friends that things were looking up for her and Tony But the bubble burst in late July. withith an incident so public and so harrowing. ost cost Barbara her life In a manic rage, Tony dragged his mother out of the townhouse by her hair and tried to push her into oncoming traffic She clung desperately to the gate which Tony slammed on her hand multiple times, breaking her thumb in three places And look I am not exccusing Tony's behavior but I am He is not well known He is not well. I actually think that he probably does have schizophrenia. I think he is very, very unwell And she has been sexually abusing him. Yeah. This is all that rage. He is like I fucking want to kill you. And confirming his delusions. Yes He finally ends up in a place where he might get some treatment anyone is ever going to really be able to fix all the things she has done to him And then she drags him out of there and brings him back into her control and is doing God knows what This is why I think she did it. Obviously people can just be unwell and be violent. like obviously that can happen There is so much raach here from Tony towards Barbara It's just like this toxic nightmare, this car crash that goes on and on and on for years. And that's why the murder just feels like People say it was inevitable bl like, was it? There's so many opportunities where something could have been done In the end, Barbara's friend Sue Ginness, rushed to her rescue. and called the police. From inside the house, Tony brandished a knife and threatened to kill any woman who got too close Tony was carted off by the police and charged with attempted murder. But Barbara, once again insisted the charges be dropped And she claimed it was worth any amount of pain to save Tony from himself Someone needs to save Tony from you. By now, Barbara's friends were genuinely afraid for her life. But she promised them that she would find a good doctor to sort Tony out. And she did She found a man named Dr. W. Lindseay Jacobs. a psychiatrist who started intensive private sessions with Tony He had a reputation for bringing even the worst cases back from the brinks. And Barbara was desperate for him to work wonders on her wayward boy Jacobs had to say wasn't exactly what Barbara wanted to hear It was on the thirtieth of october, nineteen seventy two, just a few weeks before her death Jacobs warned Barbara that in his professional opinion Tony was going to kill her I think this is another indicator if she doesn't really think what she's doing is wrong, because why would you get the best doctor in the business to put his hand in your son's brain if you've got something to hide. No, yeah Oh yeah. And you would think maybe Barbara would take the serCE, but then frickly, why would he's trying to kill her already and she doesn't And even when she has this fantastic doctor who she has sought out for being fantastic, telling her he is going to kill you Barbara scoffs, but then also immediately makes it about herself. And again, in this statement that she says to him shows how fucking dramatic she is not that this isn't a dramatic situation but just her level of like how historonic she is because she says He's been murdering me since he was born Dr. Jacobs reiterated that what he was saying was not a figure of speech He meant that Tony will literally kill her wouldn't or couldn't believe that her baby boy might really hurt her And so she refused to take his advice seriously I don't know if she doesn't believe that he will hurt her. I think she has a very distorted sense of reality where maybe she even thinks that she can't die can't get to that point. L she can't even fathom it. He has tried to kill her multiple times But he tried to push her into oncoming traffic. The only reason she was savede because somebody else pulled her out of the way. or she is egotistical enough that she believes she can handle it. That's what I think. I think it's kind of like when Something a therapist will ask you if you're overly worrying about something or something you've said or like Has someone taken it the wrong way? Is it going to have this massive impact on their life So you really think you're that important? And for me, I'm like, oh, of course Of course, the like offhanded comment I made three months ago isn't going to stop my friend from the career of their dream. But she does think she's that important. When it comes to Tony, she has to be that important. She is the only thing that is important So she ignores him And Dr. Jacobs, like, I've got to give him his credit. He tries to warn Barbara, she will not listen to him and unsure of where to turn next Dror Jacobs does the only thing he can think of, he actually rang the Chelsea pololice station and asked them to put a guard at eighty one Gerugan Square because he so firmly believed that Barbara Bateland was in imminent danger Pelice's hands were tight They shrugged and said that they couldn't deploy resources like that unless something was actually already happening. Now yeah, like you could argue that Tony having tried to push his mum already into oncoming traffic would be something having happened and would be worthy of doing this. But I also take their point. L she keeps coming in and like pulling the charges and saying nothing's going on here Just two days before Barbara's death. Dr. Jacobs actually managed to convince Tony that he needed inpatient treatment for his schizophrenia And they actually arranged a hospital bed for Tony to be taken on the twentieth of November But even that tragically would be too late. I'm not sure what the legality of this is in ' seventy two, but Why hasn't he been sectioned? weeks ago? Could there be anybody in history who is more of a danger to others than themselves? I don't know Bring on the off road. Bring home a new hunt great deal on your favorite Honda vehicles, cononquer trails and back roads in cars built for exploring. With the rugged Honda pilot, ridge line, CRV and passport, the road might stop, but you're not done. All from the twenty twenty five Kelly Bluebook Best Value brand on twenty five C consumer Choice Wedge from Kelly Berg, isitPp. com for more information Tony's account of what happened on the seventeenth of november nineteen seventy two is short, sad and incredibly strange He told police he spoke on the phone to a friend in Wales that morning Hu Bizari told him that they'd heard he'd fallen down a lift shaft Tony later made plans for another friend to come over for dinner that evening But when he informed his mother, she seemed annoyed at the short notice After that An argument broke out between them. Although Tony couldn't remember exactly what it was about It only claims that he saw Barbara write a note on a bit of paper for the maid And while I couldn't remember what it said It made him angrier than he'd ever been before He chased Barbara through the flat to the kitchen where he picked up a knife plunged it into her heart. just ones Barbara crumpled to the ground in silence And Tony held her hand as she died And we know that because he writes about it later. He does it in the heat of the moment but it' obviously been building for a very long time but he's immediately like overwhelmed by what he's done. and he says She wouldn't talk to me. she wouldn't look at me. And then she just died For a woman who had spent so much of her life locked in one fierce battle after the next The end was oddly subdued Police found Tony somet time later calmly ordering a takeway while his mother's body went cold in the other room Tony Bakeaklland was charged with murder and held in Brooks in prison For a while, he appeared quite confused and didn't even seem to understand that he'd killed his mum asking several alarmed visitors how she was doing. Tony's mental state seemed jumbled as he couldn't process the enormity of what he'd actually done. In a rambling letter to his grandmother Nini, he wrote the following You know I loved and still love and adore my mother more than anyone in the world During the time preceding what happened, a lot of rather strange things were happening I think my mind was slightly wacky and I was very much under my mother's powerful influence. I felt as though she was controlling my mind Tony also said that he felt as though a weight had lifted from him that we still missed his mother and very much regretted what had happened On trial at the O Bailey, Tony confessed to killing his mother, but he was ultimately found guilty of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility The judge sentenced Tony to receive treatment at Broadmore Hospital, the UK's most infamous top security mental facility for an indefinite length of time. For the next few years, Tony remained chronically mentally ill and had ups and downs A psychiatric report from nineteen seventy three noted how his dysfunctional family life prior to being incarcerated, as well as chronic drug use had exacerbated his mental health issues I don't doubt for a second that there was some sort of genetic component, but like talk about out the frying pan is the perfect storm And obviously we see this all the time with killers. I think with other killers I often think it would be a shorter hop skip and a jump for them to do what they did. Yes I don't think that even if one of these things had been removed from Tony's life, that he would have done what he did Genetics who plays a part the sexual emotional, psychological abuse the neglect from his father and the overimmhment from his mother and the like absolute lack of any sort of actual support mentally or any otherwise, the lack of connection he has with anybody else. Yeah. this was found happen. but I think Had he not been sexually abused by his mother, I think he would have just been an unwell person. Oh, I agree. There are plenty of people who are born with a genetic What's the word? predisposition? Yes, a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia like me don't go onst do stuff like that just become podcasts instead Tony' a psychiatric notes called Barbara, a hysterical, narcissistic and impulsive woman quite incapable of giving a child the minimum of maternal security x was described as charming but capable of no warmth to support his son Tony suffered from marked deprivation of love from both parents and was exposed to excessive intellectual stimulation beyond his capacity to absorb as a boy. In sumary Tody's parents fucksem up big time and that's overarching me more than any other factor led him to where he ended up Tony continued to suffer from the active symptoms of schizophrenia for several years whilst in Broadmore because it was the seventies The Broadmore doctors obviously just basically pumped and full of loads of sedatives And after a while seem to startop doing the trick Tony grew calmer, more sociable and seem to settle into hospital life The notoriety of his case even drew famous visitors like actress Patricia Neil who came along with a friend to meet the infamous Mother Sayer I'm sure she was married to Rdahl I'm sure yeah, I'm pretty familar with Roldar's first wife, I think So those who visited Tony and Broadmore were usually surprised by how calm and clear eyed he seemed So as the end of the decade approached, a group of Tony's loyal friends started thinking it was high time he got out Sike. It doesn't work out well, but fair ds, like a decade later his friends are still like hey man. You got rough deal and we're going to get you after that Yeah. Unfortunately, I do think a hospital is the best place I think it's because he starts to respond to the treatment or he's responding to stability. Yes, because he's never ever had it Absolutely. I understand their reasons for wanting to do this They reckoned The tragedy had been largely down to Tony's toxic relationship with Barbara And now that she was gone It wasn't a risk to himself or the public outside anymore. Now Tony's dad Brooks, because remember, he's still very much alive and kicking dismissively docked this group of friends The Bleeding Hearts Club But these breeding carts had some serious connections. Among them were the aly named Ginty and Hugo Money Coots Gintty mummy coots, literally just Poso mk money bags, isn't it? And yes, they were members of the mega loaded banking family I did London know that the Coots family's name was actually Money Hyphen Coots. Do you think they dropped the money because it was just two on the nose. So using their wealth and influence, Tony's friends put pressure on the top dogs at Broadmore to campaign for his release and his extradition to America But Someone called Dr. Thomas Magwuire was hesitant, insisting they couldn't just set him loose willilly nilly, while us McGuires are on the same side, Dr. Thomers Tony would need a proper transition plan with ongoing treatment so he could adjust to normal society And it's not like I understand where the bleeding harts cos at. But it's not like Everything was completely normal and he developed into a completely well rounded normal person. And then there was a period of five years where everything went really horribly wrong. and those five years, the only factor was his mum who is now gone We are all just a sum of our experiences and you can't just delete them.. Like the reason your mom can push your buttons better than anyone else is because she made them. Like that's true of everybody Yeah, I I don't know Totally agreeed that he should stay in Broadmore. That is where he should be think His friends genuinely just felt awful for him And we're like naive and don't understand the severity of the situation. No Since there was no real equivalent to Broadmore in the States, and Brooks was still refusing to cough up for private treatment, Everyone was stuck in a sort of red tape limbo And if there was one person who absolutely did not want Tony to be released It was his dad Brooks And I'm going to say here Fair enough. ye But also why don't you just pay for your son to be somewhere safe. Anyway, he spoke out against the bleeding hearts and insisted that Tony was in no way fit to be let out, pointing to the aggressive letters Tony had written to his new wife Sylvie from Broadmore where he repeatedly threatened to kill her first once he got out Yeah. I think Brooks isn't great, but I think he's like. Oh thank you And Tony also sent creepy handmade dolls for his half brother Brooks and Slvie's baby son Here are some lovely dolls that you murderous half brother sent from a mental institution Brooks was so hell bent on keeping Tony locked up that he even tried to pay Dr. Mcuire off Dr. McagGuire couldn't accept that because Broadmore is a public institution. Still, the bleeding Hearts Club ignored Brooks and kept piling on the pressure And in nineteen seventy nine, Mcuire declared that Tony psychosis was in remission and said that he believed Tony could live a more or less normal life with enough care and support Most people can live a more or less normal life with enough care and support. That's the problem. Yeah It's just that that's not what's going to happen Dr. McGuire doesn't know that and he finally signed the paperwork for Tony to be released from Broadmore It was a victory for the Bleeding Hearts Club Tony would soon walk free was Tony supposed to go While options like halfway houses had been discussed during the lengthy battle for his release They all fell through Surely they couldn't just drop Tony off in the states and hope for the best Well, yeah, that's exactly what they did actually It was ultimately decided that Tony would go to live in New York City with his maternal grandma, Nini Nini was eighty eight years old and had recently broken her hip She herself required round the clock care So this was possibly the worst decision they could have made and We can be as incredulous as we want. It was approved by the UK and the U.S. authorities. I'm shocked He has murdered somebody. And they're just like,es or whatever And not only that Niny lived in a tiny New York apartment that was barely big enough for the two of them under normal circumstances So That's what it only wanted to be He told everyone once he was out that he wanted to look after Nini like a good grandson would And Ninie she'd been left heartbroken after her daughter Barbara's death, but somehow she still adored Tony. and saw him as her innocent blue eyed boy She didn't blame him for what happened she loved him just as much There's a lot of deilusion I mean, Barbara came from somewhere. Yeah. So in july nineteen eighty and now thirty three year old Tony Bakland Broadmore for New York And despite being a convicted felon from the moment he steed foot on that plane He was essentially a free man away from the jurisdiction of the UK legal system No one had any power over him. Those close to Tony were initially optimistic that this would be a fresh start But his escort, family friend Cecilia Brebner that she could tell that it is a terrible mistake from the moment she dropped him off at Nini's apartment because As soon as Tony got there He noticed that there was a massive portrait of Barbara on the wall And he flipped the fuck out and ordered Nini to take it down. No one doing a house visit? What the fuck are you thinking I know you're eighty eight But like Get someone to take it down It's all just so like deevoid of reality Despite all the doctors saying that so far four months, he had been doing well while off his meds Tony's behavior soon became erratic and alarming Nini told Cecilia that Tony stayed up all night, listening to records on repeat built a makeshift shrine with photos of his mother and candles like a black mass in the living room and was obsessively quoting from the Bible One thing was clear Tony Baklland was not okay. He was a ticking time bum And on the twenty seventh of july nineteen eighty. just six days after Tony's release from Broadmore. The bomb exploded Nini's nurse, Lena Richards arrived at the house at around nine AM to find a frantic Tony screaming for her to get help. Pause He had just stabbed his grandmother Paramedics found a terrifying and gruesome scene waiting for them Blood soaked Nini lay in bed, cowering and trembling but miraculously Still alive. She's eighty eight years old Tony kept shrieking. She won't die claiming he'd stabed her multiple times in the chest, but for some reason She just wouldn't die. Tony had stabbed her eight times in the chest, the arms, the hands fracturing her ribs, but by some miracle The knife hit bone each time A Nini was spared from bleeding out.