Final Thoughts and Case Speculation

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We got the ultimate sampler pack and let me tell you, it disappeared in days. especially the IQ Mix Zero Sugar drink Mix Saches They hydrate you with electrolytes, improve your mood and bast your mental clarity All IQBar products are packed with clean, delicious ingredients that keep you physically and mentally fit, like magnesium, lion's manaine, and more And right now, IQBar is offering our special podcast listeners twenty percent off all IQBar products, including the ultimate sampler pack, plus free shipping To get your twenty percent off, text red handed to sixty four thousand. Text red handed to sixty four thousand That's red handed to sixty four thousand. Message and data rates may apply, see terms for details Okay, hello, welcome back to Roadhed and our unplanned part two on the a forid case, which we had to do because there is just so much information So we just thought it would make more sense to break in two parts. So please listen to part one if you haven't done that yet and then listen to the rest of this episode. ott to make you sick. And we'll still be here So now, coming back to when Celeste's remains were found in the Tesla After she was identified, the people who owned the house that David had been living in hired a missing persononss PI named Stehven Fisher to investigate And they did this because the LAPD was basically telling them nothing giving away absolutely nothing. They were very, very quiet the whole time And the people who owned this house fair enough, wanted to know what the fuck it happened in this house that they had leased out They wanted to know if Celest had actually been killed in their house or not and PI Steve. He turns up a lot of information that he has been very openly sharing You go on his website, he's doing a lot of YouTube interviews, like he has got a lot of stuff. Now obviously, He's a PI, he's not the police, like he can share all this information and you know, I do think he comes across is very credible Hey nice So one of the things that Steve Fisher has turned up is the fact that someone from Celeste's hometown Possibly, he says, possibly someone connected to her school had sent an email to David's management in february twenty twenty four saying the following There's been talk that the artist, D four VD D forid David has something to do with the disappearance of thirteen year old Celeste If this statement holds any merit Please do the right thing and take her home. parents are very worried. Now this person doesn't want to be publicly named, but that reads like a teacher wra And I feel like it's a teacher maybe at Celest school who's overheard kids talking about where she is because everybody wouldn't have known she's a missing person by this point, right And I think they've taken it upon themselves to write this email to David's management to be like Please sort this out And I don't know why, but that email just like breaks my heart And Steve says that he has proof that this email was forwarded by David's manager to him Which? If you remember, came in february twenty four, it came right after the visit from the police, asking if David knew Celeste And this must have rattled David Because the very next day, Celeste suddenly turned up. family'. So I think he's been like, you need to go So We can see definitively peopleople knew His manager knew. David New. People in Celeste's hometown newew. peoplee on Discord knew. Even after all of that. David still continued to pursue Celest Parents apparently took her mobile phone away from her. So David drove all the way. to Late Elzenor and paid a classmate of hers a thousand dollars. give Celeste a new phone that he had bought her That's the classic, isn't it I mean, literally, when I used to do child safeguarding events, one of the Num one signs of grooming is Has a child suddenly got a very expensive phone that they have no explanation for how they got it Grimm There is absolutely no doubt To Celeste, this gesture would have been incredibly romantic. So romantic. can you think of anything more romantic? Your famous boyfriend Drove Like a hundred miles nearly to your school. and paid a thousand pounds and gave your classmate a very expensive phone to give you so that you can continue your romantic love affair is despicable Gadeday grooming this And while Celestes parents, did do the right thing here by taking away her phone I also have to say It really does look like they knew about David He's famous They know who he is, they know how old he is Celeste and he spent a lot of time together Go off for long stretches, like weeks at a time She would spend so much time staying at his place and she even traveled all over the US with him when he was on tour He apparently even brought her to London because he recorded a huge amount of his album in London And he brought her here with him She was thirteen and fourteen at the time which again It makes me feel like there's no way all of the people around him didn't know. everyveryone is coming out now being like, We didn't know how old she was. We thought she was nineteen I'm sorry, whoo the fuck is booking her flights to and from London? It's not David? Somebody else doing that Guess what you need when you're booking a flight the person's fucking passport including their date of birth Like it's such a load of bullshit. How is that possible? How is it possible? And also I look this up, you cannot travel from the US into the UK. You can't travel into the UK from anywhere, full stop as a minor without parental consent. Park You cannot Yeah, I booked a flight from my sister the other day and I had to put her day of birth Of course you do, Of course you do because I have to know the person traveling is a minor. and if they are, they need parental consent to come into this country. How did they do it? Did they fake it Or did her parents give their consent? Again, I'm not like making that accusation of them because absolutely the managers could have done something dodgy, they absolutely could have lied, they could have faked it So many people knew. and the parents like Steve Fisher is quite critical of that I don't know how critical I want to be of them I really don't want to be. because they're grieving, of course, they're grieving But there are some odd things about this case Steve Fisher. Private investigator Steve Fisher says that he has proof that members of Celeste's family visited the house that David was living in that had been rented by his management And again, we don't know who We don't know who. There's a lot of speculation that maybe it was like her cousins and they were just kids as well. But Steve Fisher says, adult members of Celeste family. I have proof they were at the house. Aain he's not the police. we have to take what he's saying with arain salt. We haven't seen that evidence If that is true We're not going to slam them They've lost their daughter, but As Si said quite a few strange details It does seem like Celeste's family knew who David was and they knew how old he was And yeah, they did take her phone away And I also read that Her mum used to sleep in the same room as Celeste to stop her climbing out of the window. There are things that they were trying to do, it seems and I'm not here to certain anit to fucking slam celest. I don't think she was an easy child. I think she was very troubled. She posts a lot on social media about the breakdown of her family, how devastated she was by that probably was looking for love and attention and affection somewhere else Bingo, that's like, you know, a fucking beacon call for a groomer like David, allegedly. And there's like video footage of her like screaming at her next door neighbours using very, very like U thirteen, fourteen year old Lee like language, body language, verbal language L I think she probably was quite difficult to parent But like, she's still a child and she's still your child They did report her missing. That's true. Even that is a bit weird Ty Celeste went home, multiple times during the periods that she was missing She attended her cousin's high school graduation. She went to birthdays, and there's even a video recording of her having an argument with her family's neighbourors, which happens during the time that she's missing If she kept coming and going, Why did her parents keep her listed as a missing person She showed up randomly. They didn't know when it was going to happen Possibly But if it was an open secret that Celeste was with David And as Steve Fisher says, family members had even been to his house Why didn't they just report him to the police evenven if they hadn't been to his house Her mum just says that she thought Celeste had a boyfriend called David. They say that they don't know who he is Maybe, but I don't feel like. I feel like if the kids are school new Cousins would' have known like are we really gonna say that the family didn't know who he was don't know if I believe that. And if they did know who he was, why didn't they report him Pase Anyway, like big questions. And the police only found David, if you remember when the family first report her missing when they go to talk to him because they found his number as one that Celeste contacted regularly. That's why they even go there. It's not because the famies say Go check out this guy Now PID Fish's theory as to why the family reported Celeste missing. And I'm not saying this is my theory. this is his theory He says that they probably only reported Celest missing to keep CPS off their backs because she wasn't going to school That may seem like a very uncharitable deduction do have questions as to why it wasn't stoped. She was thirteen when they first startoped meeting up in person When I was ly my bedime was like nine o'clock. It's just like she just goes. like even the night she dies, even the night she dies, it's so horrific. She sits in that car nineteen miles. That must have been hours. That must have been hours in traffic, all of that. Lake Elsanor is so far from LA It's a school night And like she's just gone. she's fourteen. like How has that happened? And I get it I know I don't have kids, I certainly don't have teenage kids and I can imagine that what can you do short of loc them in their rooms But like I don't know. And there's a lot of people online questioning whether the family knew about it and whether they had been lured in by the fame and the money, maybe they thought Look, it's awkward. now we should report her missing because if they find out and then we haven't reported her missing, we're going to be like accused of being negligent And like in a few years, she'll be old enough anyway, and then maybe they'll get married and everything will be fine, and she'll be married to a rich famous man I don't know and before people attack me for victim blaming. I'm not denying that they too are victims because whatever they did or didn't do, they have also paid the ultimate price in losing their daughter But Celeste. is the victim. She is the one who has lost her life And she was a child And it really seems like her parents and the other adults in her life If it is true that they knew about David, didnid't stop it, didn't report him And they failed her So like I understand I don't want it to sound like victim blaming, but also is there to be no accountability I mean, again, you could say they've been accountable enough they' lost it Celesta is the one who paid the ulimate price While we're speaking about people who knew that this was going on One of the weirdest twists in this tale is that even David's parents seem to have been very aware of this relationship This is David. Take Celeste to his family home so she could meet them My dad has lived a pretty crazy and interesting life. Honestly, you wouldn't know it He can be pretty private Sometimes all it takes though, is a memory, and he's off So this Father's Day, I'm getting him an aura frame. 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But despite the fears and the what ifs, it was all worth it And it helped having a partner like Shopify on our side to help. Shopify is the e commerce platform supporting household names like Heinz and Mattel as well as brands just getting started. It's like having a built in business partner, one that helps you manage your marketing, data analytics, and retail processes all seamlessly in one place. The iconic Shop pay button is converting clicks to sales for millions of businesses worldwide, and yours could be next It's time to turn those what ifs into. We're Shopify today. Sign up for your one dollar per month trial today at shhopify dot com slash red handed go to shhopify dot com slash red handanded. That's shhopify. com slash red handanded My dad has lived a pretty crazy and interesting life. Honestly, you wouldn't know it He can be pretty private Sometimes all it takes though is a memory, and he's off. So this Father's Day, I'm getting him an aura frame. It's a digital photo frame that you can preload with unlimited photos So you can tee up some of his best stories and make sure those memories don't just exist in his head. and aura frrames come with free unlimited storage And you can preload as many photos and videos as you want before it even ships So by the time he opens it on Father's Day, it's already chock full of memories And if you download the free orura app, you can share new photos and videos anytime Named number one by Wirecutter You can save now by visiting auraframes. com For a limited time, listeners can get thirty five dollars off their best selling carver mapte frame code red handed A U R a frames d. com prroma code red handed Support the show by mentioning us at checkout terms and conditions apply Taking the plunge with a new idea is always daunting. When we started red handed, I remember worrying what if no one listens to us? But despite the fears and the what ifs, it was all worth it. And it helped having a partner like Shopify on our side to help. Shopify is the e commerce platform supporting household names like Heinz and Mattel as well as brands just getting started. It's like having a built in business partner, one that helps you manage your marketing, data analytics, and retail processes all seamlessly in one place. The iconic Shop pay button is converting clicks to sales for millions of businesses worldwide, and yours could be next It's time to turn those what ifs into We're Shopify today. Sign up for your one dollar per month trial today at shhopify dot com slash red handed go to shhopify dot com slash red handanded. That's shhopify. com slash red handanded What's happening? in a horrible, horrible way where I, you know think the worst could understand the motivation for Celeste's family to have all out in a horrible way. What is their motivation? What is David's parents' motivations for allowing this to happen There are photos of Celeste sitting with David's family at one of his shows. No. I just cannot believe for a singular second didn't know she was a child. Heiaha educated Not even that you need to be educated, but they are educated people You're telling me that these two sane, rational, educated people didn't have a single conversation with this girl imediately like oh, she's a child I don't believe it. And we're going to go on to see David's parents were very, very strict about lots of things No Their son fucking a child Go unchecked. I do not know Publicly Yeah. It's on socials. it's everywhere. everyveryone knows So let's get into his childhood David Anthony Buck was born in Queens, New York on the twenty eighth of march two thousand five He's the eldest of three children to Darwood and Coleeen Burg And it looks like David honestly had a very solid, financially comfortable upbringing There is no like You know, he's on the poverty line, he's out on the streets, he's being abused. There's none of that. There's absolutely none of that His dad was a litigator and his momum was a teacher His parents were also very religious, and they raised their children in a strict Christian household But it seems like David doesn't even really resent them for that. seems to be very close to his family, and in all the interviews I've seen with him He jokes, yes about how strict his parents were, especially his mum But he repeatedly says, They're the best. They give me stability They keep me grounded. and then my main support system. And when I say shick, they're not like beating him and locking him in a cupbo They're just like sheltering him and like stopping him from like just being a teenager. And yes, like, There's some more crazy stuff with like the homeschooling and stuff, which is like very extreme what they do. But like it really doesn't feel that nefarious I think his parents were just very concerned that their children would fail to fulfill their full potential or waste their time or like be influenced in the wrong way by the wrong people And I think they were also incredibly naive in many ways And like maybe some people will be like, that's too light of a statement. I'm not talking about his relationship with Celeste. I'm talking about other things With the relationship wass less, I really don't know what the fuck is going on there But let's stay in childhood land for now When David started school in New York, he had a pretty hard time He went to a private school and he absolutely hated it In interviews, he openly says that he had no friends and that the teachers picked on him even just as much as the kids did S He was thrilled that when he was eight his family moved to Houston. Here, David was placed in a state school. And according to him, things got a lot better He says he was definitely happier But he still wasn't the most sociable kids I mean, I've been writing poetry for years At school before I was heschooled, like middle school, elementary, at lunch was like my playground. like my brain's playground. Like there's so many different kids and they're all doing something different. And I would just sit there and I would just I'm a people watcher. I would just inspect them and like write them write about them and stuff like that kind of brought these characters to life that were inspired by my classmates. Especially after I got homeomeschool because it was just like four years of straight and nothing. like video games and that's about it. L I was just at home the entire time. So being able to put my brain into somebody else's and live out a different life through the music was like kind of an escape because I wasn't really doing anything. I didn't go outside or anything like that. so I think this particular clip is Very interesting. This theme of David acting as an observer experiences of love and joy and pain continue throughout his life It's like he always talks about himself as someone on the outside looking in, waiting for life to happen to him He never really talks about things happening to him. he says I you know, never had this happen to me, never had this happen to me, I didn't have heartbreak, I never had this watches these people, he watches his classmates. he observes people He studies them. And that's where he draws his stories, his imagination and his inspiration Again. If If there wasn't a chopped dead goold in his car, you'd be like, okay, he's just a big workirky but it all like snowballs into something. more and more and more, as we'll see. And there is a choped doag cull in his car. There is I think it's a mixture of like trying to figure out myself. and then looking at other people's experiences. I mean, because I've never experienced like true heartbreak either. So I write all these songs in preparation for it, so I'm not devastated, you know So I know what to expect. I look forward to the heartbeak. I don't know about the love Bron because it'll make me like Soft. I don't know. I don't know, bro Dog Looking back at it now. Yeah, especially because Wid comes out after Celeste has been killed I have to say, I didn't know who Deaid, David, D fourVD was before all this happened. I literally did not know who he was But I have since sat and watched hours and hours and hours of interviews with him Honestly, I have to be honest He comes across as very intelligent, very articulate, very likeable, and very socially aware I honestly thought Oh my Godd, I'm not going to be able to bear this. He's going to be some sort of eye roll inducing TikTok, nothing S not The case And also How he got to where he got to was genuinely impressive He recorded his first album almost entirely on his phone And he talks so passionately when you listen to him about music, about the way you write a song, about what it means about finding inspiration, exploring great musicians of the past and their work He was interesting I'll be honest He's clearly very capable He struggled to find focus as a child David's parents continuously tried pushing him to do something They put him in piano lessons, he quit, they put him in a choir, he quit put him in flute. quit that as well If I was trying to get a boy interested in music, the flute is not the instrument I would enforce. Apparently he's the only one thats stuck because he says I can still play the flute quite well It seems like there was just a bit of a disconnect for him when it came to school And maybe you could argue that school was just too structured for him But then again You could also argue that he needed more structure and more discipline Either way, his parents decided that David needed out and they pulled him out of school when he's like thirteen, fourteen and enrolled him into fully online homes schoolchs Oh dear O dear India look I just want to be very clear. There are lots of different types of homeschooling. ones that include regular meet upps with other kids. ones that include like you literally do your lessons with other kids are also being homeschooled just in a home environment You know, the ones that prioritize socialization and shared lessons and all of that good stuff Dave it's pro was one hundred percent. Online with no group activities or interaction or mandated meetups with any other children And of first he clearly struggled with this People too, like friends Eespecially when I was transitioning from public school to h home schoolchooling and nobody like hit me up on snapchat when I was like streaking everybody. I had like My snaps scores like two hundred fifty thousand, bro. Like nobody kind like who are you're not in school? Wh'd you go, Dave? Like nobody Like D, did I really have friends? and start you starts a question thing? Oh totally. about your everyday life? It like who really who's really there for you at the end There's a lot of speculation online about why David's parents did this to him People are saying that they knew he was a risk to other kids, and that's why they pulled him out of school whilst other people are saying that they were worried that other kids would lead David astray Personally, It does seem like the latter, coupled with the fact David the parents probably didn't like what was being taught in schools. and they wanted more control over his education which they did achieve. It does mean that for the next four years from the age of thirteen to seventeen David was at home. Every day. on his own. just a computer for company. And this is what I mean by them being naive In what world would this ever be a good idea It's like some sort of horrible social experiment in how you can fuck up a child. And I am not making excuses for David. I'm not saying this one kids get fucking beaten raped abused in all sorts and don't turn out to like chop up a girl and stuff her in his car Like this is not the reason why David did what it did. Didn't fucking help. Because this is the thing. what is so bizarre to me about his parents is, they are so fixated on controlling certain aspects of David's life In the interview that you listen to, he's talking about they like don't let him listen to certain types of music. They're only allowed to listen to gospel and like classical music at home and stuff like that. They're very controlling with that kind of thing Now From the aes of thirteen to seventeenh, well thirteen onwards They allow him unfettered, unsupervised access to the internet Do they not know what's on there? This became a substitute in David's life for real actual connections, which if there is one thing that human beings need more than literally anything else is human connection And David lost it all in a second He lost a possibility of even that in a second also a very, very formative point in his life age of thirteen Wh just screams fucking disaster to me I do have to stress that while this whole situation, this online homeschooling setup, likely played a role in exacerbating his loneliness and his social isolation that he already felt because he was at school and he had no friends anyway As you can hear from the interviews that we have been playing you, He's still very good at communicating with people It's not like going into a hundred percent homchooling system turn him into some sort of awkward freak. Like he is still very articulate. He's very charismatic He's very like, you want to listen to him. He like holds eye contact, he's very engaging Like, it destroyed some part of him But it didn't make him like unable to communicate with other human beings. And it was during this time the time that he was being homeschooled those four years that David got into fortnite Big way. And he actually decided that he wanted to become a professional online gamer He started streaming and putting up tutorials. And he says that the best way getet hit. The time was to add a trending song But then The system changed and his videos started getting copy striked So his mom told him make his own music to add to his videos And soon, David realized that his music was getting more popular It is gaming videos He explains in an interview how he didn't really have any experience with big emotions to base music off. So he just used movies to write love songs. about the characters Yeah, he says in one of the interviews, for example, like one of his really big songs, I think it's Here with you or hereere with mee or something. It's based on like the love story in U because he literally hasn't had these experiences, and he doesn't even have any friends that are having these experiences yet. So he's literally watching movies and then writing songs about the characters all like a desperate bid to find something and he even used the rants of people he played Fortnite with to inspire apparently like playing these like, you know, multiplayer games, you've got a headset on, you can hear them speaking to you and he would ask questions and people would share their like traumas their heart breaks with him And he would just absorb it all and then use those stories T write songs. because he didn't have any of his own And while his popularity with all these songs and Fortnite tutorials and all of that and the music he was putting up on Soundcloud was growing online It was in twenty twenty four. with his song Romantic Homicide David got mainstream attention Right after the Fortnight stuff was going on, I moved to TikTok and started doing the covers because I started out as the meme thing And then I made romantic homicide and it was so different than everything else I had made because it was actually sad. It was slow, it was sad It was emotional. It had weight to it. and I played it for my mom. I played it for her in a car This was like d The song is too violent. You talkking about killing people? An music? No, not my son And I was like, wait, I might be owning something. So I dropped it right after that. And it went crazy TikTok viral. million of youiews overnight. I was like, o yeah, we cook a boy, we cook it boy. So just clip you just listened to, that interview. was given just weeks before he killed Celeste Listen to how together he s And there's more And this bit that you're about to hear is particularly chilling When you know the context becausecause the girl's voice that he is referring to in this interview clip is most likely Celest'. I w wantan to say it is Celeste'. I think it is Celeste. I've heard enough of a voice, I think it' Celeste, but I can't say it for fucking short, But it really fucking sounds like Celeste But there's also that kind of pause where they kind of take every song in by itself and then have this kind of visual landscape in this intlude to kind of be in my head in my mindset and why I wrote the project like this and how everything went just to like keep them even more Interested and connected throughout the project for sure. At the end of the interlude, she says I love you. You don't respond. She says I love you again, it repeats itself and you don' respond. was that done purposeull? Absolutely becausecause the next song after that is this really love? I don't know, canan we play the song? We can probably play the song? I don't know. We're not on YouTube. We should probably be fine. This is the song So Ive got a question Why don't you hold my hands, I mean ious so serious. I have my health your hand ' done I' done. let me think. at a time. It could have be yesterday, though. could have been yesterday. Wow, yeah, I'm glad you remember that.' Ver. He when you say very Pally Visible strength theory. Oh Eactly that. So basically we met 're supposed to meet. Okay we're supposed to be connected. It's kind of like that Iisted and I love you even when I die. Y But yeah, like it's like It's weird it's strange, it's unpredictable. Yeah. So don't leave me. continued to use this as his opener on tour after he killed Celeste. So you know how we have like a bit of a thing before we come out thing you just heard the invisible string theory bit that Celest is saying to him is what people hear before he comes out on stage and he was using it on his wither toour after he had killed Celest while her body was decomposing in his car Allegedly. Allegedly My dad has lived a pretty crazy and interesting life. Honestly, you wouldn't know it He can be pretty private Sometimes all it takes though, is a memory, and he's off So this Father's Day, I'm getting him an aura frame. It's a digital photo frame that you can preload with unlimited photos So you can tee up some of his best stories and make sure those memories don't just exist in his head. and aura frrames come with free unlimited storage And you can preload as many photos and videos as you want before it even ships So by the time he opens it on Father's Day, it's already chock full of memories And if you download the free orura app, you can share new photos and videos anytime named number one. by wirecutter You can save now by visiting auraframes. com. For a limited time, listeners can get thirty five dollars off their best selling carver map frame code red handed That's a U R a frames. com prroma code red handed Support the show by mentioning us a checkout Terms and conditions apply Taking the plunge with a new idea is always daunting. When we started red handed, I remember worrying what if no one listens to us? But despite the fears and the what ifs, it was all worth it And it helped having a partner like Shopify on our side to help. Shopify is the e commerce platform supporting household names like Heinz and Mattel as well as brands just getting started. It's like having a built in business partner, one that helps you manage your marketing, data analytics, and retail processes all seamlessly in one place. The iconic Shop pay button is converting clicks to sales for millions of businesses worldwide, and yours could be next It's time to turn those what ifs into We're Shopify today. Sign up for your one dollar per month trial today at shhopify dot com slash red handed. go to shhopify dot com slash red handanded. That's shopify d. com slash red handed Now let's step back into David's adolescence just the gaming and music that he was doing He himself admits in posts he made online that he started watching Gore content at the age of fourteen after coming across a cartel torture video And in this post, David explains that as he watched more and more, He stopped cringing. And soon found himself laughing He elaborates by saying I watch it to disconnect the part of my brain that feels empathy for the wrong things It's odd There more than not But let' say it's sort because it's like he's actively trying to disassociate with his feelings Yeah, he's like brain training himself. Yeah That's exactly what it's like he's trying to do. It's, you know, if you're trained to be a fucking spy or something whyy is he doing this to himself makes me think of The Ice Man tapes when he is a a contract killer for the mo and is, you know, A psychopath in the purest sense of the word like And he said that he watches videos of bodies being eaten by rats because it's the only thing that makes them feel something I don't know what's going on here with David Because on the one hand, Like we just heard in the clips we played, he says things like he can't wait to feel love, he can't wait to feel heartbreak. Well, he doesn't say he can't wait to feel love. He says he's scared of that but he can't wait to feel heartbreak But then he says, how scary he is of it? But then he's watching Gore videos to desensitize himself from having any feelings Like what's going on here? Like I don't really get it It's like he's training himself for something haps he was just enjoying the gore And then he just noticed later on that his feelings of disgust were gone But the way he tells it and of course we have to take that with a pinch of salt, it's like he was doing it intentionally like he was training himself to destroy that part of himself that was still connected to humanity. Was it that intentional or was he just getting off on it and then he noticed that that sensation was gone. I don't know And also, I do have to say then if we come back to the way in which Celeste body was chopped up wasas his obsession with watching all this go how he knew how to call her So in this parentally imposed social isolation that David found himself in He is very much left to his own devices, quite literally with the internet offering him an open gateway Anything and everything he could use to feed his darkest inner urges completely Unchecked Maybe if he hadd been going to school and he says to somebody at school like this is what I'm watching. The other kid might be like, what the fuck And it might there's someort of like social shame, there's something that would be there to like buffer it It is unchecked, rampant just light pllug me into the internet and all the worst shit I can find out He was also obsessed with manga An anime and he created An alter ego named Itami, which is Japanese for pain Itamy is a bit of a Jekl and Hyide type character. David describes Ittamy as a detective who comes out in the day to solve the crimes that he himself had committed at night And he uses this persona in some of his music videos A Tommy is the villain of this album He's the one that is making me withered and feel these emotions like grief and pain and confusion. He's the one that is weaving his way into my relationships and ruining him inducing trauma and things like that. You see them in the music videos and stuff. so basasically the agion of chaos in this scenario. And I do think that this is particularly interesting because David himself shows this sort of Split personality persona in his real life, this sort of Jacqueline Hye character because in interviews that you watch, like I said, he comes across very often As very mature, very grounded, very humble, introspective, intelligent, like there's no denying it that that's the front that he is presenting You read the things that he's posting on Discord and the way he behaves online It's childish and also just fucking downright sinister. We're not just going to sit here for hours and hours and hours overanalyzing and over intellectualizing all of this When we have so much content to choose from, straight from the alleged horse's mouth. re fascinating to look at. And to help us understand why and how this all allegedly happened So let's start with the question of whether David always planned to kill Celeste By that, I don't mean was this murder premeditated If he is guilty, it is very clearly premeditated Let's say they have an argument. he feels like he's under threat, he invited Celest over and he killed her. and people do wonder whether this was actually the case. If that was true, why did he not already have the chainsaw and the body bags and the paddling pool? Why didn't he have all of that ready if he knew what he was going to do Equally you have to remember that David only had one day between the argument Kell and I just think he knew that he had to act fast because Celeste could go online Any minute bring him down. A lot to lose. Eds have a lot to lose and literally, if you remember His album is coming out days after she starts making these threats So yes, we're not talking about was the murder premeditated? As Hannah said, very obviously so The question is did he always plan? on killing Celeste as inde did he groom her from the start to become his murder victim That's the question a lot of people are asking online because of the fact that a lot of his songs center around the killing of a lover. Honestly, I don't think so. I don't think so And the reason is, not because I'm like, Ohh no he doesn't seem the sort. No I think it's because Nothing about this murder screams of passion A sick enjoyment in the kill It feels Two stab wounds allegedly. againg, we don't know, but you know Let's go with what the medical examiner is saying, T stab words cold, it was calculated, was clinical Almost It doesn't seem like fantasy kill of some sort of burgeoning serial killer. They think about it for a long time. It would have been more elaborate It doesn't feel like that It feels more like the work of a detached psychopath who figured It's either her or me While David may not have planned to kill Celeste from the very beginning of their relationship, it does seem like he spent a long time since he watched that first goore video at fourteen preparing himself mentally Do Something And that's why I guess people are wondering if he did it if he was always planning to kill her, like as he trading himself to get to that point? I don't know. I don't know If he was actively working to desensitize himself It looks like after Celeste's death, David was very easily able to just return to his normal life like nothing had happened He went to parties, he did radio interviews, he went on tour using her voice And there's one video that we've seen of him doing a set after the alleged murder does suddenly start to cry Was that guilt Or was it the pressure suchuch a huge secret Here nice And look, the only thing I will say about it because it's worth mentioning is, yes, there's no there's no passion in the kill itself. I feel like that is irrefutable year is somebody who watched a lot of gol content He didn't need to chop her body up with a chainsaw No, he didn't. He really didn't need to do that So Was he someone that was like after he does it because he has to, because it's to save himself? in his mind, that's how he rationalize it And then does he have fun when he's dropping her up with a chainsaw I don't know. We'll never know the answer to that, but it's worth mentioning. Now another question worth discussing is why Celeste Was David prereferential Pederfile Was he attracted to Celeste because she was a child At first, I thought maybe not I have changed my mind since then Looking at his discord and the conversations he was having on there with people much younger than him He is clearly drawn to younger people. Was it arrested development Was it? the attention and adoration that he got from much younger people Was it because he could control them more easily Or was he genuinely attracted to younger girls Was it all of the above Why There's such a all priests pedophiles. but Priests are more likely to be paedophiles than the average person because they go to seminary at fourteen And that's when it stops And you stay there? Yeah. And thirteen was the age that David gets pulled out of school. Again, I don't wantan to over intellectualize all this I do believe now that he was a preferential pful He even wrote on his discord in one conversation. Girls my age are retarded. Yeah. He says that very, very specifically. When people in there are talking about whether he has a girlfriend and stuff like that he's like, girls my age are retarded And then he kind of tries to play it off as he likes older girls, but that's definitely not fucking true There's no doubt David would have had girls his own age rowing themselves in Probably still h Oh, o yes Oh yes. So went and talk about that. fuck them It seems as if David was always sort of gravitating towards younger teens. And when I first heard about this case and read about that and thought that and read about the discourt. I was like, it was probably because he must be hrested development He must be sort of intellectually stunted and around the age he was pulled out of school. 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Oh, absolutely. my God And I really think The panic she was in when the relationship ended because David ended it and I think she was like, fuck. This was my way out of like my boring ordinary dysfunctional life with nothing. He was gonna to give me everything. I've been to London with him. I've traveled all over the world. Like you know, she was posting pictchures in some nice places. like she had it all evenven though she was obviously in a grimed abusive relationship And when all that goes away, I think She was desperate to hold on to him. And people like she was making the threats because she was going to do the right thing and call the police I don't want to undermine Less, but that's not what she was doing. Why would she go to his house if that was the case? She was doing it because she desperately wanted to keep him and she was using every tool in her arsenal, the threats, the whatever to keep him out of Nivy because she was a child did not know what she was dealing with And there is no doubt at all that David could manipulate Celest Very easily. Oh Absolutely. And if you look at his discord and the conversations that were happening on there. does seem like David Targeted Celeste specifically because of her age. andnt our circumstances Honestly, this whole case is so sad so senseless and It's hard not to feel that David's alleged actions to cover up his abuse of celeste has not only stolen her life is very likely going to rob him of his as well Of course, he deserves that those are the actions he took because sadly, come on, let's be real, even if she had exposed him. Even if she had come out and mean like he's been sleeping with me since I was thirteen, I was a child. He was eighteen His career would have survived Discary probably would have survived that But now Conviction or not's over It's over And I do think he'll go down if I'm honest, but We'll come to that in a second That being said, let's take a look at what we may expect from David's defense, should he have one best bet is to challenge the medical examiner's findings The level of decomposition was so extreme Can the state really be sure about Celeste's cause of death? No not really David's defense could argue that it was an overdose and that the worst thing David did was try to dispose of the body in a panic Text