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Same skills you already have, brand new results. Acast Acast d. com slash advertise Hello and welcome to Red Shir Cinema Club a podcast about fandom and watching movies with friends. We're done with video game adaptations for now, but before we move on to the next big thing, it's time to read your excellent and hilarious emails in an episode we're calling suuper Mailbag bros We didn't come up with that, Sharany Fox did on our Patreon chat. Well done, Sharanee. You're better than us Hello and welcome to Rter Cinema Club. I am your host, Rob Pearson. We are joined today by David Jackson. Hello and Nathan Ditam. Hell. It's time ' a mailbag Super mail bag bros. Aly so. Somebody on the Patreon came up with that. Sa someone on the Patreon. Yeah. your suggestion was what sixteen to thirty four mailag Mails back Yeah, It's a demographic joke. That video game good. That's who plays video games. used to be, not so much anymore.ent the women in. have and it's better for it. I'd love to know what the demographics of the people who listen to this podcast are. think about it. There'll be like Well do you know what? there are who knows But I would say the core community is a lovely mix is what I was gonna say. I think so. yeah Just wically think about the demographic of people who, if I ever get recognized in the street. It's definitely sixteen to thirty four mail's bag. E more older. It was sixteen to thirty four once. Yeah About fifteen years ago. yeah. it's more twenty six to fifty. That's true. Anyway, we're doing Mail bag today. a wrap up of our first foray into the video game adaptation genre. that we have been tackling It's safe to say that the films we've watched in this in this first season haven't been the best. That is fair But we knew that. and we were looking at the first era of video game adaptations Quite a lot of opinion. We're going to start with this email from in Jonathan. Is that's not his name. He is a captain. I did understand. I thought it was a clever joke. This on this is on P commommander. Captain Jonathan says, Hello team. N putting your names in any order here as we absolutely don't need to show favorites Be aware, I do have an order of favorites, but I'll keep that to myself.. Tasing Firstly, this whole email will be about Pokemon and just some information in regards to the recent Pokemon movie episode. I they've just switched off into. Goodbye everyone. I never expected to see this podcast go anywhere near the Pokemon franchise, so I was surprised and excited by this edition. I am undoubtedly a Pokemon fan and have been for more than twenty six years, which is crazy to say out loud. I have competed competitively in Pokemon international and regional championships And for a few years either side of COVID, my life basically revolved around everything Pokemon I don't think it would be a stretch to say that the Pokemon movies are the worst form of Pokemon media released. Brilliant Detective Pkach you excluded as that is a great film and completely separate from the rest. The movies are all set around a legendary Pokemon or two, from the current generation of Pokemon to coincide with the TV show. Both the movies and shows are squarely aimed at children and fans of the Pokemon world already. The show was probably a good introduction for kids to the franchise, but the movies I don't think have ever reached out to a greater audience. Having said that, I remember as an eight or nine year old heading to the local cinema to watch the first movie and loving every moment of it By this point, I already woke up every morning to watch the latest episode on Australian TV before school Basically the movies I feel were just adaptations of the show and not the games. It's always been the way in the show and to a greater extent the movies that Pokemon types and moves don't work the same as they do in the games, which frustrates a lot of people really frustrated me In saying all this, I think the movies are a terrible introduction to the Pokemon franchise. That's enough Pokemon talk though, as I'm sure if anyone is reading this, they are well and truly bored with it I just want to finish by saying, Dave's nodding. Just want to finish by saying I love the podcast. I look forward to ch it on. I look forward to getting to work every Tuesday morning to chuck it on and enjoy the wild treks through a movie and all your life stories, especially imagining what terrible thing Rob did as a child tonot say out loud thirty years later. The topic or movie of the podcast doesn't matter to me It's just about listening to three people. give us a great story every time. Keep up the great work and whichever direction we head to next to the pod, I will be there tuning in, having a great time, sincerely, Captain Jonathan. Thanks, Captain Jonathan. and L drop In the middle there, Rob, that Captain Jonathan's from Australia. Yeah, missed opportunity for you to do the entire thing in Australia Yeah Yeah, it's too early in the morning for me to do that, I think. Also, I thought that if that had been about anything apart from Pokemon, you'd have been much meaner to that letter or male. Why? Because it was quite in depth and the opinions were quite nerdy Wh I am fine with. Yeah, but I like and I agree with the opinions. Yeah about them not doing the types, they should have done the types, they should have done the weaknesses in the film. It's very frustrating. The battles in that film were bullshit Absolutell. I agree, it's a good introduction to Pokemon. someone whose introduction to Pokemon it was. and I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. and as a result, I hate all Pokemon. E Pikachu. Yeah What else are we got in the mailbag? We didn't even make the mailbag noise. No This is a low effort. Mailbag. Maybe I'll put on some super Mario noises at the beginning. Well, this one is for you, Nathan. Well I was gonna to say every time maybe every time a letter comes up, I'll do the noise of Mario coming up a pipe ,oo I for any it. Noise that wasn't once in the film Oh, that's right. What a load of bullshit. Yeah. That's what people were wait Ridiculous. And it was in like ten seconds into the S and L sketch it was in there When the little beer came out of the box, that was what a brilliant moment So make could you laugh all over again. This one is directed at you Nathan, this email. Okay Is it from Do I need to be here because I can just Pokeon letters're supposed be Iny. That's why you're here. I'm here to be funny. Yeah. Oh my Godd. You could have told me that over a hundred episodes ago. been trying much sixty episodes. No Is this friendly, Rob? That's why. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Yeah,ob's chosen it, so try carefully. Yes, okay. she's asking you a question. dream This why you the way you are. This is from Sam. Okay. and he says Hello lads. I've been loving your run on video game adaptations, It pains me slightly that all those early video game adaptations are basically a bit rubbish. Do you think having such a long run of terrible video game adaptations has had a wider impact on video game adaptations today? Every time a studio announces a video game movie now I can't help but think that it'll just be shit And I'm not sure how much having that stretch of rubbish video game movies affects that at all. Secondly, this is a genuine question for Naith I basically spend all my time watching anime. I'm thirty three for reference. and I'm not sure if Nith actually thinks anime is shit and for children or whether it's a bit, because I, along with others in the community would love an anime run of some sort on the pod. Sorry for the long email, you guys are killing it and recently I signed up to the Patreon and would recommend it to anyone I come across. Thanks boys, Sam. So Nathan Is it a bit O is anime shit? Speaking of killing it Do you want to answer that, No I'll go first of while as you think about how to respond? just to say I do think that the long run of video game poor video game adaptations has affected. When I hear about a new video game adaptation, I'm just like, n, don't care Yeah, it's going to be rubbish. Well I think it's kind of chicken and egg, in' it? I think it Those movies were shit because the relationship between sort of more mainstream culture and video games It's always been a bit strange. Yeah. and that is different now. but It's not completely on a power Is Th are strange like we've I've worked in video games for twenty two years And I don't understand legal agents. So no, how the fuck would, you know guy on the street running a Hollywood studio Yeah There's load those guys on the street two different people. that is the thing there's like it's a massive niche, a massive niche still. Yeah. Like I I saw a clip yesterday about it was some member of European Parliament Um lobbying for some kind of initiative to preserve video games and how the burden shouldn't be on developers, obviously Basically like when a game when the server is shut off, you've paid for this game, you own it and now there's nowhere for that game to exist But just the way they were talking and the empty room. with no one else in it. That's quite often just politics, though, isn't it? Yeah It's crazy. The big events are packed and then loads of debate is just like one person shouting at the void. But I know what you mean. She it's bigger than the movie industry now But it still it feels like you're appealing to to the mainstream, despite the numbers It's what's funny is? I wish you could do, you know, like when you get to those programs that visualize your hard drive And it's like So when they say that in the UK, video games is a nine billion dollar industry, that is correct, but it's like, I want to see that graphic, but for one, the games that are actually generating that and the people are playing. So that's be FIFA cod clash of cat clash. a million mobile not a million, but loads of mobile timees.' be that'll be over there. And then it'll be the people that we actually hear from complaining about things or saying that mix tape is terrible, which Rob got some stick for. I said I was Reading the comments I did the AI summary. Oh, perfect. The AI summary, which you can do on YouTube analytics now, which is just and the top thing is criticism of Rob's Choice frequently. Eone are not wondering. Like what's happened? What's happened now on the internet? everyone is the side everyvery single comment It's the same. It does Oh, they've got to rob. They've got to rob. It does seem to be what are they talking about? There's a group of Whatever opinion makers who have made an opinion and we See it washing up on the shore of our comets. It is It's just You've just a you've had an opinion inside a bubble that's what's happened. Yeah didn't It's a which is a nice thing. You've just you've ingested some art, not art because it', you know, you've played a game and it's not a fucking game. you thought about it and then you've said, I really like that. And that was inside a bubble, but outside of the bubble, there's a storm being going on Apparently. I don't know. I don't know either. was what is amazing when you see how close to the same line all of those comments are from people who I'm assuming haven't actually played the thing in question. Well, so probably have. Part of that You know There was a big iceberg wasn't there about ten years ago, an iceberg of wretched video game culture and little bits have just been splintering off this iceberg ever since And for some reason, they're all part of that same whole. I think I think at the bottom of it is social media is designed to make people negative about things. orr certainly that's what creators are rewarded for. So having an opinion that you quite like something Or even just I don't like that and that's fine. That doesn't That doesn't do anyone any good, does it, so Ohead get he made me sad now. We get this. I just imagined a world where the algorithm makers just decided not to reward negativity. I understand that human nature sort of like you know, it is a reflecting our own nature to want to see to enjoy seeing angry people and stuff like that and hearing, you know, funny negivity can be funny quiet It be funny. All the time where you see a headline which is like, this happened and then this and you're like no way. Yeah. I hate that. I'm going to read about it. And then you're like, whyy am I here? What am I doing? But they could have just said we're not going to promote, even though these things tend to do views, we're not going to promote them any more than just happy It's the same level and the algorithms were, let me tell you children. they were like living in heaven. You know what They were so nice. Once upon the time, there wasn't even an algorithm. It was just The the beginning of Twitter, basically, what it did was just connect you with like minded people. Everyone made, in some cases, lifelong friends Yeah, it helped with work. It was amazing for everybody and then I don't understand that either. I'm intensely shy. I don't understand. I don't want to hear from someone on the internet I've never met. saying, I like your opinion and I like you. Let's DM. And I guess maybe in that spirit, answering that question I don't really like anime, but that's all right Yeah, I I was hoping we were going to get round to that So you don't like anime, is it a bit though? My actual yeah, it's a bit. My actual take on animated films is, you know, some of them are really good and some of them are less good like Ghost in the showll. Yeah. and like and I would say that so certainly like In the tradition I've grown up with, most animation is for children Not all of it. I've seen we've talked about Ralph Backsheie's Lord of the Rings. Who is that for? Who is that for? My dad, Ralph Baxhey, I think. And I've watched I watched Akira in the cinema recently. A massive anime. Akira. Air I was on at a little there and I nearly went. Oh man, it's so good. it didn't I haven't seen it since university. and obbviously like one of the things that we've enjoyed probably the most like a little surprise was ghost in the show. What a great film that was. Yeah. I watched Perfect Blue for the first time the end of last year. That was like the three big Um anime like when I was at school. So I've seen them all now. so that's it. I don't I think about themmore love animes. Kids Not kids. grown adults who want to talk to me about Um, like attack on T whatever the fuck it's called or like one piece I struggle with. L it's like coming up and like can we talk about fucking Teddy Ruckspin? No, we can't talk about Teddy Ruckspin. what are you talking about? But that's because you haven't seen it. It would be a difficult conversation to have anyway, right? Because you don't want to see it. there was you There was a action show which had that sensibility and level of ongoing Uh like they' for k I can't I just can't say it anymore cl they're for kids. It's like it's like if someone was It's like you when you tell me about the Clone Wars stuff. Like ultimately that stuff is for kids. Like you know we've got like Matt Elliot, who's been on this podcast, sometimes tells me about a really good episode of Blueie that he's seen. Be of his daughter. And I just want everyone to know that's what you sound like. You sound like you're watching Bluey. I don't watch any Clone War stuff. I think. I watched Rebels, which is set after the Clone Wars. Is that what you're talking about I think it's okay for adults to enjoy things that are for kids. Same But do they enjoy them did they get into them as kids and just carry on watching them? I can't imagineably getting into anime now personally. You know Anime I don't think is exclusively for children. Some of it is specifically not for children. Very much And I do want for children. Sorry, my real opinions are crossing over with the bit which I just can't stop doing I do know that I just don't really He knows. I just don't really care. He knows. It's a bit, but it's also true. It's also true. Right, this next em is from Chris, and he's wading in on the R video games art debate. Oh my God. Chris says, Hello gents. Having recently listened to the Larcraft two Motor episode, wherein Rob expressed his belief that video games aren't art I was reminded of a famous or perhaps infamous essay written by film critic, Roger Ebbt. and he's provided a link, Ebert. And he's provided a link to this essay which if anyone is interested, we might provide on the patreon. His main case was that you can win a game But with stories, novels or films, you can only experience them. He is careful to point out that we can play the definitions game all day and that we can find exceptions to these definitions, of course. But broadly speaking, I think I agree that the nature of a game This is quite a sentence, is antithetical to philosophically or intellectually exploring the idea of artistic expression? H whichich I think means I agree that video games aren't We don't tend to think of football or other competitive sports as art. others can disagree, but I reckon that there are fewer people calling football players coaches and rule arbiters artists than there are people calling filmmakers actors and production designers artists. However, Ebert even discusses the point that Rob was trying to make I didn't make it very well, which is that you can find works of art within things or experiences that we don't tend to consider art. Even if a game of football might not be art, the design of the players's uniforms is an expression of art, the design of the stadium they play in is a work of architectural art, the songs they play, the cheers, the celebrations of victory. Art can certainly be found within gaming experiences and they should be celebrated for their beauty and depth when appropriate. But as long as video game allows for player agency where mechanics are overcome and tests of skill timing, and hand eye coordination are experienced to reach the end, it's hard to think of it as anything other than well, a game. Either way, it is certainly an interesting and subjective exercise in philosophy. Have you read Ebert's essay? Do you have any main talking points yourselves? How wrong am I? Hope you lad's doing well? Chris. That's a thoughtful email, isn't it I like it email. I've not read the essay. I read the essay but a long time ago, I think like a future at some point, it's probably when this was popping off on Twitter. Thanks. I think It's funny that we just talked about Gaming being a Nichian may be difficult to understand as an outsid, especially if you're in the movie industry or whatever. And I think that Eberts I think that he comes in with a bias for movies anyway. I don't think he was particularly pejorative about games, but just that sense that games are mostly about winning, which I just don't think is true. Certainly not anymore. I'mot even sure it was really true then. Eco isn't about winning No, It's about something else, isn't it? And I do think that other games do not exist in virtual worlds which have been completely created by people. So that can't be anything apart from artistry, I don't think. So I do disagree. I think games are art, I think it's beyond question. and And even if they're about winning, it's funny just to rem just like the stranglehold that that particular kind of that is what people see, the competitive element of it brings a kind of suggestion of a simplicity to the whole kind of medium of games. But yeah, I would say even games which are mostly about winning are still At. I'm not sure that that email defined what art was. so it's hard to I mean that's really what needs to be If we just have a good definition of art then I think we could we could make a decision or, you know, agree or disagree. I' personally forward do disagree. I've you know, I've heard before about art is anything that makes you feel Um By that yardstick, and then I think games definitely are out Yeah Talking of Roger Ebert, I had something I wanted to readach out to you guys just because it really made me laugh. I saw it on I hadn't seen it before. but ' this is a podcast about fandom, really? And he wrote fansQuite early on, I think he was reviewing a movie called Fandom in two thousand nine. It was about nerds. I think they go toan San Diego, Comicon or something. I guess from the perspective of someone who'd been in the film Critics business since the seventies and really loved when movies were a big deal, he used to write for a paper. Pe used to like read film reviews in the paper and go and watch a movie at the weekends. That rise of sort of fandom in the nuies, and this is his take on it. It is. A lot of fans are basically fans of fandom itself. It's all about them. They have mastered the Star Wars or Star Trek universes or whatever, but their objects of veneration are useful mainly as a backdrop to their own devotion. Anyone who would camp out in a tent on the sidewalk for weeks in order to be first in line for a movie is more into camping on the sidewalk than movies Extreme fandom may serve as a security blanket for the socially inept who use its extreme structure as a substitute for social skills If you are Luke Skywalker and she is Princess Leia, you already know what to say to each other which is so much safer than having to add libit Your fanish obsession is your beard If if you know absolutely all the trivia about your cuppy hole of pop culture, it saves you from having to know anything about anything else That's why it's excruciatingly boring to talk to such people They're always asking you questions they know the answer to That's quite mean spirited, I think. I thought it was extremely accurate. Even of the things which I'm a fan of, I think that there is like I think he's written it in a mean way, but I think he's onto something. Like I think there's a truth there. Certainly, I mean, if fandom is, you know. is about bringing people together, I think. and And and and it is just a it is just a language, isn't it that people can like he what he's getting at, I think is like, you know, language people can speak to each other, which is safe and gets rid of all the kind of the observation you just meet a stranger. It's good. The observation is good cononclusion is mean Yes, exactly It is true That's why Rob wasn't me. I enjoyed listening to it th then Lxt I need that I need that kind of shortcut because I'm not very good socially. I want to go to palace game. See another man in a palace shirt. Yeah. Eagles Ready to experience something new. All trarails helps you find your next hike Whether you're looking for something nearby or planning a trip, read reviews from real people like you to choose your trail and know what to expect. You can also download the map in case service gets spotty Pl and experience your next hike with all trails. 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We about we probably shouldn't name him, but we talk about someone who doesn't work with us anymore but used to and he's just like someone who's quite good at getting on at work. because it was quite a football heavy culture in the place where we used to work with this guy. He started watching Match of the Day so he could just have chats about football at work for that exact reason because men talk about football all the timeot. I don't think he's alone in that. I I think yeah. that is why people start watching football, I think. Like It's why people watch soaps. It's like a famous thing, isn't it? You go to like work is a famous place where you just need to get ahead. You need people to like you early and you just realize everyone's talking about Eenderss ar Ill watch you standnd And here it's anime. fucking anime But it is it is a shortcut to just being liked. safe thing to talk about where You know, you're not going to get on any sort of difficult ground. Robott he runs into a palis van and he's got twenty things he could say. Oh Matet's off in the summer. Oh, Who's going to come in for Glazner? Glazner's probably the best manager we've ever had, isn't he? Yeah etcetera, et cceter. And that's me as an outsider. Rob'scott dozens. Yeah Yeah, I like blue and red. It Great fandom. mayaybe this is why I'm shy, ' you don't like anything to talk about Teople about rebels? Other children. About what? Rebels?, I haven't seen in a long time Iope that would be a bad conversation. Yeah. This next email is from someone called Matt and Matt is quite annoyed about some bits we didn't talk about when we talked about Labyrinth. Is he annoyed with us or with a little bit annoyed with us?. Hello Rob Nathan Dave. Hell. I have finally caught up with your podcast after discovering it earlier this year. To tick off a couple of previous talking points, I was aware of you from PlayStation Access and I listen to you while I do home shopping deliveries for a supermarket. Ohice So I was able to binge my way through this podcast I was kind of miffed. I missed your eighties fantasy mailbag as I had a couple of relevant things to say about Labyrinth that you either glossed over or missed. one. After entering the labyrinth, the worm says to Sarah. go that way, never goes that way How does it speak that worerm that go that way, go that way, never go that way. go that way. Whis the world. I Whis the gag being that she would that she would have ended up at the castle. Sarah then never turns left or takes a left path when the opportunity arises. Two guards at the riddle door, she takes the right door. Two doors with knockers she takes the right door, implying that she is still listening to the worm's advice. He's just a worm She is also listening to the riddle though those Yeah. So, you know Bear that in mind, but yeah definitely didn't notice that. I didn't knowice that. and I'm not sure it's a thing it is now Number two, I am in the same age range as you and I remember being terrified of a certain bit in Labyrinth when I was a child that you seem to miss talking about entirely the fire gang I don't know why, but it was probably the minor body horror of them being able to take body parts off and throw them in the fire or swallow their eyes and for them to be back in place. O the fact that they then tried to take Sarah's head off that freaked me out Now I don't even remember that bit. Now as an adult, I love this scene and Chilly Down is one of my favorite songs from the movie. The reason my message is titled Boys from the Dwarf, I didn't actually read out there. subject line. Subject line was Boice from the Dwarf. It's because like you, I also love Red Dwarf and I found out by watching bonus features on the Labyrinth DVD that Danny John Jules, cat from Red Dwarf, not only voices two of the members of the Fire gang, but also Cop puppeteers one of them in the dancing scene.ool fiery required two people to properly dance With that being said, and the emergence of Chris Barry on the podcast, thanks to Tomb Raider. I would love to hear you do a series on Red toWarf. You could do one episode from each of the eight series from the original run and do it as you did with Doctor Who. two episodes of the show for one episode of your cast and the Blade Runner esque Back to Earth as a bonus episode I would also love to hear your take on cinema classics like Sitters and Cane, the Maltese Falcon and Casablanca. You know, the movies our generation has been told are the best in cinema history keepep up the good work all the best Are the best films in cinema history. They're so good. Well, maybe not the best. But they're really good I think I've only seen Casablanco of those. N And I was say I was blown away by how good it was J as a young man who assumed that black and white movies would be quite boring. Impenetrable. And I just absolutely loved it. Maybe as a genre we could just do some black and white movies. Yeah. The best movies ever. From old from the old tim. War. Yeah. And we must have spoken about Red Dwarf on the pod, which is why it's come up, but yeah, who has seen whoo likes? I used to be a massive fan of Redwarf. You absolutely love it. But they used to be like different I was never into it It was on British TV on mainstream TV at a time and that's when I ended up watching it. And I remember it jumped around between series and sometimes Crrightton was in it, sometimes he wasn't. Sometimes there was a woman called Kchansky Christine Kachchansky. you've seenimes there was in a later series maybe. Uh on I Um reallyally love Red dwarf. I don't think I've seen the first season And the ones that stick in my head are all the bug seasons when they're on the bug. When they lose Redwarf? Yeah, when they lose Redwarf, thoseose are the ones I really remember. That was probably when I was sort of most into it. But I loved the sci fi in it as much as anything. It had really interesting ool sort of sci fi m. I feel like I probably said this last time it popped up on the pod, but I was On Audible, you can get just the audio of the first eight seasons. All right So I was really listening. And actually like I take them off EHS and did the same thing when I was a kid. I used to go to sleep listening to them when I was younger. so it reminded me of that. But the plot the storyies like in kind of all the way through really, there's some real like sci fi grriit to them. They're really good. Yeah. The first two seasons are like different production design and the lineup's not quite there. So Kat's around, but he's not really part of the team in the same way and Crrightton pops in for one episode then They bring him back for the beginning of season three, they have a bit of a reset. and that season three, four, five, six, I think often seen as a classics and after that one of the co creators left. And I don't think it was ever the same. I remember theitt bitter disappointment with him seeason seven when I was a kid. Yeah. I used to have ye A t shirt with in Infinity Welcomes, careful drivers written on it. Even the cat, I just think is a really cool idea. It's just a cat, the cat that's evolved. The ship's cat evolved over thousands of years, however long that is that they're in cryo sleep and Ho' such a great again, like variation on how, just a super intelligent computer that's just been alone for too long has it? Yeah Gotten stupid I'd definitely watch do a reed dwarf season with an episode orange season. I just can't remember it well enough. All I remember is really loving it. Yeah the for the time I saw it. It's an amazing ensemble cast. It's like It's got the vibes of Rick and Morty before Rick and Morty. I just a funny thing with with that says it's a comedy, but really it's got really intelligent and exciting science fiction ideas quite a lot of the time. Yeah and I and and, you know, Low budget in a charming way. like it looked cool, but also sometimes they're just taking the piss out of their own set and stuff, you know, the ridiculousness of the ideas they're trying to convey on with just some you egg booxes that are painted or whatever. it's cool. I remember Craig Charles killing a computer with some chewing gum at one point, right I don't remember that.''s I saw watch. There's a computer that can tell the future and she tells Craig Charles's character. I can't remember his name. Lister. Lister She tells him, you're going to kill me. he's like, I'm not going kill you. And he just puts his chewing gum on the wall and it falls down and causes like a ridiculous reaction that just fes her circuits. Great moment. Anyway, next email, this is from Julie, a childhood Pokemon fan. Julie says, Hello. I'm writing in to represent the I watchatch the Pokemon films as a kid masses I also really liked them, re watchatched them often when I was we, I'm guessing Julia Scottish. and even enjoyed rewatching this one at the weekend. I was quite young at the time, three when I first saw this one via dodgy cinema taping. Thanks granddad Being too young to have played the games, my only prior exposure was the series and so I was completely unbothered by any inconsistencies. My main memory of this film from my childhood is sobbing when Pikachu starts crying pooor old Pikachu. Childhood trauma aside, the Pokemon card craze was also big at my school and so I have many fond memories of saving up pocket money and trading cards at primary school with me with my sister. Many happy years of Pokemon memories from this listener, although shamefully I've never picked up one of the games. Best Julie Thatusts like me, I've painted a lot of wararhammer dwarfs but I've never had So like I like the innocence of that. like, you know, not bothered by O fire should be weak to water. Right? justust liked it as a kid. liked the film cried when Pikedu cried enjoyed swoppping the cards on the playground. What a great character Pikach she is I really love your wholesome like for Pikachu. It was just something that came out of this se. There's my favourite thing that's happened in this series actually is you liking Pk 's a good lad. I lad I looked up the scene. I don't know if I told you. I looked up at the scene from the TV show where He chooses not to evolve. Oh right. He's been beaten by another badly by I guess an evolved version of another boat and he's like in a hospital bed. Yeah. And he's like And Ash has the whatever it is The Thunderstone. The thunderstone that will evolve P you. And Pict she's like gets h. And I think he slaps it out of his ash's hand with his tail. It's like No, I'm gonna fight. And they're all like, Oh my go, he doesn't want to evolve. And he's really brave. And then he goes and he's really fast. you think he's really quick Yeah, he manages to win and the lesson is Don't just evolve and be big. Yeah. sometometimes you got to be small and fast. Oh yeah, you're right. because I think that the specifically the problem with the training of the other Pokemon was that it evolved too quickly and hadn't developed some of the speed that it was necessary a are less evolved Stage. Yeahah Amazing. veryer emotional edits of that whole thing on TikTok, if anyone wants to go and investigate them. No No way anybody in this room is picking the thunderstone up and shoving it down his throat. You don' get a say, Pikachip G I want. Oh I see what you're saying. were tr. You're evolving. You're evolving. You're mine. That' in the ball. That's not their relationship. That get in the ball. Its I in a t shirt with pkaches hand around its neck, G in the ball T. Oh So I just images of ash force feeding pature. Oh wow. We only need to know a little bit about cultural phenomenon to r it for ruin it other people. There's a whole other episode. you probably aren't aware of the Pokeon Evee. It can evolve into multiple different types of Pkeon depending on the stone that you give it. So give Evee a waterstone and it will evolve into Vaporion or a flaming a firestone you evolve into flar on. and there's a big old party where everyone This weird rich family. they all have EVs and they all have an initiation ceremony where they will take their EV's and give them a stone. And they evolve into something different And there's a little kick called Mikey who has an EVe and it's his favorourite Pokemon. He doesn't want his Evee to evolve. And the moral of the story is don't force EveV to evolve E's like the second's like the B mascot. after Pikachu iss Evey You've made it sound like gender reveal parties for Pokemon. H's a bill like that L you're gonna be you get fire you get shoose You get to choose. Does Eie get to choose though I feel like Evie's just like he does get to choose in the end. they all apologize to Mike and they're like oh, sorry, man Yeahah, we shouldn't have forced you to try and make your Evie evolve if you don't want to. That's fine I also watched a clip where they go to like the valley of Pikachs And there's just loads of peikaches running around. There's Riches there as well. and hero Pikachu goes behind a rock Ru comes back and they're like, o my God, didid he evolve? And Ashy's really sad and then P she's just somewhere else It sounds a little bit like you've been watching Pokemon just so you know. Just only on TikTok. Do you do you want to R He's been playing Fal FantasyI? Yeah. re your earlier answer about watching anime? Yeah, but the whole time I was doing it, I was thinking this is for fucking children You just hate watching it Yeah you hate on Hampers League final? Yeah, of course they did. Yeah. couldouldn't happen to a nicer player than Gabe who's been fouling people and laughing at people all season glad that happened. I don't want to be unkind. He's tried his best It wasn't good. I was really sad for EA It's gott to stop doing that run up though. Yeah. Anyway. It's next email us from Chris Chris's dad wanted a nap Here we go Hello book for Matt. Hello RND. Enjoyed this series a lot, but especially the Pokeoon episode because it's the only one of these films I've actually seen. Although there's something to be said for listening to you talk about a film when I have zero context. Anyway, it was also the first film I remember seeing at the cinema. My brother tells me we did see the Phantom Menace before but I have no memory of it, so read into that what you will My dad took us and slept through the entire thing Something he still proudly remembers to this day, which I think is pretty impressive given it's only an hour and a half long. What's more surprising to me is why we went to see it at all. Our first console was a PS one in nineteen ninety nine. ourur first experience of Nintendo was the W in two thousand eight, and we never played any Pokemon games or watched the TV series. Presumably my dad just fancied a nap But I now have a one year old daughter, so I get it. One day I'll take her to see Minecraft four or Super Mario five and I can also finally get some shutye Trace PS, have you ever considered an Edgar Wright series We have actually. Yeah, we have we have. You know, that reminds me of having a young child myself and going to watch animated films in the cinema. I guess like only because it's relevant to that thing of what do I think about animated films, I only wanted my kids to watch good animated films. so we were like wouldn't a long pretty basic lines like didn't really go and watch DreamWorks movies. although I did Talk about like the brain numbing experience of got to watch Madagascar three, or I guess it was with Yeah, for a secondcus d d d d I said, have you'd give me the same look you were giving me last time. so I remember going to watch what buying the DVD's for I had Toy Story anyway, like finding Nemo was like a massive one for my son when he was younger. Cars was the biggest one. I remember really clearly Being in the cinema with Jay watching Cars I don't even think it's that good, but he I'm a lifelong fan of that movie now because of that. So I did have did I do like animated films and I have I think classic Disney's great. Modern Disney's a bit funny, isn't it? A bit rubbish in the nineties and nineties and the eighties. Anyway, so I do. I do care. I like human being. You got experience it this dayave, Is there anything you like to do that's like, ah my little treat to myself? to get, I don't know, a little period of sleep or rest with a one year old. No, not yet.t I haven't figured any of that out. I mean, he u he It's too powerful. I don't really like it, but he will watch M Miss Rachel more than anything else. I don't know if you're aware of Miss Rachel. She's like an American Uh you know, kids show, lots of singing and just it's like it's for kids of his age, it's like really basic like A' for Apple. Can you say Ale like that kind of stuff? But Apple. The television has been on around him and he's Not show much interest, but Miss Rachel goes on and he's just like he just stops and stares, slack Jaed. Dangerous. And it just feels horrible, but also I do sometimes need to use that when he's like you's trying to change him and he's like you think what do you think he's less damaging? I've often thought about this as and bear in mind It's been a long time since I've had very young children, so I might not be as sensitive as I once was If you just had like a cushioned soundproof box with an oxygen supply Yeah and you could just put your child in there for half an hour. and it might go nuts. It might be really sad. Yeah. But basically it's going be fine. Yeah. Is that better or worse than letting it watch YouTube Well, I don't know. I don't do you want me to make you that box? It's difficult because you know, the government have now specifically said that you're advised that you shouldn't let your kid of his age watch the television unsupervised. That's just like full stop and for more that for no more than forty five minutes a day And I understand like this miss Rachel thing, I think is genuinely educational and nice and he is learning things from it. But I think the point is like it's like TikTok. get educational things on Tch TikTok, Ill learn recipes and you know, but it also makes my brain switch off. And I think that's the kind of dangerous thing. And so I don't know how I feel about it. It's so useful to be able to just get him to be calm for like now you've mentioned the government is legislating. I'm thinking maybe we should go into business with this box. And I would say with the box. Yeah And I would say that the box is your brain is not switched off. You're never more alert than when you're trapped in a box. Yeah it could be great for the kids. I thought the box I thought you were proposing a box with a screen in it. So he's very comfortable and safe. because if I leave him in my living room, I have to rush out and rush back because there's a chance he's going to have, you know Un let' just strap it crawled off the Yeah, but I thought the box was just like the other prime Miss Rachel viewing. No the box is like a sensory deprivation t. Right. But I don't know if that's good either. I think I think senses should be activated in children probably right? We We can put some smells in there and random You put some smells in there. Don't worry about that. Just some noises. Every ten seconds just a noise goes in. Yeah ye. It can slowly fill with water But basasically I haven't discovered a way of sort of like getting a nap or something. I think he's too young for the cinema, or certainly it would stress me out taking him to the cinema if he's just not interested. and even though they have like kids showings where that's the whole point is that everyone there might not be interested and it'll be noisy and whatever But then also if he's not meant to watch TV, he's probably not meant to watch a massive screen for ninety minutes. So But I am so excited for a time when I can take him to the cinema. I literally cannot wait for that best, the most reliable W watchatch anything he wants to watch, right? The most youve got to have standards. the most genuine NAP strategy was walk in a buggy Yeah You can't nap though when you walk No no, no, but then you come back silent entry back into the house Yeah because they ucking no when they're back home.' like I'm awake again. Yeah Leave them in the porch, go immediately to the sofa. Yeah. let their cries wake you up and they are strapped in to the buggy. so they'll be safe. That's fine. Yeah. And my daughter, as soon as the movement stopped, she wouldd wake up tricky As soon as it stopp They know. Yeah You can get these like auto rocker things, rightt you could put little vibrating Chairs. Yeah. You get this sort of egg that you hang off your cram and it just baby. That's it. Sorry, what am I thinking of? Why do you have an egg? It vibrates. Oh I see. And it keeps the pram moving so that the kid thinks that they're still walking around, but they're not. Because there is a part of you when they wake up once they've stopped where you're and I know Rob used to feel this where you're like What? perf you're personally aronted. Why? Yeah? Why Why are you awake? It's the worst. This is I've taken you for a whole fucking walk. Yeah. What the fuck is this? Just because you're not moving. It's so in it's so strange to be able to love something so much but also hate that they're awake You know, thesic part I love when youreleep. My oldest kid is trying love my and that has not janged And luckily he sleeps all the time. Now this isn't fair anymore That's not true, right? We've got a couple more emails to get through. This one from Sam who says Hi lads Another great series in the bag I've really enjoyed this season. Excuse me, especially Dave's incredible loathing of the Zooper Mario film, which It' my shame I have not watched yet. However, I think that made his descriptions of the torture that was seemingly inflicted on him even funnier and from your guys' descriptions of that film it sounds like the most insane Fver dream piece of shit film I've ever heard of. That is accurate. I also loved the pitching your own adaptations Patreon episode, Seth Rogan in Fire Watch directed by Alex Garland sounds fucking incredible I could spend hours coming up with adaptations that I would love to see, but the first thing that jumped into my head Destiny adaptation called Cade. foollowing the early life of Cade six, The Hunter Vanguard, if you can't remember who he is, played by Nathan Fillon, as he originally voiced him, and directed by Denny Villeneuve. It would be a gritty sci fi action drama dealing with the morality of transferring consciousness into robots to avoid death and accepting mysterious power without knowing where it comes from As some of its main themes I'm out C on now. mean? Oh, why boy because I don't like Cage six. All right, now it's directed by . As for recommending films for another video game season, I have quite an abstract pick. I very recently watched a film called Hundreds of Beavers. I doubt any of you will have heard of it. I hadn't either until a few days ago. And while it is an adult film and while it isn't actually an adaptation of a game, I have never watched a film so chocked full of video game references, mechanics and inspiration done in such an amazingly funny and inventive way I was logging it on letterboxed and the first review I said I saw said secretly the best video game movie, not based on a video game ever It was released in twenty twenty two and it is a silent film about a drunken Applejack salesman who strives to become America's greatest fur trapper after his cider orchard is destroyed by beavers. Yes, it is as insane as it sounds. I've linked the trailer at the bottom and I truly cannot recommend you at least watch that. It is fucking madness But it's also fucking incredible I know this stretches the video game adaptation criteria quite a lot, but if any film was worth doing it for, it's this one. hope you guys are all good and life's treating you well. all the best, Sam So we got we got to watch a film. You wear this movie Beavers, Nath. I was aware of it, but without having investigated it at all. hundredundreds of beavers popped up. It sounded very sort of you know, Looney tunes or AcMe or whatever, like Ela Fud. Yeah, J kind of a kind of funny self aware video game plot, doesn't it? This has happened to me. and so I have a chip on my shoulder and I'm gonna do this completely opposite. What chip on my shoulder What's the next mailbag, Rob? The last mailbag for this episode is from Mark Allen It says Oh I hate I hate how's it, but he says How's it? twice at the beginning of this email. I think it's, you know, he might be Australian. I think it's more. That's the only time ins more C How's it? How's it red shirts? Mark Allen said I really loved this run of movies because they all felt low stakes and were enjoyably weird. It's a stressful time of year and I look forward to having something to watch each Sunday that wasn't a heavy lift I remember some of these movies from when I was a kid. Mortal Kbat came out when I was two By the time I was in primary school, it had somehow become the movie. peopleeople were sneaking copies off to each other so they could watch it without parental supervision. It was edgy and cool and violent in my memory in a way it wasn't when I watched it a couple of weeks ago, but I guess we all somehow knew the games were graphic and so the movie got some of that shine and interest. Thinking of game movie and TV adaptations now, I feel like I am less interested than I was because games have become so cinematic anyway that I would rather play the game than see it as a movie. I never saw the uncharted movie, but when it was announced I replayed the series. When the last of us came out, my wife and I played the corresponding sections of the game before each new episode What that show made me realize is I am interested in stuff that takes place in the world of the game but doesn't repeat the story, like the Bill and Frank episode. I feel like there could be a great show about control, for instance, which has Jesse exploring the bits of the oldest house the game doesn't cover As always, enjoy the pod and hope you are surviving the heat mark Mark, Nnook' Mark Allen. I think that's an interesting email. because I definitely agree with the whole You know, the uncharted thing. The Uncharted as a video game is so It wouldn't exist without movies. it's It's cinema distilled into like this, really exciting, thrilling, interactive form And when you put it into when you make it a movie again It's like you're It's like you're sivving out a magic ingredient, the interactivity and you're just left with a version of the inspiration that birth to it in the first place. Yeah. It't yeah, I agree that you know, I'm it really thatination. It's definitely it's exactly how I feel about Star Wars. I'm interested in that world. I'm not interested in that more of that story. It's like the fact that all, you know, the first nine movies were all still we're all centered around the same characters and it felt like Andor is such a, you know, obviously we always talk about it, but it's it's in that world but really has almost nothing to do with those characters. Some of the events are obviously are linked, but I really enjoy just seeing the world and seeing how people live and seeing different struggles And I love the idea of just like a video game adaptation that is just like wouldn't it be interesting if the Last of Us was just a new story in the world of the Last of Us, but didn't involve those characters and There was definitely like a lot of excitement, I think, amongst gamers when the last of us was announced to be able to show their non gamer friends this This video game reallyally that's very heralded and rightly so is brilliant and incredible storytelling But at the same time For me personally I think that world is interesting and I would have enjoyed just maybe as much or more, just seeing different story. It's funny because you sidestep the big problem of adaptation, which is it's not how peopleople thought it would be in their heads or it isn't how for books and then or is not. it was in the game that you know, the first instance, the thing that you love from it. The thing I put up a thing on the Patreon a few weeks ago, which I'd written about ten years ago for something on the internet. but it was I think the Assassin's Creed movie just come out And just touched on that point, Rob, because I think that they'd already announced that uncharted film is in development. and that the Last V was in development. and in that time the Last of us was in development as a Sony Sreen Gems film. so they kind of do I think they did the until Dor movie. and it was like a Sam Ramy production. So it was very much U kind of like commercial U but maybe like more exploitationy kind of horror And it didn't seem quite right. and I think that I don't know why it went wrong in the end over there. but When it came back, it was an HBO series and suddenly that kind of makes more sense. And we kind of talk about that alignment of video games and wider culture I think maybe even as long ago as that, you know, ten or fifteen years ago when they're talking about making the L of us into into a TV show It's No matter what standing something has in the video game world, once you put it into mainstream or Hollywood, it's basically a piece of shit you know, like this is the The Citizen cane o. this is like a prestige video game with u incredible performances in a brilliant story It goes through the filmmaking sausage machine and it becomes like a Sam Ramy self aware zombie movie And something changed where actually then it became something similar in the TV world where it became an HBO series with incredible performances and U I think it did something, you know, it's classy even for TV, right? Like And that that's interesting. But with uncharted to your point, Rob I don't think there's well there is I'm sure that you could do a version of it that would somehow be as self aware and as fresh as the games were Games but they they really only do that space for telling that story in that way that felt so invvigorating and charming really only exists in video games on an obvious level. And you're right, once you collapse that sort of endless sort of reflection relationship between video games and films What is what are you bringing back to the film? You know, some quite generic bare bones bits and pieces which and couldn't recommend I wouldn't recommend like if my mum's never going to play the last of us. Right. But I might say the story, if you want the story, they've done a really good version of it on TV She's never gonna to play Unched either, but what' she getting from the Unched movie? You as well watching Jan Jones, you know, I think Yeah. It's different thing and I agree. I've never said that before. that's weird different thing. Yeah, I thought it was weird. Yeah, it's weird I don't know what to do with it. I said it now. I don't say things. I don't know why I said them. Before we leave because I don't think Rob's going to go to the cinema to watch the Mandalorian and Grogu mov. Oh he hasn't said either way. No, that's true. But we were thinking about doing it for an episode. But I want to know what you thought about it. Well, I don't want to say in case might we could just do an episode that's just you and I The bonus bonus episode, bonus bonus So but I did go this weekend to the cinema to watch it. hough because I thought we might cover it in the podcast. Yeah, half because your style was We took our son to see his gran and she was like, I'll look after him this evening. And I was like, Oh my Godd, let's go to the cinema please.. It was that or I can't remember what the other option was, but It wasn't like a good option. Yeah. but shout out to the Omniplex in Rubbery. Fantastic. saw it on IMac saw on IMX. Oh wow. That's good. Yeah. loveovely recline. I could have had an n. let's put it like that. I saw some good films coming out this summer. Disclosure dayay I really want to see. ten days New Steven Spielberg sci fi film. that feels like quite a momentous occasion. It is big. Yeah, I agree We haven't figured out what how we're going to whether we're going to do that on the pod or not We do know what we're doing next, right? Yeah. whichich is we're going to do a season on Christopher Nolan, which we've spoken about previously and we're going to finally done it, everyone. We finally become three Ely middle aged white guys. talking about Nolan movie. Let's talk endlessly about his use of time. What an incredible technical. I'm good. I'm good. I'm prepared to I'm going to be shooting shots I love his films. I might write a bingo card of bullshit things that people say about you know what I mean? Like that's a good idea. Serious podcast to say about no I'll make nine three D't tell us what's on the binger card and if If we accidentally say any of them, you got you got a line go off. Yeah do that wom, I've just given a few of them away We could put it on the patreon and people at home can play along. That would be great. That would be funny. So we're going to do that and like in the build upp to the Odyssey, we'll try and make it end for the Odyssey, but it depends how comprehensive we want to be. But we should have the Odyssey being the season finale, right? Well that's what I' saying but then we won't be able to watch all of the films. And I don't know. We could watch the Odyssey