Discussing Iconic Horror Movie Moments

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Call one eight hundred granger, clickring. com or just stop by Granger for the ones who get it done . Welcome to Real Talk with me H Radossdy and Jonath mean, Ross and you listen to our podcast where the two of us chat about the films and TV we've been watching this week and we talk about new releases primarily or stuff that's just dropped. If you want to catch up on the latest episode we covered. bra Thend new scary mov ie that's out in cinemas right now, so if you've been missing that franchise, she's back and maybe not better than ever, but she is back . We also talked about Spider Noir, which is the Nicholas Cage Sony installment of , I guess, a take on Spider Man. It's like an alternative universe version of Spiderman. And I spoke about finding Emily, the brand new Romcom that is out in Cinema's right now, which I love. And thank you for being in touch and if you'd like to get in touch, which we'd like you to do as well, please give us a follow on Instagram where we are at RealTalk Was and you can DM us there and we do read all the DM's . So should we talk about there's a couple of exhibits I watched this week that we didn't cover. I'm very excited to talk about Toy Story five next week although which I saw a couple of weeks ago and it is good but there's still an embargo so I'll talk about that in the next podcast but I watched a thing called The Shadows Edge which is a Jackie Chan movie I watched. I think it was on one of the streaming platforms. I think it was on Apple, but I think you can find it on all of them. Some of them you have to pay one of them is probably free. It's really good. It's really good. It's the best Jackie Chan film I've seen for years. That's amazing. And it's really interesting. It stars him and a guy called Donny Yen, who 's another big star from the same period of Hong Kong cinema. This is obviously got Chinese money behind it and it's kind of it feels to me like it set more in mainland China than Hong Kong. Here's a kind of cop who's been pursuing this old really kind of highly skilled , immoral , very kind of, you know, brutal and clinical , murderous criminal . He's been on the run for a long while with his team around him. And what's interesting is it's kind of it dragged a bit in the first third, but then it really kicks in the gear and it becomes really interesting because it's a battle of wits between Jackie Chan and Donnie and they meet and then you can't work out whether he's figured out who Jackie really is yet. He's a cop. He's potentially someone else and they have a conversation over dinner with Jackie's daughter there and it's like, has this guy got their number? Is he setting them up for some sort of like brutal demise or have they managed to fall him so they can get cl tooser him and finally bring down his organization because he's incredibly hard to pin down. He involves he's in charge of kind of an orphanage of broken boys that he's training to be his successors. Oh tech kind of savvy and obviously good at martial arts. So what do you say orphanage of broken boys sorry, not to break your flow like a like a load of broken biscuits? Well, they're broken because he's I think he has he has basically raised them towards crime. Okay. They're not kind of fagan type moments of lost boys. Sort of lost boys, but I prefer the phrase progress boys is great. I haven't heard that. Broken Boys Academy. Can I help you? Anyway, it's it's really good. It's really good fun and I mean, you know, like it's slightly superficial in that obviously there are long fight scenes that could be a lot shorter and they're there sure'.s a There neat ness to some of the plot twists that maybe is not very real well, but as a kind of a gamey, big glossy action thriller, it's better than most that come at Hollywood these days. Well, that sounds really fun and really promising. And it made me think, okay, I keep forgetting that, you know, I mean Hong Kong cinema has gone off the boil somewhat. It was a period in the eighties seventies and eighties was a golden age. And as you know, Japanese cinema's somewhat off the boil as well, I believe, Korean cinem a's great these days . This gives me hope for what's coming out of China, but it made me think there must be more of these modern crime because I've seen a few that came from different parts of that part of Asia. And so I looked online and there was a Korean crime thriller series that looked really good. First one's called The Outlaw and then there's two films made in the same world with different titles and they starring the guy who's the big actor who's in Trenton Basana I think. And they've all got like ninety percent of what Tomatoes. They all sound great. You cannot stream them anywhere in the UK . I've tracked them down on DVD. So I'll have them to watch and I'll watch them and the minute they're available to stream here, I'll talk about them and steer people towards them. But they look great. Yeah, you can spread the good word. That's really good to know. Thank you. We got to talk about a very sad but beautiful moment in television history. The hacks finale. The hacks, the finale of series five, the last ever one. Oh my god. We followed the stories of Deborah and Ava Ava both incredibly sort of likable characters. Soberly. Well drawn, both full of, you know, different kind of like flaws, but also both with great strength s as well. You kind of we both fell in love with them, didn't we? Oh my God, I care about them so deeply. It just feels like I've lost two dear friends. It's so beautifully realised and so cl assy to end on a high. To end after five seasons, I just absolutely applaud it. I largely agree with you. There's one bum note in the winding up at all I'm afraid. Tell me. Well it, becomes almost like like sort of rather silly sitcom territory. The agency. The agency. Yeah. The way the agency's storyline is resolved is like so neat, so kind of unconvincing. I knew it was gonna be so silly and there were plot holes with that where you're like, well, if you've just done that, you're going to be carrying all the baggage you've just identified onto that next chapter. Yeah, we'll never see that get resolved, but sure. But it was fine , but the actual heart of the whole hacks kind of thrust of the story has always been those two women . And that storyline was like beautifully resolved in a way which was both felt quite real but also felt really charming and it was heading towards a greater sadness, but they pulled back and instead it's more of a kind of human ending. Yeah . And it goes to show the ultimate lesson that Deborah has learned from Ava, which is kind of a softness and a humanity . Well, yes and no, because I came up also thinking that it was very true to what she'd always been, which is she's obviously lived really or I think her greatest achievement . I mean, she loves her daughter in it and she's proud of that and she reconnected with her, but her greatest achievement and her greatest love has been her career and her work. Yeah . And she says rather telling. I don't want to give the way, but she basically, you know that she's going to turn what's currently happening to her a big final special . And so in a way, she's learned from but at the same time she's just kind of like not ready to give up because she's had her eyes opened once again by Ava to her own possibility. Totally . But also that thing of kind of putting vanity aside and actually leaning on people and not being kind of this ice queen and boxed off and I'm going to keep sticking around for these people that mean something to me. I'm interested because a lot of people listening will have already seen hacks. A lot of people might have thought, Oh this isn't for me necessarily . So you wanted to watch it with your boyfriend who hadn't seen the early episodes so you got him to sit down and start watching at the beginning. Did he love it? He loved it. We watched the whole thing in about two weeks . Good. Because it's half our episodes you can absolutely fly through it. I think I love it a little bit more than him because I think it is so exactly it's so for me. You know, it's not Joke a minute. It's not like thirty Rock in terms of obviously it's about the industry, but it's not like you know thirty Rock has just multiple layer visual gags happening kind of every twenty seconds, whereas Hacks is laugh out loud, funny and has real punch, but it's kind of more gentle . Yeah. And I think he was maybe expecting something a bit more like thirty rock, but he absolutely loved it. And what's not to love? The characters are so compelling. The characters are great and the humor is so what's interesting as well. It manages to be very modern. I mean, you mentioned in the last episode of this how you're so tired of seeing what's become very rapidly a rather clumsy cliche jokes about pronouns, for example. But this deals with the difference between kind of a I almost hesitate use the word woke, but a woke generation or someone who wants to be very kind of progressive within the industry with someone who by their very nature is slightly scornful of that. But deals with such a kind of lightness of touch and such a realness and it's genuinely very, very, very funny. And it's also really moving because they are both constantly learning things from each other. I mean, I obviously have such a soft spot for it because it's like our age gap. And like very similar to our dynamic of like, we are from different generations , but we give each other grace and we learn a lot from each other. No, I don't think that's true. I think you learn a lot from me. Yeah, sure that's true. That you little man boy. Yeah. Can I share an idea with you? Before we get into I come up with a brilliant idea for what they could do to improve cinemas. Okay, speak on it. And if I was building a cinema, I would put this in place and it would not only improve the cinema experience for everyone, it would also make it a hell of a lot more fun. Okay . You know, getting into the seats is always tricky. When we went to see the scary movie, film last week there were people brushing past their knees. I get yeah in and out so a selection maybe three or four basically like a claw machine and when you go in you scan your QR toe of your ticket and the claw comes down and picks you up perhaps by harness? By harness? So you got to wear your cinema falls. Just hold on to it. Is it like alley? Yeah, you make your harness. Okay. Z along Z into your seat. Okay. When you need to get to the toilet, you press a little button, picks you up above everyone's head so you don't get in line with anyone. Takes you straight to the toilet or maybe just to the exit, brings you back in. So basically it's a crane game stroke, cinema experience. Everyone would love it, everyone would love it. I mean, I think it would be fun. But also okay, so you come in late, you come into a late showing of Curry Barker's obsession. You're panicking you, oh my god, I've got to get to my seat. You enter your seat code on the human claw machine. Well, this is where my plan really takes a great level of kind of, I think, genius , it picks you up, but because everyone see you coming late, everyone has another button on their chair, depending on how angry they are getting at, they compress it for it to squeeze you a little bit harder so it's a bit painful. It pinches you. So they show you their dissatisfaction. You go and you think, Oh God, I've really said it pinches you a bit too hard. It's a deterrent. Doesn't bruise you, but it pinches you while the way that you would pick up an orange knowing that you were squeezing the piff but not creating juice. Wow , beautifully perfect. Thank you. But if what here's my concern is you get in late, it's dark. You can't see you enter your code. You enter thirty three C when you're actually sat in thirty four C. So you don't enter code. You have to scan a Q. scan your QR d, I'm so happy in the future. If it goes down into the wrong seat , it's only skin. You know, if you lay on someone else, I feel like plopped onto a stranger's lap. You get a large man with no neck dropped down and they're the ones we got to see screenings with more for themselves with a neck beard. Those are people Coms and lads on you, but it's funny. What's a laplop amongst friends? What we call an icebreaker? Possibly an icebreaker and an icebreaker as well. Anyway, so just out there and if you want to get in touch Siny World or View, give me a call, I'm ready to design. The amount of unbelievable tips we've given to cinemas over there nearly three years doing this. No love back. Where are they? Once this radio silence are props. Okay, so we've had a couple of DM's in. So let's get into the first of those. It's from Gareth. Will you read this one ? Gareth says, Hi there, and before I start, we don't call them grapes. Two questions. What did your partner think of Jonathan's impression of him from the bonus episode a few weeks back? And secondly, I'm off to New York soon for a few weeks for work. Do either of you have any recommendations of places to go or things to see, places to eat, cinemas, etc for my trip, thank you and carry on the good work. New York, New York. So first of all, what did Gab think of my impression of it? I've just sent it to him. I actually just sent it to him over text with no context your message, Gareth, 'cause I was hoping we could hear from him. But I think my wonderful partner, Gavin, has made peace with the fact that you enjoy roasting him and he loves it. I think he's no roaster himself. He's a roaster himself. I'm regularly getting tormented . Game recognizes game. Exactly. Two absolute horrors , two rage baters found each other . I really want him to listen to it. I don't know if he said. He said to me last night that I did a very good impression of Anthony Hopkins when I was out and I was telling him about a breakfast I had with Anthony Hopkins in Los Angeles many years ago and I forget how he's so passionate about his country. He's so passionate Welsh man . I forget the one I mentioned my encounter with the Welsh celebrity , which means no more to me or no less than meeting someone who is not Welsh . But I forget that it means someone like I would say it probably means sixty or seventy percent more to him that it's a Welsh person. It means everything. When I went to a meeting, so I had this breakfast one to copy , did you? I went, yeah, yes, because I was out there. I said, Well, I actually interviewed the first time just after silence of the lamb coming , oh my yeah, and it was and I was thinking, What's going on? And then when I did my pressure , Anthony Hopkins talks quite a quick way. He goes, We're off for lunch. How long are you here for? Well, it must be for luncheon. Joint , come over for breakfast. We'll have a breakfast . Is he dead? Good. He's like that. He talks like that quite, you know, it's quite a specific. It's and that was a really good anti Hopkins. Also, your gav just then was really good. The reaction sound I can do gaff's noises just not sentences . Good So anyway, but really good question. I did tell him and he was like, great, fantastic news. New York references, I don't know, you know what? I have been in New York for about I don't know probably, about five years. So it's probably all out of date. I mean, many of the places I used to love going to are no longer there because I first went to New York in the mid eighties when it really was a city worth visiting. Now my problem with traingve nowll is most cities you go to and the city centres all feel more or less the same. The center of London, which is, I love London. I was born in London, but London is a bit of a shit hole. And the center of it is just as bad as the center of New York and just as bad as the center of Paris Avoid Times Square . I will say go on the highline. It's an abandoned railway bridge that's turned into a park. It's an absolute delight. And in the summer which is when you'll be going, there are little food trucks and stalls and ice lollies. It's gorgeous. Yeah, it's nice if you like that kind of thing. It's now slightly a chain, but I still stand by it in a big way. Bubbies , Bubby's diner, absolutely gorgeous. Absolutely unbelievable pancakes, unbelievable reuben sandwiches. I love it there. The New York I know and loved is gone. So I liked it. When the first time I went to New York, they were were there still some of the nineteen forties taxis on the street. And I remember seeing one coming once and hailing it when I didn't particularly want to go anywhere just so I could go in one. And he said, Where do you want to go? I said, I'd just take me down to the village and I drove down and I thought this was this has been driving the road since the fifties. You know, those big old ones that check a cat they're not there anymore, of course. Now New York Taxis are the least comfortable in the world. They have the least amount of leg room. Your knees will be banging against that driver of backseat. God knows how they got past any kind of design test . And I went to cinemas, which was when the kind of birthplace of the where the late night cinemas were all around forty second street, which has all been so cleaned up and sanitized, which for the greater good, I can see it's a better place, you know, it's safer. But I liked going there when it was edgy and dangerous. I remember walking along forty second street at night and going up near, walking up and then going all the way up to forty seventh street, which was where Hell's Kitchen begins, which used to be called Hell's Kit chen and now it's just gentrified brown stuff. Yeah, a lot of it looks the same. And it's lovely. You know, it's nice, but I like that edginess. And I remember going to see a double bill. The first time I arrived in New York, I was on my own . And it's the second one around and I went to a double bill on forty second street of two kung fu movies and it was completely empty and then a gang came in, a gang weighing gang colours came in and sat behind me and I panicked a bit. I was perhaps unwisely wearing a Jean Paul Gautiher, charcoal grey silk shoot with rouched sides . It had elasticated sides. Stanish. Yeah, it was I mainly wore gautier for about twelve years and I remembering sitt thin thereking I'm, not really going to find a lot of common ground with these folks. I might be in trouble here. When they heard I had an English accent, they thought it was fascinating. I was there to see a kung fu movie. And then so we sort of bonded a bit . That's how you joined the gang. That's how I became King of New Yor k. But at one stage during the film, I did let out a slightly less manly noise than I think they approved of because a rat went over my foot. That's old New York. It was not going to get that when you go to be no rats. Can I say also a restaurant used to be really nice, might be too touristy now, Jack's wife, Frieda, very nice . Via Carota, very hard to get a table. Taylor Swift goes there. Lovely spaghetti. Your class and I'm I would recommend going to one of those restaurants where they have the themed monsters that come alive? Dad, the Jekyll and Hyde Club has closed its doors. All of them. They're all gone. Oh no, I used to love the Jekyll and Hydra's ago. Married at the Jekyll and Hydro. There was a Frankenstein that came alive halfway through your meal. There were like there was pictures that taught him wisecracked at you. It was unbelievable you get a vat of spinach and artichoke dip while there was a skelet on band playing The Beach Boys. But you don't see that anywhere else in New York now. There were shops I used to go to Trash Vaudfield down in the village. Oh my gosh, that was an amazing shop. Gone . That's so sad. You know what? Go to Brooklyn, though. Have a day out in Brook lyn. Oh my god, do not go to Brooklyn. Do you go to Brooklyn's lovely? Brooklyn is just hipsters. It's got some good stuff. It's called some escape routes. I like going to parts of the city where it feels like you're suddenly in a scene from Erace ahead. I like would you want? I don't know. Eat in a race ahead. It's not. I don't like going places where people are smiling and holding hands and having nice meals. I like going places where there's a dunkin' doughnuts and there's a weird man who may or may not attack you and there's lots of trucks rumbling past. Yeah. Oh my God, you know the best recommendation Juvenix, the twenty four hour Korean spa. Yes. You can go at three in the morning and get all of the dead skin scrubbed off your body and you come out like a smooth baby seal while drinking really cheap hot champagne. It's horrible. You have to go there's also an amazing Korean spa in New Jersey across the river. Actually, New Jersey I approve of. I love New Jersey. Yeah. New Jersey. I think it's called We Spa. Yeah, We Spa which is huge and it's got a kind of infinity pool on the top floor where you can sort of go out and bathe and look out back over the river towards Manhattan. It's gorgeous and there's a giant Korean canteen where they serve delicious bib and bab and bulgogi so have a gorgeous day.. Go there Have a gorgeous work trip, Gareth. We're proud of you. The thing to do though, Gareth is to just explore, just explore. Just find your own way. Follow your heart, Gareth. That's what I would say. Follow your heart. Okay, so we've got another DM from Joey, will you read this as well, please? I would love to. Hi Jonathan and Honey, I really enjoyed the question about the worst horror moments that stick with you. It made me think about it all the way to work on the train to London this morning. I have a list of my own below and honey you stole the one from Sinister before I'd even written my list, what a great film that was. So this is Joey's list of horror movie moments that have stayed with him and we can weigh in and see how we feel about it. Let's hear it. The very beginning of the original it where you first see pennywise behind the washing line, but it's spinning so you see him sporadically brilliant scene. Yeah. You mean the Tim Coe is? I think he means Tim Coe. I don't really remember it that clearly so I can't comment. I think I watched him. I remember that like where it's through the washing liner it's hard . Didn't really like it that much . Whoa. Why didn't you like it? The original I didn't think it was very good. It's like visually really striking but it takes it's so of its time but it,'s I'm glad I've seen it. Okay, the last scene of the Haunting of Hill House has particularly stuck with me all these years because of how chilling and traumatic it is when the girl thinks she is dancing with someone but she isn't in the house on her own terrifying. Yeah, horrible. Haunting of Hill House , unbelievable series. One of the few Flanoverse series ride for. That was when Flanaverse was put in the working. Yeah, bent neck lady. Unbelievable, the hat man, unbelievable. A bit long . But it's a series. But it had a point as well. That was interesting with that, as opposed to the other stuff which is just like teen shuckles. Had a real heart . Then, the scene in midsummer at the start where the Lead Girls family kills himself is awful. I agree. Very horrible scene. Which film? Mitsuma ? Oh, oh yeah , I don't know. What do you mean by the old people kill themselves? No. With the gas market? Oh yeah, no, that is genuinely really a traumatic you're correct. Lurge and then somehow even worse, the cut to Florence Pugh just scream sobbing when she finds out. Yeah . I was talking about that with Gav the other night. See, when I watched BC, I did sort of start thinking. I know this is very not what the film was about, but I remember thinking about half the film. Yeah, get over it. What the hell ? You and that's why you'd end up in the barn fire. That's why I'd end up king of midsomer. I'd end up as the boy in the barn with the wonky eye . God . And then, finally from Joey, the original Salem's Lot were the boys scratch at the window. That is good, they haven't seen that. Salem's lot has I think has David's soul in it, who was famous for people of my generation for being one half of Starskin Hutch, who I many years later when doing a show about Dracula and vampirism in general, I got to interview him because of his appearance in Salem Law, which is a chilling, brilliant television adaptation of the Stephen King novel. And he was living in a small houseboat in Little Venice. And he was furious. Why was he furious? Furious because he'd hired the houseboat from someone thinking, Oh good, well I'll have the winter here won't be great , but then we'll have a lovely summer in Little Venice on a houseboat. And then the people had it in their contract that they could cancel and terminate the rental agreement by giving them three weeks notice or something , which they gave them. So they kicked them out before spring began and then he found out that they had done this repeatedly people. So they would offer it for hire for a year because no one would hire it just for the winter. No, but they were offering only a year to hire it. People would hire it for the year. They would kick them out after the winner. So I got to interview him , but he was in such a bad mood about this that he kept talking about it. So we'd be chatting about and I'd say so you know, the St Kingeph obenviously, it's an important, film in Steven King's Canada books anyway, but had you read them were you familiar because you're not someone I think of necessarily associated in your career with General Work and you read Oh yeah, you know, I read them, I read them and you know I liked him plenty I liked him plenty . Do you think legally I can do anything do you think I can? And I go oh we're back to that. Okay, yeah, David, you know, I don't know. I mean, I can I can ask someone for you. Okay, yeah, it's just it's really driving me crazy and me and my partner we, just we just wanted to have the summary. Yeah, I can understand why it would