Attack of the Meth Gator

Welcome to Real Talk. I'm Honey Ross. And Hello, I'm Jathan Ross and this is our joint podcast where we chat about the films and TV that we've watched over the last seven days or so. all the new releases that we've managed to get to, plus new things on the streaming platforms. and there's been lots on the streaming platforms, including, I've seen two of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. Oh my which I'm just gonna tack on at the end, but both of them I would recommend I'm dying In a perverse kind of way. How's your week been? My week's been good. onene of my best friends is visiting from out of town and it's been really lovely. obviously it's been suny and really hot and lovely so we've just been out and about. Oh my go dd, I fell for an Instagram trap. No, what what even is there? Well, you know when you see something and it's like a real being like, come with me to the ultimate hotspot. Like it's like someone like taking you around Okay, so you weren't invited you saw someone saying I went to this great place. I saw someone saying, there is a magnolia bakery pop up At a cafe in London, Magnolia Bakery is a really famous bakery in New York that does the banana pudding. I've heard of them.'sfamous. I've never tried the bana pudding. I alwaysed to try the bana pudding It's a pop up in London and More potently, there's a pop up where they put the magnolia bak banana pudding on a matcher. ight So Hookline and Sinker, they got me. I was like, well, I love a matcher and I love a pudding. What what am I gonna to do? By the way, that's your momum's pet name for me banana pudding. Bana pudd. You are such a banana pudd boy. It is a it would work. It would work. So so you braved going out in extreme In an actually direire heat wave, I went and I queued for forty five minutes What's one? I don't know. honestly, I don't know. Maybe I'm going through something. Me and my two of my best friends went for forty five minutes, get to the front. I order, you know a big hunk of banana pudding on top of a matcher And it congeals in the car. It was such an unpleasant mouthfill. the first sip Cool matcha, and then a thick gelassinous creamy pudding, bits of shortbread going up the straw. like you know the kind of drinks of like a biscuit at the bottom of a cup of tea? I quite like that. I do quite like those a little after dessert. Yeah. but bisco. It's like thick claggy wereere you drinking this down in the street? Yeah. Oh it's a nightmare. We were sat in a hot little outbit ' you couldn't we didn't make a reservation to go in It was all and all quite bleak. It was But the main at least I hope you've learned a life lesson from this, which is don't get suckkered in. the influencers going, you can't miss this. Here's the thing you probably can miss it. Is it fear of missing out that? It is like, o, there's something really great which is not going to be there for that long Let me I want to grab this. seize the moment Well this is what's so annoying is yes, in a way it was that because and I never usually got by that. Usually I'm like, I don't care. Like if it let the pop up come, let the pop up go, life will continue. But with this, I was like, let's m Elii a bakery I don't know if I'm gonna to try the bana pd. I gota try the bana pudding. the bana pudding amazing The the match alone. amazing togetherog, rancid Rarely though do those things turn out to be as good as people say it's like when you see someone says this amazing spot where you go to or I've been dragged along to a lot of places by you and your mother. Yeah, I know. A lot of places And almost with that exception. I've got to be honest with you about twenty minutes here, and I'm thinking I would rather be somewhere else I know. No you feel the same way, I think. When it's like, try this viral noodle Bullack No, not even light places like team labs in Japan, those places where we go where it's a huge light display And it's really beautifully made and it is a really worthwhile and fun experience, but after about fifty minutes of shuffling around with a bunch of other people and seeing another projection on a wall and another fake forest or rolling up your trousers and walking through two foit of slightly rancid chlorinated water give me the feeling in your pond, I'm thinking, why am I not a cinema. Why am I not in a restaroom? Why am I not just even sitting down listening to some music somewhere comfortable? Yeah, with your beloved friends and family. No, on my own. On your own. Well not even ideally. Just isolated listening to a podcast. It's not isolated, not enjoying the moment on your own. I saw an interview with Ea recently. Do remember Eya? Of course I remember Eya. Ea. And it was an interview with an Italian journalist who kept mispronouncing her name and she was getting a little bit crossing me. she was going, it's Enya and he was going Anna And went, no, it's not Anna. it's Ana. And he said, What is the perfect de for you? She went, too be entirely on my own all afternoon with possibly a glass of wine. Oh, to be fair, Anna sounds absolutely electric. That sounds like a gordgeous. And she's got a castle that she lives in with cats. Oh, I love that she absolutely popped off with her music and then vanished. Yeah existence. She she went, nope I'm gonna to buy a castle. You'll never see again.rove rather like Alan Car Yeah. why the hell not? As if we will be spared seeing Alan Carggan. No, but thank God, National treasure Alan Car. I've been talking to Alan a lot this week. I can't do you anyway but I have got I might share with you all the gossip about what's happened in the next series of celebrity traiters. No Be we both know so many people who went in there. So I've spent about three or four hours on the phone in the last week or so with various people who've come out slightly shell shocked from the experience. And it's gonna to be great. I cannot wait for it. I suspect the edited version is going to be so different rather like it was for us when we were in there. So different from the reality of actually living through it. But so I've had a lot of very good long chats with our relative, Alan Car Cousin Allen. distantly related to. Anyway, so what are we looking at in today's show? Today we actually have an unbelievable episode because it's been a lovely couple of weeks at theinemark.'een been good weeks We are going to be talking about brand new horror film from I mean Absolute childild prodroigy director, twenty year old Kane Parsons. We're talking about the backrooms. Yeah, new one from A twenty four We both went to seea Obsession which is out in cinemas now, but we need to talk about it because it's so worth seeing. And went to see I was a bit jealous because I was seeing I was seeing backrooms at a different screening to the one you went to, you went to the premiere of Masters of the Universe, but we can't talk about that today. We'll have to do that in the bonus because there's an embgo until Wednesday, I think. Yeah and there's a review embargo. so we'll give a little bit of coverage of that on our bonus. But don't way, I've got plenty to add because I really, really want to talk to you about ladies first. Oh my God. I've been dying to hear com on ladies first. And I use the term film lightly, starring Sasha Ba and Cohen on Netflix and I also want to talk about Atack of the Mh Gata Excuse me. Attack of the Mh Gitor. Fantastic. Look I don't know why the stiff people aren making more noise about this, but I saw it. It was offered to you on Netflix because that's my algorithm. Attack of the Mh Gator. So it's basically like a spin on cocaine bear. But instead of a bear that's found lots of cocaine, it's an alligator that's found lots of meth. Wow. Okay, well, Gret. I mean, I love in the summer of prestige horror that we're having somehow attack of the meteth Gator got lost in the weeds but shhuffled away Hopefully we can shed some light on it. Fortunately old eagle eyes here saw it was out. Oh, notothing gets past you. Jumped on boald and I've done it for first. so let's roll up our sleeves and get into it. Let's dive in So let's start with a film that has just dropped in cinemas over the weekend, which we were both looking forward to to varying degrees because it's based on quite a long running internet film series and kind of like written ideas as well based on liminal spaces. It's called oms? Will you read the synopsis? because I think it's somewhat different to what people might have seen elsewhere on YouTube if they've seen those films, but expands on an interesting way In nineteen ninety a strrange doorway appears in the basement of a furniture showroom and after a therapist's patient disappears into this dimension beyond reality, she must venture into the unknown to save him Okay, so yeah, so it's kind of like It's such a strange film, isn't it because? It's not really spepecifically and clearly about anything. You know, it's like often a horr film is about, oh, you've woken up this curse or you've you know this thing's coming for you. This is more kind of true to its very nature, I guess. The idea of it being a weird, disorienting space in a way the film is somewhat like that experience as well It's more about a feeling that you get when you see something that feels almost uncanny valley, like it shouldn't exist, but it does. So you find yourself somewhere and you think, kind of where exactly am I? And it almost feels like you're caught in a memory. Like there's a feeling of nostalgia that you can't quite place. And I think that's the origin of the concept of backrooms. you know, I think stemmed from a lot of kind of Reddit and YouTube content from a kind of Caine Parsons in a Q and A was saying around twenty sixteen, but I think it actually dates earlier than that. might started it earlier. Maybe he started doing stuff then, I think. Yeah. But there was a post which had a photo of essentially the backrooms as we know them, which is a big, spooky, yellow, cavernous kind of waiting room essentially going like If you're not careful, you'll slip into the backom Like a corporate space, but it doesn't make sense why you're there or where it's heading to. actually he can't have make itself for twenty sixteen. So you said he's twenty. so he would have been ten then Yeah, but he's but you know, it's the kind of YouTube generation and it's the tech generation. so he has been putting stuff out forever. That's why he's so good at it, you know? Dgusting. I know, honestly. He was such he did a Q and A at the screening I went to and he was such a bright, interesting young talent. And I've honestly felt a bit ill because he's twenty years old and God good on him. He's unbelievable He designed all of the backrooms in Blender and passed them ono a designer. Like his mind is just something else. Although he does deserve enormous credit, we should point out he didn't write the script And I think the script is really clever. It's really brilliantly down the way. It dances around the edges of a story Great cast as well, he has to work with Chuitel Edgiopfa, who I love Chuitel. Unbelievable. And he's great in this Canate Winsfa, who we both loved in what was the film about the director Sentimental value' the worst person in the world. She's the quQeen of Cann. She's won a Can award every year for the last five years. Great cast. The writer's name is Will Sudk The music is great as well and Kaine Parsons this twenty old project was involved in that as well, along with someone called Edo Van Breemann. and it's an A twenty four film and it has that kind of A twenty four DNA in which it is kind of like, you know, unexpected and unusual. But I just thought it was. Really stunning so clever, so immersive and so brilliantly sort of like scary but in an unnerving kind of way that you can't quite put your finger on Well I love that they stuck to the kind of simplicity of the concept of Rather than pumping it full of you know exposition, explaining what the backrooms are and where they came from and where they exist, it went, no, what's actually scary about this is And it's this mystery and it's this kind of nightmarish, unsettling feeling, which they capture so well where, you know There are moments in the backrooms film where you're taken essentially from room to room And every room is somehow worse than the last. Every room, you go, o, I don't know why, but that's got under my skin and that makes me feel unsettled to the bow Interesting kind of little twists as well, like you know, slight strange little quirks in the architecture, things beginning to appear where they shouldn't be. And then actually really more kind of overtly that's the case with like furniture being half in and half out of a wall. There's an amazing an amazing couple of people in it as well. Mark Duplace and Finn Bennett are in it, these two kind of who help him go in there And there's an amazing kind of jolt you get one stage where You see a t shirt that you've seen earlier and it really shouldn't be where it is there. So really kind of unsettling and not kind of like heavy handed with the jumpscares, a couple of genuinely scary moments, a great kind of monstrous figure at the end The entity of the backrooms is so profoundly upsetting and really You know, The I don't want to give too much away because I think everyone must go see it and it's so brilliant. The actor who's playing the entity is also the entity in recent alien remake white ye. She's a naturally very tall, long, spooky shaped man. Who apparently is a lovely man, I'm sure he is. But everybody saw the casting was announced and they went, oh my god, this guy is going to be in it. This is going gonna be absolutely horrifying. and correct, it was. I love how delicate and how kind of worried your generation is about upsetting anyone. when you say that he's a kind of strange looking gentlean, but I'm sure he's really nice. But I'm he's kind and someone you weren't imp My shape is spooky, I think I wouldn't be thrilled about it But he you know, I love that he's leaned into he's got hised in a very od way. You know, peculiar proportions. and he's gone, let me make this my thing. Okay. I loved it though I really enjoyed it, and I didn't think I necessarily would. but it isn't a film to go. If you are someone who wants a film which has a very straightforward narrative and you want things tied up in a neat bow at the end, this is not the film for you. But I think especially when we are looking more genre cinema and horror films in particular, especially kind of a psychological hle like this, I think it is much more interesting and much more and much braver as well, but much clevever of filmmakers to leave things not tied up, to leave things not oververexplained, to leave things where you can be unsettled. because a lot of, you know, I remember talking to a reviewer once who He used to work for the times and he hated Malholland Drive And he gave it a scathing review And I had a chat with about that and I said, I think, you know, I'll be honest with you, I think it does make sense and this is why it made sense to me. And You know, he said after was, o, I think possibly you're right, which was very quite big of him and quite unusual But I think even if you don't necessarily understand David Lynch films, they can sometimes have such an effect on you Like Lost Highway, which I don't think is a particularly successful film of Davidge is still an amazing piece of cinema And you can watch it and you get this incredible feeling from it and it lives with you for quite a while afterwards and you will think about moments from it again again. and that's kind of enough for me Well, yeah, I think if something has the ability to kind of like get in your bones and like provokes conversation with, you your friends and family after. it's really done its job. And I think this is a film that benefits seeing it with a couple of friends and having a long chat afterwards. It's a film which kind of works as a genre film. It works as a kind of scary experience, but it also works and slightly preented. I think it works as a piece of cinematic art. Completely. And I think there is a real artistry to the film and even, you know, There's something so brilliant about the script. of As you said, it kind of doesn't necessarily follow the traditional shape of a film But one thing I love with the script is how It takes the concept of the backroom and applies it to this kind of concept of being maybe stuck in toxic cycles or making the same emotional choices over and over again and the same mistakes over and over again. I thought that was a really elegant concept that they didn't beat you over the head with. Knowing something just enough. You' quick. Knowing something is wrong in your own life, but not quite knowing what, not quite knowing how to fix it Really you know, I said a great performance from Tuotel. I love the fact that Also that you enter this liminal space via a space, which is itself slightly unsetting, you know if anyone's ever been, I think I've been in one accidentally once, but I've been to a few places like that when you see behind the scenes of something. And I remember when we were in Florida years ago we were looking, I think we were trying to buy some furniture or something And we went to a place, we went to one place which was a big furniture warehouse for, which was closing down And it was such an enormous space, but it only had a small amount of products and stuff for sale left in it. And there was something oddly unsetling about being in the space as cavernous as that as I'm thinking It's something about, you know, they've come to the end of something But you don't know what the next step's going to be. You know, got you built this giant structure. for a purpose and that purpose is no longer being served. So what becomes of this place now and it was something about the fact that everything was a bit shabby and everything wasn't quite right anymore It was really odd and I think it's so brilliant that they've started use that as the kind of entry point in this. Completely. yeah, no, I think spaces like that that mimic the essence of a place that would be full of human life, but is very rarely occupied. likeike you know, a waiting room or an airport hang or a place where no one ever like hangs their hat. It's not anyone's home. That is the kind of riminal quality of it. And like a furniture shop where you're like This looks like a home, but this is empty and devoid of any life. There's something about it that's so unsettling and horrid. I went back in my studing days I did a couple of part time jobs, and one of my head ones very briefly. because I got scared. I worked as a night security guy a couple of nights in this building and it was a big office building and that hadn't been occupied yet and they'd been decorating it. so really just had to sit in there to make sure squatters didn't get intouff of that. but you had to do you rounds like every two or three hours, you had to walk around and just che and there's a little thing you pressed to let them know you'd been past there. And that was terrifying Weirdly because I was the only person alone all night. is the days before mobile phones and any contact the outside world And you'd go up and it had that system where the lights would come on. as you enter the space, but then they would go out behind you. That And it was horing. But even though I'm not someone who's easily scared particular I was when I was younger, I think, but and so there is, you know, anything about being in a large space where you don't quite know why you're there Or what else is there with you? And yeah, that's the thing. It's the fear of what's like lurking around the corner I just think it's really original and fresh and beautifully made. Really accomplished, really you know, and I didn't feel like it didn't feel like, you know, when you do a film, sometimes you see films where things aren't explained or they aren't tatatter. sometometimes you think I it's because they don't know how to. You know what mean you think, okay well it it's fine, it's fun. hereere You get the film. They know what they wanted to say and they said it Yeah, even if it wasn't as neat and that's kind of like, you know, narratively full circle as you might perhaps some people might want it to be. But I loved it and I hope people are going to see it. and it was made for next to Nothing, I believe. Yeah, they made it on a really low budget and it looks like it was expensive. God sorry, that ending is blood chilling. Yeah, it's a great ending to it. Really, we can't recommend it hardly enough. And the reason I mentioned the budget of course because the other film, the other horror film, which is already out at the moment obsession we should talk about because that was made for next to nothing. That' made for like seven hundred thousand And'' made something like seven hundred million or something I don't know what it is, but a lot of money already, a huge amount of money. And it is interesting to think that, you know, if the ideas are right, And if the talent is there, you don't need these you know, we we both know a lot of people working in cinema and sometimes they'll be working with budgets of over a hundred million And the film wasn't necessarily that great. Well, it's bloated and it's full of ego. whereereas this, there's a simplicity to it because they are, you know, working to the line of a tight budget So backackrooms is in cinemas now and as I think you probably worked out, we both love it And I hope you give it a chance as well. Please, you must Interesting the last time I bumped into the Terel. Yeah was in something of a liminal space. It was in the car park just off of Wester Square. After we'd been to a screening of something, I'm trying to remember what it was now. And I think I told this story before I story As we walked in we heard someone going Fuck me. And it was so fun because he was he was standing at the pay machine and they couldn't believe how much they'd been charged for parking for just three hours in London. It was something like fifty quid. That feels like a backroom's punishment. I think that's why Chuel went off the whales after that and that's how we wound up in this how we got lost in a liminal space Okay, coming up next, shall let's talk about obsession then withil which we've already just teased and then we'll round things up with a few other choice picks that I've enjoyed. Let's do it Next up is a new horrorilm that's dropped in cinemas and it has captured audiences around the world. It's kind of the film of the summer, I want to say. You know, I wouldn't disagree. He's got such a kind of like in a way, a very simple premise at the beginning that what if there was a way that you could get a wish come true And if you made the wrong wish, and of course that's at the basis of a lot of fantasy stories over the years, off course that's at the very heart of almost every story involving a genie Traditionally you get three wishes with Jeannie, but almost always you'll make a wish and it will turn out badly It's all about the phrasing. So this is kind of the premise of Curry Barker's obsession Again, Curry Barker Tube sketch comic, very prolific online, very funny guy. And it's so interesting how often comedy and horror kind of really go hand in hand. Whatas that those guys who did talkalk to me? Yeah, whichich was also, they were kind of like They were YouTube kings too. YouTube comedians, really. And so this has got a kind of like a fun, quite gamey premise U there's a guy who's a bit of a I wouldn't say an inceel but he's a bit of a kind of a he's lacking in what how would you describe him? I mean, I guess he's a kind of air quote nice guy Yeah, like the modern ice guy who feels like Yeah, why don't girls like nice guys? Slightly like, you know willed and not particularly able to You know, he's not a great communicator. He's not able to ask for what he wants. He's not able to directly communicate his feelings. bit of a coward as well to an extent, but we should get back to all of that because of course he's so brilliantly sketched in and makes so much sense in the story. But anyway, he has a kind of a crush on a girl He works with can't seem to pluck up the courage to tell her this ne of the guys who works with is saying, Well you know, just say it in a certain way. may fl be flirty and gives him actually very bad advice. And then he finds himself in a shop where there's a kind of small display. It's a kind of crystal shop, a new A shop where you can buy this thing called One Wish Willows, which look like a kind of fifties quirky silly toy, a bit like the magic A ball, a bit like all those kind of things And the idea is that if you break the one with willillow, you're allowed to make one wish. And there's a lot of instruction on the box. You can't take the wish back You only get to make one wish It's a lot of stuff. wish ises like you can't play with time. Yeah. you can't bring back the dead. There are wules in it and he snaps it and he basically after feeling It's not really rejected, but feeling like he should have maybe made some progress with this girl in a moment when there was an opportunity. He says, I wish she loved me more than anyone else in the world and nightmares ensue. Yeah, because it comes true but in such a sort of like dramatic non stop way in such a kind of fullm way where if someone was completely obsessed Yeah with someone else, how they couldn't be be away from them. they couldn't better see someone else touch them. They couldn't beare to think of them any else. They couldn't you know, kind of like mad jealousy obsession with just an incredible performance from Inda Navaretti as Nicki Freeman, the Leb, just an incredible performance. Oh my God, so unbelievably committed and just haaunting Becauseuse you know, I think at its heart this is a film about losing your autonomy and losing control of yourself, because I think that is where to me the real horror lies. Well, that's what's interesting in this is you realize that It isn't quite what he wants, but he hasn't a second considered what she might want and how she might feel. And that's what's so clever about it as a piece of screenwriting, I think is that you've got this feeling that which it is is like people who who especially men who sort of objectify a woman. I think wouldn't it be great if this was a relationship? And it's very rarely the picture of what a real relationship could or should be. Yeah. It's not in any way a kind of a shared experience. It is What if this beautiful trophy was mine? Yeah, you know And there are some genuinely chilling moments. There are some moments of gore, but they're not overplayed ever. It's not it doesn't do gore for the sake of gore. but some really, really unsettling moments of psychological unease. And I think it's interesting because having just spoken about backrooms, this is also a film that's playing with the Uncanny Valley and playing with your mind on a psychological level registering something that is deeply wrong. You know they played a lot with Uncanny Valley makeup in this. So there are moments where you know, the character Nikki looks so ghoulish because they've made amazing kind of choices with lighting and makeup where you're like What is wrong with her? Well the way it' shot is brilliant. I mean, because they do a lot of stuff in this, which you don't see that often where lot of it's not overlit, it's not overshot, but there ares lot times where it's slightly dark. She's in darkness. and that actually is far more unsettling than seeing someone with grotesque makeup where you can see every detail. No, you don't want that whereas you go I can tell something slightly wrong, but I can't quite place it and I can't quite see it. It's like You know, your mind playing tricks on you at night when you see something in the shadows. But also, you know what's interesting about I find as always it does manage your times to be funny Oh my God ye. And that's what's really difficult for us because it's something which is genuinely unnerving film where you come out and I think you will talk about it for quite a while afterwards. But at the same time, some really funny moments, including a brief off screen cameo from Curry Barker, who plays a voice on a phone at some stage, but just it's just a really very, very funny little sequence that then becomes really distressing 's what's so powerful about this film is the emotional movement in each scene of how that scene starts and you're like, this is hilarious and then genuinely haunting upsetting. It's such powerful writing and I think that's what I think is so brilliant about. Harry Barker is Because he comes from comedy, one thing that horror and comedy have Con is timing You know, I think it's all in timing. Yes. And I think there's something so powerful about the way you kind of deploy a scare or a laugh. You know, you have to be so tapped into human nature to be able to do that and he's doing that. And masterfully, you know works within the rhythm of the film.. So just really Really good, great music as well, which kind of like feels slightly retro in a way. but L performances all the way through and Interestingly, it does actually have an ending which makes perfect sense. Narratively, unlike Backrooms, which isn't a weak point of backrooms, it suits that style of film and that sort of story, but this one does, it ties it all up so perfectly at the end. which never betrays the characters.'s I will say A brutal ending. Yeah. notot a particularly upbeat ending, but a brilliant ending that feels completely correct given all the information we've seen throughout the film. This is not a first date movie O bring someone on a first date and see how they react because I think it's so dependent on who they think is the villain of this film will determine the success of your relationship. But some of the writing I love in particular, you know the way the lead coacter the lead boy in it. the choices he makes which just go to especially towards the end when he does have there are some choices he could make and some choices that he nearly makes, but he can't quite bring himself bring himself to which so tie imperfectly to what you saw earlier on, which was hinted at as to the kind of where he is lacking as a person. Completely. and I think that's so brilliant to play with, even kind of just to play with the title of like The real obsession isn't coming from her. The real obsession is coming from him. And I think that's what's so interesting is In a simple minded version of this film, it's like, look at this crazy woman. like that's not this film at all. There is a real kind of nuance and intelligence and devastating core to this film. But the horr as well, the horr of like, if you were in her circumstances and were aware what was going on And that is hinted at in the film, but to be acting in a way which is so odd and so upsetting and so not how you would behave, being forced to behave in that way. It's just so kind of like it's really chilling. It's well it's yeah, it's autonomy horror. and it's brilliant I've seen the actress, Indy Narvette talking about how her and Curriry Barker very early doors decided that it was more like Possession It's not a demon, it's the wish and then the real Nicki is able to see through the veil and is watching the wish play out as it happens. Yeah that is I mean a fate worse than death. So a great movie made for next to nothing compared to most cinema at the moment and yet has gone on to be deservedly a huge here. I genuinely hope if they have the ideas that they want to go ahead with that we do see more films featuring the One Wish Willow the c of it because it's such a great it's such a great kind of like silly brilliant little gimmick. to back your own concept of rather than coming up with, you know Something that already exists in the world we live in. he's created this truly original kind of monkey's paw. Yeah That's amazing. And I've seen interviews with Curry Barker talking about how he would love to do a miniseries where each episode is a different wish from the onene Wish willillow. Which you can just see how rich that will be. It's I think it's an amazing piece cinema. I absolutely adored it. I know you did as well. I couldn't have loved it more. Really loved it. It's out already now. I would happily go and watch it again, I think I'm dying to see it again. Isreaming things you miss though. Yeah What's so crazy is my algorithm has never been taken over by a film like this before and my partner hass been having the same thing where every single reel for two days after I saw obsession was just. content around it. and how I mean, I've never seen people talking about a film this much. Content around this and the banana sludge cake. Yeah, the disgusting earer. Yeah, yeah You have a weird algorithm. So obsessioned that in cinemas now and we both cannot recommend it highly enough. And interestingly, your brother had been nagging me for a while to try and watch The short film he made that you can find on one called Milk and Cereal which I haveve you watched I' heard's mical,'veard it's like h long. It's an hour' hardly short. But he was telling F for you said you should watch this film. You'll love this film Hoffy's always got his finger on the pulse in a weird way. I never got better of seeing it. I will do now. So obsession out and cinemas now go and see it I need to talk to you about ladies first Ladies first Tell me everything. Big budget film, I think. they spend some money and it certainly if you look at the cast, it's got a great cast in it Rosamund Pike, who you know, can be great in things. Yeah Gongol herself. Sasha Baron Cohen Okay, ye. Borat, mister Borat Yeah, it's got Emily Mort in it Richardy Grants in it as well. We love. I mean a really good cast, a really, really good cast And the premise itself is is not an original one in particular, but as you know, as a kind of modern satire goes, I think there's still room for you to say something new in this, which is basically that it's a mle dominated society, a male dominated world And then what happen if one of the kind of alpha males who has it all his own way due to a kind of magical moment, finds himself transported to a world in which Everything's flipped in a very straightforward way. So the all of the advantages and all of the privileges that men have women have. and men find themselves in that position. So it's, you know, and I've seen similar stories in the past. I mean, there was the I think it's called What Women W theil with Mel Gibson, which isn't quite the same, but it's quite fun where this kind of like while the bore is Chauvinistic man who is very attractive and kind of gets some way finds himself the shoes on the other foot. And also wasn't there recently that kind of high budget quite serious drama version where women were in power. it's called the powerower, I. I think there was. So this is this So you know, and it's directed by someone who I think had made their name in Fiera years ago and has directed a couple of the movies. This is without doubt one of the single worst things I've seen in my entire life. Oh wow. I mean, it's mind blowingly offensively awful is the waste of talent, the waste of money, the lead and script, the The pity of this script is startling it makes you sit up and make it's almost like someone said to you, I want you to make the worst version of this film you could And then they've managed to exceed highest expectation of that task. I must know, what were the moments that tipped you over the edge? Well think this is quite an intense reaction. I think well, I mean it's Almost almost every scene. I mean the clumsiness of the attempts at humor, every joke in it, every single joke You have seen or heard before and seeen or heard gun better before. And you just go, o, they clearly just thought good enough. Sasha plays for some reason plays lacks any charm on screen whatsoever in this ro. I mean, and I like Sasha Bone Co, I know him a little bit. I mean you know, and I've liked a lot of his comedy. And it bear in mind he's a man in his fifties as well, but he's playing someone who's sort of like a younger player figure. So in itself it's already slightly improbable and weird, But it's as if it's a film which misses its target by about thirty years because it seems to be set in the world that was thirty years ago. Where now as we know, all big companies now are aware, especially post Med two are aware of the language that can and can and can't be used. Completely in a kind of, you know in any kind of business situation. Not in this world In this world it's all likeah, look at her It's like the seventies. It's like the seventies, but a more simple minded exaggerated version of the seventies even. And you know what I really resent about the concept alone and like all of the shows like you know, the power we just reference in a world where women are in charge We always just write it for some reason as we would act exactly like men act.. I resent that so deeply. And like I actually think we might do it a little differently. We might be a little bit nicer. Like look, who knows, mayaybe absolute power corrupts, you, I've heard that thrown around a lot. But I do like to think that if women were you know, if it was a matriarchy rather than a patriarchy, maybe we'd be doing things a little bit differently. But even if one hundred percent agree with you, But even if we were to take it on its purest level and say, okay, say it was a direct flip in some way. sure. And because this is presumably happening inside his head So he is therefore seeing a version of the world, which he was enjoying, but just doesn't enjoy now that the worm has turned, so to speak. At the same time, it isn't an accurate representation of any world anyway. No. I mean, the level of Borish Chauvinism that's on display here is so cartoonish that it immediately pulls its rug out in fro its own feet Richard E Grant plays the kind ofstical a mystical sort of homeless character who oversees the transformation. First time you see him, he's wearing kind of like a bad sort of shabby old overcoat done up with bird shit all over his shoulders and his hair all up immediately think, What is this film? It's like it's made by people who haveve never seen films before You haven't seen good examples of fantasy films where silliness happens and that you can enjoy going on for the wide. It's so intensely offensive. I mean, I'm kind of desperate to watch it. I really want you to watch it. I mean it is it's worth watching. Strap yourself in and say I'm gonna watch something which is I just want to see people getting it terribly wrong in every, every way I am gagging to see it. One thought as well I've just had it's so interesting that because you know, you said Sasha Bankar and he's in his fifties, he's playing this kind of absolute player. Playboy But let me guess when he's flipped into the woman's world, he's still getting like hit on relentlessly and not initially. he's forced to undergo the humiliation of them saying, oh, you put on a bit of timber or maybe you should, you know, maybe your grooming is a bit off. Okay, you know what I'd be relieved to hear that because I was worried it would be like He's getting cat called and something like actually, if anything, it's a far more interesting. only note in there, but they don't expand on that. They don't make that really working way because then they they sort of descend into the most simple minded and predictable slapstick sequence in which, for example, he has to go and have some waxing done And we've all seen scenes where the man's going, you know but they they do that waxing scene about seven times in this film and including having him having his balls waxed repeatedly It's just so odd. It's just so weirdly odd. and then they have How does he get his balls w? have the men wearing like revealing Lotards when they go to a spin class It's just o my God. It's just it's a really h it was a really horrible experience. I'll be honest with you, it upset me, but at the same time, I was Dn't turn away. Yeah. No, it honestly sounds like car crash that you can't look away from. And the direction is so one and sort like simple minded and everything about it, everything about it lacks finesse. Is it It's on Netflix. Long make. I think it's like number two in their most fortunate. Let's go. I'm so ready toward it. I saw a clip again, when obsession dissipated from my algorithm. I saw a clip from Ladies F, which is Sasha Baron Cohen singing an earnest version of Pony by Genuine. Yes Yeah. Okay, two roosplan pie. I believe so. I mean, you've gots there's a lot to recommended as an experience of almost humiliation I mean, it' you all for them But everybody but I mean, it is like you watch these people you think, okay, you know, Sasha Bar is a very smart man Yeah. Emily Mortse is a very smart woman. Rosmond Puck's a very fine actor who's capable of great kind of nuance and sophistication and to see them dragged down into this childish nonsense and for it to be delivered so cack handedly is It's just Was there not one grown up in the room who said, Yeah,be maybe we just pull back a little bit. Maybe we just try and do something a little different here. Yeah, let's not get so high off our own supply. Yeah And actually really didn this is the problem when people are making a comedy. It seems like everybody's having so much fun on set Nobody's reeling it in. Yeah I just honestly, words almost fail me Really I can't I can't put my finger on how it could have I can't explain to you how this could have happened Normally, you can see a film and say, it doesn't really work. you think I kind of know what they were going for. And I suppose I know what they're going for in the broadest possible sense, but you can't see how how even on the day of film and they thought when they did that scene, they didn't realize that they went Too far and too far again and too far. and it was just too stupid It too clumsy. Stop them. Why did no one stop them? will be one of the great questions of our age Oh my God, I'm so excited to watch this. Ladies first, it's extxtraordinary. And as I said, the other film I watched this week, which is snuck out Netflix is Atack of the Meh Gator. I mean, You've had a busy week. You've been living life. So Atack of The MeF Gu is not a good film Oh, you're kidding. Compared to Ladies firstirst, it's a masterpiece. It's like watching something by Kurosawa. You know it's like the finesse, the restraint. The artistry, the wit, the use of CGI. You know. So maybe as a double bill, it's quite an interesting thing to watch. That's like Dream Prince Charles Doublebill Atack of the Meh Gator, which by the way, the thing I found a bit sad about because I like B movies. and I loved cocaine Bear. Cocaine Bear was so much better than it needed to be. and it was a really good B movie. I like a monster film. It's a great film. And this isn't a particularly good example. I mean, I'm a big fan ofnakes on the plane, as you know. Fantastic. I love the genre of animal and threat.ike I think it's great. And the Gator, I'll be fair, the CGI Gator is pretty good The bags of meth it consumes, they seem to have the impact that I suspect a lot of meth would have on someone. I don't know. There were some interesting moments because I I like those low budget movies of the sixties and seventies like Roger Corman made, for example, where often you would see people working within massive budgetary constraints and they would still produce something which had moments of quite interesting cinema. So you'd have really good actors like Jack Nicholson appearing something or like Sylphestter Stallone appearing something very early or John Cardan and quite interesting performances And in this's a young guy in the lead who's delivering quite a strange performance. and I can't work out whether or not He's a really good actor trying to do something really different. or whether he has no acting ability whatsoever. So I will need to rewatch Attack of the Mh Gatater Well I would love to watch it with you. Let's do it. Let's do it on a big screen. Let's do it on a big screen in anircon space ideally. And when he comes on screen, I say, okay, this is the performer world you'd focus on. Is he great or Is he just reading out things and he doesn't understand what they mean? Is he making a choice or is he not aware he's able to make a choice? Exactly. So maybe someone used a Bokeer Wish willillow and forced him to make this movie. But it's kind of I kind of recommend it in a weird way. I think I think I'll like it more than Ladies Fur. I think yeah, possibly possibly watch both of them at the same time But like running on two screens parallel sc pererfect. Switch your gaze between them. Anyway, it's out now. I kind of watched it say you don't have to, but if you feel brave and it's really hot outside, you want to watch something which is going to take your mind off the terboy heat, this will do it I mean, I cannot wait Let's dive into out of everything We've watched this week, what's your must watch Oh, it's a tough one. It's a tough one. It's a tough one because we have two great, I think really great films. genuinely brilliant two extraordinarily strange missteps. Well one, I mean, Meh Gatater is kind of does what it sort of does what it's meant to do. I would say for me I would say obsession. I have to agree. Obsession is definitely my unmissable Y this week. Really? genenuine, I think unmissable. I think if you if you unless you're someone who really can't stand horror films or psychological horror, then I would urge you to go and see it because it's out right now and really you would benefit from seeing it on a big screen as well And also you know what, I saw it on Monday on the heat wave and I snuck into the Picturehouse central condition, cold, cool, crisp and dark. Gorgeous. Gorgeous That's it for this week. Please get in touch and send us your questions on our Instagram. We're at Real Talk Ross. That's R W EL. so slide into our DMs. We would love to hear from you. And hopefully you'll join us again when we drop our bonus episode on Wedesday because then Honey will be able to tell you about Master of the Universe. I might touch on the Bas, which is quite a big budget series sting out for Melina on Netflix as well which has got We markly got ninety six percent of wh tomatoes. Okay, I'm listening. And I would have given it about It's fun, but I would have given it about sixty. Woof. Okay. I don't know what's happening in the world? What's happening that you'll see things and say, okay, yeah, this is not bad, it's not great, it's not bad. And then you're looking I say, whyy are people loving this? People raving about some things we know obviously, obbviously, I'm not wrong You're never wrong.ly. Thank you. So thank you for listening to real talkal. Make sure you follow the podcast and you get every episode soon as's released. And as I said, the bonus one will be dropping on Wednesday. And we like to give a secret phrase at the end of the show so that if when you write into us for questions or thoughts that we will read in the bonus episode, we know you got to the bitter end of this one. So let's make the secret phrase There's a running joke, or I use the term joke. lightly in Ladies first in which the women in the boardroom Are referring to men's balls? Grapes And Sasha Barren Kine keeps saying, We don't call them grapes. No one calls them grapes And you think, what? In what world was any of this exchange meant to be funny? So let's make the secret phrase, We don't call them grapes. We don't call them grapes. And please do keep those questions and stuff going because we love interacting with you and also let's face it If you don't want any remember all lot of content for the Wednesday. Yeah, so please write in tell us the thing that everybody's watching and raving about that you just don't agree with, don't get, you don't understand why it's so popular. We'd love to know. why you think we're wrong about anything we've said? If you saw a ladadyies first and think it's a masterpieace, please do put me rightide. I am all ears. Thank you as always for listening to podcasts. Take care of yourselself. Goodbye. By