Chasing the Feeling of Excellence

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So roughly every other morning I wake up and I go for a run in the park. Beginning workout. I love running. I also hate running. But for years I've done it because when I'm in the middle of it, when I'm feeling exhausted I can say to myself this is the hardest thing we are gonna do all day manual and it feels true the park I run around Prospect Park has this big roughly three and a half mile loop. And the toughest point of my run comes right near the end. It's this infamous, windy, massive hill. Uh, and scaling that fucker every time I run gives me such a big feeling of satisfaction for having done the hard thing. But in the last two months or so, something's been really bugging me on my runs. It's a guy. Another runner I see in the park. You see, me and this guy, we have beef. And we have beef because as this guy runs around the park, he lets person after person, runner after runner pass him, except for me . I seem to always come up behind him, right before the big hill. He's never running that fast when I see him. He just sort of glides along and he has this weird gate where he leans to one side and kicks his left leg out. But somehow it works for him. And when I see him, sometimes I swear I catch him looking at me over his shoulder, and then he just zooms away from me up the hill and eventually out of the park. I do not understand what it is about me. And as somebody who's run for a long time , it feels straight up disrespectful. It feels personal. Why won't he let me pass him? What is it about me ? I've tried beating him. Tried pacing myself just to beat him. It's no use. When we get to that hill and I come up behind him, something just changes in the dude's body language. I get a couple glimpses of his cars bulging and then he's away. The way he moves, it's it's elite . So recently I decided I need to find this guy and just figure out what the hell is happening here . Okay Okay . Ooh these hands are tight today. Okay . But first I had to catch him, which was difficult because here's what I knew about this guy. I saw him normally two to three times a week at roughly eight thirty in the morning. I didn't have his name or any other info. So I just made a plan to go at that time and see if I could intercept him . The trouble was I didn't remember exactly which days of the week I saw him, so I had no choice but to go running every damn day looking for this dude. I'd go to the park Where are you ? Where are you ? One of my normal three and a half miles around, keeping my eyes peeled for him. The first day I ran, a Monday, I ran around the park and didn't see him. And I thought, okay, I'll catch him tomorrow. The second day, I didn't see him. Third day, didn't see him. It was like this dude was annoying me even in his absence. Workout completed. What a shitty run. So hot. But then day four, I'm running. I've gotten about two miles into my run and there he is okay I'm behind him got cha I pick up my pace trying to keep up with him as best as I could I've been running at this point for a while before I see him, so my legs are screaming by the time I follow him up the massive hill. But I told myself, it's okay Emmanuel, don't worry, he's gonna stop running soon. Like he normally ends his run up here . But he doesn't end his run. Instead he keeps running with me just behind him absolutely melting in the hot humid June sun. We do a lap around the park, which again is my normal workout, about three and a half miles, but then we do another lap. The dude just keeps on chugging like the energizer bunny for 40 freaking minutes and while I am not the energizer bunny, I am dead. I could have just yelled out at him to stop but I didn't do that, because you you know, never interrupt somebody's workout . Finally, after I had run a grand total of nine miles, the guy showed some mercy, slowed down. I saw my chance. Hey my guy. So this is a weird thing, but I'm a journalist and I host a podcast called Reply All and uh it's a show about like the internet and our lives off of it and I' know Im a runner and I've been thinking a lot about the people I see around here every day. Yeah. I realize I've seen you a lot. Yeah. What's your name? Michael. Michael Emmanuel. Manual, so I asked if you could talk for a minute. So I'm just gonna go into this this my phone. We can take a break. Yeah yeah, let's do that. That would be smart . Unlike me, Michael was not panting at all. He's about my height, black, had an annoyingly good hairline, was wearing sunglasses and now that I was finally face to face with my nemesis all I could do was be polite. I don't have to say this and maybe this is all we're head. I feel like what tends to happen is I normally get within like ten, fifteen feet of you. Yeah. And then you kinda pick up the pace a bit. Oh well you know what's funny, so I'm not clocking it. It is a little awkward when when when when you're with a stranger and you're both running at the same time. I mean it's weird. I think at a certain point I think once I move past all like the the the the overthinking about it, I just like go and if and and just kinda go with it, you know? So I don't know how other people feel as I talked to Michael it became obvious to me that A, he's a lovely person, and B, he had no fucking idea who I was at all. He'd never noticed me. He told me he doesn't wear glasses when he runs. He couldn't even pick me out of a crowd if he wanted to. I just felt so silly . What can I say? It's been a weird couple of months in my head Sometimes when you're in the muck of figuring out a lot of stuff about your future, it can seem like a lot of things are about you when they're not at all. Like some obstacles are intentional when they're not . It's easy to lose sight of the fact that your rivals, real or imagined, are really just people you could and should be learning something from. Like how there's a way to run where you keep track of the number of your breaths to reach stride. Like when I got to the hill I switched my ri rhythm to two one because I need to take in more air going up the hill. Don't need to take in as much air. That's why I do the three the three the three two. Yeah. And and it it and it makes it makes it seem like you're going faster, but I'm not. How to let go of all distractions. No phone, no wallet, no nothing. I'm a minimalist runner. And how to run your own race without thinking about other runners you'll never catch Talking to Mike was helpful to me in another way, too. Because for the last few weeks, we've been trying to figure out how to make this episode. How to make a finale to seven, eight years of the show. And if anything feels like chasing after something you can't catch, it's that. Capturing all of our many feelings about Reply All in this last episode. I know it's something that Alex feels really deeply. I talked to him about it the other day. I have absolutely been paralyzed about making this last episode. Like I had I have been thinking a lot about what I could possibly do that would feel satisfying. And the answer is like there's nothing I can do. There's like no way I can encompass the pan oply of feelings I have about the show, you know? Yeah. And so in the last couple of weeks we decided, you know what ? Let's just do our thing with it . Say our goodbyes in our own ways and go. So that's what we're gonna do today. We're gonna dip into some of the lingering fe elings we have about the show and try to answer a few nagging questions before we turn the lights off . And first up is Alex Goldman . So my first gig in radio was an unpaid internship at the public radio station WNYC. Well, it wasn't totally unpaid. They gave you ten dollars a day. So like it was enough for me to buy a burrito from Chipotle at lunch every day. But you know, when I was deciding whether or not to take this basically unpaid internship, and longtime listeners might remember this. I called my dad and I asked him for advice. And he was like, do not take this job. It is not worth it. You have a safe job in tech support. You are 30 years old. It is the middle of the housing crisis. You are making a terrible mistake. And obviously he was wrong, and that was very satisfying. But, you know, I'm leaving reply all now and I have some decisions to make so I decided to call him again to see what he thought. Alright are you there? God is it your the reception in your house is so fucking bad. Can you say something? I know what can Yeah, can you hear me? Yes, please turn off your video because otherwise I'm never gonna be we're it's not w the bandwidth is gonna be too heavily consumed . All right. Let me see how to do this. All right, here we go. There I'm off. All right. Okay . I'm sorry that I immediately get frustrated. Like maybe that's not the best way to start the conversation. Go ahead. I'm ready. Anna's asking me. Anna's saying that the sound still sucks. Uh I don't know, Anna. Don't like don't blame it on me, Alex. Anna's saying that it's your fault, Dad, that the stuff still sucks. I don't think so. Oh it sounds better. Oh it sounds better now. It sounds great now. Can you manage to stay perfectly still? I am. That's what I'm gonna do. All right . Just so just so you won't yell at Ann anymore, I'm gonna just stay perfectly still. Thank you, Judge. You're welcome. Thank you . Uh so dad, I'm I'm calling you um because I I'm about to quit my job. Yeah I I heard that I guess my question to you now is like what should I do next? I don't know what to do next. I am really like I've got some time to work it out, but I am like I don't know what's coming next. And it's very scary to me . And it should be. Um you don't think you have a passion um for journalism and for performance? I gotta tell you something. So you remember, do you remember after I retired and I was retired for four or five years? And I was got really, you know, I was doing this and that. And then, you know, like I was really, really bored . I mean went back to be I went back to be a judge again for four months or so. Um you know I kind of liked it. It was good. It was it it it was you know refreshing. But uh basically since you retired, all I remember you talking about is how you get to take a nap every afternoon. That's all that's like the afternoon the afternoons that I'm home, I take a nap, and I'm probably gonna take a nap after this conversation. What I'm work I'm working three days a week now. I work three days a week. Doing what? I qu I work in a winery. I work in a tasting room in a winery. Tell me exactly what you do. So you know, I like to consider myself a wine educator . I've been wanting to say that to you for like a year. You know, so so you know I work in hospitality . You know, people come in, they stay for an hour, hour and a half, I get to spend time with them, talk with them. We don't just talk about wine, you know, we can we talk about themselves or talk about me or talk about you know life or politics or whatever and uh it's a fun way and then the next person comes in. So you know I have these best friends for like an hour to an hour and a half. I could have never made a career of it, but you know, it's fun to do two or three days as a retired person. But the point I was trying to make before you, you know, brought out my new career in the hospitality industry was uh you know I sense that even though you need a break and you need to get out of there and you need to try something new, that uh uh you've you've picked something that really fits your interests and personality. So you know, I don't know if you'll do that or not. Um what else do you think? Have you any thoughts of what other types of work you would like to do? Have I told you about the uh TV show that I want to write? No. So you remember Tales from the Crypt, that TV show? Uh-huh. So it was like a horror anthology series. It was on HBO. It came out in like the late 80s, so I was like eight or nine when it started. Right. So like I loved Tales from the Crypt. It freaked me out so bad. It was totally foundational for me as like a huge horror fan. Uh-huh. And it was hosted by this, it was like an animatronic puppet called the Crypt Keeper. And he was like this desiccated corpse, but his eyes hadn't rotted away. So he had like big weird normal eyes. Um his nose was like totally missing and he had like this crooked toothed, slimy grin.. Right And he would make like weird puns. He'd be like, ah, this tale is a ghoulish episode about a man who would kill for a break in show business. There you are, sports fiends you know dead people like me make excellent point guards when we can't get off a shot we simply pass away that is So I have this idea for a show, which is about the Crypt Keeper, the puppet, and and it's his life after Tales from the Crypt gets canceled, and like he can't get a new job in Hollywood, so he has to like take much less glamorous jobs. And he's like a single and he's a single parent of a normal human, not like another dead creature. And he has to go like and it's about it's like a drama about the crypt keeper trying to make ends meet. But he's still like a puppet and he still makes puns all the time. Okay. Your reaction is so lackluster, you hate it. Well, you know, it's it's interesting . You know, if if if if if I'm a a a producer and listening to the pitch, I'm gonna go, uh-huh . Well uh I don't uh you know, I I I'm gonna try to be sub I'm gonna be supportive of you. Well unlike a producer isn't you're because you're my dad, you're gonna be supportive of me. Like a producer's not going to be. No. Absolutely. Absolutely not. So it's entertaining. Well, that's my plan for after this, so Okay. Well you know, it's a big house. We've got a lot of spare rooms. Hey Dad . Hey. Alright. Well, okay. So I wanted to to contact you briefly because I did get a I did Oh boy. I'm a great interviewer. Am I boring you? Um I'm c I'm calling you because I wanted to tell you that I managed to track down and talk to someone very exciting. Can can you do me a favor and uh just tell me however you would want to be identified. Hi, this is John Kassier, the voice of the Crypt Keeper. You know me from uh all my years of on-camera and voiceover work. It is uh I have to say, like, I'm not really a person who gets super starstruck, but I'm a little starstruck. Dude, thanks. So so can you tell me a little bit about how you get Oh my God Sorry I had to go there. I understand. What I didn't realize was like how much of the character of the Crypt Keeper that I love John Kassier just sort of made up whole cloth. They had uh called me to go down to Kevin Yeager's studio and Kevin was, you know, of course creating the puppet version of this guy. Uh-huh. And um he was sitting there and he had a boom box with a little microphone. He was recording me and I started doing that voice for him and he was you know, because I got to see the puppet he was working on and how it had rotten teeth and holes in his throat. Was the voice like a spur-of-the-moment decision or was it something that you had thought about beforehand? I looked at the puppet and I, you know, tried to organically create what it what I thought he would sound like. And I figured I'd throw in a little bit of the Margaret Hamilton wicked witch of the West laugh and the , you know, you know, the fun with the puns that that Alfred Hitchcock had when he used to host uh Hitchcock presents and that kind of thing. And I put all those elements together and I started doing it for him. And he was like you know like that's it that's it you know and he started laughing and I started laughing which you know as the Cripkeeper which kind of stuck wow I did eventually get down to business though and pitch him my idea. Sort of trying to make it in Hollywood as an actor, but obviously there aren't that many roles for Cryptkeepers. And he's like he's like a single dad. But he's still the Criptkeeper. He's still making puns. He's still the character we know. But he it's the Criptkeeper i in his life after Tales from the Crypt . Oh yeah, that'd be great. He could have like a you know, he could have his own um uh you know, group session with uh, you know, with uh fr fr Freddie and um you know Chuck Chucky walks in every once in a while and they're like, get out of here . You know, but uh you know, it's a it's a funny idea. So are you gonna do it? I mean that's a can you at least acknowledge that's a better reception than I got from you? The voice of the Crypt Keeper, someone who might have like a little more insight? Yes. So so what do you do from here? What are you gonna do with it? So I mean there is a problem , which is that the IP rights around the Cryptkeeper are just like a total mess. So the the deal is like first you have the people who made the TV show, like John and the people at the production company. We own the rights to the episodes that exist and the Crypt Keeper that we create, you know, that was created for our show. Um Tales from the Crypt has obviously been around since the 1950s in comic book form. Right. But um there's no new episodes because we don't own the rights anymore. EC Comics owns the rights. So it's all pretty confusing, but I mean the long and short of it is if I wanted to make my show with the Crypt Keeper Puppet and the names Tales from the Crypt and The Crypt Keeper, I would have to buy rights from more than one company. And like John says that that's just next to impossible. I mean, even if I could get the rights to the puppet, I'd still have to call him like spooky undead Steve or something like that. That's that sounds to me like you need a good lawyer. Well that's that's part of the reason I was call I was calling you. You called the wrong number. Aren't you licensed to practice law in California? I'm not licensed to practice law in California. I'm only I'm only licensed to practice in Michigan. I guess I could call them from Michigan. Okay, when we are visiting Michigan in a couple of weeks, let's call HBO and see what we can do. What do you think that my uh m my chances are on this? Like if you were to give it a percentage shot. Let's say that I get a production company who's interested in this idea. Let's say they're willing to spend half a million dollars. What percentage shot do I have? Why can't you let me just dream big, Dad? Dream? You know, go ahead, you can dream on. Fuck you . I'm not stopping your dreams . You've had lots of ups and downs and you've always landed on your feet and I don't see any reason why you won't this time . You know, but I think you need to get away from where you are right now, think about it a little bit, and come up with some ideas. I already have an idea. The fucking Crypt Keeper Show. Yeah, that's bullshit. Okay . Anna, do you have anything else for me to ask him? You know, like one last thing to wrap things up. Do you have any super tech support issues that Alex could help you with . Nah, every time he touches my uh tech equipment, it gets screwed up. I I uh I deleted it from my computer . No I'm I'm good on tech right now . Yeah yeah he already he already taught me to plug unplug it and plug it. You know that's all that you need to know in order to get everything working. John Cassier will be coming to a Comic-Con or HorrorCon near you in the near future . After the break, a trip to space . Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? Zet bound to Zepatide may be able to help. Zetbound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with obesity. Or some adults with overweight who also have weight-related medical problems to lose excess body weight and keep the weight off? Zetbound is approved as a 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10, 12.5, or 15 milligram injection. Zetbound contains terzeptide and should not be used with other terzepatide-containing products or any GLP-1 receptor agonist medicines. It is not known if Zephund is safe and effective for use in children. 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Security program on spreadsheets, new regulations piling up, and audit dread. It's time for Vanta. Vanta automates security and compliance, brings evidence into one place, and cuts audit prep by 82%. Less manual work, clearer visibility, faster deals, zero chaos. Call it compliance, or call it comp liance. Get it? Join the 15,000 companies using Vanta to prove trust. Go to van ta.com slash com. Hi, this is Tim. Welcome back to the show. A couple days ago, Fia Benin of Reply All Fame and myself, we got on a call to do an interview with someone who we were really excited to talk to you for the last episode of the show. Oh , I see the top of a head. Oh god . Full confirmation of top of head. Why how do you keep making noises? It's like your body has little like synthesizers on it. Yeah. I'm such a twitchy fucker, it's gone audio. Um I have a keyboard here and this is where you're resting. Oh okay. Okay . Let's start here. Can you do you mind just introducing yourself first? My name is Breakmaster Cylinder . Breakmaster Cylinder. This is the mysterious anonymous musician who allegedly traverses the universe in a spaceship. You definitely know their music if you've listened to the show before. And if this is the first time you've listened to the show, you've really picked a weird episode . Our interview with Brakemaster came with only one condition, and it's that I tell you this: I cannot confirm or deny that you will be hearing Brakemaster's real voice, but you will . Or you won't. So you've been like writing songs not only for us, but for us for like seven, seven, eight years now. So many years. Yeah. I started working on Reply All in 2015. It was episode 16. And at the time our music library was tiny. It was maybe 25 songs, almost all of them by Brakemaster Cylinder . I didn't know who Brakemaster was, I just knew that Alex had come across this really bizarre video one day that Brakemaster had made. It was essentially a remix of Mr. Sandman, but played over horror movie clips. Alex naturally loved it, he got in touch, Brake Master started collaborating with the show . And for me it was such a blast to discover this library of Breakmaster Cylinder's music. Every song had so much of its own personality, like this one, warning signs. Or this one beef stroken off . But I quickly discovered that it was really hard to score all of the different moods that we wanted to hit in our stories with just a few really high-energy, high personality songs. So in a Slack channel, I started writing with Breakmaster Cylinder. This was the only place we would communicate. And I would ask for new songs, like, hey, in this moment of this story, we need like an evil, ragtime, you're dying kind of feeling. Or could you make something that feels like you're having a panic attack and your heart is in your head. Breakmaster was always game for these conversations, like no matter how weird the note was. You asked me for like tortoise music and uh You're you're obsessed with long swaths of tension and texture and minimal notes that are spaced out. Which is great. Wait, tortoise music. That was for Damiano's story where he's like looking for a missing turtle, right? Yeah, it was specifically like I think he described the turtle and possibly its personality. Over the years, our library grew to hundreds of songs, most of them written by Brakemaster Cylinder . Their music has just become such a huge part of how we tell stories. So, Fia and I, we wanted to talk with Breakmaster about some of our favorite songs . All right, so I want to start with the very first song that I remember hearing and really loving in the music library. Here it is. Drumcorecore. Yeah, drum drumcore beats . It was it's the instrumental to a Britney Spears remix. For a contest. Sorry, wait, it's the what? It's the instrumental to what? Yeah, it's a Britney Spears remix. You can put the a cappella for toxic over it. They did weekly beat battles, and that's how I actually also wrote a third of the library. Really? Yeah. So I'm picturing you writing these things like in the middle of the night. Where where are you actually when you're making this mus ic? I'd say almost everything in the library was written pulled over on the side of the road. I can actually almost remember every street corner if I hear a song. Are you wait are you s you serious? They're all written in your car? Uh ship, yeah. Uh yeah, I mean sorry, in your ship, sorry. I had contract work to do and I was out a lot and I can't not be making music, so wow okay okay here's another um this is a really good one for like the villain enters the story this is a song that we use so much early on. Do you know the name? Oh, uh 8-bit breakdown? No, it's uh 8-bit adventure time. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember writing this one? Yes, I was gonna Starbucks. I remember smelling a lot of espresso. Those shakers are a collection of shells on a little fishing line that I've had since 200 6. What does it mean that you're writing the song in the Starbucks? Is it like are you are you recording something into a voice memo? Are you No, I was just sitting there with a laptop. Ah, okay. Yeah, I'm just laptop and headphones and then like sit in a bathtub. Like it doesn't matter really. You can go anywhere. Have beep boop will travel. Beep boop will travel . This one is Jupiter , which is fitting because we would always use pieces of it just to score like other worldly moments in stories . I was sitting outside a bed bath and beyond. Really? It has that feeling. That's right, this is the beyond. I was only there for bed and baths, so I had to fucking round it out somehow. This one's called Beaming . It was one of the first ones I ever ever wrote for the purposes of making a scoring library. Basically started this with you . Y'all are the entire reason I'm here . Wow . Breakmaster, I'm curious, are there things that come to mind for you. I started looking through lists of everything that I ever wrote for you, and the stuff that I actually wanted to listen to was re piecing the episodes at the end of the episodes. Yeah. There was a period on the show where we had to have something after the credits so that there could be an ad and then more reply all. And so we asked you to make the more reply all after the ad after the credits. Yep. Right. Like making new reply all episodes out of pieces of previous ones. And that made me happy listening to it again. Oh, well, do you want to play as one of those? How do we do that? How do we do that? Hell yes. All right, here we go. This is called yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no. Reply all. Welcome once again to yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no, where our boss, Alex Bloomberg, finds stuff on the internet and comes to us to explain it to him. All right, so so I have this tweet, then it says cuckball. cuckball. Hufflepuff Manosphere. Fortune. Cuckball. BJ Vode. Do you know what the sweet means? Yeah. Alex Goldman. Yes. Nasnine. Yeah. Truthy. Yes. Damiano? Yes. Schneider. Really? Matt Farley.. Oh yeah Fear Benin. Yes. Cleela Holt. Yeah. Tim Howard. Yeah. Zardulu. Can you get used to it? Uh Alex Bloomberg, do you know what this tweet means? I do not. All right, let's get into it. So the internet is kind of like a nightmare cesspool that is full of offensive stuff. Got it. It seems like we're yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I wanted to ask, I mean, I think there is a thing where like listeners are very curious about you Can we use his voice to be me ? No . Okay . No, I'm not Alex Coleman. The other thing that I was thinking about is: are there major life events that you feel comfortable sharing that have happened to you in the last seven, eight years? I mean family changes, spaceship changes. Um Are you comfortable saying what dec decade of life you're in? About early mid . Early midlife. Have you lived in the same section of the country always? No. How many sections of the country have you lived in? Three . How many sections of the country would you define it as having ? Five. Five. Have you ever had a job that is distinctly not in music? Oh yeah. I've delivered every kind of food I imagine . I drove around listening to MF Doom on a cassette deck in a sweet, sweet old mobile that only existed for a short amount of time. Are you comfortable saying your uh astrological sign? Yeah, I guess, because who gives a shit? Uh Taurus . Oh, happy birthday. Oh thanks. Did you have braces as a child? I can't really reveal whether I have a face or not. Oh. Mm-hmm. Um what's the first instrument you ever played? Piano. Piano. Do you actually ride a motorcycle or just own a motorcycle helmet? There are no motorcycles in space. Um, I wanna play one more song that's really important to me. Um so normally at the end of the episodes we play this song called Westwood. Which sounds like this . But there's this other version called Westwood Bong Hit Dream Version . On a couch facing upward . This was like five AM in a dar kened room, knowing that I was about to be interrupted at any moment, staring at the ceiling . Not high. Interrupted by the start of the day? No . Something was going to succinctly come in and and end it. Not badly enough. So for context, we did this one because we were making this episode back in 2015 in in the summer in August, which originally we were going to call What Do You Expect? It's August. Because the whole idea was we were so burnt out. And I was so mad that we had to work in August because I had a friend in France who who I would always talk to and he'd tell me about what his family would do in August. And then so we were like, Well, god damn it, the last episode of the end of August needs to capture how ridiculous is that anybody is working in August, which it continues to be ridiculous that anybody is working in August. But I've never even heard anyone suggest that about August. I've never heard anyone worked out worked up about August in any way. You s need to spend more time with Tim. Okay. Let's do it. Anyway, we came up with today's the day to do like an episode where PJ and Alex just go outside and explore New York City for a day. And while we were making that episode, I was just kind of feeling like it's it's supposed to feel like a departure from a normal story. So it so it felt like something else about it should have a more like I don't know, like a freeing feeling to it. Do you remember like do you remember what it was? Like, did I just say, can you just do like a bong hit version of Westwood? Was that all it was? That's literally, I think, the sentence . And I think I wrote that in that was one of the shortest it's ever taken me to write a song, and I don't know why. All the short ones are the ones that people like. Wow yeah I just think this song is so beautiful and you know what let's just listen to more of the song That is just the rolling foggiest music. Yeah . But see that's the thing. This is the stuff that it's like, don't you wanna be able to just like throw on this like album in a year, Tim? Like don't you wanna be able to listen all this shit anytime Gimme your address that isn't Gimlet like right now and you'll be in there in what thirty seconds. That makes me very, very happy master. What is the um best way that we should help people get their hands on your music? Um Bandcamp. Bandcamp has every album it's something like twenty-three by now, I think. Bandcamp is always the best place, I think, to get any artist music. Great. Thanks so much for chatting with us. Can't express what a pleasure it is. And also just like what a crazy pleasure it is to use your music because it's so so fucking good. Thanks. That's really nice to talk to . Same time tomorrow. Great . Perfect You can find Breakmaster Cylinder's music, including the 31 part BMC and Dog in Space drama that they made for the show all at breakmaster cylinder.bandcamp.com and up next manual So I know it's a little strange, but in these last few weeks of making the show, I've been thinking a lot about my high school marching band. My sophomore year, our band was okay . Like we really tried our best, but at the end of the day, we were a very nerdy, pretty average marching band. When we performed at football games, it always felt like the people in the crowd watching the g Like I even remember an occasion where the person running the sound system just forgot we were supposed to play and started blasting Let's Get It Started by the black-eyed peas instead. Marching band is hard. To put on a really great show, a lot of things have to come together. Somehow, as many as 250 people have to figure out how to run around the field with their feet marching in time with each other. At the same time as they're making a bunch of complicated shapes and formations, all while playing their instrument or dancing or throwing batons and flags into the air. And when shit goes left, it goes really left like sometimes all it takes is for one person to mess up one domino falling out of place and the entire show can collapse if you don't believe me just google seven tuber pile up One of the worst things that can happen is this thing we call a tear, where whole sections of a band get completely out of sync with each other, causing chaos . Occasionally things with my marching band would get so bad that we'd tear and it would be awful. We'd get really frustrated with each other as a result . I kinda wanted to quit . But then I changed my mind. It was a YouTube video that did it. A YouTube video that turned 14-year-old me into a damn bad whole ass marching band nerd . It's a pretty grainy video. It looks like it's shot on a flip phone. Whoever is filming is looking across a football field at a college marching band, which is standing in the beaches in this sort of half-empty stadium. And everybody in this place is just looking at this band, waiting for what's about to happen. And then it begins. That band I was watching at the computer in my parents' living room, the Southern University Human Jukebox, was not like my high school marching band. This was a rude, loud, beautiful back band. To the people watching and screaming their heads off in this video, in that moment, it wasn't about the football game. It was all about the band. All about trumpets who were playing notes so high, I only knew about them in theory. All about dancers that could have come straight out of Beyoncé's Coachella set. It was impossible to ignore how good they were. Every part of their performance, the the passion, the flair of it, told me that every single person in that band was giving everything and totally completely locked in . It made me wonder, what would it be like to be a part of something anything like that, with so many amazing people pulling along with you, all in sync? What did that feel like? That video so inspired me that I went from wanting to quit band my sophomore year to be ing the drum major of it, my junior year. And I started sending that video and others around to a ton of people in band saying, see this, let's be like that . That year, we worked really hard to improve. We got better at marching, played more popular music that the student section was into, you know, like I've got a feeling by the black eyed peas. We still messed up, we tear from time to time. But every now and then there were these moments where every single kid would do exactly what they were supposed to do at the exact moment they were supposed to do it. The snare line feature would be clean, the colour guard would catch all their flag tosses, the brass would nail a really beautiful cord all at the same time to create this incredible moment . And I'd leave the field after a performance thinking, damn, we really kicked the living shit out of that . Ever since then, since high school, I've been chasing that feeling of being locked in. I'll stay up late at night watching marching band videos, discovering new performances that inspire me . Like Fairfield Central High School's band with William Bilal on trombone en honor to God Classic . But I also spend a lot of time chasing that feeling in my work. Without question, there have been so many times on this show where I've listened to something me and my colleagues have just made and heard the fingerprints of every single person involved giving absolutely everything of themselves, doing exactly what was asked of them in a way that would keep teenage me up all night with excitement. It's made working on this show so incredibly addictive to me . I've never really spent any time listening back to our old stories though. Because even when it felt really hard on this show, I've had faith that my craving for that feeling of being locked in for excellence will be satisfied once more. I've always believed in the ability of my co workers to amaze me again. And they have . But now of, course we,'re leaving the so-called field for the last time. There will be no new performances . Very soon this show will be a place I used to work. And I think then I'll listen back to what we 've done here. Listen back to the times we tore apart. Listen back to the times we were locked in. And feel like I'm back here again with the many people who shared so many weird and wonderful moments with me . I'm so grateful. Thank you so much for listening . Reply all is produced by Fia Bennin, Anna Foley, Lisa Wang, Sonia Das ani, Bethel Habte, and Kim Naderfane Peterser. It's edited by Tim Howard, Damiano Marchetti, and Aaron Edwards. The show is hosted by Emmanuel Jochy and me, Alex Goldman. Our intern is Sam Gebauer. They have been such a great help these past