Reflecting on Julia and Future Episodes

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Absolutely. So for the first half of this episode, we don't hear anything from Michelle, but she ends up winning this reward challenge and then we start to hear Michelle's kind of like her her win her winner montage here, right? Like she makes a move to go on this reward, to make sure Aubrey's there on the reward as well. And then on the reward, she tells us about her social game. And as we will always outline, Michelles superpower is her social game. And she knows it, too. She's aware theyre like No, if I can get in good with people, if I can make people feel good about me, they won't want to target me. they might want to work with me. And guess what? at the end, they'll probably want to vote for me. And so we're going to see the beginning of that right here. Yeah. And it's interesting. you know, I hadn't really thought on paper that there were a lot of parallels between Aubrey's season fifty win and Michelle's win in Survivor Co wrong But you know, after starting to watch it back and you know, having talked to Aubrey about her season fifty game, she talked about like there her biggest moves were like knowing when to shut up. Knowing when not to do something. And I think that that was exactly the case for Michelle here in this episode of that Michelle's move here is I mean, and really it's it's ultimately Syidney's move. I think that maybe Michelle would go with Syidney if Sydney wanted to save Julia here, but Michelle doesn't sick her neck out for Julia. She lets Julia go Yeah, perfect spot, right? I think you're right. I think the closer we get to the end, it is going to be very apparent that you know the first similarity I see is that Aubrey and Michelle at this point in both of their winning games. They're not the biggest threat.. There are other people that you got to get out And then when it's time to get them out Oh wait, I can't get them out. right? And I think that's what's going on here. Like right now, yeah, Jason's got to go, Julia's got to go. And then at that point, yeah, Michelle, you got to go. But all she has to do is make it to the end because it doesn't matter who she's with. this this minority alliance that has just formed is going to vote for her. And it's not a shock that that happens, right? Alliances vote for their their their avatar, their representative all the time. And So when Michelle makes it to the end This particular alliance of her, Julia, Scott, Jason, like that becomes a thing at this point. And so those people are they're in the minority. and so they're rooting for somebody who's in a minority with them, Michelle to come out on top and she does. And so yeah, it is a mistake that they're not able to get Michelle out, but Michelle's about to start winning a couple of immunities too. So I don't even know if they're going to have a chance to get her out Yeah, Michelle has a really impressive immunity win here in this episode. She's really starting to heat up. I don't know, have we talked about it yet in this rewatch that both Michelle here in Survivor Co wrong and then Aubrey also in Survivor fifty, neither of them go to tribal counsel in the pre marge. That's also something that they have in common. It totally helps. you know, Jeff called it the most efficient way to play a survivor and you know, take some notes. I was watching outlast the jungle. I know I been I know you've started it. but there is a metric that they have where you can Vo Or like I guess like like a system that they have where you can like get a reward. If you vote somebody off of your tribe that'll give you something, you know, it' like you can like, oh yeah, I get rid of you, but in return, I get something else. And then there's also like you can vote somebody else off of somebody else's tribe. And I really think that that's something that can help in those situations where you have a big strong man like Jonathan carrying you to the end. If there's a way we can get him off. like if we could just get Jonathan to our team Then we can start winning immunities, right? because there's some of these people it's really hard to win with that, you know, with them on their teams. This is not so much the case here, but it's definitely would have been beneficial for anybody to be able to stop Aubrey in the pre merge, you know, in Sviva fifty. Not that she was Jonathan and was like carrying Aubrey, but I think there' situations where if I can avoid going to tribal counsel, it g me a little bit more a runway. People like Sandra need that You know, just just a little breathing room to where I'm not just, I'm not the most expendable person here. And so yeah, if I'm ever able to get myself on a tribe where we're the winners all the time, take it. You won't get any screen time, but you might win the game. So this is the aftermath of Scott going home and ultimately the huge moment where Ty doesn't play the idol on Jason. I don't know if we have any like big top ten moments of the season here in this particular episode. What stood out to you in episode eleven Well, for one, yeah, we do have to talk about the that Ty, you know, it comes back and he's kind of on the apology tour because Julet and Michelle are pissed. They were left out of the vote. but Ty's point is my favorite thing people do on sururvivor. It's when people get mad at them for not getting voted out by you It's like, you left me out of the boat. He's like, you voted for me. And she's like, Yeahah, but still, whatever I don't care, you know? And at that point, Yeah, Julia is firmly at the bottom. She's been playing both sides and Ty is trying not to be enemy number one, but there's no way he can avoid that at this point. He is a big shiny target for people like Jason and Julia. He has an advantage. He has an idol. He's flip flop, he's burned these people and they want him out. And so kind of watching Ty navigate you know, the damage control portion of the game was interesting to me Rob at the end of last episode, I didn't get to flag this up I would love to point out that had T saved Scott with that super idol, Ty probably gets voted out there and you know, on the tie brereak rules, whatever they are with with a super idol in play You know, Scott safe, Tie guy votes, Ay guy votes, the revote Tie' going. So it really made no sense for him to do that. That mt him for nothing. Let's talk that through a little bit because you and I were talking about this for like five, ten minutes after we finished the last podcast and ye we almost came back on and added it to the last we could talk about it. So ye there it was the final eight and there were four votes that were for Scott It was Aubrey Syidney, Joe and Ty. They vote for Scott. And then there are two votes for Aubrey. That's from Jason and Scott. And then there are two votes for Ty from Michelle and Julia. So if Ty gives his half of the idol to Scott, and then they play the super idol and Scott goes home Now all of the sudden, it's a two two tie. T votes for Ty, two votes for Aubrey. Ty just gave away his immunity idol. and now we have to have a revote and it's entirely possible and the revote Ty goes home. Yeah, um Because Jason's going to vote for Arrey, Scott's going to vot for Aubrey Um Ty and Michelle. I mean, Michelle and Juliia just voted for Ty. I doubt they flipped to then Aubrey at that point. Syidney voted, you know, with Aubrey. So she's probably still going to vote Aubrey here to vote out Ty Joe is going to vote out Tie here. It'd be crazy for him to do this And so you know, I get why they're mad. He definitely betrayed them. But it wasn't the not playing the Super Ido that was a betrayal. It's not voting with them. they lost they lost T when he didn't vote for Scott. That's the moment he betrayed them. Chhele It's interesting that I mean everybody talks about Ty though of like we're not going to the end with Ty. You heard Jason and Scott talk about this. You heard Siddney in his episode like we're not going to the end with no damn Ty No dam it. We're not doing that He does go to the end. I think he only gets one vote And It seems like that it's day twenty eight now. by day thirty nine, the support for Ti in the finals and maybe it's just that there was overwhelming support for Michelle. mayaybe he was kind of up against tough competition, but he's looking like the most unbeatable person in the final three And he ultimately gets there and it doesn't go great. Who votes for T I mayaybe is he a zero vote fine? think he he get vote In my mind, I feel like is it was it like five be the one Um Let me let me look let me fact check this. but yeah, because I'm thinking like listen, I'm not looking. I don't see a lot of tie votes here on this jury at this point. Yeah. Okaykay, let's say Ty at this point. He's a big threat, but he's everybody's second favorite beauty right now. Michelle still outranks him in the beauty vote, rightight? So if it's like Ken vers and Michelle, they're going to vote for Michelle. She hasn't done the things that Ty has done to piss everybody off. You can say the same thing about Aubrey on the other side like, yeah, in theory, Ty is is well loved, but Aubrey's automatically going to get Joe The question is she going to get Sidney? Is she going to get, you know? So I think if it's a final two between Ty and anybody, it might be tough A final three gives you a third option and if you're voting against Tie, There there's someone else you can go to, but you're right. They talk about him like He's unbeatable if he makes it to the end. he's just not Tai is a zero vote finalist Yeah. When you said it, I thought I was like, oh, he got a vote. kind of I don't thought he had a vote, but he didn't get if Mark the Chicken had a vote. He would guess it if But you M to have p analist Yeah, T Ty doesn't get ao here, but you're right. The way they talk about Ty, it's that they they think of him as a threat. But I think as the game goes on, Ty loses grasp of what he's doing. I think he become he looks like he's looked at as a follower and a flip flopper right now. Nobody loves a flip flopper. And so, you know, especially when they feel personally betrayed by him. you know, it does feel like Jason is like Hey, I'm going to make Ti pay for what he did, you know, It doesn't feel like game recognized game, you know, you know, it feels like oh my, you know, it's going to be his last thing. He does. He's going to try to take out Ty. And it doesn't feel like it in a competitive way. feels like are you betrayed me and so now I'm going to betray you And so yeah, I think socially Ty doesn't do a really good job of kind of sureuring up these voters in the end, you know, and then he sits by people who are massively liked, you know, with Michelle with Aubrey. And so he put himself in probably the worst case scenario to win. and it takes you back to that idea that you were talking about was like, is it a mistake for him to let Scott and Jason go Kind of, yeah, a little bit because he could definitely beat them and he wouldn't have betrayed them If he hadn't done that. So yeah, Something to think about Yeah, I do think that for Ty and Jason, I'm interested to see how the rest of the season that. I know they are pro Michelle They seem anti tie Do they turn anti Auby? Do they nothing Auby Let's say that nothing Aubrey or let's say they're positive Aubrey. I think they're more positive, Michelle. I think thates, you know, look, we've never heard anybody say her name as a person a possible vote out to this point, You know, fair that she hadn't actually gone to tribal counsel. but we didn't even see like anybody just like Okay, if if we go to the tribal cououncil, Michelle iss definitely going here. I don't think that conversation ever came up. There was probably never even the numbers to do that. So we know they have positive feelings about her. no one's complained about her being arrogant or anything like that. And then she'll go on to tell us about how good her social game is in this episode by talking about all the things she's doing to stay on everybody's good side. So at the very end of the day, I think you can just look over there and be like It'd be cool of Michelle Wne. I like her life, you know and And I think that's probably what's about to happen to Aubrey. She's going to look up and be sitting next to the most likable person in the season We see that Ty goes to Jason. He wants to talk about what happened after all of this. And you brought this up initially. Jason is pissed. He says this is a half ass apology from Ty Yeah, Ty' doing damage control. He's like, I don't really like betraying people. I do feel bad. and I probably believe that he does feel bad, but it doesn't matter. He can't say anything to Jason to change his mind. Jason said something very curious to me though. He was like, I can't let him see how mad I am It doesn't Why These last few weeks you've been drawn tantrums and everything, nobody. Nobody cared about social gam back then. when Scott was here, y'all was roow shamboing and pissing everybody off and of aden it's canan't let them know what's happening is ots out of the game and now you've remememberered you were playing survivor. Look at that. Mmhm. crazy. yeep. Ti says, you know, I was afraid that you would come back here after and you would kill Mark the chicken Mwhile Juli is like we should kill Mark the chicken. Yeah, Julie's like,y let's put out tie and kill Mark the chicken Yeah, he was right. Ty had a good read on the situation. He also said he didn't want to go on with the idol in his pocket. He will definitely do that. for sure Yeah Okay The reward in this episode is a fun one. The competition itself is whatever, you know, we're going to have it's the final seven. We're going to have our we're going to draw groups of two And nobody picks Kyle Jason, right Yeah, he has to sit out. And so he won't be eligible but he is eligible to get chosen.. Yeah, he's eligible to get chosen. And so Sydney and Michelle They become quite the duo in this episode. We've been seeing more of Aubrey and Sydney, but really a lot of Sydney and Michelle in this episode. their' partners together and they win the reward and they get to pick one person and they unanimously agree. It's Aubrey and this is such so cool Aubrey Michelle Syidney. They're going off on their adventure And I mean, this could be its own spinoff. Make them makeake the movie We should call it Brands versus beauty versus Brand because that's what it is. Yeah one of these popum girls out here. Right. And u I think that are three best players of the season. So it's really cool to see them get to have this moment together because like no matter which your rooting interest is like, how can you not get behind one of them as the winner? And even like again, even at first if you haven't seen a lot from Michelle, which we have highlighted that you haven't in this episode. she comes off very likable, very pleasant season. Let's do it Yeah, what? That' be so dope. But yeah, she just comes off so likable in this moment. And at first I was like, Why would she pick Opery so easily? You know, I was like, she But then I was like, wait. Yeah. She's right Make yourself nice because Julia is plummeted to the bottom with Jason, you could at least outflank them for a couple rounds This would would be such a good season to have. You know, thenen they would bring back three women as captains in sort of like a mirror image of Philippines, where they brought back three men as captains. Yeah. And it would be and they have some common bond. And then you also could do it like at's the new Brains versus beauty versus Brawn And like Michelle and Aubrey, would it work together? W it would be like, you know, it has like a whole coach and Ausszie element to it. I' like, we're good now. We're besties and then something could happen And there's had a Sydney play into this It Sydney Is Siddney outmatched here though being up against two winners? Is that not fair to her? Probably, but she's It's very Brawny. She's very brawny and she easily she could have won Yeah, she she could dont maybe she tal this season. Maybe she wins the season we're talking about Yeah, this is the one and she like' the equalizer and they all have a thing. I think they all deserve a win at some point. So they' got to bring Citity back so she can bring her back And it's like, you know, I felt like when I was on the traders with Jam Jam Natalie like likem I'm I'm not a winner. Yeah, but it's like it's still it still made sense for you to be there. So you're right, you're right. Sydney could come back in that spot. And yeah, they like I like how you brought up Philippines but I was thinking more Guatemala, you know, when they look up and then they like ascending like gods, you know, the goddesses coming down to like, okay, to you know, to give them their survivor knowledge, mayaybe even like Island love the Iidols where o Okay, they don't get to play, you know, they played a bunch of times. they won, you know, whatever. it's fine. But maybe you go to the Island of the Idols and you get to talk to one of your representative, right? Your brain, your beauty, or your brone your tribe and they can give you what you need. I like it. I think there's something here, Robt. This's something here. This is a good idea. Yeah. Send this send this through to Samoa. Yeah Let me know because yeah, this is the this is the most fun The season to me, this scen, this is so cool. Yeah. You know, I like the Caleb and Thi stuff. that was fun. but this little reward challenge is just like Yeah, let Michelle be joyful, Let Syidney and Aubrey be joyful. They all seem like they're having a good time. This is no strategy talk, but overall, It was just cool to see them all chilling together It's summer, it's hot out. You want clothes that feel cool and comfortable. You don't want to feel like you've gotten a punishment from Big Brother in the Vveito competition. You want stuff that's easy like these Quince European linen beach shorts that I have that I love that they are perfect for whether I'm podcasting or Going out and going outside, I love it so much. They're lightweight, breathable, draw strring waist, relaxed fit, and they're very affordable, comparable linen shorts from other brands are running over a hundred dollars basically for the same thing. And it's not just the shorts. Every at Quints is priced fifty percent to eighty percent less than similar brands. 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Boxes were everywhere, I needed a break from unpacking. But just as I was able to take a breath and open my Hershey's Cookies and creream bar, m and roommate Rachel walked in I offered her a piece, but she said no Then after a bech, she said, actuallyually, those are my favorite ones We left. The ice was broken and we've been friends ever since Hershe's, It's your happy place We said in the last episode, they're eating this season. Everybody we're getting a lot of food. It was the final seven. we get three people going for big meal, fried chicken, wine, coleslaw. Here's the origin of Aubrey's coluleslaw love Yeah, some corn on the cob as well soft drinks. and then they got to take the chopa.. You know, we love a chopa here. Yeah. Yeah, they got the wine and they were hype about the wine. you know, Michelle, she's like, Hey, yeah, this is my this is right my life. I think she had a beer last episode. Michelle' just living life. Yeah. Yeah. it's good to be Michelle right now. And they're talking Michelle and Syiddney and Aubrey and They're talking about that they don't want to go to the end with Tie. Tie is a big target right now Mmh. He's got a lot of he's got a lot of tools in his tool chest, you know, with his with his idol and his extra vu and so it would be great to get him out. U But there are other people who might be bigger threats out there. And so we'll see if they're able to get tie out But he's not goingy number one as they are saying he is. Yeah. But they are talking about. they don't want to go to the end with him. Meanwhile, Juliet and Jason they're saying we need to get out Tie We also need to get out tie Yeah. and they have to wait on Syidney to do it. And this is really like the the poetic justice here, right? Is they like Jason and Scott have been so salty about Sydney. lastast round it was just give us Sydney. justust give us Sydney and we'll act like we actually have good sense here. J let us have it. Now here Julia and Jason are like Okay, Joe's not going to talk to us. I think we got to go to Syney Yeah. And Sydney. She's notg business. Yeah, talk to me. What's like, what yalll, whichich I got going on over there. So this was fun. This Sydney iss a bit of a swing vote here where it's sort of looked at where it's like, okay, now Aubrey and Joe now they have tie. whereere Scott and Jason had Tie. now it seems like Aubrey and Joe They have Tie and Michelle she could go either way. She ends up sort of, I guess in a voting block with Siddney where that Michelle will go where Sydney goes on this phone Yeah, it seem. That is true That is true. think I think right now, Aubrey and Syidney are going to the in together. I think they have no intention of turning on each other at all and they're looking for who they want to sit with because they talk about how they can't go with T. They're not going to go with Julia, You know, they talk about Julia' a bigger threat. Jason, they they clearly don't want to go with him, which is Qionable But but yeah, but Michelle, they don't really sound like they're interested in getting Michelle out anytime soon. So ye. she's kind of good with whatever they got going on. Well, sometimes these groups go on a final going a reward at the final seven, final six. They kind of lock in a final three. And I wonder if at this point in time If Aubrey and Sidney are looking at Michelle And really, it's great for Sydney. Sydney's kind of in the middle. She's like, great, this is Michelle, this is Aubrey. I like this. I'll go to the final three with these two. And I wnder We didn't see it, but do they do they say like, hey, we're going we're doing this It feels like it. it does. Now the question is, is Siddney making a good choice by saying let me go to the end with Michelle? You know, we know Michelle will ultimately win the season, but I really curious is to think okay, what votes does Sydney think she's going to get? If it does become a final, let's say final three with her and Aubrey and us and Michelle Like you have to assume Michelle is going to get the beuties, you know. Yeah Michellean up, I think at the final Tble G. I think that Sydney could get Debbie in this scenario? And that's it She's not getting Jason, She's not getting Scott. She's not getting Julia. No. Maybe she gets Ti But It'll be T with Mich. seen didn't even have a conversation with Ty That's why I said maybe because I don't know. like I don't want to be like, She's not getting Tie. Who knows what T is going to do honestly. But yeah, right now, I think Siddney's just trying to get to the end, you know, get the vibe that she's not the biggest survor fan. So she probably hasn a really You' think Nick Well he didn't vote for Michelle. He votote. He was a Aubreyot. Like Iy I think he's Aubrey Gyy. Yeah. He said I thought I could see myself playing with Aubrey and Syidney did work to get Nick out. and I think he's vindictive. So I think that he probably six days Aubrey Yeah, the issue here with Sydney is that the person that she wants to go to the final two, the people that she wanted to go to fininal two wanted her out fininal three wanton her out. and that was Scott and Jason. If she could have taken them to the final three, I think she clean easily.. But yeah now. Maybe she gets there with Joe and Ty. I think she can pull it off, but other than that with Joe and Jason, Joe and Ty. I think you could pull it that out otherther than that I think Sidney is playing a losing game at this point. Maybe maybe if it's just her and Aubrey in the fininal two, I think she might be able to be Aubrey, but yeah, she's just kind of She's got shes got to figure this one out. because I think she's in aight spot but I just don't In my mind, I don't see a world where she's already factored in the jury vote component as somebody who's not a really big fan of the show. She's probably not looking at it along those lines Let's talk about the immunity challenge here. and this is a good one and it's a great moment for Michelle. I thought it was in the episode, but maybe she says in her post game interviews that she was able to, if you didn't watch the episode It's a memorization challenge, kind of shades of Stephven goingpect Yeah and doing the challenge in the orrder of operations. And this was that they had like a puzzle board where there was an animal shape that represented a number and you had to memorize that. And Michelle and Julia, they both did it. They memorized all ten numbers on one trip Yeah, everybody was very impressed with how she did that. For Michelle, it helps that she's been eating a lot. You know, because her brain, her blood flow is still, everythingthing's good there. There's a zero percent chance that I would I would still be out there to this day. ten years later, ten years later J I would just be down there just struggling. I would be so bad at this. Even when Stehen explained his tokienchine thing like all phone numbers are seven digits or ten digits, blah blah blah Hey, that shit went over my head so fast and so for Michelle to be like, Yeahah, I just memorize it. Hey, kudos to you I could never. She remembered drink orders at the bar This is what she does. Look I remember Dream Gord as two, but damn not as good as her. She's as good as her. And yeah this was a cool challenge. And again, it's the type of thing that you don't get anything like this in the post merge of the new er. Like this isn't even hard You just don't have anything that's it's there's so same me say the challenge is not to be same me say myself. It's not like a broken record. But this was a cool challenge I think both the challenges were different and not hard. I think the first one was Ring toss like sly you know. J was like Joe who was actually gonna jo killing it. Yeah. So yeah, I think this might be around a time where people were like, there are too many puzzles you know, like the those those strong people can't win. They got to give them we got to give them stuff that they can do, you know? And so Yeah, you thrw one of these in I think we see some different immunity winners in season fifty. Yeah. There was a cool picture also I remember of like everybody at the The code board like looking at it. And I remember this saying like,kay, this is like an album cover of everybody staring at the survivor coorong players like all looking at the thing at the same time No, this is super cool. This is super cool. And then again, this is like the beginning of Michelle rising, right? Like she is about to become the biggest threat. They don't know it because they're too busy they're distracted by Julia and Jason. but there's a sleeping giant amongst them. Yeah. just not aware. Yeah, the sleeping giant is on the jury Yeah I don't think he's sleeping. He's had's a weird look though. Yeah had the buttoned up all the way to the top. thought that was odd. Yeah, I didn I didn't catch Scott's jury look It's not they're not, hey, this is the era where they're not doing the looks the right way. I would love to know Who's the first one to really be like, you know what? Let me put off for dr you because I know in your book, you talk about you should on the jury. Yeah. Saul, I think really is the game changer. I think that's Saul and his vest I remember and David versus Goliath, I remember Davey coming out with his fresh haircut. I'm trying to think is there, But if anything happens before then, but Saul is the next big one that I the big moment I can think of. I think there's another moment in San history where somebody comes out and someone goes And I can't remember who it was that they wowed about. It was a woman. And I think they were just like they hadn't they would they weren't used to her looking not rough, you know. So I mean, you saw the people on the jury in season fifty. It was like that it was the jury has been like Trerificification of the final of the jury. All you have left. I mean, don't get wrong, You get to vote. but no what My entrance. That's the one time y'all could be looking at me after I'm vot out the game. I'm coming out like that would be the whole reason I would play is just for that one moment where I could do my least Ana entrance. Pe in the early days, the survivor had like whack looks like Lex is like, I'm going to have a moohawk. I'm gonna have a handlebar mustache. like we're all gonna wear black. like they would just do like wacky things. and nobody was like trying to like look Good Right, Whereas I'm like, that's the moment. That's where you got that's where you got to show up. What are you talking about? This is the last time and don't get me wrong. Yeah, you'll be on the jury for however many episodes. But that first entrance where they say Chappelle voted out the last trial council, all eyes on you. You know you're about to get screen time for at least five seconds Make it look good. Make it looks sexy. Make it look. Yep. Okay. so we're going to tribal council and we are seeing a couple of different plans. The Jason and Julia plan. They're hoping that Siddney and Michelle come with them and they are going to go withith the with the Thie plan What did you think about the Thie plane because Jason says, y'all vote for Ty with us If he plays his idol, one of us will go home because that's who he's voting for. And if not, then we get rid of Ty and he's gone and y'all gotten rid of the biggest thret. What do you think about that as a pitch It's not a bad pitch. I don't know how Sydney does it without losing Opering And so unless there's like engineering some great way for Syiddney to get to the end, maybe feeling like, okay, if I go to the end with Jason and Julia, do I win? And so maybe Maybe that's the advantage for Sydney But I don't know how much she can trust that like to totally turn on Aubrey and go Siddney, Jason and Julia is the better final four for her Honestly on paper, I'm kind of liking it. I just don't think that she can trust Jason Yeah, this is if you if you go with the plan, this is how you get three to one out the game, right? Like you you now vote for Td. they vote for you. Jason been been targeting you this whole time. What's stopping Jason and Julia and Michelle for them turning around and voting out Sidney. She just betrayed Michelle last round. you know, like she have to have a lot of faith in Jason to go with this plan.. She should not have faith in Jason or Michelle at this point. She just betrayed both of them and even, you know, lesser extent, Michelle But definitely Julia, she seems very unhappy. So they're telling you like, we're mad but we got over it butome with us to do this cool plan to get outsie. Cool plan, but not enough for me to run and risk my game on it. I don't know. So I thought I thought it was also a Interesting proposal, but just not one that you can hang your hat on. This is you end up three to one out of the game. Yeahes, Sydney and Michelle they're talking in this episode. I have the options who vote for Ty vote for Julia. We see a lot from Michelle's point of view Not very much from Aubrey's point of view in this episode. Really, Aubrey is a little bit more on the sidelines here Yeah Well, because Aubrey's numbers are a little bit more solidified at this point, right? Michelle still has Wigger Rom to kind of do Wherever you kind of go where the wind is blowing. Syiddney is being courted as well. No one's courting Aubrey. She's got Ty. She's got Joe. That's that's a tight three. and her in her current position, she has Sydney as well. So it's really hard to get Aubrey. Aubrey's like kind of like I just need to stay in the course right now I don't know if her end game is Sidney on one side, Joe on the other side, but it definitely feels like Sydney and Aubrey at least from her perspective are locked in and she doesn't have to really worry about what they're trying to do with Syidney over there What have you thought about Joe in the challenges? Joe is like very quick to just like tap out on the challenges Yeah, um Yeah, he's only like I I'm not doing that. Look you get to be seventy something years old. you' kind of just like, hey, I'm doing, you know, but he's he's not a slouch at all. you know, like he almost wn that that reward challenge in the ring tos. He was good at the ring tos, yeah. Yeah, but he's feeling it. He's like,h. It's been a long season, you know, they've dealt with a lot of stuff. There's an infections, they tired, they hide you know and he's again, he's seventy seven years old. likeike little like he can take he can take a breather. Yeah At these tribal councils, we get Ty always. Jeff loves to go for him. See if he could put his foot in his mouth. Very easy to get Ti. He's just kind of like It's like the moment like it's like he does not perceive a world where Jeff is going to ask him a hard question. And so when they do, he's like don you know, he just kind of fumbles and Jeff knows it. He knows that's his target. Yeah. And Jason is always willing to pounce on Ty. I forget what exactly the question was that they were talking about with T T. I think they said that T flips on his allies And Jason had like a very impassion. He did it two times it two times. He's flipping like flap jacks all over the place. L Maria Jacks Is that is that Abby Maria, the flapjacks? or you voted for me twice. He voted for me two times. you to me. That has not happened yet. It has happened for us the viewers, but not in not in the canonical human history Damn, that's crazy Huh, He did two times weird time travel thing that we're doing right now, but you're right. flipping like flap jacks U so he wants Tie out. He's like Tie is the biggest threat here Um And I think it was someone said that Arbery's just carrying Joe to the end. I think it was Julia'. She's like, Yeahah, Arrey's just carrying Joe on to the end. So I think Siddney and Michelle are at the bottom and they should do something. you know, they were really making a plea here. Hey leave leave pop pop Joe out of this. I that's what Bryce used to call Joe Del Campo pop pop Joe Can Joe win sururvival? No Is there a world where coming into this season playing the exact way he did? Is there any iteration of this game where he could have won? whoo can even sit by I guess Got and Jason, right? I think I think they G Jason, maybe Peter T. Maybe Peter and Liz and Debbie If he was at the game with Debbie and Ty, does he win the game? U I don't know. I kind know I kind of feel like that Julia and Michelle, I think vote for Debbie Yeah, h, Dest yeah. Yeah and I't think I don't think they don't love Joe. Jason, they're not going to vote for Joe. Yeah. They may vote for Debie. Maybe it's a bad cast for him. Maybe there's a better cast somewhere for Joe Dale Capo because I don't think he's playing a bad game. He seems to be, you know, solid. He got blindsided by his own allies a couple of times, but sorry for that. Yeah. the thing is about Joe U I'm trying to think like in terms like if there was like maybe like there he's not really super grandfatherly. like he has that relationship seemingly with Aubrey But not so much with Julia Not so much with Sdney, not so much with Michelle. He doesn't come across as like it's not like a pascal andalia type situation where Uh they don't seem to like have an affinity they love Joe. Aubrey does. Yeah But yeah, nobody else really seems to love Joe I think he pled survivor and a lot of people do where he picks his team and that's the person those are the people he's going to ride with. and there's nothing really you can do. And that's a winnable situation for somebody as long as they're up against the other team, right? You can count on the people on your team to vote with you. So if this is a final two between Joe and Jason, I think he wins. Final two between Joe and Scott I think he wins. But the moment you start picking somebody from his own team I think that's when he loses the game. I think he loses against everybody else that he's been aligned with. And yeah, if he really wanted to win this game, he should have been more willing to play with the dark side. Yeah Aubrey has a pretty good line on no punended with Julia's vote. She says, I'm not going to cross it out this time Yeah, Yeah, it's time. time. Yeah. Yeah. Julie had a good run, but the votes are going come her way this time. Julie did have a really good run. She said in her final words. She's one of the youngest people to ever play the game. I think' I think it's I' lookook up if she was nineteen or twenty when she did it. K of a quiet run in the beginning of the game, but yeah, just a good job. I mean, she and she's only thirty now Yeah. So she was twenty twenty on the dot back then U Bro nineteen when she played twenty when it when it aired, something like that Yeahah, good run. It was an active game. I don't necessarily agree with all the moves she made, but it was definitely it was a game that at least she could say I did something where so many people lead sururvivor and people were like, makeake a move, makeake a move, make a move. You didn't make a move. Julia made moves. They just didn't work out for her in the end. They asked her Survivor contests are you most like. She said Natalie Tanarelli because she was a young female player, Jennna Maraska and Parby Shallow because of their abilities to strategically combine sex appeal and intelligence and Andrea Belky because she is a wholesome farm girl with big dreams think about those descriptors. You know, u I feel I don't feel good about Julia telling us that she was going to play with the sex appeal. L you was likeute w were there were there needed to be younger people on the season for that I think Right Julia over there talking to old ass Scott. like like or Joe like Joe, you think you want to vote me out? yeah, I think yeah for like a millennials versus JenetX, I think Julia would be perfect for something like that where, you know, we get the younger tribe I like her description of Andrea because I do think it's like Um I think had game changers happened already, I don't think that's the same descriptive she is for for Andrewa. I think people were looking at her like a wholesome farm girl when she's a gamer. you know, like she she likes to compete Yeah. And so I would love to see Yeah, I would love to see Julia play again, see what happens when something like that happens. Yeah. But I do think that Andrea is probably the best descriptor like like a She picked two people from Redemption Island, but I think that Andrea is probably the better person because I think that Andrea was, you know, with and it was Natalie and it was Ashy, but Andrea was the one who was like the fan. She was the gamer. U Natalie was just there. and that's okay. It got her very far into the game. But Andrea was a gamer. The first time No look, she was have been a gamer then, but she was really gaming. that noody was in Redemption Island. Bosser Rob had him in a chokeold. 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And he does like a bizarre whisper. He like goes like like totally like he reaches around her head. Yeah. Should I play it? And she's like, I don't think so, but it's you know, you got to trust your gut. But go with your gut. Yeah. and I think that's the right answer. because if you say, like play it, play, play it. he plays it And he's wrong. then it's like, Damn, Aubrey, you made me flush my idol. But this way she says like, I think you're good, but that way, if you decide to go elsewhere, that's on you There's a lot of gut talk in this season, especially in this episode. We see Aubrey telling Ty about going with his gut Michelle talks about in this episode also going with her gut and I go back to the premiere in Darnelle. And right now, my gut tells me G use the bathroom It was foreshadowing. It was a very like gut heavy season. and we know about Joe's gut It's going to get heavier Yeah, somewhere Kellen Bechold is defrosting, you know, because I think the gut becomes her entire like mantra out there. like, I gott to go with my gut. So yeah, this is just shades of Kellen early on Okay This episode was called that It is a me game, notot a wee game. I think Sydney had the quote of the episode Yeah I think Yeah, I really wish that there was a way Like Big Brother style to kind of hear what these people are thinking real time a little bit, you know, in a less edited way because I would love to know what position they each think they're in, right? Like I don't know if Sydney thinks like I just need to make it to the end or not. but I just don't see a winning path for her right now that doesn't include Jason in it. And so you know, she's got to meend that fence. Obviously this is a big episode for Michelle Uh, you know, I like that We talk about in the past that the show struggles to show people's social game a like as a winning factor, right? But Michelle knows that the social game is what is what keeps her around. And so she's like talking about it. And so when you go back and watch the season, you like, whyy did Michelle win? You started looking at these quotes from this episode. This will kind of like lace you up on that Well We've got three episodes left. Michelle is starting to heat up And we're going to come back with episode number twelve. We're going finally say goodbye to Jason Finally, great run for somebody who has been a pariah for about four episodes Yeah. I just wanted to just talk through He just did not really come up as a possibility to go home very well. What you think about this to take out Julie instead of Jason I think they're have two minds. They're thinking we want Jason out because he's a jerk, but also he can stay because we can beat them. And Julie is not a jerk And we can and we might not be able to beat her so she needs to go Michelle, I think again, makes the really smart move here of being like I need to outflank Julia and Jason, right? They're both at the bottom. I need to make sure they stay at the bottom. And so by going and ingratiating herself with Sydney and Aubrey, that buys her at least this week. I'm sure next week the conversation is going to start though about, okay, is it Jason O do we do we make it sexy, right? Do we go with Jason? Do we go with Ty And I think the third option at that point is Michelle. It's just interesting. I know that we're saying people can beat Jason, but It doesn't seem like Aubrey wants to keep Jason I Audrey has just had like a it Target locked on Julia. I think that that's really been it ever since the crossout fote Yeah. I mean, those two things happen back to back though, right? Like the cross outo happens and then Julia goes and starts playing both sides. So it like it reinforces what Aubrey already wanted to do