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O is it always just like, and this is the episode where we show you why they lost That's a good question. I can't think of another time that they do it, but maybe this is like when they have to explain why somebody is headed towards being a zero vote finalist This is why. Yeah, I need to go back and look at all the zero vote finalists. It won't take much. But do you like like but can we uh like think about like maybe being like token chens. is like, hey, you remember Stephven? you know Steven, everything was going good for Stehven, but if you had friend J Yeah, I love it. They start off with Td they're just like Yeahah, remember Ty, he's got all this power and all this power, but justust for some reason. time It's not quite coming together for him. And so yeah, I think this is the beginning of the end for him, evenven though he's going to make it to the end. Yeah, it's not quite coming together for him. There's a lot of focus on Jason in this episode and what he's doing and basically trying to play dead so that they leave him alone. And then a lot of Michelle content in this episode We needed it. We needed it. We needed to start the winner edit and you know, last episode, they kind of had to well, the last couple episodes, they had to hide her a little bit and then they had to show her win. I thought So I misreemember this. I thought Michelle wins immunity here because clearly she should be the one voted out Yet somehow she comes away from this unscathed and I have to give her more credit for that than I have in the past. Yeah. So Michelle ultimately is there's talk about she should go home or Kyle Jason should go home. It's the final six now. And so Kyle Jason, you would think Persa Nonrada that he would be an easy person to vote out. Nobody wants to work with him, but He is beatable at the end and it's really of all people, it's Ty who's really making the case that Michelle that she is more well rounded than Kyle Jason is. Maybe we should be making the case for her. An interesting thing happened at the last vote when Julia Sokalowski got voted out. Michelle was going back and forth with Sydney. shouldhould we vote with Kyle Should we vote out Julia and she ultimately Al Julia and votes with the other people votes with Ty and Syiddney and Aubrey and Joe. And now that they're sort of like, okay, well, this is now this is the alliance and tie of all people is very much of like Hey How did Michelle get in the Alliance She doesn't even go here It's one thing to say it in confessional You know, also, say it to your allies, but tie He said it to her face. He's a tribal counsel. And she's like, Yeahah, well, apparently, I'm at the bottom of the Pcard. My alliance hadn' told me that. And time' like, Yes is when are you in the Alliance? Oh this you know how she got. I thought we had a four person Alliance. I don't really remember inviting her to be in the Alliance. but she'll be kind of Siddney's plus one. in the alliance. And I don't think anybody really wants to tell Sydney because Sidney is kind of at the bottom of the alliance. Now Sydney's kind of been and Sydney, I think reads this correctly. Hey, I need Michelle that it was kind of like a Sydney and Aubrey thing and even Sydney and Aubrey and Michelle went on that reward in the previous episode. But also Aubrey has Joe. That's her plus one And then they kind of also have tie And so Aubrey's kind of caught in between the okay, am I with Michelle and Sydney or am I with A with Joe and Ty? And she also doesn't want to necessarily be the heavy and tell anybody they're not in the alliance. She wants to keep her options open Yeah, I don't mind Aubrey keeping her options open, but you're right. Todd correctly assesses that Michelle could could be a threat to him at the end. And so his final three is something like Joe A Joe Aubrey Ty, right? Like Okaykay, easasy peasy. He likes Aubrey enough. He probably wasn't wouldn't mind losing to her, but everybody keeps telling him he's the biggest threat. Who cares if he sits next to Aubrey, right? He probably he thinks he probably wins. Sydney's final three is Aubrey Michelle and Syiddney. So she's like, Yeahah, I got Aubrey. We got my girl Michelle. We locked it in last episode. It was cool. There should not be an issue here, but there is an issue because again, Ty is like, no, now it's time for Michelle to go. Aubrey, of course, doesn't want to upset Siddney She doesn't want to upset Ti Um She doesn't love Jason. so she's kind of okay with him going just on a personal standpoint. So yeah, everybody's like different motivations are not really aligning anymore. I think Aubrey at this point has played a decent game, but I think that now she needs to pick a pony and go with it. Yeah she hasn't quite done that. You know, I think that this is an issue here with Aubrey one point zero. And when we see her win in season fifty, You know, Aubrey doesn't have a wide variety of options. Aubrey kind of has like one path that is the way that she's going to go. She doesn't really get to pick too many times who her allies are going to be. Here, it does seem like that she gets into a bit of decision fatigue and we know that she has struggled with this earlier in the season from when she quite literally went up to the voting booth. voted for Julia cross that name out and then voted for Peter. And I think here I think that she does not do the best job with picking a side here. She lets Tie go up and vote two votes for Michelle, vote for Michelle and also burns his extra vote voting for Michelle. And Kyle Jason doesn't even vote for Michelle here. I think he must have thought that he had Kyle Jason and then also Aubrey. and so Aubrey kind of leaves Ty high and dry in at this vote thinking that he is going to vote out Michelle. And I think that for Aubrey, I think that T's not necessarily going to love this. And I think that she doesn't do a good enough job of like shutting this down quicker. So I think Aubrey's final three is Joe, Sydney and Aubrey. And I think that's the thing that's going on here. I think at this point she should be just okay with going to the in with tie. I think that she goes she kind of depowers him in this and defangs him. You know, he loses his advantage, which is that extra vote. He votes incorrectly, which makes him look like hes doesn't really know what's going on. like she did she did what she needed to do to kind of neuter him in a way, right to where he's not this big threat that everybody keeps talking about. And I think that's very valuable in survivor from what we've seen because we know that you can have all the trinkets in the world and then when you get to the end, if people don't believe you're a threat, it doesn't matter. you know, goo back to Zander, go back to detective Dean you know, likeike it's like, okay, we got a bunch of stuff, but we weren't going to vote you out anyway And so with with Ty, if Aubrey is like, yeah, I'm not going toote Ty out, but I'm also not going I'm going to prove that he's not the big threat that you that he is. I think she's fine here. The issue is that she ends up at the end with Michelle and Michelle should really be going here. Ty is correct. It's like she wants to depower him. But the only way to do that is to make him wrong here. to make him blow his advantage. He misses, you know, his extra vote He doesn't vote for the right person. you know, like I think that Shes she's choosing to make a move against Ty without voting him out. And it's hard to boote him out because he had so much stuff. And so I love what you're saying. It just doesn't feel like that she is all in on doing what you're saying. I think that she's trying to be sort of like straddling the fence a little bit too much. And I think it she ends up where and we have to see how it ultimately plays out next week with Joe's Medaac and how much that really screws her over. But it doesn't seem like that she's inspiring a lot of confidence from the Sydney and Michelle side of it on this vote and then also certainly is going to lose a little bit of confidence with Ty, who we then see in the next episode feels a little bit trrade and is going to start, you know talking to Michelle She probably should have just voted out high here U, you know, if she's not going to actively try to take them to the end and she's not, you know, she ends up having to pivot to tie once Joe is gone. But she should have probably just voted him out here.. I think that keeps Michelle and Sydney loyal to her. She still has Joe as a plus one. Kyle Jason still a huge target, you know, maybe maybe it's too attractive to take them to the end at that point. Maybe that's a thing Yeah, she's in she put herself in a really tight spot in this episode and I'm not quite sure what she should be doing because I still I think that there's no world in her mind where Michelle is sitting at the end. Yeah. I think they're like We will get Michelle eventually It is kind of where she is. And you brought this up before, but that might be a parallel to her season fifty game, right? Like Yeah, we don't to worry about Aubrey beating uss because we're going to take her out. She's not going to be sitting at the end with us. If I' Rizzo, I'm Joe, I'm, you know, Jonathan Yeah, who cares if Arby lasts one more round, she's not get into the final three anyway. fast forward to Arby at the final three and then I have no chance of winning. Yeah. I think that she probably would have been better off. I think she wants to take Michelle out. I think that she doest want to go with Ty. And I think that's why it's she's really just going back and forth because she I think she knows taking out Michelle is the right move. I think she's worried that is going to really piss off Syiddney. But at that point, if you do take out Michelle who does not win immunity, If Siddney's mad, Sydney's Mad. you know, you're going to the end now with Ty and Joe and we know ultimately we know that Joe will have his metaack. But if Syiddney and Jason are the only people left out of five, then Aubrey and Joe and Ty are in a really good position. Now maybe Sydney could win Final four immunity. and this is also pre fire making. so we're going go down to final three in terms of immunity challenges Bye. You know, what are you what are you going to do? So I'm getting confused. So we're going to have a final four immunity challenge And then no fire making. We'll have a vote. We will have fire making, but it's not mandatory Yeah, is it all Is it too bold to let Jason in on this? Let's say, okay, fine. We're going to take out Michelle here. Let's bring in Jason. Lets you know, let's go ahead, let's burn Ty or whatever. but we're going to bring we're going to bring in Jason and now we'll take out T next, you know, Is it too soon to to or I guess is it too risky to give somebody who's very clearly at the bottle so much ammunition against you? Yeah, I don't think that you can trust Kyle Jason with all that information. I think that you could keep him around and ultimately tell him to vote for Michelle I think that he would be looking for any path to get to the end. So I think that that's okay But if you ended up taking out Ty and you left Sidney, Michelle and Jason together, I don't know if Aubrey even was aware that they had been talking so much at the final five, I think that Siddney and Jason and Michelle could potentially vote together against Aubbery and Joe Yeah, she she's she's in a pickle. A hot pickle as u Pverty would say. Yeah So yeah, it was a fun episode to watch because I was just kind of like, damn what is she going to do? you know? I don't think Aubrey's drawing dead by any means necessary, but the people that she surrounded herself by, They're going to be hard to beat. you know, I think Sydney is pretty easy for Abrey to beat. honestly. she burnnt thee brron so much to where. I know that she, you know, she ain't got to worry about that. So if she gets to the end with Sidney and Joe, I think she has a good chance Sitting with Michelle, we know is doom sitting with Ty, honestly. she's okay there. and I think she might be Joe. So it's just a matter of how does she get to the end with the right configuration of people? And this was the first This is the beginning of her making a mistake because I think that she really needs Jason in his game. Its almost like one extra piece that she can be. Michelle would have been a great person about out here. I don't this is a very half baked take right now, but I think this is maybe like there's two ways to win Survivor that there is the way where You are sort of like the lovable underdog who won the respect of the jury along the way. That's ultimately how Aubrey is going to win That's how show wins. That's how the show wins. you know, that is that is a very we've seen many people ultimately I think that's how the winner of my season, one one survivor. So you're sort of like the well liked underdog who, you know came from adversity and got to the end And then there is the okay, I earn the win by what I did in the game, but I maybe you need and I know I've argued against like the resume, but I feel like you have to have like one big thing. that you point to And I don't know if Aubrey's co wrong game Like she has like the strategic game, but does it have like the centerpiece of what she did where I think that she's almost like in a position where she gets to the end But then is trying to have to like in terms of narrative warfare I think that maybe Michelle's liable underdog is just is trumping her underdog story where hadad she like had a big swing on like a Marianne idling Omer out of the game One big move to point to I don't know if she has that Right, right. And I think the big move is definitely was that episode ten where, you know, we have Ty flipping and not using his his super idol to save Scott or whatever. But I don't think that resonatesess it was a big move, but I saw it that way Exactly. Well, they didn't see it, right? They saw T flip flopping, but they didn't see that Aubrey wasn int the one crouching in the grass. you know? Like if they watched it and I think we saw in interviews afterwards, they say, yeah, if I saw it, I probably I could have I could see myself voting differently. And I don't think that anybody ever said like I would change my vote movie they definitely said like, Yeah, they definitely said. Yeah, if somebody exposed the moves to them, then yeah, they would probably look at it a lot higher. I mean, just the edited version of the events It' heavily like this is the Aubrey move, right? And so yeah, when they get to the end, they're like Tie' a flip flopper. notot Aubrey made tie flip flop. And that's what we saw And so if she can't If she can't take ownership of that It's probably hard to do. But if she can't take ownership for a move that nobody saw, then it's probably hard to win that. Like you brought up Mary Anne, Mary Anne can say, Yeahah, I took out Ober. And then I guess I got this other thing and I have the proof. Here's the hereere's the idol. I mean, you know, here's the note, you know? And so she don't have the note. She can't prove that she made Ty do that. So yeah, it's not great This is tough because I think that this is a very winnable position, but she manages to put herself in a spot where it's going to be tough and then losing Joe very quickly after this really does take out one of her other, you know, her other beatable people And not just that. when we're talking about like, was there one thing that she could really hang her hat on in terms of saying to the jury, this is what I did in this game that at the final five, whether it was going to be taking out Michelle or taking out Syidney, it robs her of an opportunity to add another thing to be able to say what she did Yeah, and even the way she takes out Syidney loses Syidney's vote. So you know, she at some point, she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. But I think that that's a social thing, right? Like when you get to the point where people are willing to vote against you, that's a that's a lack of your social maneuvering. Sidney should have been happy to vote for Aubrey at the end. She's not. Yeah. So If it's Aubrey, Joe and Ty, Aubrey is going to win the season. Is that fair Yeah that's T' final three There's no way Ty' getting Scott and Jason's vote at that point. Nobody's going to vote for Joe based on anything we've seen. Maybe Debbie Maybe Debbie, But everybody else is vning for Aubrey at that point. I mean, Aubrey had a good relationship with Sidney with Michelle. I can' even see I mean, maybe the show's edited differently if Sydney is one day going to vote for Joe. but It doesn't look like Joe would stand a chance I might get a vote But yeah, that's that's T's idea final three and Aubrey does not go with it. Yeah If it's Aubrey, Michelle and Siddney, if she went with stuck with that deal that she was working on last week, Does Michelle still win this season That's good question. So we know Joe will vote for Aubrey. We know Neil is getting voted off, so that doesn't count. We know Who does Tie vote for in that moment, right? Like he's known Michelle since day one, but he did throw his lot in with Aubrey at some point just to get betrayed. What do you vote for Aubrey Okay. So yeah, so maybe she gets the u the tie vote Um so I mean, I don't think anybody's voting for Sydney in that realm. Maybe Debie. Maybe Debie Maybe Db Maybe De is But I think there only seven jury votes in this season? Is it not a lot Yeah we get that now from the jury. Oh, no, the Mo Jar will vote for Aubrey as well. So I see Aubrey coming away with probably two, maybe three votes and then Michelle's getting the rest of them so But I think that there I think it's it's close because I think that there there are only seven votes at that point, right? She stum Yeah, she stumbles into a disaster scenario. She really does. likeike it if she could have gotten to the end with Sydney's final three or with Ti's final three or with Joe's final well, not Joe's final three. Joe's final three is a losing or what Joe's final three. Joe Aubrey and T. She's good. She falls into that one spot where if she's in that spot she loses and it's because Michelle is there and Michelle is there with Sydney on the jury, not voting for Aubrey, you know, It's not great Yeah this is only seven jury votes in this season. So we're talking about a scenario where it's three threety one potentially, which I think is the Dom Wendell laaurel situation where then I think then Then then Siddney would become the eighth member of the jury and then cast her vote h And then that would cast a vote for Michelle What she I think so. I mean, that Aubrey hasn't burned Siddney in this scenario, but I think that Sydney and Michelle, I think have A Like I just think that they have more of like a friendship and I think that Aubrey and Siddney had more of like a working relationship See, and that's the thing with Sydney. She does not like get this bad reputation for being kind of like a bitter juror or like a bad juror, but I think Siddney's a bad juror. I think that you do not want Syidney on your jury because we cannot predict what she even now, we've watched this whole show, you know for the last few weeks and we still can't tell you how Sidney is going ve because she justs to the end is like, not didn'tote for Harby because she beat me in fire What had she lost She would have been able to get voted for anyway. Like like she was again, you put it in a spot where it's like either lose to me or I'm not going to vote for you. And that's a person that I don't want voting in the jury at all A Apery should have won that challenge that Michelle wins that advantage and voted out Siddney. and she wouldn't even known to do that. But yeah, it's crazy It's summer, it's hot out. You want clothes that feel cool and comfortable. 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And this is where we're going to see where Michelle is really going to push back against Ty where Ty is really coming from Michelle, but it's it's not a fair fight Michelle so good at these tribal councils where If you're trying to talk about like if you're trying to talk smack about Michelle or like beat around the bush She is going to be like very direct and like come with receipts and say like What are you saying? How are you like how does that make sense? And Thai with English not being his first language? like it is not a great spot for Thai Also it doesn't have any backup Arey's in the background going, I mean, T, this isn't the most democratic way to handle this, you know? L he does the peanut gallery is not on his side So when he's doing this, he should Double down. What he should say is my alliance has four people in it and Michelle is not in it. That's what he should say. But he's like last time you ended up in the Alliance and Michelle L like, Well, that's news to me. you know, you know, she's very much like, I was told that this was my group And she's pushing back against that. But by now Tasha be saying, you're not a part of this group Aubrey and I have decided me Aubrey and Joe, you know, like he should be planting his flag because T's plans on planing the idol next. Michelle can't get him out next anyway. So why not just double down at this point? you know? Yeah, Michelle so direct. You can't really beat around the bush when you're dealing with somebody or debating somebody like that. Its it's a bad look, especially in front of the jury And Ty is trying to be vague in these conversations where he's like You know, we had different ideas about what to do. That's fine. You can have that. And Michelle's like, well, It was either going to be me or Jason. so what was the other idea? If it's not going to be Jason, then what's the idea, Ty I've never seen somebody who's at the bottom of an alliance fight so hard to be at the bottom of an alliance. Like Michelle has decided like, I'm fine with being fifth But like you're not going tell me I was six, right? You not You're not going to do that to me. He's like she like wait,s's like, wait, wait. You're not in it at like what part are you? What's not clicking? You're next. Is she like but I'm not now. I'm not now. And that's not what we talked about. And I think she also knows that She knows Aubrey's not about to flip on her. So she's talking about this like Ty, you're wrong, You're crazy, actually. She's being able to speak about it with a level of authority that I don't think she should be able to at this point. You know,, like if you were keeping Michelle in the dark Michelle obviously thinks she's going to the final three with somebody. You know, she thinks ties out N There's no there's no backup plan in Te's mind. He's like This is Michelle It's your turn, you know? So it's fun to watch because she really does eat them up. She's like, sounds like a bunch of Malary to me. It sounds like a bunch of Malararky to me. Yeah U So yeah, she's at the bottom of the pecking Gardder, but she's like, I don't know about that. And all she has to do is outlash Jason one more round and now she has to pitch against Ty. you know, and pitching against Ty is a little easier now that Jason spent this entire episode being like, Ty is the big bad wolf. He's the one who knocks. he's the one we should be I think Aubrey is having some buyers remorse also in this episode. I think that Aubrey does not like working with these messy players. She didn't love working with Debbie. She's not loving how messy Ty is at this tribal council. I think she likes people who are a lot more agile with their words and more buttoned up You know what? I think Aubrey doesn't get enough credit for the adversity that she faced in this season Losing Neil. getting Neil voted off the jury Also losing Joe, you know, like just that alone, you should give her some style points for even being able to make it. There have been so many times where and don't get me wrong. if she hadn't lost Neil it probably would have been her anyway. But like her him not being on the jury is a big deal. He's not he gets voted out before they can pitch their their final tribal counsel speech, you know U she that could have been a built in vote. mayaybe somebody who does vote with with Neil if she think if they think Aubrey's getting more than, you know, one or two votes. They're like, all right, you know, people want to vote for the winner. We've heard this before. And with Neil being gone, you're kind of like try to count her votes. L like she's only going to get one of two votes. I'll just go ahead and vot for Michelle. you know, So she's got to do with that. She deals with Joe being, you know leaving the game at some point and she still makes it to the end within a pretty impressive game, but they're not going to give her style points at all. And I think that's probably the thing that's that I' never really focused on in the past is it like she did this despite having all those things happen. Yeah. It's a remarkable run that she is even able to get to this point They talk about Spencer and or Ryman with you know, snatching the football, you know, Cass snatching the football away from the football was snatched from Aubrey like five times, you know But she still made it to the end and she didn't have to win her way to do that. So I thought it was very impressive One of the things that really struck me in this episode was that Michelle has some incredible luck here in this episode where we remember Michelle and she is going to win some key immunities down the stretch, but in this episode, we have the block challenge where it's stack up the letters and spell out immunity. and I don't remember if this is the first time they ultimately did this challenge or if they've done it before, but this is one of the more iconic times that they do it where Sydney does it in super slow motion where she is moving at a snail's pace. and this is always like one of the most memorable approaches to this. I think Aubrey has actually done this challenge three times and lost it all three times.. but that Siddney is ultimately the winner, but she's going up against Kyle Jason here and and she is going super slow. Kyle Jason is going super fast. Kyle Jason who loses his stack, I think a couple times ends up him and Sydney are actually tied at one point. They both have eight Kyle Jason has passed Sydney. He is moving backwards to go step on his platform If he wins immunity I do think Michelle gets voted out here unless unless we come up with some plan to blindside Ti with his idol I think there's a very good chance Michelle goes home here The crazy thing is that Michelle should have went home here anyway. You know, she should have gone home here. This with Jason not winning immunity, it's still It's the Abby Maria problem all over again, right? It's like this person who we can all definitely be But we don't want them in the game anymore next to somebody who is so likable that we're willing to bring them into our alliance even if it's, you know, just for an episode or two. Michelle has social gamed her way past this round. And I think it's very impressive. You know, people diminish the idea of like the challenges, you know, what what does winning a challenge do for you as a good winner? You know, I think Rachel Lont kind of talks about how she didn't want to Mike Hollowway herself only to have to Mike Howay herself to the end, but she's like, that's not the game I wanted to play. I think people want to be able to Machiavellian like mind fuck everybody into letting them to the end. And then Michelle is doing the opposite. She's in so good with them because she voted out her number one ally. You would think, why Michelle, would you vote out Julia? She wanted to get in good with this alliance now She bonded enough with Aurey and Syidney where Syidney thinks this is my final three. So she's fighting to keep Michelle in the game. You know, her her social game is her superpower. We've talked about that before. and the show doesn't really highlight it, but the fact that you just pointed that out I mean, Michelle, if Jason does win immunity here There's a non zero chance that Michelle still survives because she is Michelle, you know, So yeah, I think like you said, the idea to blindside Ty would still be on the table. Ty has enough hubris to think that they're going to vote out Michelle. He's like, I'm going to use my extra vote, then I'm going to use my idol next. And now they got Jason who would happily vote out Ty. So yeah This could be the end of Tie, not Michelle. Yep I said that and this might been the first time they did this, I looked at the wiki. It looks like that they did it in Blood versus waterater in San Juan Delseir. This is the third time that they ever did this challenge. Okay. Yeah, I can never remember where these challenges pop up unless something really iconic happens. And you're right. The Syney approach is iconic. and I think it's only iconic because Jeff is preying on her downfall. The entire time he's like, Sydney's going so slow, but anybody could catch literally anybody could catch her. They drop. Okay the next person, you can catch her, you can catch her. Yeah And you see like Michelle beating up. you can you can catch it Judy predulous during this. He's pissed and I thought I thought Sydney was going to lose. I was convinced that Michelle was going to win this challenge because I was like, well, there's no way that Michelle survives this round without winning this challenge. Guess what? She does Cinney wins it and then it she gets she gets the style points of the episode because going that slow was it was a calculated risk, but it paid off I'd love to talk about the reward challenge also in this episode, which I think was kind of a cool setup. There's been definitely some challenges that we don't see challenges like this anymore. It's final six. So it's three and three. And you had to basically get through a little bit of an obstacle course in the water, Joe Del Campo is going to have a lot of trouble But then the second part of it is that there's like this big maze that's in the water and it required all three people to like run around the circumference of the maze to move the ball around And I thought that this was a cool, interesting challenge that you don't see. Bring it back Bring it back. We see this maze thing a million times, every time survivor, like where people are holding the little ropes or whatever or, you know, moving the maze This gotta be the only time, don't let me lie. This might be this is one of the few times I've ever seen it like a floating version of this where they're out. and like you said, they're doing it's like a team version of this. It was so cool to watch. and I just don't know why we don't do it more often. I think what it was missing was there were no holes in the maze and so that there was no way for the team is the blue team is about to do it. likeike no, the ball fell in the hole. So I don't know. you'd have to like if it fell in the hole, you have to like swim underneath it. So that might be tricky to do. But that was too much. That was cool to do that. I don't know if they've ever done this challenge again I really liked it Yeah And then We got Such an interesting, cool reward that they went to. They went to the animal sanctuary Wildlife align Where good things happen to animals where good things happen to animals. They may Tie, which is definitely a highlight for any animal This was cool. Jason was there. we get another redemption tale for Jason. you know, he talk about how his daughter really likes the animals and how, you know, her being autistic, she reacts a lot when she sees animals. And so yeah, this is what we're talking about. with him and Scott are separate, we got to get the oh, they're not so bad at it, but when they're together, they're miserable. And so he's gone. and so now it's kind of looking up. And I think it also kind of reinforces that, you know, the show agrees that Jason is a threat in some way, right? Like because Siddney's still talking about how I don't want vote sit next to him at the end because what if people do decide they want to give him the money because of, you know, his story or because of his family situation. But I thought it was really cool seeing Ty doing the animal thing, obviously seeing Jason hanging out with the monkeys and stuff like that. You know what was offensive though Joe's Tanline Dear God, this man has the whitest ass in the history of the world. How have you been laying out on that beach this entire time and you ain't even let your ass peek Y son Where's large, yes. Right Where Sge? You need a Julie Berry out there to be like, Hey, come on, J let them cheeks out Right Let them cheeks out. I was embarrassed, not at his challenge performance, which is what he was embarrassed about, but oh my God, my eyes are just so white. Is Joeo Campo and never nude? Is that why he could never he was he didn't want to go to the bathroom. He held it for too long Gotta be Gta be because he's so tann. That's the other thing Joe is Like orange, you know, like all over. And so when when I thought it was just the blur at first. I said, oh, you know, showing a little crack. you know, survivor loves the blur. then I realize crack Yeah. Yeah, but then I realized no, that's that's just his body. He's he is blurred Man is Yeah quite Ver very two tone situation for Joe tok. Jeez I got look, look look, maybe I'm speaking out term, Tanning is not a thing that you'll ever see me do, but I just think you should hit the hotspot sometimes, Joe. like just for a little bit. You've been out there go wrong as hot as it is, you could have got a little sunlight,aby If you went to the animal sanctuary, would you let the monkeys jump on you? Yeah, sure, whatever. Yeah, like ye it's not gonna bother me too much. It like it's animals, you know, I'm not I don't know. you know what I mean? It be a little bit like I feel like when you like win in Rome, you kind of have to do it. My favorite reward that they ever done is when they go to the jellyfish Lake Yeah and it's like and it's like they don't sting you. I think when I was a kid, I thought that was so cool. and then or when I was younger, used I thought that was so cool I know they do it in herero versus Ding For sure. I don't know if they do it in I guess not Guatemala. It would have happen to been somea. Yeah, was it Did they do it in wasas it Hes versus Villains or thinkans or fansversus favorites? Be I it might be Miconesia. Yeah Okay. Yeah. Mbe because maybe I think that that's Palau, maybe Okay. ye, I like that. But then I the more I think about it or maybe the older I get, the more I'm like I don't know, that's kind of scary too Yeah I wouldn't love it. I would not be something I would be super excited about Yeah, in my mind It's fine Yeah But then if they start to touch me too much then I'm going to get out the water. Like you. Yeah. Okay Kyle Jason though, he We see his strategy. He tells us he's trying to play dead and that he isn't doing anything, he's not helping and the more he doesn't help the more people start to think like, well, we could just take him to the end. He's not going to win. And it does seem like it's working to some degree. It's funny at triribal cououncil Jeff is talking to Ty and Michelle. And then after like ten minutes, he finally goes like to like hi Jason Yeah AndJ's like, hi U Yeah, playaying de should work here I wonder if it's the thing that happens where you start playing Survivor well and people notice. and so then they have to stomp you out, right? So it's like, Um It's like you were not a threat until I saw how you handled where we thought you weren't a threat. and then we realized that you were a threat. Like if he was being louder and more brash, I think that solidifies us like, okay We can beat him. But the fact that he was able to calm down a little bit enough and like he's you can see him sneaking by. It's like he's doing the scooby doo tiptoe and's like he's walking past the doorway. you're like, hey, that's what they did. They caught him. and now they're like, well, we gott to get him now because if we let them keep sneaking by He's going to make it to the end and he's going to take up somebody's spot. You know, he is a goat Only two people are going to be able to sit next to him. And so you don't want that man taking up your spot. Imost would vot him out. I wonder if the story about his daughter hurts him more than helps him where I think that people like, listen, he has his daughter, Shes special needs. He gets up there. He starts talking about that. People are going to vote for him. If he didn't tell anybody about his daughter the whole way through. You just thought he was like And if he then revealed like again, he would have to invent this that before the season comes after second chances, but he wouldn't have to invent this before Jeremy Collins of like, Hey. I know you all thought I was a heel out here. You thought I was the worst person in the world. but I have to tell you, I played this hard because there's something you didn't know. I have a daughter at home. You know I have girls, but my daughter has special needs. We need this money. It's for our family I think it's a compelling case I think it doesn't work because he's such a heel because at that point, it's like Russell Hant being like, and then my dog died in Louisiana. It's like, all right, hey, hey, we don't care. We don't care. Like you didn't you didn't like carve through this whole season with an ice pick. and now you want us to get to the end and be like, oh, he has a heart. We shouldn't believe nothing you talk about. Nothing you're saying is believable to us at that point. So although I think it's the best case he could make I still think it's a losing one because I that wouldn't work on me. I would be like, well, you should have thought about that before you show Joe ass out here But, you know, But we have heard Siddney even say that, you know, hey, I don't want Jason getting those votes when he's talking about his daughter. So I do think that it was something that I think was in people's minds and why like, okay, well, he, but he still could get votes Oh, I totally agree. Yeah. It looks like Syidney's been thinking that for episodes upon episodes and now that's his loudest detractor is like, all right. yeah,' he's a goat Bay How we going to cut everybody else to sit next to him? and then he's going to have this compelling story and he's going to beat us all, you know? So I think the way he's able to make that reveal work is he has to do like Jeremy and not be awful If you're not awful and people want to sit next to you, then they already want you at the end a little bit. You beat them, but they're happy for you. And then you got the extra icing on the cake The cherry on top is, you know, I have this other family situation that I need the money for. 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Live life never bug. STEM. Visit STEMorbugs dot com to learn more I want to go back to Joe Del Campo for a minute. that after the challenge his ass, but then after the challenge is over and they really lose the challenge because he can't get through the obstacle course A it's over that they caption him He seems to be upset with the The the ball that goes through the maze, he says You dumbball The stupid ball Don't ask Paul Joe, White asso He was He was so embarrassed by this that he decides to make up for it by working really hard at camp, but also making everybody else work really hard at camp. He was especiallyne me Yeah, he crawls right under Syidney's skin. This is where she gets her her iconic quote. We don't need no heat baby. We're in the middle of Coron. Like Listen, we don't need no heat baby. Yeah, they come back from the challenge and Jes like I was embarrassed. I was like a six month old in the challenge and also probably has very white ass. and he is like, that's it. I got to take this out. It was shhades of Butch Lockley of we need firewood. L we need the firewood and Sydney is eating a piece of coconut and he's like, Siddney, come on. let's go Chop like why I don't know if it was Aubrey already doing it. He didn't seem like he was very concerned with what Aubrey was doing. But Siddney, hey, Syidney, no more time for a rest. You got to you got to do this. And she's like he is mister Joe is getting on my last nerve Opera is a better survivor player than both of these people So what happens is when Joe says to Aubrey, Hey, Aubrey, get up. She's liive I need to keep joeing my alliance. let me get up. Joe then goes to Sidney and says, Hey, Siddney, get up. And she's like, huh? what? No, I'm busy. L I'll get up when I feel like. And Joe is such a bad survivor player that he goes and just continues to piss off Sidney. You need Sydney right now. Syiddney flipping would be bad for you. This woman, you need her on your side Joe is actively playing the game bad again. It takes you back to Peter Bagenstus where Joe is like, yeah, F Peter. and then afterwards being like You know, I think Damn, I think you're right. I think we do need him on our team. He's like, yes, crazy, arere you dumb? L you sit tie off with three people. Well with two other people, they're out there lolly gagging and and gallivanting around with animals. They're gonna to come back and they're gonna feel good.op All they need is one R. Yeah. All they need is one person to flip and now y'all are at the bottom. Joe Get it together. Yeah Yeah, so After that immunity challenge Ty is going to try to make his big move to get out Michelle And he's going to go first he goes to Kyle Jason. He's like, all right, hey Um, vote out, Michelle. And colleges is like I don't think so No You already lied to me two times You you uh if you ask for me your day, you know? U Yeah, he thinks Michelle is a bigger threat and Michelle can definitely tell that Jason is the next one like blocking her path if he doesn't win immunity. So Michelle's like, we're not we're voting out Jason guys, right? right? And T's like, lookook, I got Michelle where I want her. I got an extra vote And with that Me, Joe, Aubrey, will take her out. There's nothing they can do about it if I play my extra vote. But somehow, Michelle survives this. She's good. Yeah, Joe is very locked in. He's going to vote out Jason. He doesn't want to hear about voting out Michelle. But no Sidney rats out Ty to Michelle and says that it's Ty who is trying to get you out And that's where Michelle's like We'll see about that. We're going to have a conversation about this at tribal Damnit. And yeah, she she really does air him out at tribal council. Arbrey just leadavs him up a creek like I don't know, Ty, it feels like you made this decision about us voting on Michelle and then you told us all about that. That's not going to fly with Sydney and honestly it's not going to fly with Arrey either Sidney says a couple times that Ty is dictating the vote Mmhm and like, yeah, kind of. ight yeah. and, um Yeah, he's like, whyy do y'all care? Michelle's not in our alliance. What What difference does it make? She's next? If she's not next, she's after that Well, I think one of the most interesting conversations in the episode happens when Syidney talks to Aubrey and she asks Aubrey point blank, W she vote with Ty or is she voting with Siddney And Aubrey, I think is a little wishy washy with the answer that she ultimately gives here. I think that she needed to lock in more with Sydney here. She hadn't picked a pony yet. I still think that yeah, like by now she should be saying, this is my group. I'm going with them. but she's trying to keep her options open. And what Arey lands on is, look, we're still in an alliance. We don't have to agree with everything. You know, you have a thing that you want to do. I have a thing that I want to do Let's just see what happens. And I' like that's not that's not how you, you know, lock in any type of loyalty or anything because when Michelle was in a point where she had to choose a side, she said, all right, Julia, you're dead to me. Bye, you know? And she'll still get Julia's vote And she makes it to the end, but it's her decisiveness, right? Like she yeah, she was waffling. But when it came down to it, she said, not, I'm going to choose y'all. Aubrey is like, Sydney, you do you, I'll do me. And if anything's gonna to push Sydney closer to Michelle, it's definitely that. Yeah, I think that Aubrey here is being transparent and being upfront with Sydney that hey, I am considering my options I think it's probably better be decisively yes, I'm with you. even if you're then to tie Yes, I'm definitely with you. I don't think anything is gained by being sort of Yeah, I'm thinking about it. It's like I'm totally with you until you' then you're not and you just are then flat out. you're you're either locked in or betraying But it's the The middle ground, I think that gets you in trouble Pe flip flop until they can't flip flop no mo. And I think that at this point you have now is the time you lock in, right? Like Tony's known for the flip flopping game, but by the by the end of that game, he's sitting next to the two people he wants to sit next to, right? He's like, all right, like himim w and cast. That was going to be his final three. You know, once he betortrays Trish, he's like, I'm all right, I'm good. Everybody else can just go, you know We got to get out Spcer. We got to get outasha. All the people got to go. but this is the three I one out. And so yeah, I'm locked in with them. Now don't get me wrong Kaz don't do that kicking and screaming. But I think even in your season, right? Like at some point, you're like, noah, it's me and Mateo, you know, like that that's that's the crew. You know, It's like, all right, like I've backstabbed a bunch of people, but now None of the rest of y all will matter because it's me and Mateo.. I think Aubrey has not hit that point yet. Aubrey's like, it's me and Jo And it maybe sydne. But it maybe tie I don't know And it's like Ts really strong. T's got a good story But then there's Sidney and I do like her. She's strategically. I think I could probably beat her, but I probably can'tat Ty, but I like Sidney moreore. That's what she's doing. She's waffling too. Yeah I wonder if there was a world where Aubrey maybe wanted Aubrey, Sidney, and Joe And that was the final three 'cause I think that there was a point in time when people thought, oh, Ty is a very liable person to go to the final three. So I wonder if maybe Aubrey wasn't really crazy about going to the end with Ty, but definitely wasn't crazy about going to the end with Michelle. And so she's trying she's maybe she's like trying to order something that's not on the menu of there's Ty Aubrey Joe or Aubrey Sydney Michelle And she's like, well, how about this special order? But I don't think that Bitney or Joe are particularly fond of that plan Right, Joe's final three is Ty Aubrey Joe. Sydney's final three is Aubrey Michelle, Siddney. And so Sydney' kind of looking at Aubrey like, girl, you got to cut Joe soon anyway. You know, She don't want to sit next to Joe. I think she's good with Michelle being there. And I think that Aubrey, like you said, she wants Joe there and she wants Siddney there, but that means cutting Ty. and she just did so much emotional work to win Ty over. I think that she really gave him her heart in that moment in order to make that bond because Ty is unwaveringly loyal to Aubrey now, right? And so I think that she spent so much capital on that that she's not ready to just burn it all away. It can hurt Ty's feelings Obviously it wouldn't be great for jury management. And so yeah, she really put herself in a position where her final three is going to be really hard to get. U and she' have to piss off a couple people to make it happen I'd love to talk a little bit about the Ties extra vote which the business of his extra vote is handled differently than it is now. Ty goes up and votes for Michelle Then Jeff asks Does anybody want to play an an advantage Right Did he say does anybody play an ad What's the question? Is there if there's an idol or an advantage now is the time to play it, did he say that? Yeah, maybe. and then he Th Ty's like, yes, yes. I would like to play my extra vote. And he's just like, o, well have that go go go go do your extra vote. And so he goes up and votes for Michelle. He voted for her two times Yeah How do you like the way this is handled? now it was funky you have the extra vote like in your like on your person and you sort of just like go like, okay, and now I'm gonna pull it out of my pock and now I'm going to put my extra vote and do it there. I don't know at what point they make that switch. You know, Steven has the steal a vote, which happened but the steel a vote, I understand you have to announce before the vote, Hey, I'm stealing somebody's vote here. In terms of the extra, I don't know if it gets announced that way again, I'm not sure if there's an extra vote In Millennials versus GX. I'm trying to think the next time the extra vote comes out I don't I don't like this either, but I don't like it mostly because If Ty says and now I'm going to go play my extra vote, I think that could trigger something like the Iidol avalanche or, you know, advantage getting where Ty did that. So now I'm going to react to it. T like Yeah, actually, ye. he did that. And so he goes back there, places vote. But what's stopping Michelle from being like, up, Jeff not so fast, you know, especially now that we live in a world where there's the shot in the dark. She would have already had to use her shot in the dark, right?. But she could have still played her idol Yeah at this point, right? And so I think that's why they Yeah, if she had one. So I think that's why they have to do it this way is because that way in this way doesn't work because if Ti didn't have that idol, I think the super idol could in could still be in effect too, right? Like if somehow Ty u If Scott had to survive last round without using his idol, he'd still have it. So I mean, at that point, I think we're in a tighter pickle because, you know, does Ties extra vote happen, then the super idol happens after the votes are read after the extra vote. and then does the extra vote count toward the super Iidol vote? I think it's too clunky. get rid of me The extra vote