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Stay on top of every moment with live stats, highlights, and instant replays The FIFA World Cup, streaming live on Fox One, offers a subject to change seefox. com for complete terms and conditions This episode is brought to you by Red Finn You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably multitasking Maybe even scrolling homelistings on Redfin saving homes without expecting to get them But Redfin isn't just built for endless browsing It built to help you find and own a home. With agents who close twice as many deals, when you find the one, you've got a real shot at getting it. Get started at redfin d. com own the dream Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob, Cisrino, back to talk about. It's the swap of co Fing wrong and we're here to talk about these new tribes here with Chappelle. Chaelle, how are you Rob is the swap. Yeah That's a slop, right? Oh, yeah, the slop slop slop slops. you know, I got my my Jacob Jones callback Yeah, yeah. Rob, I'm in a good mood. I'm in a good mood. which every time I'm talking about Karan, I'm very happy. about Koran. So yeah. Well this was a fun episode. We got the swap. There's a lot that I didn't remember from this episode from this swap episode where one person is going to go to EXL Island that is going to be Julia and is going to really shape the way that the vote ends up going in some fun dynamics going on that I can't wait to talk to you about. How you doing Good, Rob. The most surprising thing about this episode to me was that Peter Bagerstocks is still here. He's still here.izes D is man make the merge L close. Almost. He's right there Honestly. did he keep getting away? We really needed him because that we saw him being doct. Peter earlier on in the episode and there's injuries in this season I don't even remember When I saw Joe's finger kind of doing the thing and he's like, Yeahah, I had the lanet and all this stuff. I was like, this is I was like, this is why matter of fact, I was like, no, he had a stomache or something like that. I had to remind myself, this was a different injury. Yeah, what about Ty's like huge gash on his leg from when he was climbing the tree He tries to show it to Jeff, J like,. He was like, No, I have a very bad infection. This is very serious.'s like Yeah, we don't need to see it And Julia Sokalowski's on exxile like, I'm dehydrated and I'm dying. Just a two episodes ago, J like, And remember, keepy. Stay hydrated. Yeah, tough seion T the production production's not making it easy at all for them despite so many red flags and say you should probably step in and maybe just make sure these people aren't dying. Now now p in a hard season It's okay. It's the hardest season. for no reason actually. It's not like they made it hard because oh, maybe the previous season was a little, you know, o it wasn't hard enough. Like it wasn't like that was the gimmick of the season going again. likeike this will be the hardest season of survivor. I hope already. No, this is just a regular ass season of sururvivor that happened to be ridiculously hard and production just let it let it cook Let them cook. That's what they did to them They did. Yeah, they don't need them we heat baby. Yeah, they cooked them. Anyway, also cooked in this episode, Ani Kate Qiet exit for Annicquate.Quet. Well, you know, this's thing about Annicate, famamously a great sport, gracious loser. Things don't go her way. She's just like, okay, I'll get him next time Yeah, or something like that. Yeah. She She swap screwed here, which is a tough break, right? I think when people think about going out on Survivor, they don't think about the situation where they're put in where it's just like So the numbers don't work for you now, what are you going to do? And there's really no option except thr your ally under the bus and hope it ain't you In hindsight, we watched these five episodes. She was actually halfway decent at Survivor. I mean, she really did not do much wrong The brainsp, I mean, the beauty trip was pretty cut and dry. It was three guys, three girls, and then she tried to bring over her guys to workout with to work out with the girls. She did that with Ty. It seems like he had a pretty decent relationship with her.t least he talks very highly of her. So I mean, if you wantna give her Julia, Michelle like credit, it's for being able to get get T to kind of leave the mail jar and that side to come over the themumb. Yeah probably doesn't it doesn't hurt that Caleb gets metaac as well because, you know, Ty did have, you know, Caleb and Nick at one point if it was divided by gender. but with Caleb going out, yeah It's solid. I mean, what else could you ask for? You know, one of the things that I think that also hurts her in this season ends up being the super idol because we see where Ty reveals that he has the idol and he shows it to Scott Hollard and Ty is willing to that they that somehow Peter Bagenstas has pissed off Ty. Ty does not like him Do doesn't he's not a nice guy like Scott. Okaykay? I don't want to be around Peter. He's mean And so that Ty is willing to play the idol for Anna Kate, but Scott knows there's a super idol and Scott really talks Ty out of playing the super idol or the other idol for Anna Kate so that it can be used as a super idol later which ultimately Td does not use on Scott Well how do you feel about that that Ty was willing to let Annaate go right here? Because I don't know how I feel about the decision I mean, Ty gets to the end. Ty's going to make friends really wherever he goes. So I think it ends up being okay. I think it was kind of a waste to use the idol on Anna thought about it, but if they use the idol on Anna at this point, right? Julia comes back and they have the numbers at that point try to just run the game to the merge. Ty gets to the end, but he has no chance of winning. And so, you know, maybe there is an alternate route where he keeps some of his allies along. he doesn't get in bed with Scott and Jason because that's going to be to me. That's part of the reason why he doesn't get any votes. You know, Ty is like, I want to hang out with the cool people with the nice people. They're really friendly and I love them. And then he's like, Hey, you're not nice. I don't love you anymore. Get out of here. And he jumps over to these guys. He's like, they're nice Its like, o, they're mean t, now you're being mean. He's like Well, I got get rid of them too. I think he's a little flip floppy after the merge. and maybe if he had kept his numbers strong here, he could have been a part of like a dominant alliance and it maybe won out. Okay So you say that he should use the idol. He should sayve Ananiate. No because you know, again, using your idol on somebody so it's so early in the game, right? It's so early. But they would have such a commanding lead over the over the the other tribes if they brought in Julia right here. likeike it would just be a no brainer. They could lose the next challenge. they'd be fined Maybe he could have just saved Scott. Yeah, couldould he just like, save Scott? I mean, we could talk about that when we get there, but that is interesting. You know, Scott Pollard, I thought was really an interesting player in this episode. I don't know if he got the fishy, but I was listening to the know it alls. And Stephven was also high on Scott Pollard. I think this is Scott Pollard's best episode of the season so far. He's an interesting person. you know, I couldn't help but think as he was in the challenge. He's partnered up with Aubrey and him and Aubrey kind of have a pretty good relationship. that they end up on the same swap tribe. And I was thinking like, wow, I see this giant man running through the water and I was like, wow, this is like Proto Jonathan Yeah, a little bit, a little bit, but Jonathan doesn't really have a partner in crime like Scott does. Scott linking up with Jason. I think the two of them Yeah become what bigger than the sum of their parts or whatever the saying is. Yeah. more that Or maybe it's less than the sum of the parts because that when they're separated, We said we said this the other day about how Either of them on their own. are fine. It's the two of them together. That's a problem Yeah moveoment by themselves force when they're together. and when they're together, it is bad Yeah, right? And like they're able to kind of like feed off of each other. It probably didn't help that they were together in poonderosa. Who knows how they would vote if they were separate. I even think after Scott gets voted out, I think that Jason kind of has a so I could be misremembering this, but I think that he kind of has like a social game after Scott gets voted out He definitely gets a more sympathetic edit. So I know I remember this much that we start to hear more about his daughter and you know, kind of him being the family man. And I think that is very much overshadowed by him and Scott being Beavis and Buthead. Yeah. But we have this funny romance with Scott and Ty That's Ty's superpower. okay? don't romance. Yeah, I can't trust you. If Ty don't like y don' trust you. So yeah, Sott comes in. he's just like, o my God, look at Ty's so widow. I can just toss him up a tree. And Ty's like, he got size eighteen feet this man. it's crazy, big man. And so yeah, they linked up Imediately. Yeah, he like picks Thie up and puts him in a tree so you can go get the mangoes Yeah. See, this is what teamwork is. Where are you at Alicia? See, this why couldn't you just let Scott just toss you up and your blades? Just let him to do. She doesn't wear that much more than Tie Do she wear more than t? They might be the same wayight at best, but you're right. This is all he wanted, which is a little sidekick. He can just like like walk around with like a little like mini me type figure. Yeah. Yeah. So it's very fun to see Ty and Scott Pollard together Do you think u Ty and Scott Bond if it's Jason there with him is as well, right? Like is Ty just he needs like like Scott just needs a number two. Or if Jason is there, are they like still pulling in Tyres their third? I feel like he makes this bond because he doesn't have a Jason, notot necessarily Al So ye, I think it probably becomes like third wheel type of energy when Jason ends up coming back. I wanted it to be like a two Christmases situation, right? Wh So like Jason comes back and Ty's there and Ty's like, Hey, Scott, best friend. He's like, you know, Jason's here. What are you doing? He's like, Hey man, what who's your new guy? Oh, nobody. He's nobody. You don't have to worry about him. I would have love to see a dynamic like that, but that's not what we get. It's not what we get, but we'll see them all get together in a couple of weeks. So let's talk about the two different tribes for people who did not just watch the episode where the two tribes end up being the tribe that we spend the most time with is the new Beauty tribe, the new yellow tribe, right? where it we have it's three, two in one. It's three brains where Aubrey Joe and Peter go. then we also have Anna and Ty and then we have Scott Pollard. And the wrinkle here is, which is an interesting one, that Julia Sokolaowski goes to Exile Island and that the person who gets voted out, then we will have they will be replaced by the person who went to exile Island Right, right. And so this makes no sense to keep a beauty around because by bringing in a beauty, then Ty and Anna will then't have three Peter Peter would be gone at that point and then it would be Aubrey and Joe and Scott with Ty and Anna right there, I'm assuming. because it does feel like Aubrey and Joe are like, do we really need Peter? You know? Yeah he's here, but is he really a brain There's some interesting things going on there though, where that we see for the first time that Joe and Aubrey kind of have a relationship and they're going be close allies through the rest of the game. and we didn't really see them interact too much on the original Brains tribe, but they're here And then also Peter is the third brain and they're barely tolerating him still But Peter think he's in charge. Peter's still dictating the rules. he's still talking about the plan in front of everything. This man has learned nothing from being blindsided at all and being on the bottom for two votes. because I think there's even a moment where I mean, the thing that he does that pisses off Tres where he's like, Yeahah, so obviously we're voting out a beauty this time because it makes sense for the numbers. Ties' like I don't want to hear that. Nobody wants to hear you telling us the pecky Gder. That's really what pissed off Ty. he just came out and flats like, I heard this one of YouTubeers getting voted out tonight Yeah And T's like, who told you that? And who left you in charge? And so you know, everybody's kind of going to Aubrey and Joeie and like, can you can you believe this guy? Y'all like him And Aubrey's like, no, we don't like him. Yeah. So we're trying to figure out what to do with him, but it would it wouldn't make sense to vote out Peter here just so Julia can come in and then Ty Anna and and Julia can make all the decisions for the tribe at that point. At that point, Aubrey and Jo are at the bottom and they're just going to take Scott and just eliminate both the brains There's no point in eating each other right now. It really seems like that Joe and Peter really don't get along. I think Aubrey tolerates Peter because we see some moments where Aubrey, Peter, and Scott are in the shelter together I don't know if I ret toolerates Peter. because I think she was the loudest detractor last what was it the last episode where she's just like, can we just vote him out now? because I think that's when he was telling her what was the place She said he had no EQ Yeah, and Aubrey does not like to be told the plan, okay? She needs to be in on it. She's a brain too, you know? And so yeah, Peter is just like, I think he thinks he's fine. He's like, it's just us the three best brains and they're like Yeah, I can't wait to hold you out But they know they need to get rid of one of the beauties. That's the only thing that's working in Yeah, it's a no brainer. And the problem is Peter is talking about it, like it's a no brainer and nobody wants to hear his opinion about this. You just keep it to yourself, voting on beauty and just try to be likekable. If you're voting out of beauty, you should be at least trying to make yourself the most liable brain amongst the brains, right? Be Obviously the beauties are not going to take this connly. They're going to try to strike back at one point. Why don't you make it Aubrey and Joe that they're after? No, he decides to put a big old bullseye on himself. Yeah, he doesn't even consider flipping on the brains. He's like, nope, everything' fine Everything's fine. L like, Peter, you're at the bottom. What's the worst that can happen here? Just go. what what you flip right now? Let's say he goes with Ty, Anna and Sky. He's like,, okay, who do you want? Arbya Joe I'm sure I'd go with it. They werere like, all right, fine, you know, But inste like, whope, so what of y'all? I mean, because Ty and Scott are close. Maybe Scott Pollard is really anti having another beauty come in for some reason, but if it's like, hey, let's get rid of Aubrey, let's get rid of Joe that I don't know why they wouldn't do that I think it's Peter. I think he's a problem. I think once he starts talking about how, okay, because he starts off the episode basically saying, I don't have to do anything and not comm make the merge. It's the brains to the end and we we'll be fine because we're going to kick off the beauty and then we're just kick out everybody else and everything will'll be fine. It's like No, Peter, you're at the bottom brains you don' need to be with them. You need to be looking at other like greener pastors. but the problem is that he pisses off Tyre and everybody so quickly just being so arrogant about his position in the game that I don't think it ever crosses his mind to be like, so What if We did a thing, you know, like G to Scott and be like, I'm kind of a bron, you know? Like, don't you think I'm kind of bron Go to Anna and it's like I'm beautiful on the inside and outside too, you know, Like, I don't know smiles. We have nice smile. He was just talking about how nice his smile was. I'm just saying, you was what you got, sir. Do you think that Anna maybe screw this up from the start by throwing tie under the bus where if they were like, Hey, where' a duo, where're united front Then maybe we have to work with that as opposed to, okay, so which one of them do we want to get rid of I don't know, Rob, because I read the tribe and I have spoken and I'm pretty sure like there's some sage wisdom in there about throwing your ally under the bus in Swapspru. Isn't that Swamspr? Yeah. Yeah, I was trying to think it through. I guess they don't know necessarily that the there's a fracture among the brains Right, right. But I think if you just pay attention could see it. right? I just I find it hard to believe that Joe and Aubrey are really faking this friendship with Peter Well. I don't think Joe fakes it Right, exactly. And honestly, I don't think Aubrey does either. She does not seem like the type. Aubrey not the Aubrey I knows, you know, she's I could you got to be c be able to catch your eye roll or something there a deep side. There's something there that should tell you Mbe maybe we got a little room to play. but you're right. Anna, if anything, she she kind of says in her final words. Maybe she played too hard, too fast. And I think that's the thing too. she does come off threatening. You know, Peter is talking about how like she's got brains, but she's also like she's beautiful, but she's also like a gamer Well they shouldn't know you're a gamer. you just met them, you know, like So maybe that's what it is. She's not able to manage her threat level. And so it's just so painfully obvious that it needs to be her. Yeah. And she was throwing Ty under the bus pretty hard She was, which makes her like obviously it shows like that she wants to survive, which also goes to say that okay, then that means she's playing hard. I did like her laying down conffessional. I love when Survivor does these weird ass conffessional spots. She's laying down talking about how strategic she is.'s a get up You know, like who what producer laid next to her with the camera? They're not doing that anymore. That's not that is not in the new era. We're not we're not trying's not a show about Hey, there are some attractive people on television. We're not We're not really talking about that anymore. I always like the weir conffessional spots. even like I think about you sitting next to that log all hung over, you know, or drunk. You know, like that it's just like, why are you down there? And the producers just went with it. Yeahep. I wonder if it's in the twenty six day game. We got to get all these confessionals quick. We don't have time to frame them I've never really been a person who cared about the game being longer It is annoying that you take off all the little cool nuances just because we limit the days and so now you go We gota go. We gott go. We're losing daylight.ta go got to go gota go Yeah. We gotta move. Yeah gotta move. Yeah K ch K change. Yeah, we had an all time Debbie quote in this episode where she said Ding k ching k ching. Oh yeah, here it is. Ding ka ching k ching. She's really been on one in the last couple episodes. S From the very first from the very first minute of the show that we see Debbie where she's talking about how her occupations, but also how puzzles lay down like her for lay down for her like tonight. They did they did tonight. The fish lay right on down. Mhm Yeah, the puzzles lay down for me like lovers. The puzzles isn't even the most interesting part of that factory we got from Debbie. Yeah. Debie's got a lot of lovers out here, man. She lot of lovers. Yeah. She's a lover, not a fighter And mayaybe I fight her. She told Siddy, I was ripped two weeks ago, you know? So Debbie's all things. She can be everything. I was talking to Stehven about Debbie on the know it Alls and we're talking about like what an all time legend. You know, Debbie is going to play so many more times. She's gonna like she was a juggernaut at this point in survivor history. Do you think she loses any of that magic in game chack? Or is she still a juggernaut and we just never go back to returning players You know what that I wonder if there was a world where maybe you could have seen a Debbie three point zero that she goes back to back and I think that the second time she is certainly not the same. There's not a like a joy outside like when Cochrane shows up, maybe in the very beginning of Game changers. But I don't know if that was a turnoff for production or if that there was just an overall You know, A fatigue of Debbie. It does feel like that you could have maybe seen her again. Could you squint and see Debbie on Survivor fififty You're gonna bring her back with Aubrey They're gonna to play three times together Yeah, why not? They're not friend? Yeah. Who's out? Chrissy Uh Jenna Lewis I think that Jenna Lewis at least you get some scope of going back to the you know, I hate to lose Jenna Lewis. I only kicked her out because of the way the show went for her, right? withith her being the first boot. I'm saying, like had you swapped out Debbie into that spot instead? Debbies Debbie probably not the first boot, which is really crazy to say considering how big of a personality she is. She does a really good job of corrallaling numbers. We see it in this episode We saw it on the brains, you know, one point zero. And then she's if I'm not mistaken, she's in the majority for for game changers as well. So I don't know if Debbie comes in and gets booted out so easily. 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Comfort in It's calling your name. Save on the stay. Oh, and free waffles are yours to claim, Book toack at chysotels dot com Okay Should we talk about the Debbie tribe? Because the Debbie Tbe is also interesting. It's two V two V two, where just like the original Brains tribe, which is, I think also the Blue tribe beach They love having two V two V two and so you have here it's Debbie and Neil versus Nick and Michelle versus Jason and Sydney Yeah. and this is fun, right? Because it's deadlocked. And so you have to see basically who's going to fold first, where these alliances are going to go. But even though it's deadlocked on this tribe, there's still other things to consider. The Bron tribe doesn't exist, right? They're They're in the intentional map seeing spot So everybody wants to pick them up to take the numbers away from the other group, right? So this is really brains versus beauty and whoever can get the bronze on their side Debbie's working over timee. She goes to Sydney and it seems like she immediately get Sidney together which brings her in with Jason and Neil. So that's a core four. But if I'm not mistaken, that four is like able Because I don't think that's where we land at the end of the episode is the Mo Jar ever link up with Jason as well? I think he's in the swinging spot, right? Yeah, I think ultimately that Jason got pitched on an alliance with the beauties from the Mayo Jar. and then we saw that Siddney got pitched on an alliance with the Brains. We didn't really see maybe this is where Michelle is really pissing off Neil. This is like the where where he's learning that she's just a puppy on the teet Suffling So we never because this group doesn't go to Tal councsel next week either. We don't know how it would away. I do think though that the logic that was, hey, Julia is going to come in and replace a one of the beauty tribe members, I think might have like we might have lost Michelle if we end up going to the tribe of council. Like talk about like butterfly fact. if if this Try, this puzzle goes the other way If Anna Kate and Peter are able to put together the puzzle over Dbbie and Neil I think it's probably Michelle who goes home. I think it's like, okay, well, let's take out. We lost one beauty woman instead of Anna I think M we lose Michelle because it's like, oh, we're not going to let there be Michelle and Julia and Nick beond this tribe That's true. I mean, it's tough. Michelle does have a crazy social game. so maybe somehow she's able to outflank Nick there. but I would say that yeah, she's probably most likely to go in this spot if something does go wrong. But you know, this was the first episode we've heard from Michelle in a couple episodes. She had nothing to do with anything going on in the game, but this I think this is where the edic people start to perk up a little bit Because Michelle was telling us about how bad the swap was for her and he told us again about how the swap was for her. But we never see Michelle talking real b Yeah, but we never see Michelle talk to anybody or do anything about it. We see like Siddney and Debbie, we see Nick and Jason, but we never see Michelle go to anybody and say, hereere's what I'm thinking. And so I think this is where the edgy people are like, ha haa, there's our winner. because we definitely got how Michelle sees it in this episode. Yeah I missed it in real time. I might have missed it tonight also What H two professionals? Yes Yeah, and they were two confessionals about the exact same thing. It was, Hey, I got swap grow basically. This sucks. Then they go back to they go to the tribe and then she goes, Damn, this sucks. I got swap grow. And then the next time we hear Michelle mentioned, it's Nick talking about how he can manipulate her So we never seeichelle's like actual actions, but we do hear from her. and I think it starts right here because these last two episodes she has been silent. And so if they didn't give her any content in this episode, yeah, it would have been very weird for her to be the winner of the season. I do think that she would have been in trouble from this tribe if they went to tribal councsel because we know by the next episode, Debbie has a crush on Nick I think that Jason is going to have a lot of sway. in terms of also that we saw him bonding with Nick. I'm not sure that Neil is going to really want to, you know, vouch for Michelle here over the Mayo jar if it comes down to which Beauty goes home No, they're probably thinking let's keep the tribe strong and Nick's a good guy. So you know, it'd be really hard for Michelle to to kind of pitch her case here. I'm not going to count her out because I've seen her do some amazing things across several reality shows at this point. but It does ally. I had to bet against somebody in this spot Yeah, that puzzle goes theong way. I'm thinking Michelle might be gone Yeah, But it's crazy because the brains tribe, they had their two brains here on Neil and Debbie kind of like on the puzzle. I thought, that's cool. B. then I look at the other tribe and they got Anna Kate on the puzzle. I was like, was Aubrey busy You know, I just feel like if you labeled a brain Use it Yeah. Maybe Anna Kave was like, hey, I got to save my life here in the game. Maybe and then Arey's Arey' a like decently physical player when like when it comes to like the challenges as well. So maybe they thought she would be better served at different parts of the challenge. But I just thought it was weird that I was like, okay, clearly you put your brains on the puzzle and they did not I don't normally spend as much time talking about the challenges, but this is a challenge. I feel like we haven't seen this in a while. I had to look on the wiki to see if we've even had this challenge in the new era, but even the challenge felt very fresh compared to the types of challenges that we have in the pre merge in the new era, right this even even go go out, get the fish, carry them back, do the fish puzzle felt different than the types of, you know relay erace obstacle course that we get in the new era. Yeah, the new era is very much run, duck under the cargo net into the mud, over the wall, over the little the little A wall or whatever. Then you walk across the balance beam carrying something, then you toss the sandbags at whatever you got to knock down Yeah And then you go and then you do the puzzle at that point. I could design these challenges no respect to Matt Van Wagen, but I could just like storyboard the challenges. I can't design them. but I definitely could kind of you can kind of foresee where Survivor is going in the new era every time whereere these challenges of all I think have been very different. You know, sometometimes they're in the sand dying from dehydration, sometometimes they're in the water. they keep switching it up. So this challenge was done exactly three times in Survivor history. Co wrong, game changers and winners of war And then retired after season forty like so many other things did too, you know, But I will say this Corong really does feel like seeds of the new era because we got we got my the answer to my question about that third that third super I and It' feeling very amulet, you know, shared secret type of vibe, right? Whereas like in the new era, we will see, okay, if one of you has a thing, it means this. If you two of you have a thing, it means this if three of you have a thing, it gets even more powerful. You should f each other out. This is kind of similar. I don't know why this isn't the idle rule for all seasons that it played to great effect here in Survivor C wrong and ultimately that the rule is that there's these three hidden immunity idols. And if you put any two together it becomes a super idol that can be played after the vote. To me, I feel like that this is this makes sense of that you could have this in every season And we were trying to remember we didn't remember Neil's idol until we remember that he left with an idol. And then we got this moment I always feel like that like the timing is always like it's like classic survivor of like before the tribe swap episode five the other idol gets found right before we go to the tribe Swap. Sometimes you get it with the merge like with Hunter in season forty six Uh We Malcolm and Denise find an idol like this in surv the Philippines like right before we werere about to swap.k God we find the idol. Yeah. I think it's u The idea that, okay, look, there's no point in faking it. Y'all know we about to swap, we about to look for the idol. just all hands on deck until we find it. It doesn't look like a scramble, but I feel like it's probably the energy behind it, right? If If you got to live there then you have to pretend to go get firewood and all this kind of stuff We know we swapping I'm not pretending no moreore. Let mem just'll find it. Sometimes also I think it's like, okay, maybe Neil found the idol on day seven you know and you're just seeing it now need to explain that he has an ol I think a lot of that is probably true as well. But yeah, Neil findinding the Iidol here really did give me flashes of the new era because I thought about like you were saying, what if the idols the idol mechanism, the rule just in general is if you have more than one of them, it's more powerful. Yeah. That makes total sense as opposed to You know, if you have one, it's this, but if you have two, it's this. And if you have three is it's like just make it keep it simple. stupid, you know, this's just kind of like makeake it a blanket rule. And then you get to season fifty and it's almost impossible to have two idols because we say, okay, no, you got to get the idol and then give it to somebody elseing they can't transfer. Yeah. and then they can't transfer to play it for nobody else. It's like where's the fun in that? This was fun Mhm. Yeah. so there was a couple of wild things that got said in this episode. Neil said that Peter is a cancer on the tribe. thing to say, especially about a surgeon. Yeah. His answer is actually his arch nemesis s. How dare get? Yeah Peter had a quote also. He was talking about tribal council. He was getting ready for tribal council. He said Tribal council is like the prom Um and he said what do what do he say that u, you know, everybody is's going to get to feel something by the end of the night Is that what he said? I thought that's what he said, but I wasn't quite sure what he was going with that. I didn't write down the last part of the quote. I thought I would remember it, but I did not. No I have nothing to add to that. It sounds like you had a more eventful prom than I did Yeah, I'm just trying to see if let me see if I can look at tribal cououncil prom. if I could find my notes from The, you know, I didn't do. Oh, hereere are my notes from march sixteenth, twenty sixteen Archives Yeah. I a lot of Ive wre a lot of notes to myself in my Gmail drafts and then I sent them to me. So here are my notes from that night. why am I taking notes when we're watching this? I pull out my notes from the original night. So yes. Yes. triribal councs like the prom U I want to see how it plays out. Okay,'s that's what he says. I didn't include the part the part about everybody feels something But we want to see how it plays out regardless. Yeah Okay. so that's not. I'm trying to see if there anything else interesting fromom my notes Yeah, I would love to know any hot takes that you had back then But I write now. I just write what happened. I don't really write my takes in my not It' like dream of consciousness. Yeah. need to You just need to remind yourself of what was going on and then you can make your commentary from there. Yep. So Michelle also went ono the wrong mat Yeah, because muscle memory, right? Yeah Yep. So that was a funny moment in the episode What do you think about the tribal council where ultimately Ty is denying he had the immunity idol at tribal cououncil He is and this plays right into Scott's idea, right? because Scott knows that there's only a few witnesses on here that know that Ty has his idol. One of the people is the late Aniate and because she she knows. so he has to get rid of her so that he can have Ty and his and that idol all to himself And obviously to Jason as well because they share ol whoo's it in possession of? Is it Scott's idol or is it Jason's idol? Jason Jason right? Yes. All right, cool. They'll Row shambao about that later on as well. But yeah, I think in this moment Ty's saying that, but it's mostly theater. This is Scott knowing that Ty has it and if he wanted him to use it, they probably would be using it tonight. but he talked him out of it. He's going to try to use it later on. It's going to give us a good TV moment. so I'm very excited that he didn't play it. Is there anything that Anna could have done to blow up Tysot? Or does she just assume that Ty is playing the idol for her at this tribal council I think she's I think she's got the fake plan, right? I think the fake plan is there. He's playing the idol for her. He doesn't know she doesn't know that Scott has gone behind her back and like kind of like undercut her to cut her out of this deal. Could she go to Aubrey Joe and Peter and be like Scott Ty has an idol And if we vote him out now, We can get rid of the idol. But I think that's what she tries, honestly. I think that's mean, I don't know if she ever explicitly says he has an idol, but they definitely show her alluding to him potentially having one. Well, in the beginning of the episode, he's definitely telling them that she's definitely telling them that he has the idol. But then he says he's going to play it on her and then she's like, I love this guy. What are you talking about? It's like she kind of like let it go Right, but she probably shouldn't have. Maybe she should just lean in and be like, Yeahah, I love this guy. Play your idol for me one thousand percent. Play your idol for me. He plays it for her. It's like, lookook, y'all we can get them, you know, or even even, you know, slimier tie Let me hold your idol in case they try to vote you out, you know? and then Go to Aubrey and Peter and them and be like, lookook, he's dead to wrs. I have his idol and I'm gonna to play it. You know's like I don't know if she has that in there. and I also don't know if Ty is that gullible. but I just don't really think there's much you could have done. Yeah Chappelle, do you recall that Aniate was my season thirty two winner pick It sounds about right. Yeah. I also kind of remember, did she come to runun it up Reno? She did. She was as a poker person. She came to running up Rino in season after season thirty two. It was before People were leaving for survivor game changers. And I did have the opportunity to spend I spent some time with her then She she definitely she had some Wacky I takes about things. Anna Kate did. She did. She did. Dam I could not have seen that. She has some interesting takes about things. but she also like This is so this is Let me let me see like We're gonna try to have a mature conversation Not sure not to say that that you I'm just for the audience. okay? She was somebody who I believe did visit the Capitol on january sixth B that I believe at this time in survivors that Donald Trump was not even the president the first time. that it was not even he was not even the Republican nominee for president at this particular time. you have to like hold these things in your in your hands in like this is this is the past. This is these other things that haven't happened yet. But she was there and she was a quirky character. she had she had told Tyson and myself and Boston Rob about how She really thought we needed to buy gold. Gold is going to be the currency that they, you know, that you needed to do that. She she really was was very much say we needed to not stay away from the tap water. was was something that she was talking about Okay. Yeah. She had I don't know. She was passionate She had she had st she had she said look, that I have hot takes You know what? honestly I believe that. I believe that this is a very passionate woman about the things that she believes in. I think she's all in on whatever she believes at the moment. you know? And so I'm not shocked to hear any of that stuff, especially that january sixth part. Yeah Sutopia two has come home to Disney plus. Let's go. Get ready for a new case. We're gonna crack this case and prove we're victorious partners of the time. New friends. You are Gay Dustnake. And your last name Gust snake.. 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Terms apply, leararn more at go.amic slash graphite So Another winter pick down. but she I honestly feel like she played she played a good game There wasn't anything she could do. She that was true. Now is is the is the evolution of the game? Let's say we take some some vibes from season fifty and put it into coror. Okay. What if we had Julia Sookolowski as the power broker? You know, and now she can go between both sides kind of like in the are both jobes voting somebody out Sure whatever We have a double Tal couounsel. this is a hu All right. so let's put make let's just play it. Okay. So Julia Fklski is the power broker. She's going to go and now she will and she has immunity Oh, so if that's the case then the beauties just win the day, right? Not necessarily because now it's tribes of seeven. So now will will Julia is immune, but Nick and Michelle aren't. So could Jason and Sydney and Neil and Debbie Vote out, Michelle or Nick, it's actually pretty interesting Yeah and it also feels like Michelle still screwed, right? Like because yeah, that Julie doesn't have the power to swing the numbers completely. you know, she's just she's one she she actually makes them a bigger target. I mean, that's that's essentially why they want her out now because the idea of her coming back into the game is too threatening to have, you know, the beauties just have such a demanding lead on them. I mean, if it wasn't for Caleb getting metivac They would have their entire try would still be intact. So this is kind of the first chance you have to shed some blood on that side. Yeah D you do a reverse power broker where that you put people to exile and then have their tribes go to tribal council? I guess that's kind of like what was gonna happen to Sree where she wasn't going to be able to vote, but you'd be safe, but your tribe like in the pre merge You're safe, but your tribe is going to lose a number Yeah, I feel like there's something there for sure, right? Like almost like a safy without power type vibe where if you are on the exile, then you know, you're safe, but they could have used you. Yeah, I guess that's kind of what's going on here. This time, she doesn't have a tribe. you know, just she she's just loyal to the numbers that she had I don't know. I feel like there's something here. and I think honestly, I do think Co wrong is probably the reason they start trying to work around this. You get the vibe that they didn't want to send her to exile. You know, if it wasn't for the Caleb Mleback, there is no exile in this season. Jeff really explains it. He's like, Hey, we were going to do this, but now we have to do this because of the medical evacuation. In the new era, I think they would just do whatever they're going to do. no, we're always doing this. This was we were always doing this This was always the plan We didn't change anything. just No, do they but but they definitely don't. They definitely don't change anything. I've heard Jeff on record saying like hey, theres nothing you can say to make us change anything. Damnit And that's fine But I do think here This is probably where they're like, I don't like this. I don't think they love this. I don't think they lo Anna cake being swap screwed really, you know, because I think it does kind of take the fun out of the game a little bit as a viewer, but then that's also somebody who would want to play. I would hate to go out there. This would probably be my big like v me out first. Don't ever put me in a situation where I feel like there's nothing I can do. L I don't like that. G me out the game. Listen, she was doing the puzzle. She could have She could have done the puzzle all like her fate was in her hands Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess kind of Yeah, not like me who I was I was sitting out of the challenge when they voted me out on Surviv for All Stars And then you didn't even fight with SZu Hk. Did didn't even fight with Su Hawk, Yeahah. So Su Hwk is kind of like a proto debbie Oh yeah, there's no there's no Debbie without Suue Haw. There's no there's no survivor without Sue Hawk. makeake no mistake. without her, this show last one season.. We've had a big episode coming up next time, Chappelle. Do you you remember what , I can tell you what I think is the most famous thing from this next episode for his next episode. Is this I don't need to be carried, bro. Is it that moment because that's I'd like with the merge. Perhaps I think it's early for I don't need to be carried, bro Okay, Bro Or maybe she does maybe Mich Maybe Bro I know is later Bro, I know. Yeah, like I feel like that's kind of emerged territory. What's going to happen in the next episode? What you got? Big oper vote. Big bigy big Abery swing boat Oh, no, I don't remember this. I'm very excited to see. Yeah. All right, well look we'll be on the lookout for that. One of the seminal moments in the early days of Aubrey's career Uh, Let's find out when they decide they're gonna bring her back becauseuse I think that right now she's just a character, but yeah, we'll see when she starts Not even a main character really She's just chilling. her and Michelle have just been chilling so far this season. Not a lot to do. Yeah. Theyve, you know, more for Aubrey to do so far than Michelle, but for the most part, for them to to go out to be the two biggest stars from this season, you wouldn't know it at this point. You kind of understand where Survivor like They they were not thrilled with this season They put it on the back burner. They said, Okay, let's let's put another season in front of it because that We don't know about this season In their minds, I think they might have thought like, hey We're building up these characters. They're getting taken out. We end up at the end of the game with three your tie is there. He's there with three women that we're not really spending a lot of time with in Syiddney and Michelle and Aubrey And they ultimate end up being the stars of the season We get a little bit more Sydney than the other two for sure, but Sydney doesn't even make it to that final Tbal counselil to your point. So yeah, I think they invest a lot of time into some characters that get met of that, you know, even with Joe. you know, we've been spending a decent amount of time with Jose's episode one He's going to go out Maect. Caleb was the star of the Beauty tribe alongside Ty. He gets metact. Yeah, it's not great Okay, so we'll talk about that episode six is coming up next. This episode. We talked about the titles the whole way through. The title of this episode is u D deevil you know Yes. Okay. I don't know, I don't know if he said. Did somebody say that? Yeah, I He must have said that. Okay. Yeah. We glossed over Sydney. She's a brain. She went to Ivory League school. Yeah. schoolool. U Pen, I believe Yeah. I was like, o, okay. And she's like, Yeahah, Th these people don't know how smart I am.'s like I think this is another this is more evidence of they just need to put these people somewhere, right? They like Caleb, you're a beauty, but you could have been a brwn. You know, Sydney's a brraon. She could have been a brain. you know, I think they were just shuffling the numbers and this is where we were viving Yeah. ye. Yeah. Okay. All right. So that's what's coming up next time, Episode six. 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