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Rob, the episodes have started to Drop on YouTube and the people are now like we're finally getting the feedback, you know, for the people who aren't paying attention. We've been recording these a little early. And so I didn't know how people were going to take the C wrong watch, but it seems like people are enjoying it and I'm enjoying seeing people enjoy it Yeah. it's been a great response so far and we're so excited everybody is having fun and we're closing out the preerge here tonight talking about this big episode where a lot of strategy going on here in this last episode before we get to merge and it all hinges on Dr. Peter Wild I'm very confused about what's going on here on this is it Gondol tribe? So yeah, you have to explain it to me like I'm five years old if I can Yeah, I'm very confused because Peter here is obviously trying to flip something that he should be doing. you know, he's at the bottom of his brains Alliance and they will vote him out. I mean, they do vote him out in this episode. So it's not a bad move, but I think he's so overt about it that they catch on and they just like, you know, just cut bait. But the fact that this was an unsuccessful flip on his part is's just fascinating to me. This should have been so easy Yeah I just How did he fumble this? How did they fumble this? Yeah, well, it seems like that they didn't have a great plan also but it doesn't really seem like that that was a huge part of Aubrey's decision, at least not in the text of what we saw in the episode that if for anybody needs whos a refresher. So we have Julia Sokalaowski who came in for Anna Kate to this new tribe alongside that there's Scott Pollard and there's Ty. but there's also three people from the original Brains tribe and Peter and Joe and Aubrey. And so for Aubrey, she's like, hey, we've got three. We're going to dictate what's going on here. And I'm not sure if they thought maybe we'd pull in Julia or what But that they felt like we have three. We're good Th into six is not necessarily a sure thing and They just felt very good about, Okaykay, if we stick together, we got this And they're ultimately going to go into a plan where I guess they think that they have the three brains sticking together, but it's going to be a tie Right Is it? because the show doesn't, like you said, the text does not address it. This is a season where we had a tie vote the very first vote. So I know they can address it. But this time around, they're making it seems like the brains have the numbers because they are all from the same brain tribe. But like you said, it's three versus three. It's three brains versus three non brains. And if this is the new era These brands are cooked. you know,, they're going to come in and the two other sides are going to link up together and try to eat the bigger side here. And so you would just imagine that, okay, at the very least, they're tied. And thener Peter Bagenstus has been at the bottom of that alliance So naturally He's should flip. Go with them. They take out the brains. He's the last surviving brain. getet to the merge. It's a new game for him why the show doesn't even address that that at best, the brains are proposing a tie vote. I don't understand what they're doing. I was to come that they had some assurance maybe Scott Pollard they thought was going to vote with them And the plan was, hey, we're just ganging up on the beauties and we're taking out now Julia or they thought maybe Ty was going to vote with them Yeah, but how? You know, we don't ever see Like we don't see a relationship between Aubrey. Matter of fact, they kind of want Aubrey out., you know, so we don't see a relationship between Aubrey and Ty at this point or Aubrey and Scott Um You know, Aubrey and Julia, we don't really see that. And so the fact that the brains are walking around with two and a half brains and being like, yeah, so we're going to dictate how this is going. And the other tribe well, the other three people just kind of seemingly taking it very's very fascinating to watch Also fascinated to watch Peter Bagasas You could if you was going to flip, you could have flippp last row. Like you didn't have in the move, I think when you had the advantage to be able to do that and go with Anna and Ty and Scott and vote out Joe or Aubrey last time I mean, I guess he doesn't like I guess if you bought out Jar Aubrey last time, Anna Kate comes back and then they could just vote you out. So I guess that's a worse position because Anna Kate will But you still there or Aubrey is still there I mean, yeah, but it's either you or them and Peter doesn't have the best social game. So I think if there's a coin toss, I think he loses most times. I mean, he beat Liz Markham in the in the coin toss, but I think that came down to tribe strength. I think at this point nobody cares about tribe strength. They know these tribes are temporary at best So I just don't know how he ended up in this spot where the the The obviious choice is to flip He does flip. Like he essentially flips. Joe scolds him for flipping so that he unflips because damn, I got caught flipping And now He has somehow voted out. It's like theyot they they killed a hostage. But he didn't even he wasn't really a hostage. He was free. He was free to go. I just don't understand how he ended up diving back in front of the bullet. The whole episode is crazy. and I want to go through it in greater detail, but we have a scenario where Earlier in the episode Joe wantants nothing to do with Peter. That's it. Peter is gone and Aubrey like it's Aubrey talks sense into Joe. He said Joe, we need him. We need him. We have to we have to keep him around. And then ultimately, Joe and Peter get into a big confrontation with love to talk that through And then eventually they come around that they make amends And then Aubrey is like fine I'll vote out Peter. Let's let's do it. Joe's like we can't change the plan. That's it. We got we got' listen, you can't just change that late in the game Stick to the plan Is it bad that I'm team Joe in this conversation? Now look, the first half what Joe is doing is insane, right? You know Peter is going around throwing your name out and you're Y tactic, your social game says I should go confront him and scoulled him becausecause that will definitely stop him from flipping. Show, it does stop him from flipping. But it shouldn't. it shouldn't. If you come and tell me like I heard you were saying my name behind my back, what's going on? I'm like, no, what are you talking about blah blah? And immediately I am writing your name down no matter what, because you you're on to me So like Joe, question mark question mark, question mark, what are you doing? But then they lose a challenge and Joe realizes, o, that's why that was dumb. We need him. We don't have the numbers. There's only two of us. We don't we're not in control. Let me go make amends. He does it successfully, which is more power to him, but only for Aubrey to hear her name come up and be like, well, that's over with. you know, like it was all fun in games where he wanted you out, Joe, but Julia and Scott said he wanted me out and we don't play like that. And so yeah, Peter ends up in the crosshairs and it looked like the show at least presented like Scott goes to Peter and's like, Hey, Here's your chance. lets let's go make a thing. And he's like, Noah, I think we're just going to vote out Julia this time. We don't really have to We ain't got to get into that. No worries. He's back to his old Peter Bagenstast nonsense. Yeah And then the thing that is probably the most famous thing about this episode is that we see Aubrey go up And Aubrey votes for Julia And then when we see Jeff turn over the last vote, The Julia has been crossed out. and the name is just Pete first time this has ever happened, right? I believe like. I didn' believe the first time. Has it happened since? I feel like it's happened since. Did baby Andy write down somebody's name and cross it out I don know what it feels like a baby Amy. Yeah. I'm sure the comments are going to be pouring in. I think that we're definitely going to get some the updated times that this has happened. It was not redacted It was not scribbled out. it was that Aubrey did not like rip the Julia partart out and then just hand in a card that says Peter You know, um I bet because it looked like Arby took forever back there. I bet she wrote it down and then she called one of the producers that were like, Hey, hey, I need a new paper. and they were like No m'am.. No, we don't do that. I don't know where you thought you were, but we're not doing that This is tough. Yeah, she really didn't have a choice because even as she just flipped it over and like scribbled it out and flipped it over, Jeff would have still showed that. He would have still been like Yeah. Peter, you're the next person on out. But he would have made sure you saw that somebody else was written down. There was nothing she could do was she was she Once she took the toothpaste out of the tube, she wasn't putting it back in. It's a great dramatic moment. It ends up being really the first true time that Aubrey is like really square in the center of the drama. you know, she has the panic attack in episode one. That's that's kind of what she's probably known for to this point. But this is the first true big moment for her on survivor Yeah, you know it's bad because Joe' the ones who's telling her like, Hey, this neurerotic stuff you got going on. likeike I get it. You're anxious, but like get it together. come on, get like focus. She's like, Yeahah, yeah, you're right. But in her mind, she's in there about to write Julia's name down knowing that it's going to a tie best she does not have the numbers. I don't know why she's writing Julia's name down in the first place. She knows she doesn't have the numbers. Who does she think is voting with her? because in my mind, if you vote for Julia And they vote for Peter It's going to tie and Peter is going to be safe And Julie is going to be say. So your targets, you won't even get them out. You're gonna get the people that you are allegedly working with. on the top of black This entire plan is flowed and I'm really shocked that Aubrey is like she evolves into such a good survivor player, I think. I think right now, Aubrey is not a great survivor player. I think today this episode was probably her low point for me. It is hot You know, hard to think clearly in terms of what's going on and that she's hearing her name She ultimately makes the right decision It just she arrives at the right decision about like two minutes too late. And it's just it doesn't and there could there is a better decision, you know, the better decision is, hey guys, why don't we go and try to win one of those people over to our side? But we never see that. And so because that's not an option, it's do we go do we Ride or die for Peter who's going to throw us under the bus. Or do we just voteem out because we don't like him he's going to throw us under the bus. It's like it's It's not that hard. L I don't I just don't understand how she got in her head about this so much. And maybe it's because Joe is kind of putting his foot down like we don't change the vote right now. You know, like we're not doing that because she doesn't let him in on it. She flips without him. and I think from this moment on, they will be in lockstep If I'm Joe I'm looking at her totally crazy, you could at least told me that you weren't going to come with the plan. like I know you didn't know what to, but at least tell me I'm going be out on the island here. I don't think that Joe is in on the deebbie vote. I think that there's going to be a point where they end up diverting later on in the game Be. It's a weird tribal council too, where we're talking about everybody's feelings and gut feelings and eventually What ends up happening that Scott Pollard ends up calling out like, hey, all right, it's the original plan think that maybe Maybe Scott and the crew were like, let's just vote for Peter and just like kind of just, you know, eat him, you know, and just be done with it.. And I think there was another part of them that was like wanted Aubrey out. I think Aubrey was the original target, but they were like, there's no way. like Peter's not coming with us, right? I think once they realized that Peter had already like, all right, he's solid with the brains. Joe's, we're never going get Joe. So we have to stick to this and just go to Ty and see what happens God And tie both H Iidols question mark Jason has the idol. Jason has the idol haaving an idol here makes this very interesting to me because in my mind I know that Ty doesn't want to go home with an idol in his pocket Um, you know, that's kind of his thing I think this is as good a time as ever to play one, you know, likeike if you're potentially got to go to rocks You know, being immune right now wouldn't be crazy. I don't think Ti is thinking it through like that with all due respect to Ti Because just to talk through the tie brereak scenario here So They're putting three votes on Peter and three votes on Julia. They'll be safe And then it's rare to have the pre merge rock draw U I do think that somebody would flip before we went to Rocks, right? I think Aubrey flips before we go to Rocks. Aubrey and Joe flip on Peter before they go to Rx L. both Peter is dead. Peter is dead. That's why I don't understand the point of this. You're going to flip on him anyway. Why did you write Julia's name now Maybe they thought The other like Scott and Ty would flip on Julia first, which is actually crazy Do we think Joe Del Campo knows the tie brereak rules I dont think Auby would have told him, evenven if he didn't know the rules. I think Aubrey like, all right. All right, Joe, hereere's what happens if we tie because again, the show does not address that this is a tie the entire time. They never once say, we could go to rocks or what are we going to do if it ties or do you think we can give somebody a flip? It never comes up in the narrative at all suchuch a weird production choice for them to not even frame it like that. Yeah But I have to assume Aubrey at least said out loud So we don't have the vates to win. like we don't have the v like we're three. What are we going do? What are going to do if everyverybody just does the right thing here. Th what? Yeah. it's such a great reveal ultimately when Jeff holds up the card and it's Julia crossed out and then Pete We ever heard him referred to as Pete, right U I think someone had called him Pete before, but yeah, this was the fall of Pete Bagenstas and I really enjoyed him as a survivor character this time around. Yeah. I didn't realize how what we had in the moment. Chf. He's good.. Dr. Peter A villain Yeah, for sure, for sure U But he wasn't the villain, right? because you got Scott and Jason there are like on that other level. You know, but Peter is a villain. He would be Perfectly Like if he goes further in the game, there's no way he doesn't get just like some dastardly edit. I could see him losing in Fal tribal counsel because everybody hates him. you know Albert adjacent, you know, where it's like used car salesman kind of like squirmy. like he's not going tos he's self interested, but he's also a little cowardice as well. like, you know, he's like I'm going to flip. And then you catch him. He's like a damn you got me. you know, that's kind of his vibe like he doesn't go full Rat But you can tell he wants to so bad. And so yeah I think we were robbed of a Bagenstaht's kind of return to survivor. That would have been fun He seems like not able to go through with any type of deceit. It seems like that it falls apart before he's able to pull off any of these plans. likeike he seems like he wants to And then he doesn't end up going through ultimately with turning on people I don't w want to call this man arrogant because the people in the show do enough I do think that there's a level of confidence that he has where he just feels like he can tell the truth. There have been so many episodes that we've talked about so far where Peter has just opened his mouth and told everybody what was going on includluding this one Inluding this one. He's sitting there talking to Scott. Scott said, Hey, you should come with us. And he goes, no we're voting out, Julia Why not lie? Peter, why not just say, yes, Scott, that's what I'm doing. I'm with you. But to sit on he's on the hammock you know, kind of h was it the Christie? You know, I don't know. I gotta do I go with this side? I go to this side think about what's good for me. You know what I mean? As's just like What? you have no power here. You have no power. Peter has no power at best He could get saved in a tire It's crazy to me that he does not end up in the numbers here. He was great. He was great. Bring him back. So good. Okay. But let me ask you something. I was going through some of the comments on one of the recent episodes. and let me ask you this because I had never heard this theory before And I want to let you know if there's any merit and I'm going to say allegedly and allegedly before I'm even going to read this. Okaykay. Okay. So there was a commenter who posted on Episode three's Recap. And we were talking about what was going on with all of the infections? What was happening here? Well, wow, whyy did everybody get so sick? Um and We were talking about Dr. Peter was there. He was there and he was like the on field medic And this person in the comments said Peter handled it by spreading infection through the cast, squeezing wounds and lancing blisters without even washing his hands. And I just started to think about All of the people that end up with these infections, and I do think that the one common denominator that they do have in common. When we think about like who are the people that ended up having these bad infections? And we think about, oh, we saw Joe And then we know that Neil and his finger and then Aubrey has an infection and then Ty also has and Liz also had this very bad infection. Peter himself I think even had to have surgery. I listened to the exit interview. and I was like Hm, Is there one person that all these people interacted with who may have received medical attention from How dare you? Is it possible I mean, it is possible. a but I'm still looking at production at survivor production crazy because I think as a medical professional, you have to do no harm. And I think that the production people, they have their own doctor on hand and he's watching Peter' friendt He was not trying to harm people, but you just look at the Path of The people he came because you know who didn't have infections? Nick Michelle. R. H Jason, Sidney, She She never Hey man maybe there was something on that beach. I don't know. Mbe. It's I mean, but the part where without washing your hands, I mean, it's very valid because there is no soap. You know, like you're just on an island, you know, lancing things without any type of You know, sterilization Joe right finger. All right, Neil, come let me see that Yeah. Yeah c let me see that knee Yeah passive a fish hook, passive a fish hook. I think I can I think I can do a little something here. likeike yeah, look. I'm not going to question his credentials, but I think on an island, I think things are slightly different. Now where was he when everybody was passing out Um I don't think he played a big role in that. Yeah, where was that? in my mind Peter should be like we should have got a shot of Peter like sprinting towards Siddney and like diving over, you know, like pour water. didn'b Joe had to take care of her. Joe was taking care of Debbie and Jason was taking care of Siddney. Peter Peter might have been playing a long game. He might have been like, look. Let them die No, I mean, I mean, you know, figuratively, figuratively speaking, you know, Yeah But they themself had to go have surgery after the season was over Yeah, I already went straight went straight to the hospital afterwards or something like that. It was it was pretty bad. But I mean, what was it about Co Rrong specifically that had everybody getting infections if it's not Peter, right? Like like they act like this is some anomaly specific to go wrong, but is there a part of the elements that make it specific to go wrong? I don't think so. I think that there was some sort of specific infection that I don't know how it ultimately ended up getting there if the contestants brought it in or somebody from the crew brought it in, but they don't have this in Cambodia which is, you know films in the same place the next season Right, exactly. I'm like they're back to back. And so I don't know if they go to a different beach because they're like, oh, that beach was infecty. Or do they just like stay at the current beach and they got rid of the infected people. Maybe the people were infected If you feel like you're stuck with the same pair of glasses and want to shake it up, you could get new ones, but replacing them always felt like more effort than it was worth. 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I got to test because if He I got to interrogate him. I'm an FBI guy. I'm going to go interrogate him. And he goes up to Peter And He said Hey literally like did you say Joe's gotta go? He's like he like what? Yes or no. Don't you lie to me. If you lie to me, I swear to God. And I'm thinking W jo, he tells you the truth. And if he lies to you, what's the difference in consequence? Like if he tells you the truth, You're not like, ah, wellll bring it in, at least you're honest, right? You're just like, hey, you're trying to vote me out. And if he lies to you, then I mean, which he should lie to you. I mean, he should definitely lie to you in this moment. But like, are you going to then be like I can't trust that guy that was just called out by that Like regardless You kind of got him in a lose, lose situation here. likeike he's got to lie and then just hope that you believe him, I guess. I mean, this is bad on Peter because why did you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar like this? but this is also really bad on Joe. You know the answer to your question. Why do you need to scratch this? It's so bad. You know exactly what's going on. You can keep Peter around as long as you want or you can vote him out, But you don't have to go and let him know That you're on him. That's crazy. Yeah. Do you think that he said to Aubrey right before this? All right Good cop, bad cop. you're good cop. Let's go. And Abody's like, no, I'm not going. No. That sounds like Arey Aubrey like, you do that. You do that. let me know how it goes. I think there's a moment when they're Right after they lose the challenge where Arbbera goes, Yeah, so Peter was supposed to do something. That didn't go great. So, you know we're with him now. This was like L could tell Arey's kind of like's over She's been over Peter for a while. She's over it. But Joe Del Campo was trying to get a yes or no answer out of Peter and he wouldn't give it them And Joe said if he's dancing, that means he's lying. Youre right. And I was like, oh, okay, you know, like' got Joe spinoff. What is Joe Del Campo? likeike he needs to be on TV. I need to find him on like the true crime network or something like that because he like goodesser Well because I understand why he was cast on the show. You know, there's a lot of times where we get the the elder statesmen of the cast where we're like, have they ever seen Survivor? Do they care about this show? Like how did they get on for Joe? goodood in conffessional, you know, he's kind of electric when he's having these confrontations with people. N me bring back more Joe. Yeah. The one thing I remember about him from his personal life is that he has I'm not sure if he has multiple or just one Little Yorkies. He has like little tiny dogs He looks kind of like a Yorkie just by the face. I'm looking first of all, he played sururvivor at seventy one years old Yeah, which is why. He's got to be a good top five or six survivor players like his age wise, right I think that Rudy is the only other seventy year old this is crazy. L they cast Joe like it was normal. And not to say they like, you know, there's anything wrong with casting Joe, but I put a seventy one year old on this season that is riddled with infection and heat exhaustion and stuff. that're trying to kill his man. He did get medically evacuated It's not his fault Like it's not his f man is seenty years old. Like damn, you couldn't put this man in Fiji How did we How did you what twenty six days? twenty six daysine Yeah, he would have w' no rewards. Like that's perfect for Joe Yeah, like I'm very impressed by him because at seventy one, listen, he's doing way more than your boy could never. okay? But at the same time off all the tribes and all the seasons to put him on At seventy one, Ko Rong is just a wild place to be stranded on an island. Julia Soklowski comes back from EXL Island. She just comes back and does a really good job. So I was listening to the podcast from this night and it was backwards where Stehven Fishback wasn't there that night. Josh Wiggler was filling inside. I don't know who got the fishy, but I do suspect I wonder if it was Julia Sokolowski Hmm What does she really do She came back and she was good. She was she she helped win win win over Scott Tie They needed her. They need They honestly really didn't Ay. She said Aubrey she she's a big player. She's the one to watch and shey is player She was right. She was right. I don't think she could have got the I don't know if she did enough to get the u the fish I mean, she got she got two votes. She almost she was never going home. evenven she got three votes. She still wasn't going home But so yeah, maybe that is good on her, right? Like having to spend a day away from the entire tribe but then still coming back ingatiating herself And then winning the day to where You know, the brains acted like they had the numbers advantage, but now Julia and Cw really do have the numbers advantage. you know, She went from being on exile all alone to being in a dominant alliance here on this tribe. Really just because Peter played himself into a corner. And so yeah, I think if anybody has to get credit, it's definitely her.. Yeah. So she came back and she was doing a good job and one of her biggest episodes so far, Breakout at night for Julia Skolowki Still not much to speak of, but yeah, a big night for her especially being able to survive this. I think probably the underrated story here is that like or the undertold story here is that she and Tre are probably still good. So when she comes back from exile, like her Tire twoome at that point. and then they just got Jason as a three There's just It's just really weird to me this The reason why I don't want to give it to her as far as the fishy is if it's my business to give the fishie out is that she from ten years ago. Right. She fumbled Peter Baggenstas. To me, that's the question here. Like I get it. he goes and that's But that's bad for her. He wanted to work with her. He came to her as like his number one ally I did listen to his exer press and he basically said like anytime I tried to get something going, they would just go back and snitch on me anyway. But I don't think that's order of operations. Like I think Peter is downplaying the amount of schemy he was doing and how weird he was making himself look to where they had no choice but to throw him under the bus. I just think that in an ideal situation She gets Peter to come with her and tie. And Scott she at least that point she has Ty and Peter as kind of like number oneess on the tribe. Scott's kind of like a tangential number two or T' number one like add on. And then you take out Aubrey s she's a big threat here Or you take out Joe because he's next to Aubrey, you know? So ye, she got the fishy I think' by Inches. New My guy Fishback. As we were talking about this, I'm like, he gave the fishie to Scott Pollard. And Sam Moore has the receipts because on march twenty third, twenty sixteen, Stehven used to publish the fishy in his article when he was writing And he says Scott Pollard deserves the fishy. He says Scott wins the fishie for staying situationally aware. Some players withdraw a tribal under the glare of the torches and Jeff Propes dimples. but Scott Pollard Uh battle harded after his weeks on the Bron tribe performed perfectly in masterminded Peter's exit Steven Fisback is a wordsmith. He should write a book. He should write a fg I don't know if anybody knew back in co wrong days if Stehven Fisback would one day write a book, but I think you have to give this fishy article, you know, it's kind of like That's the these are seeds of what when theybe escape Yep, one day And that's why Scott Pollard wins the fishy. He If you're savvy like Scott and know how to shift the emotional dynamics of the game, you can have an outsized impact. Scott Pollard also Um was a big part of the reward challenge also, a real three point shooting contest between Scott Pollard and Nick Merano, the Mojar This is the second time we've done Brains versus Bron versus beauty with a basketball player who gets to do a basketball challenge. I remember Cliff Robinson on one knee shooting the ball, you know, trying to, you know and of course, obviously winning that challenge Yeah. so that's a thing that we do here on B Beauty Rversus P season I guess. I thought both these challenges were very opP for Scott Scott Pollard between the Bball shooting challenge and then on the Mal challenge? Yeah this might have been the introduction of that challenge and they still do this one into the new era. I think they just did it as recently as Survivor forty nine where at the end you have to stack the blocks up at the end. and this does seem to favor at all I mean, I thought Obviously Scott Poller is going to win this challenge. there was no question in my mind that they had this. And then I realized Nick Merano is not a short. He's just not a tall like Scott. You know, Scott's about about six, seven if I had to guess. but exactly Nick Nick's probably like six four six three something like that. He seem all He said he played basketball in college or something like that. So the height differential is not as bad as it could be, but yeah, This is definitely ideal, you know. I mean, the only other person I think they could have even matched up with these two guys is Darnell and he's long gone. I guess that's why they cast all three of them for this season, right? because you kind of had to balance the height. Cliff Robinson was far and away the tallest person on his season by a ton and there was nobody even close this time around Yeah, I think it it's not as bad if Darnell and Nick are still around to play basketball with Scott Poter later on I misspoke. I said this was the first time they ever did this challenge. They actually did it in Samoa was the first time they did it and this was the second time Hm, It was pre merged in Samoa. I feel like the other Liz was there. Yeah. Liz Kim was there. Yeah. See, ye, look, I remember Survivor Samoa kind of. Every time we have a Liz, notot Liz Wilcox, we didt do it before. So yeah, so then they didn't do it at all in the new era and they and they brought it out into Survivor forty nine Yeah, I don't remember this challenge in Sepvivor forty nine at all Um But Here, Yeahah, this was pretty cool. the stacking the tall stuff because you got to see, you know, the the little odd couple that we've we've we've created with Now Ty and Scott, you know, it used to be Ty and Caleb, but you know, now we see that, oh, you could just throw Ty up on Scott's shoulders and he can stand up there. we saw him climb the trees with Scott just kind of whisting them them up. And so I thought they had this But no Nick and Debbie, they all pulled it off Yeah. so there was some drama in the immunity we were talking about the reward challenge was where Scott Pollard and Peter were shooting the basketballs. But in the immunity challenge, they had to stack the blocks at the end. and that was also a very close challenge. And at one point Jeff was like These blocks are heavy in they're heart. And I'm like, yeah, right, Jeff. Okay, sure. But then one did fall on Joe Del Campo's head and he was bleeding. They finished a challenge Jeff's like Joe's bleeding in his head. I was like, okay Concussion protocol should have probably, you know, we should have probably stopped down here. They finished the challenge and J' like, Joe, go see the medic after this It would have been fine. to pause the challenge and check on Joe. This man again seventy one years old. You just knocked him upside there with a brick seeventy one What seventy one? Jeff, if you don't like these people, just say that I am nowhere near, thank God, seventy one at this point in my life And if you hit me with one of them blocks, I'm done. That's it. Snd me home. Hopefully they made the blocks not as heavy in the future. Yeah. like Savannah has been knocked upside the head. Savannah, go see medical aftern this. Or just Just take a look now. just stop right now. You just met that Caleb Yesterday. Don't you want to make sure this doesn't happen all the time. Yeah, there was a strategy issue with how to stack the blocks. It seemed like it was Peter's idea. And if you didn't watch the episode, there were a bunch of like bigger cubes and then smaller cubes you need to stack them up really, really high. And so guess Peter's idea was, okay the stack cubes and then on the smaller cubes, we'll just lift them up in the air and then put other ones underneath it. It almost worked, but it didn't It cost Joe D Campo And then and Joe was still like, okay, I don't think we got to vote out Peter. Like E Joe with a concussion. He got amnesia. Okaykay? He forgot the what the plan was. But he was right. He was right. You should not Like he was right. the k was like, whereere am I? Peter's like, I'm your best friend. We've been allies since the beginning of the game We're number one. Debbie Debbie, is that you? 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Save on the st. Oh And free waffles are yours to playa. Well, I hope you like my little song book d act at choyotailesot com Speaking of Debie, let's talk about what's going on over on the other tribe because there's some interesting stuff there and of course, more hits from Debbie. The episode starts off with Debbie talking about Nick And Debbie's playing a little bit of the flirt card. Yeah, he's got the body of a Greek god or the face of a chisel jawline or whatever she's saying. And then she's like He could model. She should know. I should model for tons of years, you know? I was like, I'm Is Nick a model at this current time, like when he goes on the show I'm not sure if Nick is ever a model I He was like attractive random guy. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if he ever did any modeling That's interesting because I think I feel like in the first brains beauty and Braonwn like The beauties were models, right? Like LJ Jeremiah, certainly. Jeremiah was my model for sure. like. And Ns like, yeah, I just I'm pretty. so, you know Yeah And they were like, Yeahah, he is that's you, youin't got to be a model to be a beauty. And he's willing to flirt with Debie Yeah, I don't think he has any shame. This is a good episode for Nick. Yeah. I love this for him. his out Yeah, because Nick Nick's rise is because he's doing good commentary on everybody else, right? Like Nick is kind of like the narrator of where he sees other people. And it's through the Nick Lens. so it's, you know, extremely biased for sure, but also laced with a little bit of arrogance. So he's like, yeah, I think Debbie has a crush on me. She could be playing me, but she probably could not do that U and then also We see Nick interacting with Michelle making this the Michelle brereakout episode as well And Michelle breakout as well and kind of dunking on Nick. Yeah spepeaking of Nick getting losing in basketball. Yeah, he gets dunked up by Michelle here because in We see Michelle interact with Debbie for the first time, which is fun. I don't really remember any interactions between Debbie and Michelle from this season, But Debbie says gives the same spiel to Michelle that she says to Sydney and she's like, oh, I like you. I want a woman to win this game. And Michelle's like, oh, she's quiry I like her And she goes to Nick and she says, Hey, I had a good talk with with with Debbie And so let's let's they don't like Jason. And The Mo jar ends up telling Michelle about the plan, which she sayss like, hey, so we're going toote out Jason and Nick says Also that was going to be so good Nick says I'm not doing that . No, no. no. No. And he basically tells Michelle like, hey this We're not we're not going with your plan Yeah, he needs to make the decisions for Michelle because she doesn't know what she's doing here. And so all he has to do is make sure she doesn't screw this up. so that they can go far in the game. as long as he has as long as Michelle is there, he's got somebody he needs to babysit because who Michelle's not a good survivor player from Nick's eyes, right? He's in control of this tribe and in control of their alliance of two. Mm And we get in this episode if we get the original Bro. I know. And then also talking about Nick when she says that Nick thinks I'm just like this helpless person who doesn't know what they're doing out here. She gives us all I don't need to be carried, bro. I don't need to be carried, bro People just had a bad read on Michelle. They thought she was like a a little puppy suckling on the teat. They thought she was she needed to be carried, but she doesn't need to be carried, bro. A bigig episode for Michelle. you know, she kind of falters in the challenge a little bit. but this is one of the few times, you know, we always talk about how sururvivor is like, o or the show kind of like has a struggle with depicting people's social game. But this episode was the Michelle's social game. It was I mess up in the challenge. Let me go see if I can make friends. And we see her working with Debbie. We see her lying to Nick, you know,, look at people with bad social games. Joe Dl Kppo cannot do this.. Peter Bagenstas cannot do this. They can't fake it Michelle can takeake it. Yeah You're right. She literally says like, okay, I need to work on my social game now after I made the mistake in the challenge and that in the was it the reward challenge that Michelle It's actually interesting. like it's Michelle versus Arey to start the challenge and to go and like dive down and pull out the buoys And Michelle struggles with getting the thing open and they fall behind in the challenge and then it's like neck and neck with Nick and Scott shooting the basketballs. But Michelle comes back in and we start to see Michelle trying to Highlight the social game here Yeah, the show finally gave it to us, you know, the what what a player should do if they're not excelling in the challenges, if they're not providing around camp. There's, you know, there are other aspects of this game. Maybe the strategy like we haven't got to see a lot of strategy from Michelle because she hasn't had to vote anybody out. And so it's like This is this is her claim to fame. her her social game. Yeah and credit to Michelle because she does not then tell Nick off like we've seen Alicia do earlier in the season. like we see Joe do in this episode go up to Peter and say like, hey Hey, listen, buddy. She can get loud too what the F. She just won't because it's not becausecause she's smart. and she doesn't want to like get voted out. You know, it's like if you were questioning if Michelle is a good survivor player, look at this episode. Look at how she reacts when she thinks her back is up against the wall. She doesn't immediately go. I mean, there is one moment where Debbie thought she was gonna go drown herself in the ocean, aside from that Michelle Michelle did what needed to be done. I'm sorry. She did. Now I thought it was a little overblown for her to be so beat up about being about because it's a reward challenge, right? It's not like They lost immunity. Oh, thus, you need to go. This was chicken salad. Yeah, was it I thought it was just tuna salad. Was there chicken salad? Was it tuna salad? Dar. It might even worse. I think this might be the worst survivor reward of all time of tuna that the Survivor Wiki calls it a sururvivor picnic complete with breads, fruits, cold cuts and beverages. But the one thing that they were really highlighting was the tuna Mind you The last challenge was for salt and pepper. Rob, you cannot tell me that tuna is a worse challenge. No more than salt and pepper. Tuna could use some salt and pepper Tuna could use of salt pepper, but you know what salt and pepper could use some damn tuna. You know, like what am I? I'm just gonna lick it off my hand. He's like what I don't want this. Yeah. askk doctor Allison, how does it go when you get some of these the mayo jar out in the sun For de God Yeah. they don't care about them and sururvivor Co wrong. Is it because Cambodo was about to film and so they were just kind of like keeping one eye on them? They were really worried about them. They were worried about the vote. Try to think of at what point were they filming this? wereere they actually working out who was going to be in the second chance vote Unmclear Well, once Liz Markham gets on the season, that makesve that put Stehven on the ballot for sure. So I know they at least were talking about it. But yeah, I just don't think they had their eye on them too much. It's like they were babysitting the kids, but the football game was on. know they were really concerned with the football game and the kids are in the back getting concussed and infected Yeah Yeah For there to be so many Metas around this season I think we have to question it. I do We have to question the amount of care that they did not put into these people because they may or may not have been negotiating contracts with Ryman Bleedzo and Chaos Cast. Yeah. had only One eye on the ball, unfortunately. All right Sh out this episode is called Play or Go homeome Who said the title, playay or go home C no Do you remember I did not remember and I see my wakey I don't remember hearing it. Who said it? The mayo jar kindind of All right. I can see that. I mean, he really was taking a strategic like he was at the strategic forefront of his tribe, even though they didn't have to vote anybody out. but it did look like he was trying to bond with Debbie, He was trying to, you know, keep Michelle in line as if she needed to be carried, bro Um So there is some stuff going on there. Yeah, he was like the social center of the tribe this time around. So yeah, big episode on the Mo Jar. Yeah. because it does seem like that Debbie and Neil were' not going to vibe with Siddney and Jason. That seems to be the underreported story. So even though Michelle could be the target as Nick is saying, it seems like that that maybe Nick is a little bit more of the swing because he's willing to throw Michelle into the buzz Right. Nick's willing to throw Michelle under the bus And then Cities probably should be willing to throw Jason under the bus. I don't think she knows she doesn to at this point Yeah, but I don't know Yeahah, but it's time. right? Like it's time. because if Debbie wants him out Syidney and Debbie kind of have a decent relationship, you know, it seems when Sdney when Debbie's joking about Michelle drowning herself in the ocean, Syney's like, Oh Dey Yeah crazy. So, you know, maybe if she go if they do lose the challenge They go to Sidne. I don't think she put up that much of a fight to keep Jason around. It's kind of weird with these two swap tribes. I feel like that we spend about seventy percent of these last two episodes on and this tribe goes to Tbal cououncil whole time, so I guess that tracks. but we really don't spend as much on the dynamics of whatever is going on on the other tribe No, no. we just kind of like highlight them. And that's another reason why Michelle is so uedited because she's not losing. So there's nothing to talk about. She's Tal counsel Yeah, you know, she's the winner, but if you do I mean, any timee you cut to her, it's going to be like, well, why are we talking about Michelle if she's not in danger and she's not losing, then why does she matter? In this episode, she actually did because she lost that that reward challenge for She thinks she lost that reward challenge for them because she didn't dive down. But had that not happened? contontent will we got from Michelle in this episode, just like, Yeahah, I'm making friends with everybody. You know, I wouldn't have given you anything. I don't think Neils had a confessional s the swap.. I think that maybe we heard from Jason one time when he talked to Nick. So we really have not been And if we go to anything, we gott to go to Debie We gott to see De gotta go to today You got to go to Debbie. Debbie is she's a coach archetype where it's like, yeah, there's stuff going on, but Coach is right there. And so I think that's that's the thing. But the the crazy thing about Neil is that he's about to go home Y I like He's next on the chopping black here And they completely just did not highlight him at all These last what two almost three episodes. There is no Nal All right, well We'll see Neil next episode when unfortunately, things are going to just hit a boiling point. Maybe he's just his infection was really holding him back I really need to watch this because I'm gonna be looking for the moment he could have gave that idol to Aper. Yeah The whole thing is so bad I know I said this was the low point for Aubrey, but next episode' pretty low too. you know, losing her number one ally. while he goes home with an idol that she could definitely she could definitely use that. and he and she knows he has it and he knows that she knows that he has it. And he's just kind of like bye.. So the fact that she's able to pull herself up from her bootstraps at this point. I mean these two episodes in a row To come back from this and to one day be the winner of Svivor fifty it's very commendable. Although Speel, I feel like that We did not see that much Neil and Opery interaction. likeike maybe we really get it hit over the head with it in the next episode Be I feel like that we other than like, okay, Lizen Peter a pair Joe and Debbie a pair and Neil and Aubrey are pair U I don't think we saw much of their relationship. Yeah, if he got metaack in this episode, I'm not expecting him to give the idol to Aubrey. But I think in the next episode, when they merge, I think that's where he tells her about the idol. They start plotting and scheming together. They end up at the bottom together. It's going to be one of them you know, that I think that's when it makes sense. Um I just rememember not hating you? And so I'm really excited to see the next episode because one eventually I think he's the funniest character on this cast, but the next episode, I think is where that starts. Yeah All right, anythingthing else from episode six Just a note this is back when people used to call people cancers. I still think that's weird. You know, it's like, Peter's a cancer on this tribe. I don have to do that I don't know why I just It's been done it multiple times this season. This season, you right, this season. peopleeople notice said it the first time Neil said it, Joe sang it. and I'm just like stop saying that. It's just not, it's not nice. But aside from that, no, this was this was again, another fun episode. I know he says a big episode for a lot of people, but we really did get rid of so many pre merged camera hogs, you know, like Like J Lanetti made that entire second episode about her. Caleb was getting so much green time. Alicia was getting so much screen time Yeah Anna Kate was the voice of the beauty girls, you know, before she got looted out. Peter Bagina' even Another big character. Now we're left with the in game people and they all had like little bits of coming out. you know, Neil had I mean not Neil Nick had a big one. Debbie's always a big character. Scott Jason have been throughout. But then yeah, the Aubrey Michelle, they've now kind of start to rise in the ranks a little bit This this last group, the merge group here I think is a solid cast. I could see in the all coming back and playing again. Do you think that this was the best episode of the season so far No Now, I think the premiere is really good Be I think when we came in, we watched the preremiere, we came in like this was good. you know? So I think the preremiere is probably this the best for me this one Really? Is it the ary that because to me, I can't let go the fact that they went into this knowing it was a tie and nobody said anything about it. I just feel like that the vote to me, I feel like that there is this was like important And like this really shapes the game with with all due respect to Darnell, like I just feel like that that vote was still like, what what? Wh? Yeah. What about the second episode with Jennifer Lanzeti? Is it too is it too colored by the Alicia bullying? And No, I just don't remember what else was going on in the episode U is at least you're getting buast getting by. At least you're getting bullied. the brains, you know, being too smart for their own good. You know, that was kind of fun. This was a good episode. I'll give you that. I just thought this was really I thought both the challenges were interesting. I thought that the stuff with Peter and Joe was really fun. Very fun. There was like some like things were changing back and forth. You couldn't believe what was happening with the vote And then Aubrey has to cross stuff out. So I think that this one to me has the most stuff I also want to issue an apology to Debbie officially One of my Instagram friends and also listeners to this podcast, I'm sure, the Jimmy G He u He said well, he sent me a video. And it's a real from Aubrey Rob Tabird and Debbie talking and apparently Debbie called Aubrey, you know, for after Survivor fifty. They seemed like they were on good terms That wasn't my takeaway for. I watched that clip also Ay was seemed a little like shocked that there was a message from Debbie. And I think that that what Debbie Debbie's talking with Teird message that she called in for was Kind of like u was not super personal No, it almost felt like a cameo. She said, you know, you know, in the show, mind you, this is Like what a couple of years ago? When was this talking te bear? I'm like was like two years ago Right. So two years ago, Debbie called in and was like, Hey, Aubrey, you remember that time Peter made fun of me for having a lot of cats? Arey's like, no, I haven't seen that season unless She like, well get this I got a lot of parerots M Ns. Yeah, like And it's interesting in the exit interview with Peter, I asked Peter back in twenty sixteen. So did you find out, didid Debbie have thirty cats or forty cats? He's like, no, get this. She has turtles. She switched it up Yeah, u You know, these people are wild. Well this is a wild cast. I think now that we've we've kind of talked it through, we've got to the merge at this point put the C wrong cast up against some other cast to see like this is this might be one of the better casts of all time. Pre prettytty strong Yeah. It's a strong one, yeah. Okay. All right, Chappe, what's coming up for you U More recap kickback. on recapkickback. com you can find me podcasting YouTube d. com such at Recap Kickback. You can see my beautiful face talking about TV shows and movies and all kinds of things. Currently, Mari and I are talking about interview with the vampire season three was technically theamp vampire Lestat, but you can check that out and by the time you hear this, House of the Dragon should be upon us as well. and I will be talking about that. Yeahah. and I got my wife's gonna to be so excited. I got this special team green cup I'm team Green I forgot about the teams Yeah, I'm team Green. 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