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We're talking Survivor episode eight of co Eing wrong and we are sad to see the Mo jar go out once again and another great episode, so much going on here with Chappelle, Chappelle how are you Man, you know, honestly Rob, I was having a pretty bad day. Like today suck so far. And then I watched this episode of Koron and I said Ionestly the day iss not as bad. you know, it really did brighten my day a little bit. It was some good TV, some questionable things happening strategy wise, but no I'm going to have a good time talking about it with you so I'm tell me about it. What was it in particular that brightened your day Um It's these characters. I think that like I know we talk about the Mo jar going out here right now, but like What else could you ask for this man? He's in full arrogant mode. He's like a villain like I like, yeah, I'm taking advantage of these weak people. They can't do anything about it. I know I'm arrogant, but look at me, I'm pretty. L he's doing his whole thing and it's like you couldn't script it better. Who better to go out in this moment than him, you know, It's like he knew It's like they told him at the beginning of the day, Hey, this is probably a boot episode. so you need to make the best of it. And He said, make the most of it. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. And he did. He really is on the lookout for a women's alliance. It seems like based off of the episode that that is his undoing. It's a real coming out party for Sydney who has just had it with Nick I don't even know if the women's Alliiances is only undoing. The man is arrogant in all his conversations with people. I mean, yes, he pisses off Sydney looking for that, but also he pisses off Aubrey at one point. Even Julia and Michelle are like, I mean, I don't really like the way he talks to me I guess watching the season the first time, it did not occur to me How many mistakes he made. I don't know if Nick is Average survivor player, like when I'm talking about like skill level, everything you say you went to one tribal council and went home No, because he did everything to get himself voted out. Rob at the challenge. Ty is like, I don't want the brains to to win immunity. and Nick, Unprovoked says yes, because all the bras are at the bottom. They're next on the top of block. Now Nick, what hell is that going to do for you How is that going to benefit you in this game to announce that all the brains are at the bottom. Just vot them out. You don't have to tell everybody about your diabological plan. Tell them. Yeah. You don't have to tell them. Why are you telling everybody all the business? And so when you get back to camp, Sydney heard you say this Michelle heard you say this in Iic. this guy's a loose candate. and he thinks he's in charge. The brains obviously don't w want to work with you anymore because you just outlined how they're all at the bottom You're talking to Aubrey like she has no clue what's going on in the game. either. I mean, to be fair, she doesn't at this point, but you a't got to talk to her like that. It just socially Nick just threw the social game out the window Yeah, I think he comes across as sort of like he is a little bit like the dad to Julia and Michelle. And when they're having their like game conversations and they go on the boat with Sydney and Ty Then there's some talk about, oh wit is there girls Alliance? He's like hold on, are you did you all do an alliance without talking to me first The height difference doesn't check doesn't help either, right? Because he's always looking down on them, right? L almost like an authoritative figure. And don't get me wrong. Michelle, Julia, they might be able to play nice with that kind of stuff Sydney not having it. Ciddney she's not having it and honestly, Aubrey's probably not having that either. We saw how Aubrey was with Peter Baggenstas. You think she's going to take that from Nick to And so yeah, he does this, but Ciddy had to call him out. Aubrey is just at the bottom and this is almost very much like Survivor fifty where Aubrey is here at the merge and nobody's talking to her. She's at the bottom, She had to get rid of idle and it's not looking too good for Aubrey. She's going to work her way back, but she's not in a position of power here to start. This is really all Sydney's move Yeah, she's at the A' so far at the bottom right now, right? They're going to split the vote on her. But then also just like emmotionally she's at the bottom too, like she's at the end of of her wits. She as the captain for the challenge and she picks an awful team for the challenge, you know, And so she's like, what I can't do anything right here at all. So she is blessed by the idea that they want to split and she's not the primary target. Yeah And for Sydney, she's in a good spot. She's with Jason and Scott and it had been sort of a quietish run so far. But I don't know whether it was just the heat or Nick something that he did and she just had' it. She's not going to take anymore from Nick. She doesn't check him Yeah. so he goes Ciddy' off having a conversation with Julia and N I think they looked like they went kayaking or something. Julia Ti blah blah. And so Jason, Scott and Nick are sitting around talking about Is there a girls Alliance? Nick's like They're not going to do without running to past me. Let me go talk to them. He goes over, talks to Julia, but Sidney watches the whole thing and because he's going to Julia to ask this question, it does look like there's mistrust with Sydney, right? Because if you thought Siddney the answers to your question. whyy not just ask her? So she's kind of like, what's going on? What's the issue? Scott and Jason are like, Oh, no, no. we weren't we weren't talking about a girl's alliance like that Nick thought there was where he just checked this schoolool. But that was enough suspicion to get Sydney looking at them because the goal here is to go down to the final seven And if they do It'll be three girls versus four guys if they do make it to the Final seven. So although they weren't thinking about a girls Allives by the end of the episode I mean, this sounds like that's what they're gonna do. Sydney spotted it. She said. I was like That what she said when she saw it and she didn't. Don't check me Boo When Nick was checking her. Don't check me, Boo. M donon'tck me Boo. You know, I don't need you checking up on me. I'm grown. If you got a question for me, you could come ask me the best person to discuss me with Is me Yeah I re listen to the Survivor Know it Alls and a lot of the conversation that night with Steven was about, was this the right move for Sydney? We know how it's going. We know where it comes down to. She's got a pretty good chance to win at the end Did you think this was a great move for Sydney Despite Stephven being high on percasette that night, you think that Yeah. Yeah, happappy hundredth anniversary to you and Steephven by the way. Thank you. Rob, have we have we done more than a hundred podcasts together I would think so I mean, we did we did like one hundred and fifty dos just about suits Oh yeah, I forgot damn I forgot it was that long before the show. Yeah. We What is our anniversary? We don't talk about that enough. You don't buy me things, No I'm joking. Yeah, so I don't think this is I think this is early. I think it is a pinch early because I don't know why you have to do this right this second. You have to imagine that Joe is not a part of any guyss alliance, right? So he's just there as a as a placeholder. this seven, Tie Julia, Michelle, Nick, Scott, Jason Sidney. That's the brain the Braon and the beauties If you wait, just one round, right? takeake out Debbie here. You got Aubrey. She not going to go run to the to the b, you know, to the to the boys anytime soon if Syidney is, you know, offering to save her. Obviously Michelle and and Julia can be swayed to vote out Nick So why not just wait one more round, takeake out Debbie here, take out then take out Nick And then at that point is you and the girls have the upper hand on Scott and Jason by so much that what are they really going to do? I mean, like T Scott and Jason can't outnumber you, Julia, Michelle and Aubrey and T, you know, So I just like one extra bootat is probably ideBal. It's going to be good for Siddney ultimately, but I think that as you look at it down the stretch. I feel like that there's a point when if Joe Del Campo doesn't get Medivac I don't think that Sydney is there at the final four or it seem like that Joe and Ty and Aubrey are going to the final three, not Sydney where it feels like that Sdney And I was feeling it that night of that like, but she was with Scott and Jason. and Michelle even said Scott and Jason canan't win. So wasn't that her best move to stick with them Well, you know This episode was also the redemption of those two people as far as like socially, right? We had to paint them as threats because you know, Michelle last episode said they're not threats. But in this episode, we found out about Scotts his mom, I think who has a degenerative illness and saw we found out about Jason's daughter who has autism and how much they need the money. So the sympathetic story is there. Simney says, hell, even I'd give them the money. So I don't know if they necessarily can count them out based on what the show is showing us. but I definitely think that just like if you wait it just a little bit longer, you really do limit the amount of options they have If you took out Debbie here, I mean, you know, you can you weaken the perceived girls alliance. But I think that allows you to be like, all right, now we can get Nick and nobody will be mad about it. you know? So ye. I also think when you talk about these people, like you have to let them be them. Sydney is not a passenger She was never going to just go for the ride with Scott and Jason. Right. And they are fully expecting her to go to the ride to seven. and I'm thinking that they think, well we have Ty as well, right? So even at seven, if it at worst it's Scott, Jason, Syidney and Ty and then she's the one on the the odd side out of that. Now I don't know if she's realized that yet But she knows she needs to be at least taking out Nick because he seems like he's firmly aligned with them as well. Yeah. It just seemed like that part of her motivation, the only thing we saw about her wanting to flip on these guys where she's been sort of like rock solid with them since Jump was that we see Jason telling that story about his daughter and how the money would be very meaningful for his family. And she says the thing that you mentioned of that she would give him the money also and maybe she's feeling like, hey Well, maybe I need to start going out on my own Yeah I think between that and Nick just putting a big old target on his back you know, it was so it was so easy to do. I think it's probably harder to get Jason Well, I think it would be harder to get Jason out here. but some reason Ty voted for Jason and For the life of me, Rob I don't know what that was. I don't know how this happened. Yeah It's one of those things where you kind of like wait, what happened? And then you see the votes at the end and you see that Ty voted for Jason. And so I did listen to the exit interview today with Nick and Nick gave some clarity on that where There was a some talk, I guess, of that the plan prior to it being vote out Nick was that I guess there was some momentum of getting votes together from the brains to vote out Jason. And I guess somebody told Ti That's what the plan was. And then I guess nobody back and told Ti, Hey, that's not what the plan is What? How does this through it today? I mean we see him in the immunity challenge and it was a fun immunity challenge. We can talk about it in greater detail, but he seemed like he really spent himself to win immunity in this episode And then he goes to tribal council He ends up spilling the tea about the suuper idol Not everybody knew about that. He kind of unprompted just reveals about how the idols, there's a super idol and you could use two of them and put it together. And even Jeff is like, well, I think look at Julia's reaction. I don't think she knew about that. He's like, o, well, people talk you know, maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure. and then he gets to vote for Jason who is one of his allies This this is just crazy to me. This doesn't make any sense to me at all. because if you if you had the moment to get out Jason, why didn't y'all just vot out Jason? What did Nick do that was so damn bad that like all of a sudden Jason? is more attractive to keep around, you know. they have the votes. I would wonder. maybe if they had okay, so the votes to take out Jason whereere the big before along with it? I don't I don't know. the three the how many brains are there three left Three brains ent time tie. That's four And we have what eleven Yeah. Jason Scott and Sidney would be the three Braon and then Julia, Michelle and Nick would be the three I guess we have ten view was five and five at the challenge So Yeah, I don't think Sydney was going to go with that. So you don't need her. You only need Debbie Joe Aubrey andi Debbie Joe Aubrey because they're splitting the vote. That's true on Aubrey and Debbie And T knows that well This Tie not? We want to T notose and what he doesn't know Yeah, you know, I thought Ty was pretty good with Scott. you know, I thought that was a thing. So for Ty to be willing to even betray Scott here to vote out Scott's number one ally, it is fascinating. and we never see Scott T's point of view on the vote at all. We don't really hear from Ty strategically until we get to the tribal council and he just completely tells everybody unprovoked that there's a super idol out there. He says it like, Yeah, well, you know, we've heard that there's a super idol in the game What did you hear that from Ty? But you know, I thought everybody told you everybody knew what Julie doesnt know. Well, I thought she did. but maybe they're lying to me. Maybe they made that up. Maybe that's not a thing. Ty, what? it reminded me of those early seasons survival, mayaybe like season one where they're like, we heard a rumor that the other tribe has like Who is starting these rumors? Yeah What do you whoo is we? We heard it from who We heard there was a super idol. likeike did somebody whisper it? Did production huge if true Right, right Eactly. Where did this news come from? Yeah So yeah, I don't I'm not quite sure what the hell is happening here. Yeah. And neither's Ty No,'s he's lost as well. You wonder why Ty really doesn't stand a chance at the end of the game. This is the start of, you know, the deficits, right? because Ty seems like a social enough player to where if you get to the end, he could have a sympathetic story, he could, you know, he's very liable. I mean, the guy loves everybody. Yeah. You would think this person would be really hard to beat in the fininal tribal council. It turns out It's not that hard You know, there's really two ties that we see on Survivor. We see the Thi who is lovable, resourceful, He's climbing trees, he's finding idols. He knows what plants to eat, He takes care of the chicken. There is there is that version of Thai Then there's a version of Thi that's very confused doesn't know where he is, doesn't know what's going on. might be crying at some point. And I think this is the first time we see that version of Ti third version of Took as well because he's going to break bad soon. somehow And somehow the people that he well the person that he just voted out, Jason, is going to win Ty over to the point where I think Ty is the one who puts out the fire one time on the everybody else. He's got a Yeah Evil Tie is on the horizon Rob. So there's so many layers to this man It's starting to be more confused about how he didn't get the call for fifty. 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When he goes in my tum tub, M theater' is july tenth, Rated PG parental guidance suggested. Let's talk about somebody who did win Survivor very recently and that was Aubrey. And here she is in this episode trying to come all the way back from after Neil getting voted out. How do you think Aubrey is doing right now But she's running around like Cchrane's Dream girl in this episode, you know. What did she mean by I don't really know He looks like his type is more like, you know paranoid, cry, you know, very sad, weepy,, little stressed out You know, mayaybe that's what Cochrane's putting on his dating profile, you know, thoseose are the things that he's into. Yeah. I forget if it's this season or in game changers that they have Cochrane in the audience and then they ask Aubrey about Cochran is right here Is it this season? I feel like it should be this season, right? Like I feel like it should be this one. Now don't get me wrong. Cochran literally came ono Game changers as a part of the show. We didn't even get we didn't even get to see them link up. We missed that opportunity then. I know they're really good friends in real life, but you know, if you're Cchrane now You know, or at this present time when the show was being aired, I wonder how that feels to just get name dropped like that out of nowhere. He's like, What was I doing? I wouldn't bother nobody. And you know Cochran. He he's not like a hermit. So he was like in his house in the dark eating pizza rolls all day watching Survivor and heard Aubrey say mention his type Eactive. I'm sure he did. Yeah I'm sure he like thatad about like Yeah, Arbrey, I can see that because he' been going for something like that. Yeah. So Aubrey is working here, trying to not be the person to get voted out. I think that there's some doubt. We talked about that Neil did a favor for Aubrey. He gave her the stuff that maybe people think she could have an idol. It's enough to cause a vote split Do we owe Neil an apology? No becauseuse you could have gave her the idol. Look at that, Neil. You could have just gave him for the idol. You could have just gave for the idol. What if he stuff in his pocket as the souvenir Yeah, why didn't you keep that stuff and give Aubrey dol That would be nice especially because after this episode People know about the Super idol It would be so easy for Aubrey to go over to Tie and be like, Hey Let' let's talk. But she can't have that conversation. He can only have that conversation with the Legion of Doom on the other side. And so yeah, had Neil left this, Aubrey might have a little bit more runway to work with. And she is we see her talking to Nick at one point and Nick is Not necessarily giving Arey too much hope. No, well, he tells her like it's Debie. You toot for Debb U But he says it in the most condescending way. He's like, you know, I know I sound arrogant. She says you do. He's like, yeah, but I'm not going to stop. And then he's telling us and conffessional like, Look, there's nothing she can do about it. I sent her weakness and I'm going to take advantage of I'm going explit I was like You sound awful. though I just Like I get it. You're in character, hopefully. like Why if you re watch this back? I know Rob, you you've like famously waited on letting your kids watch your season of Survivor. Not that they would love it. I know they heard your some of your hotter takes sometimes and they're not a fan. But Nick, one day, his family is going to watch this too. And I mean, his immediate family already has, but you know Fully he's able to tell them l I was playing this up. This isn't really how I interact with humans It's the type of thing where they do really bury you in your boot episode where that when you go home, they really highlight all of your faults. And if you say anything that's even borderline, they're gonna to put it in the boot episode is the goal to lean all the way in Or is the goal to be super cagey and just get no screen time?. Like what's the what's the state? becausecause you had the screen time, sorry. you leaned in. You were like I'm throwing all I'm throwing the balls at the wall. I'm just going to see what sticks. You didn't really care what you were talking about making up stuff about the vagina Mologge. You don didn't know what you're talking about. but like it worked for you. But the downfall could have been swift and painful So I think there's a little bit of a difference of I was just saying crazy stuff. It wasn't necessarily about, you know, the game or about any player in particular. I think that's fine. I think you want to give the editors things to put into the show I really think it's it's your mileage may vary. likeike would you would you rather be purple and be nothing or would you rather be seen and hated? I think seen and hated is the move. because even if it's like listen, not hated for doing dastardly things notot to evoke the name of Russell Hants too much, but you know, Russell Hants, the reason why he's such a divisive character is because he did talk to the camera so much. If Russell didn't say all the stuff that he was doing, I don't think it's easy's easy to get behind him because he's He's narrating the season. Yeah, it sounds awful when he's saying, it make no mistake, But you hear him hyping himself up. And so for the Russell fans. they're like lookook at him. He's so great. He's calling his shots. He's saying he's doing all these things and for the Russell detractors I like and then he loses. you know? And so it kind of serves both purposes where he gets that big edit, but also that downfall is sweet as well. And you could get redeemed. There's like other maybe appearances you could make out of this. I think it is better to be seen and be hated as opposed to be nothing. Like there's nohere else to go once you're nothing Right. The upside of this, if Nick does go on to win this season, he's Brian Heidedk, you know and it's a good get know for Yeah, but like whether you love Brian Heidedck or not for a long time, you know, if you've been in these streets Yeah some some somebody but I'm sure Right. But for a long time, people talked about him like he was like the top three or five winner, right? Like you have to really look at his game and like This guy' doing some weird stuff and he he almost loses to, you know, it's really close, right? I'm just saying. And so u To that point, because he gased himself up so much did make a lot of the stuff he look like he was doing like a lot more impressive. And so I think there is something there where you got to be your own biggest cheerleader. You got to do it. You got if you can. you can All right Let's say what some these challenges in this episode. This is another good challenge episode. The challenges are just so different from what we're used to in the new era. I don't want to sound too much like a broken record, but we have a reward challenge and it's the challenge where we have We don't do this for whatever reason in the newew era. Maybe it's too much touching at the end for the new era where that there are these platforms and you have to move the platform and somebody has to go across it It was A schoolyard pick and one of the rare times when the schoolyard pick actually matters, you brought it up that Aubrey was one of the captains. She goes up against Julia. This was a bad draft for Aubrey She did not draft a good team. She do do they draft before they know what the challenge is? or did they hear the challenge in looking at what the challenge is. didid Aubrey draft her friends here? Is that the explanation for? So the winning tribe is the winning team is Scott Julie, Debbie Nick and Ty So Aubrey ends up drafting, we don't know what order. U Michelle. Sydney Joe I Jason And hererself Is that five? Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, that's five. So no, she did not choose her friends. Aby doesn't have any friends in this tribe. rightight Currently, we are being told that the brains are so far at the bottom. They her only friends are her alliance. Debbie Joe, Aubrey. She chooses Joe, but I mean, Debbie's on the other team Yeah. I wonder and they said Jeff commented that Julia picked the two strongest guys and then the two smallest people. I don't know if that was necessarily the ticket. I think it did help at the very end that Ty was able to like climb on Scott's back But if I had to guess how the draft went, I think Julia had the first pick. And I'm not sure if it was a snake draft. probablyrobably not. I think Julia went Scott one and Aubrey went Jason two which is crazy. I think Okay, hereere's why I asked if u if they hadd already known kind of what the challenge was before they drafted it because Iree is a fan. I don't know how big of a fan she is at this point I don't know it's like superuper fan or whatever. But we've seen this challenge before. This is the this is Micronesia, right? Yeah. I pictured James Clement carrying Eliza or Parvety, you know, on the stick by himself. Remember they they used to try to like get them to walk across, but they just broke the challenge, right? And so at the very least, you know, you need a super strong man. if you're going to do something like that. they don't actually try to do that here. I don't know if they were told like hey, you have to walk across the platforms because we I don't think we've ever seen anybody actually win the challenge in this way. It's always been. getet up on top, hold on really tight and then just let the strong people carry you across. So when you see it, my first thought is James Clement, you need somebody strong and to me, Nick and allowing Nick and Scott to be on the same team is a mistake That's the only way I could see how this happened. And I think Aubrey probably picks Sydney fourth where Julia takes Nick three if I had to guess how the draft Exactly Yeah. she chose Nick over Scott over Jason and I think I think I'm sorry. she chose Jason over Nick and I think you're right. I think that might be the game changing mistake, but I think also you're probably looking at it like is Nick that much stronger than Jason I think height wise, yeah, obviously he has an advantage there, but maybe she was thinking like it's a coin toss between the two of them in actual physical strength. Scott is the cheat code here for sure. Scott is the cheat code and Julia is able to do a good job of walking across. And then the reward was ice cream And was this they're playing in Neil's face I have so much to say about this. First of all, yeah, this is definitely a shot to Neil. They hate this man. I I'm convinced because why would you like you brought an ice cream? I bet it wasn't even Three Three sons, two twins. Yeah. Three twins? Yeah, I bet it wasn't even three twins And then Rob I don't I don't eat ice cream. okay? That's not my that's not my jam. I'm not a big, you know, it's not for me. But Let's imagine that in a thousand degree weather Dairy Is that what we're doing It's al right Odd sururvivor reward. I can't ever remember another time where there was a ice cream parlor Of hey, root beer floats, Sundays I maybe I'm sure it probably happened another time But this is an unusual survivor reward for sure. I really want to know How many times this has come up because like you said, it is unusual. O U O world, O world they had a ice cream Sunday and floats reward apparently. Not that that is a good season to point to, but it happens and it's weird, especially in this season where people have been dying Kim from just like You know, heat exhaustion it just to me, there's got to be a better way. Even if you gave them popsicles, at least they're just cold in water and juice. You know, this is Dairy It doesn't make any sense to me. Also like I said, I don't eat ice cream, so I would just be sitting there lost. There would be no point in me even doing this. Yeah So I thought it was interesting though. Anything that's different than what we have now. I'm like, Ohh wow, that's good. I like that I like you could do different without potentially killing these people. Right Be I just don't think having ice cream and milk on your stomach in the heat is ideal. But I could be wrong.'m not It't seem like anybody had an issue. I mean, we're going to see somebody end up having to leave the game because of an issue at a reward, but everybody seemed like they're okay here Maybe this was the beginning of the end. or like Joe didn't go to the reward Maybe we didn't go jou aard He was a final destination he would comeing back around for him. You should have been. Yeah, he was coming back around for it. He dodged the heat he stroke and in the Caleb episode, right? He dodged the ice cream here But it's coming. He's coming. Okay, and then we have our immunity challenge. and then it's the immunity challenge where the players are you know, holding their hands behind their head, the you know, famous Christian challenge. And we get this in Survivor San Juan El Sir famously where Jeff is going to bring out a bunch of rewards It's interesting this one Jeff did something that I can't really ever recall He brought out all the food. And he said, this is it. This is the food If you want it, you have to jump off right now. We're not doing it later. I'm not spreading it out. like I'm not going to keep coming back out with like, oh, here's a pizza. It's all here right now if you want it Did you like this It was efficient. I feel like that he doesn't like it. and I'm trying to go back to like in where we are in time wise. I don't remember if they had that challenge in Worlds Apart I think in Svive, even though it is great in San Juan deel Sir, I feel that maybe he doesn't necessarily like being like, what do you have What are the specials? because get me u some Hmm. Do you have any Boba tea?ight think he was like I think he just slept like here it is. I'm not making nine trips. This is it Yeah, you're right. I think is that San Juel Sir where Natalie's like, Ohh yeah,, here's I one fried chicken and I want this and I want that and d I got to go get them I got I guys I got to go get the stuff. You know, the kitchen staff is like, hey, we're not we're not doing that. Jeff's definitely it'sot. It's hot outs out, Rob. I think that you do it like this and then they know that there's nothing else to wait out for. likeike win the challenge or sit out, but you don't get to stick around and me have to come out God And maybe it's just too hard for them to even think it's going to go that long. I mean, this challenge goes about fifty minutes, I'd say Yeah. And it does get a lot of people to drop. We end up where we have the moment that you mentioned with Nick, but it ends ultimately with Ty versus Sydney and Sydney is locked the F in She's not dropping She's not moving, she's not dropping. It's not even bothering her At least it looks that way, but Ty is he's so he's such a fun character, right? He's talking about how, you know, he's been through harder stuff than this. He can he can handle this, but he's also Chatty too, you know, I think the chatty people are always this' a sign of like, it's a sign of weakness for sure in these immunity challenges because it's like you need the other person to kind of lose focus. Your focus is clearly, you're not locked in, right? So you're trying to talk you're trying to talk your way out of thinking about the pain. Christian Ubki famously just talks for a billion years and but Alec was over there just stoic and quiet, right? But I think the talking really starts to get into your head and it's just like it it takes you out of that happy place that you go to. And so although Syidney wasn't writhing around when she did start to move Ty was right there the be. I see you moving. I see' getting into you. And I think that was just a little bit of doubt that she needed to creep in. My favorite thing was that Ty ends up praying to Buddha He did. Yeahah.ust started praying. I love when people pray on Survivor. It's always entertaining to me. becausecause he's saying, I just need to get through one second at a time J if I can take this one second at a time, then it's like accomplishment over accomplishment over an accomplishment. And it was just enough for him to do his little prayers each time and they get them through and it worked, you know, Sydney goes down, Ty goes down and they basically just like lay on top of each other until they can gather themselves. 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It was such an interesting vote that ends up coming up and it was one of these like interestnting vote totals where this ends up being what sixix to two to one to one here of six votes for Nick To votes for Aubrey from Jason and Scott U One vote for Debbie from Nick and one vote for Jason from Ty Yeah, those three guys that they thought were in an alliance that were checking up on the girls Alliance, Nick, Jason and Scott, they all follow through with the split vote between Aubrey and Debbie. All the women and Joe decided, hey, we're voting out Nick here and tie for some Reason Bothotes for Jason and I still T years later, do not know why. Yeah, I don't know if Ty knows why. I think it's going to come up at the start of the next episode. I'm sure with the guys will get an explanation And maybe that's why Tie is going to go full dark Tie, right? I think maybe they go to Tie and they like they didn't tell you either. It's like, you know what you're right. They didn't tell me either What is that about? Not not even quite sure. I guess they thought he was probably too close to Scott. you know, mayaybe that's what they're thinking, like he'll blow up the spot here But I still think that if you let Debbie go here, You can get a lot more buy in on voting out Nick the next round You don't have to lie all these people Yeah, I'm trying to remember. what happens next? Do we lose Scott or Debbie? Do you remember This feels like Debbie is it feels like her time. Yeah, this feels like Debbie is on the way out. I'm not quite sure why I feel liket because I think Scott and Jason make it a little bit farther, right with the super idol of it all before because that's a big moment in the game where and I think Debbie's not present for that. Okay. I'm interested to see how it plays out. Was there anything else from this episode that caught your attention H. Um Yeah, we haven't talked about the winner of the season almost at all. Yeah. What's Michelle up to? You know, Michelle, we get to see her perspective.'s kind of like the swing vote here on this one where Michelle, we know that she has a good relationship with the with the women, obviously with Julia. but She's had an up and down road with Nick. She tells us that she doesn't necessarily want to vote Nick out. Yeah, he's annoying. I forgget exactly what word she says to describe him, but she feels like that she could still keep him around for longer. She didn't necessarily love the idea of getting rid of Nick Then why did she do it? I think she felt like there was more to gain than by losing him. You know, Sydney is taking out Nick here because Nick is not one of s these numbers right? Sidney can always go back to Jason. And to Scott and be like, it wasn't you,? So at least you know, I wasn't going to target you. You know I hate him. He can go U It seems like Michelle's alliance is okay with Nick going. So why wouldn't she be? you know? I mean Julia is going to vote for Nick. That's probably Michelle's closest ally aside from Nick. I just don't know why, you know, from like Honestly Michelle's superpower is her social game, and it doesn't seem like it's working on Nick. It seems like Nicka thinks he's just dragging her to the end. And so she's like, yeah, this guy's not really respecting me as a player. It's not like he loves me so much. he's gonna take me to the end and we're gonna have like a hand in hand victory She could tell he's looking at her like a poand. so I imagine it's time for him to go just from her point of view. Nick misjudges Michelle quite a bit. in the exit interview, it comes up that he mentions that one of the reasons why he really wanted to keep Michelle around. He said again, according to Nick that Michelle was going to be the first person voted out of the Beauty tribe. He said that she was on the outs, she was gonna to be voted out. He really vouched for her. And the reason why he did that was that he had seen her audition video on YouTube prior to them playing on the season And he said that he fundamentally mischaracterized who Michelle was. And I think that he felt like that Michelle based off of what he got from the audition video was somebody that he could lead around like that This crazy. does this happen often where people see your audition video before you go on the show? It seems so random. I don't know. like Michelle is not like a super duper fan that I would imagine that they she was trying to get sururvivor casting to see her video for quite some time. So I don't know if he was just Googling surv Survivor audition videos and hers was unlisted O what? Hmm, I wonder if we could find that. You know, it's funny that you mentioned that. I pick on Neil a lot for his ridiculous speech that he gives Michelle, but I think someone in the comment said that that speech was kind of like a callback to Michelle's audition video as well U So I don't know if she said and that she was a bad bitch uh in the audition video, but This is the second time I've heard somebody mention it, so maybe it is a thing. Well, I wonder if it was a thing that Nick saw and then while Nick was at Ponderosa with Neil with a lot of time on their hands that Nick relayed to Neil that that was something she said in her video and that Neil was working on it So I have Googled Michelle Fitzgerald Audition video and she has both of them her first and second audition video on YouTube currently. Now I cannot right now skim it to see if she calls herself a bad bitch or a puppy suckling on the teet. but She looks like she's in a bikini in the snow in the first one and then she's on the beach in the second one. So yeah, I'm going to check these out for next episode to see if there's a If there's a mention or something like that Or you know, just trying to get a feel for what the hell Nick and Neil had going on. Yeah. Well I think that Nick is probably annoyed that Michelle betrayed him after he felt like he was looking out for her. I think that Neil was probably not a fan of hers either Right But I'm trying to figure out why the audition tape, I guess is coming up so much, right? Like when Nickac mischaracterizing her, what did she do in the tape that made him feel like She was going to be easy to beat. That's kind of what I want to see. Maybe or maybe felt like that she didn't know the game particularly well and that he was going to be able to drag her to the end There are a lot of audition tapes on here from Co Rong. Jennifer Lanzetti, Jodell Campo, Liz Markham, Aubrey Brckco, both of Michelle's, Nick Mirano, I think he has two and Anna Kate, now private Now private. Yeah. now private donon't know why. You can't see that one I can't imagine what was said. I mean, I really can't imagine what was said I would love tove was didn't fit her brand now. It's probably too Yeah, too inclusive, you know? you know things have changed now. Yeah, I think I'm going to go back and watch all of these. you know, it's not that many of them. Yeah. I mean, a lot for one season though. I was I'm very impressed that they were able to find these. We should try to watch the Ponderosa videos also Are they still available? you know they I'm not sure hide ponderosa from us. Damnit. this is All your fault Omer Oh we can't have nothing nice Let me see, Survivor come wrong. But there's be so many secret scenes also Um And now we are clamoring for scraps here, Okay? Yeah I'm going try to do some suppary supplementary research on here because I do see the vote out videos. Sydney, Scott, Julia, Debbie So yeah, there are a few on here. I think we can find them and maybe we can get some more information about what was going on. Oh it looks like a U I was going to say, I thought that was a fight, but that's a different Alicia from Survivor. But yeah, there's a few secret scenes on here a day after for Siddney. Definitely something I'll look into before we talk again. Yeah. This was an era where there was for if you're a new listener that on the Survivor wiki they have the unnaired conffessionals, which were basically like They would drop like fifteen secret scenes. It was almost like they would drop like almost the whole confessional. for the players when they had like a really long answer in their interview questions. And I think they stopped doing that around the edge of extinction when there was like a point where I think that they got Kelly Wentworth with a Frankenbite where they had her saying something like negative about Rick Devans. and then she went and got the clip.'s like, I didn't say that. Look, here's my interview And I think that that pissed them off that they're like, you know what? stop doing that. We're not we're not giving out the full clip anymore For forget it. S called out under Is. The guy called out And they said, No, we're not doing that But really there's so many secret scenes that were Everybody's talking Uh, yeah We got to watch all of this. We have to we have to do the deep dive into the back the back lot of the Koran I kind of like u like the lost footage, I guess.. One thing I will say about Michelle before we wrap up is that Jeff calls it out. He says Michelle, you played sururvivor the most optimal way so far, notot going to tribal custil for twenty two days. And I thought U she almost made it to the end of the new era without ever see a tribal council and that's just weird Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, twenty two days. No tribal. And so we got to see we got to see how things work out when You know, you get a lucky draw sometimes.. Yeahep Debbie had a confessional called Weak and Arogant. Debbie finds Jason and Scott's decision to step down for food obnoxious and has lost respect for them. She lauded Syidney's competitive spirit and recalls in the Digot challenge where both women faced heat exhaustion Hurnting are practically the same Oh, yeah, yeah. Debbie in her voting professional T Nick says sometimes arrogance is a weakness And I thought, Deb S say it again get slower just sometimes arrogance is a weakness. I just like I just want to just make sure we know the who this who this, you know, statement is coming from. This is Debbie we're talking about Okay All right, so we're gonna to come back. episode nine is coming up. Ooh, what is episode nine called? Episode nine is called U, you know, now that that it's that I know the number, I do remember who gets voted out next. Oh yeah, you psychological warfare It' psychological work of it. That sounds like a deebbie quote, as will Yeah And also I remember that this episode is I remember at the episode nine it's because that we did the live know it Alls next week Oh, okay, so yeah, so you have a fond memory of this episode. Yes, I do. The ones that were the live shows for whatever reason that they really stick out of my brain. This was from april sixth, twenty sixteen Johns first of people d I was happily watching this show as a wee lad and now I'm an old M. Yes. withith the final nine also, we are going into three beauty, three brains, three brawn left Uh, that should make things interesting, right? I think that's why the end game of Koan is so entertaining because it's not there's no Ponging to be found, right? Like it's it gets very voting voting blocky throughout So yeah, I will I can't wait to see. And they hadn't seen the voting blocks, right? because they were they were not't seen. hadn't watched Yeah, so they invented it, not Steven and Crew. And three brain, three Beauty, three brawn. also same exact situation in Survivor Kagyan we mentioned that it felt like the pretty people and the jacks were getting together and they were leaving the misfits out, but the misfits always come back to win the day. She's obviously wrong here, but Rob, is there room for a misfit tribe? Because in Big Brother, you get the offbeat tribe and what was that? Big Brother fourteen eleven eleven. Yeah. Do we do this again in the new era? It's the open era Yeah but we bring tri we spice it up. Four tribes. Yes. Four tribes. Are we doing twenty four people again? was it four tribes of five Ohahrainversiversus Brawn versus offbeat. What's their rege of brains and offat? Do they have a brains and offbeat? Yeah, I don't know. and then I don't think that Yeah, Offed don't really work with the alliteration either. Yeah. I don't think that it wasn't brains versusauty versus Braon. The Big Brother Eleven clicks, it was like The jocs are the like the hot people It was the job off The popular people, the offbeat and the brains. the brains. The nerds Yeah But the reason why I bring that up is because I do think this is the best version of Brains versus Beauty and Brawn. It's when they're all on the same beach. Yes, it's fun when they're on separate beaches talking about their strengths, but in this episode, we saw what you know, their perspective, right? Even last episode, when Scot's Jason's talking about pushing people in lockers and stuff like that, like all the good metaphors come out when the people are together. When they're apart, it's not as cool. But now you see the high school dynamics coming out to play a little bit and yeah, I think they did a good job of creating a narrative around that and And I think they could do that again if they added just add one more click to the. Has anybody ever said sururvivors like a high school? Has anybody ever talked about that Is it like a high school road? I think people have talked about it a lot I think in some ways that it can be like a high school. Okay, Rob, tell us why a survivor like a high school? I mean, this is well. There's the there's the popular people. You want to sit at their table, There's the there's the people that are the ostracized, don't talk to them. they're not fitting in I mean, look at Aubrey in this past season Yeah, but how does somebody who's not fitting in win the game that they win the respect of the cool people. And sometimes the cool people, they get metavac and get swap screwed. And. It's like, hey, guess what Well is the person who we didn't give a chance to. They're not halfath