Mental Game and Closing Thoughts

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I've been keeping myself very, very busy. and before we even got on, I kind of told you like I haven't really thought about survivor. since the finale, which is so crazy to say because the last time we spoke I was crying to you talking about how I don't know how I'll go back to regular life because the last Two years of my life has been all consumed from survivor I'm super, super happy. everythingverything's going great. And honestly, like I wasn't not to say I wasn't excited, but now my juices is flowing. I'm talking about Survivor again. I'm like, holy shit, I'm ready to dive right in. All right, let let's dive in and do you want to talk anything about your feelings going into Survivor fifty because you this nine day layoff, I think it's the shortest amount of time for you in Savannah to come back and play again after your experience in Survivor forty nine and you're coming in and you're being thrown into this, you know, massive season with all these legends what was going through your head? Yeah, no, Rob. It's so interesting because I remember going into forty nine in the whole casting process of forty nine they never as in production, every was like, all right, we're bring you back for fifty. I obviously had no idea. So forty nine to me was, I'm just going to play this and live out my dream And as forty nine was going on and Jeff was kind of like, all right, like you're kind of playing for fifty I never had that in the back of my head, but I was thinking to myself like, holy shit, like I might really win forty nine and maybe get asked back for fifty. And then when Jeff asked me back, it was a surreal amount of emotions because It's like, oh my God, I deserve to be here over so many people that probably aren't going to get cast. I was super, super excited but also felt like I had something to uphold because the reality is survivor, you You play a great game once, but you really make your mark on sururvivor the more you play. So I really wanted to go into fifty, especially a season like fifty thinking like I'm here to cement my legacy and you see me talk about it all the time on season fifty. So in the nine days of preparation, I was doing To be honest, what, you know, everybody, I'm sure was doing was I was trying to figure out who I was playing against brrushing up on the tape in terms of like what people did, who'se people's relationships with I was trying to eat a whole bunch because I lost twenty two pounds on Survivor forty nine And then just spend time with my family because obviously I'm going to be shipped back to Fiji for another six weeks and not see them.. I probably should have, you know, practiced puzzles a little bit or maybe some fire, but You know ultimately coming into season fifty as a fan that I was, I didn't really think fire was going to be there. But I also didn't know if I was going to even make it that far. So why I put all my resources to that? So And honestly, with all due respect to Jeff's thoughts on the matter, you could have been practicing fire for ten years. You weren't going to be Jonathan. That exactly what I think. every day of your life. I have I could have a lighter and I don't think I was beating Yeah You said you brushed up on the tape. Did anything you saw on tape help you in the game? or is that a hindrance No, honestly, I think the only thing that really did help me was just kind of figuring out who had personal relationships not on the show, right? So like knowing that Ozzie and Mike White were connected and knowing all these other things that playing in other seasons, kind of just mostly going through like online and seeing who's gone to charities and meeting greets and stuff like that. That truly did really help. Tell me about your early game at the Vatu tribe where this was a group where somehow you escappe the car wreck, but that so many other people who look like they were set up so well just all sorts of bad luck ends up taking them out of the game between Colby and Genevieve and Q and Kyle. You really end up being you and Aubrey actually are two people who walk away from this thing, but doesn't look that way in the beginning. Yeah, you know, I would say was a pretty rough start for the R yacht. I probably started off a little high on sugar like a kid out of the candy store. I'm seeingoly, I'm seeing Stephie. I mean you see me the first challenge, like goo Kyle, go Colby. And literally as soon as we hit the beach, I'm getting to know everybody not as Rizzo the human, but as Rizzo the suuper fan. So I'm asking Colby ol be like, whyy' you take Tina to the end and lose a million dollars Stephanie, how' you feel coming back from Pala to Guatemala being a hero to a billain? I'm asking Q about does he really like all these people from forty six or like do they hate each other? And they're all well, I guess Q wasn't there, but you know so forth and so forth And everybody was just super, super annoyed with me because I wasn't really helpeling around camp, building a shelter, which mind you, Buing a shelter a week ago on another season. So I don't want to do that again. I mean they all, you know kind of on the wrong foot with me. So I started off really bad. I think Hadvk two lost tri like gone to trial counsel first. I probably was the first who And you know, I think my game was a little bit sloppy because I think the first three people I go to was Genevieve Kyle and Colby and I kind of hit them with the, you know, guys like you're my ride or die you're my ride or die. And I don't really know if they connected the dots, but They were kind of like, Damn Rizo doesn't really know mean he's saying that right off the rip I think what really changed everything was A the Kyle Metavac, but Before the Kyle Metaact even happened, I was kind of in pockets of alliances. What happened in Vog two was very early on. There was a lot of duos. We had Coly and Stephanie based on their prior history. We had Kyle and Genevieve, which could have been their seasons being very close or the fact that they were lawyers. And then Angeline and Aubrey were very close for whatever the reason was. So it was kind of just me by myself in a group of three duos and then Q was obviously on exile. So I was trying to figure out where I could best find myself and I feel like I really was able to bond with Kyle and Genevieve just because we were kind of like the strategists of the group. We don't see that, but I was kind of in that trio. Th then Q comes along into exile or from exile And we kind of were in a new era packed. I don't know where Q heard this or maybe this was one of Q's ies but you felt like it was going to be a new school versus old school kind of thing us four new era people and Q, Genevieve Kol and I were together. And then obviously Stephanie Kyle Genevieves and Colby were together. And once Kyle got Mivac, they needed someone to replace Kyle. and I kind of just fit into the fold. And I think Colby was very endeared to me very early on. Obviously, I got to know Colby on a personal level. and whether we were talking around campfire or sleeping together literally on the beach, me and my boat and him on the side of the boat. me and Cololdy, obviously, as we've seen over, you know, the whole season, kind of have that father son relationship And I was kind of teaching Coldy how to play the new era while while Coldy was kind of teaching me his old school connections. So it was very Well for me. It really worked out. And like you said, I think I had a lot of string of luck At the same time, I had a lot of good social awareness to know where I fit And if we lost after Kyle got metaac, I think Aubrey, If not Aubrey, it would have been Angelina, one of those two being in the first group but I think Aubrey was the one in most trouble. Tell me a little bit about your relationship with Aubrey because we didn't see too much of it on the show, but I have to imagine that after the time that you spent together in the beginning of the game and then towards the end of the game that there had to have been a relationship Yeah, my relationship with Aubrey is very interesting because what we didn't see is my relationships with everybody else in Vatu was honestly a lot closer than Audubrey. My top alliance members if I did like a, you know, social ranking, Gennabe was my number one. for the entire pre swap of the game and we see that relationship kind of pay off with her giving me the idol. But Genevvee was like my ride or die out there. and I wasn't really close to Aubrey f swap because I was kind of team Genev, and obviously, Genevve and Aubrey kind of had this thing going which we didn't really see too much on TV, but like the tension was there and I was firmly on camp Genevve at that time. So I wasn't really close with Aubrey pre swap. Then we head into the merge and Aubrey's kind of like this free agge and Aubrey's with like the middle people, which I, you know, rightfully coined and I want to take a little bit of credit. But Aubrey was kind of with like Rick And Arba was kind of just everywhere. She was just kind of floating. So I never really had a great relationship strategically with Aubrey until powerower broker twist Personally, me and Aubrey had a great relationship. somethingomething that I really admired about Aubrey and You know, we'll talk about this later on. fororts up you know when we go for our jury votes. But what Aubrey did really well with me is she was always empathetic with me and she kind of always checked up on me, whether it was in the game or just personally. She was like Bzil like how are you doing? you know, you're playing back to back. You're kind of on the bottom here. People are saying this about you. And like Aubrey And I weren't align. but Aubrey would tell me like, Hey Rizzo, you're kind of rubbing Colby the wrong way. Hey Rizo, Q thinks you're kind of lazy. You know what I mean? So like she did these little things that kind of let me know that there is a working relationship there. but we were never like rock solid up until probably the Ozzie blinds side And she got you those cookies And she got me those cookies. She took one for the team with the grub. I would say me and Aubrey had a very good personal relationship. And I think that's what really paid dividends for her because she had that with a lot of people. What Aubrey did really great was, you know, like you said, give me the cookies, makeake sure I was good checked upon me emotionally. and then strategically we were better aligned toward the end game Anything else that you want to talk about from oldld school Vatu before we talk about where you land at the swap Yeah, I think what was great about Oskovatu is I genuinely felt like that was the best tribe starting tribe of all time. I think the dynamics we had were super great. I feel really bad with Genevieve, Colby, Kyle and even Q all having terrible luck because I really do think We would have stuck together and made a deep run U I think so too. because we were all such in lockstep. you know The way the cookie crumbles, we go from a tribe of eight to a tribe of three heading into a fifteen or a seventeen person merge Well, sorry, a fourteen person jury which is kind of insane to say, but Forever and remember Ojibatu Okay You end up going from this super strong tribe to start and then you are the only person left from that tribe Wh is on your new swap truck Job It's so interesting because I very quickly learned my mistakes from Oji Vatu and realizing that like, wow, I'm now going into another tribe where nobody has any idea of really who I am I need to make sure that I don't come across as a fan, but kind of play the middle a little bit. That's how I kind of endeared myself to a lot of the people like Honestly to this today, I don't really know what made Serei really realize like this guy no matter what. But I think it was my straightforwardness with all of the information I was providing Serena and showing her how much I really wanted to play with her that really her in because at first, I mean, Serei was kind of like Colby like Risg God like I'm not calling you Risg. But then she kind of got the charm and got to see that don't see on TV, especially with my game is the way I come across on TV isn't how I come across on camp. O TV character. I know how to, you know, ham it up a little bit for the cameras and bring a personality. But back at camp, I'm a very normal dude. that's really endearing. I have a big heart and people really see that. and I think What's very interesting is for Survivor forty nine and sururvivor fifty, the people that are anti reso For people that don't like me because of what I put on at tribal council. I put up this very cocky and confident persona. When I'm back at camp and I get people to vote with me and do all these things, it's because they like me back at camp. After tribal council been like, I don't like Rzle Fanting the idol or like I don't like Rizult calling himself a legend. Sit still bothers me to this day. likeike can you not read the room? I'm clearly joking about being a Godd or a legend. But that's besides the point. I think going into the swap, I wanted to make sure that people knew I was a number and I was a loyal number. and that's why D evenven though it's been very on the record that D and I have had some conversations before the cast or before people were on the island. it didn't work out for me because I ultimately lied because I was being a good Samaritan and not revealing how I placed on forty nine, but You know, it didn't pay me well clearly or I don't want to say clearly but there were some rumblings of how we placed before we got on the island. But when you say you were a good Samaritan? Yes You mean that you were just somebody who was not spoiling the season or you were doing a good deed. Correct. I was I was trying to be honest, will not be honest. I clearly was dishonest, but I was trying to have integrity for my season in hopes that Savannah and I can get on the on season fifty on even playing field because the reality is as well, Savannah did beat me I don't want to fuck over Savannah, right? Because if I go out there and tell everybody she won She's dead on arrival, which to be honest, she already was because people kind of already assumed she won. We saw what happened to her. So I was trying to kind of play the game before the game started in the sense of like, hey, neither of us won, donon't worry about it, kind of thing Um, but I lied to D. I had to build a negative relationship because I didn't start at zero with D. I started at negative one hundred. So I had to put in the work there And what I quickly drew is if I have D I have Camilla and I kind of used Survivor forty eight to my advantage because the one thing that I did when I came back from forty nine was watch Survivor forty eight. which, you know My girlfriend, which is a funny story, says, Babe, did I miss anything on Svivor forty eight? Jeff Proes was telling us on forty nine. It's the greatest season ever. She's like, no, just watch the Sahian blindside. So that was kind of funny. Anyways. So I knew that Camilla didn't want to play a loyal game. She wanted to switch it up a little bit kindind of use that to her advantage. I'm like Camilla, do you want to stay? OG Calo strong or do you want to make a move against these guys and really be the narrator of your own story? And I also knew that she was with Dee and Tiffany in this like girls OG Caho alliance. So I kind of played that as well to my benefit And you know, what we didn't see is I actually try to pull Rick Devons into the fold because I knew Si and Rick Devons was good at OG Cila because Si told me Rick was the one that gave Aubrey the idol. obbviously, Rick lies to Siri there. and I'm like Rick, like I'm trying to tell Rick to be a part of us without giving up to Charlie pllant I think Rick was just playing a little scared and Rick was like, okay, Rizzo, I can't, I can't, you know I can't stay with you. So we actually had a plan during that Charlie vote, which doesn't make the edit because it's kind of relevant. But I tell Rick, I'm like Rick, if you think should play my shot in the dark Pay with your beard at tribal council and look at me. and Rick an entire tribal is like playing with his beard to cQ for me to play the shyine in the dark one in reality, I'm just kind of like, you know, This is my problem with sururvivor. When I know I'm up in the score, I kind of like, you know, rubbing it in people's faces. So I was like all right, than you Rick, thank you, Rick. And then after Charlie gets blindseted, I go back to Rick and I'm like Rick, I tryed to tell you. And he's like, you got me, Rizo. So that was really fun. But ultimately my OG or sorry, my swap Ceila game. was really just trying to build relationships and build an army heading into a potential merge If you feel like you're stuck with the same pair of glasses and want to shake it up, you could get new ones, but replacing them always felt like more effort than it was worth. You got to schedule an appointment, go in, pick frames under pressure, spend way more than you expected, and wait for two weeks So the scratched peair stayed Zenny completely changed that equation. prescription glasses, sunglasses, blue light lenses starting at under thirty dollars. You go to Zenny d. com pick your frames, upload your prescription, done. 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I'm not too sure, but I think what D realizes once we got on the beach and you know, it was very apparent with the tribe breakdown that Savannah one Do you realize that I probably was lying about our placements? And going into it, I kind of told you like, hey I'm sure that you know because there were rumblings in Oji Vatu like, oh, like I suspect it' Savannah one. So if Oji Vatu felt that, I'm sure the rest of the cast did. So I kind of went into Dee apologizing. and ultimately it took about a day or so of me just being myself and getting her to see the true qualities of an ally that I can be. And I also think it was the way that Charlie played in Dee's perspective that really was alarming to her where she was like, actually, I can work with Rizzo and I can't really work with Charlie. And I think that's where we see her in the hammock, like Rizzo like I want to play with you and we kind of came together there I'm curious to know with the Charlie vote. at what point do you start to realize that Charlie is gunning for you? Is it from further back than we even see in the episodes Honestly, it's actually crazy because Charlie was the person I actually went to first at Swap Steel up I came into the cast. or came into sururvivor fifty, really wanting to play with Charlie because I think Charlie and I are kind of two coin or two players on the same coin. I think we're young social strategic, super fans of the show. and I think we would play really, really well together and And he's also like my girlfriend's favorite player So I went up Charlie and I'm like Charl I'm going tell you everything I know about this game to prove to you that I want to play with you I didn't really know he was going behind my back until I started to become close to aligned with Siri and D. So it was about like, you know, twenty four to thirty six hours until I really knew that Charlie didn't have me in his best interest. and what made me really realize that Charlie was not with me was that vote conversation that we see on TV. I'm sleeping and Charlie decides to wake me up in the middle of the night. He's like Riza, whoo did you tell about the Billy Ilish idol? And he just makes a complete fallacy that didn't need to happen. It' just ae for no reason about Jonathan asking about idols. and I knew from that moment Charlie was being paranoid and I knew that I can use that to my advantage and target him. So that's where you see me put the plan in motion going to Serei, going to D wanting to get Charlie out was one thing that was shown in the episode, which I think it was just mostly for, you know suspense was Camilla really wasn't wavering between Charlie and I. Once Dee was locked in with me U I mean, granted, this is just from my perspective. Camilla was always going to ride with us because Camilla and Dee were kind of a pair So I think once Camilla and Dee realized that Charlie wasn't really with them, they decided to hitch their wagon to me So you end up then you Have the idol at this point, correct? Yep And and you tell Si about the idol and you end up making this really strong bond with Serei, which is going to really carry through most of the game And so after Charlie goes home, that really Serei wants to get this what does she call it? this u this Polly alliance with you and Ozzie going. Yeah wereere you excited for the Auszie Alliance Yeah, you know, it's so interesting because I as a super fan and kind of like, you know, reading in all these articles. I knew Serene and Ozzie were together from the beginning. It was kind of like it's shocking to me to see other players on my cast not really realize it m when to me it was like Bld face in your face, Si and Ozzie were together, but o to also naive for me or ignorant for me to say because I was so closely aligned with Si But what I was super excited about was Si and Ozzie kind of fit the exact same trio I had forty nine Ozz, you can say has some parallels to Savannah being the comp beast that can win immunities when needed. And Sur and Sopfie kind of had that ability to gather information and play the middle. whereereas I felt like I kind of fit the same mold I did in forty nine, the guy with the public idol kind of strategically maneuver hisself through the game. So very similar to I was like, wow, this is exactly what I did in forty nine. And obviously like Si and Ozzy have legacy bigger shields than Svann and Sopie were for me. So I was super excited because I realized that I can go deep into the game with them and they can be shields for me Now You get to this seventeen person merge. You talk to Genevieve about the Billy Eish Boomerang idol trademark and she denied that she sent it to you, correct? And you believe that So what's interesting was when I got the idol, just based on deducing who could have potentially gave me this idol? I knew it was Genevve. I was like, and you see me say it's surory in epode I was like I hope it'seneve So when we go to the merge, Genovie was like my closest ally aside from Serei at this point and honestly D as well. I was super excited to, you know get back with her. And what we don't see from the episode is I actually tell Genevve about Cerei's extra vote because I was super, super locked in with Genevieve And when we go to the water wellell, I'm like Genev, you gave me out, right? Genevve was like, who did you tell And I told her honestant. I said I told D and S because I needed them to save me And then she decided to lie to me. And to be honest, I bought it because up until this point, she's never lied to me. I've told her everything in the game. So I would feel like that energy would be reciprocated clearly wasn't So I never really got confirmation it was Jenna Eveen. Obviously, once she goes home, the only other option I thought about was it has to be Aubrey. But Aubrey swore up and down to me that it was never her So throughout the whole season elt like it was Genevve, but I never had that confirmation. So I kind of use that to my advantage a little bit when we would talk about os I'm like listen, guys, like You could vote for me But if I go home with this idol in my pocket. You don't know who's getting this idol. So I did use that in my favor for my strategy the idol as well, which honestly kind of worked out for me So Ozzie is going to find the advantage and he's going to have to pick somebody to take with him to exile Island and it ultimately ends up being you. Did you know instantly that this was a good thing Honestly, Rob, I was actually pissed that Ozzie picked me first because I'm in the camp. Id rather be in the fold and in the chaos controlling my fate than kind of being separated from everything, right? Like I don't want tona be away from the action because in my theory, I was thinking, all right, what better way to prove my allegiances to a big group of people being a part of a vote. In reality, what ultimately end up happening was it made me look or it put me in the best position in the game because I avoided three voteouts, which Honestly, it was kind of the worst case for me because three of my allies literally went home. Colby was one of my closest allies, Genevveie was one of my closest allies, and Camilla just voted tribal before. So I kind of got like You know, it's terrible. I lost three in one great for me because I was able to blend in and really play a middle position that I truly wanted to do. and what Serei Ozzie and I did really well was kind of float back and forth as a trio getting all the information. So at first I didn't want to picks because I'm like o Ozy,, what the hell man? taking me away from the action and also like I didn't want to sleep in exile alone. but Ozzie ultimately took really good care of me and we had no idea three people were going back. So when we got back to camp and heard all the trial or like all the blood that was shed M and Ozzie are giggling like we just saved our idols. Nobody knows me you and Suri are together now and now we can play the middle and really run the tables, which ultimately it was a good thing A you come back from exile, the first normal vote that you all have at the merge is the vote where D ends up going home. and D was somebody who you had wanted to work with that you you know, were building something with And you have to sort of reverse course on D Yeah, it's you know, it really sucks because a lot of my strategy when it comes to survivor and we see it both on forty nine and fifty is I like aligning with strong players because I rather play with people that I can depend on than people I got to kind of manage and hold their hands. And I feel like we see that in forty nine with Savannah and Sophie and in fifty We saw that with Siri. We see that with D. Geneve, you know what I mean? And D was somebody I was like, listen, D is kind of like Savannah in many facets Great loyal players, great with challenges and Dee was a winner. She had a huge target on her back. So I was ready to ride with D pretty. I mean, I'm not going to say turn the final three, but pretty far into the game. And when I get back to camp and I hear Emily of all people tell me that Dee told her about my idol, I was taken aback because at that point only Serei Auszie and B then D at that point were the only people that knew about my idol. So the fact that D spilt my secret really did upset Oh not it didn't really upset me. It actually hurt me because I gave D my entire game. I told D I'd be loyal to you until I couldn't be loyal anymore. And she ultimately used her relationship with Emily, which they've been friends for years. L I can't hold that against her. It just happened that she decided to tell Tiffany and Jonathan and the word kind of spread a little bit And Serene and I realized like, hey Are we going to really hitch our wagon to D and save her because if me and Si really wanted to, I promise we could have saved DN that and sent cooach out the door What we really decided on was Dee has already proven to us that she can't be trusted So she's a big target and it kind of allowed us to be with that honor and integrity people because Siri and I discussed, I mean, Ozzie as well that listen, I'm with the four horsemen. Why would I vote out coach when we can survive another round? Joean Jonathan I'm with them. Coach is going crazy right now and why would we burn that and have D there because D's going to, you know under the radar Let's stay with the honor integrity. Let's get out D to make them happy and then course correct in the next round. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up the four horseman because that was something that I felt like was not really explored in the episode. but I suspected it was a bigger deal where you show up after the merge and Colby was in the alliance with coach and they were talking about Jonathan and Joe and this was going to be the four horsemen and you get asked to be a part of this by coach. and we never really see it come up again or be mentioned in the episodes, but it seems like that that was important Yeah, it was. Like I said, Coly and his relationship was super, super tight. Once we got to the seventeen person merge, Colbey laid down the law for me and kind of told me what to expect. He's like, listen, Rizo cameame from OG Caliower. It was me, Chrissy Coach, Joe and Geneviv Az ai Colby basically told me like, listen Uh Honor and integrity people are going to come to you and pull you into this alliance. So I was like, okay, great And Colby never told me the name or anything like that, but obviously he then leaves in the Bood moon and cooach realizes that like, oh Darn, I need to get Rizzo before he goes somewhere else. So the way he pitched it to me was, as we seeen in the episode, he said Rizo, you're going to replace Colby and be a part of the four horseman It was already in a named alliance, but they just wanted me to be the fill in. So going to say yes and Honestly, I did a really good job where they really felt like I was really with them. Honestly, everybody felt like I was with them and they could say whether I had no U win equity or whatever it was, but I was so socially integrated with everybody. And Joe Jonathan Coach and I Pre tight. I'm not going to say like We weren't personally tight. like we didn't spnd around the campfire all hanging out, but like Strategically, we always checked up on each other Funny enough, if it wasn't for the duos twist I would have trigg or I would have tried to figure out a way to keep coach in the game, but because Christy was so gum ho against me, Suri and I Mostly Cerei's credit. I mean, we see her literally flip the vote I ultimately realized that like, listen, cooach is not worth keeping Chrissy around. so I'm going to have to let cooach go I would have rode with them a little bit a couple more votes because I felt like I had good win equity and good prospects against, you know, the four horsemen ultimately I think with coach leaving And cooach was kind of blindsided by me pretty hard. likeike and you know, he's he said it on the record that he was really upset with me because he felt like we were bonded. Obviously I have this great coach moment where I tell him. we don't slay dragons at camp We slay them at tribal. and that kind of showed the relationship I had with cooach. likeike Coach realized that we were very similar in ways And one thing that I really like about Coach is that Coach obviously knows how to play up for the cameras, but like at his core, he's a good dude. And the reason why we got together so well is because I think he kind of saw that in me a little bit. He knew I was a Riz guy the character, but I also knew how to play the game when it mattered. So that's why we were kind of very close So the four horseman was was a thing. back, I watched that live tribal council at the duos Tribal cououncil and you were so fun to watch during that. You were really just having a field day What during all the chaos? Yeah I think what I've really realized playing Survivor is There is only one winner, right? You're already coming into survivor a loser. I don't care what you think. You can have the winners's mentality. You already lost once you entered the island. So why not go out there and have fun? And I see I think you see this through forty nine and fifty. I'm just that tribal council putting on theater because at the end of the day, this game is meant to have fun. So of course, when I see Rick Rick Devans pull an idol out of trib doing Rick Dvans things. Yeah, Rick Devansons doing Rick Dvansonss things where it's never happened before. And obviously as a fan, I know Jeff has said after Winers where we'll never tribal are an idol at tribal. But then Rick finds when I'm like, holy shit that Jeff just go back because it's season fifty. I'm going berserk because also Rick Dev has just broke a record live in front of me finding his sixth idol. So I'm going over there giving him props. and I think what Jeff does a really good job is like Rizo what the fuck? didid you just fanboy for Rick Dvans? And I was like, I guess I did like I didn't really realize. it was literally just my innate reaction to everything because I truly was having a great time. And I think if I had to give any advice to the next generation of players is to go out there and have fun. Don't be fucking quiet, donon't be cagey. I don't care if that's good gameplay If you're a good player, you play well when it Camp Because what you say at tribal doesn't matter if you have a good social game back that can So after the duos, I believe Christian ends up being the next person to get part. Did you have a relationship with Christian Yeah, you know, actually, I'm very glad that we we' talking about this fole because I feel like this fe I don't want to say I take credit for it, but I'm very proud of the direction that this went. Christian and I kind of had like a very nerdy good relationship. Christian and I now are like great friends, but on the island I could very much tell that Christian had his priorities in different baskets. It was the Emilily's, it was the Rick Devans, and then kind of like Jonathan he was kind of holding very close with and obviously Sereree. And Christian kind of Christian was kind of the big target anyways, just due to his likeability and just having reputation. So it was kind of hard for him, especially for playing as much as he did in the pre merge to really have a solid footing because everybody knew like, oh, Christian is still here after going to every single tribal council He's got to go. So Chris and I didn't really have a great close relationship What I knew Christian was doing was he was playing the middle if in a sense, right? Like he was trying to ping pong back and forth. in that round and I will say this Christian, while I know a lot of the fans hated the Jimmy Fallon twist, the Jimmy Fallon twist did not send Christian home in the firm belief that Christian was the target and was going to go home if he didn't win immunity anyways. But what really sealed the deal was obviously the public announcement of the vote against him because going into that round, Emily was like rubbing people the wrong way. We see the Rice incident. I think her just going back and forth and like kind of rubbing the people the wrong way with like her facial reactions and stuff like that. Sree, Tiffany and a few others really wanted Emily to go and basased on my winner prospects at that point in the game, I'm like, I cannot vote Emily out. Emily's one of the people I need to sit at the end with which is why I kind of course correct. I'm like, guysys, what are we doing? Christian is the biggest threat here? And Emily and Christian And it was mostly Emily to be honest, devised an Ozuszie blindside plan. That was like the counter attack was we need to get Ozzie out. Oz is playing such a great game. And to Ozzie's credit and I will still stand by this. This is the best sururvivor game. Ozzy's ever played in his five times. I think because he ultimately had a social strategic game. And was he, you know It is Was his hand held by me and Suri at times for sure, but I ultimately think Ozzie has improved the most that he's ever did. And had Ozzy made the end I think had a really, really good shot at winning, which I don't think you can really say any other time besides South Pacific U but anyways, I think I mean need to get four votes in Cook Islands. He did. he did, but ultimately, he was one vote short toomato tomo. Um Well yeah, you're right. But ultimately, with Emily and Christian trying to devise the plan with Ozzie going home. I think Everybody was like, you know what? L let's just get Emily out. She wants Ozzie out. Let's prot A Ozzie and I'm like, guys Let's get Christian now. He has a vote against him This is the only way we can do it clean sweet And then obviously Christian goes home. I'm not saying I'm the sole proprietor to that, but I feel like I had agency in that And that is in the episode that you were like saying to people like, what are we doing Yeah Yeah. And I think ultimately it was the right move for me U because I needed Emily at the end with me if I wanted to win the game. Yeah I want to ask you about the auction that did you realize and in talking to some of the other players and in the episodes, people seemed annoyed you didn't finish your chicken at the auction. Did you know that was a thing No, I'm going to be honest, while I like to say I have good self game awareness, I was definitely oblivious to all this because I, while I play sururvivor in the sense of like I always look, what's the best move for everybody else I thought that people would empathize with me because I'm at this point, fourteen days, fifteen, sixteen days without eating. I just played back to back. I'm on day thirty eight out of forty five playing. I thought people would say, you know what? I feel bad for Rizo. giveive them all the food that you want. But instead, everyone's ego or whatever came into ends like, whyy is Rizo not eating this He should be grateful and And I'm like What's the makes people fight. Right, rightight, which I didn't really realize until, you know, later down in the game. But funny story to the chicken breast of it all that really sparked this conversation is obviously Aubrey takes one for the team, eats the grubs and I have chocolate chip cookies. I am anticipating a burger estate. pizza. I'm trying to get like something really, really good that I would love. So I'm saving all my money. I haven't won, you know, we're going, you know, food after food after food. I'm like fuck it. I'm just gonna put three hundred dollars to the next thing and I hope I win three hundred bucks and it's actually a PBN J sandwich. It's half of a PBNJ sandwich And Jeff decides, all right, Rizo, are you going to go with this PBNJ sandwich? Are you going go with this covered item? And I'm like, Jeff, stop talking. I'm going with the covered item. He's like, why? I said, because I'm on survivor. I don't want a PBNJ. I'll take the risk So he opens it up and it's You know, grilled chicken breast, bccoli with a protein shake. and I'm like E And then everyone's like, why the fuck That's exactly what you need Rizon. And I was like, Well, I'm hop for a burger, but like I'll eat it. So like I think they were really upset because I wasn't grateful because I'm like eating it like a kid eats broccoli, you know, at the dinner table. I'm like I'm like not happy I'm eating it, but I'm eating it. And at this point, obviously Rob, you've played Survivor. After a certain amount of time that you haven't eaten, your stomach has gotten so small. So there's only a certain amount of food that you can really eat. So I had two chicken breasts and broccoli. I probably ate like one in a quarter of the chicken breasts with a few broccoli I tried to eat or drink the protein shake. It was like a banana chocolate protein shake. It was disgusting And you know, when you drink milk on sururvivor. you're going to have to use the bathroom. So I was like, you know what want to drink this and you know, go and shit in the ocean. And Jonathan is like Mrter Jeff. Please buy that protein shake out of Rizzo. He's not drinking it. And Jeff's like, nope, you can't do it. And like Jonathan got super angry because he just ate a sea slug I think I didn't really realize how much that people Okay. this is also the same round that has the Mrter Beast coin and then ultimately Stephanie gets voted out I know you were very excited during all of this. Did you have a particular outcome that you were hoping for Yeah, you know, this round was probably the most chaotic round of survivor I've ever played in my survivor career because ultimately, we really had no idea what was happening. Mr. Beast and Jeff did not tell us what Mr. Beast is going to do besides the fact that beware advant his super beware advantage will come out tribal So me and Rick were probably the biggest Mrter Beast fans there. So we were kind of contemplating is mrter Beast going to bribe somebody? Are we going to flip a coin? Are we going to have to play a game for our safety? So we ultimately had no idea. So going into that round. Everybody's name was up for grabs. Literally everyone probably besides Sereite, to be honest. ultimately going into that round. I think everybody was so scared of the chaos that they said, let's just all vote out Rick Devans and like, you know, put our put our guns down and just make it another round. So going into that vote, Rick Devans was the consensus vote to go home And when Mr. B shows the coin flip, everybody's like, oh my God, like who's going to flip this coin? And very quickly, Rick Devans is like Let me do it And there was, you know, like Joe and a couple of people were like, you can't let Rick Dvon flip this coin and And I'm like All right, do you wantan to fucking flip this coin then? L Rick literally was openly like, I'll give myself a fifty fifty shot of going home Be the reality is, okay, Rick flips this coin and goes home. That's the outcome that we wanted. Rick flips this coin and it hits. we win two million dollars and this is great. now we can vote somebody else out and Rick did such a great job throwing All of the dirt on Stephanie that a lot of us knew, especially Serei Ozzie and I, and I'm sure Aubrey and Tiffany because Tiffany was in our alliance at that point as well. we all knew like if Rick hits it, Stephanie's going to go home. kindind of was like a win win regardless of what happened and we saw exactly what happened. I think No, I think it played out exactly how I wanted. If Rick didn't hit it and the pot was only a million dollars then season fifty would probably be ranked a lot lower than it is. like I think One of the most iconic moments on Survivor fififty is that coin fllip. And you can argue if it's ethical to the game of Survivor, but listen, we're in the fiftieth season at this point. You got to just try shit. And if it works, it works. 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I think what I will say is this had Ozzie not said anything, Aubrey definitely would have went home. and the reason why I was okay with this was because up until this point, I did a great job still maintaining my four horsemen of Joe Jonathan and I after Coach Let. So I felt like no matter what I have a trio with Even if Aubrey goes home and we go into the final seven, I have me, Joe and Jonathan and Rick Devons who is just trying to fight another day. And I felt at that moment, I can flip on Sere and Ozzie at seven with these four guys. The reason this all changes is because Ozzie Very quickly like right as soon as we got to the beach, Azz goes, Aubrey, canan we talk and tells her the whole game plan. He didn't tell her on the last hour. He told her in the first five minutes. So when you do this to a player that is savvy as Arey, and to be honest, you don't even have to be savvy. You could have told you know, crazy brook from Vanaat to the first boot. He would have gone to everybody and been like, you know, Ozzie told me Rizzo and Serei have a final three Ozzie or Dave Serei an extra bow like they're the they're a final two like Any competent human will go around telling people that. So when Aubrey's going to me, Aubrey's going to Joe and who at this point, I have a final two with Joe. Joe is like my rider di and What we really didn't see in the edit is Joe and I had a conversation in a secret scene that talked about what he meant to my family and showcasing awareness for autism. that's really where the bulk of Joe and I's relationship came from. And from that point on, we were in unison the entire season. So when I haven't told Joe about my alliance with Sere and Ozzy and Aubrey is doing this. I'm like, holy shit, I need to course correct because if I tell Ozzie to play his Iidol, I now burn Joe and Jonathan, who are the two people at this point that I realize I need to sit with them at the end to win burn them and keep Ozie. I just have to be with Ozzie and Siri because I'd rather at least make the end and pitch a case than go out seventh because Joe and Jonathan are upset at me. So once Ozzie did that, all of the leverage that I had in terms of playing this true middle was gone because Aubrey exposed my entire game that is associated with Azzie. So ultimately when it comes down to it, did Jonathan want Ozzie out? Absolutely. Did Aubrey want Ozzie out? I mean, she did because it was the only way to save her So ultimately, what I think happened is Ozzie sunk his game Aubrey put the plan in motion, but I truly decided Ozzie was to go home Had we made the final three and it was Joe, Jonathan and I because had Aubrey make the final three like, even though I felt like I had to move, Aubrey to take all the credit because she was the one that survived it I always felt that it was my move because I could have told Ozzy to play the idol, but I didn't. I realize Joe and Jonathan and I needed to make the end. And I knew I knew Siri wanted Ozzie to stay. You saw me in conessional saying like I know Ozzie wants or Siri wants me to save Ozzy, but I had to do what was in my best interest and And ultimately me blindsiding Ozzie tarnish my relationship with Serei because Serei realized that wow Ozzie gave them the keys. Ozzie told them everything and I don't want to sink my ship to it or sink my boat to a sinking ship So M andiri's relationship was very good even after that Yeah that sort of recontextualizes how I look at it to hear you say it that way because it wasn't just that Ozzie tellelling Aubrey panked his game tank your version of the game working with Azzie and Siri. becausecause that wasn't a viable path anymore Right, exactly. So when he does this, I don't have an option anymore. I don't have the options of like playing both sides. I ultimately have to pick a side once he does that. And am I going to pick the side against the best to never the two best players to never win or Joe and Jonathan who a lot of the jury didn't respect. Obviously I'm to go with the two people that the jury didn't really respect because I was one of the people that the jury didn't respect So obviously I had to go with them Okay. so after this vote, I mean, how formal is is there a conversation with Joe and Jonathan of like, hey, we're we're doing this. We're going to the final three? Yeah, I that that round specifically when Aubrey was probably going on a walk Um And Ozzie was I don't know, doing whatever, probably cooking the rice. Joe Jonathan and I got together, did a formal handshake and I was like, listen, guys, are we doing this? Are we? going ahead and blindsiding Ozzie and going to the end with us. And we all agreed. yes, we all shook hands. And from that point on from the final nine on, Joe Jonathan and I kind of locked in and I think we were not I think, honestly, we controlled the end game throughout the final fouro and Was there an order in which you wanted to move to the final three? And did it go according to that plan Honestly, the Boo order was exactly what we wanted. I know there's some conversation with why not bring Serei at four instead of Aubrey to Si Just like Aubrey doesn't have really good track records and individual immunity challenges, but this was my thought process Aubrey and Si at final four. It gives Sree way too much wiggle room to the end. She needs to win a challenge. Maybe she gets fucking lucky. The Survivor gos just gives her a win or she wins fire. She's done fire before We have zero, zero shot at winning the game I needed a move against Siri for my resume because beating Serei in Fire or like having Jonathan beat Sere in Fire isn't a move I needed to say I got out Serei and I was Serei's understudy and I became the main study because I got her out. Hence why I did it. I wanted to do it at five. But once Tiffany won the immunity at six, course correct and get Siri out. So Rick at seven was always the plan. The plan was tip at six, but she wanton immunity so became Si. ended up being tiffed Joe Jonathan and I felt like Aubrey was the best person that we can be in a competition and not that's ultimately the reason why, but she came in clutch and won the final F immunity. In the final three, it ends up being of course Aubrey and Jonathan and Joe And you end up voting for Aubrey. And I've thought about this Final Trp councsel a lot. and I think that your vote to me is the most interesting of ever like people have picked sides of there were Aubrey people, there were Jonathan people. then I felt like that Rick and Christian and Emily, they were kind of like a block. They all end up going for Aubrey You and me are the most independent voter in the jury. Could you tell me? a little bit about your decision and and and how you came to voting for Aubrey over Jonathan or Joe who you were working with closer. For sure. And this is a great question, Rob So ultimately after I lost in fire, my decision was I was going to vote for Joe Because to contrary belief, I tend to do vote for my number ones, Hence why I voted for Savanah, even though I felt like Sanah played the best game. I wanted to vote for Joe based on the relationship that we cultivated in the fourteen days of playing Heading into Ponderosa, I felt that not that I felt. there were two very strong factions. one pro Jonathan side and one pro Albert's side. And to be quite honest, as somebody that played the game with Joe and Jonathan very closely aligned see the game that Jonathan played. I felt like Jonathan had a lot of strategic missteps and as somebody that pres himself on the strategy, I ultimately wanted to vote for the winner. So I was worried if I voted for Joe, That will cost somebody the win So ultimately, I said, listen, I knew I would have been the only person voting for Joe I said And to be quite honest, like did hurt Joe's feelings and to this day, I feel really bad about it, but we're still great friends. and he understands why I ultimately do vote for Aubrey. But once I realized that my vote for Joe is kind of a wasash, I said, you know what Joe, I'm taking you out of the equation and I'm voting for who I felt like played the best game and Jonathan. And I tend to vote based on the best social and strategic players. And to me, I really felt like Aubrey while didn't have the most agency in the game. moved the game with intention. Whereas I felt like if Jonathan really had the agency and intention that he says he does Some of the moves he would have made would have been different. and I'll give you an example The Power Broker twist is the one that he really won, where he could have put his foot down and make a move on the game. And where I felt he really misplayed it is better resume move to say that you are the reason why Azzie and Serei go home in the same boat felt like him voting with Si and Tiffany Get out Emily of all people was a terrible miscalculation because Emily is somebody that I guarantee you he beats at the end So why are you catering to Sereree who has an extra vote and she's coming to you like Jonathan have an extra vote, let's split the vote. You can still split the vote flush Rick's idol, but still get out Sry in the game. And to me That would have been a game winning move. instead of putting the ball in his hands and taking the last shot. It really felt like he passed the ball to Siri and said, Serei, this is your move because let's talk about that move. whose move is it for Emily to go home It's Cereise, not Jonathan. and I felt like that was a big dict to his game because Jonathan talked about a lot of his social and strategic agency. Let's talk about a social game. I think even with when it comes to Christian and He didn't manage that well. The big fight with D I mean, like the last time I checked, if you're gonna publicly fight with someone, I wouldn't expect their vote. So there was a couple of things where I just felt like that wasn't game winning moves Andike I said, I'm not sitting here and say Aubrey played this amazing mastermind game, but Aubrey had a lot of intention with her social relationships. And I think she cultivated it at tribal council so well. Survivor isn't really about who played the best game who you want to win the game more and Aubrey's relationships that she invested with people and made them want to vote for her to win, whereereas I didn't really feel like Jonathan had that. And this is no shade. likeike I, you know, Jonathan played great. I think he improved well. He's probably the most improved player from our season But I felt like in that moment I thought Aubrey played the best game out of the two. So Aubrey also was talking about you as somebody that she felt like that she could be going towards the end of the game I heard you talk about how you felt like that there were certain people you could beat and certain people. Uh you couldn't be were you feeling that also that a lot people were looking at you as somebody who they wouldn't want to vote for at the end Yeah, one hundred percent. and I've said this in some price where I had a conversation probably early merge with Rick and Emily where They notoriously told me that Ra like, I don't really know what you're doing in the game. And this was like right after I got out Charlie, got out D Christy and I'm thinking to myself, Wow, like I'm playing so. I literally know Stephanie has a st leo. I don't lerally all these advantages that you guys aren't aware of. but you don't really see me as a respectable gamepler. And ultimately, Survivors' perception is reality Nobody really knew what I was doing because they didn't see forty nine. They didn't see how I could control a bootat in forty nine. They just thought I was a kid that was coasting and a kid that was kind of depleting because that was a part of the game where I'm gonna just say sick because that's what everyone said. I wasn't really ill. I was just malnourished where a lot of my I looked like a sick dying child I thought the respect there was kind of lacking from everyone around me. So I realized that the only way I can win Putting my close allies in the jury, Ala Si and Azzie and aee to be honest and getting them to vouch for me against people that the other jury didn't like, which I thought it was Emily Joe and Jonathan. But once Emily went I was like, listen Joe and Jonathan are I to the end. So I knew my prospects weren't that great. And to be honest, I felt like my game in fifty was so much better in forty nine. So in many ways, it really did frustrate me that I wasn't garnering the respect. end of the day, it doesn't matter what I think, Rob. It matters what the jury thinks. and that's why I put myself in the best position to the end I don't know what would have happened obviously because, you know, revisionist history is a thing. but I do feel like if Aubrey is in that jury and it's me and the three guys, I give myself at least a sixty percent yapper. I am a yapper and I feel like I'm able to dictate what I like what I just told you now. I would have said about Jonathan and his agency and I feel like I would have given myself a good shot at winning. But had I won? I don't know, but I think there's there's a possibility I know that there's been so much speculation about when you going to come back? When are you going to do this again? You told me at the finale, you'd leave you'd leave that day and and head back out Have you had any further thoughts on what you're going to do Th of ourours in terms of future survivor playing Yeah, I mean, listen, I I would play Survivor. I hope to place honestly, I My dream is to play a third time when tire all right. and honestly, if I somehow I do think if I ever come back whenever that day is my winning prospects would be good because people will respect me of how I played It's just going to be a lot harder for me to accomplish U my dream honestly is play Survivor again, give it my all. win in immunity. And then I'll be happy. Obviously I want to win the game and like cement myself as one of the greats to ever play Whether that's Survivor fifty four, blood versus water, Survivor sixty, Survivor one hundred Whenever Jeff gives me the call, I'll be there, whether its it's tomorrow or ten years or thirty years from now. I'd play this game when I'm seventy five, Rob Truth Yeah. So I don't know. I think I'llit you're seventy five. I don't wanna talk about how old I'll be By Yeah I don't know, that you're pretty old. No. I'm What do you do in real life when you're not on Survivor Honestly, Rob, I think for me, a lot of my joy just comes with putting myself in situations which I truly enjoy, which is obviously spending time with my girlfriend, with my friends. I go to a lot of sporting events. I see a lot of basketball games. Yeah, a lot of basketball games, a lot of baseball games. I play in a men's basketball league, which is honestly pretty embarrassing because every week I go to my men's league and they're like, dude,'ve watch twenty six episodes of Survivor and You scored twenty points in men's League but you can't fucking win an individual immunity. Doesn't make sense. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. I'm an athletic guy. L like look, look, come on, Rob. I'm kind of fit It just it didn't translate on the island. so I'm hoping to reverse my curse. J I do feel like though I have a really good shot of making it to the end again and hopefully winning, but is to remain to be seen. Let me ask you a deep cut question that is sort of you know, a little bit off of this. One of the things you talked about in your Survivor forty nine preseason was that you referenced a book How champions think? I read it on your recommendation veryery interesting book. A lot about how golfers think about the mental game and how it gets them focused and ready to play. and sometimes these people are beating themselves because their head's not right Did that have any impact on you in either of your Survivor seasons, What you took away from that book For sure. So to be quite candid, I don't read Rob. I really don't read. I read your book And then I read well, this was acif five, but yeah, the how Champions Think was the only book I read. And the reason for that is I needed a book to remind me of how great winners in sports history think, Michael Jordan, all the greatest golfers, like because you don't want to put yourself in a situation where you're already at a negative. And as somebody calls himself the Risguard. I have high, high confidence. entering survivor, like sometimes you can get nervous, right? You see Nate Moo, you see Savannah, you see all these people that seem like they're successful and want it as much as you do. Are you going to shrink or are you going to rise to the occasion? And what that book really taught me is Rizo winner no matter what you are a winner, whether you're first boot or the actual winner, you have won this already. So I went in there with Guns ab bllazing and ultimately that mentality of forty nine me to fifty a week later and I read that same book again and the reason I read that book is like, holy shit Rizult. you are with three winners, you are with Si Azzie coach Colby. Are you going to Rise to the occasion and get what you want Be a remmorable, one of the greatest players to ever play? or are you going to be that guy that came back around and be the worst place back to back player ever I don't want tona be this. I wanted to be this. So I reminded myself the high confidence I already have that you are a winner. go show the world that you're a winner. And I feel like I genuinely did that the two times that I played. I've never been voted out ' been in the right side of the vote every single time a side once where I lost my glorious King Nate And I should have known about that, but whatever. I had two idols that I brought all the way to the end feel like I really innovated the game. I think And forty nine and fifty, there was a lot of parallels where I played similarly But in many ways, I played very different. forty nine, I was the loud. in your face, you're either with me or against me player But in fifty, I was that same kind of player with the same idol in the same trioin the same role I was undercover. I was under the radar. I was playing a flip flopping game. I was playing a Rob Sesterino, Amazon type game. You know what I mean? And I felt very proud because I felt like The forty nine game is very, very strong. I really do feel that way But my fifty game, I think is even better. Ultimately, the way I look at it and I genuinely do believe this. I walked into Survivor fififty with a zero percent chance of winning Wh is going to award not only a player that they've never seen play before, but someone that calls himself the Rizg, which is the only thing these people knew about me and someone that is the youngest on the cast, not only one. two million dollars. I realized that I had a low percent chance at winning. But if I can get to the end and give myself the best chance at winning, which I literally almost did. It's a win in my book Incredible answer. Great job on the season I'm so proud of what you did I really did really, really the best you could under very tough circumstances to play these games back to back And I'm so happy to have you in our survivor world, and I'm so glad we had this chance to catch up As always, thank you so much. I think What better way to close off this chapter? And the way I always close off my chapters is doing the iconic RIZ GOD Rise God baby but. This was all about me.