England's Potential to Win the World Cup

I was told I wasn't going to start and I will share it on less money People would say, Okaykay, you love love, love, love, love. No, why did you leave? I said, I love my family, but I left my house. because competing ski. Ryan will always be a guy that plays differently I've never seen dribbling like he can with both of his feet. Can England win it? Yeah, most definitely, you have that special guy. by the way, you always had a special guy Yes guys, welcome to Rio Meets In this Wor cup, we're out in LA And Airbnb has sorted us out with this incredible place. We'll be bringing you the best conversations with the biggest names. Stay every you guys We'll see you next What hly. This is the off Yeah we've been looked. Yes yeah everywhere. Oh the middle of the door. M the nights cool is cool Oh not from Paris? Yes, I'm not actually. True statements. How you doing Good yourself. Thanks for coming over, m I appreciate it, you know. This is yourity. How many houses you have in? No, no, no, no, no, no, it's not like that, man, C on. It is like that. You're here. Oh, I'm here. Yeah, man, you're there. Y coffee. Your coffee is there Hi coffee. Hi everybody Back coffee is you, yeah, you like black coffee? Yes. Black on black on black on black, yeah You beening Jy Always ye This man I was saying to the guys today I said listen, he's going to go gym first and he'll come here. I remember in the World Cup in Brazil. Do you remember Yeah and I saw you in reception Oh I saw you in breakfast I was going gym An re? O 're. Well But I was still playing, though. I think I was you still playing. Yeah. so I was obviously retired then But now you're like mar into the gym now Ill see the pictures as well. Yeah, because now I used to train before like so therefore When I used to play I was never in the gym I was m like the guyl that was staying to take fick kicks or My finishing or doing boxs to box. Is that where it was one of those guys that li I am I going a gym? I just need It's more technique Yes. it' always be more technique It' one thing that people always Do not mention is how you utilize your brain reggardless of your height, your weight or your speed that will always give you an advantage And obviously when you're smaller, Oh less fast You develop your brain at a younger age.. You must. When I was young and you would have left like I was My runs were comical because they were. but because I was so fast, I was always going to catch the ball. Yeah. So therefore people like, is good? wasas I? I don't know if I was. I was just faster than anyone or stronger than anyone those guys at a young age because they don't have a superpower in Bracket they need to develop something else You can't you can't like my own run sometimes we're so late that because I was f I'm getting the ball or even The guys making the pass enough to really work on how great the past was going to be with me because I was going to catch get there Yeah. Do you understand what I'm saying? So therefore If If you're someone that do not have I will call it a superpower in Backet obviously, then you have to develop your brain because if you go into a battle or run with someone, how you going to survive or exist imp posossible? In today's game, who would you say is like the guy you could look at and go Oh we're a fan on this uh Bayry Pedri has two not disgis. I has two brains. two two has two brains. No, but look yet, those are the guys, believe it or not, I always say to people when I used to when I used to play I used to prefer a narcissist than a gl. And people always to go, what? come on stopline. No. Yes Watch me when I used to score, it it is simple. you can see it How many times you saw me really smiling after a gl? I always used to think. So for example, let's say I miss a gol I'm thinking even the game before. although we want to And I missed the goal'll be I'll be like. So I'm thinking about the goal I just go out of time And for me, in my mind, I'm kind of like How did I F miss that last week or five minutes before and I scored this one. And I was always keeping that. But then Look at whenever I used to give an assist I used you smile. And always you say that to people, He doesn't smile this guy and I'm like You're wrong A smile. When I give an assist But because assetss are the time, were not so much a thing. Now, obviously we want to assist their ass it. and by the way, which I think is how it should be because I don't know a lot of players that could score a goal without an assist. who can take the ball from anywhere and then score. You don't have a lot of people in that bracket. So therefore It is very important. and by the way, it is you pass the bull You don't you don't run from everywhere with it which I don't mind that, and I think is kind of gone a tiny bit in in the game that that that part of it. But again, to go back to what you asked me before, which are I will go back again. People do underestimate the power of the brain when we all know That's That's the thing, that's the thing that send signals to to, you know to the body, but then we don't How many people made you, for example, smarter What in the game Yeah made you smarter, notot a warrior, noted smarter Me,'ve I've won. And with all that guy wouldn't I've been able to understand what Alsen was telling me and what Pep was telling me tactically. I wouldn't have been to that guy, I won't give his name I think you came across him Jo Francisco Filio, the Brazilian. Yes, that was my coach. he cllass one ten Whatas he? Yes? Francisco He came Francisco. He came to May United. When Ronaldo arrived, he came for this guy was amazing. Where is he now? So did you say what? amazing? Oh So when I was at Clf Fonten, arrived at Clf Fontene and faster than everybody R. g really throl the ball well or you know, balling behind and I' running. I needed five opportunities to score one.. Like I wasn int clinical And so One time he came up to me and he said, You can't use your speed today. I don't want you to beat anyone or do anything with your speed And I'm looking at him and I'm like, how am I going to play? He said figure it out Do not use your speed So now suddenly Because he did that, that opened something in my Okay, now I need to start to see on this stand where the ball can go movement, timing of the run because at least, you know, but if you didn't want like row speed, distances need to make sure that you know, you cant catch me I'm not really in front of you, I'm not really close to the right back, I'm not really close to the audfielder. By the time you talk, I'm gone. But then can use my speed. so if somehow put a little dilemma in my head where I had to think. thenen he gave me another one one day as a nine Sory, I don't care Nobody knew was me and him. Today I don't want you to pass the ball back. You anign, you confress the ball back So what you have to turn faces game This is where I started to go on the wing that I t doney bit more Like you play against me. I was never in front of you.. That's what I'm saying So suddenly I'm not seeing the game. I'm not saying the game is tough. So As soon as he told me you can pass the ballb, that's very lazy for a striker Think it's lazy. You know you can lay off a new spin. So I was like, how am I going to go forward? play without passing the ball back. then suddenly as any human being, when you're in a situation where you don't have Any of a choice than to have that one So up Okay, so I started to drop a tiny bit, go in a position where nobody can really get me and see the field three quarter. So that's what always, I'm sure you remember I used to stand in between the oring midfielder on that side the right winger No, the right winger the right back and the center back I used to stand in the middle of that square. Use the middle of the four pieces. Yes. So by the time you go who, I'm gone?es true. gone. but what I'm trying to say is if he didn't Tell me that when I was thirteen, fourteen I will arrive I don't even know if I go on the national team because then suddenly, people are talking to you about space and theing turn. That guy made me smarter because without him Suddenly now you're trying to underalye the situation. You know when sometime your coach tells you something about a team That's their weak side, that's their weak point. And and sudenly you put your head up and you're like, But the boss told me It's not it's not What's happening right now Do we have an overload? Do we have an underload? Where do I play? And you on the field, whereere do you smell that you can kill them If I didn't have that coach that walked that up then then Irain the brain's the muscle in it as well what it needs working. And you know, what you say there makes me think we spoke yesterday when I saw yesterday about this They maybe think about asking you, but you've bought it straight to the front Where does Tier Roni then fit in as a striker in today's game? because there are always two wide players now and there is a number nine who normally, it seems to me is facing the game all the time. backack to play. If I go back my time and I look at strikers sometimes I feel a tiny bit sorry for them because I playing in the fourth for two And I used to love to move and If you stop to move and go everywhere and you don't occupy the two center bies. The two ster backacks shall I say and you have to always stay there K of not going right, not not going left Wingers are ironwide early Where is the space to run into Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm just trying to play the devil's advocate at here and saying and saying that. it's like For you before If I flip it for you because your ask medication same with you. I know you would have adapted, but Before it was always you and overver striker always and you o to be Aare Oh team could have hurt you before. straight away because a flick, you don't. Now When that ball is played to the lone striker. As to hold it r are theyre looking for a knockdown? He ask to all these So You can put one in front, you're behind or whatever it is. But back in the days you would have had to the flick of Ski forwen Suddenly' on top of them then long ball flreick, boom g on you like. I'm just I'm just saying there's a lot of things that we can compare on it compare. I don't really like to compare stuff. I'm just giving you an example. of how the game has evolved and changed. We went from when I arri in England Go as quick as possible forward. whether if it's into the channel in the air of Rlletin then Everyone started to talk about The olding midfielder, the best is you need to find your olding midfielder inside. Then we go to the wingers ronwide. Teams are responding to everything that I'm saying It's very difficult to play through a team now through You see howly Okay, so now when you look when there is a switch, if you're a wiger When there is a switch on the winger And the only nine went ballside And there is a switch. The baller arrived on the ring. far away. Who did you play with? It's far away. doubled the triplled up How do you That's why if you look at the numbers of wingers This year I bought from Moszala And last year, the numbers are not that high because teams are not giving them space anymore. It's not easy. dribbling Being in a one v one and being in a one v three It's not it's not easy, but look I don't know what I would have done. I would have tried to adapt. I had to deal with that when I was also to Barcelona. I was very different to the way I was playing atrsenal, freedom, do whatever you want run anywhere and youew at Barcelona Hails on the line don't go too early When we have the ball when Eriic Cabid had the ball add to run in behind to free the space for Andres Sesta and a new nighttown of the time a nightim Sorry out of ten that b was never coming But if I don't do that or so you don't create space and you want to win ultimately. so you run behind and you create space and you see what's what after about You know, I'm not so much and I know I understand the question obviously but This is not our time This is that time. You just mentioned Barcelona and Pp. You've been Tieron Rie The legend, the icon, the main guy the go to the face of the Premier League for how many he years, okay? Then you go to Barcelona. And you've got messy saying there And here's that for Barcelona. How do you go and then adapt? your kind of approach to the changer and the environment the games Knowing that he's the main guy at the club reolds your respect Beating was key and you would understand The most important thing at the end of the very day, that was my mindset. Obviously now You see different things or you can transcend people, inspire what you can transmit to people, right But when I arrived there, That's what I had to do at Also for the team to work You arrive somewhere else It's not what I wanted to do If you if you ask me how I like to play, that's not exactly how I like to play the way I was used at Barcelona. This is not my club We're not here for me I didn't win anything there. You listen, you arrive And then you try to see how you can help the team the best way Um the best way you can because at the end of the day, I always say to guys. What does the team needes. best player. One of the best players in the world goes to Barcelona and says I have to sacrifice parts of my game and what I like doing the bity It's not Sacrifice is not the word because Okay, boom You have the great family too When I arrived it was Reenarddinio Renarddino letter again the Dco left and brought I left to Ram left people forget that's my first year Y, Yuri. Chabinia st fel Mares, Puol Pickky came and became Picky And I'm not going to name the whole squad, but You arrive there and you look and realize the way I am, I've been educated that way We'll ask, you know, if if someone come in Malan and try to I will always stand my ground. But you also knew that you didn't win anything there I didn't win anything. I won stuff in my career, but I didn't win anything there. so you arrive. and you just kind of You just like Soorry it' like I'm laughing, right I it win anything ye? there. I understand that there a bit yeah, but this is a World Cup winner Euro' winner with France is won everything other than the Champions League with Arsenal invincible And then you're going, this is what I'm saying. So I'm just transferring this to a young real Yeah, no you can do that, but what I'm trying to say, this is what I'm trying to say like it doesn't matter What you won will not change, but I'm arriving in the dress room wearing that jersey. I did not win anything Zero Gu that are in front of me in some too Un' meiss see in Rralinia when I first arrived. Just those names his Mady makes me love There's something that people I still went That's what I was going to say. A lot of people will would be scared theyn't go. Okay ye Ster want. is above everything and that love, love, love, love, love, love Al small. love A more Like it changes my You know, I won' go same with you United. we go extra when we talk about the club that we love, right I prefer competing is above everything for me. especially competing in training That's where the hardest games are. It's above everything and I always say And people always say, o, you love love, love, love, love., whyy did you leave? I said I love my family but I left my house. with miles because Ping is key I didn't know I was going to start. Were you was told no I was excited I was told, I wasn't going to start Before you signed? Yeah. see All men would have gone nahah, n nah. That's not familiar. level. I was stld, I wasn't going to start and I will share it on less money The what you was at Arsenal? Yes. See I thought you went for the money work. No. Competing is everything like When I don't compete the normal competition that people like Not the same the saying like whip as that now. I'm not, you know But I'm not the same Again, I go back And I have zero problem humidity ski Ah now you arrive somewhere. That I want and you come and you want no I'm going to let you know. Yeah shhut up And when I Rb Asen, it was the same thing. I'm worldld Champion World Champion for France But I didn't win anything. else know. So I'm looking, I'm coming after Nicholas Anka, which I thought people Forget one of the best nine I've ever seen People don't People don't remember about Nicolas Ananelka, onene of the best nineen I've ever seen. So you come after him It was destroying the league. you remember my socks over my knees, my light blue gloves, short sleeves, people like what At the end of the day, I always say, it doesn't matter what you have. it's about what you do at the moment that you are with that team. That's the thing and You just you just have to not be dumb and understand what it is. You look in at the dressing room lookingking at where you are and you understand What you need? What can I do For this team win. lookook what I want to do And I think that's why when you reach and you know when everybody in the team thinks about what the team needs. You unstoppable. Yeah Ego has to take a side a side step. Ego is very good. You should have an ego Embrexit for the good of the team that Let's stick on Message because we're at a passwer at the moment for a few minutes and When you've got someone like Messy, your is the team and yourself individually approaching things differently? like I'll give you an example where Christiana when he was He won the Balon Dor on his last year at May United. but wait We were able to let himim be free. possession especially to a certain extent where knowing people would fill in because you knew when he got the ball, he could make the big difference for you to win stuff as well Was it like that at Bara with with are messing It became like that because he showed us that he could Do that. They sound a jal When you see the guy in training, the way he is, the way he trains, the way he looks for his body because one thing that bothers me These people always talk about our great eies and I mean What can we say the way he goes about his life What do you mean, like like haveave you seen his body ripped. That's what I'm saying. Like P people always talk about talent and They work They work hard. you know, he thinks football as that's why is possessed So when you arrive in a dressing room And you see a guy that can score four in one hth I'll run for you. Yes He can make me win I run for you Yes, of course, I want for you. And what's the issue? Now if you're not that guy, I don't run for you But is you talk about his mentality because a lot of people talk about we see a lot of players who are goals scorers and great players over the years They they're outwardly open and obsessed with that numbers goals and stats He doesn't Well, I I haven't spoken or heard anybody talk about him like. I've never heard him speak about it Surely you can't get that amount of goals and consistency without being obsessive with date and numbers and. But when you talk about that type of stuff, you numb him he lets his left foot talk If that's the thing, you will never hear Leil saying' the best or anything by the way. notothing What he used to do, as I said, I saw the beginning of the Frakicks. So I used to come in training I think it was my second year yes. Yeah is taking free kicks. and the friakies were not great. as you would at the beginning So I'm like, I don't think there's going to be something that you will ever master But my point is, obiously a joke. But my point is repetition is key, even for the best That's why people do not understand, Yeah, there is a gift. Yes But you have to work it This guy was coming taking freaks, hing the wall day after and ended day after. And now More often than not is three kicks so or the goalkeeper saves it or it's a goal or hits the crossbar or the post Because people talk about fakicks Look at how many time he hit the target. How many frerees did you score and how many did you take you know, you have to see the accuracy of it is just on everything. like And I know and you know Ryo command. hard it is to be at the top and to perform. justust later. to st I don't know. I really don't know. This is why for me those guys with him and Christiano I've I've M thans not it's not so much football I'm not saying You know, what they've done is like I don't even understand it in terms of numbers be able to stay there formm, the way they work, the way they This is why sometim when people As me with is the best on the best I talked to you the other day about that Why are we trying to compare two greats? Let'sjoy them. Because when they're going to be gone it's going be we're going to all be sad And even when they're going to be gone, I don't technically want to compare them anymore what they brought to the Christiano needed Leo Leo needed Leo needed Sia Christo think need I agree with that. I think all greats in different sports when it's tennis wh it's F one or whatever it is boxing they all need that other great like You can see Christiano, I think it's more open with that, right that we've You obvious' lived and breathed with Leon O Messy for a period of time as well Could you feel that when you was near him? Oh yeah but even not near him. Everything hisZora was big in terms of He just wanted to do if he score four, he wanted to score five, five, six, six, seven, seven, eight So just imagine when he didn't school, but I understand that. Was he mad in a change ro him if he didn't school? Yes, he was mad also when he did. But you know, I don't know if you saw I did something recently on Brain of Fanal Days and I know you like Brain of Fannelays. I'm sorry, I' sorry I am likeke Why people always raise st. They want to talk about staff when the guy loses Abssent blling fun on this haaving a good at people after wins after like one That's our liilies, That's how Christiano who is that Sathan these guys that think differently do things differently And if you Always want to reach perfection, which is impossible That's what they want to reach If you don't understand what's happening in the I would always say' put it this way Do not try to understand a genius Just enjoyed them because yes One time maybe Out of ten, maybe two time out of ten, you will go like Is he serious? likeike Why does he do that But the over at times You will go all the way Is he serious? Why did he do that? Well with ask some out Let me take the eight. I can deal with the two where you like Oh my go, that was a bit too much. so You know When you have something that's your trait of character, And people just want to raise it because you lost I like that. Yes, because you don't have an issue with you. You're a coffining guy Sometimes it's tough when someone is not that confident and they see someone that confident to come and say something to go back to Leo again Like what I've seen and the way it goes about the game and The way makes No Sorry Try, people better. Dit Did he do stuff in training that you think I have seen stuff no one seen. 's for sure Like like we've seen greatness, but is he doing stuff in training? because I see a lot of players are better in training sometimes even in in games So let me put it this way. because we're talking about him I didn't play with the other big one Sometimes you see a great player sccoring a goal And because you played with him, I'm going to use you, I'm sure the same you message we pull You see that go Trust me what he does in training It multiplly by ten. right. Weve l is the opposite He did it in the game Do you understand the difference? Yeah He did it in the game. It's not like he score that one in training he did that as well What he did in training did it in the game And by the way, out training the players that you have you' playing against The level is there It's just notnormal That's not normal. If you go about the real can't even startop to exxplain to you what that guy has done. Right man, we' got load still to comeera out on this pod, but we'll be back shortly after this. talking about people on that level, Pep Gardiola. you was one of these players he did he add anything to your game that even yourself, you didn't realize You are missing In our time, let's' be honest, there were a tactic against some teams Other than that, it was a bit of not a bit a lot of freedom, right This team is this, this team is this, this team is that, theyre not great there, they not great day. but we're going to play our game. I know you guys when you played us, you played us differently than you were playing other teams, but maybe one or twice during the year, that's what you're doing. If not it'smind United, you play your way, but you have your thing, you're sure about And this guy arrived and started to describe what was going to happen the day after. to the T. to the movement. in the happened You know, I'm looking at all them Like if you make that run comes it and he comes that. I never had a coach that used to coach stuff offensively Do you know what I mean? Like the shape and then offensively is more like You guys do you in a certain way, right? did day I was catching everything apparently of the last third. And then you go in the field and it happens And I'm a dumb ' like Sometim I was st talking, I'm like, that's never going to work did work kind of like That's a bit much now. So that's why then after you buy in because staying eye and wide. sometometimes I could see that the eyeline of it' in the eye And, you know I'm like I can straight awayay run and make a run and bend my run. None of stayy and white. I'm like And then after see that what he was saying was working. so How are you going to complain if you're winning games But the way the level of details that he puts in your head 's a lot. It's pretty intense. It's not always easy during the all year or two years or three years it can be pretty heavy, Tactically, what he is second to none And I' said it so many times, it's so clever. sometimes it is too much Pretty intense, though. is intense As you can see even at At the end of games, the guy will still go on the field and talk about pass that was didn't happen minute seventy with the guy on the field telling him they won five meil. and he's still talking about that pass. You know, but I like that I love that. There's something good about that. I like attention to details That's, you know, that's That's him. The controlling part is funny that you You talk about that and I talked earlier about the risks players the risk that players don't take anymore is sometimes managers are so scared of the counter that don't want to lose the world too early the one to stay in the half of the opposition. but then sometimes you have a one ofiew one, but maybe your team is not there yet. Do know what I mean? It say recycle rec Yes And if you was in that position, that's what I see sometimes I sense when I watch you on TV, sometimes I sense Y frustration that. You work all week, to create a scenario to create a one B one And then when it happens in the game, plays are turning away from it. That's a personal thing And sometimes I am not in a dressing room to understand what they worked on, to understand what they're scared of. And there was a start let's see that I think I don't know many gl r on counter in the pr, was it was one of the record or whatever. So people are scared to see how quick the wingers are everyone is scared of the c of for me. ball on the side I see grass, even if I don't see grass behind you. but I see grass, grass, sorry behind you Even if it's a one v two It's on You'er run off the pitch once again. It's u Ryo it's on Again, understand me well. I'm not saying I will beat the guy then and I said it so many times by the way Denders stop me wayay more that are passast them You stop me way, way, way, way, way, way more than I passed you Anyone All you need is one or two. that's all I here. So then you have to But to reach one or two, sometimes you need ten But if you don't reach ten How you go one two Ill make you tired If always recycle Recycle No, let's go push the ball Stop, dum me, go back no, I don't back up Dummy coming, go behind You know You don't see a lot of wingers now making runs in beyond O the Overmas run. Why no that's what c. I look at and think if I was coaching, why is no one coaching these guys this? orr is it more the system is more important than this individual getting Aitude, people are scared of counts. So that's why you see sometimes Whild the team is attacking they already position their players. to stop the counter, which by the way, it's normal. But then what you have is For example, you have the ride back already going inside On the winger, the bull is on the other side. But in my time and your time, maybe the right back would have been on the line, ready to overlap if there is a switch Do you under what I'm saying? again, you go back to different things and yes, yes, everything, everything is a tiny bit more controlled People have sts the st that you have the season how many goes you considered on the cross. how many goes you considered on an insinger corner, outsinger corners. So all those infos that you have, once you have them, you can't act like you don't know them But if it is that why to Leminia Mal now. Maybe even Allyice is walking into like into the area of like That's why people look at them like, these guys look different because they're doing things that I remember used to be quite normal Yes, but You have to give to flick and Vincent Company T tell them to dreb them. Michael Liz there asked him, I see you f he said Yeahah, when the boy is there, we are encouraged to dribble can see that Lemon Yeman when you have the bu even from Darfwland or even from his own books, he is trying to turn people and go inside, outside. left chop right glow I love it. But that's what I'm saying. So also It's two things What? you have done. approval of the coach are yourself Be you and forced the coach to allow you. So I was a tiny bit more like that. I was a bit they look, by the way, stubborn As when I r Aronutle, for example, I used to get killed at the beginning drifting away from the box. Ch They could hear the Arsenal fans saying Get in the bugs. you know, stay in between the posts, get in the bugs, when you will never score Thatdly you bend one. You go outside, you deliver a cross with your left assist Oh okay, do you. Thank you. But you've got to be You got to you gott to show that you can liver If I was weak mentally So that's why is it Gorge Or is it also sometimes the player? No, no no utable like you then Ed anazard. I'm sure sometim you must have not Done what I in the content wanted But then then he takes the bully dble six and Blling goes in the top corner. We' all celebrating him I part if youre the shels if I say If you see these type of goals, I don't care where you're from or who you support You want to see that. But then For example, you can give him any tactic, anything, don't do this. It was like he was like, yay And he goes and take the w and does what E Idenazar does. Cn' this guy be like because I know you coached him. I know you would have been across what he's been doing And at times you see even Ppe Guardiero is like What' you doing? I've been there, Turkey I've been there. Ryan is And again, I said it. I said it so many times and I will say I said in the press conference when he was my player on the twenty one on the twenty F the Olympics I've never seen Player dribbing like he can with both of his feet. And people don't understand when I say that I'm not saying he has the left foot of Messi or the right foot of Zidan Both so comfortable both. No, but both restes. you can do it can do like anythingything that you can do and pgging the ball without any taking a run or less Skills Anything normally, you know when you comes to do something very difficult, you take your good foot So he it always a preference he can he can he can drag cross l he can drag across a variety. You can An thing, I've never, ever, ever seen that in my life. But then also there is something that's called playing of the ball. I always say to people, however you want to look at it. People always talk about transition, low, high, mid block There's two things in the game. You you have the bullon when you don't have and more often than not Not only as a team. As a team sometimes You will have it more than nvity as an individual know I have to b How many time you touch the ball nowhere near as much as people think That's what I'm saying. So Work out Help your team As he got down in You know when you get the test of silver Ware And you're like, oh That's what it is Okay, I like that Ryan will always be a guy that plays differently But like I said, and I told him already Do understand? What it needs to do off the ball It is because the way the way than he can what he can bring Oh. team and how he does it and is is u special player, but can see also sometimes struggling with some stuff. but When you u reach a certain level of how you see the game Sometimes he will, yeah, like Beb say L I said also at the time You will flick something at one point and you're like, wow And end up some of the times say no you don't have to do it now and then you might consider counter or whatever But ultimately for me where it is with him, like I'm happy with how he progressed. And now he sees the game and now he is that would not change, but then he can be a really, really, really special player. Im talking of special players and obviously he's French and looking at the World Cup in this World Cup The matter of attacking calend that they have They must be one of the real strong contenders. Youve got Du Eise, thenvelle Bape, Ryan, obviously, and then behind that there is a load of other talent choose from Re, the most important thing and I'm not going to talk for the addition because of the amount of respect I have for him because to be able to pay two World Cup finals, win one, obviously lose one G to the semis of a Uo and the quarter and then win the mission league lose the final of the eo. I mean If you look at really ridiculous, it is ridiculous. So But what the most important thing is the balance of the team. The balance of the team, if those guys are winning to help each other. in any circumstances. and so I would like to say yes because the last to walk up We went to the finals So it's not a lot in historyory that the team can make three remember we was together give yesterday, you said something and it might even transfer to this conversation You don't always necessarily want the best players. No, I said sometim less is more because sometimes that's why it can become difficult for a coach because When you have a guy, only one or two guys that are your go to players, then you one one and two the all the team knows that it's one and two. And when you have ten? I always say that efficiency is sexy Yeah lot it People always go like, did you see the step of her I' like, Y,s likey, forive my ice cream And and then the ball at the top like you giveave it to me and he falls Like I hide it, but I didn't have it Like you're showing me everything. Eiciency is sexier. S it again. Nike. Stepovers and stuff and chop, chop. yes, but you got to be efficient. But what does Ebapo need to add to his games, you think to go to that next level? S he's great. He' won World Cup He's a superstar. to go to no one level When you think about what you just said, razy I know, know I know know because he's on a crazy doing on the moon. Yeah Where else is gonna go Not a lot of people can make that trip We're talking about a guy We'll go and get the records of the guys we talked before What is next level for Like yeah, okay, he didn't still win the Chapanions League He still didn't win the Barough. And so even if he doesn't A the end of his career Even if he doesn't carry on having this type of career Sometimes we're asking a lot about those guys like But But should he be going to Real Madrid or is that the expectation? No. Okay, so that and take making that hes club, making that he' team. Yeah, Okay, like when you go to a big club like that, you always get judgeed on what you're not doing or what you still didn't achieve doesn't matter. You can score for the next game, you don't score they like, what's wr with him You know, you can be on sixty goals. you miss the goal a penalty in a semifinal like it wasn't up. up to the level of the standard of what the team is about. But When you go and play for Realm Madrid, you get judge on how many Champions Leagues you win which is unfair true But for any other team in the world. It's unfair. I know great players that never won the Champions League and we're not judging them because they didn't win the Champions League. We are judging them on how they were What they give us? and how much joy we add when we saw them play. You have guys that never w to walk up office in our Kilion playing is active. we always like Yeah, but he still didn't do that, you know You know, he still didn't do that. He still didn't score one hundred in one year. like who scores one hundred even in their career You know I'm offiously joking, but I'm saying So sometimes I just I just, you know what? The guy played already two finals of the World Cup Both of them got a hat trick in one And we still like, ye, you know what I'm not too sure And yes me first when sometime I' watching play. and he finishes a game, I have to talk about what happened in the game How come maybe he didn't perform with his team but he wasn't alone. So you're going to talk about a situation in the game. But when we talking about his career and Kilanim Babi and it's not over What I can hope for him is to if he can win another worldld Cup or win the chup and say with Madrid or those not really my team, Madrid, but I wish that for him. But You know when sometim You have players for me on the other side of a certain line is like when sometimes people are calling killion on some stuff that it still didn't do. s it's a bit harsh, but I guess I guess that's why it is. And I've been in that situation sometimes where But that's what happens with the greatsn't it? Like you would' have been judged like that The guys we were talking about before, all of the great like that it's almost like a compliment. It is in a way. you have to embrace it. This is what I is good what it just said because I always say If people don't talk about you, it's because you're not important and also Just embrace it. That's the only way you can embrace it. makeake sure you're going to work hard, makeake sure you're going peopleople wrong. But you know, when Sometimes people tell you like what's your goal in life. I said, as long as I'm in the race and I can run There's no finish line The most difficult thing is when you're not in a race You can Wh am I running? But if you can Oh where is there's no finish line. running. We're here in America and obviously the World Cup is here and it's on now. You obviously won it in ninety eight And I was looking for your squad You had yes, you had great players. But do you think it's equally as important for a team is going to win the World Cup, you have to write characters and personalities within that and just talk to me about those in your school. I'll be honest with you. We had a team where I'm sure you' about the time Jorv was playing in Italy T Ram was playing also in Italy The dan was playing in Italy I think Christian Kristian was already at Madrid Guys were playing in big teams, playing big games every weekend. I was still in France at Monacu. And I think what one thing that was very important is that we had winners and people We had winners And something that people do not want to mention We failed So I wasn't part of that s because I was too young. We didn't go to the World Cup in ninety four We don't go to the W Cup in ninetighteen ninety. And so people always go like, when you see the squad, you got a cup Oviously, they wn't got the team they had none off team almost had a lot of those players that didn't make the worldup in ninety four You failed Now you're playing for some of the best team in Europe in Europe. So you're preparing yourself And what's very key in order to succeed He fanning You need to fail People always don't want to mention that you need to fail. I remember the first time I went in the under the fifteen on the sixteen and I'm sure you know the feeling ing for France and I went I was rubbish, I wasn't good. and they never called me back said I don't want that feeling again Don't want that feeling in. I don't So I played I played differently So Failure. preparing, being in some of the best team in the world in the world. thoseose guys were our leaders When you look at the way we want it The games were not from Braant Watch them. We w a penalty Golden goals We were hard to meet thenen we elevated it to play a bit better at the Euro two thousand at the very beginning, that one hundred ninety eight we were so rigid and tough to beat. It was you know Not to rub it in with set pieces or whatever, but we scored two goals on set pieces in the final U Lanon to Rome that we used to pass the alway line. sccores two against Croatia We need a golden gold against Paraguay, We wanton a penalty against Italy. Look, I always say that I repeat I repeat that all the time. You know when you miss two wo upps And just what I've mentioned to you. What else you at home you want have another Chance You cant top that. There's no way you can have a better chance than that. First and foremost having a walker at your place. so I always say to people when they say Whatatever situation it is. it can be that one is aaterial. o my God, you came out of that or you guys came out of that But we didn't have the choice. If you only have one choice, then you don't have the choice That's the only thing that you have and you don't have in the world. So human beings usually when they are in a situation where they don't have the choice to perform to love her to go for it You talk about captains in that team and their personalities and You've played with the likes of Adams, Viera, Didiera Samps Zidan, etcetera Who are the leaders in today's game You go, oh there' there bring me similarities there see trits It's very difficult You see managers being leaders from outside and they kind of a bit controlling. everything You know, I played against you so many times and when you had y I'm not going to repeat what Baken used to say on the field Dious But you needed also to be equipped Take what the leader was going to say And we live in a society also now. you can have, you know, you can see the Caniseer leader. You can see guys on it. You can see Rubnd Dias A Man City, Days, Benado Silva. I can you know, I can give you names of players But there's something that I always saying. People always talk about and leaders. and always flip it whoever the leader is that sometimes we don't know too much about. Not the guy that has the arband. that doesn't, you know, sometimes the guy are arband is the leader, but you have more leaders in the team. Sometimes also you have the guy that will be and the guide that will lead just because of how he plays And you just just you just follow and then you have guys sometimes both for example, for me playing against you guys, right in at de Bat trick at that you know, guys that like we' talking and also if I was doing it And I was so like, you know, if you can't do. I'm gonna do myself that's what I'm saying. But they're always going to tell you what time it was, but you you need to take that in also. Lastly, I want to finish off with Harrry Kane U obviously because England and what he's doing What do you make of his career So fun, do you think he gets the respect that he deserves? I think at one point people were confusing one of things What do you want? and how great of a player is two different subjects And why I will give Arican a lot of credit, a lot of credit. I did an interview with him on purpose because for me, it matters assist I never used to like when the striker used to go they don't feed me Go grab your plate and serve yourself food man L sometimes people cannot help you. L at the end of the game, I always hear like guys who are like He didn't have any he didn't have any any service What do you mean? so So you can go that's it. No. do something, work And so You could see that you could score goals. I mean, it's a given. I remember I asked him a question And I said, do you think you have enough assist? He said, No, and I don't like it, and I will work on it And he did. now. What? No? So I always have time for people that can always go like look, I'm a Gc feed me This is my job.m I'm not going to do anything else. That's how I am. That's how Nbody would have complained No, you wanted to be better. You wanted to be complete which he can play he can play against a team that plays low. He can play behind the striker. He can ping a ball he can do whatever he wants is complete. I like also Jul and Avaris because you'reking them now I'm going into tonight. I like I like nines that can do virtually everything. I don't know if it's unfair or not unfair, but now he's getting his rewward. and why? Because he's winning When you win evalidates what you're about before me L and you know he played for Tottennam. so it's something that I'd like to shout about When you're good, you're good, it doesn't matter what shirt you're wearing. the way he plays. If you number if you want to be a number nine U You need to look at him and now he goes about the game. And again, we're talking about a guy that. things the game. and if you allow me, I'll finish with that. I always You know, and I'm sure it must be the same especially more with you than me I'm sure. You know, when I'm you must be on holiday and some guys are. I'll seeing you the G like Re you? M you one v one. I'll pass you You know, S with Tery and I'm like I'm always like Do you think you can play football? No And people are like, Yeah yeah, I can play. when do you think? you think because I used to argue with people trying to expain, listen, you don't understand. And I always used to set up people. Why would you I would never go to Louis Hamilton and as see minisirl and say, you me now No. No, you know. You stay in your lane. Ill always say that but my thing now, when someone says to me Sry, you know I can play football. I always go yeah, you can I always say, yeah, you can I think you do But I used to think it and that's the difference between me and you. Be when you guys play used to think the game. And so for me, it is a difference because if if you In fact, here we're in the room If you said to a kid kid. So I bring you back to the beginning Jo Iam Francisco Filo. Basically what he told me is Sing the game If you say to a kid, we're going to play and then we're going to think You stopped with your brain in a different they approach different. of course it is different. thinkink But if you're not told that early it's very, very difficult. That's why I always say you need to trarein the brain. repetition creates habits. We're in a room here right and Not once The once You guys, me are you said we said to ourselves We need to stop and breathe because we're going to die do you do it automatically. Nobody has said, I need to brehe because I'm not going to survive. It comes naturally to breathe, right This is this is why it is. If you if you train the brain and you repeat stuff, And you find a way to make it natural. This is why sometimes you see guys, why did he do that But how many times did you see that guy repeat? that same action in training and same of. So it comes naturally, but technically you're still thinking it. You're not realizing that you're thinking just like breathing. You don't set to yourself I need to breathe., it's not a die, you don't. it happens And so that's what those guys Those guys do really well. Everything that looks complicated looks natural because they repeated it so M times Messi and Bapee Cup final, fee for World Cup final Wh is your money on this time It's not even money I'm to French It's It's, you know, sometimes you don't stop and appreciate what you're looking at J someone told me And we had our issues with France. It's not like, oh my Godd But in the last seven World Cups, we played four finals this is what I'm saying. And sometimes you kind of like, o, Boring they should do more Yes, yes. Yes. But when you stop is the reality is in the last seven Wc of findes, we were four times there So As a French guy, offic I'm going to tell you All the respect I for all the respect I for everybody I wants fans to win. like you want England to win. L it's not even a money thing. It's just like a normal thing. I want M Bape to win, score six goal in the final and whatever it is, we all know it's not going to happen never know, but you know you know it's not going to happen. but Sometimes along the way and you know that for you, along the way of being successful and performing and competing We forget to stop and go like You know, at the end that bad, you know You know what I mean? You forget, it's always more because those guys are still active. so it's more. and everyone is thinking, I know already What about if R do wins this first one You know, people are it was the same thing Leo Messi might win his first one and he did So I will always go with France. It'ss just a normal thing C, you've played in England, you know the temperatures like? You know what the expectations is like for England players when they go to a World Cu. We're all under pressure France, Brazil everyone to be under pressure, but you know you've lived in England, you've seen it and breathed it Do you have any doubts One England can win it until Harry Cane can shoot us that final and win it first It depends on how the teams going to play. if you put Arican in any situation because you look at the last euro P on the counter was difficult for him Big spaces No And he plays in a team that dominates and move as a block together is unstoppable And I think you have to give to wholeul a lot of credit that team team right now in terms of how they're playing and the amount of opportunity they have and the amount of opportunity they score and now they move together to make sure that he can be inside and there is no the distances on are not too big. because suddenly You could see at the Euro and the distances started to be a bit too big. What kids up to play And So you need to understand, this is your guy then you need to find a way to make sure that he can shine. and we're not going to see his weaknesses. We need to see how good is. And so but I'm confident then you know, that's not my job but T h can do that. And we saw that in the games before to qualify for the Walkerp. But do I think that England can win it? I always thought that England could win it. Your team was ridiculous You guys didn't find them an understanding of who should be the guy or two guys because it's not always easy because you guys were all guys in your club and then suddenly you only did one or two in the national team, who was going to be that guy? And it's not easy. but again, I always repeat I don't want to rub it in, but you lost against Brazil in two thousand two Like something like you lost it was my You l again by the way I will go down to say for me That game that game in terms of who was on that field and how he went. What's the game with that welcome I think when I watched that game, I was like, whoever wins this, I think go'll go on and win the walcup. So you lost against that team. It's not like I just think that sometimes seeing it from outside and especially living in England is always creating an issue when there is no issue. When there is no issue, it is always something. With saurgate people are complaining foodboo is not great to whole is great Bening gam is not starting. why? is always Tade is not in the squad. There' always problem Instead of trying to see what the solution can be, you bring problems, but look, it's the same everyw way. I'm just saying that Can England win it? Yeah, most definitely. you have that special guy. by the way, you always have a special guy to be able to win it also like it can be can be Wayne, he can be Shera, can be Geraldland part schoolool. I mean, you whatever sooul whoatever whatever I didn't endorc almost anywhay they can. But I'm just saying that sometimes also The draw tiny bit of lur Gavvenz is timeing. resting deceision of the so many things that you need to have going your way to win a world cup It's so hard. It is so hard. It doesn't just happen like that, but I do believe that you guys You guys can win it, you have the quality to win it. you show that every every game, but Again, We can say that the shirt of England is heavy But I don't know what it is also to wear the shirt of Brazil. That one is heavier.' talking that's heavy shirt. You know, when you think that the guy like Leonel Messi, I think retired twice in a national team because he couldn't for sure That's what I'm saying. So when you think that, you put things in perspective and you're like he playing for the national team It's a different ball game I've waited a long time for this. I've asked you a few times, you're a busy guy hard to track down everywhere on TV every time I turn it on, but you know what, thank you. And you delivered, you didn't disappoint as always Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Good to see you man That was good. We were re done