Management Ambitions and Final Predictions

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Great movement. That's whaty teeen movement. Well yes guys, welcome to another episode of Rare Presents. We've smashed through another week of You know what? This wever, how can we get bored of this? This is a joke Qu lovely man.. Pure taling man. Well before we get into this, I mean, this is the second time we're doing a pod right from here from the Airbnb house we've got here in Beverly Hills in the United States of America Listen, I can't believe it, we're living a dream right But we've had some wonderful stuff going on manand, the host Let's hook us up. a chef to come cook us some food you came to that in. It was incredible. Thanks for having me. Yeah, man. medium rare Yeah abbsolutely. What's better than being out here at the World Cup in the States, watching the games, having your mates over. It was nice to be a fun. We had loads of people here, few people cooking for us and that. You brought your wife over at the. Yeah, that was nice I used to just live down the stre.. know, it's here, so it's nice to be back. It was good to have the barbecue, see everybody, see yourself and the guys and And a few other famous faces that was here? Yeah, we don we don't want to break you I mean let's ment of the famous faces. Whats on if you want to? Well, it was random, right? because we were sitting here just chilling having our food chef around Airbnb special in that. Next thing you know, Ding donong He walks in James Cordon I'm like What's going on No one flinched. Walked in with two big bottles though. Yeah. D didnid't disappoint What is the water Yeah. and, uh And then next thing you know, D Danny Ramirezy Romirez. You know, I didn't even know who he was until Tom from productroion was just like laughing at me because I said, how how you doing? so you're right?? What'd you do What' you do? Yeah ye, like what' you do? like well, I didn't even think you he told me. was really modest. You know. he's a cool guy. You know what? he's a massive football fan as well. He just loves football. so he's like I met him Galax Yeah, I met him at the actual the World Cup. in Washington. We done a little skip together and then we justayed in contact.as Is this when he was se? Have you ever scored against the Yeah, yeahes. Yeah. What did he say? Something like that? Yeah No, I have In the In the Wor Cup. In the World Cup as well. right? So we didn get a long time ago. We're going to get there.ir. Good. But listen, man, we're here obviously we're going to talk about England, but before We get into talking about England. We have a special Irishman here today. This is mrter Robby King.land Ireland's greatest ever goal scorer. topop gof scorer. Do I mean? This is a guy that broke records as a teenager coming to the Premier League. mean then goes to inter Milan with all the like was run out of there when he went there Seedolf. Andalf Sedolf Racobeti Roba This what I'm saying. How old was you when w? twenty? twenty Yeah, it's just casual. I mean, then comes back comes to leads. this is how we know each other really well. We actually room together. We'll get onto this layater, but the guy has gone on and done crazy stuff play for Liverpool, play for various different teams smmash goal records spurs a lot. Obviously one of our focuses is England this tourament and obviously you're an Irish man, but you're a bags manan. you know what it sls like to score goals and you know what teams need to do to win What do you think England's chances are? Listen, I think we we always speak about it, don't we? every four years when when you guys say it's coming home all the time. T too be honest with, I haven't heard too much of that, It' probably a good thing for England. I think England's the squad that England have I think it's on par, I would say with France in terms of the depth Like for example, if If Saka comes off or Rashher comes off You've got guys that can come on just as good. And many teams don't have that apart from France, I would say so I think you have a great chance. I think you'll definitely get out of group, which is always do It just depends when you get to that latter stages, you know, the semifileal A a quarter of funds, who do you get We need to avoid the big teams, I would say, Portugal and Argenta and Portugal Argentina and definitely France Just talking about England and staying on it. I'll Our captain, our talisman, that our hopes Rest on these shoulders Harry Taine You've been a player has just gone in into a tournament and kind of the responsibility and the pressures on you to score the goals to get you as far as you can What's that like for a play gu into a tournament. When I was in the W, I was only I was twenty one years of age, so I still had that No fear, you know. I was always confident what was going to do what was doing Hurry. has had the pressure for a long time with England And known harried the way I do since he was a kid at Tutham Nothing fases him, notothing fes him. You see when he plays for England P and Munich when he's playing the big games Big moments, he steps up, he scores, take penalties. no pressure on him at all I don't think a phase is Harry My only worry would be with England is that they rely way too much on them I think Carry enjys that The worry is if something happened to Harry, who's going to step in to help him, but in terms of if Harry stays fear the whole tournament. I think England have have a good chance. You know, I think It's incredible how great of a player he's become. I was saying to RoN StD the other day He's the one player that I never foresaw becoming this good as a world class player You can be honest, this is real presents. We don't hide. Did you see When he was young, did you think o, he's going to be as gu? No no not as a kid but what I loved about Harry when he was a kid when we used to do shooting sessions Myself and Jermande Fe He'd always sit in the bank. and watch is a fifteen, sixteen Is all the time Studying. Yeah And then when I seen them then When I train went done a few times, with the second team and Tim Sherwood was the was was was the coach You can see had something but there's no way I don't anyone seeing that it would go this far. The good thing about Harry is that As he's getting older He's getting better He's getting back he's developed this game We all know we can score goals, but the way he scores now both left rifle headers But is for me, the most impressive thing of all is that Hell's become almost like a link or playmaker also you can do you can absolutely do everything. so E it He's a nine and a half, ten nine. So you can do everything, but there's not many people. we will probably speak about the strikers later on I don't think anyone in the World Cup can actually do. Wh He gets the ball outside his d is or sometimes un mental Obviously the game against Croatia St you're at the edge there a little bit quiet. I know England's your favorite topic If you're a watcher of the channel. What's your start in eleven, would you say against Cro Ratia I think thiss probably twoo decisions that he needs to make. I think the other nine are probably locked off And I think it's either stones or concer So I think probably everyone would be in agreement. It's Reese James probablyably O'Rilly at left back G' going to start who starts alongside him. So I think it Stoness our concert. you th thinkin are you going to hold the ball, mayaybe have Stones use him as a playmaker from the back or concert and deal with Um with Croatia's attack a little bit And then midfield, I think it's Anderson, Ryice Bellingham. I'd be shocked if it's anyone else. I'd love it to be copy, but I would be shocked. I think it's going to be those that start And then I think it's going to be Ser and Kaine. and then the other question is is it Rashford or Gordon? And I think that's the only two question marks that I have in the team. I think Otherwise it's going to go exactly like that and When you look at what Croatia have got Youre looking at Kovo Chich who hass been injured after the season. you're looking at modudridich who I think he's fought you now They and they don't have the destroyer that they had him behind them and look after him like they did eight years ago, eight years ago when they played England and beat England. So I think They've not got the tools, they've not got the freats that they had then They'll still be organizing and they'll still be decent. They'll still be hard work. I think Morgan Roders might have more of a sniff for the position with with a with two better them fromrom what you read in there and you hear going around at the moment Um, Yeah I don't think it's going to be much different to what Mj just said there. The only thing I would say is that You've got a manager. That's not frightened to make decisions So like everybody probably in England and ourselves played the game would probably go say Bll them straight away. Well if you're talking about The season that Rogers had Yeah It has been been incredible impact he had it As Hada Aston Miller has been one incredible. even J from the start and then the last six months he' just gone on and on. That's why he's in the squad book The manager's got a decision to make. I would say he's probably go Blling, but I wouldn't be surprised either If he did pick Rogers because he's got a bit of Ballsbill. Yeah Yeah. I mean, there's a few players who are making tournament debuts as well. you got to likes of Jed Spence Morgan Rogers as you've said, you know, like importantort is this for them to be cool, calm and collected in this touright Well it's different. I mean, obviously weve played in tournaments and your first game Right about now You're thinking about it as a player and you've got s'n know, you've got twenty four hours of the game. All you're thinking is just get this game here now desperate for it to happen. Timeess going as slow as it's ever been in your life. Every meal you're eating, you're thinking, oh my god, just get us out of the way. Let me play I want to play football and a get And the guys who are making their debuts in tournaments The biggest thing I think is yes, you want to play well, but also you want to find out Am I good enough for this level because you've dreamt about it for so long You've imaged imagined it, you've visualized it. And now we're there. I want to know how far away I am from it Cat I'm better than I thought I was Is this my level? or actually I'm way out of my depth. You want to know the answer to those questions. And again, as a footballer, you always want to play at the highest level against the best And it's aer wracking thing but nerves are good. Even with the People have eleven that you they think of. But you know, every tournament There's a surprise So the player probably thinks that he's not going to get the opportunity to play He could be the one that could come in L' not Joh Andanders most of the games So that's why you should the players is not playing be ready for the moment because it takes a second to get the opportunity As a striker, you're always thinking it takes a second to score a goal. You people come on and for example, became the last on the semifone was the quore fin you scored in the last last minute so Plers is not playing be too stressed about it because the opportunity could come and that could be the guy who could change everything. A guy who's not playing who, I think there's been quite a lot of talk about is Jordan Henderson What is your view on Jordan Henson? I actually understand exactly why he's there. But for a lot of fans, they're just There's not many people on this panel that think that. One over there When you're a manager The P is completely different. You think about things differently I think about the game differently. I watched the game differently now that I did when I was a Plu You can't have, for example, if you have C Palmers, you've got the Fldens in there. you've got four or five players in the one position Rot is spell in the Yes, if you don't play difficult around the play. I'm not saying, but it could be because they believe that they can play I think Henderson knows his role. I think he understands that he might get an opportunity where he might play fifteen, twenty minutes But that Tingers When you're together for three weeks, You need players around the squad who who's been there who's done it and also always something happens in campus O be something you need to senior players maybe grab a couple of young ladds and say, listen in your box a little bit. So you need Henderson. You see The guys speaking about him Bllam and Rogers, how highly do speak about him how good he is around the dressroom. you need them characters around and the manager needs them around as well because I always say me as a coach P players should please the dress room. And it was a big problem Then it comes to me and it comes to myager. Tink Henderson is that guy He's the one that sorts things out before he even gets to the manager where was you in Sidean sorting things out in a change room Oh yeah, mean me and Damen D for kids. We didn't know what was going on. I still can't believe that the Sipan thing is going on. youorry, to interrupt you. for anyone who doesn't doesn't know what Sipan means, what we're referring to, the context is by was in the Republic of Ireland Squad when went to the Worldup and working and the then manager, Mc McCarfy fell out during the tournament and Riin left the tournament. butvly he was there as a kid. This is in two thousand two, right? Yeah. Yeah, two thousand two. Yeah, me and Duff are kind of A lot of young lads in thequad Clinton Morrison we were just You know, and it woke up. Of course this happened, whatever you do, don't watch the movie s pan. I'm thinking that's what happened because it absolutely a lot of crap. I worked for twenty minutes and I walked out U justust to make sure it clear that Yselfves and Damen justuff played at a high level We werere more professal than any would. did that movie doesn't give that to the players, all the players Um Well listen It was two minutes Not even that ninety seconds maybe that Royan Mick W G each And that was it I left. and And that was that wasy because I've been In dressing rooms where we argue with the manager or the players argue happens All the time happens all the time I would just say that the both of them'm sure the sick of it After about twenty four years and they're still talking about it every time the W Cup comes up I'm sure B there are like come on, lets let's move on to this but also It takes away from the fact in the tournament How well we did? How many goals did you score? I scored three in four games. and we got knocked out by Spain on penalties So we didn't we didn't lose a game in ninety minutes. so And we should actually beat Spain in extra time with a better team I think that takes away the fact how well we actually did as a group. But I understand you've got two Ry, who was a legend unbelievable player, you know was a privilegeed to play alongside him It would have been great to have them there. but It is what it is That's incredible. You didn't lose a game in open play. Steve, obviously you're from Manchester, etceter. Did you know that it was as quick as it happened or are you like me? Did you see the dog bking coming out of his house with a dog and you thought, oh, this is a movie? I saw a movie of Sian. I enjoyed it as a movie. and I knew it wasn't This is the gospel of exactly how it all went down because There was obviously parts that were a little bit hummed up like some of the phone calls were furgy and stuff like that, you think that didn't happen I don't I don't even think there was a song in the hotel I was the scene? was it? the scene? Yeah There was starting parties and all sorts of stuff. Yeah. and the massive big picture of his face was there as well, something like that. Yeah, I knew Sy Pam was a big old busust up. And obviously a couple of years later he had the busust up with Carlos Kiros and then Slex Fergus, didn't he? so it's like As a fan youre watching it, you go, is this just what? get' Rking, I don't know I mean'm with two people I was literally in the rooms when it went off both times. So I just think listen, he's a passionate guy emotionally he can be emotional and If he thinks something and feels something, he's not shy to come forward and say it. But not what made him mo he was as a player? Yeah, but and he doesn't care if it affects a dynamic in a changeer room And I think that's where managers probably have An issue with it and they go the ambience and the environment is more important than any individual So if he's going to affect that then it's not for me. That's what a manager would be thinking. So when you've got two strong strong heads in that situation it's going to break this something's going got to give. And the thing is with Ry is that You know, he was in the national team you know, way before me when it was kind of It wasn't as good terms of professionalism the finances, etcetera as it did get better or he wanted him the level where you wanted to manag p I understand that. How b was the pitcher sidean? Yeah it was, it wasn't but the sideipan The whole thing was was a get together. before the W Cup. so it wasn't really a training camp. It was almost a a bondon session. Listen, it wasn't great. Don't get me wr and what Roy said is that the grass should be like this, you know then it wasn't. you know, we should have shouldould be like this our aB you've got here like this. Now, you should have all the stuff that you need to be up a professional football team Roy did tried to change and he did, I think is what's happened? the consequences that is that is still going on to this day, but it's definitely got better with the with the national team. there's there's no question the guys there are trying You know, to be always at a high level like the Premier Lague there but back then It wasn't, but u I understand rise reflective and we all wanted that as players We've now seen France beating Senegal free one and for me the most anticipated game that I've been looking forward to for the tournament and Killy didn't waste any time two goals, no messing around, even their Sbs Bar Cola come on and does a good job but focusing on Ebat This is his tournament. You said earlier on He's got to have a good tournament because the knives are right? What do you mean by that Yeah, I just think that like he scored forty something goals the season before. Last it was Sott Hamm becauseuse R where you didn't w the L league and the Champions League. U That's the nature of the beast that at that football club. Sores I think he scores late thirties maybe forty forty something goals again this season Same thing, not happy still murmurs around him as a human being and they're looking for things to hit him with So coming into this tournament, I think there was a lot of pressure on him. I think there's huge pressure on everyone But when there's a real massive expectancy because of what he's done previously his club but also as a worldld Cup winner So He comes into this and I think I could sense relief in that first goal definitely and he just settled down after that. He looked a bit tense before that for the first half and gets the goal and all of a sudden you start seeing glimpses and you go, okay, this could be Woke upp again because he's that explosive. he's that good If if if it happens it clicks for him. he could take over the World Cup and win it almost single handedly. he's that good I think. And Also he's looking at records. and I don't know you probably you're better plac to talk about seeing records and trying to get to him or milestones He's sitting there on fourteen goals. He's two goals away from equaling the record was Mirrusf Closer as the top goals scorer in World Cup history. That's great. He's not even is just about halfway through a career he's not even at the end. He's twenty seven years old. He's ridiculous really. So When you put it up like that, this guy' going he's going to eclipse everybody It's just can you win another tphy An another World cup I think When you When you're a big star and you one the best players in the world You're always going to get criticism even though we' mentioned before about how many goals to score for Emadridpull. When youah a club like Rah Madrid and real was at man United It's about trophies It's about winning. and if they didn't win last year Also, we had a few wins didn't he was out for for a long time before. Ting is when Bapppy is Look at the players that he has around him in France He will always get opportunities to score goals. Alic set him up about two or three times in the game and you got quality players like that as a striker, maz as a striker. prraye Damn the ball. All just be on the shoulder waiting for the movement and you seen the force go with the movement. greatreat movement. That's will be keen movement Yeah, listen, I was for me, I wasn't the quickest in terms. I was sharp over a ten, fifty A way quicker, boy evenven if you're not quick You can set up that little bit of movement and get away from people quickly. And that force goal was a prime example of that gr little movement of the shoulder. I'm sure we' speak about other strikers in a bit Highand, etcetera. is his fourth goal as well That little split movement can kill the Fnish. He's just gone past Jirud as being his country's top goal scorer in history as well. I mean, if only we had someone on our shower that it was the country stop goal score as well. it'd be great to just have someone like that, you know I mean? But This is I look at him and just think like Is he the best player in the world you if you had to pick him or Harry Kane or Harand, who are you pickking? It's a tough one now That's a tough one. This is what you do when you come on the stet. totally different style. Aazing actually do completely different We spoke about Harry earlier on that Harry can do. Everything I would say, and Bapy is more of a player that overver the top. but also drifts a lot to the left or right Harrys more inside the eighteen yard box that can drop deeper to midfield and also even beyond that and pick up the balls also in the number ten position in Bapbay, Canada and Harand is complete opposite in both He's not interested in touching the ball outside in his own half He just everything is is in between the posts in between the posts. and you look at his first goal today prime example of Vambappi. he killed the guy, the defender You know this rail as a striker Once I can see, the defender's name and number. how do you And that was the firstth goal was perfect. That's for me, that's a ha and goal. And the other guys can do something different You can get the ball in twenty five yards corner bothy Hland inside the inside the Postmark So are you ten politician we got sit next Wedesday. What's going on?? No, I just g giveing a perspective of freedom. Listen, if I'm a manager next year I'll take any of. You know what? I have to go Harry because I know Harry since he's and Ill just love what he does, everything but I mean It's a tough O Harry because I know. you know If you're looking for your ninees to be the one that's running in behind, you need Harland. You know, if you've got players like Alis that can find balls the way he's I mean, he was a joke today. u then then Mbae might be the one. I think it totally depes on what your team is, but you I'll take the third pick and they' probably be all right honeston' be disappointed I think. Aolutely. I'm doing a show with James Cordldon, if you haven't seen it guys after hours on on Fox and s Latatter's in the sto next to me, right and What a player? Yeah. What a career he's had U doesnn't mind telling youa, got confidence of one hundred them, which is great and that's probably why he was as great as he was. He said something the other day on A said that No some Alex A Lila said that Harlan's better than Latin which I agreed with, by the way Do you agree with me? Yeah, I do. I think I think a better footballer without doubt is Latan. Okay footballer. Okay. you need to explain this Yeah. I think, yeah I think Zatan's a better footballer. teechnically there's no doubt outside the box, you, you know, he can do anything When I look at my strike car, the number one thing I want him to be able to do they score goals, you know, and I think Nobody does that better than Harand in the box. He's just that clinical. You saw the two goals that he scored is finished, man. that's what you want. I'd rather finish a career with Harlland's career and he's only halfway through his career compared to Zatan's career. that's not to say that Zatan'ans had a bad career, It's not to say think Zatan won something like thirteen League titles on the bounce Okay, great. Is that because Slatan scored four goals against England? you saying no No nothing that' for me I look I look at Harlan and I just think the guysy won the trouble. if I don't know how he didn't win Balondor that year anyway. L I just think you look at those two goals today. we talk about how good and Bape is. The only other person in my opinion that's going it's going to be the in Bay Harand toour him. Okay, so Harand And Bae Kane, who are you take him? Still taking and back er too. Yeah, I'm taking a B overall because he's a better player and he scores the goals. I feel like if you're talking about his Latan, Skillful, he willll give you like great moments, good goals kicks and all that Holland You win you trophies, man? What are you saying, Steve? Is that on our Harllland not even a question. No Me, I would say all Rm player slat down all around play. but We talking about pure goal score. It's definitely Hallen. But as a player You know, me as I love players who can do kind of a little bit of everything and Satan could do that He sees Latin's numbers from thirty to the end of his career. He's got them Hland numbers But it's different L leagues asudo steam, man. my hand's's not ninet minutes and eleven man. like Harand so good that if he bangs in twenty five in the premise a bad season comeome on man. Who's doing that? I think he's so underrated, it's ridiculous because he set the bos so high What are we talking about here? I think they're both great ous You know what we're talking about' talking about strikers is different completely different. And again, like Hallen is not interested in ing deep and get b Slatan did. Slatan can do everything. you can not make someone take tree people along. Yeah. Har is not interested that. It's more of a powerhouse towards the goal. So they're completely different. I think this is a question When Hand has finished career Yeah and what he's done and many goals, but listen, he's going to score He's already w. started He started like a train mate, R he's talking It's just opinions in it who's What do you What kind of player do you you like As a manager You have the choice today, Robby King the manager, who you go in for? Oh. I f you go Hoand. I think again, going back to what you said about what system and what team it is. Yeah you running If you're playing four three three and just want one striker, it's Hallen. because Hes going to sl. themon' do that I slap them willll drift and he come come deep Um But I still think overall, I think as a football player and intelligent wise, I think's slatter. You play free five two don't you I did last year because I had to Okay, I was I was going ask what you So it's your preferenceces forree. of course forreerees my preference. Yeahah. I think I think your coach have to be adaptable depends what pleas you have and and what Haiing Rub, Iin I didn't want to say that. but like you have to change. I was four three three. one I always played in a four four two or four like me in Berberoff as a as a ten number nine. but you have to have the personal. likeike I love wingers. I love wingers and get at people But last year when it was at first we didn't have that we didn't have wingers. And we had We had defenders played much better in a three But if you're asking me now for my next job, if I had the opportunity before tweting or Also I like Two strikers by a striker, who was clever They can drop off and playing that number that number ten That can also score you fifteen, twenty goals. O school. ' talking about goals scs. We'll back to the management in a minute. would you think about in terms of the strikers the depth of strikers You think that depth of quality has kind of dropped off in recent years Was it still there? I think it' dropped off I think also because of the system So we're talking about systems, we're talking about four three three now's one striker when we were playing, it was always four hundred forty two. Andy Cole. Yk I' Mister I Henri Berhamp on Hesky me Berberatov I mean Crouch to fall. Crouch to fall. I mean, Philip SQuinn. op like. So I think because of the system change and way football has gone It's a lack of number ninees, if you like nine What do you think Yeah sorry, what's the difference though? What' explain to the people that are listening or watching Y striker What's the difference for a striker when they're playing a two compared to playing a one? Well For example, I don't think I wouldn't be able to play as in a four treat right now. only. I had to play the two two six is say and me as the total number ten. I think managers like the crowd now the midfield So they like to take control of the midfield. Yeah. So if you watched the who So Bellam is a midfield,ah, he plays his tent. For example, Frank Lampard who was a midfield play his a tent. There wasn't really now there's not many two strikers together. So If you see people playing three five two It's because they have the protection of the three defenders and you can play Then you can play with two strikers penss will sit you want to play with one one, six and two eights and have that little box. So that's the only way you're going to get two strikers in. So I just think now It is a big for for three three and controller in the middle of the pack and also don't really see now a lot of wingers England have to be fair Rashford and Gordon and go past people but you look at most of the Most of the teams in Europe There's not many people that go won be one against against someone. So it's has changed and that's why Is a lack of like a lack of stripance It's magic. You're sitting here now. He' my ex roommate We shared so many good memories together on that You just sound likere you're banging into this management man all over it. and I looked at it before we've been speaking anyway. And we have it in the group we got a leads group guard by the way. What's that group with M Un what's that group with the little leades guys when we was at our time? And it always pops up when anyone's successful or doing anything good and like You've won two leagues and you've won two FA cups basically in two and a half years on your travels as a manager, like you're doing an unbelievable job, man. I realizeed that you know, the lack of opportunities endning the There's been so many players or coaches That is want to manage in England And it's difficult it' difficult to get in. Why is that why Because there's so many, there's so many, youve got these people with the laptops coming in that's never played the game. which is no problem because you got top managers. him over there.. He' got managers that, you know at the high level, but They don't all succeed, you know U so the lack of, I would say the lack of opportunity But the thing is about me, Ro is that I've traveled Since I was fifteen years of age, so I left Dublin to go to England played in different countries. So for me to get on a flight to somewhere two hours to It's no different for me to get a flight from Dublin to London, for example. So I wanted to go and learn learn me trade somewhere else. I've been lucky enough I've been been successful. I think that will stand me in good stead going forward, I think as a Also if you, for example, I went back to England How many English players will be in the dressroom So to learn different not that many. So to learn different cultures and different people, I think that's important as a manager to understand because everyone's different where you come from true. So and I think you have to be If you want to be successful go somewhere else and don't be scared to do. What about like the different age groups because you know managing players in today's football is definitely different the way you guys were managed. How have you managed to adapt so well to that? Because a lot of people struggle in that area Listen, I just think you have to be honest W were players, Wh did you like it or not? I think the most important thing is you sit them down and you tell them why they're not playing or what they can improve on And then it's my job as a manager to help them improve Yes, win and of course you have to win because if you don't win You probably get the sack. By you opening as a manager, your job first and foremost is to improve people So when I was Fnce Farst, for example We had Alex Alex Tod, who went to Borman for fourteen million. He was two days away from going alone to a different team. Wow. Second division team in Hungary. I quick it can change and I believed in them. And then he played every game for me And he was incredible. Now he's got his opportunity We're helping them sitting there when them developing Spe them, how can you be better, how can we improve I don't care whether eighteen years of age or twenty eight, twenty nine years of age You can still improve. You can always improve. There's always I believe there's a ten twenty percent in someombody. If you believe in them and try and help them and given your knowledge that you've had Clair. And certainly for attackking playliers, for example I love being on the pitchure where you come alive. Is that what love about the management? Yeah, I love it. I love when I see individuals Do something special, do something different U that you've worked on. Yeah, and take risks Hey Chris, I'm a riskaker. That's why I went abroad A lot of us think I was like that as a player, you know that I would do something maybe that's someone players wouldn't do And I want my players to express themselves. Also I'm still I'm not stupid either. I still don't concedive goals. So defensively we have to be solid, but as soon as we get to the final third, we want players to express themselves Sow you got quite a lot of credit for the way you handled Nabi Kata, what was going on there Yeah, this Nabby was He obviously came in, he played for Liverpool He won the Champions League and he did great for me last year, but few a few problems, you know, didn't ring up a few times. so You have to As a manander You know, put your foot down Regardless whether a young lad or whher you won the championsion League, everyone gets treated the same What is that? Is that that com in my office or in front of the group? or No, no, no. N in front of the group. Yeah. It's always It's always an individual. Al always in the office. if I have something to sell out,, I wouldn't do it in front of the in front of the group do it as a collective in front of the group, whether that's a team The team performance by an individual Mistake, for example, and we all make them. I've got no problem with that But you do a couple two or three times Well then there's a problem. So after learning your trade and you've traveveled around and you've been successful, you've won leagues and you've won cups U what's the ambition now? England, anywhere in the world? Yeah, listen, I'm very open, very open. ask me to write Uh the right team and As to be the right people, which I think is the most important. You can you can pick the team wh you pick the wrong people then you could get screwed. I remember when I was A few years ago with with You're all goffer, So Alex Fergs he says, make sure you pick make sure you pick the people, don't pick the team As in the club So you could pick a big club, for example. and you get a few months. You look at, for example, of a senior The massive of Cn Chelsea Wh you'tick the right people. So that can be the difference. So I've been very lucky with the two owners that I've had've been very very fortunate with them and that stuck with me what Alex said to me. So when I meet people now, I almost interview the owners. Yeah and to see what they say rather than do the way around. Of course, they have to a little bit, but I kind of find myself asking them a lot of questions and also digging into What have they done over the years in terms of maners? whoo have they sacked Why did this happen? What's the record like in? What's the record like? So I think that's the most important thing. I think Like any manager, you always want to like it was as a player roach at the high level Uh, I know that's not going to happen overnight in terms of the elite teams you would say But I know I'm on the way to do that. and I've got I'm patient enough. And u I'll just keep going and just waiting for the right opportunity. Well good luck, man. You know what It's weird. Obviously we've each other for many years and it's like We room together Whenom was it leads and it's like I think if we room together now it'd be very different to how we roomed together before one next. Yeah, would we sleep with ten'clock. He's mad though. You know, he came up the other day we having a barbecue and we were talking over a couple of beers and you said something that I'd actually forgot about Our ritual the night before game when we was at Leeds together. was, you know, you go into a hotel and you get like a mini bottle of wine, like a little half, half bottle of wine. pop that open And we share a little dairy milk, can't we? Yeah. byy the way, it was this much wine just Yeah, it was' not recommended that to any young players, but it. it was this but. When I was in Italy, for example used to do all the. That's what I'ming you told that was the right thing to do. Yeah. becauseuse you've been in Italy you've been traveling,' been around Raldo and Racobra and all these guys. We did allright me. That is quality, man. Listen England focusing on the game. I just want to get some predictions before we go. I'm going to start off with you Steve because I want to get you out of the way and I know you don't like England. Tell us what you think the school is going to be I think Brozovz could be a bit of a problem and I think they'll score, but I think England will overpower them. I think especially with the age of Croatia's midfield and the energy that England's midfield has got. I think it could be very competitive for half an hour. And I think the longer the game goes on, the more England will stretch the legs. and I think three one England. Butould do you not think with the heat That might help Croise you. Yeah. slow slowly down game down That's what they' good at. So Rodick this is ideal situation because he's so clever, so intelligent. I've been I played him obviously. And if you give him time on the ball, you could be in trouble. So I mean I would imagine the manager would say Get after Magic Don't let him dictate the game. If you let them dictate the game, especially in this he Listen The English Rs were not used to this kind of h. It is it's It's difficult it's difficult to run after a few but I would still think England has got the stronger squad I would say probably inland Wellll be close. Just just on Modrick. what wass he so good at? What's he super strength No real. this is strange because we when he signed and when he came to taught them And we went on pre season thisplain You can he's like this small and he was like skinny the lads you like Force few trying to s she didn't really do much and the aleric. it sure look if it looked a bit weak And I remember after Four sessions had a fibberide like a torum. He did two or three things in and I said the lads heat is good. I'm telling you. And then after that ag just went you know what What? Pler, obviously But what a person incredible incredible person. He's so clever The thing is you think you can get close to them And then he just moves quickly. He gets you around you and even even now you seen him last year at the start of Rac Milan He was running the game. He's breaking records. Yeah dating the game. so He is just a special play on what Chis to still be playing at forty years of agion Wal andcially in midfield So we're not talking about a position that you can kind of hide Yeah. We're talking about a midfield where you have to run around, you have to dominate and that's why if you give him time on the ball he could kill you. Just just on that playerers that you played with your love. you played your like when you went to inter There was Seedorf, there was Ronaldo, there was Racoba is's the area. eight giveive me a little bit about it like what impressed you were there when you went there? like who stood out on stuff Well, I well, they all did because you played at that at that level. You know, obviously Carence, you know, you see Clarence away just past people and, you know, he veryer, very intelligent. He could do everything. could he could bully in the midfield. he could run partia, he could score goals. Roba were talking about someone leftewood. He was just like an incredible clever player But you see it that you know yourself where when you play the high level. You see the difference and how do they think That's the difference between the good players and great players Gy players are always tinking head's like a snooker player You're always, you know, two three shots ahead of what's happening That's why Modrick's saying the ball comes and he knows already what you're going to do And that was the same with seedorf and Robbert. Soet he was different because he was just a machine was up now. Unfortunately, I didn't get to play with Ronalda because he was that's when he was problems with his with his knees, but he was Great guy. we we lived I just lived above him. he had Yeah Tree floororside I had one. but here's Ronalda. But you mentioned Sdorf there didid you room with him? worst roomate ever. And I heard that you had like stories like, I don't know, like haircut stories. Yeah. so Ian becausecause at that time we used to stay the training rround So we're train in the afternoon which sleep It was different day in the morning, you'd have a rest, you have lunch and rest train a five o'clock And I want a little trim he goes, I can do a fire So he gets his clippers out And he did the wrong blade Oh I was like If you see the pictures back, I was actually like where I came back into the de Faling And yeah, so just He just he got the blade wrong. So I went down I went down for a snack before we tried and that's like what's going on here had here A few hours ago. Yeah but clarence got wrong so Yeah. haveave you ever asked you to calluse her to say no. Oh my goodness. quickly Ro, did we get your predictions for England? I'm going to go for an England two nil win convincing win. Yeah it might be first, fifteen minutes feeding each other out and I think England But that's it. too much pace power. Um and for an more of an agent Um Croatia team, I think England left too much. I think this is the time for England to really show S a teeth a bit with St, I'll go free one. He's right theyre aging and I do think attacking wise too much for them man we really do. so Anyway guys, I want to say thank you very much for joining us. This has been fantastic.' baking but in a good way. Thank you. That mean like the crib is nice, the guests are fantastic And we've got a great tournament football coming up Anything else you want to say Ro for the guests? I'm good, man. Thankk you very much. L loveve to see you again. We're gonna to go and get us some food, Nna? Absolutely yeah. Brilli. My shoulder roes are beverly heed Gice, Thankk you very much guys. Keep on watching and make sure you're following socials. There's loads of great interactions going on and stay focused in our group chat as well. We've got the training sessions happening and they will be more so. Well before we go that's something we want to talk about go. We've done one sess together lads. Yeah. I've done five sessions. I' a you little I've done five sessions and I've done four of them on my own I've seen Stee working out. He's got a membership somewhere. I don't know what you're doing. I walked in today And I saw a hell of a lot of food on the table