Isabel's Letter and Public Reaction

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It's not someone that they've been fighting with, which would not even be any sort of justification or reasoning, but it is completely based off the fact that Isabellel Valdez, who is obsessed with Adam Lanza, believes that Adam Lanza is her soulmate thinks that this boy looks like Adam Lanza. That's really the only reason They plot this whole murder. They go and tell their friends Thursday night. By Friday morning, one of those friends has done the very courageous act of submitting an anonymous tip to Fortify Florida, which then alerts the school administration as well as the police of what's going to happen in the school bathroom that day. The police show up, they arrest Isabell Valdez, who very quickly just confesses to everything, The fact that she heard Adam Lanza's voice in her head that she wants to be reunited with him. She wants to resurrect him from the dead He is her soulmate and Lois Lippbert. They both get arrested and the police do the very smart thing of placing them both in the back of a police car, the same police car. I personally think that they drove they took the scenic route to get to the police station because for the next thirty minutes in the back of this police car, the two girls, they say things that can never be unsaid They squeeze the toothpaste out the tube. The defense attorneys will never be able to put it back in. It's damning, it's bad, and this is part two insside Isbel Valdes' back along with the knife, the rag, the trash bags, the gloves, the Clorox wipes, there's a little note left behind And it reads Dear Mama and Papa. I'm sorry for what I'm gonna do. Hopefully you will find this paper. I want you guys to know that none of it is your fault or anyone else's you know, in that matter. I chose to do this myself for myself and Adam Lanza They told me that Adam would come back to speak with me if I did this for him. Adam Landza wanted it I think it's a fair and beautiful sense of devotion on my behalf. I love Adam Lanza We're soulmates, just waiting to be reunited once more. I want you guys to know that you were the most perfect parents ever. I'm sorry I could not be a better child I've known there's been something wrong with me since I was a little kid. I just never showed it. and I'm sorry. I was never really shy. I just hated people and I was aware of how disgusting everyone is. Being forced to talk was torture These rampplings are very reminiscent of Adam Lana. so I'm not entirely sure if this is genuinely how she felt or if this is how she fell into this like TCC community and tried to embody this aesthetic of outcast. I never liked humanity. Mkind is doomed and society has all these values that don't mean anything and we're just imposing values upon others. And morality is not even objective. morality just doesn't exist as a concept I don't know if she just like listened to the fucking five and a half hour ramblings of Adam Lanza that are incoherent most of the time and don't make G sense, but I don't know. if this is how she truly felt or if this is furthering the aesthetic that she wants to be a part of She says, I pretended to be a socialite It is not the word to be used in that context, but to make you guys happy because I love seeing you guys happy. It was one of the only things that made me happy. Over the years, I've just lost control over myself and my emotions. Whenever I told someone I hated you guys, it was a pure lie. I'm sorry forore ever hurting you and I deserve what's coming for me as I am also disgusting cruel and useless Again, these are very reminiscent of the Columbine killers and Adam Lanza. Well actually, maybe the Cumbine killers, they believe themselves to be above humankind and perhaps in an attempt to get Isabell to have some remorse The assistant principal before she's arrested initially asked her Did you consider how your parents or even how John's parents would feel if you went through with this They would be sad I don't really care Did you consider the consequences like of what happens to you if you go through with this jail or psych ward, but it doesn't matter. I was still do it. I want to be with Adam Lanza. She later admits that last night before school she did cry in the shower, but it was quote because She wasn't crying because of herself or her actions, but because of how it wass going to affect others, you know? Also at the same time, she was thinking, whatever, what's done is done. That's what she says. Isabell states that she only feels bad for her parents because they've been great and they tried their best. So back in the back of the police car Isabel and Lois are ranting about how the police were grilling them. Red haired Lis Lippberert, the fourteen year old, right? She's more so the accomplice After police came before they were takenaking into the police car, they already went through a round of questioning. Yeah in the school. Oh yeah. And then as they're walking out, both handcuffed together, they're like, hey best friend. From school to the police car? Yeah. Yeah. I think the only time they look a little serious is when Isbabel Valdes is being read her charges, which is attempted murder. When was that in the school hallway and she looks a little serious But not really. She just looks like a little. There's a whole tape from the school all the way to the police car. There's like six, seven minutes from inside the school. There's a few minutes going to the police car and then there's about forty, but ten minutes of those are after the So like thirty six minutes of them in the because we did a foer request There's about thirty six minutes of them in the car talking, yapping. and they really don't like to sit in silence. So it's like a solid thirty minutes of yapping. And if you're watching the video podcast on YouTube, I'm actually gonna to dump the entire bodycam footage clip at the end of the episode because I've kind of broken it up into parts. but if you want to see the whole thing in chronological order, it's going to be at the very end Isabelle and Lis Lippbert are sitting in the back and Lois, red haired fourteen year old girl, the accomplice is saying, I told them the important stuff. And then they came back and they were like, I'm getting really pissed off. You're not telling me everything. And I was like, I swear that's all I remember. So I just had to sit there for a few minutes just trying to remember every fucking thing and every fucking little detail. was like Oh, so there are these images of Adam Lanza. Isabelle Cuts in. Dude, I forgot what to say halfway through my interview Yeah, that was me for most of my interview. Well actually half the interview was just me being silent and not doing anything because I was hoping I could cling onto the They like you have the right to remain silent, but Loki that didn't work. That didn't really work Is about like, I know because it's like they're just gonna to use it against me in court Hey, why do you have these drives with this little boy? Like hardard drives of pictures of this little boy And then she goes, Hey, where do you have these drives of these little boy? S we Lois is like, he's not a little boy. He's older than you No, he's not. Well, o yeah. Yeah, he's older than you. It's not some little boy. They can't say this little boy, this older boy, this older boy who's abusing me. So now they're giggling and coming up with this idea of trying to say that the victim was abusing them, which he in no world was. And Isabelle finds it funny. She's like Yeah, I think in my dreams he told me he wanted me to kill him, so I think it's only fair. Yeah, o my God, I almost laughed and almost peed myself. This becomes a reoccurring theme where Lois keeps saying that she almost peed herself. So she's like, I almost laughed so hard, I almost peed myself. She's not really laughing in these moments. And I will say, if you watch the clip in its entirety that I'm putting at this end of the video You just see Lois get filled with more and more regret, like both of them. The energy gets more tense. They're still joking around and laughing, but I think it's dawning on them very slowly. what's happening Very slowly. Yeah, very slowly, very, very slowly. ye 'causeuse it should have dawned on them before they even got into the car. So you said there are two cops in the front. Yes. They can clearly hear it. Yeah, because they later talk to them. they interject in one of their conversations. Yeah, we're gonna get there. Yeah. The cops are clearly hearing this. I personally think that the cops strategically put them in the back of the police car together so that they could have this conversation because of course Yeah the more Yeah. And then I think they took a longer route. Because I don't think that it would take thirty six minutes for them to get from the school to the local police department Wow. Yeah. that's true. So do you think they just didn't know there' a camera recording in the car? Yeah, I don't think so.. And that's why a lot of this is where it gets really weird. So there are lots of people in the TCC community. And again, this is not me saying like, oh, I'm part of the TCC community. so I know what they're saying. This is me saying like I was diving into the TCC community to see what it's about. and people were saying, Ohh, they're not real TCCers because they don't know that there's cameras in the back of the police car, but also real TCCers from what I can tell, they still like to post edits of Adam Lasagna with eccentric Euro punk music in the background with rainbow edits because it's so quirky And their whole thing is like, why does me posting rainbow edits of school shooters? does that make me dangerous Yeah, Becky, it fucking makes you dangerous. I don't know what else to say. Now, Lois says with a bit of regret in her voice, Dude I should have gotten my diagnosis before this. I've been talking, I've been talking about that being like, yeah, I should go to a psychiatrist or something and actually fucking get diagnosed in shit. I should have gotten I gotten it before all this shit happened and then I would have some sort of thing to clean it up. Isabella is like, dude, I thought I was going get sent to the psych ward. That's why I was so excited about everything Isabell explains to Lois that she just regrets telling the officers everything I shouldn't have told them all this shit. So I was there and then they were like asking me about the swWatting incident. So yeah, she was trying to get people swWatted. We're gonna get there in a second. And what happened and I started crying because I thought, you know, they were gonna feel bad for me and send me to the psych ward because I was like, you know, I thought about hurting somebody. Yeah, I thought about hurting the boy. And then they saw right through my shit And they pulled out, you know the bag from my backpack. I had to tell them everything that was inside. Later she mentions Dude, I should have told them that. I was gonna tell them yesterday. I was gonna to say, Oh yeah, I'm doing all this stuff because I want to be a police officer. And then she pretends to be the fake imaginary police officer she's saying this to. and she's like, No Sorry She's like, I should have told them that I want to be a police officer. Nope I'm sorry. okay. Like this is how they talk. That's the tone in which they talk. There's A lot to complain about in the back of this police car as well. Lois rants about how cold it was in the room when they were talking to her. It was so cold in that room. I know, dude, they had me sitting there and I was so dude they took away my chocolate. Isabellel because remember, Isabel is the one that primarily wants to kill John Isabelle had asked Lois, the little artist to bring chocolate and doctor Pepper. Okay Lois brings it, gives it to her. And now Isabelle is like, the chocolate you gave me? they took away my chocolate. And Lois goes No. I was able to like eat a part of it. 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FatSpo is basically described as quote, FAatSpo is when people with EDs use a picture of a person bigger than themselves as inspiration to continue with their eating disorder or not becoming fat like the person in the picture So some netizens found it ironic and they made it a big joke of whether or not Lois Lipper used her own friend Isabel Valdes as Fat spo. Essentially everything about this case like makes you want to spiral into a depressive state. Just every little rabbit hole leads somewhere worse. But on Lois Lippbert's Twitter account, she would post a lot of pro Anna things as well as she would document throwing up in the toilet and then she would stick her hand in the toilet bowl and play with her throw up like it was slime and post videos of it. There's also an unverified tumblr account and I cannot tell you if this is real, okay, but apparently this is as well ass unverified tumblr account where she posts I love being fat. Everyone isific significantly smaller than me. and I love small people. I love small boys. I love the thought of beating them up and breaking their bones and then just watching their bodies bruise. I want to touch them all over. I want to see them resist. Probably the first time I felt these, dare I say erotic pleasures was in or around th or sixth grade. I remember in sixth grade, I would go up to people and hug them tightly. I loved feeling them push me away and struggle. I loved the way they yelled at me after We can't be certain that this is Isabel's account, but it's in tune with the picture of her holding up John, almost like she's about to slam him up against the wall I dont think that there's any debate that both these girls are struggling with various mental health issues. but I do think a lot of young girls at that age are they don't go and try to resurrect a school shooter. These girls even giggle, gaggle about what it must have been like for John. Lois is giggling. Imagine being pulled out of class And yah, some girl was planning on killing you. He's probably gonna be like, like he's got to be told. like they can't. And Isabella is like, yeah, I wrote him a note. And I was like, I don't feel guilty for my actions, but I feel guilty on how you were going to feel because honestly, I don't fucking care. Wait what She gave him a letter. She wrote him a note, but I don't think it was I mean it was never given to him. Isabell giggles and says, So are we going to become one of those lesbian couples now In jail? Lois looks at her. Yeah, and you could be the butch and they're giggling and Isabell's like, yeah, hey, hey, this is my bitch. stay away Yeah doing that much in thirty minutes. Yeah. and and catch a break and No Think about what's about to happen? No. And then there's silence You know, which the lesbian couple love does not last very long because when talking with the officers, Isabel already ratted Lois out. Okay, the police officer is even writing in his report because usually when you have teenagers and they their best friends and they're trying to commit a crime, I would say that's maybe I want to say like, three hours in which they might resist ratting each other out. But the police officer writes, Isabellel abruptly stated that Lewis helped her sharpen the knife. Isabell is explaining to the officers and the assistant principal that they were in the bathroom trying to sharpen the knife. And according to Isabell, they ran the knife back and forth along the metal pipe in the bathroom and then they were trying to use the knife to cut Isabelle's shirt to determine if it was sharp enough do the crime. Lois then attempted to cut her stomach in an effort to see if the knife could cut her skin. Is wellell stated that Lois told her that she didn't think the knife was gonna to be able to cut through because it couldn't cut her stomach But it's not like Isabell really needs to quote unquote rat out Lois when there's already quite a bit of digital evidence against both of them. Isabel's plan was to either slit John's throat or stab him in the stomach. There was no getaway plan. Then she was gonna to smoke a cigarette in the bathroom before going to jail and sprinkle flowers on his body or to his funeral. It's kind of unclear which one. But Isabel, the night before, had been messaging Lois over disiscord, saying things like It's going to be over by tomorrow If you have some gloves, bring them for me. Bring latex ones. I'm bringing a trash bag, wipes and some other things. I'm gonna go away anyway. I'm incriminating shit on my phone. Holy shit, I'm gonna make a blood ritual for Adam Lanza LMAO. Everyone who prayed on my downfall is getting their wish I hugged my parents extra tight today. I feel kind of bad for what's coming. He was at fault because he never got redacted to talk to me. If I had him, I would't have been like this. Why? Why John? Why? Why redacted? Why? I need to break my hard drive later. Do you have any extra white shirts that I could use? And the two of them are also Isabel and Lois are reportedly married on Facebook Yeah, ' you know you can just like marry someone. But that's not the important part. The important part is their anniversary date is april twenty second, nineteen ninety two, which is an oddly specific date, so I tried to figure it out and it's not the date of Sandy Hook or Columbine. It's actually Adam Lance's birthday. But in the back of the police car, Is wellell as again ranting about how the police are treating her like she's this dangerous criminal. and she says Dude, they had me going to the bathroom and I had this lady standing in the stalls and they had like two other people in the stall? Yeah, I mean, one of them was standing in the stall. the other two were outside waiting. You think I'm gonna be able to fucking run away. so as well as making a joke I guess her physzqu I got too scared to ask them to go to the bathroom. I low keys still have to go. So by the way, Lois Lippert kind of talks like this the entire time. And Isabell turns to her. I only went twice because they searched me every time and they made me take off my shoes and my socks off. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't ask them. I don't want to do all that. You gonna bend over and cough for me? Bend over and cough for you. Is that what they do it Yeah, they look at your asshole and see if anything comes out. Isabelle complains at how uncomfortable it is to be in the back of the police car and states, dude, I should't have done it in the morning. So now she's saying in the back of this recorded police car that she should have killed him in the morning and not waited uil after a second period, because if she had done it in the morning, she would' have been able to kill him. And Lois is like, yeah Dude, he was right there. I was following behind him. What is happening? Yeah. Isabelle also talks about how when they were interviewing her, she kept laughing even though it's not funny, but quote, they kept on saying six seven. Oh I laughed at six seven, dude. because they were talking about my grades and stuff when it first started and they were like, yeah, it was the sixth or seventh grade? I did the six seven behind my back So she's handcuffed and she said she's doing six seven. This is like I don't even know what is happening Yeah. Lois finds this so funny and she says, stop making me laugh. Lois explains later that she did mention to one of her friends that Isabelle might try to do something on Friday, which is vague. And she reassures Isabelle, she's probably thinking that you're gonna to self exit. That's stupid, I'm not self exiting. Then in a voice that would indicate maybe it's from a meme or something, but she says, Killing yourself is for our words She says the word Stupid our word that gives up please. I am our worded though Lois tries to comfort her Not a stupid R word though. Aww, thanks. One of the most damning pieces of evidence against Isabellel is a journal entry that's written in the style of a bad movie plot where the killer fesses up to the murder, hides the note for it to be found by the main character at the end in the bottom of the underwear drawer, and it reads It was just like any other normal day. I swear nothing seemed off until I remembered him Oh John, how much I loved you. Today was finally the day You're so worth it. Fuck. We were leaving second period. I grabbed him. I don't know what happened, but I just started talking, Oh, you're so beautiful. the cutest boy around. I loved him dearly. I would ruin my life for him and that is very much what I was doing. I was able to get my hands on some chloroform which is not true. It knocked him out cold. It was absolutely perfect. I was already in the bathroom with him. He hadn't woken up yet, so I was just waiting. He is so small, so precious. I'd been waiting for this for a long time Slowly he woke up. I saw those beautiful eyes I much adored Finally, up close, he was absolutely perfection. Hi, sweetheart, I said without thinking. He looked extremely disturbed. I don't blame him. Who wouldn't, LOL? He didn't speak, just looked in terror I pulled the knife out of my bag and held it to his throat. I saw the fear. I saw his breath hitch. It gave me more adrenaline. and she spells adrenaline A D R E. N A L Y N Adrenaline. I pulled my phone out and started recording him Can you smile for the camera? I held the knife closer to his throat. I watched as he forced himself to smile just for me. And that is where she ends this weird bizarre not It's presented as if she wrote it after the fact in this dramatized narrative form And the cop found that note. Yeah It's like fan fic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ye Yeah. So the police found it and locked it. Yeah. And they're like, Okaykay, well you wrote this note. You wrote one to your parents detailing your exact motive. so And you had a lot of the supplies that you're talking about. Yeah So what is Lois' whole thing. like what's her motive? Does she have a motive? Does she even care? What is she doing there? I think she doesn't care. I mean, I think she clearly is dealing with lots of mental health issues, and I'm not saying that as some sort of excuse because yet so did I at fourteen. She seems more like the follower, though I don't really like to give those labels, but it's Isabele is the one with the plan. I think if anything, maybe Lois thought it would be cool that she would go down in notoriety Or maybe she thought that Isabellel would never go through with it But if Lois was the one to be like, oh, well you can't do that then maybe she wouldn't be seen as cool by her TCC community. And again, this is not to diminish any of the impact that Lois Lppard had. It seems as if Isabelle is the one more so spearheading this. She's the one with a very strong reasoning of why she felt she wanted to kill Jh But I think it's also just as disgusting that Lois is like, oh, I'm doing it for the thrill and for the fun and like maybe I'll be known in the TCC community. Regardless, despicable And I think one of the reasons that the investigators moved so fast on this tip was well, it was their job. they had to, but also they've had problems with Isabel prior to this. In fact, the police were at Isabel's house Thursday night for something else. The night before? Yeah, the night before. Okay. Okay, so the night before, the police go to Isabel Valdez's house She'd been trying to do these like swatting calls on people. There was like three different swatting incidents. I think she was trying to swat the school or swat an individual at the school. It's a little bit unclear because they're all minors, but there's swatting incidents. Just know that. She's like trying to get someone swWatted. They come, they grab her phone. Now Thursday night, they go back to her house and they're like, hey, we have your phone. We could do like we could get a warrant and there's like so much paperwork or you could just sign this consent form let us go through your phone. So they sign the consent form The police leave Thursday night U. They get a tip in early hours of Friday morning, and then it's like the last few sentences or, oh, I think their name is Isabelle. So after the police took her phone, she's on discord messaging on her computer. Y. On her computer messaging her friend saying, I'm gonna to do this now. I'm gonna do it. I'm going to do it. Yeah. She felt like she was already going to go away for the swatting incident So she might as well do it now. Now is the only time that she can do this. Lois even mentioned to her that she's anxious planning and maybe she shouldn't go through with it, but Isabell is like, No, I'm gonna go through with it. And she even tells another friend about it Thursday night I think she told maybe it was just one, could have been more, but that one person does end up sending in that anonymous text really saved John's life. Yeah. No, John's mom is in an interview where she said person I mean she knows who made the tip and shes spoken to that child and she says The child is her hero. Now Isabellel tells Lois in the car in the back of the police car. I did write a note to my parents. Did you write one to your parents This is like, no, you should have. They said I'm gonna be able to contact my parents and I get there Me too. I haven't talked to my parents yet. I don't know if my parents even know what's going on. They don't. They haven't contacted mine either. My mom's gonna be yelling at me through the phone, like, what are you gonna do? Why are you trying to kill this fucking kid? Lois is like, I think my mom's gonna be okay. Io Ioki thinks she's probably gonna fuck with it When they asked me like, do you really wantna lie? Would your parents really want you to lie for Jimmy? Yeah, they would. Yeahah. And then remember earlier in the car ride while they were role playing Columbine, Isabell looked out the window, gets distracted by the building and she says, Hey, my sister goes to therapy there Then she starts going on this like very bizarre trauma dump Where she says, My mom's gonna to see the police c and she's gonna to be like, damn. And then when I call her, I'm gonna to be like, Hey, mama, that was me in the police car. You see me? And she says, You know, my mom was telling me about this morning because she was talking about somebody. And then she was like, Ohh yeah, this girl I know, she got criminal charges because she hit somebody and drove away with her car. and she was like, don't get any criminal charges because that messes with your record I'm sorry, mama. Lois is like, I might get criminal charges, I guess Which like It's okay, we get them together. Okay, yeah, honestly, we're probably gonna get a minimum of what four years or so. And this is when Lois starts to get disgruntled because Lois is the accomplice, right? So she's like, I'm not getting four years. Gess you are, you helped Doing that? Hey, by the time we're going be out, we could probably go to community college together. Yeah, I'm not gonna go away for that long. Loky probably a good thing you didn't actually end up doing anything because imagine I actually did like, you know. So it seems like Lois is very disgruntled about the idea of getting that many years. Later the topic is approached again when Isabelle says, My family isn't probably even gonna to visit me, man, I don't even fucking care I'll vit you? Isabell's confused Huh? I'll visit you. Huh? I'll visit you when I'm out. before you Shut up, you're not getting out before me. How would I get a longer sentence than you? It's redacted, but contextually it feels like Isabella is bringing up the fact that Lois helped sharpen the knife and maybe they told somebody, I don't know. But Isabelle is like, dude, they said that they were gonna take photos in the bathroom as evidence, dude. L I don't know what they're gonna fucking take though. Like it was the metal pipe What are they supposed to take there a So do we know how many years they are possibly facing? Oh yeah, like twenty. For both, yeah Oh they're treated the same. Yeah I mean, it's attempted murder. yeah. So they're both got the same charges. Yeah. for are they tried as adults They're tried as dos. And they were denied bond. O Bail, ye. So this conversation was released. What about like any interrogation? any more p? Not yet I think that will probably be released later because technically it's an open investigation So it'll probably come out during the trial. and then if you were to foyer request it, you'd probably get all of that after investigation. W they releasase this? Yes. already? Yes, because they showed it to the judge. Yes, Yes. this whole police tape was shown to the judge to be like, you cannot let them out on bail. And that's why it's allowed to be released to the public Interesting. I guess I'm really curious to know when is the moment that they realize and when they truly flip on each other. Yeah, or truly realize, I wonder if it's gonna happen anytime soon. 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Yeah When they're talking about how at least they're not school shooters because that would get them life in prison, Isabel asks Lois almost nervously Well, how long am I going to get I'm not going get much time. And again later, Lois brings it up again and I think Isabelle doesn't like these mentions because Lois mentioned, I'm probably not going like My involvement is not that long, so I'll be out before you. I'm probably not gonna to get life in jail because my parents are gonna to give me the best lawyers they can police finally interject and they ask This is the first time they Yes. Jumped in. Young lady, what's your name Which one I'm guessing he points because Isabelle responds. Isabellel Val does. she spells her name. And yours young lady Lois Libert And it's very clear the officers are listening to everything. And I also think that asking for their names was a good idea. I don't know if it would fly in court, but it's a good idea in the sense of these kids can't later say, oh, I was in a fucking state of psychosis This is like shared psychosis. We're losing our minds. It's like, tellell me your name, tellell me your date of birth. Okay, you're clearly in somewhat of a right state of mind becausecause the types of things they were saying, maybe a defense attorney would later say, yeah, they were role playing columbine. They were in a state of psychosis. And fact In the middle of the conversation, he decided to ask for their name when he already has their. They're in the back of the police car. They've been arrested. Yeah. He knows their names Yeah. So I think everything is very intentional at this point. And it's very clear he's listening to everything because at one point Isabel later, later on, Isabel is talking in depth about I kind of need to fart. Lois is like, please don't Dude, I just keep needing to take a shit over there. and I was so embarrassed because they kept on coming into the stall with me. and when I sat down, I felt like I had a shit and I felt like it was gonna to come out because I had diarrhea And I still have it. And then it's silence. And the officer Buttson Don't mess up my seat, please. You'll be out here cleaning it up Oh, no thank you. So Isabelle's like, okay, I'm not gonna darheo, No thank you. Dude, I used to have to clean this is Isabella. I used to have to clean up my siblings' shit because my mom would be sleeping and my sister would literally take off her diaper and she would put it all over her bed H Dude, I think there was like a year or two that she was like My mom was cooking or while she was doing something, she would take her diaper off and she would pee on her bed. She would literally spread her legs open on her bed and pee. U. Your siblings are wilding I know, my brother keeps on humping everything now. My mom tells him to stop and he just keeps on doing it. And then he goes into my closet because I sleep with my sister. I think I told you right. He goes into my closet and he puts on my sister's bathing suit I don't know. I think this seems like the point where Some people feel there might be a lot more going on in Isabel's life clearly because both the girls seem to be struggling a lot mentally. Again, not that it's justification for anything, but these are very specific stories she's sharing. Then later, Lois mentions that she has to pee so bad, to which Isabele tells her that the police officers aren't gonna let her use the restroom when they get to the police station, to which Lois is like, dude I have to go to the bathroom? I'm gonna piss myself. They have to clean that up. And Isabel says, u, my mouth is right here ee there's a lot of overtly sexual comments being made. Lois later again mentions I did not expect them to let us go into the same car and shit complained Yeah, I'm not complaining at all. So much better than having to stare off into the distance and think of all your regrets And then Lois says, I'm actually gonna piss myself. I can't laugh anymore. It's bad. I've been holding it in for like an hour You've been horny for an hour Oh, I'm oh, is it because I'm here Later, Lewis is complaining about how it hurt strap keeps hanging off her shoulder and Isba offers, I'll pull it up with my teeth Their entire demeanor in the car is, I mean, it's going to be a defense attorney's nightmare. At one point the both of them are talking about how the comfort level of this car ride compares to the last time they were in a police car. It's like they're giving it Uber car ride ratings. Isabel says dude last time, they didn't even put me in handcuffs. They just stuck me, They let me take my stuff too. I was able to take some of my little ponies, my plush, and my phone But then they took my phone away. They took all my stuff away because they were like, you can't have this in here. So I was like, okay, whatever They are both charged with attempted murder and possessing a weapon on school property, and they will both be tried as adults. During their court hearing, they don't nearly look as giggly or as quirky as they did in the back of the police car. They were both present but separated during the hearing. Their parents were there. Lois's parents pleaded with the judge that if Lois is released out on bail, she would not be able to have any access to her electronics, she will be closely monitored The prosecutors argue. So did the parents get lowest the best attorney that she going to get get her? does not seem like it. I think probably the best that they could But I don't think Lois is parents are pulling in Brian Steele, you know? likeike I don't think they're Yeah, which But they aren't the same gel Yes. Interesting. So they can talk to each other freely, then No, they cannot. O they cannot. Yeah, they're not allowed to be near each other. They're not allowed to communicate with one another. Now the prosecutors argue that the young ladies exhibit callous nature, sociopathic attitudes. They say that the concept of murdering another person to resurrect a school shooter is unfathomable And they show the judge the police car footage to argue that they cannot be released out on bail The judge states that their clear lack of remorse proved that they were a danger to society. She says, I don't think there's anything I could do that would keep the community safe. and it's clearly a dangerous crime. All the elements, I think have been met. In the video that I watched, they thought this was cute I don't want her on the internet talking to other young folks about this. It's too dangerous And so for that reason, I think that there's a real risk to the community that I just can't fix And both of them were denied bail. I mean, Yeah, they would probably go back on Tumbplr and Twitter and say a bunch of shit. The fifteen year old boy's mother has done an interview and she's asked, you know to know the allegations of the two girls plotting, the allegations of them wanting to hurt and kill your baby, your son as a mom, you know, she says Yeah, I was destroyed. I still am It's never going to be the same. It's very hard. I've broken down a lot. I still break down at work. B the way, she works at the school So yeah, I She says, I still haven't been sleeping well I haven't been eating, and I've been waking up on alert, highigh alert, like two, three times a night As for her son, she says, he's so brave. He's so brave and smart and talented. And the hero of the story is the tipster. And that person is the hero of my life and I've told them that If the tipster hadn't made that notification, do you think your son would still be alive? I think that we would I think it would be in a very To make matters worse, like I said, she works in that school and she walks by the school bathroom where Isabell and Lois allegedly planned on killing her son every day. Isbel has since written a letter to the judge, which reads Dear Judge Chase, First of all, I want to say that I'm very remorseful for my actions. Being away from everything, isolated from people, the internet, just everything changed my perspective on life. Growing up, I was exposed to the internet at a very young age and all of that was bad that stemmed from it. The internet made me a horrible, horrible person. I was groomed and assaulted multiple times growing up by people my own age and people older than me I've always denied anything happening because I've always felt like expressing this to anyone made me weak Sometimes I still do. My own parents don't even know about it I was also bullied growing up very severely that I had been Wanting to self exist since I was seven. I never expressed this feeling because I felt like others would not take me seriously since I was so young spoke out on the bullying. But no one paid attention to whatever I said. Even if my parents spoke out My parents and my family tried to help me growing up, but I never accepted it for some reason. I don't know why I always thought that they were against me. I wanted help, but I wouldn't accept it when it came Later on, this just changed into thoughts of quote, I could never be left My parents tried their hardest and they wanted to give me a better life than they ever had. They're still trying their hardest, trying to get me home Around the age of ten, I found joy in hurting those that hurt me, which I don't anymore