Bubba's Evasive Behavior and Police Interviews

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You wouldn't settle for a snooze fest when you came for a thrill ride So don't settle for just any insurance when they're state farm Like a good neighbor, state fararm is there. Bab Badab If you haven't already, please go listen to the three previous audio parts that we have on this case because this is a massive case that we had to break up into multiple different parts just to get through all of the evidence and data that was in the FOIA request that we were provided In the previous part, we went through how all of Mackenzie's actions after the crash, the way she's texting Dom's family, Davon's family members, specifically Dom's mom almost harassing the mother of the son that she just killed to go into Dom's house just so that she can lay on the bed Now it doesn't appear that anyone believes that she genuinely just wants to lay on the bed and collect some of her things because the way that she's asking is just excessive, saying, why don't you trust me? It hurts me that you won't let me into the place that I spent most of my time at. She is unrelenting. She's exhausting Dom's mom in the most depressing time of her life, likely, and it's just nonstop And Dom's mom is relaying all of this information to the police, providing screenshots of text messages and letting them know that she has multiple different things that she thinks is really helpful to the investigation Dom's mom breaks down when talking to the investigator. She says, I just figured that maybe MackKenzie needed to grow up She's young. I mean, do you guys know what I'm saying? You don't think that it's going to come to this They ask her, what were your motherly instincts? Like what did you feel around Kenzie, especially in the presence of Dominiic? Was she genuine She was she was everything you can tell by her. you know, she's everything all about her If you notice, prom pictures, every single time we try to get a picture, she's all over my son. I can't even get one without her in it catered to her, she claimed she had a gluten free problem or something, and I would make dinner. and then I would be questioned on was the stuff okay for her diet because her stomach? And if I didn't have everything that would have complied with her stomach, diet, whatever it was, I never believed it. She's like, I never believe she was gluten for you which side note, I don't believe either. Because she like loves to tell people nonstop that she's gluten free, but also she's like demanding Dom buy her Chinese food, popeyes, like just lots of other things. yeah She says he would cook for her, you know, separate always and she's a slob. She's never cleaned. Her mother's house is a slob. My entire my house isn't the greatest either, but I'm just saying it's just if Dom's gonna to cook for you, do the dishes. Clean up after yourself. Do you know what I mean All of this coupled with the fact that after being released from the hospital, Mackenzie goes to a kid cutdie concert Mackenzie cannot walk yet She gets discharged from the hospital She is in a wheelchair This is like days after the crash or This is like weeks after because she was in the hospital for a long time But still, she just gets discharged from the hospital Actually I don't know if it's like weeks, okay? It's like maybe a week and a half. but She's wearing tiny little booty shorts. She's in a wheelchair, a evil eyed bikini, and her hair's in space bnds And she's just at a kid cutdie concert with who? Yeah, and they're just like wheeling her around the freaking concert Mackenzie is also incistently posting on snapchat, pictures and videos of her in the hospital going to therapy. It's just a bit odd. Even th the way she's posing for all the pictures, she keeps doing the thing with her feet. so she keeps she loves taking pictures of her legs because they're both in casts And then she does the thing where you like angle your toes inward She'll be in the passenger seat of the car. Her mom's taking her to Whole Foods. There's a rainbow. Mackenzie has her cast, She has her legs up on the dash. She's taking a picture from inside the car with again, her feet pointed inwards for whatever reason. She later sends that photo to Dom's cousin, saying, I was bawling my eyes out at Whole Foods because this is where we used to shop turned out And when I left there was a rainbow right over and if you look where the rainbow would have ended, it touched the ground. It's literally on me She's like saying Dom is in heaven, putting a rainbow on her And the cousin, I mean at this point, doesn't know what's going on, so she's just like, that's beautiful. He just keeps giving me signs and it's kind of making it easier, but I also cry because he's not here She tells the relative he's sad, but he wants all of us to be strong as if's like she's like communicating with Dom. And like out of all people you She says, He wants us to be strong, even though it's going to be hard. I still cry every day, and I'm sure you do too How the fuck do you know that? is my question. I mean, doing copious amounts of drugs every day doesn't make you a spiritual being. It probably just makes you a little more prone to hallucinations. It just I don't get it. The relative just doesn't get it either because she wants to keep talking to Mackenzie to get clarity because she's just always trying to rewroute the conversation. Even Dom's cousin is like keeps rerouting the conversation She says a lot of people think this situation looks bad. You know, the road in the grass, I don't understand it. You can be honest with me, I promise you What do you mean? the road in the grass? I will be honest with you with everything. I'm trying to give the family closure. It makes it harder because I don't remember driving on the street for some reason, but therapist told me people block out traumatic stuff because my brain couldn't process, but I just wish I did. There might be cameras that caught it though, which would make me feel so much better. And something else that's bothering me is I feel like the cops don't give a single fuck about this Later, the cousin says, Yeah, but you did kill two people and you're not a minor anymore Mcenzie responds, I didn't kill anyone. It was an accident. Cousin is saying, Well, you're just like behaving weirdly still like Keny If I'm going to be honest with you, I've said this before. a lot of people agree with me on this one about how you were reposting things about your modeling and stuff. Do you really think that's important in a time like this? I just don't understand that at all. I'm a pretty easy going person. That's why I'm trying to hear your side as well, but it just It makes me angry I haven't posted anything since this accident happened To which the cousin is like, you literally posted this and sends a screenshot and Mackenzie responds, My modeling is the last thing I care about you and your mom both responded to that modeling agency. There's no way in how I post the back My cousin is like, girl And what modeling agency did I respond? Because I haven't gotten a message from many of them The relative sends another photo. Now Mackenzie is like, okay They wanted to repost my pictures so I told them they could. There's no issue that Okay I just don't think it makes sense to be responding and posting that picture to your story and having your mom respond. I thought that's the last thing you should be worried about right now, but that's just my opinion MackKenzie snaps. It's like She doesn't snap as much with Dom's mom, but she types out, I didn't post that picture on my story. Dom would want me to be happy and try to live a normal life. If all these people were saying these things to me in real life, Dom would whooip their ass. And I'm not sure where this conversation is going. Is this like a trap or something? Are you trying to incriminate me or make me feel even worse than I already do? Everybody's acting like they were so close with him. Like I wasn't the one sleeping at his house every single night taking care of him and he was taking care of me. The love of my life is gone forever. I'm never going to love again her prison girlfriends would disagree but I'm never going to fall in love again. I'm forever his and I'm going to live on and do everything possible for him. whether it's eat the food he likes, wear the clothes he likes, go to the places he likes. I'm doing it for him. Yet later, She tries to argue like she went to Kid Cuddy for a Dom Dom loves kid cutting and they were planning on going to the kid cutting concert. How generous and remorseful can somebody be McKenzie rants about the people reposting about her talking about the modeling agency and that they're all haters, which the cousin is explaining, Well, it doesn't really matter whether or not reposting it or haters because Why did you give them something to repost anyway? Like whyy did you do that? Like She's like, that's not the point, you know? It's not just them who thinks it's weird that you were doing what you were doing when the incident occurred Mackenzie is responding about a girl named Alexis, who I guess has been reposting a lot of this stuff And she goes, Alexis is a disgusting fat bitch that tried to homewreck my relationship with me and Dom because she wants her gross friend to be with him And then I guess the cousin, like I think both the cousin and Dom's mom tries to calm her down and then tries to rewroute the conversations. the cousin is like, But I feel like I know who you're talking about? Like she's actually fat And she says, Alexis is ginormous Later, Dom's cousin asks MackKenzie, I don't think Dom was sober that night. I don't know if you remember, but do you McKenzie states, I don't know why you're trying to be all detective on me. You're digging for information and you're saying you're not trying to be rude, but it's honestly weird and very uncomfortable August sixth, so a week after the crash, she's doing so much online that one of her friends even DMs her, Not a good look homeomie bet is not to post it, not to read the messages and such Because McKenzie is like responding to haters. Everyone's a hater if they think that she's morally corrupt And she writes back, Are people saying mean stuff Not to my knowledge, I just don't think it looks good for you, That's all There's the partying, but also weird posts. like there's this weird post where Mackenzie goes to Dom's grave with her mom She's sitting in a wheelchair, and you know that? u shoot I don't know what the name of that tequila bottle is. It's like in that blue floral print and there's a bell at the top that you can ring. Okay They bring that to the grave, the tequila bottle that rings. and Mackenzie is filming her mom setting up like this I guess bring a tequila bottle? Yeah, because you know it's customary to bring alcohol and like pour it onto the grave. And I guess they drink this tequila a lot. but the weird part is Mackenzie is filming herself. You don't see her face. You just see the gravesite and she's like crying. and she's focusing on the tequila bottle. So you hear her sobbing. and then she's like telling her mom Ring it, ring the bell. And the mom is like looking at her, I think, like, how do I ring the bell? she's like, just top the top Th then she like taps the top of the tequila bottle and it rings and then Mackenzie sobs harder. and I'm just like What are we posting right now? This is so It's like But it seems like in the beginning Everyone is still trying to some extent, give MackKenzie the benefit of the doubt But Dom's mom is able to provide the police with, like I said, those few key details that are going to be very important later One, Dom's mom finds out that the month of the crash, Dom felt the need to take a video on his friend's phone of a fight that he and Mackenzie were having. So Dom has like this guy friend that was over at his house. Mackenzie is outside the house banging on the door trying to get it And Dom is on the phone with Mackenzie. So Dom's using his phone and calling MackKenzie. Then he's got his friend's phone recording his phone And McKenzie screaming Dom is on the phone with MackKenzie and he's recording all of this. and Dom is inside the house, MackKenzie's outside. and Mackenzie says, like before you lied, you lied and said you would never lock me out of the house again. This is why we got back together. The last time we broke up, but I forgot, you can never keep your word. And he's like explaining like you' the one that broke up with me. And then she's like, because you were a little fucking weak bitch So this is your last chance and he's like, you are the one that broke up with me. This is your last chance to open the door O You're not coming out of the house all night because I will not leave You literally broke up with me earlier. Like what is the point of you trying to break up? You broke up with me earlier like what No, no, no, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't Yes, you did. You said earlier we are not together. You literally said that shit like you You really you broke up with me earlier. Like what are you trying to make L why would I just let you in my house if you break up with me and you're threatening to break up with me and shit and you're threatening to break my shit? one two You're threatening to key my car, you're threatening to break the doors down. I will key your car if you do not let me in this house You're gonna keep my car if I don't let you in the house If you don't let me in the house, ye What the fuck I know, so just let me in the house No, like why can't you just be like calm, calm, att least for a second and I can feel comfortable letting you in the house And again, does this not sound terrifying? Like I know a lot of people listen to this and they're like, oh, this was such a toxic relationship. If the rules were reversed, if there was a man outside the house saying, let me in the house or I'm keying your car It would come off incredibly threatening.. I am calm. I am calm. I don't think you get to decide that with your fucking weird ass trauma problems You're literally threatening to fucking keep my car and shit. likeike what else are you threatening? Dom, I'm going to give you one last chance to open the door or I'm gonna to leave, do what I said I was going to do. What are you going do I'm gonna give you one last chance. open Kenzie, look, look, let me go to bed No, no, no, no, you're not You can and I can let you come over later. No, you're not because I'm coming to dinner too So Dom was gonna go to dinner with his mom and his grandma and Kenzie's like, I'm coming to dinner. Why? You should have told me you wanted to come. You fucking R worward. She already put me on the reservation. so fucking open the door, you dumb ass L like, open the door. No, I'm not letting you in the house. Five, four. Then another video clip begins. Mackenzie is still outside, Dom is inside the house and McKenzie is threatening Dom. Dom, if you do not open, like you think I'm joking, do you think I'm joking? Do you think I'm joking? like I'm dead ass? What are you dead ass about I'm going to give you one last chance to open the door. Kendy, I can't open the door. I can't sit here and fight. Like I gotta go to dinner so I can see my grandparents, like I can't sit here and fight. You're not going to dinner if you don't open the door. I'm gonna let you know that right now And then what what will happen? What are you trying to say? I am telling you, I already told you what happens. you're not going to dinner What do you mean You know ex fuc exactly what I mean. You don't need to know exactly what I mean. You're going to open this door right now where there's going to be a serious fucking problem can't No, like you can't keep making all those threats. I can't open the door. And you can't kick me out of the place you say is my home Kenzie, I didn't kick you out, you took all your shit and dipped. You said we were done. I did not say we were dumb. Okay, ready? I'm gonna count to ten The doors are gonna open, okay? So you're gonna open the door and stop hiding behind the door like a little fucking bitch. Ready? One Two, three. McKenzie, I can't open it four I'm gonna break something then What are you trying to break? Open the door, stopping a little bitch and open the door I can't let you in my house with how you're acting. It's like as simple as that. like there's no way, like there's no way I should. I'm just gonna break the handle off. Fucking break the lock. Like you're gonna break into my house? Yes, I will. I will break into your house. You're right. I will break into it. It's not your house, it's my house It is Now open the door. You have thirty seconds left on this phone call to open the door. we are done. She starts banging on the door and you can hear it on the video Open the door right now. Dum, if you don't open the door, I'm keying your car. Why the fuck was? Are you serious? Okay, you have thirty seconds or I'm gonna do it. She starts banging on the door. There's cracking, there's banging noises. Well, I just broke your fucking key thing so that sucks White key thing You don't have to open the door to see it because that's where it's fucked up from the outside you fucking dick. Now open the door. No, like, no, you're breaking shit and stuff. like you're not coming into my house. Domb, I will break shit. I will break shit. Do I have to call the police? Why would you call the police? Do I have to call the police? Are you not gonna let me into my house This is not your house. All right, Kandy, I'm calling your mom. I'm calling my mom. No, you're not Yes, I am. No, you're not, Then we are done. If you do not let me in this house that I sleep in every night, then we are done. 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So she's in the car with his stuff And he's just like, give me my shit, dude, give me my shit McKenzie just responds. Yeah, we have problems Why are you trying to torment me with problems. Because you're trying to torment me problems, Dom. P put that share my window and see what goddamn happens. we have fucking problems I think he's just trying to get in One person interviewed by the police states I heard that Mcenzie would say if Dom ever broke up with her, she would self exit. And just one week before the crash, Dom calls his mom saying he and Mackenzie got into a fight Mcenzie threatened to crash the car on the highway. Dom's mom was super sick at the time. she was hospitalized. Like it was really bad. She was going through a lot of health stuff. She calls a friend of hers named Chris and she's like, Chris, you gott to go save my son. Like he's on the highw somewhere he's sending his location. Mcenzie's like threatening to crash the car. You got to go get my son. You gott to go get my son. So this guy's Chris. He gets in the car. Detectives also bring him in, right And they ask him, when you were on the phone with Dom, because eventually, Chris is calling Dom trying to coordinate where he is, Can you clarify again what you heard Mackenzie say over the phone She said she'll crash his car right now. They are driving or what's happening on the highway? They're driving, but they eventually pulled over And then Dom got into Chris's car because Chris showed up Mackenzie is driving. It seems that way. Now there's different accounts of all these stories. Now there is one account Mackenzie tells Dom's mom, that's not what happened, right? MackKenzie is like I was driving and Dom tried to yank the steering wheel and crash the car, like he just tried to kill me MackKenzie's parents use her text message saying that this is what happened as evidence I mean, Chris is like a third party witness. I'm sure he's close friends with Dom's mom, but Just like judging with everything that I've seen so far, no one that knows Dom says that he is capable of yanking someone's. In fact, a lot of people say, interestingly, Dom is like not a regular twenty year old guy in the sense that he drives pretty safely Like he's not a reckless driver. All of these things are useful to the police and they're completely relevant information However, to really figure out what happened in that car, they need to know what happened that night. If MackKenzie's not going to tell them what happened in the car, maybe someone can tell them what happened right before they got in the car Like someone at the gathering at Paul's house. Beause remember there's seven people there. Paul, Nina Ros, Ros's boyfriend Buba Mackenzie Dom and Davvionne. Bubba and Davvionne are close. They play football together, so they've actually been close for a long time. Bubba's dating Rosie. So actually, Rosie, Bubba, and Davon have been close for years And Rosie is really close friends with Paul. Nina is also really close with Rosie. Like in fact, Nina and Rosie are gonna be college dorms roommates. So they're all like a very tight knit group And then Mackenzie and Rosie have recently started hanging out in the past few months. And then Dom has just been kind of brought into the mix because MackKenzie doesn't like to go anywhere without him And it seems like everybody likes Dom too At some point, Davon had even lived at Bubba's house for a few months, so you know a lot of them have established friendships aside from Mackenzie and Dom thus far And interestingly, I think there were points where The police are trying to ask Paul, the owner, you, this is Paul's house that they were all at, what Mackenzie and Dom's relationship is like. And he just tells them, if you want to know anything about Mackenzie's relationship with Dom, you have to ask Rosie. Rosie is the one to talk to The prosecutor says this about Rosie Rosie would have been the most likely source of information on what was going on in Mackenzie's mind leading up to the crash You have no idea how hard I tried to get Rosie Graham to talk to me to cooperate with me. This is in the Netflix documentary The prosecutor says, But it's good to hear that she talks to you guys fascinated to hear what she has to say So with this, everyone is like, why the fuck did Rosie not talk to anyone? And then she's just doing a documentary? Like you're not talking the police. you're talking the prosecutor and then you do a documentary. Rosie says to Netflix, the police called to set up an interview and I was like, I'm not doing it. People always say the police will try to say crazy things, especially if you're alone and you're a teenager. It doesn't seem like we' trying to figure out what happened in the accident. It seems like we're trying to track down the next big drug dealer. I'm just going to run you through what happened in the Netflix talkock and the social media reaction first becausecause after the Netflix talkock aired, people on social media were pretty much dumbfounded. They're like, what the hell is going on, especially with Rosie? becausecause they're saying Rosie, she is a pretty big YouTuber She's got like over a million followers. She does fitness challenges, she's big into pilates. And so a lot of people had been following Rosie on YouTube And then they're like, oh, this new true crime documentary came out on Netflix. Let's watch it. And they're like, that's the girl that I've been working out with on YouTube. And now she's defending MackKenzie. like what the hell is going on? We didn't even know that they were friends up until this. Nobody that follows her on social media connected them to. What's happening? And now she's defending Mackenzie. and secondly, why the hell is Rosie talking to a documentary crew if she hasn't spoken to the police Why would she work with Netflix if she didn't work on getting justice for Domond Davian? The only logical reason is because she would get nothing out of working with the police. I mean, I guess justice doesn't count, but she would get fame from working with Netflix. That's kind of what social media thinks. like that's the only way it makes sense. Rosie explains in the documentary, so many people were asking so many questions to all of us because they were like, you were there with them You know, what did they take? you know they were on something. They didn't give us a second to process what just happened. She says, in high school is when I met Kenzie. We started commenting on each other's Instagrams before we even talk to each other in person. We would like comment, DM back and forth or snapchat. She says, you know, Kenzie would make cute little TikTok videos of her trying on outfits. She would come to school with a purse inste of a bag, which I thought was really cute. I got along with her well. I'm like, you're cute. She's like, you're cute, and I'm like, we get along so well When I met her, I had two hundred thousand on YouTube and TikTok and she had like a few thousand followers. She always wanted to be a model like me, so me and Kenzie would hang out and just go do photo shoots. Rosie says about that night. I was just texting her to bring over some weed for the night. We were also talking about doing the mushrooms, which is why they brought them and they had them in the car with them. First of all. It wasn't a party at all, because in my opinion and everybody that was there, we call that a sleepover. And that was just like a friend's sleepover that we would normally do. I brought a coloring book and like colored pencils. We were watching YouTube videos, we were having deep conversations and just sitting around And we were also talking about doing the mushrooms. and then by the time they got over there, it was like twelve AM and we're all like, it's too late prodroducers ask soono mushrooms U yeah, we were all just kind of like, it's really late. And we had like weed to smoke, so we just smoked weed. Kenzie didn't even smoke that night Rosie and Buba say that Mackenzie that night she was on a smoke break because she was coughing up black mucus. Blooding mucus, Rosie says, Kenzie was sleeping by like three AM All I remember is Dom just patting her head all night, cuddling up to her on the couch and she was sleeping and he was like caressing her hair There was not one argument, there was not one moment of tension, there was not one bad vibe towards anybody. And then really early in the morning around five AM, Dom came into the kitchen and I was like, arere you guys leaving? Davianne starts talking to Bubba because technically he was going to go home with Bubba ' they werere gonna work on Bubba's truck and Davon is like, apparently, he knows how to work a car According to Bubba, Davvon gives him a hug and says, loveove you. and he's responds love you too. Bubba says it was very weird. It was the first time we said we loved each other for a while And Rosie tells Netflix I didn't think she would get arrested for all of this That's the last thing I'm thinking about. I'm thinking our friends are dead How are we going to recover from this I will say Rosie comes off entirely unlikeable in the Netflix documentary, obbviously the things that were being said, but also the tone in a lot of the moments. And just like the whole oh Mackenzie would never eat a McCicken, which Rosie didn't say, the other girl said Rosie does have a few viral clippable moments where she says things like She and McKenzie wanted to be you got along because Kenzie wanted to be a model like Rosie. I think the internet took that and just ran to hell and back with it. I mean, criticism did very quickly turn into body shaming. There were Weird theories popping up online on social media about whether or not Mackenzie left the gathering because she woke up and saw Rosie hitting on Dom which ultimately is just an internt rumor that also harms Dom's family, and there's really no evidence backing that conspiracy And because Rosie didn't cooperate with the police, but is cooperating with Netflix and seems supportive of Mackenzie, naturally the internet felt like she's covering something up Which side note, we did ask Rosie about a lot of the questions that the internet had. likeike why didn't you talk to the police? Why did you talk to Netflix? What happened that night? But more on that in a second. Right now I'm just like running you through what happened in the Dc in the internet reaction Landon, Rosie's boyfriend, AK Bubba. So Bubba is London, that's his nickname. He's also in the Netflix talk and he's Davon's close friend. He's probably the most Notable in the documentary for saying, quote, you guys are acting like this is Jeffrey Dahmer or someone. someomeone that's out there like calculating these murders and calculating these things. No, that's not who she was he says about The Mackenzie and Doms relationship. It was a high school relationship. There was gonna be fights. There was going to be ups and downs He says about that night to Netflix that there was no tension, no arguing, just nothing He said, me, Dave and Dom were watching a shark documentary, like stupid shit on the TV. A couple of times we'd go out and smack the bong Originally, according to police documents, Bubba was very avoidant when it came to answering questions about that night to the police. and all these peers were coming in reporting that people were being intimidated to not talk to the police So Buba intimidated? Yeah, Bubba is like, o, he's being hesitant to talk to the police Yeah. And then Davy on's other friends who have his life three hundred and sixty app and they've been like running their own little investigation, which I will say, you know, some of the stuff that they gathered, the police were like were like heading into kind of conspiracy territory. but some of the other stuff was largely useful like the life three hundred and sixty data and all these other things I can see how, you know, sometimes they're going to come up with theories that don't panning out, but they were working hard to try to figure out what's going on. So they're coming to the police and they're like, we think lots of people are being intimidated not to talk to you guys. L that's the that's the energy we're getting, like we're hearing around the block that people are scared to talk to you guys Even some of their parents are coming out and one of the parents was like, it seems like people are scared of Mackenzie's friend group S people are scared of McKenzie if they're talking to it like it just seems Maybe it's more social pressure and not Hey, if you talk something really bad is going to happen to you But there's just like a lot of this Intimidation, talks of, you, refusing to cooperate because people are being intimidated. Now there's a recorded conversation between two law enforcement officials about Bubba They get on the phone and they're talking about Bubba And it's part of the case file. Okay. Yeah. So like one of them is like, who is this? and it's like, Oh, it's Chief. What's up Chief? How you doing? And then they're like, okay. So let me catch you up to speed. quote. So I just had a conversation with Bubba Landon That was very interesting conversation, I must say. Yeah. he's not willing to talk. He says that he's not being threatened and in his own words, I'm at the top of the chain. Nobody messes with me. I'll just kick their ass He seemed very, this is my intuition or whatever, whatever, you know, this is. He's involved. involved. Okay, there's no like backup to this. It's just like ye K kind of like an explosive thing to say That's like a crazy thing to say, I will say because He's not in the car There are some people speculating online like maybe he's not being truthful or that transparent about what happened at Paul's house that night. But to say that he's involved seems like a big stretch, right? But that's what the police say. This is in the FOIA file, which after the Netflix stock dropped, a lot of people who had access to the FOA file requested it on their own. They start releasing stuff like this and they're like, oh my go He wouldn't talk, he was hesitant to talk to the police. He's acting like that in the dock. The cops are saying he's involved in this phone call. So it just kind of spirals into this huge thing Now, Buba does have an interview with the police that is also in the file and he's asked, do you have any theories about the crash or what might have happened The only thing that my gut and my intuition is telling me is that she passed out That's my gut intuition. I mean, I don't know, this is not credible at all, but Do you guys know what a pendulum is kindind of like you hang a necklace and you let it swing to the words, Kind of like a ouija board, but without you know what I'm saying? You know what a pendulum is? Yeah. Yes. He's asking the coth? Yeah. So I used a pendulum board with a little crystal and I got in my truck when I was down here by myself and I got on my truck and I was like I'm going to try and talk to Davi on with it. And so I tried talking to Davian and I asked him a bunch of personal questions and it was crazy because he was actually spelling out the words of what I was looking for. I was like, this has to be Davian. I have to be talking to something right now. So I kept asking questions and I was like, do you think she passed out? I was asking questions about the crash and he was just like, yes, yes, I think she passed out And I know that she's prone to passing out or something like that. Like she's prone to that. She's like a medical condition or something like that. I asked Dave and I was like, did you guys, you know, on the pendulum board? I was like, did you guys even know that you guys were crashed? And he was like, No. He had no clue that they crashed. But obviously again, that's not a credible thing. He's saying all this to the cop Yes. and what's even crazier is Mackenzie was very much into the pendulum. I don't really see Bubbble. He's like a football player kind of jock vibes. He doesn't really strike me as the person that would be into pendulums Mackenzie was trying to get everybody onto pendulums, it seems, after the crash She got Dom's dad to get into pendulums to try and talk to Dom suuccessfully doing it. Yeah so out of grief and Yeah, Dom's dad and they're very transparent about this in the documentary. Dom's dad an older sister They did not know as much Dom's older sister is much, much older and she has a child of her own. So you know naturally with that kind of age gap, a twenty year old guy is not going to tell his older sister everything going on in his life and relationship I think they had less contact with MackKenzie than let's say Dom's mom Dom's moms like in the beginning, she was kind of like trying to be a good person, she is a good person, but trying to give MackKenzie time. I don't think that she gave her benefit of the doubt really the other members. Yes. Now, Dom's dad had recently come back into Dom's life And so I think there was a different type of grief there. and maybe they felt like Mackenzie's been always around Dom and They actually supported Mackenzie for a really long time until the prosecutors showed them the video of the crash and they said it was like a missile And that is when That was the first time they ever saw it. and that is when they didn't stop supporting Mackenzie because she just she made it sound like it was an accident. 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H gets labeled by Bubba as kind of like a hater in this and saying that He's just spreading weird rumors and conspiracies about McKenzie because he hates McKenzie