Final Thoughts on Parental Responsibility

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Mackenzie was interviewed for the Netflix documentary. We went through all of the things she said. H best friends, her close friends were also speaking out. Some of them were interviewed for the Netflix documentary, and a lot of them were hated. And two of the more controversial figures to come out of this Netflix talk, the crash are Rosie and Bubba. They were there the night at Paul's gathering that Mackenzie, Dom, and Daveon were at all before they left. And when they leave Paul's place, that's when the crash happens. So these are the last people to see Dominond Davian alive Rosie and Buba are, you know, they did not have a They were not widely liked after the Netflix documentary for a lot of good reasons on the internet And we were able to get them on a two hour phone call with our researchers and ask them all of the questions, and most importantly, ask them, what really happened that night? Now I will say that I was not on that phone call. There was a schedule overlap, but also we thought it would be best for me to remain as objective as possible and I thought the easiest way would be to not be on that phone call. I gave my researchers a list of questions that I had. My researchers also had their own list of questions, and we were just rapid fire making sure that everything got answered. and I will say that Rosie and Bubba do not seem to be least invasive to any of the questions. I did, of course try my best to verify their statements, but there are some that are for obvious reasons, impossible to verify. And for those, I'm just going to point out there's no way to verify that. And at times where I do attempt to verify with the FOIA file, I'm just going to walk you through my steps and thought process of how I try to verify informations we can be as transparent as possible. Rosie and Bubba first stated that they felt the Netflix documentary was extremely edited and twisted in a way that does not represent how they truly feel. Rosie told us that she was under the impression that the Netflix dooc was talking to her and Bubba about the viewpoint of losing friends in such a tragic way at such a young age She says I just feel like it really was twisted in a way that we never anticipated Rosie states that it wasn't what she was expecting to represent her feelings about the whole situation. So they were describing that Rosie had an eight hour long interview with producers. Bubba had a fifteen hour long interview and it wass just like rapid fire questions all day and they said that they answered each and every single one of them. and when they saw the final documentary, they even thought the original documentary was going to be a three part docue series but it got cut down to just one and a half hours. Rosie states she felt like they just took out a lot of things for simplicity's sake. They never got an early viewing of the documentary either. and when it did release, Rosie and Bubba stayed up u to like three in the morning to watch it and they state that they were taken aback by how much was cut out For like eight hours, fifteen hours, they say it's only like fifteen minutes, makeake it in And they thought that it was not a good representation of their interviews is what they sayate to us Rosie shares her grievances with the way the documentary cut her parts, stating that she felt a lot of trust with the production team she says They did Don't Fuck with Cats, which is honestly great. We think it's a great film. Everybody loves that. We just watched it a while ago. So they had a lot of reputable films. I thought they would take our story responsibly and they were always super nice every time we communicated with them. And we really poured our hearts out and they came into our house like multiple times. They felt it was just not accurate of how they feel So how do they feel? The biggest question that we had for Rosie other than what happened that night was, why would you not talk to the police, but you want to talk to Netflix? That also seemed to be the biggest point of contention on the internet when it comes to Rosie. I did see through the police file throughout the police report, there are multiple mentions in the detective's incident report that he has reached out to Rosie and she has declined to speak with him He's like reaching out multiple days. This is a major, completely understandable point that's being made online. I too am of the belief of like, how can you really grieve the loss of two friends but you did everything you could to avoid helping the investigators figure out the truth of what happened that night? It doesn't make sense. It does give cover up vibes, understandably. So we asked, why did she not talk to the investigators In the documentary, in the Netflix documentary, the prosecutor is also interviewed and he states, quote, You have no idea how hard I try to get Rosie Graham to talk to me to cooperate with me. But it's good to hear that she talk to you guys. I'm fascinated to hear what she has to say So we asked Rosie, and she states She did talk to the prosecutor. Really? Yeah, she says, quote, I did speak with the prosecutor and I don't really know what got lost in communication with them. She later mentions that she had two phone calls with the prosecutors. One was an hour long, the other one was thirty minutes long, and that she has the phone record to prove these calls happened Now, here's what I did to verify this statement. Like I said, there are multiple mentions in the detective report of trying to get Rosie to come in for an interview. There is no mention that she ever did. However, Rosie does state that she talked to the prosecutor, not the detective. So in the detective's report, he's like, Rosie won't talk to me Rosie won't talk to Rosie tells us she talked to the prosecutor. two different people She says this. So there's all this talk online that nobody cooperated, and I think it's the way the documentary was edited, where I was explaining the initial police hesitation and they cut it with the prosecutor, which he's not even the police. You know, the prosecutor didn't call us originally. And I explained it on the documentary in depth. And once Mackenzie was arrested, the prosecutor called me, it went to voicemail, I called him back And I have phone records of two phone calls with him. One was half an hour and the other one is an hour long. The guy who's saying that in the Netflix doc. Yeah, that's the prosecutor prosecutor, she's saying they did speak. Yeah. thenen why did he the in the documentary saying She thinks it's the way the producers edited it. Oh So she's saying the prosecutor could say, oh, you have no idea how much I've tried. I'm fascinated. Yeah.ait I have my theories about that too.. And so she says, and I remember he asked me, he said, I'm going to ask you every question I would ask you on the stand. And I answered every question. Then he went on the documentary and it's cut with me saying, I didn't initially want to talk to the police because I thought it was a drug investigation And then the prosecutor saying, o, I'm so fascinated with what she's going to say, insinuating that I never spoke with him, but I did And I was under the impression that I would be testifying during the trial and I was willing to. And he said, okay, I'm going to call you whenever to come in to testify. And I was like And I never heard back. Now, I did find in the FOIA that there is a grand jury subpoena for Rosie that was in fact issued after Mackenzie's arrest And there are no notes from any sort of conversation that Rosie had with the prosecutor I think it could be possible that this conversation with the prosecutor was due to the grand jury subpoena So she's not she's refusing to talk to the police. She gets a grand jury subpoena. The prosecutor calls her and she does have these two phone calls with the prosecutor from what I can, I guess I tend to believe that, right? Now, so far, all signs point to the fact that she probably did talk to the prosecutor becausecause there is a subpoena, which means if she did not cooperate, they could have, like in the David case, with Neo arrested her Now, does it mean that every time someone doesn't cooperate with the prosecutor after a grand jury subpoena, they're automatically arrested? No, so like there's no way to factually say this is correct It's not it doesn't happen all the time It's just like you could get arrested if you don't cooperate. But she states that it was after MackKenzie's arrest and the grand jury subpoena was issued after MackKenzie's arrest. I see. Okay. Okay, so the timeline adds up. Yes. so it seems like from end of July to November, she doesn't talk to any detective. and then after the grand jury's subpoena, it seems like that is when she talks to the prosecutor on these two phone calls So if that's the case, that means Rosie did in fact talk to prosecutors, but it was after being subpoenaed and it was after Mackenzie's arrest. It's kind of what I feel like I can piece together through the FOIA, right? Now, the prosecutor states to Netflix, You have no idea how hard I tried to get Rosie Graham to talk to me, which I mean, it insinuates that Rosie Graham didn't talk But also it doesn't because he's just saying like, like I had to work on this a lot, right? I tried really hard. You have no idea how hard I tried. then And then it cuts with him saying to cooperate with me. So you have no idea how hard I tried to get Rosie Graham to talk to me, to cooperate with me. But it's good to hear that she talk to you guys. I'm fascinated to hear what she has to say He says to talk to me, to cooperate with me. It could be possible that Rosie did talk to the prosecutor, but maybe he said that because she might not have cooperated in the way that he was anticipating. Okay o. Like the fact that he's saying I'm fascinated to hear what she has to say, like maybe there's an insinuation of we did grand jury subpoena her, but maybe they got nothing out of that phone call. Maybe those two phone calls, there was nothing that they felt was. So why didn't she talk to the police and them in the initial three, four months Yeah, o, there's a whole thing. We asked them about that too. So I do want to note that if there was, I mean these phone calls, it's really hard to verify if they did occur in the sense of or like even the substance of the phone calls because if it were to have happened after a grand jury subpoena, a lot of things that are pertaining to grand juries are sealed typically, so it's just like a But The wording there is very interesting. How hard you tried to get Rosie Graham to talk to him to cooperate with him? I'm fascinated to hear what she has to say. Another interesting point is Rosie mentioned to our researchers quote, and he said, Okaykay, I'm going call you whenever to come testify. And I was like, great, and I never heard back could indicate that the prosecutors felt like she was unhelpful to the prosecution's case. And these are all me just like tinfoil hatting this and coming up with my own opinions. I still want to note, even if this were true in a hypothetical parallel universe, even if Rosie wasn't helpful to the prosecution's case, that doesn't mean anything That doesn't mean that she wasn't cooperating to the best of her abilities. It just means it wasn't useful. Yeah. I just tried to verify whatever statement I could with whatever relevant information I could find that is verified through the FOIA. but I want to state conclusively. I can't really prove anything to anyone. Like I'm just trying to verify people's statements and this is how my thought process worked. This is how we ended up As for why Rosie and Bubba were so hesitant to talk to the authorities, because Rosie never talked to the detective. Bubba took just like a long time. almost I think he talked to them near October, if I'm not mistaken. So it's just like weeks of the detectives hounding him to sit down for the investigators. They said that they had a very strong reason for why. and they state that it's not to help Mackenzie They state that there were seven people there at the night at the gathering of Paul's house. Paul, Nina, Rosie, Bubba, Mackenzie, Dom and Davion. Dom and Davion obviously can't tell the police what happened that night. Mackenzie's the one being investigated. Paul, Nina, Rosie, and Bubba. Paul actually spoke with the detectives. Bubba says they all had interviews lined up right after Paul. So Paul was the first one to go in for an interview. And then it was going to be like Nina, Rosie, Bubba. Like they all had it lined up in schedule I could actually see on the detective's report, like Rosie had an interview scheduled. But after Paul gets out of his interview, he communicates with the group. and according to Rosie and Bubba, obviously we didn't talk to Paul, but he communicates with them that the interview's not good. They were like he was basically telling them, this is what they say. Yeah, it's not good in there. And objectively, I didn't find anything necessarily alarming, granted, I think being asked questions by the police for such a serious investigation and asking about shrooms and purchasing shrooms and tripping. I can understand maybe it heightens someone's emotions and makes people overthink I do believe that Paul's mom was in the interview room as well, which could heighten the feelings of stress and anxiety when talking about having friends over and smoking weed when your mom is right there and there's investigators in front of you. and it is a very serious matter because two people are dead. So I can completely understand the heightened emotions. However, there's nothing particularly stand out about Paul's interview where objectively from a third party I can say, oh my Godd, like abort mission, like this is bad Right But I can see So you saw his interview too. Yes. Okay. Now Rosie relayed to us that Paul was kind of getting freaked out by the line of questioning T verify this, There were questions about guns. Guns? do they own guns? Yes. So they were specifically asking if they ever saw a Dom with a gun, If a gun came out that night at the gathering, asking if they'll just look in their backyard and see if they notice anything, which is kind of like a crazy ask. Yeah, they were like, well, if you see anything in your backyard, Like if you see guns, drug parapnia, likeike they were just like, if you see anything. They were asking if Dom was jealous of Kenzie's friendship with Paul, which Paul is like, well, no, because he knows I'm gay. I mean, I don't think that part is necessarily frightening, but I do think A at least the way it played out about saying, oh, well, no, Dom's not jealous because he knows I'm gay But I do think the part about the guns, that probably did freak Paul out It was like pretty extensive questioning about the guns. and I could see how he communicated that probably to Rosie and Bubba. So I think the whole gun thing happened because I think Dom owned guns or something of that sort But there was just a lot of focus on the guns for a brief moment in time in that Paul interview. So I think it did freak Paul out So I think there was just a lot of things happening. like they're asking about guns. they're questioning him about drugs that night and two people are dead. And there's just, I think he could be very frightened after this interview. Now, one thing that I did take note of, but I didn't particularly know how to feel about it was that I did take note that in the interview with Paul, and this is before our researchers spoke with Rosie and Bbba, there was a DA agent from the drug enforcement administration. Now, the DA officer mainly gave the whole little like mini lecture at the end of the interview that he's just like, Ohh, well don't you weed is not a gateway drug. Drugs are bad. You're going to college, you look like a good kid. Don't be doing drugs. like don't be hanging out with the wrong people. just because there's talks of them trying to buy shrooms and om And so there was just like a whole drugs can ruin your future and your lives type of type of conversation. The DA agent, I don't know why he was there. Is he here just to talk? That's what I thought, right? But I guess maybe his presence alone, whether it was not important, because sometimes DA agents will also just like support other investigations.. I don't know But it could also be the fact that there is a drug element to McKenzie's case. She was found wishrooms on her person and she was charged for drug possession and possessing criminal tools. So it does make sense that maybe a DA agent is involved. But I think all of these elements, Paul reiterates to Rosie and Bubba, and they said that they were freaked out. They said that they thought this was a drug investigation Rosie and Boba thought this is a drug investigation. Yes. So I think the way that they framed it or said to our researchers is what Paul told them about his interview They started all feeling very freaked out that they're investigating not the accident drugs And like they yeah. So like they said that they were feeling hesitant. Listen, I don't know. this is what they're saying. Now, Paul tells them that the cops had even like printed out text messages between Rosie and Mackenzie, where Rosie that night is like asking to buy Reed and Srooms. So I think that freaks Rosie out because she states, yeah, that freaked her out. Rosie says, so I told my dad My dad's a cop, ex retired chief or whatever, which they always feel the need to bring up. So she's like saying, peopleeople always bring this up as if like I'm part of a cover up. She says, but really it has no play in this besides me being like, well, they're asking about guns and drugs and I don't know anything about that. So she's saying that Paul tells her what happened She goes to her dad and is like, I don't know. They're like asking about guns and drugs and I don't know anything about guns and drugs. She says her dad speaks with their attorney, and the attorney tells them not to talk. Obviously, there's limits to what I can verify about any of the things anybody anywhere is saying, but one thing I could verify from this was that in the police document, it reads that Rosie's dad leaves a voicemail after Paul's interview, canceling his daughter's interview He doesn't really state a reason. I think at some point they state like mental health It is after Paul's interview. So they did have check Yes, but I don't know if that's why they canceled the interview, right? This is what they told me or told our researchers is why, but I can't verify. But the timeline does check out. Now, Paul notes something interesting in his interview that when he visited Mackenzie at the hospital after the crash, Natalie Sherilla, Mackenzie's mom, told them not to talk to Not only to Paul. Yeah and everybody. Yeah. But he is relaying this to the police. Okay. Right. So I think that's, you know, I don't know, right? So I guess you could people can interpret that in multiple different ways. But Paul states that he talked to Rosie about all of this. So he's like telling the police like, yeah, I've talked to Rosie about all of this. and he states that Rosie is his best friend. and Paul states to the officers that Rosie does want to talk to them. So like in his interview before he gets freaked out ike he's mentioning oh, yeah like, Rosy's my best friend. Yeahah, she wants to talk to you guys. because he knows that she has an interview lined up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see. But after Pause's interview, everything changed. Yes. So Rosie and Bubba state that they start hearing from others that this is a drug investigation, that since McKenzie was technically going to bring them shrooms, whether it be through Dom or someone else, right, there's like a sale of drugs that is going to happen, obviously evidenced by the text messages between Rosie and Mackenzie They stayated it seemed like they were trying to like crack down a whole network of people who were purchasing. So that's why they were hesitant to talk to the police is what they told our researchers. Rosie says in the Netflix documentary That's what she said about the drug investigation. Yes. So she So our researchers were asking like But that's like really weird because it was just like you sounded really out of left field in the Netflix stock being like, they're not looking into the accident. They're looking into the next drug dealer. Wh was just like very strong of an opinion. Oh so that's what she meant. Rosie says, yeah, basically. Yeah. She says that there was a lot more context to that. She told our researchers, quote, when we were filming, they sat me down and asked me in my eight hour long interview. One of the questions was So what was Dom's job? And I kind of looked at them kind of weird because they know what his job was. and I was like I don't want to say that on camera for everybody for the whole world. And they literally said to me, oh, the viewers are already going to know in the audience. like they're going to know that he was sometimes maybe perhaps allegedly you know. Yeah ye yeah. And like I don't even want to say drug dealer because it would mean, I guess legally, I don't know, right? But it it seems like you're like it seems evidenced by lots of text messages Right right. Yeah,. Okay. So she says that is what accounts for why my response got simplified down. It seems like they were trying to find the next big drug dealer. So she's saying she was under the impression the Netflix stock would include lots of this. So her oh, it didn't look like they were trying to investigate the accident. It looked like they were trying to find the next big drug dealer. She thought there would be a lot of V, very But instead, there was kind of none. It was out of context. I do want to clarify something. I think whatever Dom was doing is completely irrelevant to this entire case. It played no role in the crash. it played no role in the fact that his life was taken at twenty years old. And the only definitive part that really matters in the context of the crash and drugs is that drugs were found on Mackenzie's person. When she was pulled out of the vehicle, they found a whole bag of rooms on her person. Now, Rosie and Bubar are saying that they were under the impression like I said This is a drug investigation. That's what they're telling us. The police document also notes that the detective did reach out to Bubba's college football coach to try to get Bubba to come in for questions after all of them canceled their interviews. So it does seem like Nina. Nina's not really like, they don't really care about Nina. She didn't do the interview? No, ye. Oh, What? That's weird. She was there But I think she like barely knew. So I think Nina is Rosie's friend. 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SMintMobile dot com Bubba says the Netflix documentary, I think that from their original idea, the documentary involved too much, I guess the drug talk in a sense. and I could see it respectfully why the families wouldn't want that out there. But I guess that was their initial direction with this case or with this documentary. And then somewhere down the line, edit changes had to be made or whatnot, and it went a completely different direction. So Bubba is saying like he agrees with Rosie that he was under the impression This Netflix documentary was going to talk extensively about drugs, the drug investigation, the alleged drug investigation and all these things. Oh so in the doc, it wasn't talked about. Barely, just like they were gonna maybe trip. So everything you just said was not discussed. Yeah. So they share other stories of why they thought it was a drug investigation, and again, you either believe them or you don't, it's entirely up to you. I actually have no stance on this matter as I do think it's still kind of irrelevant to the crash itself Because the internet has been wanting to know why they didn't talk to the police, I guess this is their reasoning, so they state. Bubba says that the police were coming to his college to essentially ask about drugs. Again, furthering his belief, he states that the police were not interested about the night in question, that they were not interested in the a car crash, that they were interested in figuring out some sort of nefarious drug network that he, you know, doesn't really exist So he says, quote, afterfter practice, it's the seventh game of the season. they called me up to the coach's office, which is at the top of the Don Drum Stadium. I go up there and they're like, so we've been getting reports. The deean of the college is getting reports that you're involved in a drug trafficking case back at home. And that if you become a suspect and not a victim, we couldn't have that image on the team. Buba says, I was flabbergasted from that. I was like drug trafficking. I'm like, what the hell is going on Because even at this point, anyt timee the police reached out to me, they would come to my dorm and it was never about drugs. It was always about like, are you being intimidated not to talk to us? Is someone intimidating you not to talk to us about that night? Again, this is one of those things where I could not verify If the school is telling him drug trafficking case involving you, they must g that from the police Yes, But I can't verify that the school did say that to him. The only thing that I could verify is that the detective did reach out to his football coach. Let's say if that is true then what does that mean then? That means potentially there could be investigating for something more. I think they it could have been a dual investigation. I think they could have been running a homicide investigation and then the DA agent is in the line of questioning for a lot of these interviews because he could also be running his own investigation into maybe like a high school network of transfer of weed and illicit substances. So I could not verify that conversation, but like I said, I do know that there is mention in police reports that the detectives were reaching out to Bubba's football coach and it seems like they were repeatedly going to Bubba's collollege And that is kind of noted It did seem like they were trying to apply pressure to get him to talk, which isn't necessarily always a bad thing on the police's part, but that's just what I could verify. And as for the two officers talking about how Bubba told them, Wh's gonna intimidate me? I'm big dog, right? That wasn't one of our questions actually. L that was not one of my questions, that was not one of our researchers' questions, but it did come up naturally. And Bubba states, I simply told him like I wasn't being intimidated And he's like, I'm like, no bro, I'm like six foot to. like I'm not'm not be intimidated. No one's threatening me like to not talk to the police. I think I said something along the lines of like, I'm big dog at home. L it was he says it wasn't meant in any way. It was more of just like, I'm the second biggest kid in our high school. The first one just went to the Detroit Lions this year in the draft. I was the second biggest in the school after him. So he was explaining to our researchers like when he said, I'm big dog, he was't trying to be like, I'm top dog. I'm the shit. like no one messes with me. He was like, it seemed more like he was trying to say, like I'm I'm like I'm fucinking big dude. like I don't think and he's trying to express to them he's not being intimidated. But again, you know, again, this is not information I can verify. He says he eventually chose to talk to the police because he was reassured it was not a drug trafficking case. So at what point all you say it was October. Yeah, around October. I see, I see. So the line of questioning would be about the crash. So that's when he goes in and he sits with the interview or the police. Now, regardless, Rosie and Bubba state that they both spoke with the authorities, Rosie with the prosecutor, Bubba with the detective, and they state that their whole hesitancy came from the fact not because they were trying to help Mackenzie, not because they were trying to cover up anything from that night But because they state they believe that the police were investigating drug trafficking. Yeah. And Rosie states that she even received a phone call from a DA agent after Mackenzie's arrest, stating, I heard you're involved in a drug investigation from twenty twenty two. I couldn't verify that, obviously. But And since we had Rosie and Baba on the line, we just wanted to ask them all the questions I kept circulating on TikTok. I'm just gonna to tell you pretty much verbatim what they said. I'm gonna to try to take out as much of the rambling for clarity's sake, which like our researchers did They all agreed that there was some rambling on the call, right? But these were their responses. And of course, they are going to advocate for themselves. So we did try to fact check as much as we could through the police reports. But like I said, when it's unverifiable, I'm just going to state that outright. About their friendship dynamic, they state that they have been hanging out with Davonne for years since Bubba and Davonne played high school football together. As for McKenzie, Rosie just started hanging out with her and Dom Just a few months prior to the accident, we were just random like we just randomly started hanging out every day back to back. Next day, she would call me like, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? And what are we gonna do? And so that's, you know Wh I feel like I can speak from a point of like a lot of people want to say there's crazy internet speculation and a lot of people say, how could you not know their relationship was so toxic? But personally, we just didn't really see that side of them. I mean, as I said, we only started hanging out with them in the months prior. So she's saying like I'm not like I didn't know them for years And that was another thing online. A lot of people were saying things along the lines of, well, I mean, we are all bashing Rosie, but at least she's a rider dye best friend to Mackenzie. and we would all probably want a rider dye best friend. Rosie states that she actually is just like a recent friend with Mcenzie. She states that while they did hang out every day for a few months because they had gotten to know each other a few months before the crash She states it's not like they're best friends. She states that she already has her best friends. She has her really close friend group, and Mcenzie is new to the friend group. She states that she does not feel the need to cover up for her or anything. Rosie states that it just wouldn't make sense for her to lie and stand by Mcenzie because they're not really best friends like that. Rosie states it seems like the internet is all accusing her of covering up for Mackenzie, but she states that she doesn't have a reason to cover up for Mcenzie because they're not even best friends. Now in the FOA file I mean, I tried my best to verify. There is a little over six hundred pages of text messages between Mackenzie and Rosie. We did read through all of it just to figure out what kind of friendship it was. It was kind of a bizarre friendship. So for example, july sixth, twenty twenty two, McKenzie text Rosie, Do you like Matcha? Rosie responds, My mom's being really annoying and I have to go shopping with her to get food. I asked her for food money and she started arguing with me. MackKenzie responds, Ohh, damn, come next time And also like you post yourself in a bikini and like show your butt, but like if I did that, my whole TikTok would be getting fucking banned. I'm so jealous. Yeah, I need to get money, bro. I don't even know what I'm gonna do to get famous. Oh my God, I don't know why they do that to certain people. Dude, we're perfect duo to be famous. This is twenty five days before the crash. Rosie tries to sympathize with Mcenzie about her TikTok keeps getting banned. They banned like three of your accounts, I feel like, and literally like we're gonna be on our model shit. Mcenzie sends Rosie a picture and says, this is what got removed. Rosie explains that she tried to send MackKenzie Tiko, but they banned MackKenzie, so it's too late. Your account is there, but no profile pick, and I can't DM. McKenzie's freaking out. like, oh my god, took my profile pick. shouldhould go private? I hope they don't ban my whole account That happened to me the other day and then it just went back to normal. MackKenzie will then send Rosie. I'm making a media kit, You gotta tell me if it's good. Side note, this is MackKenzie's media kit, by the way. And she writes, My name is Kenzie Sharella. I'm a Pite model from Cleveland, Ohio. I love to express my personality through fashion and photography. One of my goals on social media is to help people be themselves and embrace the style they love I'm extremely body inclusive. I would love for brands to be more inclusive to the smaller sizes as well as the larger sizes. I'm extremely big on healthy living, clean brands, organic food. And then MackKenzie will just like suddenly text Rosie, Do you know you can order animal shit anonymously to people's houses? Like when I say animal, I'm talking like elephant shit like that or lion Seven hours later, Mackenzie is asking Rosie, how much she make from TikTok Rosie's like,h depends if I have a good month, like good videos that month, The most was like one hundred and fifty. sometometimes it's like forty. Mackenzie's like, dude, I'm jealous. I need to get in on that fund. I have eighty eight dollars from going live. I want more. Oh my God, I've never made anything going live, only from the creator fund. And so there's like just like rants about TikTok, mainly Mackenzie complaining. She complains that someone reported her account for being under fourteen She has Rosie fill out something that's gonna to help confirm that she's not under fourteen. Rosie writes, okay, I filled it out and said Hella about how you're an influencer literally graduated high school and you're being mass reported for being thirteen when you're not even, and none of your content violates anything. and it's your job, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. Mackenzie writes, I love you so much and Brad. Tmorrow is gonna be so fun Yes, they better give you your fucking account. I'll fuck someone up. They better. I'm manifesting, MackKenzie complains. Literally, I don't even know how to get my followers back. Honestly, just push out hella good content because they love you and new accounts tend to blow up. I'm so sad about this account fuck TikTok Mackenzie is very nice to the people that she To the people that have the things she wants. So for Rosie, it seems like it's the followers. Rosie had at that point, like two hundred thousand followers on TikTok and YouTube. Mackenzie never really got more than a few thousand. So her attitude towards Rosie seems vastly different from how she treats other people that she doesn't really want anything from. I mean, like you saw the way that she was texting people and DMing people Being a brat, she doesn't seem to show that side to Rosie. So I was kind of surprised by that in the six hundred pages. I was just trying to figure out the depth of their friendship. and it seems like they just like share weird ideas back and forth. Mackenzie will text Rosie. You should make a TikTok vlog of you tripping. Okay, this one I thought was a little Yeah Be exactly, MackKenzie has been complaining about how TikTok has been banning her account nonstop and then all of a sudden, she's like, you should make a TikTok vlog of you tripping which is I'm like, are you trying to sabotage? it was weird. Not that I'm like defending anyone, but like it's just like a weird kind of suggestion. Yeah, whichich feels sabotagey to me, but I don't know. And then she hits it with an LOL to which Rosie responds, LMFAO, I want you so bad, but my mom has TikTok and I blocked her, but her weird ass would make another account. SMH, I wish I could post it like that too. My mom follows me too. And just some like random texts from Mackenzie that read, yeah, this fucking Thursday bitch, we're about to look bad as fuck. And another one from Mackenzie, I feel like you're gonna be scared at my driving, We're the exact opposite this MackKenzie is picking up Rosie. and Rosie is expressing how it's nice to be driven once because she's usually the one picking people up and MackKenzie tells her but like I love to drive too, but I'm crazy though And MackKenzie is just kind of yapping. anotherother text says, I think I'm gonna make a YouTube, but I don't know what to record on or what videos to make Later, they joke about tripping on shrooms at the carnival, which McKenzie thinks is quote, bro, euphoria moment. Rosie says, no literally. Mackenzie says, I'm excited. To summarize, nearly all six hundred pages felt like variations of yes, you're so hot. No, I love you, No, you're the cutest. fuck, why is your mom being annoying? You're TiTok band, I'm so pissed for you It felt like I will say not like a particularly deep friendship. There was no personal conversation. there was no like much relatability. Much of their friendship is based off of taking photos of each other. Mackenzie text Rosie. That's what I'm saying. The pictures are going to be fire. I don't care if people are staring. If they're not talking about pictures, they're talking about social media. Rosie will text Mackenzie, Rose When you were banned yesterday, your baby Kushy account was on my FIP like three times every time I opened TikTok MackKenzie responds, No way, sameame with you to be honest. Your videos are all over my FIP. And then Rosie would respond, Oh my god, work, we're famous Mcenzie says I need to hit one hundred K. Yes, you will. You should try scripting with that. Like when I was popping on YouTube, I was manifesting by writing every day. I have however many followers or subscribers or this video got this many views and it works like a charm. Bro, keep manifesting. I'm manifesting my account back right now. Rosie's like, yes, I haven't scripted in so long, I feel like it works the best Mackenzie's like, I would usually write on paper then burn. And then Mackenzie informs Rosie that she's going to take on the nearly impossible task of cooking for herself. She texts, I'm going to try to make myself an egg. It's embarrassing, but I don't know how to do it, Lell This is like kind of one of the more in depth conversations they have. Rosie responds, ew, not an egg. to eat. I hate eggs Yes, LOL. I like the gooey. Hha, I'm done with eggs bro. I used to love them. Chhew, is that like vegan to you? Rosie says, I'm such a hater. Yes, like I'm almost vegan if I didn't eat cheese We eat eggs if their grass fed free range, no hormones MackKenzie says, though, I'm not gonna to make them. I don' to smell I don't want you to smell when you come because I would hate that. And Rosie's like, Haha, no, you're okay. Mackenzie says, I'm weird to fuck with smells. I'm good with smells. Dude, you can try seosas. Oh my go, yes. Do you want to polle? I'll make Domo get you some too I'm okay, but So they never fought in the text, like you know how McKenzie will crash out No, and I think it's literally because well, here's me speculating, but I do think that MackKenzie is very kind to people who she thinks will help her get what she wants. You know, because she cares about herself Yeah most right Yeah. That's so interesting So she's very polite and just supportive. Yeah. other then, the only part where I was like, weird was when Mackenzie was like, you should make a vlog of yourself tripping. It felt a little sabotagey After all of her rants about getting banned on TikTok for doing nothing, and then she's like, Hey violate community guidelines right now. It was just kind of was weird, o.. And you think that's why Rosie response, you know, describes MackKenzie in that way is because if that's kind of the friendship she has with? Yes. I think it would be understandable to see where Rosie is coming from and how she describes her relationship with Mackenzie and how she specifically felt about Mackenzie. I think the part that people might have problems with for sure is the fact that you didn't know her that long and you had more of a surface level friendship. and yet it does seem like she has a lot of hope and faith in McKenzie's that this was an accident They don't one hundred percent think it's an accident at least from what they told our researchers in the sense of like they're dead set. Like this was an accident. They're not like MackKenzie and MackKenzie's parents They are more so, they stayed on the side of. Yeahah, I think it's completely understandable for Rosie to speak on her friendship with McKenzie. And it does seem like MackKenzie was a very nice friend to Rosie to some degree, at least in the six hundred page text message thread But I think where people have a problem is when she uses this shorter friendship to kind of Like a character judgment. Yes. Yes. exxactly. So I think because you don't know McKenzie well enough to And just because she was nice to you for five, six months doesn't mean that you can really wholeheartedly teent toes down talk about her character. I think is what people are feeling and saying. I think that's why, you know, there's like kind of the weird argument of people are saying like, would it be better if they were best friends forever? you know? Because then it's like you can kind of understand It's like, maybe you grew up together and you're like, so this is your only friend. I don't know. But I wonder if it's like long term friend like then you can really see the pattern of someone. You're like, yeah I can't see her doing that but. she's crazy. like But then if you just know someone for like a short period and they're so nice to you, maybe. But yeah, that's the argument that people have online, which is like you can have those feelings, but you can't really be a character witness. Also side note, Rosie at one point is like complaining about TikTok banning her randomly and then like unbanning her or whatever. And then she says, I don't understand their stupid ass app. Okay, this is Rosie. Mackenzie responds, Oh, that's so weird. It's probably because it's run by Asians. Mackenzie? Yeah. They ran about their boyfriends together. Rosie will text Mackenzie about Bubba, her boyfriend. We're fighting. This motherfucker is so annoying. Like why am I even with him? McKenzie's like, what do you do? Oh, we're still coming, but he's always fucking arguing. likeike shut the fuck up, stop bringing stuff up that you know is about to start an argument. too which Mackenzie responds, remember, you're the top dog bitch Tell him to shut the fuck up if he says anything when you're here. Yeah, pereriod. So it doesn't seem like they talk in depth about their relationships like these are very ub Like, no, you're the baddest bitch. you don't need him. likeike it's very okay, thanks They don't go in depth. Yeah, yeah. Now, they also contemplate why their boyfriends are so bad at taking pictures. MackKenzie wonders, why are they like this? Rosie says, I'm better off with a tripod. MackKenzie also just rants about everyone, generally speaking. You know, she even sends Rosie this audio message where she says, quote, I'm just gonna send you this voice memo because it's easier. The second party we went to on the fourth, the fucking it was Strongsville popular people. Like I don't even know. it was open invite like this big ass mansion. That's why I was like, you guys need to come because like somebody was asking about Bubba and then I was like, I invited Rosie and them. but I don't know what they're gonna do. Fucking Haileley, you know, de Pompe de Meghan. I don't know, like she's saying something, okay, I can't really decipher. And all of them were there. Hailey came up to me and was like, she's like Please don'tate me. literally being like, don' hate me, don'tate me, don't hate me, don'tate me And I was like, Hailey, you made a TikTk about me. Like I seen it And then she was like playing dumb. and I'm like, Hiley, I actually like have the TikTok. I have the TikTok. I literally showed her and she's like, I'm gonna be real. I made it. I'm like, Hileley, I know you made it. That's fucking weird. Like only insecure people make fun of people. And I was like, we can set that beside us. wh you know, whatever you're drunk, it's like cool. And she's like, we need to hang out. tryry to like be all cool with me. So even when she rants about people, it's not as like intense as how she does with other friends so far from what I've seen. Like she's not saying like that stupid bitch needs to go back to subway. like she's not really, you know, but it's just like weird. Mcenzie rants about how quote, this person is making me so mad right now, driving twenty seven into thirty five. That's about it. Like there's not really much substance to their friendship and you do with that information, what you will Rosie tells Netflix, I genuinely do not think that this could have been on purpose, intentional, or planned. Like it doesn't make sense to me, we were all friends. Rosie tells Netflix, I was with them every single day. and I wasn't, you know, there wasn't daily arguments. It wasn't like anything crazy like that Rosie states to our researchers. It's so weird because now I'm just seeing people online making fun of me for saying, oh, we had the best friend group, but it really was like a really chill vibe. And up until even that night, we were doing the stuff that we would normally do, watching TV, watching movies, going outside, just talking, listening to music. It's like a lost art form and nobody even does that anymore. And it was like we would do these wholesome things and it just feels like a lot of the toxic relationship drama is kind of sweeping that up we somehow were involved in any of that or saw it and genuinely never saw anything like that. And if we ever did hear anybody threaten anybody or if they were arguing that night or if they were arguing about anything, we would be the first people to say that. I would not sit here and defend something or just lie about You know, what now is a double homicide or about my friends losing their lives in general Also she's saying that she actually doesn't know they have a toxic relationship O Okaykay, her thing is more so people are trying to break down why she's telling people that she did not witness a toxic relationship. But Rosie is saying, but I'm only speaking on what I witnessed when I was around them. But then she also acknowledges two things can be true though She's saying like, obviously, I didn't see those text messages. like she's saying like, obviously I don't have their phones. Yeah. so all the in like all the videos we've seen of Rosie talking about If she didn't know. basically what. But I don't know how she stands. I don't know if she's standing, I don't know how much of the text messages she's seen now. I don't know if she thinks that they had a toxic relationship or if this is a normal toxic relationship for high schoolers in her mind. I don't know. Rosie states that the only nice responses that she really receives now after the Netflix documentary is like Okay, well, I guess you're a good friend though for keeping her secrets and defending her because you love her so much. And Rosie states that she is not doing that. She says literally the whole online response is every single person just thinks I'm lying or covering up something for her and I would never ever cover up a murder. That is insane. So what made people think she's covering for MackKenzie again? Is it The hesitancy to talk to the police It does seem that Rosie does not think that Mackenzie did this intentionally. And I think that makes people question Rosie because A lot of people have seen the FOIA file. A lot of people have heard from Dom's family members. They just don't see why Rosie could say that having such a shorter friendship with Mackenzie. And then I guess people are also confused because they're like, okay, well, Rosie and Bubba were closer to Davon I will say that there are like two points in the text messages where Mackenzie complains about her relationship with Dom. but from judging by Rosie's responses, again, none of them are kind of taken seriously. Rosie does say that they had conversations in person, but I don't know, it's just like very There's not a lot of depth. so I can see maybe why she's saying that she didn't see it at that time. I don't know This is a paid ad by Better Help There may be a version of you that's really good at holding it together, who checks in on others, stays on top of it all, but there also may be a version who gets in the car at the end of the day and just sits there for a minute Most of us know this feeling and chances are you're probably gotten really good at minimizing it, filing it away. 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It's like, o, he's so dom. likeike he's so blah blah, blah blah. And then Rosie's like, o. And then MackKenzie will text you wantanna come to Dom's, if you want, we can take dabs which like why would anyone want to go there if they're fighting? So Rosie is like, Eayo, it's okay. You don't want to come? Should I? Yeah, you can come Okay, he lied to me, so I'm gonna smoke all his dabs. So then Rosie is like, haa, period. So it's like very like it doesn't yeah. But again, the main reason we wanted to talk to Rosie and Baba is to ask them what happened that night. I mean, there's no way that you can definitively know the truth, but there were two people that were there and this is what they've had to say about that night in question. They state that MackKenzie and Dom were not fighting that night at Paul's. and they state it's frustrating that the documentary painted as if Rosie and Buba were the only two others at the party or the gathering. But they're saying there's two other people, Paul and Nina. So I guess they're expressing to our researchers like what would all four of us gain out of like lying about them not fighting that night They' like it doesn't like make sense why people are like, no, they definitely fought that night. Like they they're confused why nobody believes them. when they say there was no fighting that night. Bubba says he was awake with the guys most of the night. likeike they were all on the couch. So it was Bubba, Davon, Dom, and Mackenzie. and they were just like watching TV. Mackenzie was falling asleep. He says that oh, there was one thing that he mentioned, which is like right when Mackenzie, Davon, and Dom arrived to Paul's house Within a little bit, Mackenzie and Dom leave briefly. So they go back to Dom's house And Bubba says they were gone for like fifteen, thirty minutes because quote, they all ate healthy, like they ate non GMO, so they would always have like special snacks and they ended up having to go back home like ten minutes after they got there to grab their snacks, to grab popcorn and to grab, I think it was like blueberries or some shit. That's what he says. But then they ended up going back to grab those separately. So they leave Davion. And they went in the car and when they came back, it was still perfectly fine Yeah, they were gone for fifteen minutes, but he doesn't think that they were fighting in that time because it didn't seem like they came back tense. Like it seemed like they were in a happy mood when they got back. But I guess his thing was if Mackenzie had planned to kill Dom, why wouldn't she have done it on that drive? I guess is maybe the insinuation because he's like, you know, that's whole thing that's completely left out about that night. But again, like I said, a lot of netizens don't think it was like pre plananned days in advance, it was more so like maybe an argument broke out in the car on the way home. Maybe an argument did not break out when they went to go grab snacks So the next morning, they wake up or well, Mcenzie wakes up, A lot of the others hadn't gone to sleep. Bubba and Davion have plans. Bubba says Davion was going to help him, quote, paint the bottom of my truck and paint it black and get all the rust off and everything. And we were gonna do that. And he was like, oh, I could just come back to your house so we could wake up and do it. And I was like, I mean, that's fine with me. And then at the last moment, so he's supposed to go home with Bubba, sleep at Bubba's and then do it. But then at the last minute, he's like, you know what? I'm just gonna go home, AK Doms, shower, sleep, like we'll hit each other up maybe around noon. Mackenzie Dom and Davon get into the car. The two don't make it. A huge conversation online since the release of the documentary, and it's not necessarily what was said in the documentary, but people looking into the case There have been conversations, like I said, from those police reports of other interviews of friends, just like hearsay, that Rosie stated to someone that she drove by the crash site that morning before the police were called And whether she didn't see it or didn't call the police, like that's been like a huge conspiracy online, right? R researchers asked Rosie, and Bubba says, lookook, the police have video of Mackenzie's car turning onto progress. Okay? That turn. And if anybody else went that route, anybody, they knew anyone in the car, they would see it in camera. L Bubba says it's obvious from a logical standpoint that this is not true and somehow the media is running with it. So we kept pressing them on it because We're just like, well, we just want to know where this is coming from And they state that there's a friend, supposed friend who had gone to the police and said that Rosie was super emotional and had made a comment about how she drove past them that morning on her way home from Paul's So she also left Paul's drove by the crash site. and like that's also making her even more emotional now that you know, she knows they're dead. So they're explaining like, okay, basically, and this is verified through the police interview There's someone who went to the police and was like, you know, Rosie was mentioning how she was so emotional because she also left Paul's that morning and drove by the crash site on her way home. So like it's kind of up in the air what that means But a lot of people on the internet took it with she drove by the crash site. like she saw the car or could have seen the car, maybe she didn't look out the window, but drove by that exact road where the car was crashed into the building. That's how everyone's taking it And of course, a lot of people are spinning it in the more nefarious way and saying like, she drove by, saw McKenzie's car and was like, holy shit, Mackenzie actually went through with it So she doesn't call the cops and she just keeps driving home And then because maybe she feels guilt, maybe she feels all these emotions, she mentions it at like one of the vigils. and it becomes a whole thing. It gets reported to the police. So we're like, we just need to know. whereere were you? Like where was they pretty much like got a Google maps explanation, gave it to the researchers. They're like, we live here, this is where Bubba lives, this is where Rosie lives. like they were giving the full breakdown of the entire town Now if we deduce the main points, Rosie had gotten up So Rosie had slept. So she gets up and she's like gathering her stuff. she had gotten up to use the restroom. She's gathering her coloring books and eventually her and Bubba are like, u, let's go. Like we want to sleep in the bed. like let's go to Bubba's house. And they said that they were going to go to Bubas and they were going both sleep and wake up later around noon Because remember, Davon was like, Ohh yeah, I'm gonna to come help you with your car around noon. Yeah. So they both drove separately to Paulses. Bubba gets in his car And Rosie gets in her car Her whole thinking was, Bubba's parents are pretty strict, so they don't let her sleep over But it's daytime So like technically she can take naps It's like this is kind of like a nap So then she drives to Bubba's house and she states that when she gets there, Bubba's mom has COVID So she's like, you know what Maybe not smart for me, so forget it, I'm just gonna drive home. So she gets to Bub us and then decides she's gonna drive home. And the only way for her to drive home is using really the main road which is peearl Not progress. Pearl. Pearl is the main road. likeike this is where all the restaurants are, this is where the Starbucks is. Apparently there's so much traffic on Pearl, but Pearl pass the entrance of progress where Mackenzie had turned right. She passes the entrance. She does not go on to progress ever. Got it. That's what she says. Now she passes the entrance. and she also like is saying if I had and I wasn't like talking to the police, I guess the argument is like the police would have known and they would have Yeah yeah z Yeah Yeah. And there's like no mention of it anywhere. Right. She thinks that this rumor could have started because everyone was gathered at the crash site, like fifty or one hundred people after the car was taken And there was flowers. it was like a vigil that was set up and a lot of the high schoolers would just kind of hang out there because It was a way to grieve together and not alone. And she says, maybe somebody there heard that I drove down Pearl and maybe it got mistranslated and everybody there is just obviously like trying. I mean, there was just a bunch of rumors going around to everybody trying to speculate on what had happened So she states that she never specifically spoke to the person that told the police this. But she thinks maybe that's how this whole story got started Be I can see that. I could see Rosie being emotional and like mentioning like I was just driving down Pearl on the way home. And I passed the entine and then it just kind of yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, ye And this is less pertinent information, but I thought it was interesting, okay. But Rosie told us that on the drive home from Buba, she's driving down the main road, passing the entrance of progress, not on progress, but passing the entrance. And she said that she was getting really emotional. So the whole theme of the night at Paul's and technically all of this was it was a graduation party and they've been going to all these grad parties She says we're going to college soon. We were all locked in to go to different colleges. Me and Nina were going to a college that was like two and a half hours away. Bubba was going to a college that was two hours away. So it was just kind of a lot of stress. And then Kenzie and Dom weren't going to college and neither was Deion. and our friend Paul was going somewhere else. So it was just like everybody was getting separated. So the whole theme of that night for us was just Everybody was getting separated And you know, we're going to college kind of scared. We're going to leave home and we're going have to make new friends. So on my drive home, I'm literally reflecting on the fact that this city that I'm driving through because as I said, you know, this is the main road. I have so many memories in this city. I'm passing by the carnival that we went to. I'm passing by all this stuff and I'm literally like crying in the car. Rosie's crying. Yeah. That's what she says, right? I mean, this is obviously like anecdotal story that is not relevant to the case, but she's just like giving us a lot of context. And she says like there was this beautiful sunrise and it felt like a warm summer morning, which that's the only thing I could fact check, which the sunrise and the time that she's driving home does check out And she says, you know, I have all my windows down and I'm not even playing any music. and I'm just like, wow, this city isn't so bad. And I have a nice friend group now But then also kind of sad because now we're all going to separate colleges and I have to try and find new friends in college. And she says, you know, I feel like when I was growing up, we're like,, I hate the city. Everybody sucks here. like this place sucks. And then I finally had a moment where I was like Maybe it's not that bad. L mayaybe I'm gonna miss it here. And then I got home, I went to sleep, and I got woken up by a phone call from Bubba and he was just like bawling his eyes out and I couldn't even understand what he was saying. She mentions how she told this all to the Netflix documentary producers and they actually wanted to film a whole scene. So they were like planning on doing a whole like a recreation of the suunrise moment where she's driving But she says, I don't know how it all just ended up getting cut out note, it seems that Bubba found out about the crash because Daveian was had been staying with Bubb's for a little bit and the head football coach had called Bubba's mom. Buba was waiting for Dave Von. so he was actually outside in the driveway prepping his truck for Davion to come and to help with the truck So he said that he was trying to make sure the lines were straight, doing all the prep work under the truck. and then quote, that's when my mom came out and told me and yeah, that is just a mess after that Ultimately, Bubus states multiple times throughout this call. Mackenzie was not my friend And I know this might sound harsh or might come off as a bad way. But if she would have lost her life in that accident Or some like really excruciating evidence came out and she got booked for like thirty years to life and it was a harsher sentence than what she has now. it would not affect me in any way I would not care. McKenzie was now my friend. She was more of Rosie's friend. They always did their thing, like when we always hung out. I mean, I've had a handful of conversations with her. I was never her friend. Davon was the closest thing to a brother for me since him living with me. I own one of his football jerseys. He got buried in the other one He was truly the closest thing to a blood brother to me. So my whole stance on this is I just want to know the truth The reality of it, at least for me, I don't care how long she sits in jail. I don't care about any of that. What I care about is knowing the true story of knowing how they lost their lives Rosie has, oh, okay, side note about, there was a lot of people thought that Rosie was doing the Netflix documentary for social media attention and they do bring up her social media handles. And there's like parts where Rosie is like, Ohh yeah when I at Mackenzie, I had two hundred thousand followers on YouTube, right? Rosie says she wanted the producers to not include any of her social media She says that it was irrelevant to the case because it's not like they were doing videos together and she's mainly on YouTube doing her fitness stuff, and that has nothing to do with MackKenzie. So she said that she didn't want any of it on there, but then the producers during the eight hours were asking her what she does for work. And then they would ask her like, o, how many followers did you have when you first met Mackenzie? And she says But you have to understand like I sat down and they asked me all these things and I just answered I wasn't being careful with the questions I was answering. I was literally answering every question. There wasn't one question that I didn't answer basically. So she's stating that she did not do the Netflix stock for fame. She said that She specifically requested it not be included And then they were like asking her, so she was just answering. Butubba states that he has text messages with the documentary crew stating that Rosie's social media is not relevant. So he's also confirming like, okay, we're not gonna to use her social media, right? Because they're dating still. And so he's like just checking in, like Rosie wants to make sure. So it seems like he's saying that he has some sort of text messages with the documentary crew talking about how Rosie's social media isn't relevant I did not see that text message, but that's what he told us. Now I do want to note that there are members of Dom and Davon's family that do not seem to appreciate what Rosie and Bubba have been saying. What they said in the Netflix documentary and maybe things that have been said and done behind closed doors. I could imagine that they probably didn't appreciate maybe Bubba talking about the pendulum in the police interview. L I could see how that could be highly offensive to Davon's family as well. Rosie and Bubba state that they just want to know the truth of what happened. They express wishes that the trial could have been what they believed to be fair. They didn't necessarily think the trial was fair. They thought that Mcenzie's attorney was not that They didn't like the fact that the defense did not call in an expert. So there was no expert called in to testify that McKenzie's potts could have played or couldn't have played a role. So they I mean the trial only lasted four days. So they just felt like they don't definitively feel like they know what happened in the car that night is how they state they feel. And while they do think that they would like a new trial, they also express like they know it would just open so many wounds for the victims' families. So like it seems like they get it. Rosie also says She feels like the families quote took us originally canceling those interviews as really suspect And she says recently, I didn't even know this happened, but they put it in the evidence file that Davaveon's mom emailed the police and was like, Rosie made this TikTok about somebody betraying her, and I'm assuming it's about Bubba because he's cooperating with the police. Rember? And she says, I had no idea they were just taking my random TikToks. and I was following these TikTok trends. I had no idea that they connected the random videos and matched it up with me intimidating people to not speak with the I think she felt that way because she thought that I wasn't cooperating. Rosie says, we definitely thinking back now, we should have just sat down and talked to the police the second everybody else did because everybody says that's somehow suspect and we literally only canceled it because we really did not want to be involved in some big drug bust, especially when we have no credible knowledge. Obviously, Rosie being there for Halloween of twenty twenty two and dressing up with McKenzie as playboy Cardy doesn't necessarily make Dom and Daveon's family want to be receptive either you know, more receptive to what they have to say either, to which Rosie says, So in the documentary Rosie, you know, there's this point where they show the Halloween picture and she's just like, it's playboy Cardy. Anyone my age knows it's playlayboy Cardy. So it's not really touched upon that that was fucked up. So Rosie's just like, it's not a corpse. it's playboy Cardy. Right. And so Rosie was saying, yeah, I mean, I think they immediately, the family labeled me as like, oh, you're her crazy best friend and don'told anybody accountable. and you guys are going around dressing as corpses or whatever, you know, a few months after. And the matter of fact about that is and they edited down in the documentary to just like, oh, we just dressed as playboy Cardy, But it was really like, no Like no, we really shouldn't have done that. We shouldn't have done that. I was irresponsible. I don't know, we were in college. and there's so many things that I would have done differently in hindsight, not knowing how this was all gonna to play out. But there is a part where she kind of tries to explain their thought process Where she was like at this point, Mackenzie was trying to do a lot of things for Dom and Daveonne. So she was explaining like how they had all planned to go visit Rosie at her college for Halloween because Ohio University is known for having the craziest Halloween and that Dom loves Playboy Cardy. and there was like this explanation about it, which I feel like I did try my best to keep a neutral presentation thus far. and this is where I would have to voice My very strong disagreement. I think it's good that Rosie realized that they definitely shouldn't have done that because it is, like she said, irresponsible. And they've all said that they believed that Halloween was a way to celebrate Dom and Daveonne's lives and that even McKenzie going to the kid Cutie concert was a way to celebrate Dom