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Venmo check out notot available at all merchants. VenMoaster card issued by the Banankcor Bank andA Hello my friends, welcome to fiveive Brilliant Things where I talk to fascinating people about the stuff they adore. Today's guest T Gest is a musician and songwriter who's created some of the most iconic British music of the last few decades, including the music for goodood newews Fr Cassabian, it's Serge Pzoro and here are his five brilliant things You know what's funny because you know you realize when you're older and you really start to realize how weird you are. Becauseuse when that came in, I you know I was like,, you know when someone asked you I was really looking forward to school, you know big fan, right? And I was like, it' is going gonna to be great. And then went like, you've got to do this. And I was like, Oh, what I got to do? Do you mean I'm going to do something? Yeah, yeah yeah. And there's like like a proper went back to being a kid going, this feels like homework. this is horrible. I shouldn't be that. And I'm bad with like, you know, I realize I'm so bad with like Admin and that. It's terrible It's when I feel like I'm being told I need to do like I go back into the school thing. Yes where it's like I was so bad And if I had to do something like a home anything like that, straight away I' go into Ieresting. I'm not into this. So what What does it feel like writing an album? Is there a similar I love that because Beurely to me there's that similar thing where so hello by the way, Y. But if we have if we have I say what are your five brilliant things? Yeah, I would say in a similar way that when you're writing an album Effectively, these are your eleven brilliant things Y the year. Yes So is there not that similar I mean, maybe there was, but but this one, I don't know, you know, because it's just because because it can be anything, you know I like it's too too too wide And I'm like and you know And then and then it's like, what's that French saying that the spirit the Escadeere, you know, where you' You know the staircase so you You know, when I leave, I'll be like know I should have Yeah ye yeah yeah yeah. on the train going like treasury tags. Wh don't mention them, you know? G what I'm saying But I think it's one of those things where if if you treat it properly It's actually quite an existentially terrifying question What are the things I love? Yeah. And it's like, oh Godd. Yes, no what does that mean? It's never ending, right? It's never ending. And then it's like, yeah, there's that thing of like like it really took me back to tests and like homework and I was like, I was just never the one everemic. No, and I do it with that. I can see now I've got emails pile up of like You need to sort out things and I'm like can't do it not for me though. And I'm capable of it. It's just something. There's a very interesting interview that Mark Maron did with Louis C. K. where Louis Squ's talking and Mark Marinays, do you remember that flat you lived in and there was hot sauce on the carpet and there was bits of glass and the hot sauce and you never You never picked it up and Louis CK just said, I just couldn't do it. And that to me speaks to I might get that thing where you go, you know you've got to do it. Mad is't it? But you just can't For whatever reason, like during that whole time period, he wrote sitcoms and stand upp shows and all these things and he could have picked a glass and hse that was by his feet. I get it, I've got a bit of cardboard I found outside my studio last night. And it's been there It's such a weird like because I've got canvas do do art in my studio. I've got some canvases. And it came in a cardboard box in it. it was bu. it's just been outside and it's like, I've gone look I was like, that's probably been there like three months. I was like, whyy have not moved that anyway? I don't know. My boys whripped me know I mean because they' across all this, they go, oh, yeah, you need to You need to find out I don't care what it is, man. I just this is the way I've been and I'm happy with it and it's you know it works. It's the reason why I can write the albums though. That's the thing. Whatever that is is the reason why I can get locked in and find music everywhere.. Right, let's start this homework What is your what is your first brilliant thing Well See, see, because I was like to my wife like, what should I do? What I'm gonna do? She went, Well, you really like that egg pan, right I I can't say like egg pan, you know what mean? So was I thought about on the train, I thought, even though it does make perfect, like the best most perfect eggs ever witnessed a man, you know, like like Like almost like you get in a Japanese hotel where they's just like, you can't cook it anywh. I know you know, I'm a great chef but I can do an egg. So she's like, that wouldd be perfect. I was like, can I've not got bits on that. So I thought I'll change that to accents because I love accents. like and I'm obsessed with them I just live they're the most amazing I just adore them. Yes. And we live in an incredible country where you can go in the space of a four hour car journey you can hear every single variation of these The best Yeah it's extraordinary. Be what I love when you do your mums. Yeah, and that kills me. A little likes you like that? You love it. Yeah like that. Every time when you just drop into and that's the bit that does make. It's funny, isn't it? It' that weird Well it's certainly because I would say the West country definitely has there's a friendliness to it and The an inclusivity as well that is just very it just all right. Yeah. That's how you do the West Cry. All right. Yeah it's my lover. Yeah. And but you anyone could be your lover. It's the best, isn't it? But from note, but like, you know, there's your change my lover. See you later and it's justK Max. Yeah Totally. You know what I mean I R remember just hearing a girl that she was in It was my cousin Sandy's mate She had some huba Buba. She went You've got some huba Bubby Huba Buba. o lurky And it was so is gold. Yeah Lurky Yeah. That's the thing I'm upsetting as well with inflection. Yeah. Lester's mad because We join words so we'll be like Gorregero You know, got toir up and it's like P people just look at you like, well you know, it's just, you know, we just join We just add and join and it's just But Leicesters was one like that sort of midlands the It's a very very difficult accent to do. Yeah because it's so swar is There's something about the Nottingham accent similar. Yeah. we are we are close. there there's as there's a slight difference there's sort of feel like it's more you they sort of youre going into sort of stoke and, you know But we are very similar. like I mean you got to get to get in like all you fuck off, you know I mean? That's a really good way to get into it. A the way you get into like like the Jeordy to get in If you say Lazz quazer, you know what I'm saying? So if you want to do that accents, you got Lzer quQazer. Yeah know what I mean And then what's like Birminghamy's like mushy pee, like mushy pee. So you know what I mean? I'm not going to go any deeper than that because I can hear people already going, don't go any further than that, you know what I mean? But I can't go any further. There's many things I can say Do what I mean? Do you, when you're, you know you're in this massively successful band Do you ever feel like I'm gonna to pop a bit of local in? in a way that a comedian would say everyvery now and again I think about it, but don't it What would you try and do the the Geordi accent. wouldould you No? You' for the benefit of the people are listening home this man sccrewed his face up in a look of cringe and horror. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's too it's because of the You end up somewhere different. you know what I mean? Yeahike you start. Yeah, yeah. It'd start pretty well and then he'd end up like, you know, man or something about, o what am I doing now? Do you have this? Do you ever feel like because there's certain kind of I think if Kassabian is like a proper like powerhouse band can't really you don't strike me as kind of talking between songs. And yet what's interesting is you are very funny engaging guy But I feel like when you're doing live shows, it's like Yeah like you have such anthemic Big Uh There's a lot of momentum to the music you write. It doesn't feel like it would lend itself to So this one's about No a new crew. agree. I think We have like Defitely now with a set, you know, we're literally rehearsing today There are moments where Yeah I think, you know, becoming a frontman, I've started to sort of understand the the job better in terms of it's quite nice when you sort of just Do you know what I've found as well is when you just sort of chat about when it just feels like you're just having a conversation, you know, rather than you know, obviously you've got the things that work you know Le side, right You know I' saying? everybody scream, right? Yeah yeah. Shout the town name always works. Yeah. But you know when you just sort of notice something and then you just speak as if you were talking to one person. Yeah, although there's fifty odd thousand people there. It's amazing. the energy of what with. It's mad, isn't it? What's really interesting is I think it's because There's probably a level of expertise that we expect from you that we know we're going to see you play these huge songs, you're going to sing them really well. So when we see you go Oh I was in a I was in a chip shop earlilyer and they got really nice fish cakes. It's this proof that you go This is this is actually happening. Yeah, yeah abutely. Yeah ye. those moments when you're in a gig and you know for certain person is in a plant and he's reacting in that way or and it's I don't know, it's this kind of in it's this Beautiful way where we all go, Oh God, we're all here together now and then suddenly you're able to go bam down no, no tr It's true. maybe actually give me g response to that because I was thinking about how You know, it's like it's it is that thing of like you know, Just learning how to harness that energy and what to do with it. and it's something I' like learen it is the new thing in my life, you know I mean learning about haveave you consciously tried to learn Yeahah how to become a frontman? Big time. Yeah, that's why I'm kind of, you know, once oncem I'm qu I' quite obsessed. So once I like once I'm into something, that's it. I need to figure out what it is how it works especially Stagecraft. Yeah. Stagecraft is like, you know, it's it's it's so big. you know, and how you can change the energy of a room. You, met plane in America And it's so different. You know, obviously, you are And there are moments where literally you stood there going, o, we've lost them they've completely gone Yeah. So I need to do something here that's not just play the next song. So You know, I just got in a crowd and started, you know, went to the bar. I said, right wants to on a beard on a beid. you know what I mean? all of a sudden, everyone goes, Wha, this is something's happening here. super simple trick But I was like, and then they went back on stage, then in kitchen to the next song and it was chaos. I was like Wow, that gig was lost until that moment. So then you start to go Where are the moments inside this show that we can just make it? you just talked about there that feeling where everyone goes, Ohh, yeah, this is happening. this isn not AI, this is not Yeah we're not scrolling. Yeah. So anything can he's going to come in if I hope he doesn't come near me, you know, because a lot of people Play shit themselves when you go you think that, you know, I wouldn't do it in like Glasgow Be I wouldn't get back on stage, you There are certain series like, I don't know. you stay there, this is going great you know, in sort of, you know, Vancouver, I'm just going, right, let's just go and see what we can do tonight. But it must also be so exciting for you as well to be kind of to have I guess it in a weird way, it's like a sort of a rebirth, isn't it? Because you've kind of, if you you've been doing this for so long and then suddenly you have a new skill to learn. It's exciting. It must be and it's completely insanity. Have you haveave you kind of studied any kind of front men women? have you? Yeah Who are the ones you've been looking at? Well, You know, obviously you're like, you know, you go to your G so you go to your Jim Morrisons and your Bowies and you know You Fredd is? Freddy. like it's I mean, he's the one like I think ye for me where you just like that the footage of him at live Eed is just just this different league, you know, and you know, they are sort of, you know, that that's like the Ael the stist. And then you know, like then I think of sort of Bjork and like PJ Harvey and you know, that that sort of the the the art and the the just the the sexiness of it, you know what mean? And and they just You know, and then, you know, like the modern day with like Kendrick and Tyler you know, I've I sort of you know, just little tiny s things. peopleeople that wouldn't you wouldn't even notice that you know, and you know, it's kind of how I learned to write. so it's like it makes sense that's how you learn. How did you learn to write I mean, You know, just like that, just listening to as much music and And I just had this sense that I wanted to make to like make things, you know, songwriting producing like the first musical instrument was like a sampler and a computer. like I learned to write and produce at the same time. So and I think that gave us a sort of little edge because we didn't rely on sort of recording studios and what have you. It was like, you know still in a bedroom, you know, And I think that's kind of how everyone does it now. Everyone sort of has the ability and You know, you know to make their music at home. But back in the day, that was sort of quite of a rare thing. You were sort of if you were in a band, you sort of went to a studio and had a producer and an engineer Are you thankful that you started out in music when you did Be yeah I would presume now it's so much. It's a whole other bag, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how attractive it would be. I don't know how but I don't know how now fourour kids from Leicester. No, make it now I think it's the 'cause it's so much more like it's not just The better I like You know, is is is the, you know The making it and then play in it But the selling yourself, I struggle with and I find a lot of the artists that I love would have been awful at social media. like absolutely it would make you feel horrendous to see sort of Jimy Hendrix kind of click and subscribe, you know what I mean? And I couldn't imagine any, you know, like Dama Suzuki, you know, just sort of being like, hey Yeah, which That is a talent in itself and some people are absolutely brilliant at it. And some people are brilliant at writing songs and the art of it. And some people are brilliant at both and you know, they're massive, but you know, it's just a different thing that and I don't know how excited I would be about having to you know set sell as much as you have to now. It's really interesting, isn it because like in most creative industries now. even using the word industry is interesting. But you have to be able to make the car and then sell the car.. those are you veryery different. Yeah ye, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's a man and a woman that's used to being in a factory Yeah, He keep No no toone. And then they've got to like get out front and go The car No, no, that's so true and that's what I see and I'm like I don't know how how I'd find ways, you know, I'd probably want to I'd imagine, you know, I was talking to my boy fifteen it's like you would find a way to subvert the system as in you would it would be niche. you would make it would be a lot smaller, but I would find a way in somewhere else because I don't know how how u you know, and so we kind of have to do it now because we're just in the you know, it's the way it is But it's always with a heavy heart that you like, you know? Yeah, it's terrifying It's the amount of content, you know, the amount of things You know, and and you know what? I hate them You know, I People talk about music now and they say they say content like music. And you know what? It fucking kills me because it's so much more than that. L a great song. How dare you call it that? you know, like it can change You know, it's changed your lot hearing that one song. you wake up You feel terrible, the song comes on and you go, I feel different. You know what? I only feel different. I feel like today's the day that I'm going to do what I'm going to do.. Like that is so important to us all, you know, and it's just to flip it away as this like It's that thing that kills me. It's the idea that it can be the same as somebody taking out makeup that they bought are boots and rating ye.? Like you're not going to play that over your granddad's funeral. No It's just know. Is it changing your brain ways? I mean, you know, it's, you know, it literally you know, they've put Wires on people's I know it's fcinating. can see you can see physiologically change, you change What is your next brilliant thing Uh I'm gonna go in this order. I'll go in this order I put a sauna. Oh, lovely Yeah. And it saids said, you know It's dangerous one it? because it's quite You know, in my mind' quite a pervy thing, in it, asora. Depends how you guys. You know what I mean? th?, abolutely. This is a new thing for me, like back in the day, like dangerous subject saun I like. Isn't it interesting? Yeah. because if you're into saunas. Yeah as I am, you got a sauna? I haven't got one, but I like going in them. Yeah. And if you're ever in a foreign city and you type saauna, you're like, Noah, no, no, Not that saun Exactly. I'm just after a sauna. Exactly. But your phone's like, I gotcha. Yeah I don't want to get wanged off. I just want to get hot. But it is funny, isn't it? where The deffinitely doesn't There's def the words wellness and sauna never went together when we were kids. Ttally. Hand jobs did. Yeah But it it started like Back in the day, like like me and Base Fed dibs We'd like, you know, have all the band like, you know what mean? if it was the hotel, we'd be like, right, get in the there's a jacuzi, you know what I mean? Yeah. N the gym. Yeah This is back in the day. So and at that point we would just try and make it as hot as possible. Like you know the water, you just thow as much water. we'd sit and just see how hot we could get it and how long we could last it, you know. per idiot Gomilia But now I' like Gone in and got one, you know, I've got myself R in the house. lovely. And essentially it's not ballling, you know, it's a shed with a he in.. You just need a bit of space Yeah And they're not, you know, it's not loads of dough. like you probably it's probably like a fifth of a Centa Park's holiday, you know what I mean? It's not you know what I mean? you got you might have the dough in there. Yeah. I'm telling you, I feel twenty minutes a day ye. It's incredible. How I doight. I am. And do you have a do you have a cold plunge? Yeah. Do yeah, so you're doing it properly? Yeah, but I don't necessarily always do the cold plunge. I like to do that first thing But then, but yeah littleittle ice pack for for the boys That's important. Lovely. yeah ye because you don't want to get them too hot. No you're doing it a lot. No, and it can definitely particularly if you're trying to conceive. Yes. You can't get your nuts too hot. But even a matter of my vintage, you just you need, you know.s alwaysways good to just have plenty, I think. G Gonym. Yes. and then a hat justust for the barnet. you know and there's destroy. You got one of those proper sauna hats, the kind of little pointed. Well you know what I've got like mine's like Ive got like a car heart bean there, which I think Yeah I think's that's fine, right? Yeah. because I don't to go too far. It says it does the job. It says it was a sauna hat Johny. Why do we have to wear hats in the st? It's because your hair gets too hot? Is that what it is? Yeah You know, Rick Rubin? Oh God ye, yeah. So he he does podcasts in his sauna Yeah. So I and I feel like that would be an interesting one. What I like about it. I like about the fact that you you've like you say, you feel like you're sweating out impurities and it feels really good And then on top of it, it's like medicine that actually tastes nice. That's what I like about it. Yeah yeah. I find the cold plunge, not for me. But I love going back into a sauna after you after you've frozen. and that feeling when your body falls out is n. is good. it' phenomenal. And if I'm doing a bit of running whatever It adds twenty minutes to, you know it's your heart rate where you need to get it. and are you doing over it? Are you doing it for like a creative thing or are you doing it for like a I don't? I suppose I think once you start looking after yourself It's amazing you know, what what you just you just you just started to start Oh that, you know, I start you know, I just there was a timeire I just just shift You know, when I'm singing and coming at frontm I can't like untour I've got to be I've got to look after myself. which I never did ever. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't care. It wasn't like I was I didn't even notice. And then you start to go, o I feel Oh feele pretty good. How better can I you know what I mean? Yeah the problem is you know you've got that sort of mindset. Like if I'd stay up for a day, I'd go, I wonder know what it's like to stay up for two days, you know what I mean? Yeah That's where I'm at. Yeah yeah. So I'm like with a I feel good. wo know how you get feel better? It's like, Oh, what's the s to do? Oh that doesn you know what I mean? So there's just this constant sort of like I might see what that does. Oh I love all that. it's kind of that sort of just those interesting We all need our hand held by somebody and it's that lovely feeling if you have a mate or someone you admire or someone you trust that says, hey, I do this thing. You tryancy a goir or show you how to do this? Yeah, yeah. That's what we all need Dinitely like MDMA Honestly, MDMA, Iahasa, whatever it may be. But that's what I mean. With any kind of newfangled thing, whether it's a sauna or doing therapy I think it's particularly if you come from a sort of a working class background There is that sense of people like me don't do stuff like that. Definitely. So how How do you get to that slow? Yeah and you need someone to hold your hand? I agree. because you know, even you know, even the words you just think You know, I can hear the voice back home going,' he talking about saun of for? Yeah? Is he actually Do you need that voice? he know, I've got it all the time I live with that voice. But then I think, but then I thought, you know what? No, because like You know, you could, you know because then jo tell them exactly in this zone. Yeah. because it's like getting massive. If you say that, you know that's a good way in to Walm up mates As you know what it sls lies,'s li Really good drugs now. Yeahah, I'll do it. Rine. Yeah. Is it private? W T sauna or is it social U I wouldn't go social like I would you have to be a clothose pal. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't like there's been times where like me again with've Dibs base player and we were in Rumania, we did a festival and're in the saw knot and This of of one of the lads from Blue came in, you know, the boy band. Yeah. and then you sort of sat there. lovevely lad and we chatted. but you know, when you're like this ain this is not I don't want to this feels weird, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's it'sdd isn't it?ike We we should all rise Anley. very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.er veryy good. It's that a blue song It is a blue side. That's exceptionally, don't you? As if nobody sa about from a man in Cordoroy and a car was No blue lix is extraordinary. ye I didn't realize what that was until you was like that was good. I I that'sate if we talked about that Ver good Yeah, but you have such a of Anthony Costa. I don't like that ye that when yeah, it's too close quarters to be with people youre not you don't know. Yeah me This episode is brought to you by Starbucks. That is fire. Whoa, that's good. This might be the drink of the summer. Okay, I like this much too. I'm not worth it, okay? Try it for yourself. Starbucks Freshers concentrates are coming home. 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Fature subject to change. availability and results vary, notot intended for medical purposes. Wors independently of Gemini apps. Check responses for accuracy What is your next brilliant thing It's carbon plates. That's a carbon plate. This these things they putting in trainers now Yeah that make you run that help you they basically make you run fast. Is it like a bounce? Yes, I mean, it's unbelievable are those in the Nike ones? They're in the yeah, well the are ones these ones. Okay. they're all using the technology now. But the first time you run in those, they're like moon boots, aren't they? Best thing ever. But you feel that doingink? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah except. Becauseuse when I started running and Like in my head, I was never going to have the shoes, never going have a watch. The lightub was not for me. I was I was not, you know, the rocky montage where he' just You know what I mean? Yeah ye I wanted to cut off trackers no one could ever see me running Y Converse, you know what I mean? Yep Maybe an old light Motley Cwich shir. know what I'm saying? I'm not having anyone completely see me running or have any of the gear Yeah. No watch This is just not. but I enjoyed You know, the headphones on. and I enjoyed the Yeah, just for whatever it is I just like getting out Let get some tunes on and just run in, you mean Um And I sort of ran like that for a bit My wife's an unbelievable runner out. She's like she's She iss my inspiration. Shes and she's taking it on aboutbout four years ago and she's got so good. L she just ran a three hours and one minute marathon in Manchester. You know she's like next level. She ran for England for her age. Honestly, she's she's my She was my hero anyway, but now Jesus li So So she's getting into it. so stuff starts arriving, you know, these trainers and I'm a gearhead as well. I love my I love my fashion and clothes I'm starting to sort of think about Maybe I should kiss thought. messing about a bit and get a bit of the gear. Yeah And we ran My mate was born in Copenhagen marathon Oh I bet that's a nice one to do. I said well we'll go and watch her ' he's from New York.'s one of my best pals, he's amazing. and we're like, right, we'll go watch him run. Um, So we arrived on the Friday, they was running on the Sunday and I got this like big table of max champagne and magnums and lobsters is one of that, you know a few of his mates. H rolling. and I got So this is on Friday. This is on Friday. he's running on the Fiday Yeah, yeah. So I'm getting involved. Yeah. This is about three or four years ago. and I'm like And they're talking about running it. I'm looking at them I'm going if these have got it in ' them. Yeah ye. Do you know what I mean? I'm thinking So we look online it's like, yeah, you can join that you can still get a place. Wh to run it? I was like smashed, like yeah. S put me in. signign me in because our hotel was halfway aroundound. So I thought if we get halfway, we go to the hotel G out on then see the end. Yeah And then I was like, right, I need some gess. I' like and I need a watch. so I got a watch. Yep ye. Got the shoes And now I'm starting to feel this light. running in these things is unbelievable. Yeah. So I managed to managed to get aroundound and finish the marathon and then from that day I was like, okay, I'm kind of I'm in now. You're hooked and did you Yeah What was the time for that first marathon? You know what? sort of you know, about everyone's got a story but like about seven miles in this thing I found that was called an IT band. just went and it was like I'd been shot. Oh go And I thought, well, I just I'm finished. so I just, but then I thought I can't I need the medal. L I've come this far. So I did like the last six miles, seven miles like limp round they did four hundred five. Gad dumb me in because I thought I wanted a thoughtought sub Look look quite nice So but then I did another one then I did another I didn't really I didn't train and then I did another one in Florence, I didn't really train. but From here on in, I might I think I'm going to go again and I'm going to actually do a bit of training there the idea of doing If you're lucky enough to be able to do marathons in different parts of the world must be really great phoenix. It's M. particularly if you', like you say, if your partner is into them. Yeah. what a kind of fun thing you go right? We go to Florence. Totally. We go there on the Friday carb up. Do do it on the Sunday and then have a little holiday for three or four daysactly It's phenomenal. Becauseuse you can do the halves as well If you want to do it a bit easier,. But you also, it's what's interesting about rununning. is that it feels if you're not into it, it feels so tedious and boring. And then it's that lovely thing and you suddenly get into it and you it's I think there's a thing called rununnerers High that you get this really lovely sort of serotonin oxytocin boost where you just feel fantastic. is. And for what will you do It's really lovely because It's almost like your body has got out of the way of itself. So your brain is able to go here becausecause you've got rid of all that know whether it's nervous energy or whatever or pent up Doth That's all gone, it's satiated and you're just left with your brain. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I found like I'd be on the side of the road just doing lyrics and recording voice notes of melodies and Oh It's so funny. I've done that. Do you write aount I've done that a lot where I'll be going for a jog and then something comes to you and you just go, o God, I just have to Yeah yeah just it and write it down just so you've got it later. It's beautiful because you can hear sort of birds singing in the background. You know you know we've been out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, but it's so big you have to get it down because if you don't Oh'll go. Yeah ye, it'll just late is gone But it's yeah, imagine that. That'd be so funny just to see in the London marathon next year that just we see you on the side of their ownad and you're like, Dinny She's just trying to write a little song. J's like they're trying to interview you and you're like, just stay away from it. a minute How Do it work with you? Like when you write a song A you Do you see first or do you feel first or hear first? Do you hear the music Or do you hear the lyrics? How does it work And It can be anything really I am I just just find a way in, you know. So Uh So for this new album, for instance, like it's how I've written them all where Some will be like maybe a loop or like a yeah, that I'll just repeat over and over And then I'll just have a mic and then just start singing. Maybe for five ten minutes and then listen back and go, oh that bit was quite interesting. And then they might even say a line and go, okay, theres there's a song. So I like to do that like just let the subconscious just do what it does. Yeah And I find that That's kind of why bu Again, like what I like just it just feels like it's just happening, you know what I mean? Yeah. And then there's times where it's just literally good old fashioned guitar. or piano which is just traditional just playing around with chords. It's so amazing though because like The single we just put out G Potendo' Like it's D B minor G And I've been playing those chords for That' the first ch you learn And you play them and they don't say anything to you. And then one day you play them and then a song you get a song and it's mind blowing. and I don't understand where it comes from. I mean it's amazing. and I know obviously now I've been writing for You know, twenty five years whatever. So I know the tricks, I know how to sort of get You know, and I had to sort of get into it, you know I can put myself I give myself a shot of writing the song, but I still can't explain where you one day the decord gives you something that you've never And he's mad. and not only that It's like the words come as well, which you have no idea. And then you sort of can make sense of what you're trying to say after. But I find that I find that's why I love it so much is why I think, you know, I'm obsessed with it. and it's why And obviously the whole AI question is you know, that Why would you let anything take that away from you? You know, I understand. It can do it and it's going to be quick and Yes the reason why I get up in the morning is to get that feeling, you know. It's like it's like the marathon. It's like you can You know, that you can run a marathon or whatever. it'd be like running it and not running it getting the photo in the medle and everyone thinks you've ran it. Yeah. But you've not and you've not done the you training, right? you're right But I was thinking then basically Another analogy would be that you just get all the treasure and you don't get the feeling of getting the metal detector out and going to the beach Yeah and slowly going over each t until you get the beep, beep beep and then you get the spade out and then you dig it up and you've got the little bit of treasure in it. Yeah yeah you know, and then you're able to turn it into a necklace or whatever. But that's to any kind of creative it's the u you know, to get, it's that cliche. It is the journey. It's it's so exciting where but I love interviewing musicians because I'm so sort of curious about how it all happens because I've said this before, but comedy feels very visual that you'll see something and it's almost like a cartoon in your mind Yeah. And then it feels like it's our job to find the words that makes people see cartoon in your head. Yeah ye so that they can see what you've seen instantly. Yeah ye. whereereas and that's why I really It's really interesting hearing you talk about freeforming and then listening back to the freeform again. Okay, right. now how do we put this Yeah together? Be I like I really like the the way it for met a mus will make me feel. so And I tend to S from Say I've got a really nice loop I I'll stand. have the mic. And it'll make me move in a certain way And all that is part of what what's coming out of my mouth. So you know, a way in which you can, you know, tighten your throat so you bit more spiky or a way in which you, you know, like you become a character of sorts. And I find that amazing. And I find like I have to sort of get into it, like almost get into a role when the music's coming out. Yeah, that's interesting. And then it's like, oh that bit there when you sort of did that And then it's like, right, okay, there's something in that, takeake that Th a few goes at that it's just a, you know, it's just a way of've kind of always done it. and And it's amazing how the first sort of sparks Like you can't sort of beat H I've got better at that. I used to be in the studio long hours. And now I just go right four, five solid No distractions, no phone, no nothing And honestly, my Pot is just I've just gone through the roof because it's just I get My job do the four. with the kids that, you know, rather than do I usually like third It start at like ten at night through the night, you know, and then it then kill myself. If I'd not written anything I'd be like the worst human in the world are mean? Like I couldn't live with it But now I'm like, nah, n no, it's all good. Just if it happens in four, great. If it don't, tomorrow is another day. Well, that's it and then it will it will but it's about the It's the tonnage, isn't it? It's about As long as you're there every day. Yeah it will it'll eventually break. Is mad that? It is that. And when I've been on tourn, I've not written it, you thank God I don't know. Will I never ever write again? Yeah, it's weird What is your next brilliant thing? Ne thing. A football nets. Yes, amen Isn't there's nothing more sad than seeing a goal post with no net on and kids kicking like just we drive by a park. What's known as our childhood And Yeah you reached a bike like if there was a like If someone said there's a goal, we found a goal with a net net and's fifteen miles away. Yeah. So we go ride bikes, we're going man we just sleep over like stand by me. It's like bring your sleeping bag. If there's a goal with a net, I'm traveling ten hours. And it's that it's the noise There's nothing better and nothing more sad than a goal without a net And the obsession goes to like Is there a better noise than the noise of twentywenty yards short. You've hit it on a half folly and it hits the bar and then bounces off the floor and then goes into there no There's not, there's not. And, you know, like The obsession was like, you know, have you how do you go like are you deep on the net knowledge? likeike where where you where do you stand with like well here's some list Mexico sevenenty, you know Yeah. you know who what I'm talking about. course Yeah. deep Yeah deepest net of all time. They're the best. the ones that go as far almost the grass is a bit long at the back. Yeah, exactly. phhenomenal and you can just it makes the goals even more beautiful. Those goals and The Italian Nighty goals good which had a lot of net gathering at the bott. Yes Yes. I remember Peter Schu having to get the ball out of the lift the net. Yeah a mad thing because nets have got quite standard now. They've obviously even in the lower leagues, pretty much the box net Yeah. But the box net when we were growing up was like the mythical. It didn't exist. The stanion, which I think we should bring back. The stanion. yeah, yeah And even like the Liverpool because they were deep, they're the stanion and had a red net. Yes. Oh so the first thing I did when we moved into our new house ten years ago was If not the second bestest things football net is a net behind. Yes, yes, yes, yes, ye. you know what I'm saying. Of course we wasasn't allowed. Now but I know exactly what you mean. Be there's nothing worse. exactly It goes wide Yeah to go and get the ball. Fucking right. So I was like the first thing I'm buying off this house. Yeah, yeah. And she's like, what we're not having big it's x Yeah, yeah She's like It's going look like a leedgure setent. and I was like, Yeahah, but you don't understand. a leure. I understand. And I you know I've talked about like, you know dogouts and I've talked about advertising boards, but, you know and floodls, but we're getting there. it's a slow process. So have you got we're talking like a pitch in the garden? Yeah Oh go yeah. Yeah, that was like A house it needed a room for sort of a secondary building for a studio or a place to build one and a flat lawn for football was and the rest of it was like not I was whatever the house looks like. My mate Craig when we were kids had this just the most beautiful garden where had two f as side nets and it was like God it was it was the most perfect garden and it was the dimensions of it were phenomenal. So whenever he'd have like a football, we'd just have like football parties around his all the time, justre recreating the go last my pal recreated every ninety ninety four So I had a goal in the garden like a wooden gold, but it had a net and we create every time there's a gold night night four World Cup we recreate it, but we had to do it perfectly like it had to be exact. And you know when you know when there's when you ruin the garden, you know when there's just d Yeah yeah. You know, like that sort of bown? would I'm trying to think of the top goals of ninety four. So what some classics? It was like Hadji Badger. Of course. yeah, yeah, yeah. That badger was phenomenal and then obviously misses thead. We're now scored for USA like a free kick. We take his hours Well I've gone with the old, I've got, you know, we've got astro as well. So do you play with your kids or you play with your house? Oh great. I don't play so much now, but my boys my boys are there, my bys. My youngest plays so he's there He's there in the garden. That's phenomenal. And then we have I' have an FA when the FA cu's on I have the boys over and we have a little game. Great Yeah, my son is just coming up two and he goes to a thing called Little Kickers. Yeah, my boys went there. Yeah, the best. Amazing. Myur youngest was brilliant. My oldest was so like he was like he's just not into football. Yeah And he was the kid, you know, the one that just runs off? you just you know you spend an hour chasing them around the legure center. Yeah ye. J's like, just kick it, man. He's like, No I'm bothered. I'm just I'm an airopplane. we. So when you were, you know, How so how old was your son when he was going to a little kid? Yeah, like I mean, I was how one of they was New York? fifteen years ago? Is this? Yeah Yeah. threeree, four. So ye, ten years ago. What my point of being This would be this. So you you're in the peak of your rock and roll. No You're living your fantasy. I'm living in the dream but also little kickers. But you'll then go into little kickers. Yeah, yeah. Fully the fur coat. off course.. So but what I What I know of you, I bet you you enjoyed that as much as doing engage. abbsolutely loved it. Yeah. yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely loved it. bench, you know, the old school gym bench Yeah ye because I've got long legs my knees are like around here Yeah L like a sort of, you know, one of their beatles pay ins, do you know what I mean? Yeah yellow submarine in the corner. So it feels like you reallyat like Will you be in that house forever, do you think? Yeah, yeah.' got I've got a studio the surgery I've got The surgery very good Yeah. And have you scored a better goal than the twenty twelve soccerade goal? No no She hasn't No, no, no, that was I mean, it's amazing that goal because it's You know you do something on the internet and you just it's everywhere. likeike it's still now. if I'm out r football lads like this.'s the gu years later. It's right forty years. It's because the reason why it's so incredible is because Pass Simman Yes, who is of course an international goalkeeper. Yeah and it's just clipped, it's effortless. It's just the think think It's like Ronnie Wheelland's goal in the cupfal think like it's so like, you know, it's if you're into footy Yeah, it's just one of them goals where as soon as you hit it, you're like And now he's just bent it past se wild It was a good moment. Yeah. I know exactly what you mean. It's the aesthetic of nets and also football boots. it's it's football that could have that could have easily I had a pair of my boots when I scored that goal were why I can never say it's pantiffilio, they're like Italian. It's called like the Italian slipper. Yeah. It's the softest leather. They're like ballet shoes. Yeah And I walked out. The first person I seen was Roy Keen.y went You best be fucking good in them. You you know what I mean? It's's that attitude of like We weren't allowed colorered boots, you know what I mean? Like you were not's like you had to be like the most unbelievable player. but now if they're not pink or turquoise or mad, you know, then youre just no one wears black boots anymore What is your next brainiant thing searchge Poscopens, Poscopinens. what's the Poscopin? Poscopen, I mean It's a like a paint pen and I love color like I'm obsessed with color. like even in here like I'm just, you know, so these pens are literally just You get like them in a suitcase And there's just every scholar and every nib size. And just I love them. I love the smell. So are they like painting? Yeah like painting paints. So if you were gonna to tag, you would use one of these So the graffit you see outside. Yeah. But I like to, you know, sort of I've got into my art like I think like maybe like in twenty nineteen I O maybe earlyer I just started to just make all because And I was just doing it on my iPad because I can't really paint I can't really draw I can't do anything like that. but I'm good at ideas. So I got an iPad and I just started to make pictures and What kind of pictures when you m? Just so I mean, it's pretty weird stuff But what I loved about it was I would Like with a song it's kind of it can be quite a laborious and then there's kind of a lot riding on it, you know, if the new album You know, youve gott to make songs that are as good as the last, you know what I mean?? And so I was thinking that as well because presumably what I was curious about is when you' writing music, are you writing it with fifty thousand people in mind? Like are you performing the song in a sense, knowing that there is a destination to me that can be fifty thousand people Yeah Yeah I suppose yeah. I think predicting what you're going to say which is when you're painting or doing art, there isn't an audience in mind. Exactly, exactly. And I feel like I can work at a speed where I can have something finished in quickly. Right. So say You know, you're writing a song whatever and you get to the end of the day and it, you know maybe You don't get anything. So you just go in the house, you just feel a bit shit. you're like, f didn't happen today. Whereas I would be creating art and go, well I've done that. So that's kind of satisfied my whatever that is that I need to feel like, you know I had this urge to make stuff. always have since I was You know, since I can remember, I just like making stuff So that was like, oh, I can make stuff quickly and at the end of the day, take it into the house, look at it later, put it on the wall You know, no. And it sort of stemmed from there really. And then Yeah, so so and these pens were just I just thought about I loved it. I like J for anyone to just should anyone should just do just paint, just draw. anyyone should just make stuff because I think it' it's and't like we are sort of Oh you know, people say,, o that's not really what I do or not for me. but I just think people have unlock you can unlock this mad side of you that everyone has. And do you see it in your children? Do they have that similar? Yeah, big time That's exciting. Yeah, yeah And do you, it must be Do you try and point them or do you try and sort of step away from it? It' be very hard if you I think Jal it is, they've just got it's just everywhere. L there's paint and sculptures and play there's bits of stuff guitars, pianos, there's access toes cameras, there's just things around the house. They're not like Guys, we need to you know make a documentary today, you know what I mean? But it's just like If you did want to, There's a room there thiss you can do whatever you want, you know, but But for them the distractions it is difficult because There's just so much other the good stuff to do, you know, rather than just do that, you know what I mean? Yeah. I you know, it's like And and so it's, you know, it's not it's interesting what you were saying though. it's that thing of like you said earlier about You'd ride your bike for fifteen miles to get to the goal that had the good nets. Yeah. And there's something about that fifty mile bike ride that is part of Yeah the overall definitely process. we going we're not living in a world're going back what I mean, it's kind of what this kind of conversation's been about really, isn't that Yeah,'s that, isn't it? It' But it's it's so difficult when you live in a world where 's just down the road where everything is down the road or everything is the end is at the end of your finger it' it's quite difficult to to spend time learning something. It is. is what versus immediate gratitude from something that's there for you? It's mad because I remember going to dig for for loop drum loops. So there was there was a u A train state, you know, like an arch is, train station arch is in Licester And they had old records. and you'd go on a Saturday And he would probably you'd been there five, six, seven hours And you probably find what two? beats three if you know, if it's a good day And like you get home and you think, I found this like mad drum loop that's on this record. No one's ever going to know what it is. No one's going to find it. And then you put it in the computer and you go, right, we've got some a. It's amazing. And like now you type YouTube, you put like Braaks and it's just everything you' ever want clip top drop it in perfect. And it's just you know, whatever that means, but it's just like it's just funny that like it would what you'd have to go through to get somethingomet now, you know, it's just another world. But is it that the drum loops that you acquired somehow. has there it's somehow interconnected with the conversations you've had with people in that record shop, the cups of tea you've had in that record shop, the toast you might have had on the way there. thats it's this hidden sort of almost mystical collection of atoms that have gone towards you getting it's exactly the same. The noise that you've got is exactly the same as clicking on the computer and getting it, but you can't You can't quantify that and you can't put that into the computer. You can't type and give the feeling of a fifteen mile bike ride towards the net You can't know that feel it, definitely. And that's the tricky thing, isn't it? That's why it must be so odd But you'd have to be insane to be a young person and put yourself through that No hardship to get it. You wouldn't. That's the thing. You wouldn't, there's no way, there's absolutely no way and you'd laugh anyone that did it. What are you talking about? We just got it here. What One waste of time.. It's done. Yeah. notot only that, we don't even have to write it now.. There's programs where you can just you type in a prompt And it's done Do that that you Are you frightened of that? Be I think like if you want like You know, if you want a fast food burger, not going to name any chain. You know I'm saying? If you want that Go and fill your boots and loads of people love that If you want some weird little artisan Someone's made it, it's taken them ten years to develop the recipe. It's a bit more expensive Oh on that, I'll go that burger, please. I' gonna to go that joint, you know? And I think The artisan that that's where the I think that's where it lies now. It might get, you know, I think that's for me, that's where it is. I agree. Yeahah. I think one of the most extraordinary things that has happened in our lifetime is the idea that How dare you say that I have to pay to hear music? That's wild to me. the idea of like all music should be free. Are you fucking mental? Like think of it's so extraordinary, isn't it? The journey we've gone through that when you were a kid you'd spend seven, ninety nine on an album whatever And now it's like, oh, it should be for free. Yeah. Yeah, no, deffinitely. Isn't it? and it's amazing how quickly they just you in And then two weeks later I wass like, when's your next album is life? It's takaking me like a year to do that Yeah Um And it's the stories that we are You know, Because because, you know, it's instant and There's no story behind how you, you know How you can first listen. You remember we used to even just, you know, going into the shops in town getting a bus whatever, gone byy a CD, come home. You know what I mean? there's that you've done something to get it, whereereas if you just drops on your lap and you listen to it and you're like, well, where's the storage? you know what I mean? But the live thing for us I think that's where It's there's still magic and there's still Carly we can change people's lives. But this is the interesting juxtaposition is that the Um you know, a lot More people are on Spotify than they've ever been and they're all, you know, it's streams and it's downloads and or it's a thing you've heard on TikTok or whatever. and yet. and everything's like content and it's just a single and nobody listens to album, blah, blah, blah blah, blah versus people are going to gigs more than they've ever gone to gigs Yeah And they're listening to whole albums. Yeah. So there's something interesting going on, isn't there? Be you also look at or our attention span is smaller than it's ever been and yet people are watching huge box sets. Yeah, ye watching whole series. deffinitely. It's kind of that there's there's definitely this there's a really alongside The compart mentalization of music, there is a real desire to be with other human beings in a field. There's nothing singing the same song. It is so and we've got this show in Frinsbury Park. Um And it's going I already know I can feel it. It's going to be Like it's fifty thousand people just like having the time of their lives and we're going to bring it and that gig will change someone's in that crowd, that' be it. And when they need it, they'll draw on it.'s like And do you feel that? do you Do you go in with that level of respect for the gig? Yeah ye. I feel like It's quite simple.s it's got to be we just got to entertain. you know, I think I think that's it. You know, just give them entertainment. Yeah and give them, you know, burn things thought burn into their mind so it stays forever. I wonder as well. I wonder if there's Given that you're a huge football fan and a huge music fan Do you think you bring a football energy to music by which I mean You you go right Don't stop running for ninety minutes. L like I wonder with say them are you it doesn't feel Maybe a sport energy maybe, not maybe not specific to But but you're like, right, come on wink Yeah I don't know, yeah, I think I've love I look I I do look I do like I do love sport. I do love the stories You know what I mean I and I And I like the yeah I just just everything surrounding it and digging deep and you know what I mean? It's what I mean? And just like, you know what yeah. and I don't know, it's quite a physical, the gig's really quite physical Yeah. but I think that's a lot of like have you got like a fit? Do know I would be so interesting the boyys always like he should do it Yeah. I think obviously the love of hip hop growing up and how they deliver That's, you know, I see Travis Scotty. he's like that's where I want to be. Yeah You know what I mean? I like I've never I've not been a sort of you know, like u, you know, like a sort of even though like off stage very much so, but on stage like it's like Yeah, I'm seeing the you know, I'm seeing like big, you know what I mean? And I'm attacking it like that. Yes. ye, lovely. I absolutely love that. Thanks very much, the wonderful surge this morning Well, that was an absolute treat. What a treat? Yeah of a lot of football chat. Yeah. But what I loved about it is just I think what I'm I think he is he is a classic, he's never left his roots behind guy. And that's what I enjoy. having spending time with him, it's like he feels like a very working class kid who is into football and music and is from Leicester and is didn't have anyone in the industry who suddenly goes, Ohh, I'm going to do a load of stuff and is suddenly in the massive band has scored an incredible goal at soccer Rade, is very humble and very interesting and interested I just think he's got a nice vibe about him and his garden sounds fucking heavenly. Now, Dan, Kassabian's new album is out in July. It's their ninth studio album and it's called A three. You can preordder it at kasabian. co. Uk They're also an incredible live act. They really are. They've got a massive show we were chatting about it in the podcast. It's on july the fourth at Finsbury Park. Tickets for that are available from Kasabian. co. 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