Ted Haggard and final thoughts

Come R and F Sat H It that f What popp and Congregation? It's your girl Lacey Moseley, AKA scam goddess. backack with another episode of the comedy podcast all about robbery fraud and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them. Sometimes we hate them. We will see along the way, but guests, you already know, why I call y'all guests? at this where y'all are guests on the show as much as y'all comment and send messages and deviums and emails appppreciate that. Congregation. Y'all know I'm very what Yes, excited thrilled elated for our first time guest today. You may have seen him on Honorable Gays where he alongside Rob Anderson and Eric Cenel judge Messy Reddit drama. And you certainly have heard and seen him on queer Eye. Next in fashion, Dli boys headads will roll prrincess power and so much more congregation. Please welcome first timer and certainly hopefully not the last. Tan Prs to the show. Hi Tan Hi love how are youa You're doing great. That was a gorgeous intro. Thank you. We lik to give the girls our flowers, okay, and I've been watching you on TV forever. so it's so lovely to chat with you in person. I've got a feeling I joined TV when you were three because that skin's making you look like you're a child. And I know you are, you're very young. I've only been on TV for ten years and know I'm not T TV for ten years is like, I mean, when you started when you were a zygo, you know what I mean? They took you out of the womb and they said this face, television. Okay? So Tan is a baby. It's not true. If the audienceces are seeing you don't know what I look like, just Google it and you'll see that. It's not true. I had a face for Radi Yo No, No, absolutely not. but we love the humility. We love a little fake humble moment. Okay. You know, you're giving the girls hope that maybe one day they'll have skin like tan. okay? They'll have that full luscious head of hair. I will say this, I know my skin's tight I'm forty three and it looks pretty darn good and it's now got weirdly blonde hair, but it's a very full head of hair. So I know I've got that going for me. Yes, and Tan, this is also not a concerning blonde. Sometimes like when my homeboys will go blonde I'd be like, is something going on in your life Like it's just like a very wide not thing in certain g communities. If you see somebody ding ha here bleach blood, you'd be like, what happened to you? Yeah. My is a grrey blond. M is like, wasas he naturally blond the answerers no? Southations are not actually blond You you are now, okay? Boxwar, Bxwar Yeah. It's like women with bangs. like one of our home girls cuts their bangs were like what what did he do? What did she do? What's going on? I need you to know that straight girls will always ask their gay friends and I will tell you gays have told you enough, don't do it. They look great for a little while, but you're going to cry to us when it's not looking good when they're grown out. It's every like it's textbooks. Th We're going to do it Anway in soerball. That's the one issue I think the gays have with their female friends. We love our I love my girls. I'm a girls g. one hundred percent You've got two different kinds of gays. You got a gays g and a girls gay, I have a girl's gay. But I will say the one gri I have with my girls is stop asking me about those damn bangs ' you've learnt your lesson or you should have learnt your lesson. Our friend group is big and every one of you I've told, donon't get bangs because you're gonna keep crying to me in six months time. You just are. I always say girl they got clip in bangs now. You don't have to learn like we did back in the day. Okaykay? I am on realal housewides in New York with bangs that I cut myself looking like what I've been through Okay. wereere you one of those one of those I don't know, interternet like vine girls who cut their bangs and let us all see you cut your bangs and you made the fucy mistake of Do it too short? Okay, no, see, I learned from them. I learned from them. I was on the other end of the camera and I was like, okay, so I gotta twist the hair and I gotta bring it past my brows and cut it here 'causeuse when you curl it, it's gonna be like, but bam. Otherwise you're gonna get that one time Beyonce had that one bang that was like above her eyebrows. You know what? she couldn't do it 'cause it was fash. on the streets I don't know when people are gonna learn. Like have we not seen enough of those videos to know why are you pulling your hair down to cot bangs? Also, why are you quitting your own bangs? Because I have a bang feeling. I can't have a bang feeling, Tan, okay? L Life is hard and sometimes a girl needs blinders. Okaykay? She needs something right in front of her eyes. That's fine. That's fine see I looking at this bullshit. I need. You're saying right in front your eyes. That's fine. If they're in front your eyes, you're doing great. But if they are closer to your natural neline than they should be, that is a problem. That is a deal brereakup You've now turned that into teenage hairs. They're not baby hairs quite. They're not adult hairs. They're teenage hairs that you have on your forehead Yeah, it's rough. Oh, it's rough. But you know, it's a rite of passage. It's a right of passage. And speaking of rightites and passages, this is the worst segue I've ever done. But on the show Tan, we love to get our guests opinions in the segment that I call is it a scam, a scam, or a real thing So I'm going to ask you about three different subjects and you let me know if you feel like it's a scam, which would be something that should absolutely be illegal or is. Is it a scam where it feels shammy sometimes yeah, shady. It' sometimes it a work out, but it's shady. You know, it's like a alleyway. Maybe down you go down the alleyway and you do get that fax furin bag in Chinatown Or maybe youll go down there and you get hit in head with a lead pipe. You don't know. Yp And then a real thing is something that we think legitimately belongs in society Great Okay. we should see more of. Yes. Okay. My first one for you, just to keep on the skin because we were talking about this beautiful skin that you have, Tan Multi step skincare routines. arere they a scam scheme or a real thing? So by that I mean like when you wash your face at night, you got the toneer, the rein all, the serum, the vitamin C, the water moisturizer, you're using gash, you got the do I seem too familiar with this , I've got a feeling that you're about to come for me so hard because I am that person that does all of that. And I don't think it's a scam. I think it's the last one real one, everyone should be doing it. Wh why you not doing it? if you're not doing at least a five step routine Morning and night. And they' five. At least five at least five What are your five, Tan? What are your five? Okay, I'm talking about like fuck me five is basic Wash your face But wash your face. Okay I like washing cows. I think we everybody should wash. I know some dirty bitches that don't. So that has to be off Sory it has to be on. So wash your face with some kind of cleanser And then the basics. Holder Serum. mooisturizer Extra moisturized, you've got some kind of peptid would be so nice. I mean, at least a retinol and then youre moisturized. So that's basic five. But then you've got those nights like twice a week where you want to do a face mask, you want to do an LED red mask. Oh my gosh, what else do I want to do? Sometimes I want to do a lip plumper whilst I sleep and see that lip plumping mask on There's so much shit that you can do. fiveive basic. If you want to do the five basic and you've got problem skin like That's your problem, not mine. Oh, that's a word. Okay kind of skew into it can be a scheme. Unfortunately, I could rat off all those products, Tam, because obviously I have them. H Here's where it comes a little schemy to me. I have the red light mask and I have the collar that goes on your neck and your upper that shit. Just cities. J cities. Yeah to keep them, you know looking as fresh as possible. creepy. Yeah. And I have the one that like the esthetician recommends it. But my issue is is that every time I go and get a facial I leave with several products. And at one point I think I had like a twelve skin care too much. Yeah it was too much and my skin started to react and was like, girl, girl And here's here's why I think it might be a scheme tan though. likeike Tan, I love that you use these products. I use these products too. But genetics has so much to do with what your skin looks like. And I feel like people with your type of skin are always the ones in the commercials splashing water on their face out the sink in the whole bathroom wet. And then we all start thinking we're gonna have skin like Tan if we buy the whole line. And I that's a little skemy. Okay, you no, no, you abolutely o, that's not even just a bit skemy. That's a bit scabvy. Okay. if we're really gonna work on the definition Here's my issue is if you're going for a facial I think the scam is getting you to buy those products that you use at the fac because that facial shit that they do. when you go to somewhere nice for a facial, they're not just using basic fucking products, tool L they've got like proper tools tellell me that I'll be able to keep this up with these, as you said, twelve products at home. Get the fuck out of here, which I know no I know I can't. And so that's the scam. I never buy the product from the facial place. I will get the facial done and then I will still use my products. My facial is just for like Bruce before a big event it maybe once every three or four months. It's not a regular thing and definitely don't fall for the scam of buy this shit 'cause you're gonna be able to do it at home. No, there's no way you're getting this look at home. Oh my gosh, I fully fell for that scamp. I have a facial steamer. L you name it. I got it for the facepace. Oh, you're crazy. Sorry, we should have established that earlier. All right, Sam, we didn't tell you that in a pre interview though. like nobody see of that. Oh shit, yeah, I can't help crazy. like A therapist . Steamer what the fuck using a steamer for Get out of it. get out of it. No. you were scummed I bet that was expensive too, wasn't it? Oh you know it was along with my LED red light and everything else. Also I think that LED red light might also be a scam. You have to get the right one. There's some that don't have enough frequency to actually give you the collagen booste. Oh, you dropped the cool aid. Well done I will say that there are a lot of like Derms like dermatologists on Inster who will do the review of all the shit that we use whether it's good or not. They all do say the red light mask is good, but you're right, if you get the right one, I might not have the right one. I just waited tntil someone gifted it. so it might not be the best one good I think it's one of those things that we think is working because it's modern technology, but it really isn't. It does sometimes feel a little bit like a placebo. But what I will say is that it involuntarily gives me some relaxation time because when I have that mask on, I look like Jason Borhis and I have to just like at least sit still for twenty minutes. ye Maybe I'm just regulating my nervous system and pretending that my skin is getting better from Reulating your nervous system might be helping your skin. Oh it actually does. Stress acne is real. M that's the whole scam of it all. That's it. So really you don't need that you put some earphones in in some kind of relaxation mode and you're absolutely fine. Yeah. Don't spend the money on the red light mask I don't think it makes that much of a difference. I don't either, but I will say like there's certain things in your skincare routine that can help with your skin. but also it is genetics and it's also diet guys. Diet is a huge one for me. Gut health. I know you didn't ask that question, but I'm gonna tell you anyway, I didn't warn you I talk a lot I don't drink soda I eat really healthy I trya to eat as you chug your soda, well done. Jam I I do drink. And I always have drunk a shocking amount of water since I was a teenager, I had really bad skin as a teen. And so my mom was like Drink a lot of water, stop with the soda, stop with the fried food and you'll be great. And it's amazing what it does. So before you invest in that red light mask that's going to cost you hundreds and hundreds, maybe just The diet cooke away. Put the diet cooke away, lay off the alcohol and get those good gut health foods. It's good for your mental health as well. So pickles, pickles, pickles. I know this is gonna to sound so ludicrous, but a lot of pickles are Re good for. Fermented foods, kid. Get you some arerogaa, getet you some of leafy greens, booky. It's the reason why those Japanese kids are looking so damn good. L they eat so much fermented chip Oh my go, Tan, should we make like the Korean skin diet? Have they made it yet No, they haven't. Korean chickar is bomb. H you have you been soved? Not yet, but it's on my It's my list. I I want to fried chicken there too, because Black American soldiers introduced I do know that Korean people to frying chicken during the war. And then Korean people took that shit and ran with a Korean fried chicken. They made it evenper. Yeah, this great we are. I know. I would love to join you in that, but I don't eat meat, but I love that for you I would love that for you. I you of it. Thank you so much. I do like to watch people eat so I will happily watch you eat that food. And also why I do like a mug pinktail. I do love a bl. So your final vote for multiep skincare routine. Sam for game real thing.ame Okay Okay, now I'll put in lighter cl Yeah, real thing scheme. is's real thing slash scheme. I agree with you there.. Okay, what about this one? Scam scheme or real thing tenan Fast fashion slash dupes. So what I mean by that is like when something comes out you know on a runway or we see it at a med or we see it on an actress or it's in a popular television show, and then a brand like a Sheen or Timu remakes it or even a Steve Madden ' Steve Maddin loveser You know? So do we think that's a scam, a scheme, or a real thing I'm gonna to say scam. but my perspective is different from yours. Okay, let me hear. mear. Okay, we. I'm gonna plead my case and you can tell me whether you think it's a scam scheme or real. I was a designer. I guess once a designer, always a designer. So was a designer and I used to make Women's wear And that's how I started my career I had brands that made women's wear and I would design something called private label wear A wasiful collection. Nordstrom, Target, Friber twenty one would come and look at that collection and say, okay, can you make this Rast doore in this color and this print, which I would have available. short and then I'm going to put your label in But then what I found was a bunch of companies would then knock off my product I was the designer. they would knock up my product They would then sell it for less and sell a heck of a lot more Oh As far as I'm concerned that's a sccaam because you're fucking with my money Like you fully fucked my money. L peopleople aren't just buying my shit now because mine's slightly more expensive than your shitty quality version And so I see it as a scam, but I think I only see it as a scam because I was at the top of that pyramid. If I were the Sheen or the team or even the customer, I'd be like, now I'm getting a bargain I can getting a deal. So that's the real one. Okay, I you're going give me your opinion. So agree with you about stealing from artists when it comes to their like their intellectual property And unfortunately, it's the Wild Wild West when it comes to like clothing in general because like everything that's been made has been made before. So making something that's kind of similar to somebody else's work that's more affordable and probably extremely lower quality is not obviously not a new thing and not technically illegal. Yeah But when it comes to like hardworking artists, like I remember the big scandal about like Kim Kardashianans like or not Kim, but Chloe Kardashian's clothing line had a lot of dupes of smaller designers. they had like physical receipts and evidence of the company. I don't know if Kloe knew about this, but the company, Good American like ordering things from smaller designers and then, you know picking them apart making them for their brain. S to show. So don I don't agree with the intellectual property theft and that to me is definitely a scam. I've leaned towards scam scheme because There have been so many times that I was in college or high school wearing a Steve Matt and dupe of a Monolo. I had No idea. I was like, o, cute shoe, but I had no idea Steve was like, hold my beer LVM.. I agree with that. I don't think you, the customer is ever the problem. They're not the scamp They're not the scam at all. that' open the scham They're the real one, they want the thing For less money. I absolutely agree that the customer is the real one. But the company that's knocking knocking off the designer is the scam. It's a duo. And I don't know if you ask for a duo, but it's a fucking duo. Two things can be true Two things can be true. I think Ted you've unlocked our first duo and I think that you are absolutely right. Eespecially because I look at like a Steve Madden going for like a high end corporation and giving something accessible to the, you know, the girls on the cult deac who also want to be fashion girlies. Yeah. You know, the girls, you know, in the apartment complexes I'm in an apartment. You know what I mean? We ain't got the answ, so maybe we're not buying the thirty thousand dollars b But you know, if Steve M got the same looking boot, I could still give thirty thousand without spending that, right? Yeah. So scamming up like that, that doesn't bother me because the rich company is still getting they're getting their consumer Wh are not going to step foot and seeep Madden. You know what I mean? Its and vice versa. But I think what you're talking about Tan being a small creator and then them taking from you. Yeah. Now that's where it gets very scammy for me. And that's the most common. just so you know, that is the most common where theyre taking from the small creator because like no one knows this bitch.ike who cares? No that's not a pitch's le like Yeah, that was a bititch' le. Also when I'm also going to position this, sorry, this is not meant to be a PSA But I will say we love it does so. You don't need the dupe of that fancy thing. I've always said I want to say it again. If you can't dress well cheaply, you can't dress well Oh period, you don't need that knock offff of that Louvitton thing create something I used to fucking create my own shit all the time. When I was in high school, I was broke. I came from a poor family, really poor family. I didn't have money until I was in my mid to late twenties and I'm talking about even a bit of money into my mid to late twenties. As I was broaking the joke, I created shit like Be unique, like you don't need to have that same thing that everyone else has got if you can't afford it I think that sometimes not having the funs makes you so much more creative and stylish I walk around on the streets of New York looking at these kids, I know they can't afford shit. I can can tell their students, but they look more creative and stylish than any fancy bitch I see on the Upper side. Yeah. Expensive doesn't equal chic. I definitely had to learn that. Also, you're right, that sometimes the less resources you have, the more creative you are Yeah And you can sometimes see the difference between like Someone who grew up in is in our industry and didn't have as much and someone who grew up in the industry who came from everything.ike ourur brains just work a little differently because we're a little bit more resourceful because we had to be. Agreed, agreree, agreed. Yeah. So I'm definitely on the same page with you on that. Although I will say this what pisses me off and I think y'all getting scammed out there as young people Or younger than me people because we're young people. It's tired of seeing y'all look like y'all fell in a bin at goodwill. and then I find out that every piece on you is a high label fashion thing. Like I know it's kitchy sometimes to get something that's like ripped up or whatever from a designer. like it's like they're like wink at that, but I'm like, girl, if you don't take yourself down to a thrift store and get that outfit and it'll be probably better made because this was't whippped together in these Ragy ass factories the' getting them out Every time I see Balanciago, Ivet M. That's what I was thinking about I' like I could have found that in the trash behind in obbbies Now they're going drag me because they know I stay in a speeed saker . they have one or two things that are nice, but yeah, the majority of it, I'm like, you just saw a homeless person on the street and knocked off that person's lookg. That's got they whole look. That whole fucking look That's wild as hell. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. I will say this though, shout out to the products. I know we were just talking about skincare. If you girl always want to get into a step routine and you don't wantan to spend a ton of money, local drug stores, I read somewhere that like elf is really good about waiting until a patent has to release their ingredients. And as soon as they do, Ef will make a dupe of that. same ingredients way less expensive. And so you can be doing your L Mire routine with less expensive products and you know get you a little five step. And this is for men too. I don't care if you date men, women, youre pan or whatever I don't know who put the scam propaganda out there for straight men that being hygienic was unattractive to women But if I see a man who smells good and his skin is glowing and his nails are manicured, I'm immediately like, ooh Oh Gross can I be? Are you disgusting on your podcast l? Yes everyone you so much. You know you just unlock something that I've been down and talkking about but I've never ever said publicly because it love it It's disgust No, I'm sorry, everyone is listing. I'm so sorry, this shows you who I really am. U Just they edit me to make me seem chic on TV. There's nothing fucking chic about me. You are sic. No, nothing chic about me. I have thought this so many fucking times. I've said this to my girlfriends. You want a man who takes care of himself. Sorry I'm gonna get really disgusting You do not want that man putting his hands, fingers O you or it's theed part in you in you. those fingers are not fucking taken care of, you want to make sure that if you can't see that he's done at least the most basic skincare routine and that his hands are clean, washed after every toilet use, preferably manicured. not, I don't need a polish. I just need it to be clean. You don't need that shit in you You do not need that man's hand in you. And I know you're like, I want a real man. Do you also want a disease in your vagina? 'cause you're gonna get it with a real man? a real you get a realect Yeah he' to make you real real. Yeah, I absolutely agree. And I think straight men listen to other straight men too often about what women want. And I'm like mayabbe, and this is going tie into our whole episode. I'm like, baby, you' try to impress the wrong people and you might need to discover why you trying to impress them because the first thing I look at on a man and I'm pansexual, so men and women. I really don't have to worry about women But first thing I look at on a man is his hands. Yep. I want to know It's not the muscles that you juiced up. It's not all that protein that you've got to get your traps. I'm not looking at your dets. I'm looking at your hands.. I'm gonna tell you something that is gonna there's something that I'm about to say that's gonna to make me seem very, very harsh. I don't think I'm harsh, I just think I'm honest So very British, which means we're a little more forward. There was Aan, this was in the Delta louge, It's called the Skyclub It wasn't too long ago. There was a man who used the restroom and it wasn't one of those restrooms where there are like restrooms within the restroom where they've got their own sink. It was just stalls. just stalls This guy had very clearly toeduce out came up and walked right past me as I was stood in the mirror washing my hands and I saw him And he was like, Hey because he knew who I was was like, Hey, He walked out, went to some girl. D don't know who the woman was, but I'm assuming somebody that he was romantically involved with And as I walked out, I saw him with her and they were both staring as if, o, what's her fance when we say, hi And so I waled over and I said, I'm so sorry to say this book. He just use bathomage and wash his hands enjoy the rest of me Because I would want some bitch to do me that same solid thinking. You ain't pointting your hand on me bitch. You are not putting your fingers in me without fucking washing your hands first you dirty bastard. I'm a girls girl.es, you are a girls girl. No m him o? Like wash your hands also The double embarrassment of being a fan of your work, Tan and then be like, o Oh my Godd, Tan's approaching us. And then you think you about to get you with a selfie. You got take that photo where you point into the celebrity and the celebrity's like, ay baby you got hell hell fecal germs on your hand.. Okaykay. And don't just share no finger foods with Booky. okay? Booky got the Dookie hands . Typically I'm always smiley and I would never do it, but I just watched this poor girl and I just thought you two are you are intertwined like that boy's going to try and touch you soon Dirty busted. dirty busted. That's community. We shout out to community. I love that for both of us. And our last scam scheme a real thing before we get into the hoodwink here. is Free trials Go on So you know if you sign up for a subscription service, let's say, you know, it could be a streaming service. It could be like any apps on your phone. Yeah where they give you a free trial. You know, you want that face editing app 'cause you're trying to snatchch up that face of that body. You want the extra Pro plus airbrush camer or whatever. And they give you that free trial Do you think that's a scam scheme or a real thing? It's a toall fucking scam. How do we not have we not seen that? If they don't take your credit card details, that's just a real one Yeah giveive me that free things for per week. I would love that free things forree week. But if you're asking for any of my details, even just my email because you're gonna bombard my emails. Oh yeah with a bunch of offers and whatever If you want to ask him for anything in return, you're just like Enjoy this for a week bitch I'm like o You're real one But no on' ever doing that, they always want your credit card details. always And you know You fucking know, we're all way too busy to cancel a membership after a week. You were never gonna to remember that. No I know that people say, well, you could just put a reminder on your phone. But geta fuck outdy. I'm putting a reminder on my phone about a fucking trial membership being know, it's not going to happen. You know that I'm going to have to pay at least a month You cheky basted You know what you do it' a scps. S sc, a scs. Y. I recommend if you have an iPhone, I don't know what it is. on Android, I think it's just like the app store as well, but like go in there, look at subscriptions and see what you're subscribed to and look down the list. 'ause you'd be surprised something might still be charging you. There's also reputable ways to go through your bank to see how many subscriptions are coming out of your account monthly. I recently did that and started canceling hell shir U but they way a payPal I've had a PayPal membership for about fifteen years And I know it comes out my account, but I have no idea how to stop it. No idea. PayPal' is one of the hardest I have subscriptions that go PayPal, and PayPpal won't line up your subscriptions for you. You have to go through the payment things that are being d like extracted. your Apple apps won't even show you all the subscriptions that you have. You really have to do some forensic research to see this start nickel and diming you I also recommend having a fake spam email. I have an email from Yahoo. that's where all of my clothing account, all of the things go to for the advertisements because I might want the discount or I may want to send all my receipts there, but I don't want them in my real work or personal email. So everyone you need an email. I probably like a porn sign up email. You need an email that ain't rece serious. I think you're Thapey bitch like me I don't know. you're a typeey. Now that sounds very typee to me. A we crazy in the best way. I might have some typee tendencies flowing around, but I'm very typey, baby. S. I get to know your girl, okay? I lose everything. Really? Oh yes Wh literally this week I had a flat tire and so luckily I just got my car detailed and across the street there was a place that sold tires. So I go and I get a new tire and the guys like, okay, your car is ready to go So I get in my car and I drive away and I have a push to start. So you have to have the keys in the car to like start the car So I start the car, I drive away. I'm driving home, I'm on the freeway, whatever. I stop to the banks to deposits and stuff I'm trying to park my car at the bank and lock it, and I'm like, where are my keys? I just saw my car detailed right? So it's very clean. So I'm looking around the car.'m like, did I drop them? did they fall through the seat? I got my phone flashight. I'm like looking looking looking looking looking everywhere. I'm like, Where the hell did I put my keys? And my car doesn't run without the keys. So I turned it on off' turned it back on it's still running I'm like, where did the fuckking are these keys? Tell me why I finally get out of the car and I notice that the keys have slipped in between the window and the front trunk of my car So I drove on the freeway with my keys sitting outside of my car Thats insane. The mechanic who changed my tire put my keys on top of my car and I just drove away. That's insane. I can't believe it worked M Mind has to pz it me on the push button to work that That's insane that yours worked outside the car Wh? You where the window shield Wh It slit into that poark Yeah. That I just was on the freeway with my keys willy, nilly I don't know know the f did you find those? I would never have thought to lookck there. That is wild. Be of type B and I was like where was this No something in the refrigerator. No, no, no. That's type peoples shit because you knew where to lock, I never would have thought of that wild No I only know because of shenanigans. Once you find your remote control in your refrigerator once, you know what's going on in your life. You know. You know yourself, you gott to look at unexpected places., that's that, that's fair But yes, free trials guys, just use the app for what you need it for and then immediately cancel it right then and there. Now a few apps things will only let you do that a couple of times before they're like, oh, no girl, you locked in now. Yeah. But I do think because they know you're the scabo Yes. And they need to be the sccaven. They car't for you Scavenge. You're not robbing us. We robb you. Wh do you think this is? Yeah, it becomes a spider bear and be. Yeah, I completely agree with you. But I do think if you don't use an app very often and you just need it for a very specific thing, go ahead and get that free trial and then immediately once you're done onene hundred percent do it, but you're gonna have to find a way I just haven't because I'm too lazy of a person to find a way to remind yourself, otherwise you've fought for a long time, they're going to charge you a lot Yeah, But I'm saying Do it right then in the moment. Use the app and then immediately delete it. Unless you think you're going to use it then I don't I guess give them people that money. Yeah. Yes, well, those were amazing revelations, Tan. Thank you so much. I've learned so much about you ands. Now we're going to get into the main event of the episode. This is called Historic Hoodwings. This is why we were gail, Tan with a famous con Kaper group of criminals we don't know yet. Maybe we love them. Maybe we hate them. But for sure we will laugh at them, but never at the victims because There should be no shame around getting scammed. L is a scam. We're all getting God at point. Okaykay? And hopefully this will prevent us from getting scammed. So before we start, I do want to give a content warning up here. You know, we like to L would love life and crime over here and not get too dark, but the topical story that triggers this roundup does involve soliciting sex with a minor. We won't be getting into details there, but just so you know, we don't want to re trigger or ret traumatize anyone. You know, I'll know how this podcast goes But in the subsequent list of scammers, we try to curate out the more disturbing crimes. So if you're interested in those types of things, like you know the links are always in our footnotes, but we're gonna to keep it scam related here. Just want to let y'all know So here we go Historic Hoodwings todayoday Tan we're talking about Alan Chambers first, the former gay cure minister who was arrested for soliciting sex with an underage boy has joined a long historic list of anti gay activists who later came out or were outed as gay. We do not condone outing, even if like it's a really vicious scammera on this podcast that's still your choice. I will say As a kid. Yes Don't condone outing, but I'm not a purist when it comes to getting my liick back. So I don't even know whatick back means what does that mean? So like getting your lick back means like if someone were to like hit you, right? they hit h you with a lick, right? Like a lick can be a robbery like you catch a lick like, which means like you go rob people. So people might get their lick back like revenge, basically. ye. But it can be physical. it also can be like I'm robbing you or it can be like, oh you talk shit about me. I' I'm gonna put your shit on the street Oh ye. so it's just getting a revenge. I thought you said revenge. No, I'm I look back and I'm gonna start using it. Gone. Yeah, get your liick bag. Absolutely. But I'm saying that because I'm sorry. if you're anti abortion, if you're anti gay, which to me personally, I don't know why you know other people's business.. Mind your own. Mind your on. There's so much business for you don't mind. I am so bogged down by the minute of life every single day. I don't't know where y'all find time to hang. Okay? I gotta do my laundry. I don't got time to be a bigot. So but so when they are gay, which I don't like to label them all as closeted homosexuals because I think that's also negative to be like, oh, someone's homophobic, all of a sudden like they must be gay. Like they're not anonymous. Yeah. But Well you got too much interest in the business, I'm like h yourself. You protesting too hard. Yeah. yeep So inn in a southern Baptist church in the nineteen seventies and eighties where he felt ashamed for his secret attractions to men. Makes sense, Southern Baptists. they don't dance I don't let you drink. I don't think they like I'm from the south. I'm a missionary baptist. I don't think that they let you We got to wear skirts to chur. I don't think to wear makeup I'll calling your wedding if you real southern. Wha Yeah It's like foot loose over there. Sit, I thought all Christians that said the Mormons were allowed to drink. Wow. They got some strictness if you're a real Southern Baptist. So Allan claimed to overcome his gayness. He said he was delivered and became the president of Exodus International, one of the largest conservative Christian ministries They love to put it international after it because That's one thing like I don't think any religion is better than another and that includes choosing not to believe. I think it's a casino, put your money on whatever you want to put your money. Me personally, I got to look coin on every religion. You know, if it's Buddhism, I'm gonna get up there and I'm gonna be like, Buddha, what's good Yeah. You know, If it's reincarnation, I'm gonna be like, can I be a rich lady's dog? show I show everyone respect because you never know how it's gonna happen Allah, I'm dou Allah. Y. We here too. That's right. That's right. If I get if there's Judaism, I still believe in God. you is he around here.. If it's Christ, I was with Jesus as well. wh's son. whatever it is. I'm a scammer. I'm trying to get in. Whatever up there, I want to be in time.. So but I will say that Christians are we're the absolute worst when it comes to like spreading religion. Like nobody asked you to convert them. Like stay at home. in Judaism, you gotta go knock on a door. You have like hy Heagon, the Christians really do love Missionary work That's because it's all about capitalism. and owning things. That's why priests can't marry because they don't want no land from the church going to any other lineage. That's where it comes from. It's not religious. It is wild that theyad go all over the world like just stay where you are. Just stay where you are Ky? No you are doubting God if you gott to go spread the gospel becauseuse why you think I can't get over there and get a bush burning? Be , I you to do that. one hundred percent So, but of course, he's involved in this, right? Alan is. He's the president And he addressed the subject of homosexuality from two thousand one to twenty thirteen. The followers believe that same sex attractions were sinful and should be either forcefully changed or just repressed forever Yeah And that it was better to manage your temptations. We've seen this before. work so well Oh do that. Yeah. Just don't be who you are Yeah ye yeah You' a completely different person lie your whole life. Yeah. but Right. Oh G m in his image, but like he said putush some of the files behind a paywall. Yeah. That's right. ye. So for a time, Exodus International promoted the gay cure, a conversion therapy and pseudoscientific practice of trying to change a person's sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression to align with their heterosexual andisgeendered norms. And their slogan was, change is possible That's not very inspiring was in parentheses, just kidding. or tricky bitch or tricky bitch or No it A or any of you abo. 'a it's bullshit. Absolute Oh my God, I love the changees possible. Is it was it for you Beuse I hate it' still sucking dick behind closed doors. Yes it. Yeah, you just changed locations. We saw you in the park, babes. Is it possible? He' just hiding it from people. That ain't change. Yeah betteret secrets so one thing I do find hilarious about bigots is they never have any good messaging, any good comedy, any good fashions. Like you could come up with a be slogan that change is possible. What about pray a gay away? No gay today, gay, no way. Yeah make it more entertaining That was gay yesterday. Not today past. comeome on. something. Yeah. ye. somethingomet sassia. G, it's always a real fucking snooze fest that makes you think, why would I want to go there? Like wouldouldn't you want to attend swear fun? Yeah, they get it. They wantna pray the gateway. You're not even making straightness look fun. Yeah. I think that's the biggest gripe that biggest have with pride is that one pride is ive political because being queer has been a political statement because it was politicized and we've been persecuted. So it is supposed to be a political statement and a celebration. It's not about sex. It's about the rights to exist as a human being. But what bigot see and take away from it is just like everybody's dressed so well. Is that glitter? They got the best music they. Why everybody got abs? Why me. Yes Yeah, yeah. Like try letting go of it and you might be happy too. Yes, they do look like they're having fun Try it. You might leave this fucking group and no longer be the present you miserable f Theebration of heterosexuality is quite f.asts fast. I mean, you're talking about the Republican National Convention. Yeah. real. However they're loving that grinder. They do. that grinder all fire anytime Republic Okay. They're busy. Okay. I'm sure the app has to keep track of just like Republican national events and be like, we need more data. They No legitimately The guy did like some talk recently and said, it's amazing how much manpower we have to put in to the Surrounding areas of wherever that convention is because we know it's going to be fucking next level. It's the busiest time of the year. And I just think, hey, you guys, the calls coming from inside the house, maybe stop bitching about the rest of us and focus on yourselves. You're the problem, not us. And also, I feel like at this point, it would just be better for all of the queer, you know, whatever you are on the spectrum people to come out in politics and be like, yeah ool, We all doing it. And then just let that be that. I feel like fighting against it is making it so much hard harder. sameame And I say, look, I don't agree with your politics, but you can still be that political party and Dick, that's fine. It's fine No one's gonna to judge you. Not for that. okay? I judge our politics. Ething else But everything else. Yeah, E else. But no one's going judge you for second J just enjoy it Yes I agree heavy on the agree So obviously there's no science like or scientific evidence that change is possible. You're just jizing the I can tell you there is zero scientific evidence. Yes. scientific evidence makes it clear it's not possible What going on So therapy is under consumer fraud, by the way It is. Where is that lo? And the Supreme Court recently turned over some conversion therapy policies in Colorado, which we do not like to see, but it's a scam and it should be an outlawed medical practice. Okay. So like it's not the term that doctors use because it's not really therapy when they talk about conversion therapy. And it can involve lots of methods from prayer to electroshock therapy, brain surgery, exorcisms, castration, hypnosis, and a twelve step program called Homosexual was Anonymous. Guck out of here. Now I've always wondered, especially in the camps that take on male, men of any ilk these conversion camps, arerenn't you just rounding up a bunch of gay men in the woods? Do You know what I feel like we'rem gonna find my husband You know what? this is so controversial to say, but I'm not talking about the extreme ones. I'm talking about the ones that were just chit chat. like the I've got quotes everyone, the therapy ones. I'm like, wait if they're just trying to talk the gayaway or prayer the gayway, as a kid, I thought, whoa, I want to go to one of those because everyone's gay and I'm probably gonna meet my husband. L where better to go. Now, if you are forced to go of those And it's a trauma that I can only imagine. Yeah If it's one of those where it's just like a chit chat and you have the choice to go like Yeah, if it's voluntary, I might want to dip a tow just to see what's born on. ones where they ship you away, your parents sign you away. obbviously those are. They're all horrific. They're all horrific, but horrific. I' be interested to see who's showing up voluntarily for these. But if there was like a local church I live in Saltake City of Utah. If there wass a loc church down the street that said, do you to talk about what it looks like to maybe playay the game wayay of like, yeep. I do showing you talk about the Mormons who are married to the gay man Yes, but that is not actually the show. The show is called Sot' Morm and Wives and those men aren't I don't know they're out No, but they call it SSA, same sex attraction. Like it's a disease. And then they' like, I have SSA, but I'm straight life. and I'm like so bad for you. To be fair, I don't think they've ever said that on the show but Okay. A lot of people assume that those husbands are homosexual I love how you're out here ully out these set it. It came across two clear to me all seriious. I was like, we're all experience, right? Same. And unfortunately, the ones that we're talking about, they all tend to skew to the cruel, unusual andhan torture. They are banned in Canada, Brazil, Ecuador, Spain, Germany, France, Malta, and New Zealand. However in the US, it's still legal in many states. That's why I brought up Colorado Even for young people, but it's legally considered consumer fraud because you're not getting what you pay for. You leave just as gay as you can. That's right And this came from a twenty fifteen court case in New Jersey. So they brought it all the way to the court. And I wanted to know who went to a lawyer and was like, I am still gay. I want my money back. Itch. However That is so the kind of pay shit I would have done back in the day if I wouldt have been sent to any of. If I' had paid too try and get the gay away. I'm like, I know it's not possible, but then I'm gonna sue these bitches. Yeah I'm on the same small cage. Yeah. I feel like I would be like u I just saw Tessa Thompson and the loins was loining. Give me my money back. G me my money back. Especially if I knew that it was just one of those voluntary ones, I would pay knowing that I was gonna sue if I was broke If I was broke, I'd like, yeah, okay I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to get rich quick. I'm going to go to that thing I'm going to give them my money and then I'm going to sue because it's not possible. Yep. I'm coming back to court with a girlfriend and a neck brace and I want my money today day. I we sam them back Se them. Alan married a woman named Allen's our Exodus United interternational president, gay president. E presresente married a woman named Leslie and adopted two children. He wrote three books including My Exodus From Far to Gace, God's Grace in the homosexual nexte Door Godor! God! This is this is a full title. God's grace and the homosexual next door Colin reaching the heart of the gay men and women in your world. Wh g people What do you mean they next door? you got to go bother them? He wrote a whole book on bothering gay people. Please't be serious. Whoever his wife is, his friends and family They could have at least this is her w this is his wife. That's Leslie. I see Leslie. the dri with Subaru. and she loves making canoes in the backyard. I know ish this is lavender if I've ever seen lavender. I can smell the lavender marriage through screen. I could smell the lavender too. And they adopted kids, they ain't never bumped ugly. No She never wantanded to that but stay away from me. I I'm a little concerned that no one said to him. Obviously his friends hate him. None of his friends said, you know what, L, you might want to reconsider that title. That's a long last title. No one's going recid that Gohead Re reaching the heart. Why do you reach the heart of them. And I think that's because he want to hang out with his community. That's why he's so involved. He was like, how can I be with the gay community if I also have the Christian bigiggot still on my side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Okay, I'll go over there and admonish them. I know I have to go to the abbey because I need to tell them they're doing it well. Yes I tip the Go dancer because I want him to come down and pray with me the opp I'm su up the Go dancer I'm just doing that so they understand how wrong it is. I want them to see how wrong it. Once you have sex with a straight person, you become straight too. That' I'm doing what it comity. That's right, That's right. And the last book title here speaking of long ones, Tan, here's another one, Laving homosexuality. Colon, a practical guide for men and women looking for a way O U I don't think you should have said looking for a way out They're out Theo look for a way you're looking for a way out They're not looking for a way out. You're looking for a way outir Oh, that poor bastard. Right? You're looking for a way out of the the bigot in Christianity that you're a part of. Yeah, yeah yeah. You're looking for a way out of the closet. You just have the stunt to do it. So you're pretending you're not gay at all way out of. What? Can we please stop acting like the gay community is having welcome parties? We are not trying to convert anyone. We're not like, oh, you came over here and you was gay. donon't leave. anybody there's no way out to stop having sex with same sex people Yeah out. What do you mean? Also a way out of what? Joy, happiness. I think authenticity, self expression. Like what A way out of what Yeah When you come out yeah, almost every I don't think I've ever met one person who's like You know I wish I were back in the closet. I feel everfraid get the fuck out ofa here The fuck out of here. Yeah. No said no one ever. It to go be in a snooty or a suppressive place where everyone's judging you constantly and you cant be yourself. No one has ever been like, let's walk into that. Yeah. no one's looking for that. So no, they don't need a way out. They're perfectly happy once they're out No, do you want to join this prison? Way back in the closet. Come on in, It's terrible It's like he wrote for himself, poor busted but also evil busted. What evil busted 'causeuse like you could have just enjoyed your life, but instead you're so miserable, your're helllm in on making others miserable so you can get that company. So in twenty eleven, EXcess International released an iPhone app from they had a subscription, a little free trial. Free trial yeah Promoting the idea that homosexuality can be cured. It was later removed from the app store. What am I supposed to do? I' pray to gay away. Like every time I get a gay feeling, I get on the app. Oh no are gays in your area. R, run. ike what is this? In twenty twelve, Alen backtracked on conversion therapy and stopped using the term gay cure, admitting that the methods usually didn't work. And in twenty thirteen, Exus International dissolved completely. So he did give this up Which however I need to pause you he said usually it doesn't work. How many times you're using the word usually wrong? Tell me how many fucking times it works How many times did you convert somebody from gate to straight Give me the exact numbers. I feel like the usually was for him to give himself some kind of, you know absolution. Yeah abbsolve himself rather Yeah, yeah So he knows it's never, but he can't say never. He was doing it for like three years. It was his whole life. Yeah. It was his whole life. It was his entire personality, It'sy got Yeah, he was doing it longer than that. I think about a decade. So u never changed his public beliefs though that, you know, this is not in the Bible, which like y'all don't read the Bible because there's a lot of stuff in there that if we did it, y'all would be dismayed. I love when people saw this side note I love them I'm going to say Americans even though American, American Christi We'll talk about other religions as if they're so damaging. like have you seen what it says in the Quran? Im like it says basically the same thing in the Bible, but how stupid are you? Yeah. mostost of us who are smart know that a lot of those allegories we're not gonna actually do that. My dad didn' try to sell me off, you know for a family. You know, like there's a ton of things in there that we don't want to do, okay Yeah So u He was arrested, Allan in Florida, M after a months long sting operation in which he was messaging an undercover detective posing as a fourteen year old boy. He was using Snapchat, telegram, texts, and he did send a picture of his penile at one point So not only was Alan found for a fraud for promoting a belief system that one he does not adhere to and absolutely does not work, but he was also Do this solicitation of a minor. I'm so glad that the person that he was soliciting was an undercover cop and that it was a sing. I love a Chris Hansen moment because then the actual children aren't getting involved, but we're getting your nasty ass off the streets Per sit down with your wine coolers bit y' going to jail tonie. Love it. We should really have written more books about how to stop being a pedophile as opposed to a gay person Because that's the major issue we've got here, sir. Beuse these are two separate things Yeah massively two separate. One of them are normal and beautiful. The other one is a fucking crime and disgusting.' say exactly about that. You're focusing on the thing that's not an issue whatsoever as opposed to you being a fucking dirty bastard. Yeah. Nobody is welcoming petowos into their community with open arms as they should not be. okay? That's what you need to worry about So with these alleged crimes, Allan joins a long line of historic hypocrites anti gay activists who have turned out to be the very thing that they were trying to outlaw. You were too hyper fixated on it. Like why do you care? Also I'm not even worried about you being a bigot is not at the top of the list now. you trying to harm children at the very top of the list. Put your hand out of prison. And don't try to claim that it has anything to do with homosexuality because you did that weird shit on your own.. Okay. And I know, I shouldn't encourage this, but they're gonna to treat you real right in prison darling Scond I actually like to be consensual, but maybe that's where you need to be so you can be your livingo truth with But what if they should know what's on your jacket And a jacket is basically, I got some, I got some criminals Iby chatting with. A jacket in prison is basically like your medical forms, what you're in for, all of that. If you don't tell people what you are in for prison for, you don't have to worry. The guards will either tell the dam out Or you they'll get your jacket and they going start whooping on your ass for harming women and children. So that's what she does. Eespecially with children. I'm like, Yeah get the busted. Yep, get them So Exodus founders ended up marrying each other, right? So the two people who founded it so remember, Allan was the president.. He's the creep who went to prison. But the founders of Exodus International, which was the principple right that gay attraction could be cured, they ended up marrying each other. Michael Buset and Gary Cooper, not the actor from the Western movies, a different met while working on a crisis hotline at Melodyand Christian Center, an evangelical Christian Church, they were both married Gary has two children, while Michael was soon to be a father and both identified as former homosexuals who had been cured. Together, they founded Exodus International that Alan Creepass was the president. She was the largest ex gay organization. and they intended to turn gay people straight. They were popular speakers on the evangelical circuit. their families vacation together M sureure they did. T's vacations together. Im sure y'all did a little. Bys time left the wives with the kids and went it had boys time.. And they move their families into the same apartment complex Gary and Michael's wives were best friends. Cose. They left the group to be in a relationship with each other in nineteen seventy nine. They divorced their wives and participated in a commitment ceremony in nineteen eighty two. and they lived together until Gary's death in nineteen ninety one. In two thousand seven, Michael issued an apology for his involvement in promoting orientation change through Exodus So my Apologize. Yes But here's my thing And this goes across men of any sexual orientation. You know what? I'm just gonna have to maybe attribute this to whiteness first, but I'm gonna start with white men. I am so exhausted with A white man's personal problem, their own self doubt or self hatred, their own inconvenience, their own issue having to become the world's problem. It is one of the biggest plagues that has been around for centuries is I mean, we're dealing with it right now in Los Angeles with Spencer Preay. That weird ass bitch ass white man's house burned down and he handled fire insurance. So now I gott to deal with him for six months Do you know what's fucking crazy though? People fall for it every fucking time like How stupid are you? Look what happened the last time we fell for some clown. He's now running our country. Y Donald Trump didn't get enough hugs from his dad and his weird his weird looking ass family and they only gave him a little tiny one million dollar loan to start off his gri game. No And and the left, the liberals, the cool people never let him sit at the table. G him no casino gambling licenses. And now the whole world has to suffer. That's right. And we didn't learn our lesson, even in California didn't learn their lesson. And now they're propping up old Spencer Prat. I need to know Prat means something else in England. Do you know what Prat means in England? No, but I would love to so I can use it basasically means you're a fucking dick. It just means a fucin A hole. absolute fucking prat. Like it's usually a guy and it's like that tool, that fucking A hole that every circle' got, every community's got that fucking A hole. That's what a prat is Courter' name Sencer fucking Pat Acurate name, perfect name, right on theist for me Yeah. I mean, I guess this apology is out there. At least he took the opportunity to apologize, but at the same time, you spent most of your life with your loved one trying to ruin other people's lives. and I don't know if I'm sorry is gonna with that. I'm going to say this which is shocking bracees off Back in the day I know it was a lot harder for them to be who they are naturally in the seventies, eighties, nineties. So I understand that it's hard However, that didn't mean that you had to go and take that and use it against your own people. I understand it was hard But even an apology now isn't really gonna to cut it You could have just dealt with your own shit and not inflicted pain on others. And unfortunately, hurt people hurt people, but white men do it on a much larger scale. It's not just their families that they're hurting. They're also gonna to reach out into the communities and try to hurt others. Yeah. If they're an ambitious hurt person, oh, we're all in a world of trouble they get up every day And that's why they open their eyes. It's like, how can I inflict pain on others today? That is be the only I can't be the only afflicted once so we gott to be punished. I always say those types of people, if you can't look in a mirror, baby, they look out the window. whichich y'all got going on. Yeah,. I can't face myself. you all in your shit. okay So now let's move on to dor. George Rickers So in the year two thousand, the state of Florida, a lot of Florida going on here.. surprised Florida is so embarrizing. like truly. In the year two thousand the state of Florida hired Dr. George Rereckers, which perfect last name because you reckon shit to defend the state's ban on adoption by gay couples. Arkansas hired him for the same job in two thousand four and he did it again in Florida in two thousand seven. He was a professor of neuropsychology psyiatry at the University of South Carolina and our ordained Baptist minister. And he co founded the Family Research Council. I mean, I guess like, this makes sense to me because I'd be at the gay Club on Saturday and sometimes the church on Sunday. It does feel like I'm in the Wh is that more rule So he was an officer and a scientific advisor for the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. Can I stop you for a second I feel like I know where the story is going to end, but I just need to ask Did anyone look at his hard drive and did they find Kpon on there Ding ding dink. Yeah always the c M Always a fucking g, sorry to jump the shark, please continue on. N ye, ' he was trying to ban gay people from adopting children. Remember? Of course yes. Y, of course yes. Where' these sas coming from? So he said the gay parents were a danger to their children. So it was shocking not to us that he was caught coming home from a European vacation with a male escort named Lucian who he found on Rit Boy. com in twenty ten. Sucker What the hell is Rentboy.ot com and why the hell is the government not shut that down? I just feel like the government in general should just be searching online sketchy ass titles for websites and going straight to those people's IP addresses in their homes. Like please ser Americans system for fucking any random bitter shite. Like we're always being tracked yet. We can't find these fuckers. Do you know why? Well, I was about to say nobody Be because the people who who would be tracking them are like involved Yeah So at first, George said he hired the man to carry his luggage because he just had surgery. You know how you gott to go on rentaboy dot com Europe And then they carry your luggage back. I always have prostitutes with me because I find difficult carrying my bag. So yeah, I always have. Yeah, they don't have nobody who works at TSA who does that. don't worry about that.. You can't hire like a car company. No, no, no, No poor old guy yeah Yeah. So he said he wasn't able to lift anything. I feel like it was lift of something, George. He also tried to explain himself with a Facebook post. He says, I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal of trying to help them. Remember we said that's why they do it so they can be around the people that want to be around. That's right. He resigned from North and hasn't beened hired as an anti gay expert witness since then So something doesn't seem right How's he not an expert on this He is an expert on it, but like not for the reasons that they wanted him to. And so as far as we know, there's no involvement with the need like the escort was of age, it seems. I'm not getting any flags there, but I'm sorry Rntab boy. com sounds like sounds like you involved in this stuff that you was talking about. And I would argue that a queer gay couple or lesbian couple wanting to adopt are going to be some of the most loving families because if they can't conceive and they really want a child, they want that child. That wasn't an accident. I know many straight couple who have had an accident. and I know a lot of shitty straight parents, a lot of shitty straight parents. Whenever I hear that fucking argument, I get it constantly, constantly online. Oh, those poor boys of yours' like Bitch, watch how I raise my kids and watch how beautiful I am with my kids and I see you with yours and I'm going to watch out for your neighbour's daght you dirty bastard Right Becauseuse they they still there's still the straight adage of like, oh boys are easier than girls. I'm like, yeah, 'causeuse you don't raise them, and then they become our problem.. Like how are y'all raising kids? And then they're always like, oh queer people, gay people want to put their agenda onto our kids. And it's like, you're the one asking your four year old if they have a girlfriend After they leave, you know, preschool. Yeah ye Like so's doing it? With every one of these people, just like with this fuck whit. Everyone of these people are like, show me a fucking hard drive. showow me your fucking hard drive. If you're thinking about what I'm doing to my kids, I want to know what's on your hard drive you do. Because what makes you jump in your logic to that being the immediate thing that these people would do. And a lot of times we're projecting our own thoughts onto other people. That's why the internet is just so insufferable now. Oh yeah. You know, the famous meme that's like, oh someone says I love pancakes and then then someone's in the comments like, so why do you hate why? Yeah, ye that's a whole different perage. Oh yeah You think about waffles. I'm talking about bagggs. As fuy loooo more before we get out of here, Richard Curtis So Dick Curtis, Richard Curtis. Republican Washington State legislator. Oh, I thought you metant the director. I was what I was about to say not the director. Okay thought actually. I was gonna to say he's the nicest guy. I look that guy. Rick Curtis is great We don to call him Dick Curtis. We're not gonna to put no shade on Rick Curtis's name. Okay. Rickurtis is wonderful. Thank you so much.'s wonderful. Dick Curtis is who we' talking about. D Kurt is the legislator, o? He repeatedly voted against gay rights measures in his state. He voted in two thousand five and two thousand six against the bill that granted civil rights protections to gays and lesbians, and in two thousand seven voted against a bill that created domestic partnership for same sex couples. The same year, he was in spoke for a retreat to discuss the upcoming legislative session. He went to the Hollywood erotic boutique on october twenty sixth and met an escort named Cody who accompanied him to the Davenport Tower Hotel. Let me guess, it's just because he's such a good Christian. He wants to read the Bible to this person and tell them that this was a sin and I'm going help you get back ono had to go to the hotel because you know hotels have the B and there wkers could find the Bible. Oh that was the only place he could find the Bible at three thirty AM. Yeah. with hotel in the drawer. Yeah. so they could have you a pop get Maritan. Good Saritan about his parents are proud So they arrived at three thirty AM, you know, to read the Bible.. They had sex so you can show what you're not supposed to be doing. Yeah. And after which Richard Dick, excuse me, Dick fell asleep. The escort said Dick agreed to pay him a thousand dollars for the sex and then reneged on the deal Juice Thaling You're stealing M. Also, I know this is harsh, but when you look like that, everyone I'm looking at a picture, when you look like that You need to offer more than a thousand dollars for that boy to have sex with you. Yeah. For anybody to have sex with you, with that matter, like your lips are giving like more. L it's giving extra when they p b out on law and order. Like are you alive, sir? Yeah Because your lips aren't Tell your lips that they need circulation because they're not getting it. You imagine them little Kusties all you? That seventies por stach This is a community service. You owe him a lot more than a thousand dollars. B told to your home. Yeah. And it's some eyeewash or something. you know, like It know.ow Wh, I would have eyes closed just not. I could ooh, dissociation top ten. Baby, thatsast, please. When Dick decided that he was going to not pay the escort, Dick called the police You even call police on thisquort. Dick, we need to wh you' ass D claimed that he wasn't g and accused Cody of extortion, but later told prosecutors he wanted the charges dropped. Dick resigned his seat in two thousand seven. So you know, if you work in politics, I would imagine your rapport with law enforcement is probably stronger than the average person. Yeah. He's calling his dogs out on Cody think that prostitution or sex work should be illegal. It's one of the oldest professions. if not the oldest, it should be protected and it should be safe Yeah becausecause it's going to happen regardless. I say it all the time if M Hack Kuchcii be on the stock market so like That to me is not the issue. The issue is like you didn't pay this man for their services. And then you tried to incarcerate this person on top of that. you su insane. However, how large just you suck? you're so fucking stupid, like you've drawn attention to this. How dumb are you? also All these fucking idiots in politics. I'm like, if you are a closeted homosexual, why are you in politics? That's like me trying to pretend I'm straight with a job that I fucking do. People would find out in a heartbeat you idiot, there are more eyes on you. Why would you do that? That's so dark Dob Fx man. Here's my theory Fks. So I think many, many, many people who are on my side of the camera in Hollywood whether you know it or not, and I know some for sure again, not outing are on the spectrum of some kind of homoseosexuality. whether it be bi pan, you know, gay, straight I mean, gay, you know, lesbian asexual. they're on there, right And they love entertainment because maybe we like that's a stereotype that I'm not to refuse is that give me a moment. I will perform. Now. A lot of people in our industry tend to be more conventionally attractive. I call DC politics Hollywood for ugly people. Like you still want to be a pageant girl. You You want cameras, you want the paparazzi following you up the Capitol steps. You want to get on the floor and give your sassy speech. And so how can you do that but still be closeted? You go to DC And they don't care about how you look. they care about how much power you amass. So that. Do do you know what, That's a really fair read. Okay, I'll take that. right? So I was like I like he was like, how can I be one of the girls but the girls don't know, but yeah but some of the girls know. girls I pay. girls I pay. But honestly, I don't think our community has to be that welcomey either because I don't for one think that Dick should be living in his truth in our community. You can live in the truth and maybe find you some bigoted homosexuals to hang out with, but I don't to see you at pride. You have a nasty spirit. You calling the police off sex workers that you sayay away from the. Yeah, you've got nothing to be proud of Dw. No, you find you some evil homosexuals to hang out with right there on the Senate floor. Yeah. You'll hate each other. you'll hate yoursel, that's f Yeah, hang out on with Lizzy Graham. We know it's up. Yes. Yes. You got it. Yeah. And the last one we have here with a beautiful last name to match. Weve got some good ones. Prat now we know that's a piece of shit that works. We've got Ted Haggard. is a great la. Oh, please, we've got a picture Is he H haggard? I really Yes, can we get Ted haggard? Oh ding ding ding. Very haagggard. Good for him. Oh. Why is his hairline running towards me but leaving the ses behind? He looks like a cough He's got the mouth of a cough. That's yeah. alsoso somebody with this kind of vone structure really should never make But get this close to a camera this feels like a threat Sir, I'm calling the police. Yeah. Yeah, wow. is he a preacher man? He looks like You know, you know he is. Look at that suit. Evangelical leader. Re I was about to say evvangelical leader, but I didn't want to pull out relig. No, that's the evangelical suit. I knew it fuck me that was Wow, I can't believe how good I am at this game. Wow Re nameame that scammer. and we're there? Wow ten. Ted Hagard was the leader of a fourteen thousand member new lifeife mega church in Colorado Springs and was campaigning against legalizing same sex marriage when his gay sex candle broke in two thousand six. I personally do'm Once the church gets to the word mega, like when meega is in front of a church that to me is no longer a community center Yeah I can't leaveorration And shake my pastor's hand. Yeah. This is too large of. It's literally just a corporation Yeah understand opening many satellite churches and may we bring up other people and a lot of churches do that. That way the church is dead in that person's community. But once we get to meega and they pass the credit card swiper forertize an offering, we've gone a sub su farree. No, It's literally you're just going to work on a Sunday. likeike this is my job. I'm going to work. I pay these people. This is a job that I pay for Yeah. and For me, I'm like, how much community outreach are you doing? Where is the benevolence ofing? Ohit sorry sorry I can answer Zero Zil. couldould' give a fog never ask for statements. I think that's something that churches should start to do. There should be like an auditing you know Wh you order where the community can come and see where the money that they've given has gone. This great. If you've chosen to join that corporation That when he's g M fool you moreful. If you've decided to join that mega church and listen to that person who's sprouting spouting hate on that pulpit, more fool you, you don't get a right to look at that stment. He can buy all those bentleys he wants because you've given him your b Yeah If it's big at church, if it's a church where they're trying to claim that they're doing good. if you're going to big at church b you're in scam. You're in the scam. They don't care they tell you take your money and use it for anything. Exactly. They're telling you that they want us to not get married and they want us to burn at the stake. G the buuck out of here. give them any money and just Do what they can do what they want with it. It's not your right to ask what. And if you get upset that they're using their money your money for their mentally, hu You gave them your money. There was hyam. Yeah yeah. you wanted them to talk hy on that pulpit, not take care of people, not be kind to people, not do what Jesus did. So yeah, you're right. Absolutely you don't need, you don't need a statement. get the fuck out of here And I hope if it ever comes time for you to need the church's help, I hope you see who they really are. I was a girl on TikTok who do like a viral TiTok. she called a lot of churches asking for formula. And all the Christian churches were like, I't know what to do girl I't know how toy girl. She called some strip clubs and the strippers showed out and showed up. I know someone in my life right now who reached out to a church I'm in Utah. We've got a lot of Mormon churches here and the Mormon churches are usually wonderful. but she reached out. she gives ten percent tithing, everyree paycheck, ten percent goes out of her account And she needed help Didn't help her No one helped her. It's not There you are, young lady There you are. point you got to bring the ten percent that's coming out of your check receipts to the service and act the fool. I would go to FedEx Kinko, I would print that shit out bigig as hell. I would go right up in the tabernacle. And I' be like, is this guy's will? 'cause I thought we were supposed to be helping and I've done my part and nobody has done theirs. I bring a camera, I bring YouTubers and I bring light, we go viral light Because the hypocrisy is wild. That money is supposed to go to the community. I mean, you talked about this on this podcast earlier you know years ago, but Joel Austin, when there was this huge like hurricanes in Houston, closed the doors to the church when people were displaced from their homes and everything was splitting. That is what the church is for. That's why you don't pay taxes Youo's supposed to be out? Absolutely. abbsolutely. But instead, y'all want to be out here hurting people, T busy hurting people. So Ted was forced to resign after his sex scandal as the president of the politically powerful National Association of Evangelicals after admitting that he had bought mh sexual encounter with a gay sex worker. So math is the m the le cherary on top is like not only were you was enjoying his life I enjoy your life. He was having a little circuit. okay? Okay, sir, we jumped with the metath. But he's been married to his wife Gail since nineteen seventy eight. and they have five children. twenty twenty two, he was accused of the same things. Yes, again, using meth and having same sex relationships at his new church, Saint James Church in Colorado Springs. So he didn't learn his lesson. He moved churches He said, I'm not gay any moreore,'all don't go over to Colorado Springs and ask them nothing about me. Okay I' gay over here. I was only gay over there Yeah I've gone to conversion therapy. It really works. Yeah. honestly moving out of the city made me not gay no more. Yeah The city was making me gay. Yeah. And so then when I left, I was like, whooh, deliivered. Yeah, really hts.' that affect on people. Yeah And he got caught again in twenty twenty two. So imagineuck. This is why I always think too if people get a DUI It's rare that someone gets a DUI and it's their first time driving intoxicated, right? Yeah Like E everyone's gonna say that because they don't wan to say like, man dr great. L just fuck. I've been driving great'. G. You' so good at this. R. I'm a great drug driver. No one's gonna say that. They're gonna say this is my first time. I only had a couple drinks I was on an empty stomach You know, like they're gonna to say this is just a natural human condition. And getting a DUI is so embarrassing and sad and dangerous. And hopefully if you have one out there, like you understood there was a mistake and no one got hurt and you move on with your life. thingsings happen. We do it again. that. Don't do it again. And if you have been driving and you know you was lit when you got home, if you come into your parking garage or on the street and go car parked to look crazy in the morning. Let that be your lesson before you harm yourself or somebody else on the road. That's your be youI. I know I know you don't park your car the wheels were't look Sober But the same thing for me goes with this situation of him getting caught again, you know, using meth and having you know sex with a male sex worker is I bet you, the two times you got caught were not the two times you did one hundred percent. Are you kidding me? This is one in one hundred, he just got caught. Yeah. I feel like the girls know you on backpage. I feel like the girls know you are the on the grinders. Yeah like And so the scam today and to end our Pride month on a highlight note is that one truth always comes to light eventually and two like ese type of bigots still exist today and they're still down low still, I mean, we're still see I mean, Christy Gum's husband has a whole, you know, he likes to cosplay with titties and shit like that and a sex worker out at him. I don't think normal people If you have a fetish, I don't think there's anything against that. It's that people who come out and openly preach against the things. I was going to say that the people who fight against their own community, yet, they are doing those things. They are the issue. That's my biggest cribe. I'm like, don' hate in your own fucking community. dont make it worse for your own people just because it's bad for you Yeah. And I mean, the term closet itself means that you are in an enclosed space with the door closed alone. Yeah. If you going be closets, please be in an enclosed space with the door closed alone. How you going be outside bothering people for their freedom pe jealous of their freedom. Yeah. Exactly, because you're so mad that you can't live in your truth But you still want to hang around the girls. Yeah, but you want to pretend you hate us. Yeah cept. Yes. Oh mysh, Tan, you have had so many amazing opinions, thoughts stories. This was such a blast chatting with you today. I loveved this lady. Thankks so much. I could gossip all day. I know. 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