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Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from Behind the Paywall and as always Stay scheming. Welcome congregation. It's your girl Lacey Moseley AK Scam God is back with another installment of Scam God is The podcast all about robbery fraud and those who practice it. I know y'all can tell my voice sounds a little different. Stop doing that weird stuff when I get sick and y'all like, o, we like that. That's weird But I have hay fever y'all. It's not even COVID. I forgot the other girls are out here like Pllen and ragwi and they whoop my ass, My eyes are red. I feel terrible. But look, I'm still here because I have a problem. All right, anyways, let's get back. Well, no, actually, let's keep a pair of social because y'all already know, I'm yes, excited, extremely excited. ellated even for today's guest. We have two guests. yes for you One of our guests is a writer, podcaster, and musician with two decades of experience in a music instrry comeome on season. And our other guest is a writer actress, longstanding comedian who's best known for killing on Saturday night liive, y'all. This sibling duo invites special guests to take a nostalgic look back at their fun but strange childhoods on their podcast called How did we get weird? Oh yes. Check it out our Will Farrell's Big Money Players Network on iHart Radio or wherever you get your podcast. Conggregation, please welcome Jonah and Vanessa Bear. Hey, how are you too? We're doing good. How are you doing? I'd love to see it. I am Well, you know, the outdoors is beating my ass So that's what I'm dealing with. But I like to think of it as like, I'm just like such a bad bitch that you know, the sky gota fight me and the wig. Right, right, right, right. That makes total yeah. That's either that or that I would not have lived in the eighteen hundreds My bjaz, I would' have been dead extra early ' I needed modern medicine. so I'm at least class I don't know, I was born at this time.ame hundred. I love modern medicine. and I'm like, what were they doing back then? I don't know, I guess lech They died a lot. or leeches. They died or leeches. I also loveved that time because I feel like anybody was saying they could be a healer. There was probably some people who were kind of naturally inclined to be good healers. and then there were other people who were like, I don't know, let's cutem and bleedem Yeah Eactly. Yeah. ye That sounds good. Yeah, wa it. That's what it's like living in L.A now. It's like there's all kinds. Oh yes. everyveryone in LA. It's so funny because You know, it's very liberal out here and people love to be like, well, I don't know why people don't believe in the vaccine, but then they also like to be like, have you ever chewed makaroo to get rid of your acne? Yeah ye Which is it? Which is it We always ask on this podcast, what is your relationship with scams? It could be literally anything like, do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Have you ever run some scams that you know like the twelve A pull up on, you know It could be anything. I would sayither. Jonah and I are both absolute scam artists. Jonah, do you want to? Yes Yes. Okay, out the gate. Jonah, do you want to lead with your? I feel like we both I have like an ongoing scam and Jonah has sort of like a scam from growing up that I feel like has influenced his scamming today Yes. I had a scam, I think we've talked about this on our podcast, but I had a scam of borders, books of music. Are you familiar with Borders, the chain? Yes, I am. Are they still alive or did they get circus cing? I think they're not still around and I think it may have had something to do with the scam. Other people have may. Yeah, or maybe just you, Jona When I was a teenager, me and my friend Dan figured out that we' taught by someone else in Stain. Louis, a friend of ours sayy passed away, taught us that You could go into Borders's books and return any book you wanted and get store credit, even if you didn't buy it there. You didn't need a receipt. And so we started we're really into like music and punk rock. We were probably around like fifteen, sixteen years old. We go the Walden books down the street buy these really expensive hardcover books. where you know, the manufacture price was like thirty bucks. They'd be on sale for like three dollars We'd spend like twenty bucks And we go over to borders and return them, we get like hundred and fifty dollars in store credit and they add a music section so would just buy CD's. So And we would do this over and over and get all these CD's until one time we got caught because my friend's sister was working there. And I used a fake ID because I was so scared because they would enter in your ID info every time you did a return. And I was like thinking like somewhere at corporate borders, they're gonna to know on return. likeike no way they ever care. How old were you at the time? I would say, yeah, I was probably In high school. Wow. So you didn't use the fake idea to buy like beer. You were like I' know what actually, hold on, hold on. hold on. I think I'm getting the timeline wrong. I think I actually was in college. That's a headl. That's wor. I think I was probably like twenty. ' still not twenty one. So everyverybody else is in the line you're in that line at Yeah. I think Yeah. So yeah. so no, I definitely not in line of the club. defefinitely in line at like the import section of like the the borders trying to get like Bt and Sebastian import CD's. And my friend Matt sister was working one day. She was like a manager and I was doing a return And She came over and said, Hi Jonah and I had my ID out that said my name was Paul. And She blew up the whole set. She gave me this this is the best part of the story. She gave me this look like, why are using a fake ID to return books? Like this seems like you're up to something. And being, you know, a young person, I said Hold on a second. I have to get something out of my car and I just left justust left the books.t And then my friend Matt, of course, her younger brother called me that night and said, what happened? My sister said you just like were acting weird, used a fake ID. and then when you had to about it, you just walked out the store and didn't come back That is my favorite exit. It's so comedic to get caught and then just run away. just le. It's such something a teenage or twenty year old like do who just didn't know how to deal with a situation someomeone in their twenties, Jo. Yeah. actually the story is less funny now that I realizeed maybe I was a little older. No, it's very funny to me. And honestly and I think if you're in your twenties, you're still a baby. But sure, I just I would recommend this to adults today. I'm telling y'all, if you get caught and you know you're not a good liar, just sprint away. J sprint away sprint away. And so yeah, then they kind of caught on and it ended I guess I've always felt this is a gray area with this scam. I'd like to he get your thoughts because You know, if you got a present as a gift during that point, you could just bring it back to borders and return it and then they would still sell it. You know, I wasn't actually going in and stealing anything. I was just getting store credit and you didn't need a receipt. So I don't, you know I knew where the books came from, but I could have not known and just taken them there Let me ask this. Okay. So just borders did they sell like older books? Did they sell anything that was or was it like all fresh new? I think it was all fresh new, but I still think I think that they resold these books as like part of their inventory. because then towards the end they would like they would look it up in the book, we don't sell this book. We can't give you credit for it. Like I think they kind of caught on So that's interesting to me because if they made a coin off of it, then got store credit depending on how much because I guess like for some reason we're like used books. I feel like if the book looks good, if it doesn't look like you took it in and like wrestleania it and did like those elbows, you know, like stomping on and shit, then like it's a book. Like I'm going to get the same value out of it as I would have if it was fresh so Yeah, I'm on your side regardless because scam up fucket corporation. And you're a professional musician, so look, you were doing what you had to do to get where you needed to go. Yeah Yeah, I was getting research, I was learning about new influences. know, and CD's were expensive back then. And like I said, I was getting imports. I couldn't afford that stuff. So yeah, I mean, I think it, but then borders did catch on and then they went out of business But also your friend sister, also a flag for me because s, why were you hating? Like if I see anybody I know coming to a place of business that I work at and they are like they got a fake ID, they're doing some shit. I'm just gonna Sure. do my job Yeah, look the other way. It She almost did that, Jonah, but you got freaked out, right? Yeah I said I, right? No, she was curious why I was using a fake ideD to return Probably like a book made for middle aged people But I think that I think it might have been on her part, just also just curiosity, like what like what are you doing? Maybe not you're doing something wrong, but this just doesn't seem like something a normal. person would do. Like this isn't why people use fake ID's Yeah, she could have ask aem questions later. Yeah fair enough. Fair enough Ga, Paul. Yeah. And then when you have a private moment, like a week later or whatever, she could call you and say like, so why were you going by Paul? Right, right, right, right, right.. Yeah. so yeah. but that was sort of like my big scam. And this was a scam me and my friend Dan pulled for like a while, like a whole school year, I think, until they caught on. And so we got a lot of CDs and it was it was just like, what do you want to do the weekend? It wass like I guess we go to O one books, buy all these books, takeake them the borders was like down the road. Wed just drive right over and it was like it was comoming of age story. scheme. Yeah, it was That was a time where businesses would they were more thirsty, you know for our business. So they were like, oh, you can return because Nordstroms had a similar policy, which they don't anymore where it was like there was always this mythical story that someone returned att tired and Nordstroms. But I do know for a fact My boyfriend in college had an old old ass North fage jacket that he did not get at Nordstroms and he went to Nordstroms and he returned it and like exchanged it and got a brand new jacket. Yeah. So they were at the time doing that. And then when people started abusing it, they were like, all right, fuck this They're like S screw these customers. Let's get everything we can out of them Now you go into the stores, they're like, what do you want? And hurry up. That's so interesting to me because going clothes shopping is like fun for me at all. Like it's not something I enjoy. Totally, totally. So then you're putting another barrier there, right It's like the last thing I want to do when I'm shopping is see anyone. I do like to shop, but I don't want to ever run into anyone I know. I just want to get through it I just read an article about like in Brooklyn, like in Willienssburg and stuff, they have these like designer gyms now where it's like three thousand dollars a month and like you have to apply to get in and it's like kind of like a social thing. I think this is like the way kind of like, I don't know if's social media or just media or going where like this exclusivity for people. And I do not like it for the record. No. Yeah, no. We've seen it too with the drops. like I love Beyonce, but those Iy park drops. I was like, sweetie. Where is where the clothes? Like where are I'm trying to give you my money, Beyonce, like I always do And I can't even find it. Yeah. So I want that to go away. Just let us enjoy things. The world is ending. So Nessa, you are up at bed. What is your relationship with I scam. I've been scamming since I was a kid, I'll say. I love to scam. My current scam as an adult is that you know, it's It's particular to restaurants, and it will be that when I'm eating in a restaurant and someone recognizes me, from usually from Saturday Night Live, but any of the projects I've done, I can kind of tell. Okay sometometimes they'll say something, but sometimes I can just tell. How can you tell Is it a certain like like it's a stare is like car look Yeah. Yeah. It's like sometimes people are just so nice to you in a way that you would I would love to think, you know They're just being nice to me because they're in a great mood. it just you just feel like this person's job is too hard there for them to be so nice in this moment. Yeah And I know you're not that's not gross at all. I went to a restaurant and didn't even notice it recently where the server just like would not leave our tables. L she was like they had those automatic like POS systems on their like in their hands where you can type in the menu almost like on a phone or the order And so she was like typing in the order there, standing there, would not leave, kept coming back and just standing there. And we were like, can we We're gonna talk like it was yeah, like, it felt like surveillancy and none of neither of us realized like, oh, maybe it was because she recognized you or me. It was very funny. So I don't think that's weird at all. Okay. Okay, well, so the next time this happens to you, Lacey, you should do my scam. Okaykay? Oh. So once you realize that the server knows They know who you are. They're like you This is what you do the Well, you can do it earlier in the meal too, but it's especially to me works on desserts At the end of the meal if they're like, what do you want for dessert? Okaykay? You say Two things that you're between. So you say like, I'm between, you know, the chocolate cake and the Tereamiou And you say, which one is better? Which one this is, you know, they have to be pretty into you, but you should cut that out. Okay. But it's obviously too late. but they go you go, which one do you like better? And they'll go hm, they'll go, I think go with the Teream Misu. and you go like you go, great, o, we'll get the Termam Mu to a few minutes later, they're bringing the desserts out and they brought you both. And they go, we brought you the Termamisu, but we also wanted you to try the chocolate cake because it's so good. So it's like giving it's like it's such a disgusting scam I do. But everybody who's worked with me Any point knows that I love free stuff It's like my's like freest for me. It's the best. So that's how you get a free dessert. and I do have to pay for one dessert, yes Does it sometimes backfire because I've had this happen where I've been like H then I'll be like I really want both and I'm really counting on getting both desserts. so then they bring out I go, I'll have the TiM Mis soon and then they bring out the Tir M sou and I'm like, And I guess we we'll get the chocate cake too. you know, like're like, damnit But it generally works, it generally works. The moment you have a server who you think recognizes you, you should just ask them so many questions and say you're between a lot of things. It can work with the savory stuff you eat before dessert too And then they'll generally bring you everything you asked about I love this. I feel like there's a certain amount of engagement you have to do with the person too, because if you're like, oh I'm just in between these two, they might be like, oh, well, that's great. I like I're like, ah, oh, okay, but how much cinnamon is on this? Well that is spicy? That's the thing about us, Lacey, is we're performers. We have no problem going What I find so fascinating about this This scam from a and uh You know, I work in mental health like from a psychology perspective is Like you're you're almost putting this idea in their head. so it seems like they thought of it Like you're setting up. So they're thinking you' given us a canicide this in this. Oh I want to do something. Oh, I'll put it. And so they think that they came up with it when in reality you almost like put it in their mind. Right. Right, right right. Really, really interesting. It's a high level intellectual scam. Well, that's a very generous way of putting it. You could also say I'm very manipulative. That is another way of shing it. Look, it's not our fault. We're professional liars. Whatatever what we do to be good at it. But this doesn't even feel that evil. It's not like the server's losing anything. I'm sure they're asking the manager to write it off the check. We would do that kind of stuff all the time because back in the day when I worked in restaurants with really, really famous people, like I used to wait on Pul McCartney all the time, like you me. Yeah. And one time he was when the season was over, this was in the Hamptons, he was like, Lacey, you know, you're really gonna to rise up amongst the servers. And I was like, P I don't want tona be n I't wanna startve for the rest of my life though But I'm sure I've said that at some point in this podcast and years ago, but you know, like you kind of learn the vibes or whatever Yes. this is great. Also, now I want to ask something on top of it and be like, I've heard such good things about this restaurant. so Oh, I just want to make sure I order all the right things because everybody was telling me it was so good. That That's the way to do it. I feel like with all those kinds of scams, it's you got to be so complimentary. I mean, I even do that when I try and return stuff past the return date I was mming that up into a threat though, becauseuse I was like it's so good in like Afric Aican restaurants all the time. So hoping I'm hoping it's so good. Can I give another scam that I did recently just because it just came to my mind. There's a very famous cookie company in New York. and I I'm not going to say what the name of it is, but It's going to probably become pretty obvious. They're really big cookies, they look like scones. Anyway. Yeah. not so much, not too much. keep it going. Okay, keepeep it going. Right. I was in New York I tried these cookies for the first time there was a hair in one of my cookies. I messaged them on Instagram and I said, Hey, there was a hair in one of my cookies and I gave them the location of the store and And I was like, I just I know this isn't how you guys run I did exactly what you're talking about. I was like, I know you guys are such a like wonderful company. This isn't how you run your business, you know? So I just wouldn't want people to like and then I gave it and then I gave a threat. And I said, would I just wouldn't want this to get out there Like. I am likeious. I think of myself as a nice person. I still kind of can't believe I did this. And so then ' I just wanted free be a shame if somebody so wanted something like, yeah, I just don't want people to start thinking that you guys aren't that way. I didn't really specify that I would like tweet about it or anything, but I just I did mess up So then they wrote back, they were like, oh my god, we're so sorry we'd love to send you a box of free cookies. L just give us you a dress and like, you know, what flavor you want. So I think when I wrote back about the flavor, like they could tell I was too specific about the flavor. and I think they kind of caught on the like Now there really was a hair in my cookie. I wasn't making that up and it was disgusting. Did I eat around it a little bit? okay? But the point is that that that I kind of threatened like most about them. They are, you know whatever. And then and then they said they'd send me cookies and then guess what They never did it Wow See, that's messed up because you actually did the nice thing and just DM them versus getting on Twitter and taking a picture of cooie and be like, Damn, I thought this was a nice cookie place when they haar my fucking their shit all over the cook. I know. Now they're opening a store in L.A and I'm thinking about showing my Instagram exchange to them Oh yeah, just go in the store. I getes you a hair free cookie. No you deserve a hair free cookie. Well, I kind of want a whole box, but yes Vanessa actually also did another cookie scam where in New York, this is a more lighthearted scam. where We would go into like a Bodega or something A Bodega together or something and Vanessa would want cookies and I wasn't really into dessert so much, especially at that point in my life when we werere living in New York and You'd be like, Jonah, you really want a cookie. we're gonna get you this. Like basically I was trying to Jonah, you want to get three cookies? That's a lot. and they would all be for me. I feel like you do need to bring Jonah because it's kind of weird if it's just like you pop up with this DM. but you're like walking he walks in first, you're kind of scraggling behind. And then when he's ordering, you're like, o, nothing for me. Remember those DMs I had with this cookie Can't you believe we're in here and then then they'll be like, wa, wait what happened? Yeah. And then you can show it. Why invested in this, I want this to happen. I'll be your lackkey. I live in L.A. I'll come and be like, No, girl. I know your last experirence was so bad. But this was gonna be good. Yes. That's what I need. that we'll put on a about full show and we'll get lots of free cookies. And you know, another way to get free stuff, Lacey, and I don't know if this this isn't really a scam, but sometimes I'll write companies and just tell them I like your product. Y do that There's like a pickle company I really like in Massachusetts and I just wrote them in emails like I really like these pickles and they just sent me coupon for free jar pickles And then I lost it, didn't use it for a year, wrote them back and was like, I lost this coupon. It expired. 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Code godess to unlock fifteen percent off. Eclusions apply. G And speaking of positivity maybe negativity we don't know yet. It's time for what's hot and fraud. This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams in the zeitgeist or more often than not, we get a letter from you all. as always snitch on your friends, family and your enemies at scam God ispot at gmail dot comot Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Aen U so from You two Vaness Jonah, I just need a fake name. Gender doesn't matter. it's a construct. A fake name, it could be anything for this letter Um Darla Oh, I like Darla any darlles in. I know. That's why I kind of thought of it. If you're pregnant right now Consider Darla. Yeah, it does sound like that. No, now you have to tell me, if you're pregnant listening, like please name your baby what we asked. Yes. So the scam, Darla says. Big corporations are a scam and we all know it. Which ones make us get assaulted then do nothing about it, Upsside down smy face. Oh no, not y'all getting beat up. Oh Lordy. When I worked at a corporation as a manager, I had to help customers stock and everything like that. But where it gets shitty is when a customer walks in and starts stealing something, the corporation makes the manager stay with them the entire time in parentheses to see what they steal, get a good description of them and what their getaway vehicle looks like, et cetera mind the people who steal from the store because get your coin girl and f corporations. I know that's right. Also like why are they trying to make you detective Vincent? Like why do you have to doom do? Why are you doing criminal intent? No, That's not your job description Like if I went to a meeting and they were like, Hey,'s the word what do they call interviews in audition, and I was like, No, it's me because like, that's not it either. But if I went into an interview and they were like, Hey, so, you look like great management material. How are your hands? Are you a strong fighter? Like that's only the interview for a Waffle House. Yeah. but anywhere else Yeah. L's a Sephora. Like keep put a knife on me. Right feels weir feeles very weak extreme Have either of you worked in retail Yes I have and I worked and kids are us when I was in high school and we did an episode about about it. And yeah, we would have to be on the lookout for people and sometimes there would be people and I Yeah, I didn't really care but also stuff at kids RS or is it like toys RS? and they just sell toys. They sell kids clothes They' so closeed, but yeah, sometimes it would happen but it was also like very specific rules on like what you couldn't you weren't allowed to chase anyone. You weren't allowed, you know, I was also like in high school. So I didn't really it didn't happen that much at our store, but That feels like that should be a different job, right? Like Yeah Yeah. It feels like you're too cheap to hire security. Right.. Bootleg Abercrombie. Air Postal. I worked at Air Postel in college for maybe like two weeks because honey, I'm very disorganized and I'm not good at folding clothes I was just there on vibes, their personality And I remember my manager. She was like, yeah, like people come in, there's these rings, these stuff rings of people stealing. If they come in, like this is what we do. And she was like, when I worked at Rainbow, like I would chase the girls out to the parking lot and get the stuff back and I say, Miss You were risking your life for a rainbow? Yes, Yes, that's yes. I never of my life for Gucci. Yeah I definitely risk for rainbow. one hundred percent Yeah. And I worked at another place where after I left, I found out the managers were actually stealing from from the store. Yeah they had their own scam going. And so it's like, yeah, I don't know. you got what am I supposed to keep my eye on And everyone works there. you know, it's just too much. It's like, I'm trying to get for you to have to do the chasing feel And then you know The other thing about working at Kids Arts was they would check our bags every night when we left work which, you know, looking back feels like a little that's pretty likeation of privacy. Yeah So if you are stealing kids clothing, you probably need it for your kid. like let those. I don't Yeah I also I was like a sixteen year old kid with like Jinkos, like like piercings, like like the last thing I wanted was like overalls for like a six year old kid. Like I was just working there because all my friends worked there was the only place I would hire us. And if I do want baby overalls, I'm gonna stick themem in my pants. That's' getting away with it. Yeah. you think we're gonna put it in our bags, you idiots I could get up to stuff my bra with it.. I know I to steal if really want to so there's no reason to check me. But yeah, I understand this concern. I mean I get, you know, loss prevention. I get like they probably lose a lot of money the corporation, but yeah, I agree. It shouldn't be on the employees. And they have insurance and like they they specifically budget for theft. so it's really not our responsibility. And like you're saying it can be really dangerous. And so like, you know, you don want to put someone in a position where they could, you know, get hurt So Darla says, I don't mind people who steal from corporations, right? ' fuck them. But one time people were stealing and I stayed with them. I was silent the whole time. I didn't provoke them or anything. Then they physically assaulted me Yeah. We did a police report and I filed a complaint to the company about how they should lock up their highly stolen goods or even get a security guard, but surpriseed They did nothing. All they care about is what they can fit on their shelves to make a profit. Every day around the country, this company has their associates take the abuse from people stealing and no one does anything. I feel bad for anyone who works for them. Also they make like twelve dollars an hour, which is not enough So Darla, I want to say one, thank you for writing in this letter to Darla, baby girl. That was a lawsuit right there. You had You had a clean ass lawsuit. You filed a police report. you had specific instructions to follow this person around the store. You didn't provoke the situation. That's the liability of the company. I don't know how long ago this happened, but you might want to call Brian Lw Car or just drive around of your car 's get avugato girl because they on the benches, they on the u, you know, they on the billboards Just drive around spin the block in your car and get yourself obocado, get a lawyer because this is open and shut. Yes, one hundred percent. She's in the right or he Darla is in the right and should absolutely Sue if if it wasn't too long ago to do that or They have a strong case. I'm like Darlt for I'll be lawyer. I gota Annalise Keet and Bob right now. Okaykay, let's go. Yes. And Darlt, if you want to reach out to me Vanessa privately, we have a segment in our podcast called CEO Take Down. So if you want to let us know who this corporation is, we'll take down their CEO Oh, yes. But also this policy normally in retail has been revoked, but that's why they instruct us specifically not to pursue because it would be a liability on the store. So yeah, Darla, if they're still doing this to this Yes They still open for business. Oh yeah Darla, get your coins. Yeah. I mean you got to get someone to even get a razor at CVS that keep that thing locked up. You know, likeike if this is really high end stuff, they should have a system board not put the employees in danger Yes. and what do they think would happen if someone is following someone who's obviously stealing around a store Like yeah, that like I guess they think it's a deterrent, but you know that you know that that it's That's a tot. It is. And as a black person who gets followed around stores a lot, I would say it's also just fucking weird. like Yeah. like what if you're not stealing? You're just picking up small items and then they're just following you around. They do that all the time. I'm very cognizant of it. like I'll get a basket or I'll make sure my hands are free and my bag isn't close to what I'm holding. L there's so many things that we all do to avoid the harassment that comes with being black. Lalala, I'm here. Oh wow, Can't wait to purchase with monies So yeah, sorry about that, Darla, but Darl, you got a case girl. Yes on I also really want to know who what this corporation is, but maybe we can talk about it later just so I Yes, Darla, you got a snitch on them privately. won't She never said Right, that's right. Darl She never say. Darla wasn't taking no risk but I'm like, Darla, you why you startarl. You don't work there. We're really trying to get t Come on, Darla You gott to go like maybe take a little bit of time, hire a great attorney or you know see There's got to be a statute of limitations. I feel like we're good here. How much law school do you need to represent somebody? Darla, I'm trying to represent you. I feel like I could get this done. I've seen lots of law and orders Could Darla conect small claims court And then You wanted to go to Jress Judy No knows this is exactly small claims court. think that's That's right. Yeah. Be I was gonna say that you could go with her to a small claims court and be sort of not her attorney per se, but kind of her you know Oh, it wass just like horic You know I'm trying to be the attorney's l now. I know. Th I think Also, this is a small clim That's like five thousand dollars or less. I feel Darla could get the bag here. This is This is a big job for a big attorney and I think that attorney is you. like I agree, Vanessa. I hard agree. This podcast is supported by Ring. With Ring, it's protected. Keep track of packages and see more at the front door with battery doorbell. 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She owned a wildcat as a pet, smoked cigars, wore men's trousers, and carried around a pair of cult revolvers. Whether she was the first or last woman to rob a stagecast, Pearl was one of the most infamous lady criminals of and she's like a Western Legend So this is Lady Pearl Oh yes. J' sk it Baddy. And look at the pose. She was like, Yeahah, I'm Lady Pearl. How long did it take to take this photo? It was eighteen seventy one? I feel like she had to sit there for a good three hours, right? Yeah. Pro ye. This supp to Oh my God. Time a clear photo for that time of And she was like, I don't care I'll sit here like this all day because you gonna take that, take that. Yeah. I' get this pose. Yeah. I just want to really quickly say She had a wildcat as a pet, Isn't that sort of the same as having Is that the same as having Like a bobka? Yeah. L or like even like a small tiger or something. Like is it? Yeah. Why Just because she's tough How does the wildcat know not to attack? I guess It felt her energy, it felt her energy. Okayel her cabbage energy and was like, oh, no, I'll eat everybody else, but not lady. I don't know that I think the author of this made that up to make her seem tough Right. J just sprinkled it in a. Yeah because that doesn't. She also owned a lion. Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's like, we get it. You don She doesn't have to own a wildcat. sorry, I'm getting mad at the author. Okay We kidd it. You don't have anything else Now I like it. She has scissors for hands. That's a movie L Hard was born Lily Naomi Davey on april nineteenth, eighteen seventy one in the lumber community of Lindseay in Ontario, Canada. Wow, she's a badass Canadian.'re nice Also, I love when people change their names. That's the mark of a criminal for me and B father, Albert Davey, was a violent alcoholic who likely abused his wife and daughters. Neither Albert, nor his wife, Anna Dy, could read nor write. Compounded by having a household of nine children, the family struggled to make ends meet. Ooh, they couldn't read or write, but they definitely was sex and. Yeah. they knew I that nine. Oh my go Yikes. So Albert even once served fifteen days in jail for kicking An and the children out of the family home and forcing them to live on the street begging for food. Albert is a nasty man. I hatear I love how quickly Vessa forcequares to be. I mean, this one is easy. This is a lay. Yeah. but the cat thing was also like she was like, she had it Les. So Lily, along with her other siblings, resorted to petty crime for survival and were routinely housed in juvenile detention facilities. in the eighteen hundreds they had juvenile detention facilities Boy, this country this is Canada, but, you know, the world, they love some jail. They're what we gonna do. Invent fire and then a little cage to put people in next And then the wheel Right Like I feel like there should have been higher priorities at this time than like little jails, little bab jails. So Lily's brothers, including the toddler, went on minor theft sprees while Lily and her sisters worked as prostitutes. The toddler was doing thefts Okay What kind of crimes was the toddler doing Toddlers are fast. Yeah. Toddlers, they got fast. I bet I got little hands I could tell there was being helped by an older kid who was like U have you this is a great scam they could do. Have you seen my little brother? he is walking up the street and then when the person turns around, you just grab their wallet and then you go, o, whatever the brother's name is, let's say it's Timmy. Timmy, you know, let's go. I gave you a full impression of what I think they did. They didn't need It a good one. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I was thinking little baby Timmy was out on his own, just pickpacket it with his little baby hands, but that's very cartoonish. Timmy you presented works. You gota Timmy's the distraction The toddler The toddler Timmy he knows how to do his job Yeah.. And wait tntil you see what kind of nightmare he turned into or smart scam artist. Tw things can be true. Okay good. twowo things can be true Yeah. And at some point the family moved to the United States Well because I mean, if you're going to be scamming You gotta come to the Alant That was an upgrade. That's where your real work is. You know how people to move to other countries. It was like, this's just a bigger industry Yeah in Hollywood. There was a bigger scam industry in the US. scam in Canada. You gott just come to the US if you want to be a real scam artist. That's where all the garbage people live. R? You can really do some crime over here. Let Tim me go clean the fuck up, okay? We love to see it So they moved when Lily was fifteen. She tried and failed to marry a thirty six year old carpenter from New York. Well, I'm glad that that failed. Me too. Oh wait this says, though that marriage failed, so I guess they did get married. Oh my God, this is insane Or maybe though the marriage failed like the marriage attempt So though the marriage say that this writer is like not doing their best because first they throw in the wildcat they aren't gonna explain it. They're just gonna She had a wildcat. donon't worry about it. It's like, I'm gonna to worry about it. No. Mbe it comes back says the marriage failed. Did they get married or didn't they? That's not great. She tried and failed. She tried and failed to get married Is that like every breakup I've ever had? Yeah, I tried to get married to marriage failed usually means there was a marriage. they didn't know. Maybe they were getting married and then they had toddler Timmy be a distraction and then look over there and then she just took off. Right. Tim is always somehow involved. Yeah. But also like I also like your idea, Lacey that anytime you We have a breaku, you go, the marriage fails The marriage failed. I tri I was try we were both trying for marriage and it failed. Yeah. becausecause I mean, isn't that essentially what it is and you're trying for marriage. Y'all try that, getet out there and really devastate the girls and be like, My marriage failed. It's like when someone lived in like studied in a foreign country for three weeks and they talk about when they lived there. Yes. And I'm guilty of that. I was there for three and a half months right was like When I lived in London, I didn't live there. I was alive there. at the time. You lived in London and then when you left, your marriage failed Y my tempted marriage fail. Exactly. This why we need to use every single word? you know, who' time. Oh Okay, come on. The internet now theyd be using like three letters to represent three words. Oh my go. let me say about those. I've gotta always lookem up. I never know. when there's three words, I'm like what will do? Like I don't ever know I need to be cool. so I stare at it for a while in context and then I get it and then I just start using it myself like B for real and it just like BFR.. And then lots of R as if it's like, you real man.. I feel like it's the worst is when you look it up and then somethings so obvious.. you just could not figure out It's kind of devastating to be like, I didn't get it In like black languagees they're never obvious unless you're black. Really. like people don't just be saying, Beper real. R, right. So if you not beF, you'd be like, boy This Oh, be real. I got it. And then I started using it like I knew the whole time. Right this is like for fuck' sake Yeah, I would never get that. I mean, I SMH, I have looked up so many times. Now I know it's shaking my head, but I used to think it I was like, I don't know what this means. That's whatLY Now that one's a general yes. Yeah. Yeah. I love you. Yeah. If you don't know any of these out there, go start using them now, like you always knew. And then guas like your friends use them a group chat, and then we your friends like, what are you saying? be like, you don't You don't you don't get t. You're not hip You know what I mean? Now yourre hip. It would be fun to just make a bun Yeahah, to just make them up and see who can follow? Ooh, I wantanna make one up. I'm gonna try it So even though her attended marriage failed, Lily, who is our pearl heart, but we're going by her given name right now. Okay. Lily would go on to have many husbands, sometimes officially wedded, sometimes not, often under a different name Eventually, Lily and her sister, Katie ran away from home to get away from their father, which good on y'all because he was trash They cut their hair short and donned men's clothing to escape detection and attention on the road. Okay. I like it. So Lily even got her name Pearl Heart. It was from a madam that she worked under in Buffalo, New York. So this isn't even like a name she made up. She just stole somebody name. Wow, wow, wow, wow wow. Okay Okay One of them was like, Vanessa Bayer, That's such a beautiful name. And then like you see me in a few weeks, I'm like, Hey I'm Vanessa Bayer. did do that. My manager sent me an article once, God. In some other country, this woman got arrested and she said her name was Vanessa Bayer. and I don't know If it had to do, but like my managers were like, this is this weird thing that happened. It's I think it's fine. Like we talk to like your lawyer about like it's not, but it was I bet I could find it. It was so weird. It was I didn't know about that. I would like to see that. I think I must have been still on S and I was probably pretty busy when it happened and I just sort of was like, okay, if it's fine, it's fine. But Yeah, somebody did that somebody did that one. try to leave the country, your passports revoked. Yeah. I mean was It was kind of like what's going on here? Yeah, exactly. But I also it could have just been a random name that they picked. I can't remember what country it was in, but yeah. anyway, I love that for them a little bit. I mean, only it doesn't happen to you. Lacey, did you know that I have a show called I loveove That for you? Oh yes. And you I was listening to some of your other episodes and I love that you say that phrase so much Yes. It the best phrase. I love that you say that phrase. I love that I love that for you that you say that phrase Because it's really also because I'll tell you this, we really went back and forth between I love this for you and I love that for you Obviously, the one that gets used the most is I love that for you because this has to be so specific like Yeah you guys made a great choice. You made the right choice Y'all hit it. Y'all got it with that one because But and I also love I love that for you because it can genuinely mean like, oh, that's great. Let go off or it could be like, I love that for you. Yeah can be passive aggressive. Totally. tootally. I say it more like ILTFY And then Cool, Jonah That's our new one. We have to all start using it at once over and over over again until we can get everyone to conform went on to travel across the country with a variety of smaller criminals and delinquents, including Charles Dean, a streetcar brakeman by day, and a burglar by night. That sounds like I love that so much because yeah, you have a day profession and then burglary obviously is something you should be doing at night. So that's a great night job. Yes, yes And I love that they call them smaller criminals as if she's like a list criminal and they're just like I know. are they just smaller in the sense that they burglar and they don't fake their identities. It's like, who's to say, I guess Yeah What wass the little gome invasion Yes. Burgle Burgle. because I also think, well, okay, let's keep going. I've got a lot of thoughts And I want them. So she drank like the men, smoked like the men, indulged in morphine, and carried a pair of six shooter revolvers. I love indulged in morphine because at the time, I'm sure it was just like Now we know it's super terrible. Yeah, you know. Yeah for your body, but they were like, Yeahah, we would have a shot. It is funny that they were like, do you want to drink like, pass me a drink and can you give me like a little bit of morphine? Fels over here Yeah Yeah. Yeah. It's And I mean like this is not making fun of addiction at all. It's just interesting how colloquially it was thrown in there when nowadays we would take it bit like more serious hundred percent on board with this writer. Okay, go ahead. R So this writer is a fan for sure. Okay, okay, okay. Okay said I love I love what this writer said though So she, her sister, and whoever lovers they roped to being accomplices would hold up tobacco stores, steal sugar sacks, and commit mail fraud across the country I wonder what kind of maail fra they were doing Yeah, I mean opening other people's mail, you think? Right. It has to have been at this point. They were just hitting up a little stage phone. And then maybe, but the thing is I was gonna say the only real mail fraud I can think of is if you open up someone's mail and then they had gotten likeike a like a thing for a new credit card to request a new credit card and you filled it out and you got the credit card under their name and you used it. Obviously, we're in the eighteen hundreds here Oh, there's tons of mail fraud. Wh is other mail fraud you can Basically if you do anything through the mail, like if you send wire transfer information, if you like solicit people with payments or letters or anything that is connected to a scam, even if it's not the scam itself, the US postal, they really be pulling up on people and that is the reason that They end up going to jail that and wire fraud. veryy often. it's not the things that like the things that get caught with are like the smaller things. But in the eighteen hundreds, how did they do it? But I guess it's what you said, which is like They send a letter that's like, dear sir, Madam, I am requesting ever much money so that I can Yeah, it could be that or it could be stealing people's mail. Right. Just stealing people's mail. I mean that's probably the most basic one that I had a really hard time figuring out. But itm also like I feel like stealing people's mail back in the day, it's like, isn't that how people communicated with people were far away. I like, o, another letter. Yeah, that's the thing too. is like, why do you want But maybe some of the mail, maybe someone money had money in the mail Yeah Yeahoney in the. So Pearl and her sister began to become so notorious as criminals that when they would be caught, headlines such as on the warpath, the notorious Daby girls make trouble for the police hit the papers. I got to do that again because I didn't say it right. It's got to be onn the law pack The notorious Davy girls make trouble for the police. Like it's definitely not that vibe. Yes. And the newspaper spins ye Yeah U Okay, so they were known for it. Okaykay, that sounds lightly misogynistic, but I mean, the thing is is like you can be known for something in a time where there's no internet or phones or any connectivity and then the next town over, they don't know who you are at all. Right. I mean that was I mean, can you imagine if we're all pulling off scams these days, can you imagine in the eighteen hundreds the level of scams we could have gotten away with? just Yeah I mean Before the police started like sharing information across counties and like states, criminals would just do a crime in one place and then they would move. Yes. Totally Stealing mail here, G to the next state, stealing mail there. They like a fresh start. I walk fifteen blocks. M So you could be on the same street But it's in a different county or whatever, and you're stillealing mail. And mayaybe you'ught to find some cash in there. That rocks But bad for the person whoses cash it was. R, Which is why they tell you not to send cash through the mail. R So however, despite her growing celebrity, apparently all Pearl ever wanted at first was total obscurity. So I don't know belie that but ye. 'ause look at these photos. This is not the pose of someone who's like, don't look at me I've never seen a person cock their hats to the side of their head who didn't want tona be looked at. what are you saying? It's just the only thing about ye, absolutely. The only thing about, I think her clothes are really cool The thing about you that I always forget about like the eighteen hundreds is that They wore eighteen hundred style clothes for utilitarian purposes, kind of And now we want to dress like an eighteen hundredth person and wear the clothes and we're We're just being, you know, posers, I guess. Yeah, just for vibes. Like we're not gonna get out there and shuck anything. But to your point, the hat is like on a very severe angle in a way that says fashion to me, notice me and notice my fashion. Yeah, Maybe she was doing the fake humility. likeike yeall, don't look at me Yeah. Maybe she was like, okay, one more photo and then I'm going into obscurity The events of may thirtieth, eighteen ninety nine would make her one last photo I'm going into obscurity, virtually impossible. So was just like just one more. But then in may thirtieth she did some shit that really made her a stop Perl was twenty eight and working in the silver mining town of Globe, Arizona at a brothel when she received word that her mother was on her deathbed back in Kansas City. So she better be glad nobody did mail fraud to her ' it' be like another letter of something about bereavement Right So she was desperate to go back home but didn't have the means for the trip. So Pearl and her lover at the time, a former shoemaker from Chicago named Joe Boo. Come on, Joe Boo. You were born to do that. Oh my gosh. This is no one has ever been more made for their job They hatched a plan. They would hold up a stage coach So the evening of may thirtieth, eighteen ninety nine, Pearl dressed as a man, led the ambush, they robbed the driver, three passengers. They got four hundred and sixty nine dollars. This is old time money. So that's a bank. Oh, that's a lot. pistols, go watch. and on her way out, she left each passenger a dollar so they could afford lunch at their destination because she was a benevolent queen. Oh my God, you could get a full lunch for a dollar That means that that four hundred and whatever is going to be That's that's over four hundred lunches. But also that's kind of I would say a pretty classy move. I agree. I like that move. I think so too too. It's like she doesn't want to leave them without lunch. and yeah she's like, sorry, I need this money genuinely. and I have a feeling she's going to get into trouble and that bums me out. I don't want to Right Beuse she seems so nice. If I got held up and they were like, all right, but here's enough money for you to get a taxi. Yeah. I'm like, than you so much. Are you still gonna take my shoes? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was actually very thoughtful of. I like that classy move. I agree. it's a classy move All class when she robs a stage coach. So together she and Boot escaped on horseback with authorities hot on their heels in a long man hug throughout the remote high desert. They were eventually caught while sleeping and arrested before they could make it to Kansas. But luckily, Pearl's mother didn't die for another sixteen years this doctor was who was like, Yeah, talk about the real scammers doctor. Right? They're like she's going to take her last breath is sixteen years Beuse they wouldn't have robed that stage coach unless that doctor had lied. That doctor, come on You know, he was one of those leech doctors. Yeah one of those blood letting doctors. Yes. I agree. He was like, I don't know. we hit her in the head with a pillow til she stops coughing. You're a hack. Yeah. agree When Pearl was sent to jail, her fame preceded her and she was greeted by a horde of photographers and fans. So is this her mugshot? Oh yes, this is giving. Look at her looking away like mystery. Yeah. I think that she likes the attention more than she says she does because in every photo you've shown, she's like very perfectly posed Yeah. Yeah. she is. And also in the world where she's looking away, the whole point of a mug shot is so we get your mug, sis. So how are you gonna give us this like vote? No she's likey Yeah.es. I agree because almost every photo of me, one of my eyes is closed. There's always something going on. I mean, these photos are like perfectly styled style And her bang is giving like Cut it with a knife. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, I agree 'causeuse it's like fashion now. Like you would see that on a run. That's what I'm saying is. She's so fashionable. She and she kind of knows that she's rocking to look and she's like If you're taking photos anyway, I'm gonna like I don't know' an idiot O man even sent her a bobcat, which she kept as a pet until the lo met it in prison killed it in an argument. So they let her have a bobcat in prison, but's the bobcat came back. Oh my gosh. she's look I'll give her this.'s She's greater on cats wild cats And I guess this was a time in prison where you could just like you could bring up the guff or you could seemeems like cerally high maintenance to have L another living Yeah. So on commommissary you just got to put like lots of raw meat. Yeah. like I guess they were like, go ahead, like You know, just have a bob cat. Yeah here So as an apology, the lover, Ed Hogan helped Pearl cut a hole out of her jailell and escape They made it as far as hopping on a freight train to New Mexico before getting arrested again. Though Pearl was a career criminal, she upheld her own brand of feminism and beliefs in sexual liberation. att her trial for the stage coach robbery, she told the court, I shall not consent to be tried under the law in which my sex has no voice in making. I know that's right. She said, I ain't making these rules up I love me I love that it always freaks me out that we're born into this world and they're like, hereere's the rules. I'm like, ain't get Yeah I get to say nothing about that. one hundred percent. She's like, these rules weren't made for me. I'm not going to follow them. And guess what? She's right Feminist on. So they tried her anyway, becausecause basically what she was saying was like, these laws don't applly to me because wom men They' like, we don't care. Now y'all want to have equality. would. So they tried her in a way, and she was sentenced to five years in prison. She served as the only female resident among two hundred sixty prisoners at the infamousa teritorial prison. I know, locally known as repulsive Hell Hole. Oh no. This is so not fair. Yeah. Also, you can't even just make me my own private prison since yes y'all have Look they were making those juvenile when were we talking about that? Might, they made the baby j M in jail just for her so she doesn't get harassed by all these guys. I hate that. I hate she had to be in there with them Although maybe she was scamming them the whole time. They were scared of her, who knows. Maybe. I mean, she did chilly own a bobcat. so she's about that life. So despite its rough conditions, Yuma turned out to be a turning point for Pearl. She weaned herself off morphine, became a talented seamstress, and even made early parole in nineteen oh two, though likely due to a smallpox outbreak in the prison and a fake pregnancy. I' know that's why you better fake a pregn I don't know I my m gonna figure it out because they're, you know, come on Now, who's gonna figure that out, Joe Boot He's Joe Bot, not Joe Baby okay? He don't know nothing about that I was about' shoes.ight So in prison, Pearl also learned how to read, write and compose poetry. Oh, and we have an artist rendering a pearl in prison from Beautiful. Oh. Okay, Pearl, I love Pearl. I do too. Honestly, if Pearl was alive today, I think we would It would be so fun if you could be like and here and now we have a very special guests joining us and it was Pearl. We'd all be honored Yes. We truly would. If we take her to the new cookie shop in LA. Yeah stick it up for us. She'd stick it up for us get all the cookies You know, orr at least she'd like scam them into giving us them, even if Y. She would leave the cookies behind for the other patrons. She would try a famous cookies. She would say, I'm not going to tell you why, but you have to give me all the cookies now, but you can say four for your lunch each of you for lunch. You know how we eat cookies for lunch So meanwhile, her sister, Katie found her own success in the arts and wrote a play about Pearl called The Arizona Female Bandit. After Pearl was released, she couldn't hide from the number of reporters and desate were like desperate for interviews, including a number of newly established magazines Cosmopolitan. Wow, I know cosmopolitan was that old. So the woman from a rough background in an even rougher home rose to folklore level and a notoriety. Everybody was loving her. She was free spirit. L we love her. We love her right now. Yes So when a cosmo journalist sat down with her, instead of Pearl like being ostentatious, loud, ruffian that this person was expecting, she was met by a polite well spoken woman dressed in man' shirt and suspenders, ready to share her story. I love that Parl Daddy. Oh, look at her here. Oh yes Pearl Pearl's legacy is that she told a number of tales to reporters that mix lies with reality over the years. So maybe the Bobcat, you were right, Vanessa. Maybe the Bobcat didn't.ate Yeah She was just like, lim for fun. I love that for her And we don't really know a lot about her early life or her life after prison, but all the stuff that we recounted here, right? But yeah, she was the Lady bandit and she was popping. and I love Pearl I think we all love Pearl. and I think the moment that really cemented her in our hearts is when she gave She's robbed that stage coach and then she gave everyone a dollar for lunch. It's like. That's being a class act while still scamming people Um I think that's really, you know, and also she just wanted the money so she could go see her mom. If this piece of honestly I don't know if we're allowed to swear on here. Oh yeah, you ha heard me this whole time This be some crap I was m. This isie a crap doctor wasn't giving back it's like it's always comes back to these dumb men. Sorry. Sorry 'cause if the doctor had gave a good prognosis, I mean, it was timey medicine, he was just going on vibes