The Florida Romance Scam

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Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Sam goddess vault. That's right. Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from Behind the Paywall and as always Stay scheming. Whatus poping Conggregation Its your girl, Lacey Moseley, AKA sccam God is back with another installment of the podcast scam Goddess all about robbers, con RTs, people who practice scams. Sometimes we loveem, sometimes we hateem and par of social girlies out there. we' my blues clues girlies. Yes! I'm very Yes, I'm very excited. I love you guys and welcome new people. All right No, I'm extremely excited. Yall don't even understand. We have a legend, okay? I don't even know how we scammed her and got her time like this, but shout out, shout out to the team. Okay? Today we have an amazing standup comedian and author Ress on the show. She is a regular panelist on NPR's news comedy quiz show, Wait Wait D't tellell me, which I've done quite a few times. This is the Qeen Victoria of Stup. You can listen to her podcast. Nobody listens to Paula Poundstone And you can check out her standup comedy tour in a city near you honey because she'd be out here in these streets, honey. Back in the day, she would get on the ground and do all the mics everywhere. and that's just my own personal I'll be stalking Paula. But you can check out her standup comedy tour. Go to Paulaoundstone dot com for more information, congregation, please welcome Paula Poundstone to the show. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Thank you for being here, quQueen. I'm really truly elated to have you on this show. This is really dope You know, I realiz as I'm watching you talk into the microphone, I' like, she doesn't need me. I can see that you sort of imagine the audience that you're talking to There's a very close feeling, I feel between you and the audience who was not in the room So I feelelt like I'm interrupting a little bit. No, interrupt. all you want and it's not interrupting.'s you're going to make me cry. Oh my Godd. I put in just a teensh bit of like the stocking that I've done about you over. You did used to ride the Greyhound all around the country.. You could buy a thing called Amererapas for thirty days, you'd go anywhere you wanted You know, it was like a blank ticket book so you could write anywhere you wanted for thirty days. And I used to live on the Greyhome bus back in the day. You was really touring. and I your SNO stand upp episode was Robin Williams. I just you You're the goat. So I'm just I'm so excited to have you here. We always ask our guests on this show, like what is your relationship with S scamps?ike Do do you love them? Do you hate them? Have anyone ever tried? I mean, I can't imagine being on a Greyhound bus. You know, that was back when the Greyhound wasn't at sketch.? Oh, it was so much. I mean, I haven't, I don't know that I've ridden a Greyhound in a while Okay, I'm gonna tell you a gross, I'm gonna to tell you a really gross Greyhound bus story. Okay. It was not a scam so much it was Harassment. So I was I think nineteen years old. I was very shy. Yeah. I still am, but I was really shy then. So you know, when you're on a Greyhound bus, you don't own both the seats, right? The seat that you paid for. Somebody wants to come sit down beside you, you move your junk and they sit down beside you. So this guy sits down beside me, and I'm the kind of person I can talk to the other passengers a little bit. Oh, you're better than me. Small talk, like I'll literally die. I hate talking about the weather. L kill say, you know, hello, whereere you going? right? Oh someome people you engage with more than others. I forget what it was about this guy that kind of suggested to me, maybe I don't really want to chat, you know, when I was reading and writing and looking out the window and sleeping So anyways, he sits down beside me and he's wearing overalls. time that was like a fashion. But that was a statement, please. Yeah. It was giving. Yeah. So at some point, I think he recognizes like how sort of I don't know. whatever He slipped his hands Inside hands, multiple hands. bothoth hands inside. his overalls Okay. Right. And that's a deep dive because overall this means you got pants up to your neck. Yeah. So you got to go in the neck. Yeah, But the top part is just a bib. So you can go in the side. right. Okay I don't think I need to describe to you what he was doing at that point. And I'm so like Shocked. and embarrassed and I'm like And there is no way in hell I'm gonna to tell somebody that he's doing this because I'll feel too embarrassed to say the words. I'm nineteen. I was a baby. So I do at some point say like that I needed to get out And I walk up to the driver because I know he like he would He'd freak out if he knew that. So I walk up to the driver And I lean my head down to the driver and I say, Where's our next stop and the driver because I whispered my question He whispers his answer So has no idea what exchange we just had. and he assumes that it's about him ddl in his mants. Exactly. Okay. When I go back he's moved I love that It was pretty, you know, think back on I'm like, all right, that was I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but that was pretty damn clever. A He didn't have the awareness not to realize that he shouldn't be, you know Oh he did. Heed away. He was trying to get under my skin. you know, He was just doing something to get attention and to get, you know, and to him, it was going to be more glorious If you know, I was forced to so I just whatever. And that was he was still on the bus and I still saw him every time there was a stop where people Where were you got? How long tri? I can't remember anymore. was It must have been a long trip if they were all Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. was it was Anyways, that was my So but my relationship with scam, that was just my relationship with Gross A am I rel? And now I'm wondering about the overall it's like he was like, I'm a weard this neckpant so people can't really tell. I dont know if it was like, yeah, part of his Yeah Be if somebody walks over and they're like, sir, what are you doing with your genitalia? He could like slide his hand up the neck pants and be like, I'm scratching my chest. You know, he's like you can. He can move around more than if you in pants to hit at the waist and everyone right prractical use You heard it here first neck pants overall off people public masturbates. like a peopleeople still do on a farm sometometimes, don't they? everyvery now and then you'll see you if all McDonald really fucked up for farmers. Like what if farmers dress like hipsters in Brooklyn? And they're like, we actually give fashion. and all the girls think wear straw hats and wear overalls because of one bad marketing campaign Well, you know, they haven't really been able to force a gingam on the rest of the world. You know, gingam, the little the the white and red. Yeah, that really type of fit. Right, exactly. exxcept for smaller you. I mean we bring you back out for my birthday fourth of Juac. That's the fourth of July we don't need to celebrate America. I celebrate me. Is your birthday really the fourth fourth Ju? That's all I'm going to celebrate from now on. because I don't care that much about the fourth No, I mean, what is it even really? But wait, so you were saying your relationship was scams. Okay. show I have been scammed before. Oh, tell me because I've been scammed a lot even recently. so we there's no shame. I was And you do feel ashamed, by the way when it happens. Is isn't that weird? And that's what we're trying to get rid of because we want people to share the w that they've been scammed. so that other people so many ways now that you know, who they get do every day. That's a thing. Yeah. mightight have been eighteen years old. I was workking in a restaurant in Boston And this woman comes in with a kid. And she does this con thing where and the kids like two years old very distracting. kids banging on. I wasn't a part of this I just saw it happen. She takes out She tells the cashier she needs two tens. When the cashier gives her the two tens, she now takes out a dime and says now I need two nickels for this dime. The cashier goes to do that. She takes the two tws She hides them away, I mean, the two tens, excuse me, hides them away and lays out two ones. And when the cashier looks up again after doing the two nickels, she says, what did you give me these two ones for Now, you know, in restaurants, the girl the woman on the cash register gets stuck for that You know, Eactly. so You know, it was a bad thing, about I worked in restaurants.. you know If your drawer short, then you got to just fill it out. And you normally will even fill out your drawer if it's short without telling management because you don't want to lose your job. So yeah, you like, I got to And you know, we're making, you know, something slightly over nothing per hour. All right, so I saw this happen So now On my way to work one morning and I stop off at the Dunkin Donuts on Boyleston. As I'm waiting in line The same woman is in front of me I didn't recognize it right away, but then I see her do this same thing. So you know, she go always two ones, two whatever., what'd you give me these two ones for? And I stood right there and watched her. And I had this idea in my head. I'm from a small suburban town in Massachusetts. I had this idea in my head that the minute she was foiled She would somehow run away Yes, you know it happened. Well, didn't happen this time. She She I said, she didn't give you two ones. She gave you two tens And the woman earned and went off on me and She said she was gonna drag me outside and beat the crap out of me.' funny is? It's not like I can't R or or you know, all of a sudden I was just frozen because I just thought that's exactly what's gonna happen now. And so the the so you thought when you told that, oh, this is a scam, she was going to just run out of the do. She was like, I'm a bitchiller. suddenly I was a woman from Dunkin' Donuts grabs me over the counter because she thought I was going to be dragged outside too So she grabs my arm. And she says, No, you're not gonna do that. Now I only have one arm to defend myself. Listen, America runs on Duncin. they're like the waffle house of coffee. Everybody at Duncan knows how to fight, just like how everybody at Spirit Airlines knows how to fight. They teach that in the train They actually do before off flight attendants teach you how to do a basic self defense and like you have to restrain people sometimes in the air. But is you have to do it with office supplies. You have to do with duct tape. I can't even I can't even duct tape So she grabbed you to help you, but she was trying to help with just one arm. It's not like I would have hit anybody anyways, but I was defeflecting her blows with one arm. And she finally Oh she did hit you over and over again And then and then she went to the door. She kept saying, we're going to call the police.'re And I'm thinking to myself, go ahead, go ahead, call the police now. She made it to the door and I'm like, h, I think I started to cry then, which just is not humiliating. And then she ran back Do me? ran out again. And now one more for the row. You know what I said afterwards? I said. Can I get a jelly donut Chocolate hutty Caze, please And then I sat down at a counter. Did they make you pay for? Yeah, they did. Oh, that's fucked though. That should have been for free now, Damn, you' have helped them with a scam. They're gonna charge you. Yeah. That's why you got to start fighting the dunkin lady. Yeah. That was I should have come back with you gotta dunk the dunkin. there I was not personersonally scammed, I was abused, but I did recognize a scamm. Now stop it there. Now Paula I hate to do this. I hate to do this, Paula, but I'm low key a little bit on that ladys side. Are you?? Just ' Dunin is a big company and she's scamming them. like she's not hurting nobody with Oh no. But it was this. It was this like you organiz this to the bus pan. This is in the old days when they made them wear these kind of pink sack dresses W with aprons. Okay, that was going tovice Stuck from that You're thinking from a service perspective, which I do too, which is why I overtip for everything I've worked in service for so many years is that like that woman's drawer was going to be short. A she might have been out of a job. So I understand where you' coming from. I take it back. You was like home girl's draer is going to be short I was fighting for justice. Yeah. Yeah, you were trying to help homeomegirl who worked there. okay for her a little bit of money an hour and not to lose her job. So I absolutely understand. Damn, though, she messed you up holding you 't hold me though, and then I'm getting squabbled on. and then you go charge me for the jelly donut. Now she messed up there. She doesn't turn the favor.. See, And that's why I don't help corporations. ' she still stood in the gap for the corporation because since I helped you and I have a short drawer and you over here holding me back while somebody is pummeling me And so you were doing it for the community and that now, no. she messed up 'use she should have gave you that free jelly donoughnut. It should' have been free coffee. I'll tell you something, I'm going back. Dunie Donuts, if you hear us right now, want sponsor the show, So y'all old Paulaon, Y'all old paulapon donone, a jelly donoughnut and a coffee at the very least, okay, because y'allaze a jelly doughut and chocolate honey glaze. Oh, chocolate honey glaze. Get it right. I can make that. And even if it's discontinued, you better continue it Okay, get it right. S This episode is brought to you by SoOFI, the all in one finance app where you can bank, borrow, and invest. 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And somebody really understood that today. I just need a fake name from you, Paulo. like it could be we don't care about gender here. so any name. Angelina. Angelina, Oh, yes like Angelina. So Angelina says, skip to the bottom for your flowers. This is a long one, so we're just diving right on it and Angelina, you've been listen to the podcast 'cause you know how it goes So I picked this It's a little ated but there's still like a little bit of a scam that can still be run. so I just wanted to let y'all know about it, right? So it says Angelina says, you might have actually come across this scam before, but there used to be a widely utilized review buying system that anyone selling something on Amazon could use to artificially boost reviews on their products It wouldn't be advertised directly on Amazon, but rather through a variety of a thousand percent shady websites across webs like Ay Z Review Trader and if it's like AMZ Review trader, if y'all want to know Elite Dal Club, I love to review snag shhout and many of these names. Snagshoutes pornographic for me for some reason. Snaghout and many other mostly defunct sites now Essentially all that you had to do was find an item on one of these websites that you wanted and then request a discount code as well as give them a link to your public Amazon profile so that they could see your review history. So if you leave a lot of reviews, which say appreciate reviews. I don't do reviews often, but when I go on Amazon or any other popular website and give, you know, Kuball head Jeff Bzel's my money, which I shouldn't be doing, I try not to I try not to. I try not to order it from Amazon because a lot of times, if you go on Amazon, the price is higher than if you actually click on who's selling it and then go to the real website where they sell it from. So you can find something on Amazon because it's quick and then go to the real website and get it cheaper But my neighbors and I, because he owns Whole food, my neighbors and I went in on a strawberry last summer That's how it one strawberry. ye Yeah. ye And it happen y'all eat it. Yeah y'all cut it up? was the situation?. It's strawberry ceremony. It call the Straberry Festival. Yeah. I' very expensive. It's very expensive. And what more does he need? honestly, right? Also like the workers, like, if I know people are peeing in powerower raid bottles I'm like, I don't wanna do two day shipping so the child can be stressed. I feel like that too. Yeah. Yeah. But Amazon does have all the things, all the things So If you're a reviewer on Amazon, I do appreciate you because sometimes they be posted pictures. they'll post a picture in the outfit, they'll post a picture of the table once they built it. and it gives you like a little bit of scale to how big it is and they' Well that' helpful. I worry about the review things because I feel like people can just Wouldn't you just get your friends to say good things about? Yeah, orr they trick people by sending the product to people's houses who didn't order it and then making reviews for them. They do that too. So there's a lot of different little scams that people on Amazon do to get their rating up. 'ause if your Amazon review rating is higher, you pop up in the feed higher, which means you get more legitimate orders than other companies for the same product So there's reasons why they're doing this and giving these discounts So Angelina says the discounts were anywhere between ten percent and one hundred percent off. Free. Okay, yes, I said free. Angelina The company is giving one hundred percent off discounts. But think about it. you give one hundred percent off and then people give reviews. You get ten reviews, right? You sacrifice the profit for ten products, that boost that boost your algorithm and then you get probably way more people buying it legitimately like legitimately because they saw it from the reviews Oh o. Yeah. And like Amazon makes it to where the company can't really falsify reviews that much. So they need people to do like quote unquote legitimate reviews So they said Angelina says and they had everything you could want if you got to that request button before someone else did. The deal was that they would give you this discount and then you would leave your honest in quotes review for the product you received. Hence why they wanted to see your public profile so that they knew they would at least get something in return for giving you the discount This, of course, was the corporate scam being run to artificially in excuse inflate product ratings on Amazon so that they had a higher chance to get people outside of the scam country yet to spend real money They even tried to make it look legitimate by requiring you to put a disclaimer in your review that you received it at a discount, but it was still an honest review. So they were like, tell the girls a little bit that we liy in. So there's a scch So here's where my own semi scam comes in. This is so over my head, I can't even tell you. Really like I'm hanging on your every word because I'm like, you know, I do this thing where I go into stores. product that I would like to have and I have enough money in my pocket to purchase it. And I bring it to the cash register. I don't do self checkout And And I say, Hi, how are you? And then the person chat with me, I purchased my thing. I leave. I don't, for the most part, show up online and do all this stuff. Wellll, you're not doing online robbery You got to get have robberies. Yeah, I haven't.. What is I know in Florida, they've had some bank robberies where at the drive up window where they use the tube They drive through bank robbery? Yeah, they put the gun. I have not heard about drive through banky The gun in the to? No. Yeah. and then And there's actually been some shootings as well where the cashier, the banker Use the gun shot themselves No. Well because they followed instructions on the note I'm not gonna listen to that kind of note. You send me a note talking about shoot me. I not you send a gun, I'm not. send a gun I'm shoot out the window. There sure followers in those banks. Yeah. It's a Florida gun all. That'ss Florida cl that gives me very Florida So Angelina says, here's where my own semi scam comes in. When I started doing these kinds of reviews on Amazon, I had already been using an app that lets you scan your receipts to accrue points that can be redeemed as gift cards to actual stores like Target, Walmart, iTunes, et cetera. Not too long after, I started to notice that because it was processed like any other regular order, Amazon would still include a paper receipt for these products I was getting, even though no charge had actually been made to my card. he's upload Angelinine is uploading receipts that are no charge, but it's still a receipt. And obviously they're using algorithms and machines, so they can't tell that it's no charge. So Angelina is still getting points. Oh because you have to have a receipt for it. Yeah to get the points. I love this. So since the receipt scanning apps are just aggregating my data and selling it for massive profit, I decided to start scamming them right back and upload these zero dollars receipts from Amazon. Got it. I was making out like a damn bandit, Lacey, Angelina says. I was getting things like French presses, memory foam pillows, Bluetooth speakers, phone screen protectors, ceramic kitchen knives, foam rollers, and much more on a regular basis and flipping those receipts into gift cards and stacking the profit Wow You realize the hole in the system. That's what scammers do Yeah. And you were saying that earlier, like how scams have evolved. they have. like scammers are always like, o, okay, we got computers now. Okay, let's scam on the computer. Okay okay, y'all got wiifi, we scamming on the wiifi. you know, like anything. they're going to figure out a way Yeah. So you used just be door to door. am It just, you know. You have to walk in the heat. Yeah. L little fuller brush manan kind of stuff where, you know, you thought it was bore hair, but it turned out it was made with another kind of hair and that was a big scam. That was honest living. We had a scam door to door. we had too young to have ever seen a fuller br. Hello I'm here to rob you Hello your mama home?oses where the day. He' try to rob us. So much easier Truly I remember the Avon ladies to come to my grandmama house all the time Yeah. We bought products. We she. I didn't have no money. Yeah. Avon Yeahah. Yeah. Avon calling. So it got to the point where I would start giving things to friends and family or even as raaffle prizes to the staff that I supervised as morale boosters. However, this all came crashing down in twenty sixteen when a guy named Tommy Noonan dam Angela, you go name Tommy like Who's Tommy Nonan? He created review meta and to the great shock and surprise of nobody found that those reviews were almost always biased. For a while, nothing really changed, but eventually this whole review meta thing picked up enough stam across Reddit, Twitter and other social media, and we're going to get into social media later G social media is out and the scammers heavy these days. So Amazon had to essentially ban the product discount review and quotes from their platform. So around that same time, the receipt ads also stopped accepting receipts that had a total of zero dollars. So my bag was all the way fucked up. I'm so sorry, Angelina, because you were really scamming good. This is a good scam Oh ethical, fair, technically legal. I'm into it. Yeah, what is BarbacQuit say lawful but awful? Yeah sometimes sometimes. But I mightm not even go say awful, but I like the rybe. laawful but awful. Yeah. I'm gonna steal that Pul do That'sine. Y'all rememember that different. I said it Remember that different. Remember how I said that? See, I'm guessing y' y'all remember how I said that? Yeah yall do. Absolutely. That was gorgeous. So yes,a, o see, I love you. I love you. So Angelina says, I'm out of the game now, but the last I heard is that you have to fully buy the product on your own, give a favorable review, and then the company will send you a full or partial reimbursement Take a look at the reviews on Amazon for any item you're interested in that isn't from a major or well known brand, and it won't take you long to see that the reviews are clearly fake and or paid for they tell you, okay, if I buy something and I don't like it and I write like, boy, this you know, this water bottle, you know, it smells, it's not good, right Then they're not going to send me the Exactly Therefore, it's still not an honest review. I knew the review thing wasn't But that's why it's biased because if you get something for free ne thing I always say if it's free is for me. So if it's free, I'm looking at it more favorably automatically because I didn't expend any resources to get it. So I'm like, oh yeah, this water bottle smells like paint chips The water cold. So you would still Yeah it would still do them. It made Dani taste like smart water. but who would want An additional product that you didn't like anyways, I guess that's part of that. Some people like stuff. And free stuff. A lot of people like free stuff 'ause's why companies get away with like, they'll give you gifts at the holidays and then there'll be like a branded lunchbox or something. I'm like I don't want a branded lunchbox. justust give me the money you pay for this damn lunch boox. Give me a bonus. I don't want this man, I feel awful because a minute ago I don't know if you saw me on my phone, but I was ordering you and noobbody listens to Paa Poundsone lunchbox Wait, but I want that though. But I want that. That's a flex. So they'd be like, you know Paula Poundstone? and I'm be like, yes, H mean, Yes, I do. That's a fleag. That in a dime. And one dime and then you'd be like, I actually sent you twenty five dollars so many you should send that back. Yes. So they used to say that in a dime will get your cup of coffee But nowadays it's that and ten dollars. We'll get you a cup of coffee. So PS, Angelina says it's allegedly allegedly. I also heard whispers that review met itself is a scam, but you didn't hear that from me. We didn't hear that from you, Angelina. We didn't hear that from you. I was the one who originally said lawful but awful. But she certainly did not say What was it Meta Meta review Review meta. Reviewiew meta. Yeah. It's for it.. So I will say y'all the reason I wanted to read this one. I know it's a little complicated is that it sounds like you go on it's just like monopoly rules I like that because I don't think I've ever played Monopoly with I'm black. We don't follow the rules we make our own rules. Yeah. We make our own rules for Uno. We make our rules for mononopoly andules the know. The rule to Uo is if you have a kid, you can never stop playing it. That's the rule to Uno. It's a game that goes on for forever. But Monopoly goes on forever too, and Monopoly was created by a woman stolen by men It was about the awfulness of capitalism. And that's why nobody ever gets through a game of monopoly without fighting each other. I have a scarf from my cousin Jerermonica stabbing me during mononopoly. Who did? My cousin Jermonica? Jeronica I love you, Jermonica. Yeah, I'm sure it's an accident, Jermonica Listen. Mop treaserous is capitalism. Which which play piece did she stab you with? Was it the dog, the symbol? Was it in the old days? What one? purpose? I feel like you could probably get something off with the car. There used to be a cannon. could have been have the candid. I was always the car. I wanted to be the car. Yeah. Yeah. but that was not There wass no sharp edges there. So it had to Jermonica, what a great name. Yes, truly, and she's a great person. You could still be a cool person to do like one little stab. Yeah. Well, you know what? It was right when she landed on Bard Park. just went O. I've never seen her like that before Never seen Jermonica like that before. 'ause when you bu a bought of property, honey, the girls will be mad at you and that's just the rules of the game. I'm not mad at it. B me It's my first day of work and I need to make a big impression. From executive producer Mindy Kaylin. This is our sexual harassment training. Scamanss after your corkers. Now sign this saying that I trained you or you're fired? Yes, m'am workork relationships are too messy. I just met the woman of my dreams. You gotta chill out and not come on too strong. That goes against my entire personality, but I'll try Watch N suuitable for work now streaming on Hulu and fu on Disney pllus for Bundle subscribers. Terms apply. When you're craving something extra delicious, extra saucy and extra, extra, there's Apple Bees all you can eat. 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Upront payment of forty five dollars for three month plan, equivalent to fifteenllars per month required, introate for three months only, then full price plan options available. taxes and fees extra, Cfal terms at mintmobile. com ! Whoa, that was a great break. Okay, we're back I'm gonna let that be the intro, Paula 'cause that was amazing. And now we're back and it's time for historic Hoodwings. This is where we talk about a crime capper group of criminals, maybe is lone wolf. And maybe we like them, maybe we hate them. I do want to do a content warning at the top of this. There are mentions of suicide and self harm. So just so you know if, you know, that might be a problem, which we understand So today we're talking about Susan Mesin pendent romance novelist who was thought to have died in twenty twenty to the grief of her large fan community. But in twenty twenty two, the romance novel world was once again shocked when she miraculously came back from the dead. Oh man. Now you're probably too young to have ever seen Hush, hush, Sweet Charlte. What was that? It It was a scary movie back then with Betty Davis, Joseph Cotton, and I'll think of the other actors later Okay, so Betty Davis thinks that she's killed someone, but she didn't, as it turns out, she didn't really, but she thought she did. And the guy is part of a torments her and she had like rolled him off into a lake or something and he comes back And he walks up the stairs and he's got like muddy shoes and leaves stuck to him. that's This she miraculously, she dug herself out of the grave and miraculously reappeared Yes. Yeah to life. Yeah side right now because I know when you fake die, probably sells more books. They're like, this is the last book we're gonna get. so Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they I mean, clearly there's like a mental health problem there somewhere. Yeah, faith's dying is really a sign. It's a red flag. Yeah. It wrong.. When you're like, I'm gonna fake my death, you should probably look into your life and see why you want to do that. So Susan, tyven is an author of fourteen romance novels and the head of a large online fan community on Facebook called The Ward in reference to a psychiatric Ward.. Well, right. She told us up top. Yeah. Okay, and then we look at her picture and it's giving It's giving mental illness. And listen, I have mental illness, okay? So that's no shade. I have my own mental illnesses, okay? I have anxiety, depression. so I understand mental illness. and she's giving that photo's giving mental. And that's okay. Yeah. Is it Now that's her birthday. that photo circulate, is that the? Yeah It looks like a photo she meant to share with people. Wow. Beause look, it's got even got the portrait mode kind of fuzzy background. Yeah. I think it her in the forefront and her face is kind of like giving like, hm. Yeah. It's not a happy face. No, it's not a happy face. Although if she were smiling, it would be. I mean, it's just it could be, you know, you can't draw too many conclusions. I mean her haircut is giving great clips. It's not the Mona Lisa. N but honestly is it Monis mayaybe the oppe. It's like there's like a A little No No. I don't know, it shouldn not haveysy anyyway.all hear that No That' not Mona Lisa. That's o, American hereritage, the one by Grant Wood with the with the farmer with the overall by the overall the neckpan The neckpand. Yeah, that's the one where no matter where you stand, he's looking at you All right at me. So all right, so she was a romance novelist, which by the way, I take tissue with right off the bat. But she was a romance novelist. whyy do you say isue? I just it I used to work in a bookstore when I was young and it's just a genre. It's a very horned up genre. There's just something about it that's just stupid. u The covers are all the same. It's all, you know, it's all like an overly buffed man with super long hair. That's one in the wind. Well, actually that's relatively new in my life. It was in the old days, it wasn't so much the m it was, you know, always like a buxsom woman. Although I don't, you know, given that it's largely women that were purchasing those books, I don't know why they wanted to read this story ever Lge breasted woman. but because a large breasted women be having adventures. Yeah. and I want to know what their weird them titties are going. want I want to go with them. okay? I want to be their bra, their brazer and go on the adventures as well. I just, you know, there's so much But I'm the slowest reader in the world I'm very like sometimes I fantasize about going to college and I'm like, it wouldn't work I wouldn't be able to get through one book. Like always. I was a slow reader and I went to college. I did run a lot of scams in college where I pretended to be a poor at risk youth on scholarship. I was' on scholarship, but it was academic. but I would come in sweatpants and I'd be like, please, can y'all give me the answers to this exam? 'cause I got the whole family on my back and we trying to save the community center. And that was not my life at all. I grew up in the suburbs and my family was affluent. But I was like, I knew that everyone just assumed because I'm dark skinred and black that I was running track and and needed to get the community center What was the upside of that if they did give you the? They gave me the answers. And I the past business courses that I had no business past and like operations So and then and then what And then I got my degree. And now you and George Santos have? I wasn't as good as George Santos. He lied and very extravagantly. We just did an episode about him not too long ago.. He's a fun one. Y'all see him in drag, Bgin that he wasn't in drag. We didn't have that in the episode, but that was very fun. Yeah. He was like, that's not me. whoo is that? we're like girl We know that's you. And then other drag performers were like, Girl, you stole my week. They like came in and it was amazing. So in september twenty twenty, it was announced in a Facebook post made to the ward that was the Facebook group that O girl Susan managed that Susan had taken her own life in part due to the bullying that she received from fellow authors. So she was like the other authoreresses are dragging me and it's time for me to hop off the planet. So was there any evidence of this bullying, by the way I mean It doesn't seem like it. I mean, because don't I can't imagine like some great author D Dieevsky or, you know Mark Twainbody take Oh Mark Twain T a minute before Quin like Mark Twain ran so Quint you know, Quin Tarantino could fly with just putting as many N words in a book as possible. I can't imagine That like a taking the time to this This People have their communities and sometimes they're niche. So maybe in the niche writer amidst the other like so the other authors that are writing stuff like breasts of rage. And And they werere also like, fuck Susan. Susan Michan in her trash ass romance book. Yeah, Long Beach longing, that kind of st. She said they made love in the ocean. Everybody knows that you can't really have sex in water. Like you, we don't know, but she said they were dragging me and so I had to leave So it concluded, author Susan Michan left this world behind Tuesday night for bigger and better things. Please leave us alone. We have no desire in this messed up industry. Please leave us alone. Normally I guess this is before the time where everyone would say, please respect our privacy. It was just please leave us alone be like, please respect our privy during this difficult time. and by the way, does anyone ever know? No. no. But you know they're not going to say. It is. It's like maybe some people will respect your privacy because you said so. L they were going to leave a comment. they were like, o, they said respect our privacy. Yeah de back upp backackspace, backpace, back space. But a lot of people are not gonna respect your privacy. But I love, please leave us alone. And I want to bring that back. Everybody just start saying, please leave us alone. wait, this was after the death Yes, this is when she quote unquote, died. But on january second, twenty twenty three, Susan came back to life just like Jesus. Aen and once again set the romance novel community aflame. Yes. So what really happened? In a post on the still active The Ward Facebook group, newly resurrected Susan said This is are her words. I debated on how to do this a million times and still not sure if it's right or not. There's going to be a Susan, let me help you. It's not you called me first. I couldt You call Pula Pasts.. Don't do it. Hey, hey, hey Paula I think it would be it's me Susan. from the romance books. Oh my God.. so sexual. I loved f. The biggest titties. that was The biggest titties you've ever seen going on, the biggest adventures you ever wanted. Oh It' so good to talk. Yeah, so I retired the titties by saying that I had died. What? Can I tell the girls that I'm back to life Oh, I wish you'd called me before you said you were 'cause you're not dead. This is not this is what are you the third? I'm not dead 'use' on the phone. You're the third ghost. Okay was dead though What if I tell everybody I thought I was theread? You think that'll work? It's not gonna work. I think you need witness protection. Okay.acebook. I'm gonna do a Facebook post. Yeah. Bad idea. That's the best way to come back into the earth is Facebook. Susan don't. Susan don't do You agree. How about write under another name? Let me read you the rest of the letter that I'm saying' Facebook There's gonna be tons of questions. Yes, Susan, they're willing. And a lot of people leaving the group, I'd guess. Now not Susan, why are you trying to retain your audience. Look up. a lot of people leaving the group, Yes, Susan. Yeah. But my family did what they thought was best for me and I can't fault them for it. So now you blame me your family saying that they killed you off. Okay My family ain't never tried to kill me off without my knowledge. Yeah. I feel like that would be a group chat discussion at least. So' not big responsibility take. Yeah, she ain't taken none so far So she says, I almost died again at my own hand and they had to go through all that hell again. It says returning to the ward, which is the Facebook group, doesn't mean much, but I am in a good place now and I am hoping to write again, let the fun begin. That is the last part of this quote, let the fun begin. of us Begin having fun until Susan tells us to pretty much the keeper of the fun. She opens the gate for the fun U I mean, I won't lie though. L if I was in a baseball g ever thought about doing this right? Scam goddess Did't she mention. She mentioned depression and anxiety earlier and then she had me on and I may have shoved her over this scam goddess. Polly, you gotta announce it, though. Yeah so it could be real. And then a couple weeks later. And there's nothing fun about this in the real sense of it, but someone pretending to do it and then coming back with the most insane explanation that gives no explanation that family the responsibility not to any specific family member, just to her family in general. And she' like Gall, so let's turn up. They tried to kill your favor bitch, but I'm backad. Like Susan, you got audacity and I love that for you Yeah. So in response to the news, fellow author Samantha A. Cole confronted Susan in the comments of her post asking whether her death had been a hoax. Now Samantha, you already know her death is a hoax because the death happened and then she came back and was like, JK, so it's a hoax. So this is what Samantha says Looks like a DM She said, What is going on?Qion mark question mark? And Susan says, nothing. I simply want my life back. My family was in a bad place and did what they thought was best for me. So she blamed it on her family and she saidays she want her life back AKA like She not did no moreore. They did what What is it that they did They they said she was dead. Right, But did they did they or did she? Yeah. I think. She was like, I want my life back. I like Susan's blaming grandma And it's like, girl. Now listen, did I kill off some already dead family members in college so I could get later deadlines on essays? Absolutely. We all did. But was different I didn't go to college. I didn't realize that that was an important part of it. It's a fundamental part to get essay deadlines. So far sometimes they make you produce the like Obituary. Really?. S of the. Your college education is sounding a little bit like George Santos's college education. Okay, How are you on the volleball team? I actually went though and I only pretended to be on the track team once, okay? so I'm different. How did you pretend to be on the track team? just Squeats? Yeah. That's not what that necessarily indicates Squeats. I never said I was on the track team. I just showed up looking how they look and also being black. So their biases were what happened. You know, I was using racism to my own benefit. You know, That's not my fault No I have big thighs and war sweats. So when Samantha asked Susan whether it was even her daughter that had posted, Susan replied, I do not have a daughter and son. I'm not worried about the book world letting me back in. I was never really in. So she was like, the girls never liked me. So I'm not worried about the book world. So get out of here book lady trying to chastise me because I lied about having a son and a daughter and about dying calm down. Yeah She is definitely saying that fetch is not a thing. She has audacity and, you know, scammers usually do. So Susan had previously taken to the ward, that's a Facebook group, to post about her personal struggles and grievances in a community often permeated with drama. I did not know theres much like this much drama in the book world. I'm about to dip a top So she complained about colleagues whom she claimed to help, but whom never offered help in return. She's like, I was putting all the girls on. I was bringing them all to the penguin. I was doing all this and they weren't helping me back So As she continued to publish novels and become further engrossed in the romance space, Susan became more frustrated with both the industry and the negative feedback she felt she received from other authors. In one post made in september twenty twenty, Susan wrote, Every day it got to the point I'd rather be dead than to deal with the industry and the people who swear that they're friends Okay, I didn't know the writer's industry was this deep. No, I'm not sure it is I think yeah, I'm not sure it is. I mean, it may I'm working on a book right now. I might be an authoreist. y'all we'll see. But maybe it is this De. A are you going You've written a book. I've written a couple of books. Yeah, you've written ye books. And it's very hard to do. Are you finding that it's hard to do? Yeah writing a book? It's very hard to do. I used to Did you get bullied by the writing community? Yeah they get hribly bullied horribly bullied by the writing community. No, I don't I don't I mean, I don't know any other writers to like sit around and talk about writing You know? But I mean, Engish there are like little cult like communities. I do improv UCB, we have our own cult. I'm sure there are cults within the pottery community and everywhere, you know? know Next door is a cult for people who own houses. You I don't know about the pottery community, but the improv community you're actually working together Whereas writing is generally done Alone. It's a very yes, it's a very isolating kind of activity. And I can't imagine reaching out to other writers for like socialization because They should probably be writing. Well then that makes that kind of makes sense though to her point. if like you're doing this alone and then you're reaching out for socialization. It's probably going come from shade. Like you're're a John Grishram girie and the rest of the girlies are you know, you write in G on girl and they write in sexcapades in Germany, like you're going to be like, oh, they're lower than me, you know Yeah, I I like her titty jumped tittily as she ran into his arms and you're writing like you don't have any trouble writing at all That sentence. Oh my god Do you have a plan write that down Her titties jumped Itittally. Yes. That's how they jump. Yeah. I don't p in the picture. Tittally had not really been a word until now, but Tittally. And here we are. Yeah. So in public post, she also alluded that her previous struggles was with mental illness as she had recently been diagnosed. Previous. Pvious. She said She's right in the middle of it.vious cururrent and previous. And she says she was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder and then her past Like she talks about her past suicide attempts. So online friends, including a few who would later be accused of bullying, reached out to Susan as her posts grew worse. So Susan like kind of laid the foundation writer wise as like, hey, y'all, shit is going bad, it's going left and like kind of built up to this fake you know, un aliving. So according to one friend, she was becoming pretty chaotic. It just seemed like every problem that surfaced with her, she was in the middle of it and it turned to where she was the victim of all of it. So all of a suden in all of her problems, she wass like, everyverybody doing And I'm ye I'm being hurt. You know what? She is this close to being Republican president. Right. because that's a big thing in the Republican R. It's like black people happened to me. It was like What does that mean? It's all Tr people are happening to me, y'all. They happen to me, That's J K Rowland. W see? And she's in the writer community. so maybe. ' JK Rowland really acts like trans people happen to her. and I don't even understand that phrase, but I know just how she li. I don't know, yeah, I don't get. Such a disappointment. It's like how you gonna write a whole book series and then it gets grounded into these movies that are huge and it's all about somebody who doesn't fit it and whose parents don't want them And then you're like The demographic that this actually resonates with the most, like what? And at the time that she wrote those books, we didn't know she was harboring all these feelings about people that she don't know. Yeah. That's the other thing is like girl, I know a lot of trans people who are in my life. I know a lot of non binary people and they are Wonderful. You talk about this shit and it's so apparent that you don't even know any of these people. And like, why are you preoccupied with people that you don't know waking up every day, talkking about people that you don't even know? Like girl, It's gettingiv weird. Like find something else to do in your spare time, sis. 'cause what is this So at home, Susan's family grew concerned as she entered periods of mania or psychosis during which she would talk like a character from her book like she was the individual that she was writing. And in an interview with the New York Times, Susan herself said, I would log on and get in and at some point in the day, my two worlds would combide. and it would be hard to differentiate between the book world and the real world. It was like they would sandwich together. So shed get off Facebook and completely losing her touch in reality. It doesn't None of this sounds legit to me. No. I can't imagine that the in the I cannot im And also like you're having delusions about the books that you wrote Only the books that you wrote. Yeah Only the books that you wrote, nothing else. Yeah. L I just start having delusions and dropping into my t shirt brand everywhere. It's so wow. I'm like, buy scam Godd his t shirts. Oh oh no, what happened to me? That was a mental moment. like a girl. You didn't even hear yourself say that. No, I didn't. You were like, I saw you go into like almost a trance. Scam Goddpot atjmail dot comot Oh, wait Where am at Like I don't know. Wow. I do was here for that Something happening here because obviously she's made choices that are choices that most of us wouldn't necessarily make unless we were in some sort of crisis. But at the same time you just going between your book characters, it feels like a plug, especially because feel like in all these moments, you felt the need to go on Facebook. Well, precisely. Yeah. It does. It feels It's a little weird. It does. So both Susan and her husband, Troy became concerned that her addiction to the book world was causing her bipolar depression symptoms to become worse and her addiction to the book world. Meaning the world within her books To her Facebook group. Oh to the facebook Which was bookirl Yeah. So it was allegedly Troy that instructed their twenty two year old daughter to write the initial Facebook death announcement after a final incident when she found Susan semiconscious after overdosing on one of her medications. Troy has since said, this is her husband. She could not stop it on her own. and even to this day, I'll take one hundred percent blame, the accolades, whatever you want to call it. Now, how you going to say you're going to take blame and then say the accolades? He was like, I will take one hundred percent blame and I will take all of the praise For what I did that was valuant. Hello It was just all love however people respond He's taking resesponsibility, which is something that when they say they're going to take responsibility, he did Who this isoy? Whoy is her husband? Oh This is a bad thing. Yeah. Faking your death is a bad thing, especially if you have a fan base and you're faking your death to people who obviously care enough to log into Facebook and talk to you every day. On the other hand, okay. so all right, so all right, so this person And that's Troy up there. As far as they know that Susan is dead, right And so they all grieve And they all, you know, for those who are religious, you know, they pray like o bring Susan back. I wish this ever And then bring Susan back. Is that what they pray for? Yeah. bring Oh Bing Sus What Jus back now. Yeah. if always susen I't do anything if Susan went back. And then Susan comes back. Shouldn't they just be patting themselves on the back? Shouldn't they be like He? Yeah. That's so weird. If someone passes away and then they came back to life like you think you'd be like, Oh, I'm relieved, but you're kind of mad that you grief journey. Sure. not the Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if people were mad when Jesus came back at the toune. Like For real Jesus? Yeah. For real. You play with us like that Yeah. o. Who knows. But we this whole Facebook group was very put off All the disciples in their twelve man Facebook group were like, really he going come back like this? like he ain't even telling none us. Yeah. So we're looking at Troy right now and they're hugged up. Here's Susan again. give a that's to happen your face on T. She's in the same shirt it looks like Susan only has one shirt. That's a we all need a trio. the ' Troy seems like he's very down for Susan. He came out, it took all the blame for Susan, was like it was me. All of my fake killed her accades and accolades. Y. I fake killed her. So however, though, Susan's death and quotes was meant to keep her offline and it didn't stop her from going right back, apparently. So shortly after Susan's comeback post, Samantha revealed that Susan had created a burner Facebook profile in the that So a burner is like where you don't put your real photo, your real name. so you can lurk and like posts or watch stories or whatever, and nobody knows it's you because it's not your real account So that's a burner. A a lot of people will have Finstas, which is like a fake Instagram account where they can look at people' stories or like posts or post their own stuff without other people knowing that it's them, if they're like a notable person or whatever. So she made a fake Facebook so that she could lurk probablyrobably so that she could get on the ward, the Facebook page and see like, which honestly, I'm not mad at that because I've been thinking like You know, funerals are for the living. So there's a funeral, it's like all of us having this cathartic moment to say goodbye to this person that we love, but the person isn't there. And so we're saying all these nice things, but the person can'tar it I'm like, I have a funeral before I d's how cute and lovely I was and how much everybody loved me. Like I'd just be in the casket like That so creepy. What's that vice No no, it's nothing, nothing, nothing. Like people walk past the cask I' like. So shortly after Susan's comeback post, Samantha revealed that Susan had created a burner facebook Samantha Samantha was the other author who was pissed about this whole Susan situation and had DMed her and was like, girl, like sorry, are you alive or all, what's going on? All that stuff, right? So Samantha didn't let go. She's mad, she's a hater and loveved this for her. She was like I found her burner account. It's under the name TNC. And how would someone find a burner account? This This is all totally new to me 'cause Samantha was on her ass. Samantha was checking the facts, the dates. like Samantha figured it out. But I still don't see how she would find her burner account. if just if you just make up an account with somebody else's name. Well, she's a writer. And the thing about being a writer is that if you have enough writing out published and you write in a certain cadence or you write a certain way, it's pretty easy to figure out Like, o, this sounds exactly like this person who's allegedly left the planet. That's why Shakespeare could never have a successful burner account because people kept finding him because everything he posted was to be. And we don't even was on Iambic P damer. Pople were like, Oh, that's Bill again. Oh. Shakespeare was basically just a rapper. He you know, he had one style of rap and we knew what he was gonna to give us, okay? Iamic rap in Iamic ' I don't know. people rarapping different cadences and they stay that way. Every single de baby song is the exact same cadence and that's why he sucks also 'cause he sucks as a human. Anyways, now Okay, Okaykay, is bitch donon't kill my vibe? Is that? No, that's Ketrick Kamar. Bch don't kill my vibe. Yeah. like. Yeah like Yeah, Getrick so he's all right for now But so fun fact, in addition to running into TN Steele's account, and TN Steel is the fake Facebook account that Susan made. Susan was also active on TikTok, the entire two years under her actual name, Susan Mesan, now a locked account. So she had she was like, I'm gonna get out here and do these dances and not even worry about people knowing if I'm alive. Can you imagine Susan hitting a woe on TikTok or making a cooking video? And they're like, Susan, we thought you was dead What years on TikTok? what happened? She was wearing that same pink shirt. People like that's that's her. Oh, wait, she got it on right there at the top at the TikTok. Oh, we gotta post this the screenshot is TikTok, Susan. Rired this pink shirt because girl. Now she uses a lot of like filters and stuff, so you can't really see her face, but there's a reason I don't see her face That has her face in the middle. Susan, my girl T's profile stated that she wanted to be an author, wife, office manager and an all around goofier from Georgia. Okay, That's what her fake Facebook profile said Susan's Amazon bio states that she's a wife, a mom, a meme, and a friend who lives in southeastern corner of Tennessee with her husband of twenty four years. There're two cats and four snakes. Two cats and four snakes. All right, We live in a wild. L these are interesting pets. So soon after Susan's death in quotes, Connie Ortiz, her virtual assistant, posted to the worard that her family's health issues made it difficult to continue to be an admin to the group and asked if anyone wanted to take over her duties. Under this post, TN Seeel commented, I'll take it Connie Ortiz. I will overhaul it and I hope that that pleases you and Susan who is definitely dead and not me from a fake account right now. At of the end. But so she volunteered to take over her own account. Okay from her burner. So I'm sure that that also led Samantha to be like, o, so you volunteering to take over the account that Why is there an account for someone who's dead 'cause the girls are still reading the books and they want to talk about the books. And Susan wanted to read their comments. And when you die, like people stop saying mean things about you once you're dead unless you're evil. Like Hitler, we got hits for him all day. Like you know he a piece of shit, we hate him. to this day, nobody will ever wear that mustache because they know what it means. like, Well, that's not true. There's a whole group of people that's decided every people who still love him. But for the majority of us, we don't like that motherfucker. Fuck camp. So But for the most part, if you die Even if you were kind of shitty in life, people still talk nice about you or talk nice about your work. So I'm sure she got off on like reading people talk about her books and stuff because they're not going to really say anything mean foro foro. Yeah, unless they're going to get a free book.ight Right. So then they would say even nicer stuff. So with that, Steele gained control of the group and Susan gained a front row seat to the grieving and infighting that occurred on the ward Yeah girl including the harassment of her former friend, Samantha. So Samantha was like, somethingt right. the shit is fishy. and the girls in the war were like, She's dead. forget Samantha. Oh, Samantha guessed that she was not dead. Samantha was talk a shit and everyone is like jumping on her about it. So Susan loved that. So the fallout of the announcement. Susan's fake death had additional ramifications outside of upsetting her fans. In initial announcement post, it was implied that the alleged bullying from her fellow authors in the warard drove her to take her life. Remember she was like, the girls are being mean to me so I than my dad. y know y know how you do So some of Susan's fanbase took those accusations and pointed fingers, inciting further conflict with an already grieving community. Samantha had been one of the authors arbitrarily accused of bullying Susan and was repeatedly harassed in the intermittute two years as a result. Following Susan's death, two fundraisers claimed to benefit the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline were shared to the ward though it's unconfirmed who created them and where they came from and where the money actually went. So it kind of seems like Susan came in as the fake admin with her TN steel. It was like, Hey y'all, it's so sad that susan had died because we all loved her and she was so sexy and that pink shirt was really killing it and it was okay that she wore it every day. And also, can y'all donate to these funds That is definitely going to the funds And then nobody did money off of it People donated. Oh Samantha had been one of the authors who was accused of bullying Susan, right? Following Susan's death, two fundraisers claiming to benefit we don't know where the money went. So a group of best selling authors even dedicated an anthology of paranormal bully romance titled Bully King Anthology to Susan. So this is like Susan said, The bullies killed your favorite bitch. and then they wrote a book like And this is dedicated to Susan because the bullies had killed her Yeah, and it's rumored, but unconfirmed that the proceeds were given to her family. So they really were trying to honor Susan's life, even though she was alive. So the summary of the book reads, Fall in love with the jaded lead, root for the drop dead sexy anti hero. You know she got titties, Drop dead seexy, and run from or to dangerous creatures of the night. No, Paramore Paranormal bully romance novels are a sub genenre of romance novels where characters pursue romantic relationships through bullying while paranormal elements play a role in the characters' lives as I see this is my point. How many how many fans of this shit could there be? This I would say that this group has seven people in it. There's just no fuck par. You don't read books about ghosts that bully you and then you have ghost sex. I know it's ghost sex bullying It's Casper but he's mean and it looks No. It was what was his I can remember he had a cousin that was more Yeah Um You know Caspar had a cousin? He did. He had a cousin that was sort of up to no good sometimes. I mean, listen, people loved Wednesday Adams. W wasn't she supposed to be a ghost? So editors also popped up offering to edit Susan's unreleased novel for her family for free. So now she get free editing out of this. Her final novel was successfully published and Love to Last a Lifetime is now available for twollars ninety nine cents on Kindle if y'all want to get into Okay Successfully published, by the way, has a different meaning now than it used to You can get something published. doesn't mean you go to Fedx against on public. Precisely. Yeah. I think Susan, I'm not feeling that with Susan, we're getting top of the line Yeah, it's not giving that. But in february twenty twenty one, someone claiming to be Susan's daughter posted Susan's account like posted to her account complaining that none of her books had been purchased for several months. they were like, noody is buying my dad bya books and y'all know that she had a tragic life and a tragic death so buy her book and as such would be soon be unavailable for purchase unless sales increaseed. So some pretend to her daughter was like if y'all start buying dad Look, it's going to be dead to the world because we're gonna take it off line.s right. The shit you don't want You're not gonna have it anymore. Yeah. You better stop You better start wining this shit you don't want. That's right. Why you don't want the shit that you don't want. You better get it right now before you can't get it anymore, even though you don't want it. Although there is a certain technique to that I mean, it is. like scarcity creates demand. Definitely and still does. There's so many diamonds in the world, y'all, like they're just into them out when they stole them, you know, that they seem valuable. I got some right here in my poark. I think There was loose diamonds p you show loose diamonds everywhere you go. There was a comic years ago that used to do she would go in and make a deal with clubs where she would Monday nights and she would door and they would get the bar sales and Big hook was It's for women only, which I don't even know if that's legal by the way, but she was for women only. On women can come in Prior to that, I don't know if that that many people wanted to sear one way or the other. By excluding a group by in a very public, deliberate way excluding a group She made tons doing that Oh, I bet. And listen, men already hate women. a lot of cisgeendered men hate women. So I mean, just, you know, in general. So she just made like the best advertisement campaign because then they're going to come on and complain like, see this's why we hate women. Look at this. Look at this women iss only a vailable. Oh, and they did men made a big fuss about it. Like the very men. So it's very much like the daughter The shit you don't want You are not going be able to have it If you don't buy it right now. Yeah, exactly. even though you don't want it and I've seen that. Yeah Yes. I'm not going to let you vacuum this room. If you don't. And I love this. So it's unknown if sales did increase after the post, but one of her Amazon Kindle store ratings jumped from it was like two hundred thousand like Like almost three hundred thousand and then it jumped to eighty two thousand, around eighty two thousand. So it jumped R high That was a big jump. Yeah. so somebody went at least looked at the book So since Susan's resurrection, amen, many have called for her to be investigated and prosecuted for fraud, claiming that she faked her death for book sales and to solicit cash donations. Two police officers even visited her home to discuss the allegations, and still, others have reported her to the FBI cybercrimes unit. So and that's the thing, L she came back to the group and said Let the games begin, we go have fun. and some people were like, Oh, you're back, We love you. and other people were like We're reporting you to the FBI. I didn't know that would be illegal, but I guess it might be, right? Yeah. The FB and I, especially if they can trace back those go funund meies to her For her fake death. Oh yeah. to's charity. Yeah. So Susan Asson said, I'm sorry for their mourning, but from a legal standpoint, I did nothing wrong. Morally, I might have done something wrong, but legally there's nothing wrong. I love that is not lawful at off., you remember your expression. Yeah put off created it right here on this show. Yes. She was like, look I didn' I'm so sorry to all of those who might have been offended by me faking my own death the fakest worst apology. Anytime an apologyin it Yeah I'm so sorry if you were offended. Clearly people were offended. othertherwise you wouldn't doing this public apology. You wouldn't open your front face and camera if people weren't offended. We talk about if Why are you gaslighting us in your apology? Don't put if in your apology. Wait, did you just say you wouldn't open your front face? Yeah, your front face is a camera. and get on here and record yourself talking about some if. If If nobody's mad, you wouldn't be apologizing. So there's no if about it. Yeah. one This is how people protect themselves. So it's like, I'm so sorry for their mourning. Like, what do you mean? You faked your death to your fans directly. Like Yeah. She could have faked something less. She could have faked like just a really bad rap. What about a coma? like a cute little coma because people come out of those all the time. giveive us a sol opera moment. Yeah and just everybody would be They would be satis. They know they would feel that they brought her back. Yeah. that would be more satisfying if she just woke up one day and was like. or just if just I think it's a yeah, a lesser because death being so She could have faked so. She could have faked a nap and people, you know, because nap is you know, trying out away from people for a while. Yeah. That's good. She could have faked a vacation Right, something. So for now, she is taking a break from writing to deal with the fake Susans that have popped up impersonating her on social media and the additional fallout from coming back from the dead. I do believe there probably are some fake Susans, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the fake Susans were real Susan pretended to be fake Susan because she is a perpetual victim. So she's trying to find victim promotional, right? It promotional It's just because we're talking about Susan She blamed her husband, although I will say, Susan, you married right because your husband stood beside you. He said I'm gonna stand beside her. She did. I'm gonna stand beside the coffin. He probably went to the funeral home, took some selfies, posted them. like he's giving a real faithful spouse Yeah. He said, I was the one who faked her death everybody. So all the accolades All the accolad All the accolades and if y'allad'all y'all can be mad at me, but also all the accolades if y'all love me for it. It's really taking take ye, taking the bullet for her Right. but also the flowers. He's like the bullet but also the flowers. But mostly flowers. fllowers with little bullets in them. Let's talk about it. So all fourteen of her titles remain available for purchase on Amazon Kindle and Susan is a whole criminal and I'm gonna read these book titles because they are very funny. Here we go Romance novel books Losing him and finding you Stolen moments. Ooh, that me you aside ho Chance encounters. Oh, you like to have sex at work. Chance encounters two. Letting go. Y'all can't have sex at work no more than install cameras. Losing hope. Book one in the Finding M duet. Finding faith. So you already lost hope. Now you find faith. Book two in the findinding M duet Never Anything about neck pants in there. Is there anything about neck pants? neck hands. Jerking it on the Greyhound. Yeah. neck pants are the Greyhound. Thats very rememberic. Smoky mountain love. rememember Tennessee. Yeah. Oh yes, Paula, that's what I'm about to say Susan lived in the Smokey Mountains of Tennessee. You see you know because you drove across the smokey mountains. Absolutely spepecial delivery, I'm guessing the delivery was penis, My crush. That's when you're stalking somebody, but you're making it cute, calling it a crush. His wicked way, Ooh, that sounds like he was toxic, but sexy. And then love to last a lifetime, which was her posthumous public Oh that was the one after she after she p die. Yeah Yeah. Not that long. And then I love the title Last a Lifetime, but its her lifetime had ended. Yeah. Yeah, that's deep. Yeah. That's true. Now her husband doesn't have to do her anymore because she had love to last a lifetime but that lifime's over. That's why That's why he helped in the grave. Yeah Yeah. Sex in the cemetery. My posthumous book. Making it at the mortuary. M making it at the mortuary ? Oh man, Susan, I don't know how to feel about you. fininal thoughts on Susan It doesn' not 'Cause she didn't call you as she should have. No, she should have. Before she started the whole stupid thing All right, Susan, Ill tell you what you know You've really transgressed first of all. but I for me and I can't speak for everybody. I can't speak for the ward and I can't speak for the writer's community For me, you could redeem yourself. By writing a book, wherein You explain that women's breasts don't heave Big thing. That's a cornerstone of her workd. That's a big thing in romance novels. There's always heaving. Yeah. Rests don't heave. They got Rs have never heaved. M heave it all the time. I'm just leaving it all the way in here Not heave to the sea. No, that's because you don't take care of yourself. That's what's happen right now, y'all. canan hear it D I hear my titties? That was my titties. I was Yeah No, no, that's not a sexual thing. That's a that's a your lung I'm out of breath. I mean lung cardi should be. So yeah, they don't keepave and I'm sure a lot of guys feel like somehow they didn't you know, or women feel like they didn't give their partner what they needed or wanted The breast and heave. they have to breasts don't He I love J Hang. Your piece of advice is not about her faking her death. It's just about the Heaven breast. No, I'm telling you, I would be willing to put the whole You forgive her scam aside. if she will just Clear up if she'll take You know, her he. Right. If she'll make this one step towards honesty on behalf of the entire romance novel writing community. I mean, losing him and finding you, that title alone. I'm like, I don't know, I might have to read that and see if I find myself by the end. Losing him and you know, finding you They say everywhere you go there you are, but I don't know. Maybe I need to read this book and figure out where I am at. No, you got to J ask for that. you got It's ways before finding yourself. Yeah. That's the book I write Well, Susan here I'm over here. Susan, I guess I'm glad you're back alive. U We'll see what happens, but you do have another book you you could just write about how you lied about being dead and the girls would read it. So some more book. What about losing me and finding me again? or I died, but really I didn't Yeah Back from the grave. Yeah Yeah. T saes? I don't know, so. Take you of the shovelful. That's yeah I mean, listen, nobody ever opened up the door at the funeral home and hopped out, you know? Yeah as a mausoleum. Ashes to Ashes dust to dust Tada. That could be. Ashes to Ashy. I put lot shion on and I'm back to life. You know, like work on it. These are working titles. You got it, Susan. All right, the saddest part of the show isear I have to let Paula Pound song go Let's take another break. Okay, we're back T bad Sammer of the week. So we're just gonna talk about a Chlatte who maybe or maybe not as worthy of our praise. I love that it's a Florida woman because I know probably you have some interest in the Florida scam community. So a Florida woman has been arrested after a four year long romance scam, keeping on the romance theme, that resulted in defrauding an eighty seven year old Holocaust survivor. Yeah. If you went do the Holocaust and I met a lot of Holocaust survivors because they used to like I don't want to call it a tour because that feels weird, but they would go to schools and like we would meet them and they would tell us stories and stuff from like their days and Public speaking. Yeah, public speaking. There we go. It's not a tour. A I'm making it sound like they Jack Harlow, like they on stage Put your hands on the air have you heard of it? No. It's it's not that but it was really dope because you got to get stories from elders like who really experienced these tragic events and like it was really cool to meet them. But how you won't take advantage of somebody who already went through so much? Like come on now. scam investment banker who's eighty seven, not a Holocaust survivor. like God damn. So Peaches Sturjo, Well your name is Peaches All you could do was have a life of crime. Oh look at peaches. Her mug shot, she looked like she was This look like if we cropped out one bridesmaid from a photo You know those weddings where they have several different things they make you pay for. like you gott to go on the Bacheloret trip, you gotta have a matches swimsuit that y'all get off E se. and then y'all go to the wedding and they make you wear a line dress that don't work for your body type. It's given like they cropped her face out of one of those photos. No be though, L She's got the blush on, the lip, the brow,, but there's crime behind Petach's eyes. Yeah, Petach I mean, her name is Peaches. herer family set her up for crime. That's a crime legacy name. Yeah. So you're too young, but there used to be a band or as a duo Peach is an herb aches an herb. Yeah. Yeah ye. yeah. I about them. Yeah. Yeah.ach.ach Yeah, this peach is really I'm telling you, there's crime behind those eyes. It is. And I don't think those eyebrows are real. No, they're definitely not.ose eyebrows came from Sephora and that's okay. I get mine there too sometimes. But Peach's got a goodbie and it's giving a little bit. I'm not mad at Peaches so far. So Peaches, her name is Peach' Sturjo, which she didn't have a chance thirty six, she began her scam in twenty seventeen when she met her victim in an online dating site. She eventually asked him for funds to pay for her lawyer who she claims was refusing to release the funds for a jur an injury settlement. So she was basically like, I got a big settlement. Oh yeah. Peach just slipped on some JuiceFL and the girls aren't trying to give me my coins until I pay them or whatever. So can you a Holocaust survivor Give me coins Mm. So the victim gave her the money, but there were no funds to be received from any injury settlement. and I've said this a billion times. I'll say it again. If anybody's like, Hey, I got a lot of money, but I need money from you, stop right there. Full stop. You a heiis or you got funds coming in or you got a settlement, but you need money for me? It's not giving you have money That's how money work. No, thank you Yeah J stop right there, walk away Screen You know, that makes people uncomfortable just do a screen, you know Have you ever screamed like in chill company? like youre just chilling with somebody and y' talk and you just like L try it. It's very unnerving. and then maybe they'll leave I don't think they give up that easily. You know, peaches looks like more of a pomegranate to me. Do you get that? Yeah. Yeah. There's more of a pomegranate. Yeah Yeah. There's crime behind those. Oh for sure. You open that up it's gonna be hell of work. Pomegranates are the hardest working fruit in the game. Like I didn't I didn't sign up for a job when I'm eating fruit. and when you open a pomegranate, you got to munch on all the seeds, spit them out. That's a lot of work. Yeah. that's why that p juice is so expensive.. Thousands of people worked on that eight ounce to get it all out of them tiny little seeds.. But it does bust though. It do be busting. So shout out to Pop, spponsor the show. So over the following four years, Feates forged documents and impersonated a bank employee in order to extract from her victim more than more fancy trips Rolex watches and luxury purchases Were they going together? It just kind of sounded like they was going together. This man was eighty seven, Paches, She know how to do her makeup and keep it cute. It sounds like he got a baddy and baddiess cost money Batteries cost money I lost my wallet for a whole weekend and didn't even notice because my boot was paying for everything. Daddies are expensive. You know, what are you gonna do? Did you get it back? Y we? I did Yeah and didn't have to pay for nothing. And I didn't even have to say I lost my wallet. I lost my wallet and didn't notice 'cause I never had to reach for it. Aen. Well, I don't have a wallet I You' not her own vibes, Paula? No, I just put my money in my pocket. I don't have a wallet. Oh, You just tell them me you're quQeen Victor of Comedy and they're like, oh, you don't have to pay for this except for dunkin' Doughuts. Yeah. No, I pay. Well, y'all callght her up altercation. Yeah they owe you money. I'm gonna get you that settlement, but first you got to help me pay my lawyer. Oh yeah, I'll do that. Where do I sign? So in total, Peaches manipulated her victim into writing sixty two checks calling over two point eight million dollars. Oh, Geniques. Okay. there's something wrong. Okay, well, clearly the victim had been through a lot And therefore, maybe not I to say, Peach', even though there's definitely no life behind her eyes, she feels like a fun time. I feel like if I went to dinner with Peeta, she would keep me laughing in all my toes. So I don't know. Maybe she's worth two point eight million. Yeah, you're putting a lot of backstory into Pacha. Look at Peacha think is there. Okay, Peza just got a fresh blowout. Okay, H hair is shiny. okay? She's not using three in one shampoo. She definitely got one in one shampoo