The Defense Theory and Final Thoughts

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And more to the point. What exactly is he capable of The last time anyone seriously took up those questions was thirty three years ago at his Cital murder trial during what's called the penalty phase After a jury found David Wood guilty, they had to come back to court to decide his punishment. In Texas, juries have to consider whether or not the defendant poses a future threat to society In this phase of the trial, the jury isn't just judging the crime anymore. They're judging the person And in David's case they had to do a risk assessment. Back then, life in prison without parole wasn't an option in Texas So if the jury thought David Wood might kill again, the only sure fire way to prevent it was to execute him Prosecutors made the argument for the death penalty by bringing up David Wood's past crimes. They had a lot to work with. Before the desesert murders, he had three rape convictions, another conviction of indecency with a twelve year old girl. And then on top of that Three more women and girls had made accusations against him too ranging from attempted kidnapping to rape The story the prosecution told the jury was clear David Wood escalated his crimes He went from being a serial rapist to a serial killer. Is there any reason to think he'd stop It was a convincing argument One that's held for more than three decades And yet David Wood has insisted all along that it isn't true. We're going to death row to hear him tell us why beforefore we head there We're going to talk to somebody with a very different feeling about the kind of person David Wood is. One of the victims who testified against him fromr Serial Productions, the Marshall Project, and the New York Times This is the last twelve weeks I'm Maurice Shema Hey, what' you doing Are you doomscrolling other people's vacations? Miami, San Diego? With Expedia, your trip can earn rewards which you can use towards your next eligible stay. 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And if they punish us so be it, we will still go out there and report as honestly and aggressively and fairly and truthfully as we can I mean, look if the New York Times were not at the White House asking the hard questions, looking for stories behind the stories, trying to understand what's going on, it's possible these questions don't get asked Independent reporting requires resources You can support it by subscribing to the New York Times at nytimes d. com slash subscribe roduce yourself and how we should identify you What I told him is I just want to use my first name I don't want to use Christ at thirteteen That's how I want you to identify me Christy was thirteen when David Wood raped her She's in her late fifties now, and says very few people in her life know the story she's about to tell us about our connection to El Paso's most notorious serial killer case When Christie was in middle school, she was hanging out at her friend's house one night and realized she had to get home to make curfew Her house was in walking distance, and she figured she could shave a few minutes off by cutting through a park. But it was getting dark out. So she called her boyfriend, Henry, and asked him to meet her along the way As she made her way into the park, she felt footsteps behind her At first, she figured it was Henry, trying to catch up But Henry wasn't saying anything which she thought was odd And so I turned around, but it was dark and back then you didn't have street lights because it was on a park. So I was like straining. I remember straining my eyes light You know It doesn't really look like Cannery And when I realized it wasn't Henry, he jolted forward and took his arm and grapped it around my neck Christie says they started scuffling and she fell to the ground She kept fighting kicking up at him. U I was the gymnast I was. and a jockey, you know what I'm saying? So I threw my feet up into his chest And then he said, knock it off. stop, you know, quit doing it. And I said, what are you doing? What are you doing? you know away and I remember looking over the house to Christy, David Wood seemed upset. As she remembers it, he claimed she'd thrown a rock at his truck and hit the windshield And now he was going to walk her home to explain this to her parents Christie had no idea what he was talking about with the windshield But he was insistent She figured maybe this was just a misunderstanding And I really stupidly probably believed the windshield story at that point. It was like, u, you know, you're gonna to go to my house and my dad's gonna to tell you you're full of shit and we're going to be fine or Henry's going to catch up and you're going to get your butt kicked. I was in that mindset at that point in time But Henry never showed up And David Wood didn't take her to her house Instead, Christie says he led her to a drainage ditch and raped her After it was over, Christy says he disappeared She walked home and still in a daze, took a bath to clean off the blood and gravel She eventually reported the rape to the police An officer asked her to identify the man and set her up at a table with pictures. Each one had a part of a face, a kind of DIY forensic art puzzle Like you were piecing the face together. so you did hairline, forehead, eyes set, nose, lips, mouth, chint. Christie spent several days with these puzzle pieces She talked to detectives repeatedly rehashing what happened to her over and over again When Christie says one of the detectives suddenly had an epiphany as to who her attacker might be He saidays, Son of a bitch And he slammed the desk And he walked out And he came back in and he had about ten pictures And he laid them out And he said, does anybody look familiar And you and it was David Wood I picked him out David Wood, it turned out, had just been accused of another rape, less than two weeks earlier. the rest happened pretty quickly He plleed guilty to both rapes and was sentenced to twenty years in prison But in the end he only served seven A few years later, he went on trial for the desert murders and was found guilty. At that point, prosecutors went back to Christie for help They wanted her to testify about her rape to help ensure David Wood got the death penalty Christy was reluctant. She was newly married, had a job and a new baby She didn't want to have to fly to Dallas for the trial I remember being very mad that they were going to subpoena me and sequester me. in Dallas because I had my daughter and my daughter was like six months old. and nobody in my immediate existence had any idea that I had any connection to this person And it was est say, I was angry. I was really angry that you're going come disrupt my adult life Christie also saw this as an opportunity For the first time in years, she'd be face to face with David Wood And this time, she wouldn't be a scared thirteen year old I stared him down the entire time I testified And he didn't look up at me. I think he looked it up at me once But I would not take my gaze off of him because I wanted him to know that I was in control It was very much about me having the power back Power, control, safety This is what Christie says David Wood took from her When I first arrived at Christie's house, I noticed a sort of decoy entrance a front door that leads to a long courtyard before the real front door Christie designed this setup herself so that she can suss out any visitors before they get too close. She has two daughters now, and she acknowledges that her parenting style when they were small, was a little less than relaxed. I don't let them walk across the street I don't let ' them walk to school, I don't let ' them walk home from school. I never let my kids ride a bike I never let my kids Lave my side at any store with both of my Daughters when they turned thirteen I told them what happened and it connected the dots of why I was such an overbearing mother growing up It's almost like he robbed you of A lot of things, including ability to like have some chill some chill with your kids. onene hundred percent Christy says her daughters, who are both grown and out of the house now cautioned her against doing this interview at all They didn't see the point of stirring up old trauma Christie has a mission here She's eager to talk with us, she says mostly because she wants to get to you My purpose is so there's not a doubt in the listener's mind And I'm gonna to take away that doubt from your mind Any doubt that David Wood really is the desert killer. That's my purpose of all this And to make us really understand, she says we need to see where it all went down. in her old neighborhood in El Paso So we'll trace my tracks and then I'll tell you where the other tracks were. and then we'll go to where the bodies were found And then you can just kind of see how everything's so interconnected The toor itself is a tight little loop, much shorter than I was expecting In about ten minutes, we see Christy's childhood home, the park where David would raped her, and very close by the middle school that some of the missing girls went to This is where the bodies were found. Wow, rightight here. Much closer Yes. It's compelling being driven around like this. seeeeing landmarks of a case pass by the car window in rapid succession So do you see how close? Yeah, very close Everything is And his house is down one of these side streets Okay. Christie's argument is an argument about geography, about proximity A serial rapist gets out of prison hangs around the neighborhood where he once raped her, and then girls start disappearing How many explanations could there be How could it be anyone else After the tour, Alvin and I do offer up a few of the problems the defense lawyers have identified including the lack of DNA testing Christie bats it all away I know the neighborhood, I know the area, and I know where the abductions took place And all of that fits his mantra so I call Bz At what point do we start saying that the justice system served their duty and why does he still have a voice when the victims tellie There's no ounce of me that feels he's innocent U by one hundred percent convinced It's him People don to hear about me. they're going to hate me I get it I'm just a convict in prison saying I'm innocent and they're going, Yeahah, right your lying piece of crap After the break David Wood. 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Polensky Unit named after a guy who is on a prison oversight board, but also happens to be, of all things, a real estate attorney in San Antonio He actually inherited the honor from an insurance executive in Dallas who asked to have his name taken off the unit He told a newspaper that it upset his mother On the day Alvin and I arrive, there are nearly three thousand men held inside the prison. one hundred and seventy one of them are on death row We walk through a metal detector and a series of heavy gates and into the interview room There's a row of tiny booths with phone receivers wired into them We're separated from David Wood by Plexiglass He's on the other end of our booth in a little cell We pass a microphone over and watch for a second as he struggles to set it up. mododern I've been bl like it so long. I don't even know what modern technology y David wears an all white jumpsu He's got long white hair and lots of tattoos Looks a little like a rodie for a metal band, or the biker at the end of the bar I was aware going into this interview, how fraght it was with expectations, mine and his My aim was to get to know David beyond the facts of the case, who he is as a person Was he contrite? Did he have regrets But I got a heads up from his lead lawyer, Greg, that David mainly wanted to talk about the case He saw this as his one chance to set the record straight three weeks out from his execution So we both had some ambitious goals for this conversation And yet one thing that wasn't going to help either of us was the Pison's extremely strict time limit for this interview So yeah, since we only have an hour That it is an hour Yeah, that's it's all wow That's going to go extremely fast. It's going to go fast Let's run through the basics David Wood was born in nineteen fifty seven in San Angelo, Texas He was one of four kids, and his background is familiar for Death Row and so much as it was pretty grim His mom was institutionalized for mental illness when he was little His dad would deny him dinner if he misbehavaveed He struggled at school Hyperactive couldn't concentrate As a first grader one time He just stood up in the middle of class and started walking home. By his teens, he was getting into all kinds of trouble I can tell you some stories. Uually it was bad when I would drink. I would get drunk You just absolutely could not tell me what I could and could not do You really can't go much further in David's life story without getting into his time in prison And I mean that in a literal sense He's been incarcerated for the overwhelming majority of his adult life By my account, he spent a total of three years in the free world since he turned eighteen He's now sixty eight years old As Soon as I got to prison, violence started I mean, it was violent from the time I got there. It was violent the whole time I was there Antime I came out of prison I came out worse than I went in I came out very hostile We didn't get very far in our conversation before I could feel David's frustration He wanted to talk about all the problems Greg has identified in his death penalty case But I kept asking him about his prior crimes the three sexual assault cases he did plead guilty to I wanted to see how David's versions of events lined up with what I'd read in court documents. I figured it'd help me sus out his reliability as a narrator. But David didn't like that line of questioning He was eager to speedrun through all of his priors For example, here he is talking about a rape conviction where the victim was nineteen It's a long story, and I'll make it short. I really didn't I didn't do that case And here he is on another conviction, this one for indecency with a minor. Vim was twelve There was no scratches, no bruises, no injuries, nothing An incident happened it probably scared the crowd out of somewhere So really can nothing happen but That prettyty much it. Yeah. Okay. I mean, so I don't even really like talking about that This is type of stuff I didn't want to talk about. Although David did plead guilty to these crimes His versions of events were wildly different from what I'd read in court records. He downplayed what he did in one assault And the other assault he tried to deny entirely I wasn't able to talk to those women Christy's story was fresh in my mind I asked him to take me back to that night and describe what happened At first, his account roughly lined up with Christie's M are at a park. I was drinking with a friend of mine. She was there, daughter walking back towards her house. But then it veered sharply We started making out by a bridge by a ditch by then it's kind of load And we were making out kind of heavy Th just got out of hand I mean, she described it later at the trial as like a kind of a nightmare for her. Do have Yeah. I mean, do you have sort of how do you feel about It was a bad thing I mean, I did a bad thing And u What can I say it was a bad thing. I was under the influence. Now the law enforcement will tell you that we can't use alcohol or drugs as an excuse. And everybody who has goes, are you crazy Are we really in our right minds when we are drunk or high? I want to dwell for one more beat on how far apart these accounts are Christie described David's attack as intentional, predatory David denies the whole rock throne of the windshield story and says what happened was basically a drunken mistake that got out of hand I find his way of talking about it off putting Put it mildly And it doesn't do wonders for his overall reliability But I also see where it kind of cross purposes David has twenty two days before the state is scheduled to execute him for murders he's adamant he didn't commit And here I am with all these questions about crimes he already served his time for. His frustration, while unpleasant and self serving, was not totally surprising Given the time crunch, we move on to what he really wants to talk about crux of why he's sitting here on death row The way he tells it, it started when he got on the wrong side of some detectives in El Paso After David got out of prison for Christie's rape in nineteen eighty seven, he was on parole. In his telling, it was a more stable time for him, relatively speaking He got a job, moved in with a girlfriend Everything was pretty good except every time. I had a run in with police It didn't go well It didn't go well Women and girls in El Pasos started disappearing just weeks after he got out of prison And as their bodies started surfacing in the desert David became one of the main suspects He says the detectives working these murders were constantly harassing him showing up at random moments to question them And he didn't take it very well Every Encounter ahead with the detectives became extremely hostile Very much so. I was very disrespectable very confrontational David says over the long course of this case, these interactions got worse and worse He tells a story about detectives trying to question him about one of the girl' disappearances early on. And he responded by telling them to kiss his ass and peeling off on his harley. By the time he was arrested, he said he was shouting at a detective about all the terrible things he'd do to his family if he ever got out David believes all this personal stuff, combined with his record, is a big part of why the desert murders got laid at his feet. I' the more of it turned out to be the scapego I see. you're like a patsy. When I alert First of all, before You start getting wrong impression. I fully, fully admit of putting myself in the position to be a target of these people. I see, it was me accept our responsibility for Bring in their ill feelings towards me. notot because of the case but because it became personal So this is David's explanation that the might of the El Paso law enforcement apparatus converged to make him a patsy for six murders, largely because they didn't like him Maybe that sounds plausible to you, or maybe the whole thing feels a little farfetched It certainly did to detective Johnny Guerrero who denies that the El Paso PD targeted David in any way But there is one story from this era that makes it a little harder to write David off completely In January of nineteen eighty seven two weeks after David gets out of prison for his rape convictions A teenager is walking through a park. We're just using our first initial B She was a minor when this all happened, and she asked not to be named corroborated the story with police reports and court records In any case, Be is walking through the park Actually at the same park where David grabbed Christie A man grabs Bea, hits her in the face, and walks her to a ditch where he rapes her Be reports it right away So the police collect a rape kit Be tells the police she didn't get a good look at the man's face but she remembers his voice They set her up with an audio lineup, which is what it sounds like She listens to a series of recordings of suspects' voices, and she picks one It's David Wood's voice He becomes the lead suspect in her rape Over the next few months, David Wood becomes the prime suspect for the desert murders The police get frustrated, given all the suspicion floating around the sky and the lack of smoking guns So they look back at the case of B case where there's both positive identification and biological evidence they cont test They figure if they can make a connection between David Wood and Be's rape They can start proving a pattern that'll help to put them away for the desert murders So they get a warrant to collect David Wood's blood And they tested against the semen in Be's rape kit And the test excludes David Wood as the rapist Prosecutors have to drop the case To David, this story is a key exhibit for his argument that he was railroaded It shows the police were willing to blame him for every bad thing that happened in El Paso And if he didn't have biological evidence on his side, maybe he'd have gone to prison for bees rape too In David's mind, this is all prologue to the desesert murder case. It shows just how easy it was for him to become a target J just how easy it was for him to lose the benefit of the doubt If David's lawyers can't stop the execution, then David will die in twenty two days Specifically, he'll receive a lethal dose of pentobarbitol, which will stop his breathing and eventually his heart. That might sound clinical, but past executions have been pretty grizzly There are times when the drugs don't work or don't work quickly enough, and you have men groaning in pain and reportedly feeling like they're drowning, suffocating, or burning David's heard the stories During his time on death row, more than four hundred people have been executed, some of them his best friends in the world. So all things consider David is clear eyed about this and knows the odds are against him. At the same time, he feels some amount of hope And that's mainly because of his lawyer, Greg When David was first scheduled to be executed in two thousand nine, he was full of hate and anger totally alone, like his death was inevitable So he says he gave up completely He gave away his possessions His typewriter, even his shoes. But then Greg won him m stay of execution Other guys on the road told David he was lucky to get such a good lawyer David says Greg reminded him of Mr. Rogers someomeone decent and kind who he could actually open up to So now, even though David is facing execution again He doesn't feel like he's fighting it alone What do you expect to happen in the next few weeks I don't know God's will That's all I know So yeah, it's kind of affecting me now, but if it happens And I believe in my faith That's God's will Men on death row talk about their faith a lot. as you might imagine. And I do think David is sincere here He was baptized a few years ago and meets regularly with a spiritual advisor He spends hours reading the Bible and watching faith based movies on a prison issued tablet There is ultimately only so much you can get to know a person in an hour But this version of David, the religious one, was hard to square with the more callous version from earlier in our interview I went in looking for signs of remorse, some help thinking about the binary Innocent man or serial killer. By that standard, I wasn't sure what to make of David For me, he landed somewhere more complicated posossibly innocent of the murders, but certainly not sympathetic When the jury was deciding David Wood's punishment, they had to decide what they made of him as a person. How much sympathy they could muster for someone like him I wanted this interviewer to kind of approximate that experience. so that you could decide what sympathy you might hold for him If any I suspect that for many of you, it might not be much With just a few minutes left on our hour together, I ran this idea past him directly You can imagine somebody listening to all this and saying, well You know, I'm not sympathetic to this guy. see's what would you say to someone like that I don't really know what to say because we don't have time. Our time is already running out. But The first thing I would do is I would not like the character like me I wouldn't have too much sympathy for him Again, from the beginning, I didn't really know this was. I thought this was going to be about the case But when Greg told me no, they're going to try to get you people as ne as a person like, who cares what I think? People think of me I didn't do this case, regardless of my past the case speak for itself regardless of my past Meaning, regardless of being a convicted rapist, But actually for David Wood's lawyers, his past is very much part of the story here As counterintuitive as it may sound, they say David Wood's prior crimes strengthen the case for his innocence The defense team's theory goes something like this. The police and prosecutors began their investigation by looking at the least sympathetic characters in El Paso And that's how they came to focus on David Wood a rapist just out of prison with a tendency to mouth off There was hardly any physical evidence tying him to the murders, the theory goes So instead, prosecutors highlighted questionable witnesses and ignored evidence that pointed in other directions David's lawyers think none of this would have worked if he was an upstanding citizen. So yes, they say, David Wood is a rapist. But he's not a serial killer It was the El Paso police and prosecutors who turned him into one thirty three years ago, a jury decided David Wood was guilty but also that he was irredeemable that he would, if given the chance, kill again David's whole case disputes the very premise of that judgment He's saying It's not about remorse or about what he is or isn't capable of He's saying, look at the facts. the DNA, the fibers, the timeline, and let that be enough just as we get the signal to wrap up and we start saying our goodbyes