Final Thoughts on the Case

There are people you are told to trust laawyers, teachers, especially doctors But what happens when you put your life in someone's hands and they betray you The hit podcast Doctor Death is Back, and this season is unlike any other Doror Death, the Cowboy, is a story of a charming neurosurgeon who rode into western towns selling a persona of confidence and care He wore cowboy boots in the operating room, and he became sought after by patients. He promised to heal them But instead, he left a trail of broken bodies. This season is about a doctor who was never truly held accountable for the patients whose lives he ruined a story of greed, betrayal, and a fight for justice that will leave you questioning who to trust Listen to Dor. Death The Cowboy wherever you get your podcasts, or binge the entire series right now only with Audible Hey trrue crrime bestesties, welcome back to an all new episode of Serialessly Hello and welcome back to an all new episode of Serialiously with me, Annie Elise, your true Cime Bestie, your Mackenzie Serilla deep diver, just you know, go into the depths of hell on the internet and in the foIA and come in here to clock in for duty with you. Now let me just start this episode by saying this, okay This will be my last Mackenzie Serilla episode. And you know what? let me actually put like a little asterk next to that. I think, I think. I don't want to talk about this girl anymore. I don't want tona give her any more airtime. I don't think truthfully that there's much more I can share with you that will bring value to anything. But so this will be like the last hurrah in that regard unless there is some huge new revelation or there's something you guys are requesting that I cover regarding the case. I feel like now after today, we will be done with it Now that being said too, for all of my audio only listeners, very similarly to the Wednesday episode. this is a bonus episode and it contains a lot of phone calls. Originally I was not going to put either one of these bonus episodes on the podcast feed. I was going to only have them on YouTube because on YouTube you can do closed captions, so you can hear it a little bit better and read what the transcript is It's not it's an episode that doesn't have as much commentary for me. so Whatever, I wasn't going to put them on there. but I did a poll over on Instagram asking, hey, for my audio only listeners, do you want me to cross post it? And the majority of you, like eighty five percent said yes. So once again releasing this bonus episode not only on YouTube but also on the podcast feed. And if for any reason you do have difficulty hearing these calls and following along, it is posted on YouTube with closed captioning. So you'll be able to read the transcript Now, the other day, and just in case you missed it, let me remind you, on Wednesday, I did release a bonus episode and we have been in the trenches of MackKenzie's case for literally years now. I know I mentioned that we had the huge stack of you know, six hundred page documents back in twenty twenty three. We also have FOIA information. We've received terabytes and terabytes of digital evidence of phone calls of jail calls of so many things. and we've been kind of digging through all of that since this new renewed interest in her case since the crash came out on Netflix And so with that, I went through the jail calls. And on Wednesday, I pulled out six calls that I wanted to highlight between MackKenzie and her friends These are the jail calls in which they're talking about boys, they're talking about sex, they're joking around. She does not seem remorseful at all. She drops the R word literally dozens of times. and like she's making fun of people. And those calls to me, the reason I chose those six, I felt like I could have put the whole know gamut of phone calls on, but I was like, okay, this is what's gonna to really like illustrate things the most. These are the most important calls in my opinion So same goes for today. Today's episode is not going to focus on Mcenzie and her loser ass friends, but Mcenzie and her loser ass parents, okay? Because I have gone through hours and hours and hours of phone calls between Mackenzie and her mom Natalie. Which I think we all can agree that her parents just enable her to like the ends of the earth And I've pulled out about fifteen, I think sixteen to be exact, but roughly about fifteen that I think you really need to hear because in these calls There she's instructing McKenzie on what she can and can't say. They're talking about the appeal. She's talking about how she's so obsessed with the Facebook group and Facebook pages and comments living in the comment section. She this is Natalie, her mom that cares about this, which isn't really a far stretch because we know that when McKenzie was hospitalized immediately following the accident that and I say accident it wasn't an accident, but you know the crash, I should say, that when McKenzie was immediately hospitalized, her mom was running her social media, trying to get her signed to comm modeling agencies, trying to asking the police, what do you think the social media perception is going to be about all this? So that is still very much the tone of their conversations. She's running McKenzie's accounts. They're talking about changing her profile picture, her bio, living in the comments section, just like this very surfacey, superficial bullshit when that doesn't even matter. Your daughter is in prison for taking two lives. like Read the motherfucking room, right? And in addition to all of that, they start talking about they start dragging Dom and Davionne's family in these calls. They start talking about how she's the victim. Mackenzie's a bitch through and through in the majority of the calls all while her mom is like soaking it up and thinks it's like cute and funny It's beyond So I'm going to share some of those calls with you. Curious to know your thoughts and if you're feeling exactly the same way I am and what you pick up on, because there are some very interesting conversations. And then after those calls I'm going to jump back on here with you. And I want to talk about all of the rumors that are going down right now about Mackenzie and her father. If you don't live on TikTok or even on Instagram reels, you may not know at all what I'm talking about. So I'll give you a little sneak preview right now But a lot as everything has been you know, a full data dump of information over the last several weeks, a lot of the text messages people are starting to show, which we've seen, I've seen, I've known about them for a long time. they're starting to show the text messages of Mackenzie asking her dad for warm milk in the middle of the night U her dad saying things like, you know your mom loves me, like you it's a get at it, not not this I'm paraphrasing, but like You missed your get out of jail free card last night or things like that. and like but kept asking for a warm milk, which people, of course believe was code for I mean, I guess I'm just gonna say semen, okay, implying that she and her father, Steve had a sexual relationship in secret from her mom. they even further U I don't want to say like bolster this claim, but I guess that's how you I could describe it. because in previous Starbucks orders, Mackenzie always ordered her drink as dairy free. So they're like, why would she be asking for more milk? What eighteen year old or seventeen year old is asking their dad for war milk in the middle of the night? So you can imagine, things have been running rampant on the internet with people speculating what this really means. and look sixty days. I think I've covered three or four incest cases. so it is out there. It is a thing, unfortunately But I'm going to talk more about those text messages after I play these jail calls for you I'm going to talk to you about what I believe it means, what I think the dynamic really is. also what I think Steve and Dom's potential relationship was like, the two of them and we'll kind of get into all of that. So this will serve as the episode of MackKenzie's parents. And maybe we call it like the unraveling of Mackenzie's parents because we've already been talking about how her dad's spiraling, He lost his job. They still don't seem to understand how to read a room of like what their daughter has done and how severe it really is. But this episode will serve as like Let's talk about the calls with M, how mom only cares about fame and perception and attention and living in the comment section and capitalizing on her daughters presents, even though it's like not a good thing to capitalize on. and then we're going to talk about those text messages with Dad. So let's start by getting into the phone calls Hello. This is a prepaid collollect call from What were you say body's probably fing Nobody Oh, well, that doesn't matter. Sometimes they smell the w I don't know what to say to Maddie thankful with Yeah not working and she says she misses you and loves you and she will see you tomorrow and give me. . What Oh my God, and Aa is posting this huge. you want me to read it to you I'm going to read something public and every single YouTube l you Oh hold on I got a get through this better Jason said at all So let's just get this out there for y' all Goopy who can realize all their so called sus is all based on interpretation. Number one, they say she wanted to die, but that's after of the accident. And she was in the hospital saying, quote you never meant for this to happen and that now all she want to do is be dead. I'm sorry. If I or anyone else was put in this situation where they lost their six year boyfriend and doesn't fully remember what happened But no, they want to do that an interpretive the worst way um dude who goes by hedge who is literally like no one knows. justved to Mississippi and has a criminal background And they stay as a family friend to the root that and living in the basement . wrot that should down. That's a lie. That's a lie. Well maybe thats he just started he just started living there in the last year, Kzy I don't know, but I don't know I don't know. Maybe she' sleeping in Dam's room or some shit. But that's what I mean. That's new. Yeah. I can't because I can't read. Okay, well send it to my phone and then like read it or something. Like I can't understand you at old business I screenshot is a little s ' very hard w and D look sh for three year long they't know. Soout going Oh I just have to give you What Let me start over All their so called proof is all based on interpretation number one. They say she wanted to die, but that was after the fact of the accident. she was in the hospital saying, quote She never meant for this to happen. And now all she wants to do is be to quote sorry, but if I or anyone else was put in that situation where they lost their six year best friend and doesn't fully remember what happened, but no, they want to use that They want to use that and interpret it in the worst way. And I'm sorry, anyone in that situation would say the same thing. And then you've got some dude who goes by hench, who literally like no one knows who this dude is and got a criminal background and they say he's a family friend of the Rusos and lives in their basement. Also, let's just not So let's just mention MackKenzie and Dom's mom never had a good relationship at dinners and stuff. Kenie, I know we didn't. That was I don't know, C you? reasons C read it. And Dom's mom never had a good relationship, fought at dinners and gotten in conflicts, et cetera. And please parents go home and ask their kids who they got their goodies from. They are painting a fake picture and they know what they're doing. She can't claim the truth d that he was renting from her and was able to have a whole house with a jaguar and a cadillag and a recording studio in a house and never worked a job. Come on That wouldn't look weird, would it? you can't sit here and try to find a real little bad thing about this girl and just cover up the rest about the others They drove down that road hundreds of times with me and others in the car. This was not an unusual route. It's all a damn ble and it's crazy because it's almost like as the years continue, Uh, hold on. ue, everyveryone becomes blind and retarded. That detective knows the lives she put up on the stand, those families will realize what they're doing and realize when they do meet their kids again, they will also be as disgustive as I am. girl had no job, literally didn't benefit shit from Dom y he could point to care of for Christ' sake her bird. there was beforeord a And he had reservations for a really expensive Italian restaurant and he had this. Why would she do it before that if she was trying to benefit from this? they try toit here and say a weeks prior threatened But Iase She threatened to go off the road where there are texts between Kenzy and multiple people claiming a whole different story. And tellell me, please tell me how that man got out of of the car. If she was driving, no matter what was said by both of them in that car, she would not keep her six year boyfriend out on the highway They are feeding everyone live and all is little ratchet assomasks like this Morgan girl who's been in love with S for years and has caused issues in their relationship out here execting no shit Th then we got this little bald headed psycho Jana or Job is a girl who is eighteen claims she's been addicted to cooke right. he' coach on multiple drugs for a couple years. comeome on people, you're really going to believe that piece of little trash is just as crazy in the head. who's just crazy in the head and most likely have publicly proost of it. We've got a dude who was in love with one of the victims out here making up more lies and trying to be his own detective A starting exuse me Okay. We got a dude who was in love with one of the victims out here making up mor lies and trying to be his own detective when I found out men tests, it seemed if before we even knew ses and other information, we had people out here claiming it was on purpose. We had people claiming they were high on LPB turbs and mushrooms. Now let me just throw this out here So Kendy was sp of the car to treat it Kendy was found in a car. with her head down by her ankles. Right now I've asked almost damn near one hundred people and no one can explain it and that is a few hundred stft o on a car right now and get sitted right and try getting down there. It's one thing to be hunched in her labse on the steering wheel itself And what that is is where we're standing up quickly not enough flood flown to the grain, usually between eight to ten minutes and will pass out even seasoning up. It can also happen when you're just sitting Now check this out This took them eight to ten minutes from where they left to where they crashed where the lilivery didn be been told by doctors that she feels something coming in, she should lay flat on her back It ranges from people putting the car in park after fleeing sudden RbM boost and actually getting out of their car and their engines blowing up. There are over seven hundred reports, but yet not frivoler or anyone else wants to take that into accountability. Sould did say that to me cray how they didn't even want their own s back in their house. and they didn't even come back the second day they found out their kid had passed. And as a parent, we all't know anyone, and everyone would be back that same day I am done with these wrown ass people wanting to act like this is high school or some Batman justice movie when this is real life and the gold tries are turn. No when no, he was there for a reason because he trusted them. He trusted them and he trusted him enough to accept him into their home. And yah, I remember that their home of her locked out of the house Its her house too. She lived there for almost a thousand years. This is just sickening They're also saying it was definitely her fault due to her contacting downstair and apologizing and trying to keep the connection that was somewhat there after six years. but no They want to take her pain and feel that she will never see her boyfriend again and doesn't know why and are trying to do that again or interpreting it to be bad. please, open your fking eyes like truthfully, this is coming from someone that has never been in this girl's friends or how to care for this girl coming from someone who back through and fact takeick through all the lives and is just doing what's morally right in my heart. This whole community is going to helpll what's not high There were five perfect perfectly healthy fine people that saw all three of their st of fes and that spent hours with them before they passed about them ten minutes before they lost their lives. And are they testifying but not have been called either the prosecution or the defense onender people need to see is people in public that continue to cause attention and people to look at them differently. And these people should not be allowed to live a carefree life after all the lives lives was that we No idea who the foook that is Ner And Sali responded, he was like that is one hundred percent spot on. They putwhere everywhere on every Facebook post. We have one minute left. Wh the hell is that Everything they Fol said was that by Dady was like, can I write it? Me too in It's a face profile.'s I don't know if that's their real name and there's no picture or anything, but call you back Yeah C me And then and then Bub is the one that's posting it everywhere from Facebook onto YouTube for Yeah like people other people applying to it or their lies on and sh Thank you. Good. Hello. This is a prepaid collllect call from I have until nine forty five to be out Okay, this is for a talk Okay Wh? So what does that cart do? good medicine For that long Wait follow're working here Ky. Okay Is everybody on a lot of meds? There are a lot of people, how many people are on your floor? There's like over ten, I don't know. I don't know exactly how it is. Maybe I don not ten Well that is okay, ten and twenty are different. I said more than ten, probably like fifteen, twenty Okay Are you going to be able to go from the shower I hope Lo me J Oh you know, maybe I'll go over my office now that I'm standing. And I'll go wr right down what you're going to say if you just message me D coffee. The coffer o Okay What you say? And's say. I asked Jim, I don't even know what you're supposed to wear Monday. What if you have to wear the orange blue Oh Who wears orange ared No, I wear bl I shows you my outfit Yeah I know I' I order every day And and they wear orange every day Yeah, the boys weret like, you know the color of my shoes Hm. I'm going to put you on speiger so that I can write What are you writing? Oh when I wrote. Yeah but reight is low Daby. You have that? Hello So deeply sorry I hope one day, you can see never let this happen or do it on purpose Yeah your pain away land Long live of the boy en family and support U. I thank you. you all beinging the real ahead But for non stop fighting for me for Love you all. so much Pay one day People won't see me as this monster. making me out to be Tday. Okay where I think we ought to be. That's what I wrote Uually say something like I people see me as this much if you've got a chance to. Well that your sense I'm just going to say what I said is perfect for be Okay people to send me messages I will, but it's Saturdayays. You know what I mean? It's the weekend, they may be out or doing things, you know but I will U you What do you like betterter Okay I don't know why I went to my desk to write that down. I just did it in my notose on my phone Alison has these new beans in their shop. They look so weird. They're like they're like they're called like sake be snake tongue beans or something What is I don't know, every if she pictures, I'm like, Oh my God, Kincezy would definitely try that weird ass looking thing whatever. So Alon St' talkking to me about the squash. He's like, you need to try the squash. The squash is good as the You gott to tell them I was cracking it up because Allison posted these melons that she has and somebody in the comments was like, you guys have peaches yet eople are giving a hard time about pe. That's all they care about are the peaches. Yeah, because their peaches aren' good as f. the best peaches I ever had in my life She's like, at these melons. and're like, where's peaches Wh meelon, but where are the peach like anoy. But I'm telling you, they have these beans, they look long, flat, and fuzzy. I don't know what they are I like when they get all the Yeah, me too Yes, I'm sure. That would be so funy. And then you go to the farm, oh my God, you would be so loving all their whole process. Yeah. M Yep, keep it st it to the light be good to work for like a small business. Like I don't want to work for big business. I can just have like multiple jobs, but then like I don't want to have no free time. L I don't like that Well, when you do what you love it is like your free time. You don't mind doing it you love to do it, you know.'ll get first pick on everything so. But it's not like work because not only will you love it, But it's it's like family, you know what I mean? So you're like excited to go. wash my hair U huh. Yeah So that lotion stick I gave you, is it also Can you put it on your face? S should it. put it on my face Okay H Yeah, I don't know I don't know, but Anty just showed me something. Somebody is going off on Facebook again, and I swear to God, they know everything. They're posting everything everywhere. and it's like the spot on I is that same one But they know everything about everything somehow, and I don't know who it is. Yeah Dadny was like, did I write this? again Yeah Y So what are you saying this time I could like new update. I just found out that dude lives in her basement. and she's been his lawyers for years and there's a criminal living in the house and I mean just everything. What's the fuck Every. I don't know how they know this stuff I need to know who that is. That's what I'm saying. They did use one word But I b I think they're younger, but who cares? I mean, of course they would know everything if they're younger, right like the rest of this is def they used it one time and I'm like, okay, so this is a younger person Yeah Let's try to find out They're like they're stretching and twisting everything, and none of this is true. And D did not all lived with a family. He rights at the house next door and they're making it sound like I mean, Kzy Every Oh my gosh Mm I love whoever that frein is talking, buddy. I love who that is there is a lot of it, but whoever that is just like knows intimate details somehow love those just fine. Me too. Yeah Keep talking, for sure Yes, please. Iar though, I am going to Don't be scared or have dad do it. Well you're scared No, no, no, I'm not scared. I need to I need to really formulate my words carefully at all Here Kassy. . you know, one word could make or twist things. You you know what I'm saying Please Yeah, you know me? I don't start without making sure it's okay How was that for the prosecution listening But about to get in the shower love, love, I' call I didn' tell you There are people you are told to trust laawyers, teachers, especially doctors But what happens when you put your life in someone's hands and they betray you The hit podcast Doctor Death is Back, and this season is unlike any other Doror Death, the Cowboy, is a story of a charming neurosurgeon who rode into western towns selling a persona of confidence and care He wore cowboy boots in the operating room, and he became sought after by patients. He promised to heal them But instead, he left a trail of broken bodies. This season is about a doctor who was never truly held accountable for the patients whose lives he ruined a story of greed, betrayal, and a fight for justice that will leave you questioning who to trust Listen to Dor. Death The Cowboy wherever you get your podcasts, or binge the entire series right now only with Audible You've never been one to settle. Stand down or stand still. You're a lifelong learner, energized by excellence. There's a fire inside you you can't ignore. You've got competition to outrun, momentum to build on and your own high standards to meet. Stop now? Not a chance. At Capeella University, we help you catch what you're chasing because you've always had the drive. Now, go earn the degree. Capeella University. What can't you do? Visit Cpeella.edu to learn more. But this is a prepaid collect call from An incarcerated individual at Cuahoga County Corrections Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number to accept charges and consent, thank you for using Securus. You may start the conversation now Well Those two of the rooftops for you Actually, he's coming over. They're coming over Y, ourur house So talk to me about things S Nina and Bubi said Rosie. That's what I'm talking about I feel like Bob was more like like rid in for me because he belie like Like then Rosie like it's weird to think heew because he's her, I think that was her. I'm gonna ask her that when she comes over. Ask her what is the p that we or to see that it ob that is that you p Oh Okay, that's who I think. Me you Right So just I know you're anxiety and you got fear and stuff like that, but I don't have fear. I just like I don't try to be a part of the loop if you're just likeort Like the rat or something like that's the weirdest fook. No that's what I mean. Just pause on that. I know it's hard to not feel that way. L I'm very weird to fuck out Like I don't know that's just hold on I'm sorry in a bin me inood. I'm not in a I love you I love you,ud,. I'm like what? What does have to do with you talking to me? That's weird. love I love, I love you. I love you. love I got in trouble last night or this morning. Why? I got in trouble. Mommy got mad at Mommmy got mad at me what that mustine in like two weeks and we're going to get in a car accident and I'm going to be charged with murder and and honious assult and stuff, you know, because you know, because, you know, in strongz, if you speed it, you know, it's something bad anyways. Anyways, I love you very much. I'm angry for you, baby. I'm just like, you know, I'm every witaking second that I'm thinking is about you . I I hope they I hope Karma comes back and placeace everybody that's against you in the ass so hard that they all disappear That's all I said. And if I had a magic wand, if I had a magic wand, I wouldn't go back and help Diian first. I'd make everybody else better. I'd putut my fingers and everybody would disappear That's what I would do. That's how that's how angry I am Okay, I got to go. bye. I love I I love. I I'm on your side one hundred percent. And I know I know you need do this on perurfect I love you de So this I mean you got army people fighting out here, baby, o talk of the home We are oily We are all that way. How D feeling? and they are part of that We hold a second They were what? Who? Sammy and Rosie in the car and there was this like weird ass shit going on. likeike I don't know like Okay, well, listen, here's what we'll do Okay R. I'm going have people watching her and as soon as she hangs out with her, she's getting fucking blocked on everything. you need to take her out of the group chat So we'll deal with that part yes, then. But you have we'll just laer Okay No stress. You knowt know if that man can just get my like Well he must that's what I mean. He must do thiso sayo What if somebody else gets my message it's like that'd be like, I know you did it on purpose. And then do you know to do? I' will reply and be like I Yeah, I'm repling photo stam But I would be like Thank you for the message. Kuzie will get back to you very shortly. Her messages are overflowing. Thank you so much. I like we're kind it's like a voiceemail That's a good idea for messages of support are A overflowinges. That's good idea. That's funny. Oh, yes, Ima do that. her message Oh Do you think I should write out what I'm going to say to like Yeah Yeah. I't want to I don't know like exactly how like does that need to be you know a little bit what I need to say like It doesn't need to be long at all. I'll just talk from Just talk from your heart Thank Don't say anything about the whole proceedings or the verdict or whatever, just talk that Thankk you to the judge or anything. I was going to say thank you to the judge, but I'm not going to say anything to the judge. No You can tell her that you feel that no, don't even say anything. I's going to say you can say that you feel she made a mistake, but you can't, Don't even say that I really like them you what I'm going to say or dra want me to wait. I I think you' can say for me Okay, I'm going to be like I don't know if I should be like families efly apologize, I'll forever be sorry. And I hope that one day you guys can see It was just a car accident and I want to tell you, I'm sorry forever. If I could take your grief away, I would take it away in a heart beat. I am so sorry. And mean I don't know what else I would say. I've been I don't even know what I'm going to say that would be like, on a job, be like, to my family liakes something. Yeah is fiting for me every day You love you lo him. you would not like it's just so crazy, Ken craving Yeah, just like something like that even say the judge, you know, if you knew me You know who I was I't know I' Kz figure out who I am very soon. I mean you think they would know who I am by like watching me in jail for fucking like nine fucking months, but I guess that's not enough for them But if I mean, if I can make a decision in like nineteen seconds like they say, then I don't understand how like they can't figure out who I am, but too far been going on like like people like, I don't know, like people didn't been like posting about me still or is that died down again? It's down Well, on my side, anyway, I don't know because I don't have snapchat or anything like that But don't forget Good news, travel fast Badness traveled faster and people laashed on to toxic and anger and rage more than people trying to support somebody in a situation M because they' cloud weird it out still though like just by Sammy, like thats just weird me the fuck out. like How are you going to like try to be cool with me and like talk to me on the phone, ask me if I'm okay and shit Dany? Yes Right I know. Sammy is the follower. It's just doing it because because good that's the new. That's all. Rosy is strong Miami's not ' in the courtroom I don't feel safe with him anywhere near me. I feel like he's going to attack me I don't know if there's anything you can do about that I'm going to refuse to go into the courtroom then why you can't Don't even look over there Yep. H, this isn't over. Okay. Like I hope and like what's the point of like going through my phone all that time and finding literally like all the instances because you stop talking right now Okay I know don't talk like that. Nothing was even shown. Nothing was even shown. Like why? Please stop Yeah we need a different lawyer. Like I don't give a fuck. likeike that was the we I'm so weird out by him too. L I just don't which just just shows us weight I know. Hold on, Diamond Mow later in the afternoon Yes, It's coming it's coming like kind of like on the earlier side, like eight to like one Oh there you go. Good I just want to get moving around two. That's where I'm at Yeah. tellell me what's up? like I'm going to blocker I'll sure to call you can't be completed and it takes longer h to load, right It's not working. Did you write agreeance on that one terminal? for not A Greeemance on that terminal? yes, becausecauseuse what' the fuck is that about? One girl was like, can we like, can we switch? Like here' the other video call at seven? And I was like, I'm not switching my video call. What? Yes I love that movie more like like stuff like I don't know how to explain it. Like, how do you explain it Jyy Like the theatrical dancing type like like like theater and shit like that. Like they' be like very like And then like very like music musical, spiritual, like Yeah like nature and shit, like R. one See you You have one minute left And then I got to work at eight Thank C you one more time. Okay bye Hello. This is a prepaid collect call from An incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center, this call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored Okay. And I set up a card so I can bypass that whole thing now Really Y Oh, that's good because I rem I memorized my number by heart Hey, G' good see you I mean we weret much of putking in the bug, but I still did it anyway. Did you look up on the county website if like the county inmates? I want you to see my mu C Yeah, I don't know why. I just like I don't know. I don't know what the fuck's gonna happen. I want to tell you something really bad but I can't tell you on the phone My got I don't know how we're going to do it Jim' going to come see him before Yeah Okay No, but I'm sure they't No. I don't think anyone really knows that that's what So But' I did Yeah, that's how I sent the app for the video thing who was all in it U, you're right or guys No, I just found him So re room. 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It will be recorded and may be monitored Yeah it' just Yeah What my mean Hello H Okay At least I know know And Marissa. has must have had had this app or something a while back. or have known somebody in the system for at some point because The fact that she was able to message you that fast means that she must have already had an account This wasn't pety enough Iost sees. I don't know I don't know, but that was super fast. Did you talk to her like after like yesterday She sent me a message ' just saying that his mother is not a good person like Nuke. and you could just tell that through're like She through the stuff that she saw, read and Yeah This still got really skinny too I'm sure . weird to me out, Jan heard that to any like look up the. Yeah. ress and from may ha't happen to tell yet. H Just like I can tell you're hurting when I to feel it like C it. It' so glad you can talk to them. And you can call her so you can call her anytime. as soon as she can set up this video thing, she's going to give you a number. you can call her whenever. So her B know I know I can't wait for her to get in contact with you. I was going through your phone and can you think of anybody else that I didn't think of What about Phil? Do you want me what about Phil? C hes telling me that he loves me He send love He loves you. Yeah Okay I Well, I might ask you first. I don't want people know wolf and she' clothing, coming in to message you and then giving you messages that are not nice I don't care about if I can gonna mess s that night. can I can black people Okay Okay. people you're going to have a bunch more people coming in, hopefully today I know That's okay. this is good. This is okay for now for like an hour and thirty minutes of forty five minutes At least it's something, that is what I mean. 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I got to look through it because think I can I going to look through and see what my options are. I can't test, I can't seeap and save was to goiously we eight hours to go to sleep. and she better stay sleep the whole fucking day dogging her the fuck out today if she keeps being annoying. Yeah, that's crazy. I How the she don't know. like Gown as fuck, like ty probably or something like you when they're all day He's crazy as foot sense because she's in there all day. she's still like suuper polite like that. L it doesn't she doesn't even know basically where she is Re? No, I guess giving like girl that you don't she doesn't understand like her brain don't work I don't think No No, that's messed up what if if I get found like guilty of anything tomorrow going to have a I don't know. Like am I going straight to Ao or like like I'm confused I don't know, baby I don't know. 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No No because there's still other people that are like, I don't care she did this this and this and she should Get the death penalty like that person doesn't know you, but that's how some people are talk Is it more good or more bad That's more good It's better now betterter now. You made the right choice And remember there was in like with a ship for so long and it's like draining so bad like I learn like I never okay Yeah But you did't make the right choice. The thing I'm talking about is only a conversation between like five people And this doesn't matter what anybody thinks anyways s they don Any. about anything? We don't knowen they've seen the evidence that they have Well they didn't because we only saw what the media report is. And rememember, we don knowt have the media report everything Who are they gonna to say ically And that's interest thing it's still on there Yeah, it's still on one of the I think channel nineteen or something, which is so as nine. into that shair. if I don't give a look that church. I was in the car, how my they don't know if I wanted to leave y the fuck would I be in the car if I didn't want to leave? Like Jzy, I do. You recorded it. You were like, I just wantan to go leave. I don't wantan to be here. Don't touch anything, donon't break anything. I just don't wantan to be here. I have that They don't know anything. Nobody knows anything. as with it though like because it was like I understand how to take that fuck and bullshit fucking drug Oh, Yep That's irritating. He should known better too. and that makes me mad. I'm mad at him for that telling you that you can't get in trouble for just to hold everything. He always told me that. you always had me hold everything. I know. That's because you were a minor And he was using me for that. I don't even know if it was like a bad thing or Well he was I know As everybody knows B the way that person's talking online was going off the rails because they called Jana a bald headed bitch. I know who it is Do you think it's a girl? Because facebook like, how many boys do you know call a girl a b head a bitch I don't know Narrow it down thinkink of who it is too They'ir posting is everywhere 'ause we friends, like did I hang out with Davbrienne and Dam with like it was like I like it was only like, I can only think of one part like You like be with like me, Davy and president I'll call. I'll make a personal phone call There's no record of that conversation M Yes And like, yeah, I speak, everybody speaks th like everybody speaks be like M it seem like potato' That's how De Anne drove. That's only how Dey Anne drove. So excuse me O boy I know I know So No ll one foot in front of the other we'll deal with the next step, whatever the next step is whatever the next step is though can be you are going to be okay your surviving county That's what I mean. Like and very well That's what I'm saying I got to go there. I don't either. And if you have to go back to Juvie then you know how that's whatever. but haveave you Yeah You got it and we'll deal with it as a com. but you are going to be okay. and you're making friends everywhere you go Everywhere you go So you're an amazing person Maybe like a job That's right I had one minute left so. I just love you so much M. I love you too baby you do the kind of Well, we got our video call at nine They know I got a video call I Okay Baby I love you so more I love you too the eight and eight thirty I love you too Thank you and let mec cur it. G is Hello There are people you are told to trust laawyers, teachers, especially doctors But what happens when you put your life in someone's hands and they betray you The hit podcast Doctor Death is Back, and this season is unlike any other Doror Death, the Cowboy, is a story of a charming neurosurgeon who rode into western towns selling a persona of confidence and care He wore cowboy boots in the operating room, and he became sought after by patients. He promised to heal them But instead, he left a trail of broken bodies This season is about a doctor who was never truly held accountable for the patients whose lives he ruined a story of greed, betrayal, and a fight for justice that will leave you questioning who to trust Listen to Doror Death The Cowboy wherever you get your podcasts, or binge the entire series right now only with Audible Yeah An incarcerated individual at Cuahoga County Corrections Center, This call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored Tamer. It something E Campo Oh my go. Oh my gosh Hi how are you? I just came across your story online. I'm just wanted to reach out and see how you're doing. I'm Steve. I'm forty three Oh I know Holy crab. I've been on the long side of a lotwa drinking and driving twice, so I know how being locked up can get if you ever want to talk or need a friend, I'm here for you Y I going on say, hey Hey, can you ask somebody what the number for the word it is? So messages are working Yeah, I have a message So tell me who who messag you? hold on. I'm messaging Stevenen Kampobeck Okay I'm going to write his name down Kandy It's on the Today showhow Why girl. R No no, it's not on the TV. it's just online and they're just reposting the story. but That's okay That's okay? Right That's all right with Right That's okay Write your book start writing your book. You you hear what I'm saying? a baby book to write book, though. I know. Well maybe I can write it though. you start writing your book. So okay, I'm going to write these names down from these randos. That's so nice though that they're doing it. diamond l becauseuse that's like telling her about this name Stehven can't see A MPO Okay, that was mine Good. I was going to call the warden today and ask her about U Tell me why She was would just fake throwing up all night. likeike it was so irritating. L's like making herself throw up all night. I just had to all night. Yes. It was disgusting E That noise just makes me want to I had lectures hear it all night Why is she like a Welcome back what Well one of the girls that we like I talked to here is on lockup Uh oh Wh only happen H. . video call today. I have four Yay. Well I hope they work hoping So the truth comes out eventually justust say you know, yeah. EV how do you feel eventually EV E N ee you you And I gotta type it I will not Oh my God, I'm so glad to message Jon. again, I'm hoping the truth comes out eventually And then talk about his thing too What happened? Do you want to share your story? in jail So it's scary. Wait, I didn'tar your last sentence this is my first time to you so Sary Lll. you How long were you loed up You came even say something like after this, I feel like half the people in jail are innocent. Remember, just don't talk about the case with anybody, right? Be we don't know he could be a reporter. We don't know No, you can't talk about the case though. I just don't know who anybody is Remember, you cannot talk about the case at all know, especially with random. Right or with anybody, but yeah, especially Randos We don't know who they are feel like people in jail innocence Yeah one hundred percent year. Because usually when it drops up at the jubby, you get it four days, five days later time There you go what I'm gonna to. Oh, I'm so nervous. And he even sent me, o, he did. He sent me a stamp. so he's You know? Oh I'm dead is h. Just remember they could be reporters. so Oh, I got one about the case you f I I havem a message. what's his name now? This is Kevin from medical headayhot, late and extes very hot I do love that you can call me all the time though Oh I know I love that me too Cider. hold on Somebody is showering and it just like it makes me nervous. We one random shower. Well I don't know I need a piece of paper You was loud last night. You can Goodness D You got a piece of paper All Thankk you. I'm about to have to write down second message I back. She's like way. . You're going to die and I'm going to die. I'm going to V bad I'm like telling me like. I'm like, mom. I'm like, oh my God I wish my mom could hear this. Like I was like, what the fuck is going on these terms So that It wasn't I heard them it. you're going to be all there just for this one one thir five just a first this one the rees come on the air Force All right Thankk you. aitevin, what's Kv's last name Zimmerman, V I He's fromadison, Northeast Ohio Okay. And where is Steven Campbell from New York Yeah I just I know I have this feeling that something's going to happen like with all these people reaching out, it makes me feel like You did Yes If you want Yeah, it's fine Please no, he was arrested for murder. You probably didn't even do anything That's my s So yeah, we can talk about anything like what do you like to do . What to to do Music We music Oh my gosh, did you hear anything last night I on o the clock I think I did. I just didn't get up L I knew she was gonna come. I should have been ready. She was playing music with her and the yell And there were a bump of music from your YouTube channel But I told her I' like, she's probablydly sleeping night H. Sorry Uh huh. What the other one is with? How many of I think I have I have two. I do my two nighttime ones Maybe What do you have? What time are they seven thirty like year two and then one at one and one at seven Same again Well after I'macting, I'll do a second. I usually Oh my God, we didn did count today I'm so freaking excited for you I usually can talk every day but the system Please for sentencing I want you to bring me my dime girl shirt I want to wear that while I'm being sentced Oh that want to wear Jy trucks. What's my nine girl shirt? Okay I mean, what does it even matter? I mean, she already had her opinion on me the whole time. So fact you see Oh, okay, that's what you got arrested and actually, right? Yeah Okay. up in the bag. I'm like, I know where that is, that's all in that bag Oh People are so growth like the judge that's doing Trump's case She's getting threatening letters from people that if Trump's not elected in twenty twenty four, they're going to come to our house and kill her Like people are so gross. Social media just I hope this. I wonder what Dom would think about this would you? O Trump I know she's business manan. He would totallyave it is so annoying thirty and eight I don't care I like when I do it because it helps us stay out longer I think I did because I wasn't sure if the terminal was going to work. and that way, if it wasn't working, then a call would be on another one. You know what I mean? No, all my call down the terminal Okay That might all be me at the end. Oh my gosh, Stephven Campo, that is so fucking funny. Like the wes, but yeah, keep your guard up. U But I'm born Fzo what's up Oh my God, these people are paying money to talk to you. they should.. wild Oh Page text me Oh the shabby one No We oe Michigan I think so because she was not handy. What'd you say Oh my god Oh my God, it's so long. it's so on I know. she we used talk about it all the time he didn't get charged Anyway, she knows that you love Dominic with all your heart And you saw yourself being with him, you know all the way to the end of life know, and married and everything. roll together Oh, you know, because she loves that man with all her heart. I'm so sorry If you can please send Kenzie my number So I'm going to send her the information to download. Mhm And then anti Stephanie and Tiffany are posting don't believe the media, don't believe everything you hear We're ever going to stop fighting hashtags recency to your effort. We're not in here fog So let me turn you up because the bitch is yelling We have one minute left. I Ma call, I'm just to call you back aroundam Let Hello. Hello. This is a prepaid collect call from An incarcerated individual at Cuahoga County Corrections Center, this call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number to accept charges and thank you for using Securus. You may start the conversation now Hey Pon Oh I got a message What I say from Stacy Oh yeah She was here before H I'm glad Goodhead I love that you can talk to these people, all your friends and everybody that loves you how she has letters for me and books that her son wrote me to Oh wow boy Yeah. She's got some stuff too. And I just said, Well, don't send anything yet ' just keep it. I don't know what's happening And everybody's stuff is stillpendning and will you make get some more today basy Oh my God Dot hurt It was so bad last night. something to help don't know banging on the wall like, shut, fuck shut like yelling at her all last night. likeike she was so fucking irritating last night. likeike she pisses me off so fucking bad. like I was about to freak the fuck out last night And like F first of all, she got to like like talking to herself. like I don't even know what she would say. She did' not. I was up all night just from her from her. N shutting this look up Sorry Do you get a pillow in there Oh I ammuse my blank as a pillow Okay. Okay. It was't sure So today I have to work from eight to four forty five H Oh my go, I what banging, she heard me banging I know she didn't want to leave He's like I don't want to leave I just want to set up a tent here and stay here M H banging hard as well I have a little picture. I took a little picture of them pointing to the roomit. I like that I could see you, but I couldn't see you in the photo tired H, I but Pfectect This is you know, when you're in your room for a little while place. So Lincoln's party, there was a huge thunderstorm it startorted warning right in the middle of the party. . I know still had the ps on So you weren't But you know, this big just just were playing in the puddles and they were playing basketball and they successful. you like at the basketball age Oh my go, yes, you's been ups obsessed. I wish Dom would have loved to play basketball with him Oh my go, they would have had so much fun. I know I know Bry. H What? Oh, right And then way have done their room a long time though, because like we have so many like We have to come out like at different times, like still on the seventh floor. Okay, hopefully I get movedough I don't know though. I like that you're protected what you think. I know what I think and what I I think my time. 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I don't even know why what kind of mental bullshit is that ike I literally h here Y at all B one woman here Don't have one minute left You get my email number It it doesn't read anything. I't even know if you saw itet when we're off the phone Oh, yeah, about the call Yes. we should right now? Yes my card And the Jewvy thing on this app too. I didn't know that. I went online. They said to go to. net. so that's where I went, which was wrong. Thank you for Suris Goodbye. The caller has hung up. There are people you are told to trust laawyers, teachers, especially doctors But what happens when you put your life in someone's hands and they betray you The hit podcast Doctor Death is Back, and this season is unlike any other Doror Death, the Cowboy, is a story of a charming neurosurgeon who rode into western towns selling a persona of confidence and care He wore cowboy boots in the operating room, and he became sought after by patients. He promised to heal them But instead, he left a trail of broken bodies. This season is about a doctor who was never truly held accountable for the patients whose lives he ruined a story of greed, betrayal, and a fight for justice that will leave you questioning who to trust Listen to Dor. Death The Cowboy wherever you get your podcasts, or binge the entire series right now only with Audible Hello, this is a collect call from call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored Okay, where are we doing Oh my God, the sl door right every time I can talk, but I hear myself talk And then you talk the phone shitti here Another one. It's just the echo. I do with this that works sometimes too. It's really hard and weird you know the hang that you guys so much. I need to take screensots when I'm on video call. What? She post? she go like No, I'm not doing. No me to this kid. I'll be posed. espeally like the cute ones school I should have been Yes, from school. 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And I'm like, oh my goodness Like girl, like if there was a fire, they would probably actually they probably wouldn't evacuate us. but I just told her that I was like I would hope they would They probably wouldn't. I was scared lastight a little bit Oh, do all the video things work on here also Okay. So don't need to worry about video calls anymore Oh my god Yeah Oh I don't have my iPad y No, so you're out like with a restast of the p. on the pod Tell me what I got in the pod, and they're like, I seeing you on the news. That's embarrassing as his fook. and they was laughing at me Why are what they say . Why were they land me?? I don't know. They just seen me on the news. And he was laughing at wild Yeah Fora Bond Miss Beie, she wrote me this letter and it was so sad that she was like And this said something that I like it took this accident to make me realize like she Bbe, the one girl that like Belinda I don't know who that is. The one girl that knows Miss Cynthia that was in Julvie too? Oh I thought her name was Mulland over the M No, be Oh so she wrote you Yeah, she wrote me a little letter like she was like if people smiling at you, at least she said something about like people smiling at you, don't mean they're on your side or something like that. I have to read it you Oh Yes And it took me like a long time to realize that Reize what like Mr Ruso would smile in my face and been like clear that she has real attention And sorry, Kvy She had more than smile put in going over Whatould you say, did you make that remembrance page? Why is it who doing this shit? I'm irritated Czy, who was talking? What do you mean He's at le like he'er Good She's going like you too It to eleven, so I have like more time on the phone and shit. Well has it work. So you shit, I gott to work. L you my iPad M. Okay. And then we have our video call at one hundred and forty five U So we'll kind of break up our day like that And then you tell me what you would rather do a video call or a phone call Oh Well, no, I mean during the day No, I want to keep that video a call. Yeahah. I'm just gonna to keep it like that because I want I want to see you in then see o'cock in the morning. I'll see your face in the m. It just canceled me out again That's annoying Oh who Why don't you wake me up on H Oh my gosh, so that has have been like super exciting for you to say, Hey Kend we're getting, Let's go you think? I had to be exciting lastight. I had such a bad headache last night, Like I thought I was gonna like throw up. That's how bad my head hurt. Yeah. And and the one staff comes up and she's like Shabilla getting moved, and'm like Thank God, L thank God. H it goes away feeling great Your headache went away, started feeling great. Do you still have a headache? No ises from the tension yesterday Oh my God, why the fuck does it keep doing this shit? I gota tell you something, but I can't tell you on the phone Well then, why would you just tell me becausecause it's incredible. I'm neither going to find a way to tell you are of It has to do with your angel number Okay No Somet really cool happened yesterday I can tell you, I can tell you without telling you Okay We went to go talk to somebody yesterday kind of about everything going on And guess what they're their room nevertheless you T, two, two Can you believe it? It's it's incredible. I got chilled all over my body The hair' standing up on my head 're studing somebody else's sets, doesn't it I really't want to anser Buba, though. I know but you can go back. Maybe just maybe you kind of burp the system, go to a different message and then go back to follow up. Mbe other messages that I just haven't answered yet Yeah, I know I my guess I was kind of rough. Al said I'm glad you contin you sne next it because that's good news. I just want you to know I love you think about you We're all thinking about you today like We I love you You too he. can't believe that thecent believe what happened Could you contect paper letter before Yeah. Yeah, you got my I got all kinds of stuff Okay, yes, this' doing it on the. so I'm like to just try to message on another one when I get up the phone do you have a call a feeling. Okay s frustrating. Yeah. I had a feeling Y what are people saying on the news It's divided, Kid. It's divided. a lot of people A lot of people think you should have gotten you know, life with the trolls, the internet trolls and the evil people, right? think you should you know, basically for all of your life foreverore fore, ever everver then there's people saying, I'm just sorry I'm okay with that. It's just is weird and it doesn't add up and I'm not okay with sending somebody for life foris, blah bl Oh You know, I know the family, I know who she is. You guys are wrong. You can't say that, you know what I mean? just live that. Oh my god, I guess what my dream was last night. I just sorry. I just like remember Yeah, I got messages from strangers. and there's this one who posted this whole big one saying total stranger. set have been soing' this case I just want you to know that I love you and I forive, you know I forgive you, Mackenzie. I do not think that You should be in jail Oh I think I was in m could' so long. She says o, canan you hear me okay Yeah My open letter to Mackenzie. First of all, let me say what you did We all made mistakes The Bible teaches forgveness. I forgive you MackKenzie, the judge should have let you go. It was just a car accident And some car accidents happenens. I wish you the best of luck. I know how you feel. I'm so sorry the judge gave you fifteen years. I will pray for you, and I hope that your life will get better. God bless you Mcure' love. The Bible also teaches us to love the sinner not to sin. I love you Mackenzie, Sherriilla You suffered enough. I want you to stop suffering. Jesus Christ will always be there for you. It's just that society doesn't understand that mental health Yeah Sould have made sure you got counseling from a very good counselor when you were younger on those I know. Well, they remember, they think you did it a purpose, remember? Because as it is It's not going to make it better. Just add the pain. Just leave her alone. she has suffered enough W I'm going to hang up and call you on another one right now. Hold on le by. Oh, levy by Okay, so I'm curious to know what you thought about all of those calls. Again, I just think it's so Silly that what her mom seems to be prioritized with is like being in the group chat Work in the Instagram account. What are people saying? liivving in the comments section, giving McKenzie a pass when Mcenzie is talking crap about people and being a bitch and kind of soaking it up almost like she's one of the parents, I believe wholeheartedly, who wants to be Mcenzie's friend more than McKenzie's parent And look, I don't know, Mbe she was an outcast in school and like maybe she had no friends. And so maybe she sees her daughter as the popular girl, the cool girl, and she wants to fit in with her daughter in that way because she never had that growing up posossibly who the heck knows, but I think we can all agree that there was a very huge lack of actual parenting in this dynamic and relationship. And that leads me into everything with her dad. I mentioned this a little bit earlier in the episode that there's text messages circulating several text messages as a matter of fact, from different days where McackKenzie is asking her dad, bring me warm milk, Can I have warm milk? And that they're all in the late hours between I think the earliest was around eleven thirty PM with some around three AM. So people are like First of all, what seventeen eighteen year old is asking their dad for warm milk? Who drinks war milk Oh and Who would be asking for it in the middle of the night, she could get herself, like all of these things. So let me start kind of at the beginning. I understand why it is very easy to jump to conclusions and think that that is code, especially given the state of the world right now. We live in a very sick ass world where there is a lot of incest, there is a lot of disgusting things that happen behind closed doors and one thousand percent, I can see where people would make that assumption I Here's what I know, okay I know that warm milk is a very popular thing, usually yes, when you're younger, but to fall asleep. It helps you fall asleep. My mom actually used to give it to me when I was younger I don't drink warm milk anymore. Let me just clarify that. I do drink regular milk sometimes. I'm like a cooking and milk monster sometimes, but that's besides the point It is a sleep aid, or it's a natural way to help you fall asleep Now, do I think this seventeen year old, eighteen year old girl needed that to fall asleep It seemed like she had plenty of medications and natural remedies at her disposal to help her sleep, whether that be weed, drugs, other things, who knows, alcohol, whatever But I don't believe, and I could totally be wrong. I don't believe that this was code for them sleeping together And I could be wrong, Maybe I'll be eating my words in a few weeks. who knows I do think that it's possible that it was code for something else, maybe blunt, maybe something else because it also has heavily been insinuated. and I'm just going to clarify this is Speculation, not proof but that Dom, we know that Dom you know allegedly was dealing and a facilitator of weed and things like that Ben alleged that he was also Steve Serilla, Mackenzie's father's plug, and that that's how Steve would get weed, and that that's why he didn't really care that she was hanging out with Dom or that she was smoking, and that it was kind of like all in the family in that regard. So could it have been code for blunt or for weed? couldould it have been code for something Possibly, who knows? I don't it is hard for me to understand why she would just be asking for warm milk in the middle of the night so many times. and again, unless like She