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I know No. I totally mess up. racous All right, this is six feet under a Fanatics and WWE original production And I'm excited, our guest today. my goodness, a three time world champion, two time intercontinental champion, three time United States champion, five time tag team champion. a three time WCW worldorld Tag team champion eightight time cruiserweight. I'm going to need to take a breath here. One time WCW crruiserweight, tag team champion. He is a grand slam champion, a rooyal rumble winner. Hall of Famer. And the new Genal manager of AAA, the G Ray Mysterio? Wow. How's that for an intro, bro? Oh, I would love to hear it again. All right One more time. back. Wow, I can't believe that that's a lot of That's a lot of accomplishment in my life accomplishments. Wow. And they really don't hit you, and I'm sure you're very aware of this because you're always on the go.ways on the go.' never how many times? three times? eightight times? Okay. I don't remember. Yeah. I don't Yeah, you don't really ever think about your stats until somebody yeah, until you start reading them out and you're like, dude, I did all that. Wow I appreciate that intro. Well no, bro, man,. I've been a huge fan of yours, man. thank you. man, honestly. What you've done not anymore.. I mean, shoot, I remember watching you when I was a kid. Oh, Lord, he here What? No I hid our truth with that. h the last on the last spot, I hit him with that. He say he like, wait a minute. What's going on? Oh my goodness But was crazy is that You went into the Hall of Fame before I did. And you're still active. How How did that happen? So I would love to ask that person the same question because when I was brought up the opportunity to enter the Hall of Fame. I was like Wait a minute, it was Hunter, I believe that told me. As a hunter, but I'm like I'm not ready to retire.ike I want to keep going. Right. He goes, Oh, no, no, no, We're not asking you to retire. We just think it's probably the best time for you to put you in the hall of Fame. This was right when I faced Dom in LA at WrestleMania. So it just for them, it felt like a perfect timing. So I said, L, let's do it. If you feel it's the right timing, let's go. And little did I know that I would be the only active Hall of Famer in the roster that's still going. Well, and not only that, you've got to be the only hall of Famer or the only person to be inducted and then within twenty four hours in a match and winning a match Agst a son? Ast my son. Agst your son. I mean, you can't plan these things out. No, just just happened. It just the evolution of this sport is so amazing. and I truly feel so blessed for all these opportunities that have landed on my lap that I've taken advantage of. I hope that I have. I hope that when I say taken advantage of, meaning that the fans have received them very well as I have. And this is this is the big payoff You know, when you get to talk about moments like this because right We're always on the go, so we forget a lot of things. We just don't have time to digest them.. But moments like these. makeake you reminace and bring you back to those good thoughts and Yeah. Yeah, you know, we always we're always in that we're always in the grind, right? We're always looking, you can't you can't really unless we're in a situation like this, you can't sit back and think like, wow, man, I did this, I did this. I did It's like, what am I going to do next? Right. Which for I mean, you you broke in in what eighty eighty nine eighty nine. Y. So I broke in in eighty seven. Oh wow. So I mean, that's not a lot of that's not a lot of difference between no really. Yeah. And I think what You're what two years older than me? I'm just I was messing with you man m. was I wasing. I was gauing. He was doing some quick math. He like, No, man, you're much older than I am. I was so I was fourteen years old in eighty nine.ow. Isn't that crazy? I had no physique. They looked nothing like a wrestler. Why they gave me the opportunity? I guess and back then, like wrestlers looked grizzled like b. like yees, I looked like a kid with the mask on. That was you were a kid. Yeah Yeah. Was it true that you dropped out of high school, but your parents ave you the blessing for that? Or is that not true? No, that is true. So when I started at fourteen, I began to wrestle locally in Tijuana. St was going to school every morning, I would wake up cross the border Montgomery High School in San Diego and finish high school, go to my part time job, godfather's pizza, work from like four to six, two hours, sometimes two and a half, and then was done there, take the trolley back to the border Cross the border, take the cab or the bus to the house, I would have roughly about half an hour, forty five minutes to do homework. and then eight o'clock wrestling school started, and I would have to go to wrestling class, which I did everything throughout my day to wait for those last two hours of my day because I really love being there Um, but I wrestled for fourourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen till about seventeen, and at age seventeen is when Triple L. was gonna start. And I remember Conan gave me a call and he goes, bro, here's your opportunity You wantan to come wrestle in Mexico? Now's your chance I said, Well, what's going on? He goes, We're getting ready to start this promotion, AAA. And this is where you want to be. Like, I can't leave. And I said, I'm in eleventh grade. I said, my pares aren't gonna Let me just take off. He goes, Don't worry, I'll talk to them. What about my girlfriend Well, if she loves you, she'll wait. he had the wh pitch? Which she did. She waited for me. She even helped me. And and everything just kind of fell in place. He convinced my parents to go to Mexico that I can go to Mexico during summer vacation. When that happened, never came back. Everything just started That's wild. Exand can get bigger and bigger. My first exposure are also crazy enough to be able to say that I was at the first ever AAA show on live television and to see The fourull circle now is like that's crazy. It is it is really It just kind of dawned on me as you were talking. like you start there when you're seventeen. And now here you are, the the general manager That's Isn't it crazy? And ye. And don't I don't know that, you know, there will be many people that would argue this, probablyably the greatest mask wrestler of all time. Obviously, I give credit and respect to those that came before me My uncle being one of the most important ones, because without him I would not have this name, carry it, honor it. And before that, you know, the legends like El Santo, Mil Mascara, Blue Dmon Like these guys paved the way for us to eventually get to where we're at now to see Luca Lib, the evolution and how the sport is just so not not only now beloved in Mexico but worldwide now Yeah it's crazy. It is nuts. You know, it's crazy. People ask me, you know, who my favorite wrestler was growing up as a kid. It was Mil Mosccus. He used to He used to go to Paul Bosches's used to wrestling man. that's when I was, you know, I was a kid Man, I just thought, man, with all, you know, the mask and the different mask and it was always like which mask is he going to wear Yeah. And I had a crazy moment where So I remember, you know, obviously just being a huge fan of his as a kid. And then when I was in WCW, he came in, he was still working.. And I came in and I was like, holy crap. This was like mid nineties early nineties? Yeah ear early ear early eighty nine. Yeah. Al nineteen eighty nine It was like two times that happened. that was with Lamosris and with Andre. Oh wow. Like I remember as a kid like going they used to do the they used to do at the Sam Houston Coliseum in Houston. Yeah. they would do the live interview segment So like all you that's when you could get out of your seats and then run around the the podium Paul Bosch would do the interviews. And I remember I remember vividly Andre coming down like you know, the Andre toured, you know, he went to all the territories, right? And he was in for two weeks. and I remember him coming down and like sticking my hand out in his hand.. Like it was ye, I think I was, I don't know, maybe eleven, eleven years old. old? Were you big boy back? I was big but not I mean, I was still I was an eleven, twelve year old kid. R. And I remember I just vividly remember how big his hand was Yeah And and like it was one of those like movie moments where I was just like staring at my hand because like what have. was ye. But it was crazy to have have those moments. Yeah. you know, with people watching him as a kid and then getting into the business and them still being there and it was just like Oh, it's gotta be crazy. Yeah, It was nuts, man, When you were talking about mosccus, I remember being a kidal like When my uncle would take me in the locker room, which was random and he happened to be there, I would sit and I'd be waiting to see if that mask would come off. Have you not heard this story when I talked about working with him? No. in WCW. This is no lives in San Antonio I work with him. I didn't work with him. I was on the same card with him, right? So he worked before I did And then I worked and I came back and I had to drive somewhere else. So I go in, I go into the shower. Bro, he's showering. his hood on. He's got his gimmick on. So I'm over here and I just kind of keep looking over my shoulder because he was in the corner. And then like real quick, like he took his mask off He put it on the like the cold water. It was like it had a double spigot kind of thing. a double handle there. He takes his mask off, boom, he washes his face everything real quick, rinses it off, and puts his mask back on. With his back towards you, right? Yes. The whole time. Yeah. It was at a hard straight angle And I was like Dude, To me, it was cool. he was precting his g. E even yeah, I was like, wow And you were already a grown man. Yeah. I'm a grown man, trying to figure out who he is. Yeah. Like that whole mystique of wanting to know who's beyond the mask is it's As a kid, it's very intriguing's like I'm sure now For you, you're kind of all these young kids that, you know, are coming up through AAA Yeah and got to and know your journey to, you know, it's funny because I don't think a lot of times like when I'm some when I'm someere I don't think of Okay you're the undertaker, you know, I'm just there, right? I'm the same way. right? I don't ever think about. Yeah, I't I don't put on my character hat like every time I'm you know, I'm just I am who I am. That's it. I just But other people don't don't think that way right? No. It kind of blew me away when I started going down there and like every time we would be leaving TV Everybody wanted to take pictures And then it then I have to don Okay, Okay, there's there's a reason, right? I don't think that way. I don't know in that that frame of mind. but man, it is really nuts. So when you left Mexico, which what was the first territory you went to? From the age of fourteen to seventeen, I would just do local shows, bars in LA underage. so they would tell me, donon't take off the mask. Make sure you don go in there. J shal there. D't If they tell you or ask you for an ID, just tell them I don't speak English speak Spanish. Ning, Pon. So Conan did a lot of those booies for me. And I got to wrestle around my uncle and Conan and Damien six hundred six six. But then when I went to Mexico for the first time, it's like, okay We're gone, save money. Here we go. We're on our journey. We want to become wrestlers. We want to be on TV every week. 'cause that's what I was watching at that time, CMLO, Arena Mexico. That was the big show. And then until AAA kicked off That's when things now we had a competition. Now we had the WCW and the WWE during that time. So just raised money. they were going through paperworks. in the meantime that the company got started They got stuck in between. We ran out of money because we went as a group. It was psychosis, Damian, another local wrestler from Tiwana myself, Halloween. It's like seven of us. And out of those seven, only a few hung on ight Uil the very end, or I shouldn't say to the very beginning of AAA. But during that time is when we were living in a hotel. when the money was gone They gave us a place to stay at at one of the wrestlers' gym. So he gave us accommodations there. We would sleep under the ring, you know, barely made it because we had literally no money. I remember going out on Sundays and calling Angie at the time from Payphone like I want to go back home. L I I can't I can't do this anymore. This crying seventeen year old kid, you know doesn't know left from right and just is has this image of a dream of becoming a wrestler. That's it. And she's like, No, chill relax So she would she said, I'm going figure it out. She put her her career on the side and got a part time job and she was sending me a little bit of money until we got things going. Once it kicked off, it's like All the territories in Mexico I ran. rightight after the first show in Veracruz It was like every week, four or five shows a week. four or five shows a week. And it was Its so much fun because This is something that you're really passionate about and you want to learn and you want to get the fans to know you and who you are and what you do and just create this image of a wrestler of what I grew up watching, which was my uncle You know, And it started unfolding, you know, little by little, doing twelve, fifteen hour bus rides.ee to wrestle one night as soon as you finish hurry up back to the bus station because the last bus is about to leave. You got thirty minutes. Let's go. goo to the next town Yeah, at seventeen. I mean that's that's a really young age to be able to try and process all of that stuff. I mean, you were just living with your parents and you know, things are taken care of and now you're at seventeen trying to figure out. Like obviously we don't know everyone's story, but do you think I always I always think that that those kind of situations and coming up like that always helped me You know, the grind of survivales, on top of trying to learn the craft and to be successful and not really under you know, it's so much information and stuff to take in. I don't again, I I don't know everybody's story, but I think that element and I think it it It separates lot of a lot of people a lot of times in how how well they do in our business. becausecause they they've really had to suffer and had to evaluate. just like you say, like called Angie, you know, I was crying. I wanted to come home. Yeah. It's like You know, those are moments that make or break you. Yeah. like you have to either like this is so ingrained R in you, you know, it was like, you, I know for myself, ye, I'm, you know, I'm living in my car and'm bouncing and doing just about anything that I can do. because you know, I left I left college. I had a full ride, basketball scholarship. everything was taken care of. I got it pretty pretty easy. I gott to make to a certain degree, that's probably a little bit more difficult because you already have a plan And right? Yeah. know ye. And you let it go in order to follow your dream. Yeah, which is cool. Yeah. and too, when you do things, especially, you know, you're gonna wait, Ill never forget my dad who later became my biggest fan and support her. but initially it was like, wait a minute, son Wait. You You have a free education here. R. You can go and get this degree and all you have to do is put a little ball through a hoop and keep your grades up and you're gonna walk away from all of that And I was like Yeah, dad, that's exactly what I'm gonna do. Wait a minute. Like he just could not understand it. And then obviously trying to be what he thought was leading you know, giving me the guidance that I should have like are you are would do, right? Yeah yeah. Are you dumb? Yeah? Like you have it all right here. Yeah. And you're gonna go for And be a professional wrestler? Like, how long what what what's that going to do for you? Right? I'm like, Dad, I don't know. I don't know what that's going to do for me, but I know it's here. Okay, I was about to ask you, was there something deep down inside that just told you Yeah, go this direction. And I had obviously I had no I had no idea right. You know, where where I would end up and what I would be able to accomplish, but but I knew that I knew that that was the avenue that I wanted to take And again, like from my family to my coaches and everybody, it was just like, right, this guy's the stupidest guy on the planet. But again, and because of all that negativity, then it was like, oh no, I'm proving y' all wrong And then I got hard headed and like, no, I'm not going to accept any help from anybody. R, Right? Be you know, after the fact, like, okay, he's gone from school and you know, he's struggling. My parents like, canan we do something for you? And I was like, no. You don't believe in this. You don't believe in what I'm doing Right I'm going to do it on my own. R, which was probably I mean now yeah, it was I wish I could say yeah, I had the four, you know I did the right thing right. Like it was a struggle. Yeah. Like again, like I had no job, no training, nothing to do. so I wonder if there's something out there in the universe that makes you belieelve in yourself to the degree that You take the path that you feel you should take and that eventually turns into a very successful path, which we don't I mean, there's nothing that can confirm that. Like I go back now and watch videos of me wrestling in AAA, like the first couple of shows What what did they see in me like Okay, I had a mask and I was doing something pretty but it was like, I was so green. Right. What is it that they saw? I don't know, somethingomet that I didn't see so enough, right? soough right encourages you again, like, well, you know, I don't know anything. They know something. Right. It's that's there's got to be something here. Yeah. And I think too we're our harshest critics too That is true. Right. So you you have when you go back and you look at that stuff, you look, okay, well, this is where I'm at now and this is what I've done and these are all my accomplishments and all that Right. You know, you dont you don't have that then, you know, you don't you don't see it. but yeah. it's it's incredible. and going back to it, I think Um, Yeah, I think everybody like, o, I think I can do that or I can do this. But there's but when we met with challenge, a lot of times, that's the make or break. Yeah, right? It's like Yeah, okay, this is too hard. and there's that certain thing in certain people that say I don't care how hard it is. This is what I'm going to do. whereere sometimes people like, well, I really want to be this, but I don't want to put I don't know that I can put that work into it or that struggle and overcome that. Yeah. And I think that's what separates people from being You know, from being good to being great Yeah to being legendary. Yeah. And I think that's just something that some people have in them. you had it in you man. I tell you the first person that saw that was Conan. I mean, without him, I would He was the one that was opening up the doors for me to be able to go where he went. He took me along with him. So And I was about to mention that that he believed in you from day one. Yes. I mean, if you think about wrestling friendships, that's got to be the longest standing But I'm sure he's family to you now. Oh, yeah. But I mean, my gosh, I've been together since literally from day one. I met him when I was eleven years old. Wow. My uncle, he came down. He was big jackedub dude, was in the Navy, was boxing, and he came down at Tiwana and wanted to learn wrestling, him and his friend And in little in no time, like they turned him into a wrestler, you know,, which If you would have told him back then, he's going to become one of the biggest stars in Mexico. like, come on. But eventually he took the risk. againgain, another guy that didn't know enough but was willing to take the trip and be in the mix with all the top Mexican superstars at the time. take the beating in order to learn and to become who who he became. let me tell you, he killed that induction speech for you. Oh my God. Wow. that was so good. Oh yeah, I'm so honored that he was able to I said there's nobody that knows me better than him And sure enough, the moment he said, if she loves you, she'll wait for you. And she did. She wa, we got married. We just celebrated thirty years For me, eating healthy isn't a willpower problem, it's a setup problem until I found Factor. FactTor solves your setup problem with fully prepared meals designed by dietiticians and crafted by chefs. Millals are delivered right to your door. 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That's what I was getting to. Like Allia, I'll never forget though, I think she was like four in our locker room. We a Louis Vuitton headscarf for shoes and the cutest sweetest thing ever Dom was so cute What happened? L What happened?ike What went wrong? Is there something you can pinpoint that goes, Yeahah. I think the only thing that I can possibly pinpoint is I never pressured them to follow my lead or my footsteps. like they had the option to pick whatever sport, whatever they wanted to do in life. And I think with Dom there came a point where he was nineteen, had already graduated was going to Southwestern Coege Um whichich he was just masking whatever he was doing. Apparently he wanted to play football, but he was overweight. he was just he just he got lazy after graduating. And I pulled my e I like, Bro, what are you doing with your life?ike you have to get something going And that's when he asked me, he goes, I want to see if I can make it in wrestling. So the fact that it came randomly from him and I never insisted, I think that has to speak for the individual that he is now. L how he just soaked in, embraced it, and said, I'm going to run with this. This is what I feel. And every now and then when he needs advice, he'll ask me. He doesn't listen probably.u He doesn't listen probably way these days He listens when he wants to listen. I can tell already But overall like he I would have never have thought he would He's gained the success, he's gained in such a short amount of time. Four years. fiveive years. Five years. You' it for five years. So did it just make his head explode like as soon as he got like? probablyrob. I think so. ' you raised him right. maybe it was a mustache. And the long hair. The long hair is. The long hair.s got the brick brood mustache. The brick Yeah, man. He was so sweet. He was so sweet. There wass a picture I don't know if youve ever seen on the internet, right? Yes. I think he's what five or six maybe He had to be six years old. Yeah I s on my lap. Yeah. He was like, wow. We' talk about feeling old. Right? Right? Oh man. you know Obviously he's the, you know, the mega Champion now right? The AAA Mega Champion and I have to deal with him. I'm like Where is that little kid that's little kid What happened? What happened? R. He never spoke. Now he don't shut up. Oh now you know. He talks too much now. way too much. Oh man. But as a parent I gott to say it just makes me feel so proud and right to see his growth and to see him like take on his own path. Yeah. Yeah And it's cool because I think Um, It would be hard, it would be hard for anyone to say like, well, I got here strictly on my dad's name, right? I think obviously that openens some doors, right? That may and not have opened as quickly, but I think from what he's done in such a short amount of time. R. And not obviously, you know, you guys aren't obviously on the same page and you're not out there patting him on the back and right. I mean, I'm sure you would probably like to if he would, you know, if he had listened to you Yeah. But I mean as a As a father and understanding this business and making a name for yourself how important that is. I mean, it is. You have to be as much as you want to slap him in the head, you have to be extremely proud of him. Yes. Yes one hundred percent. And kind of just Let him go, let him do his own thing. I did feel that there was a bit of awkwardness or maybe even a struggle right before He became the person he became. L like he didn't feel like he was fitting in being by my side. And I completely understand that. So The best thing for him to have done is to detach from his own father. And and then on top of that, embrace that character that he, I guess he envisioned in his mind and seeing who he is now. Yeah. as we know, you have to you have to identify with You can be whatever character you write you want to be. but if it doesn't resonate within you right, you're just it's going to be man. Yeah, you know. You can tell that he is extremely comfortable in who he is and how he does things. Yeah. And, you know, obviously, You know, it's different from how how dad did it. Oh yeah, one hundred percent. But he is his own man and I mean, again, it's just something, you know, in this industry and how this in this business works. you have to be proud. Yeah. I mean, that's just to have the What does it have the presence of mind to want to, Okaykay, this is the safe route. This is good this will work, right. But This can be even exponentially bigger Yeah because I am so different from my father. Yeah, rightight. And I am making and I am blazing my own path and, you know. I like telling the story because U when it happened, That's how that's actually when I found out that, okay, this kid, he has his own confidence and eventually he's going to come and ask me for advice down the road. but it's just going to be to hear what I have to say then at the end Like anybody else, he'll make his own decision. During the pandemic is when He comes to me he goes, Hey pops, he goes, u they u They want me to have a match against Seth I was like, ooh, I don't think you're ready Oh What do you think? He goes, I don't know, I I said, man, remember, I'm gonna tell you this You only have one shot to make it. Obviously, we didn't have fans in the crowd. You have the monitors and it was more reserved than private I said, but still, keep in mind that it's one shot, makeake it break it. And he's like, yeah. I'm gonna do it. All right. respect. Pfect. Yeah.. mean And he did. And so that kind of led me on to the character that he is now, you know, Wh sweet, sweet Dom would be such a good sleez bag. Right? Like just a sleez bag. I love him so much. I remember thinking I actually can't stand watching him in the best possible way. Right? On TV. 'cause he and Liv, goy what a pair? Oh my God. Oh what a pair. It makes you hate him. It makes me just disust sometimes Im like Oh good. They're the modern day Mickey and Mallory. You ever watch Natural Born killers? Yes. Yeah.. Woody Harrelson. Yeah. and her name. I can't think of her name Wy Harlson Yeah. Yeah. Well that's when I see them when I see them together, that's what I think of is Mickey and Mallory. so Okay, that's enough about him. There might be I just wanted to add as GM I might be able to because natural born killers, he was bald. so maybe we can right? M it make it more belieable. I'm the same I'm the You like ites food for thats.. Okay. I knew Marcella knew what she was doing she made you GM. That' forward thinking. I like that right away. But Dom may not be the only Mysterio that's going to grace the ring, right? Well Yes, from just recent news We've been going back and forth trying to see if Alah was was motivated enough to go up to the PC and dedicate some time to training, like full time. She tried it out one time with me last year, October, She loved it. She just jumped in the ring once. I said, Okaykay, let's try and set you up to go up there for about two weeks. see if you can wake up every day and do this Monday through Friday. weeekends off and then back again Monday through Friday, she did two weeks and she really loved it I said, okay. Okay. I I wasn't expecting that. And this was all prior to her. this was Wrestlemania, the first one we had in Vegas Dad, when do you take me to the ring? When do you take me to the ring? I said, when you graduate I'll take you to the ring. So she graduated in July of last year. That's from college. That's from UCSD human biology showed me the diploma. He was, Okay, I'm ready. Took her up in October of last year She loved it, sent her again this year in February for two weeks. She loved it and now We are in May and of May and she's getting ready to go up there and establish herself at the PC. She'll kill it. So I'm excited. like this is I could have if you would have told me your kids are going to grow up and become wrestlers, both of them. I think you're wrong. The cool thing is I've never pushed the sport down their throat, it's all came out of them, like they wanted to be a part of this Yeah That's the best way. I mean, I think if you push it on them, they they they don't they wouldn't want be part of it and Yeah. I remember her being in the ring though with you in the storyline and Angie was out there and Dom's out there. Yes. And think it was punk, right? The saying happy birthday or something And she was like And it was so natural and so believable and we all want to kill him because sweet little, you know is already just goy. Yeah crying in your arms and man She's Yeah, its it's it's it's going to be very interesting to see her development, you know, for the next year. But we were talking about this. like if that really happens, I would I would love to create some history. Like this is a historical moment for to be able to have shared the ring with my son become the first father and son tag team champions in WWE and then later on feud against each other And we had our differences, but now with my daughters, it's like, What can we do there? Like this is this is a historical moment Because I really don't have that many accolades. I mean, just Hall of Fame, GM. I mean, Yeah mean really. What are you to the table? Why are you're back?re you're in the twilight of a mediocre career, Bother, come on. Isn't that crazy Oh my Godd. Thank Hicap M, you and her versus Dom. Oh, you and Alah against Dom. Alah versus Dom. Oh, Domen live. Oh Oh, Domen, there you go. I mean, why live up. I want save that for Aple eight man say you know As GM act that's exactlying it home. Rother bring it home. Wow I can't even imagine how cool that that that would be. Yeah. I mean, really, I don't know that Like I'm racking my brain I may be missing it, but To be able to have be in the ring, not only with your son, but then your daughter. I don't know. That's craz. Yeah, is nuts, man. and that's very cool that that's a possibility Man, opportunities. You know, what you could also do, you could do the handicap match, keepeep live out of it, so it's just a family affair. Right. Live on the outside and Angie on the outside. Oh someomebody might get hurt. I don't think it would be Angie That's I' say That say. to be so good. Ra got slapped by Angie. Yes I sure did. Trying to ruin our Thanksgiving dinner.hh Yeah. But overall, like yeah, just to think about a moment like that. You know, and again, a lot of things happen throughout time and you kind of oh, remember that time or remember this historical moment. But like this will like really make a stamp on Just in general in wrestling itself, you know, we've had so many Dynasties of families in wrestling, the von Ers, the guerreros, in Mexico I mean, the Wagners right, you know, Villianos, the Brusselss. But I don't know if there's ever been a father wrestler that has been able to share the ring with their son and their daughter at the same time in the same match That's really cra. That's crazy. Yeah. Let's shift gears here, man. When you come over from WCW in what year did you come over to WWE? When they bought the company, they bought it in two thousand in two thousand? two thousand, Yeahah, somewhere in there? Yeah, two thousand one, I think Yeahep. and, uh, When that happened, obviously the rumor was going around after the last show, they're like, Yeahah, well some of the contracts, they're buying out, other contracts, they're just letting them run out, peopleople they don't want to hire. blah, blah blah. I'm like, oh, okay. And then when it came to my contract, they JR told me likeike Rpe, we would really want to do business with you, but but, uh Let your contract run out and then come April of two thousand two, you know, we'll sit down and negotiate a good deal for you. Okay. And sure enough, that's exactly what happened. So from two thousand one to April of two hundred two I did something that that I really wanted to do is wrestlle in Arena, Mexico with CMLL at the time. So I did a couple shows there. Who's that? Yeah, I don't I don't know if I've ever heard of that. What LMCA what LLCM LCon' lookook it up. That was just You guys heard of that anybody? No, No one. Yeah. I don't think it's around anymore. Or it might be, I don't know.. So yeah, I was there for maybe two months and Okay, did that, bucket list, check it off. And then I went to Puerto Rico and I worked in Puerto Rico until I got the call from JR. And actually I actually thought that they didn't want to hire me because I had heard so many stories that Vince didn't like smaller talent and blah blah blah, like Man, I was undecisive. Like I didn't know what to believe. Is it true? Is it not true? No, it was true. Yeah. I'm sure No ye. Yeah, right. No, yeah. No I'll get there, but gohead. Angie were al Angie and I were already making plans. You know, we had just had a Lah in two thousand one. so It's like, okay, let's just see what happens. Let's write it out. In the meantime, I have work, I'm grinding, so we're good. And yeah, two thousand two, I get a call, sit down with JR, sign a deal The Rus is history Well, I yeah, I rest is history, but I know when you first like when you first come in there was that that stigma Oh, you know, of like, oh, he's way too small. right? it's just I mean, obviously you did some incredible The stuff that you did in the ring was incredible, but I think in the old man's eyes, it was just like, don don I don't think so. I mean, and correct me if I amm wrong, like I think you almost had to you almost had to change your style a little bit. L even in the way that you sold and learned I think because you know, you were so used to doing all the, you know, the incredible right, you know, the incredible moves, like I think it was when you really realized like, dude, I have to sell my ass off to really have get these people on my side. and then the key to doing that obviously is being able, okay, yeah, I can I'm going to sell, but I'm never going to die. Right. And then I think that's to me and correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, that is when when the fan base like dude, this is this is somebody that we can really get behind because right He look, I mean, he's twice three times as small as this dude, but man, he just won't give up. And then when he does, you know, when when you hit all these crazy moves too, man, it took you to my opinion, it took you to a completely different level. No, I think you're absolutely right So right before WCW was bought out That's roughly around maybe a year before is when I lost the mask Nash and Hall and then I was already working with a little bit more with the bigger guys. I had an opportunity to work with Bambam Bigaloo who was awesome. I love working him Um, and just just the the I got a I got a feel of what it felt like to be in there with the bigger dudes and how to sell and move around and be creative with my offense. But it wasn't until WWE when I came in that I really started getting feedback from the agents, from the people I was working You including Angle, Eddie would always pull me aside, you know and it was it was a learning process because everything was so fast in WCW. Right. So fast, so fast paced because we really didn't have a direction. They didn't they wouldn't tell us. Yeah. And here we did have to learn a certain direction. Yeah. storytle back then. Yeah. Yeah. And it was such a learning experience for me that it made my work much more easier and believable. And I'm like, whoa, this is I can adapt to this. It was just I've always been willing to learn a different style or a technique or a form of adding to to my work that is going to make it improve. And nothing could have happen better than to listen to all the people that I work with and that I learned from here in WWE coming in in two thousand two. Yeah, you know, I know from my perspective, like I feel like I have some of my best Matches We're against smaller guys because there's such a, you know, there's such a good story that you can tell. I know the few times that we worked, it was me trying to use my strength and my size to bum rush you and you just being too slick and staying away from me cat mouse And you know, once you invest in that story, it's like, o, okay, okay, okay. Bomoy if Taker ever does get a hold of him, he's going to kill him. But he just can't get to him. R rightight? And if you apply and put You know, if you figure out the story, I know a lot of guys, you know, Kurt and a few times I get to work with Eddie too, it's like, you know, what makes sense? Well go after a leg., you know you don't want me on my feet. You want me down. R And yeah, it's I knew once you because you had again, you had some incredible matches in WCW the match with with Eddie. Oh my gosh. that's one of the that's one of the most fun matches I've ever, you know, ever watched. Yeah, it was incredible. What And you guys told an incredible story Um, But yeah, once I think once that light went off with you, then the sky was the lim obbviously. I mean, with three world title reigns Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everything just kind of again started unfolding and presenting itself, you know, with the time, but but u Yeah, I again, we don't do this work on our own. you know, we always need that guidance that the right person opponent to work with that'll build you up to the next level. And the first one to to kind of like pull me aside was Kurt Angle at that time. I remember he told me they gave him three opponents to work with for a suummer sllam, which was my first payer view with WWE in Long Island. He said I chose you because I've always wanted to work with you since I've seen you in WCW. I'm like, o, truly honored. And he was like the first guy that kind of pulled me under his wing and was learning all these new methods of how to make my craft much better. and you just adapt it, you do it and back then we were doing it so regularly that it just becomes a habit, a good habit Yeah that you you invest the time and the effort to making it work and then it just sticks. Okay, then what's next? What do I have to learn now?ight The one thing I never was able to do is because I've always been Um, I've always had fear of speaking in front of public. likeike I' Yeah. raaise your hand to speak up in front of the class. Oh, no, no. No I can't. So for some reason, the mask gave me a little bit of coverage, but I just could never get comfortable on the mic as much as I wanted to, it was just almost impossible. And the times that I did it was like it came out of A lot of uh will to do it, but yeah, I don't know how you were. No, I could not that I was a great promo guy, but like I could be in front of a hundred thousand people when cut a promo. Yeah and not flinch. You put me in a in bag Mark Conway in front of fifteen people other I had I didn't want any part of it. Like if I had to be myself, Yeah, I was like, n, I don't want any part of this at all. Yeah. I was completely the opposite. It's so many times that I passed up on speaking gigs and stuff like that. It was like, it's not myight. And then I go out and, you know, do an hour at my Hall of Fame and then it' like this guy never talks and now he don't shut up. What the hell It gets you in trouble sometimes too. but it's you, I think redefined what a top top guy looks like honestly, because especially with WWE, you know, everybody was so big. obbviously Kurt and but I mean ye the Vince is, you know, his favoriteight right were the big big dudes. Yeah. and you you think you were able to redefine for a whole generation coming behind you that hey, you don't have to be six foot six and three hundred pounds to be, you know a top top guy. Right. So you opened a lot of doors, I think, for a lot of talent coming up behind you. Right. the fact that I was Hispanic, that I was the size, you know, N the stereotypical size of a wrestler. but on top of that, the We The stuff that I was doing at the time that was hardly ever like a lot of people I had never seen a lot of the stuff that I was doing, like all that put together just opened up this new vision for fans to go, o, this is pretty cool. Even like going back to WCW, like the fact that we were given an opportunity there, and there were so many of us L Parka, Hoving to Guerrera,, Super Cato, like Why is it out of all of them I was the only one that stuck there with like they're all gone. L psychosis, there would be no raay mterial without psychosis. You know, he was just so he made my work look so crisp and clean, like just amazing Amazing to work with. But obviously we all take different paths. We don't dedicate fully or commit to our craft sometimes. and that kind of derails you. in my case I think just the passion overall and wanting to be part of this and taking it to whatever level was the next level at the time kind of, uh I the fans fed off that energy and really invested in me. Yeah. At the end of the day, Obviously, we are no one without God first and foremost, but overall, The fans are the ones that give you the respect and the props that You eventually w to earn, right? Yeah, no, absolutely fans, but it but but it has to, you know, it has to come from from the talent as well. Like I mean, you can You know, if you don't put that work in, because I see a lot a lot of people get comfortable You know, they get they get to a certain level and they think, okay, I've made it. Were you wereere you like that at some point? No, like that's the one maybe to a fault. like I was never I was never satisfied. Im same way, right? L same way. fromom even, you know, back in you remember back in the day after we would do Premium live event Yeah. The next day at Raw and Catering, they'd have the monitor playing and everybody was I could never I could never sit there and watch my stuff. Like I just couldn't because I didn't want to hear, I didn't want to hear like, o, dude, that was great or that was all I wanted to sit by myself and watch and pick it apart. like man, I wish I had done this right here because then I would have got this here. that's how you learn And you and you expand and you become better. On you can understand. You can only understand that. Yeah, but you can't you can I always tell people and never be content because there's always another place to go. Yeah., But even you know, I go back to the attitude era. Yeah, right Steve was the guy., but there was a bunch of guys that were right there under him that was always, you know, it was such a healthy competition because everybody wanted his spot. Yeah. you know, Maybe it was gonna to happen, Maybe it wasn't gonna to happen. But man, it was that was the spot that you wanted to have right And you know and you just like I was never like and I was a again, I was a more of an attraction for most our not most of, but a lot of my career, I was the attraction. But even even that, which is a great spot to be in, like, no, I want to be I want to be even more. Yeah. And I think that's how I think that's how you last as long as as we both did Yeah is by always think there's more. Yeah There's more, there's more, there's more. Yeah. And's a, you know, that's just an approach that I don't know that I know there's a lot of people that have it, but there's a lot of people that don't have it and they get comfortable. and then they wonder why they stagnate or they you know, you have to continue to evolve, whether it be your repertoire, your gear, your personality, and you have to continue to evolve to keep your keep everything fresh and moving forward, man. I think you did say it best. like you never be content with what you're presenting. You always I was always the hardest critic, you know, going back and watching my mattress I knew exactly what I should have done at a certain point of the match that could have made it just much better. Yeah. But yeah, that's don wereere you like that? Yes. Yeah. sameame way. Yeah ye. It's like that. That's the only way you can improve and get better, right? Yeah The only way. I there's the difference between loving and just kind of being obsessed with it. Right? You know? Yes. 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Okay, I'll go I think the lowest is thirty eight Just gott to get. Nowll just get used to it first. Jump in first thing in the morning. A whole month and a half went by, and I was like, ah tomorrow tomorrow know listening. D didn't want to do it. We Now that I'm so hooked on it Like I can't go every morning. Every morning. That's the first thing I How long? Three minutes. Its it's at thirty nine. Oh no. So yeah. and It's like it's a must for me now. Like if I don't do that, I don't like I'll just feel like like I'm dragging throughout the day. But as soon as I wake up, I'll jump in there and I'm good to go. It's a mind game. L wed it is. Yeah. Like he did it for a while then he got all the habt And then like I could get bad h. You can't stop. You h in the road. No, no, no can. I hate the cold. Like I'll get in like, I'll do a lim, I'll stick my foot in there. I'll stick my elbow in there. I'll lean all over, or I'll squat down it. I cannot s I can't. It's bad hu. No, And I always tell myself same thing It'll be the hardest I'll do all day. Let me just do it first. That's the hardest thing I'll do all day at prompt. I got in the habit did twice And then our pump broke and hadn't worked. dang that broken. He went brok over just let it I just let it get dirt. Yeah. You got to think about it like what's three minutes out of my day? I know That's it. I know. And he goes by so fast. But there's certain areas of me that just like burn, they hurt. likeike they're so cold. My feet is like the first thing I don to the back of my neck. So I don't I don't stick my head in until like the last fifteen, twenty seconds But as soon as I go in I'll either keep my hands like this on my arms. Do you do breathing? I'm so controlled so controlled with breathing, yeah. Or I've realized that now recently that 'Ccauseuse I have carpal tunnel. Yeah. If I control my breathing while I'm in there And I'm telling myself, It's your fingers are gonna better. You're gonna start getting motion in your fingers and as soon as I start doing that, it's like I start getting sensibility and I can move my fingers in the water like that. Which is wild, huh? 'cause our brains really do our bra always our. Yeah, I know. It's crazy So anytime I have my hand, if I sleep and I sleep like this, my hand will eventually get numb and I have to shake it off and extend it, put it over my head, something just get it going again. Yeah. Angie loves competing against me Oh my God. I love that. I'll do three minutes. She said, I'll three mines. I did five.. You don't need five. You need three. Is still beat you. was Yeahah, but I did five. That's funny. That's funny There's not many things that I will let her beat me at, but that might be one Iaitit. He said let you. Yeah, capapital L. You don't let me beat you. but I just beat you. That's not a come on. Oh jeez. here we go. Here we go. When y'all had that match, I don't remember where we were at. Cleveland, Ohio. Oh, you don't remember much I mean ye ye Yeah. But no tell us O obviously you're the best in the world. You're the safest. things happen. He's already taken accountability a million times. This was all his.. But when Yes because you'd come off surgery, you were feeling a little fr. I mean, I'd been off for months and then my first match back Hey, don't wr, donon't let that bother you right. Wow. Wow. It derailed a whole not championship run that I was scheduled for. No No. I totally messed racist My thoughts always is like especially working top talent of the company, like concerns, like I've never been like stiffer. I've always been very careful But for some reason, that one night when I wrestled him. Look, it was him because you were in the air. He was the one that was. You probably going to say that you pulled me down and I heard this, right? You know, you know what I think what it was is because we I thought we were in the middle of a really, really good match. Yes. And I wanted to take I wanted to take a really good bump. which you did. So I think I think what happened is is when when you came off then I threw my legs up. and instead of where normally, you know, your ass would have hit me in the chest Yeah because of the angle that I was in, you just landed a little higher and that was I don't I think I think it was me trying to to I heate that. feeling the moment more so than anything. And I remember watching back stage and all of a sudden, you're sitting there and you just go. And like you because you see his nose like on my wrong side of his face like way over here on one cheek. Yeah and then of a sudden it goes And it's back somewhat straight again. We're like, The problem was is when I stood up and there were three of you. Yeah. that was ped to I pick. I was like, I'm just go for the one in the middle and hopefully I can catch you. Yeah, he said, don't remember I don't know which frraay to catch. So I remember doing the Centon And then I was going to back up and hit the ropes and hit you, I believe with another one or a drop kick or something. Yeah. Yeah. But then that that eventually was leading into the finish. So so we were good. I felt horrible. I really I feelt bad because I knew how bad you were going to feel. I was like, oh, man, I don't even want to say anything but yeah It was. I remember you saying at one point like, Ray, you know how much I love you. and if you apologize one more time, then we're gonna have a problem. That's part obviously. It part of the game. I tell you think for me so surreal because I've worked with a lot of people But just being out there for the first time with you and like just tucking down in that corner and watching your entrance, like that was such a surreal moment for me. Like I really was able to enjoy and soak that in. The older I've gotten The more nerves creep up on me, which it's crazy. L I want to go back to that feeling when I was excited and I had no nerves. If I messed up, I messed up, I figurered it out. Now it's like my head is going crazy and trying to figure out And that's not that' I was the same way. Okay. Yeah. No, at the end, especially because I worked so few times a year. You know, when you're in the grind all the time, you just boom, you just go, you don't thinkever you screw something up, you just know how to fix it and you go on autopilot. Yeah. But when later on, like, so you go I would go into matches like did I did I train hard enough? Did didid I get my conditioning Yeah good enough and do I feel, you know, because again, I was working with a lot of inergies too at the end. It was just like do I have enough in a tank rightight? Like all these this this we doubts. Yeah, the self doubt would come in. And then after the u after the big concussion that I got Rock at manania. Yeah man, it was so difficult because then like now I like because I couldn't explain how I got concussed. but he wasn't don't I don't think there was anything that he did. I think it was just my body wasn't used to the trauma. Right? because And again, at that point, there, you know, there weren't a lot of guys that could physically throw me around And it makes sense. Go back watching that. do you wasas there a certain moment? like no, there's not I can't I can tell P it out. I can tell U I can tell by how I start moving. Yeah. because I come I became a little lethargic and less energy and because I was in good shape that year. R. But you know, I was just I could tell by my body language and how I was moving and interacting and I' had become lethargic, but I can't sit and watch it and go But that Yeah. I think it was just the accumulation of of bumps that I wasn't prepared because I hadn't worked in a year. Right. And then eventually it catches up to you. That is so crazy. Yeah it just and then once that once the self doubt gets in there thenes. man. because I remember I was wound tight the next year when I worked with Bray. like, dude, it was it was like I was a rookie. I had never What a bad feeling. Oh, it was awful. I've been doing this sh for forty years. like, please on. I mean, I've done don't all these different levels and all these I think it was a lot of people like that picked up on it were like, dude, Or you thought they had picked up a maz? No, no, no, no, I've had, you know, a couple of conversations with people like Okay Triple H is one of them. Okay, okay. Yeah. He was like, dude, you're the he and undertaker. Yeah I couldn't hear it. L because I had like all I had in there was last year and yeah, you know, man it was it took me. It took me a while and I don't know that it ever it never really went away for the rest of my career. Right. I mean, I was able to, you know, dial in a couple of times, but overall, it was it was always that it was always in the back of my braind and it blows people away. They like dude, you had this incredible career. Yeah, but it's still, what did I do last? Yeah. That was always the thought w It it's just ye, it's crazy. and it but it happened at the end. Yeah And I think that's crazy because we have such I think we have such high expectations and high standards for ourselves right as performers. you know, that you don't you don't give yourself, I think grace Yeah, right. You don't be yourself Gace. I should be I should be that same guy that I was when I was when I was twenty eight, thirty, thirty, you know, but you just have to accept. You have to accept. You have to have to accept. And I couldn't do it. Yeah. I can do it now. Yeah, but I couldn't then. Yeah. right? So I mean, it's easy now like, oh, okay, yeah, But up until what age you did you stop wrestling? I think I wrestle til I was fifty four. four fifty four. Yeah. I wrestled twenty. Yeah. Okay. I was about fif ye, I think I wrestled til fifty four. I still got about ten years then. I said fifty four. Oh, ye. Yeah. about right. Yeah, Oh. That's why you wear that mask right.ard I'm covered it o love. Yeah, it yeah ye. The mirror doesn't lie. but yeah it it's just a matter of processing and accepting and moving on. And again, you have to and I wish again, I would have had the presence of mind back then, but you have to you have to realize that your reflexes aren't as fast. R You know. So but there are still things that you can, okay, well, I can't do this that way, but I can do it I can do it this way. Yeah. right. So you have to kind of smoke and mirror it sometimes Yeah. And I just don't really I being as hard headed Oh, I can it. I can do that. I can get I can I can, you know, I can get that lightning back in the bottle one more one more time, right? That was one of the big problems that I had because I wanted that I wanted that signature statement. right. know, I mean, I got it in with AJ in the Boneyard, but I wanted that match in the ring where ye, you know, I was it was it was two thousand five again. right where I don't think, you know, at that in those areeras, I don't felt like anybody could touch me. rightight. And that's what I wanted. right Yeah that that's that's what I wanted Yeah. And it is what it wasn't going to happen. and I was just notot smart enough to figure that out.. But you're incredible though, no. I mean for for eight for eighty nine to to twenty twenty six brother, you get around really well. You also got to keep in mind take like my Body weight compared to yours is which is a lot I think it's a lot less of a beating even though I've had That's what I was going to say. Yeah, for the bigger guys, I think that it's got to be much harder, you know, for all the years they put in the business and all the surgeries they've gone through You know, just the left one has gone through about fourteen of them. Holyow. And the right one, just one, just one surgery and sometimes This one feels better than this one, which is crazy. That is crazy. Yeah. Yeah, this is only a meniscus tear. fix it, but this has also taken all the grind for both of them. While this one has been out.. This has done all the work. Yeah. Because of that are your hips good? Are hips? Myips are good. I'm just tight Really, really tight. That's another thing that that I do in the mornings. So I usually like to jump in the cold plunge, get out, stretch, and then go hit my cardio. But I get get pretty bad at stretching sometimes. not gonna lie and I should do it more. Yeah. If I were to stretch Every day, at least five days a week Um, I would be Like I would be moving very loosely. Yeah. That's the only thing that I lack on. I'm the same way. Yeah. And I have a guy here that's just at my disp and I take advantage toimmy. Sorry, broother. The boy. A's call the boy. yeah, he's amazing and don I don't even take advantage the way I should. and my body is so and it is like twisted steel. like it's so tight and I realize that when my knees hurt and the ache, Okay, damn I didn't stretch today. and I'll take ten, fifteen minutes out of that time in the moment and I'll stretch, I'll get up, start moving around and my pain is gone. It's like so I know what I need to do. I just Don't apply it and I should. Which makes it more frustrating, h know? Yeah. Yeah. And then we wondered like' myself. Yeah. Comlaining Yeah. Yeah, it's I will say that and she go, have you stretched? Like no don't know. Do I need to? Do I early Are you ready to hold WWE history in the palm of your hand? 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Be sure to subscribe to WWE Tops Now mailing list on tops dot com and follow Tops on all social media platforms so you never miss a single moment. know his news a new hip Beb You got your hip hip replaced Well So I have so I had both hips done while I was still working. Okay. And you worked after. Yeah. So don't have I don't have full hip replacements. I have what they call, they're called Birmingham. Birmingham resurfaces're they They took so they took the head of my femur and they they open me up and then they go in there and they cleaned it all off, getet all the potholes the and the spurs and all of that and they clean that all off And then they drill a hole into into the bone. And then they put a titanium cap over the bone, the same kind of material that they use on, you know as the replacement is. And then they go into the acetabulum into the hip. they do the same thing. They cleaned it all out and they hammer in a titanium cup And man it it's incredible how how well like I could take the cap and put it in the cup like they the company sent me one so that I could have Yeah. and you could take it. It's like a top. You can spin it And will spin and you can w it around. It's so it's incredibly machined and polished. Wow. So yeah, I did those. That's why I was able to continue to keep working. doctor Edwin Sue at the Hospital for Special sururgeries in New York he did him. He's incredible. He said, you know, when I did the first one, he goes, He saidays, this will be the biggest test that anybody has put because they hadd only been doing it for about ten years When I did the first one, right? And he was like This will be the biggest test that anybody has has put on these to see if they work because you were going to go back to work, right? Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I told him w. Did he come to us Did he come watch? Yeah, he came came to. Yeah. He came to manania after just to see And Like I've had zero and this that was twenty ten was one of them. Yeah, so I'm w. Yeah. So I had one done. Yeah, in twenty ten and then a few years later I had the other one done. And they both feel the same. And they both feel I mean, they feel no issues whatsoever. he woke up in the hospital, I vividly remember Not having any pain. He's like, o my gosh, why didn't I do this soon? Like he had zero pain in his Wow. Yeah for being in chronic pain for over a decade to waking up and it's like, it's all gone. How bad were Th were your hips. Oh they were bor. they were b They were bad. Oh, they were awful. Yeah. What about your knees? My knees were same. Yeah, bothoth of them were really, really, really bad. And I think my knees were direct from my hips. Okay. becausecause the way I would walk and, you know, it kind of threw everything off and ye, you know, both of them were way, way overdue. Like you know, I was I went years being in pain and you know, I couldn't. With the knees though, like I had to wait tntill I was done because I don't think I could worked with knees. Yeah. I've always heard that it's hard to get a knee replacement and ye still work. Yeah I mean for me it's like thank God for stem cells because Like, yeah, my knee aches and hurts every now and then, but not to the extent that that the sideles Wow, I'm really thinking about replacing it. and I've gone through a lot of them. so U I guess stem cells have really been a game changer for me. Are you still arere you still going whereere you go Colbia or So that was the very first place I went to, Bio accelerator. Right. And there was a bunch of us that went there at the time This was, uh Early twenty twenties? maybe twenty nineteen. And it just that was like the first time my body had received like a full dosage talking in the millions. So my body reacted very well to it Uh within about I want to say almost twowo and a half to three months like from being in chronic pain, it was to No pain whatsoever. L completely gone. and roughly that lasted for about three years like pain free, one hundred percent. My carpal tunnel. I remember telling, have you guys done anything for carpoton? he goes, No, but let's try it out. Let's see. It was still like under development or you could say, let's figure out, you know, how much it would work in certain areas So it completely took away my carpal tunnel for almost three years. and I was sleeping waking up in the middle of the night two, three times because my hand just go to sleep completely to the point where it would wake me up. But that was again Every has been on stem cells. too. And then now obviously back then, peptides weren't around now now with the peepides and with the coal plung and with the sauna and the red light, it's like so many so much biohacking Yes, that you know, you're helping your progress, your longevity in general, not just in the ring, but overall. Yeah. You know, your health eating correctly, all that stuff like that's all huge Yeah huge important factor that that Yeahah, I feel like I feel like a guinea pig around here. Shes is she is the queen of biohacks, right? Like anything that comes along. We have a red red light, anything, the cold blunge, obviously, all these things come down the peptides Everything that comes in she'll just, you know, you need to take this. You need to do this. take it though. Oh, yeah. y ye. Yeah. She know as bad as like, I'll just Our kids see I mean, I'm just like, you know, Yeah, getting up. Yeah. getting out the. I dont know I need to clear it up. A Angie's the same way. Yeah. L she's she's my chef. She's my I'm not a chef. No. She's my chef. She's my doctor, She's always you got to take these supplements, everything's all Saxon? Yes. So she's on top of my health like but I thought you were gonna be like her, like when it's time for her to take care of her health. Well she's too busy to taking care of everyone that she forgets about herself. No. That does You gott to do these things with me, so. Yeah. I'm still struggling with her, but She's doing a better job. It happens. I certainly don't take them every day like I should at all. take them. You take them at least. ye. Yeah. ye. Yeah everything, you know, we're talking about health and, you know, the things that we have to do to keep us you know, keep our motors running.ight. You've got what a thirty what four year career You've done everything there is to do. And what What's left for Ray Mysterio manan, recently I've been asking myself that question Angie and I will sit down and kind of or we like, what is there left to do? There's really nothing left to do. There was really never a list of things that we needed to do or accomplish U Obviously when your career starts expanding and panning out the way it has, it's like, wow, We've been more than blessed everything that we have and have done obbviously right now U to be able to see Uh, my daughter now be able to grow and uh kind of be there for her since I was gone for so long, just like I was with Dom, you know, being on the road they know they can both count on me whenever they want. So being there for Alah, if she ever needs any guidance or advice or anything that can help her push forward to following this dream that she has right now. And again, she might be there for a year and she might say, Dad, I thought this was for me and maybe it's not. So I said, donon't feel pressured that you have to be here. This is It's gott to come from in here.. You gotta feel it. And the other thing is beinging able to pass down some of the knowledge that I've gotten over the years, you know, especially being down in AAA, you know, the company where everything pretty much began for me. My first opportunity to beA on national television, if there's anything I can do, pass on, help, create, you know, thats that's a win for me. payt back A little bit of of the much that they gave me. so R. Yeah. So being the greatest mask wrestler of all time In your opinion, I don't want to put you on the spot But who's the next Great, Luchador. Wow, I see so many up and coming stars and like at the time, Dragon was right by my side and I see a lot of similarities U, in Dragon Lee that that I had growing up and being part of this business. like he's always willing to learn, asking for advice, a lot of raay mystero is in him. I love him by the way. Yeah. when he kind chall Yeah Yeah, he's such a good de and always wanting to do the best he. Yeah, that he can, right. Yeah. I was telling Andie, I said he reminds me so much. and and I've been able to to hang out with him and his family outside of the wrestling world and to see the time and dedication that he gives his wife and his two little girls is like, man, I I envy that because I wasn't like that when I was twenty nine years old. know, So that's like props to him. I really admire him for having his head straight on his shoulders and walking the right path and doing the right things notot just for him, but to provide for his family. That speaks highly of who he is. But Dragon Lee, then Penta comes along and I see Penta and I'm like, whoa, Penta's brother, Ray Fhennix is incredible as well. It's just There's so many names you can pick that you can say, Oh these guys are the next guys.. Who's gonna be the one? That's gonna be up to them. And I think answer. P's gonna Penta's already figuring it out. Yeah, you know, and I mean whoo can help you out and being the next guy, you just have to put into work and leararn and he knows that I'll be here if he ever gets stuck with anything to help him out. I can only guide him so much and he has to do the rest. Yeah. first I think he has a really a really cool approach because he's separating himself. Yes. I think he he stands he stands out from from you know the other guys. Yeah just because of his personality and things like that. Yeah. So yeah, you can definitely tell that he's He's thinking differently. Yes. And I think he's had that from day one, even before he came to to WWE like from AAA to wherever he's been, like he's he's had this concept of what it is to stand out in his mind, that it has definitely stamped everybody with his name. So yeah, and he's such an incredible wrestler too. Yes. incredible. very Um very original, very creative, and you know, it was always on top of things. So right. That's yeah, it's going to be fun to watch to see who the Yeah next Ray Mysterio I think we're seeing them now Yeah. No, there's there's some some really talented dudes out there that that are exciting and fun to watch and bringing that that Luch style. Yeah which is it's crazy. Like, you know, I was like you can be a fan of it, but it's just like, ye it's not mys it's not my bag, right? Right right. I have to I have to admit that it's really it's growing, it's really growing on me, man. and watch those guys do their thing and It's just like, I don't know how they did that and got up. Do you feel like the sport has completely done at three hundred and sixty and Like the style has completely shifted it to a different style, or is it just likeike when you see the L Chaiba stuff is when you get to see the high flyinger. Well I think what they're doing it's not just high flying now. What I can see happening and what we're trying to do is have that Lucha style and then also wrap a story around it. And when you can combine, instead of it just being a spectacle and having two dudes do these incredible moves, if we can wrap a story inside of it, make all that makes sense, I think that's gonna be a win win and a huge growth opportunity because people For the business in general, you know, the business has definitely changed. Yeah. And I think in a lot of ways it's changed for the good But I still think there's a lot of elements that have gotten lost within the storytelling part of it Again, if we can if we can figure out a way to combine it all and make things make a little more sense. Yeah. you know, I think man, the wrestling business is going to be it's going to continue to grow and you know, mean, the talent is there It's just I think, you know, a little bit of of reining in a little bit. Yeah and wrap some more story. I think man, it's exciting. it's got to be. It's got to be for you, especially, you know, being able to to deal with a completely different roster than you're accustomed to. And the fact that again, you walk in there and you don't think nothing of it, but they look at you like s He's our boss. Like he's our boss. Like that in what the hell does this guy know about Lua Libre? They would never have I heard that. Never, never. they respect your work, takeake But it is it is cool to see The evolution I know exactly what you're saying about. like a lot of elements have been lost. And as you were saying that, I was thinking of a couple that I've spoken to some of the talent that comes from here over to the AAA shows. Joaquin Wild being one of them And I told him, if you can just add this to this, you're going to bring that back. That's never been seen or done. We' here. so what old can be new again? Of course It always is. Yeah. Yeah. It always is. So that's very, very exciting time there be u u Head of AAA and GM, right? A It machine is czy position. No no. It's crazy.. The amount of phone calls And text that I get, I can imagine. Me too, just for you. People wanting to come downid. Yeah. I was like I've been blown away. likeike it's like it is never ending and then I'll look at them and I'll think, oh man, they're ribbing me. Just randomly text. Just randomly te. Hey man. if you Tex here. I'm going to put you on a covert recruiting mission.. Hey go so and so's trailer and see what they're doing there But no, man. Yeah, How's the I know you were doing an animated series. Are we making progress with? So we we released are it's Ray mysterial versus the darkness We released it in twenty twenty three, December of twenty twenty three. We released it's a ten epode one season ten episode show of an animated cartoon that we created In December of twenty three, we released five episodes and then in February of twenty four, we released the other five. And it's out in Latin America. At the time they were going through some sales and purchases with Cartoon Network and Latin America and we kind of got lost in the transition. So what we're doing now is we bought the project ourselves. We are trying to bring it over to the U.S. and see if we can find the right partnership to be able to display it. You know, a lot of the of the fans that have seen it really love this. So feedback is always very helpful. that we know if we're going in the right direction or not, but it's Ray Mysterial versus the Darkness. We're looking for a distributor here in the States. you know, animation, bro, that's that's the ticket. It's it's better than real movies. That was so long to take too. It was so time consuming. I did all the voiceovers for all the ten episodes In English and in Spanish. They said, let's do it in English too. So when we do come over to the states, so everything's all done. All we need to do is just shop it around. But yeah, it was interesting to be able to do like the voiceovers in both languages. It was a learning process for me, whichich I really loved. opens another door for a whole other career. Right. Right man. I love it. Hey man, can't thank you enough. I know you're a busy man.'re running you're running AAA and you get your WWE commitments. Nobody else take take care. You got a TCB man. But we always we appreciate you making time for us And I just like catching up. You're one of my favorite people. Thank you in the world. Thank you. You're a genuinely really, really good dude that always always enjoy seeing, man. than you spending good time with us, man. Thank you guys. Thank Thank you much so much. I really love being here. Thank you for the invite hope we can uh