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We'll be voyagers together tonight off to Dreamland. whether you're a voyager fan or you're fan of voyages Or you're just looking for a distraction? Welcome to Sleep with me by the way. if you're new coming back for a visit or you've been here all long or anywhere in between I'm really glad you're here. I'm here to kind of try to do my best to keep you company Take your mind off of stuff. seeee if I can help you fall asleep. and strive to bring you sleepy joy and delight in the deep dark night U and just to try to help you out. So you could get some comfort or some ease or you could drift off into dreamland. Now the show's a bit different It's normally a little bit silly. I guess it's kind of silly. I like saying Voyager or there's a I don't know where I think it was maybe in the Canada Pavilion and Apcot Center. there was a band with The French voyages or however you say it. I think it's pretty close. I mean, at least for me, about as close as you'll get band with that in there And then there's a fantastic voyage But yeah, I'm here uh We like we'll be on an hour long voyage together uh was full of meanders So yeah, the show, I guess that's one thing that's different. Many podcasts go on meanders. And a lot of times it's unintentional And in this show, it's both in it's intentionally unintentional and unintentionally intentional. It could be another broadway. I think that would be a Bob Faossey style number the dancing to Intentionally unintentional and unintentionally intentional could be a really good I don't know, should we use that? I don't think we could close out before the intermession with that But maybe we could maybe because it's like is set for Yeah, because it's set forth the inevitable conclusion of A two or act three I guess if is are in a three structure two X structure. I mean, I'm in my third or fourth act to my u But you like intentionally unintentional It definitely has a ring to it.ional intentionally unintentional sounds better than unintentionally intentional Has a nice like so soab it's nice and syllabic u intntentionally unintentional How come I mean, that's always a question. I say, how come that sounds better than the other reverse And how come no one gives compliments like you're very sllabical love how they you say I'm a sl like a slab like no, no. Sllabical That's not a word Yeah, it is. it's in you have wonderful syllables you you have wonderful you're actually a word. I'm speaking to you I don't know if you knew that intentionally unintentional. And u You're wonderfully syab syllabic It's just my pronunciation is a bit slavic and SLOB notot syllabic So it's just my pronunciation can be sloppy. I'm just that's one of my I think as I'm trying to put people' sleep. But anyway, holy cow this is very I forgot I already forgot this is the very beginning of the podcast, notot even the intro So I'm glad you're here. Whatever brought you here, I hope I can help you out. We got coming up with support because paying for the show for most people is optional. Then a long meandering intrument to ease you into bedtime and help you wind down And then about twenty five minutes from now we'll be covering an episode of I believe Star Trek Voyager But I haven't recorded the episode yet. So I'm glad you're here you are so welcome here. I really hope that we can help you out. I yearn and strive. really hope I can help you fall asleep And if this podcast changes your life on a regular basis and you want to be a part of this thing because you'd missed the showuff who was gone. You want to be a part of it for you and everybody else that listens you could support a spons or support the show directly. 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Now Pascal recently signed up to support the show and said that they thought I was an old retired dude just doing this in my free time until they realized how many people and how much work it takes to make a podcast like this Pascal said, you know, I've spent tons of money on useless CRA to the P and stuff I didn't even need or never even worked. Man, I have to support this podcast. It's common sense. So if you share those goals, if you want to be a part of this thing like Pascal, this show has brought you comfort relief made you feel less alone in the deep dark night. You do like it being around. You do want to see it here long into the future. Please right now consider supporting the show because if you're the one Almost ready to go. You're the only one listening It really does come down to you If you share those goals, supporting the show right now. 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Don't forget if you haven't heard about sururpriseed by Scooter, if you're spreading the word about the show, you're tagging me in social media or emailing me through the form on our website. I'm going to surprise some people who are spreading the word about the show, just letting people genuinely know about their experience with the podcast with subscriptions to Sleep with mee pllus, maybe a personal video Maybe some stickers, who knows? So get out there and be surprised by scoots Thanks everybody. What' do you say? We get on with the show I h are you up all night tossing, turning, mind racing Trouble getting to sleep, trouble staying asleep, Well, welcome This is Sleep withith me, the podcast that puts you to sleep, but we do with a bedtime story. All you need to do is get in bed, turn out the lights supp pressed. play I'm gonna do the rest. And what I'm going to attempt to do is create a safe place where you could set aside Whatever's keeping you awake. that could be thoughts on your mind, thoughts about the past, the present, the future, thoughts that are just coming up at bedtime it's they say there better time C we discuss this in another time Or where did it like Where didd you even come from And one thing I've learned and not to already go off topic again this early. You see a kind of u Total shift. Where normally my I would say, where you even come where didd you even come from one way? But as I've like made the show and only sometimes can I have that wonderful side of the tonal. Hey, where'd she even come from, huh You're a sant likeike with a little bit of kindness, a little bit of amusement, a little bit of curiosity But also a preference that I say because because could we is there any chance we could cover this tomorrow And most of the time It's no No, no, no, this' really important right now Okay, u All right. so even that pause is kind of in that same thing. That's kind of I don't know if that makes sense It makes sense to me. and it's only something I've learned throughrough making the show and hearing from all the people that listen So it could be thoughts. It could be feelings about those thoughts or feelings that are just there also feelings making an appearance They two they do tend they never tend to be a duo. They come in much more and more of an octo. Opto orpta. because they make multiple appearances, you know it was I didn't even know Do my thoughts and feelings need to be combined in only prime numbers And also have a lot of thoughts and feelings about about prime numbers. They are prime. Oh boy are you primed primed for bedtime evenven though it you say, hey, can we do let me but that's what this show does, keep you company and take your mind off of stuff. whereere those prime number feelings and thoughts You really are prime here. holy cow. So glad you're here thoughts, feelings, physical sensations. Changes in time, temperature routine You could be going through something, you could be getting over something, you could be in the middle of something. Whatever it is. I'm here to keep you company and take your mind off of it so you could fall asleep. versus putting your sleep, but the reason I run through some of that stuff is so you get a sense you're in good company that you're with other people. Who who no, I call it the Deep Dark Kight for a reason We've experienced non positive Time. with getting to sleep, staying asleep, falling asleep, waking up by They with other people that that share Y feelings about bedtime or closely aligned with them. or who want to foster the sense of caring For whatever is it's keeping you awake because I've been there and a lot of other people have been there, including people around the world listening to me right now with you Ben S who came here for a similar reason that brought you here. And some of those listeners have been listening to the show for a long time or they listen to a lot of episodes And they are in their bed or winding down somewhere And they are thinking fondly of you They're sending you carrying the rooting for you And they're hoping this podcast can help you like it help them. They're sending their kindness across a deep dark night. And there's other listeners who are receiving this kindness along with you. if you're open to it, you don't even have to. You could let it this is the one podcast where you could be like a rubber wall like any kind of used to I prefer if that kind is just bounnce right now. I'm not ready for it. let it bounce off me And this I mean, I don't want to brag, but I think this is one of the few places that would foster. Oh yeah You don't even have to accept our kindness. You could let it reflect off you And you can pick it up later if you want to. It'll be there. It's It's shelf it's fl like if it bounces off you on the floor, it's floor stable. It u because it's not neither a solid nor plasma nor a gas nor liquid. It's kind of It's totally like It's resilient in We're glad you're here because we've been there or someplace similar and we get it And that's that's it and you can if you stick around, the show helps you out. you could be on both of those sides. You could be sending the kindness and receiving it at the same time or saying maybe later. I'm not I'm not really open to kindness right now or any of that other stuff. And I it's totally fine. You would like This show is built on a foundation of that comes from the deepest part of me. I say, No, I prefer not The smile that smile I prefer if you don't smile at me Please, you know, what if I just watch your kindness from You know, not quite a mile, but close Like a three one hundred yards I'll be a hundred yards from the party and I'll be enjoy don't worry. I'll be enjoying myself. That's kind of what my insides are like sometimes. And so I'm glad you're here And the way this show works beyond that, beyond us believing me believing you deserve a good night's sleep You deserve enough rests, your life is more manageable tomorrow and on a regular basis You deserve a bedime. You don't have to dread that you could look forward to or at least feel neutral about and, uh Yeah, that like the spodcast could be a part of that for you because That's why we make it. And the way it works is I send my voice across the deep dark night. I use lowing, soothing Streaky dlitones, pointless meanders and superfluous tangents. I go off topic, I get mixed up. I forget what I was talking about. And then I go you know, I to talk about superfluously sentimental. Oh no, it was Something else say. intangibly consequential No wasn't that either. But whatever it was I go off the topic, I get mixed up. my voice is not traditionally soothing And this show is very, very different. I already mentioned it, but when you get here, whatever brought you here if it was a search or you found the show by accent or recommendation probablyrobably skeptical and doubtful and you probably had some sort of reasonable expectation of what a sleep podcast is. And this show kind of defies the logic in that way. It's it is a bit incomprehensible at first and That's normal, right? Why wouldn't you be skeptical if you've had trouble sleeping And you tried a bunch of other stuff. you paid for a bunch of other stuff You had things that worked for you for two nights and then never worked again if you're like me or you saw you had it covered and then it came back like why wouldn't you be doubtful that this podcast could help you? And then if you expected a sleep podcast to be reasonable, right, Well, I thought you were going to do, you know I thought it was going to be like this. That's that is a reasonable expectation. This show is very different. because I've just found that this show over what we've learned over the years is like it works in a different way And I'll explain some of that, but it does take a getting used to. It does take two or three tries for most listeners to decide, oh wait a second in The first time I listened, I ye was not what I expected. I don't think I liked it. Now I wasn't sure about you either And then on the second try, I was like, huh I' know this is There is something about. and then the third time I fell asleep Now there are people that get it right away and then there's people that the show never it's not for you, right? They could be you could already know that right now or you might be on your second, third, fourth try and you're like Nah This is just not going to work and that's okay too. I have a website set up just for you sleep withmepodcast dot com slash No thank you. And that has other sleep podcasts and sleepy stuff on there. so you could still find something that will help you out And you just to answer a couple of questions to take you list to other sleep podcasts and sleepy stuff. So try the head But otherwise, give it two or three a tries, see how it goes. This is a podcast that you don't listen to directly kind of listen or you kind of just barely listen. It's like a TV on in the other room or a show streaming under your billow or elevated background noise or a lecture or a seminar or a class or a presentation Like something that you you just can't even stay awake to even if you wanted to. But you could also listen to but the thing is you don't have to listen So it's kind of like an out of focus picture. you could look at or clouds or trees in the wind blowing the trees There's something nice about it, but it's a kind of non specific nice There's something engaging about it, but it's kind of like a broader loose engagement, sand passing through your hands Nice water between your toes But yeah that also takes some getting used to. I don't know. I always when I was a kid it was like Those times I could hear a TV in the house or a cabin in particular that we stayed at a couple times when I was a kid And I could hear the TV, but it wasn't so loud. It was distracting, but I knew My grandma, my parents were watching like tennis or something It was soothing to me So something like that. It's also this is a sleep podcast. It's been around for thirteen years But it's not meant to put you to sleep. There is no pressure to fall asleep with this show. I'm going to be here over an hour so you don't have to think about Would I got to be asleep in twenty minutes? No,ll be here Um that there's people listening who can't sleep at all or who need a break during the day or need us something to listen to while they're at work or they wake up and they need something. I'm here to the very end for them and for you or if you're in one of those groups, I'm here for you. likeike I'll be here for the whole show whether you're awake or asleep to the very end to keep you company and take your mind off stuff, to be your friend. That's my job to be your boyfriend Porbay, your b sib, your boran, your bors Borlof You're borby, your're borman You're chairman of the boards, your best boyfriend f ever So just hang out with you and talk for your benefit. if you need to listen to me or you need to you know me to be here or you want to just listen like I'm at a mumble. That's what the boy friendriends herear That didn't even it wasn't even a sentence. the board but I mean it's like partial sentences are one of my u I don't even know I would I don't have a French phrase I wish I had a French phrase for that Yeah, I don't But yeah, that's discover like a discover A This you avoid like I got even my track mixed up. Anyway, I'm here to just hang out with you like a bud So that's what a boyfriend does. The only other thing I like to like run through is the structure of the show because the show is structured very specifically to benefit the maximum amount of people that can But it is adjustable So I'll just run through that in case you're new, you also have an expectation of how the show might be structured and it might be different So the show starts off with the greeting, Friends of man and binary, ladies, Jumn B boys and girls. then I see a bunch of other stuff to kind of set the mood so you feel seen and welcomed in. You know that I'm striving to bring you sleepy joy and delight or sleepy delight And then I might not get there, but that's my intention. and to help you fall asleep So you say, okay, should check that show out Then there's support so the paying for the show is optional So if you're new or you can't support the show or you're not you don't want to support the show Or you only listen when you're going through a tough time for a couple of months that paying for it is optional But it's not restrictive. The show's out here for you So that's what the support about is about. And then there's a long meandering intro separate from the support, which is a show within a show. Takes me fifteen to twenty five to thirty minutes to get through the intro And every intro is different so that it follows a familiar structure every time, but it's fresh. So it's like the time we hang out You know I'm going to try to explain what the podcast is as you if you become a regular listener, but you know I'm going to get off topic and get mixed up in a new way every time or a new version of a new way every time. so that You have this familiar thing thats also has variety because I don't know. that's just one of the things when I talked about whatever brought you here Everything else around sleep had got repetitive and then stopped working for me And that can even happen now and then I have to kind of change things up And so every intro is different, but every intro is not designed to put you to sleep If for some reason you falseleep fast, please consider supporting the show because there's no other way 's like one of the few parred axes of making a sleep bad guess But most listeners are winding down while they listen to the intro They're getting ready for bed They're in bed getting comfortable. They're petting, their patets their Doing some other chill activity. And u they're uh They're getting eased into bedtime So the intro is part of that wind down to give you a buffer between being awake and asleep and help carry you off into dreamland kind of to be like I don't know, like a transition, but it's also like a sleepover before we go to sleep. Everybody's hanging out together at a distance And I don't know, it just gives you a nice way to ease into bedtime. If you decide you like the show, but you don't like the intros, we have a version of the podcast with stories Bedtime stories from Sleep with me. You can find it any podcast app And or if you like don't like the ads or you want more story only stuff or more stuff you get down and sleep with mee pllus But for most people, this is like our wind down time together Th then there'll be support then we'll talk about tonight. We'll talk about episode of Star Trek and we do it in a very intangible way. I don't know, ob blique way So you may find you really like these episodes. and then we put out a variety of different stuff so that there's always something a little bit different for you. So you can see what you like So as you become a regular listener and you get preferences, there's so much there They could build playlists of what works best for you. O you could just listen to stuff as it comes out. And told, I'll be here for about an hour and I'm really glad're here I work really hard. I yearn and strive. We really want to help you falsely. It takes, you know, team of people to make this show And we all love making it because we know it helps so many people And if you want to be a part of that, right? Like the podcast has made your life better and you would miss it if it was gone. It's made your life incredibly better And you want it around for you and for everybody else. Here's the ways you could be a part of this thing and help us keep it going Hey everybody, this is Scoots and I want to talk to a very specific group of listeners tonight Maybe listening the show longer than a year, two years, three years, maybe even five years. And over that time, you've been listening the show Things have been financially tight, right? Well, Oive recently signed up to support the show and told me, yeah, I relied on the free podcast for years when I couldn't afford to support the show. But then Olive's financial situation changed and Olive was excited to support the podcast back when she could to keep the show ag going to pay it forward to pay it back. however you want to consider it. And Katie also sent an email about how isolating insomnia can feel, right in the deep dark night just lying there. A lot of us have been there and it's just you in the deep dark night That's what it was like for me, particularly as a kid alone in my room, even though Somebody else was in the room, even though I was in a house full of people, I felt alone. And that comfort is what made Katie support the show. And then Caleb said, had no idea my seven dollars a month could make such a huge difference in the podcast and knowing that and hearing that is what made me sign up to support the podcast. So if the podcast has got you through tough times financially or you've been able to flourish financially because of the support of the podcast And you're in a place where seven dollars a month, sixty dollars six a year or even one hundred and twenty, two hundred and forty dollars a year. You get that much value out of the podcast. you'd pay for it if it was a product in a store or some giant corporation was selling sleep with me for hundred and twenty dollars a year. Please consider supporting the show now if you can so that the podcast can be there for the people who aren't in a place to support it. And it can be free for anybody to discover it whenever they need it. It'll be around because of your support like Caleb, Kadian Olives. Thank you so much. You can support the show directly at sleep withith mee pllus sleepwithmepodcast dot com slash plus orr by letting people know about the show and just spreading the word tagging me on social media, letting me know through the contact form on our website so I could surprise you. Thank you so much Everybody. This is Scoots and this is another episode of snore Treack, I guess sleep with T andG, but originally is what we started. But now it's Snore Trek And this kind of season of episodes. We've been covering kind of something influenced by Uh holodeck stuff That's intrigued me for so long And then as I was working on last year, the Gasso season you know, the whole idea like it like a date' experience and then Moriarti' experience and this all came from a curiosity of like what if or what happened to the Moriarti drive which is not super important if you're new or you're not listening. It's just U like this idea of sentient beings or digital sentient beings or quantum sentient beings and Datis personhood in the past And it was Da the caretaker of this drive. What is going if more is Moriardi This simulation of Moriarty in this particular episode of TNG way way back who then got placed in a drive where kind of his he would create his own world almost or was a limitless world or almost near limitless world All this thing kind of intrigued me in and it's not just me because when you look at Well when you look at this breadth of work through all, you know, the original track episode we covered and then Grapesicon. And then through the lens of all the these different people participating in the Star Trek universe and creating it and writing it and enjoying it or as a passerby, which for most of the time I was. I mean as a kid, I went to Star Trek movies And Kon was a big one for me Um But uh It wasn't until the Mystery Bard and I talked about TNG that it really became the next generation And and uh And and then I started really enjoying it. But this was more about And it was just, I guess it was a bit of a rab hole And then I kind of was seeing all these different episodes in an endless amount of them. And last episode kind of touched on Wh might try to be in control of this drive, even though we didn't talk about an episodes we' talking about the episode. And I know there was just a movie about this on one of the services But this particular episode is another series I just I may have seen in passing one or two episodes, but I amm not familiar with it at all In fact, I'm even and I know there's a lot of big fans of it and and again, deep space nine and then this is Voyager have kind of called to me And, you know, p return to them in my my free time. and then maybe we'll return to them again U it is important th if you're if you just happen to be listen to this and you're like a Trek super fan a sleep with me Trek super fan to support the show in general, not just for the specific TNG content, but let me know that you like the TNG content And that's okay. If you only listen to TNG content and you come and go the free podcast is probably best for you But yet, sometimes people are like, I'll only support the show when you do TNG content. that kind of hampers our ability to even make the TNG content on a regular basis But if you're an ongoing supporter of the show and Your favorite stuff is TNG and you kind of let me know. that makes it a little bit easier because all of our planning and planning of resources is longer term because we make episodes kind of pretty far out. But I do like it but it's important like u to support the show if you really love these episodes. because they are a little bit less Uh likeike the audience is very specific, evenven though I think these are very sleepy I'll also say that if you're a Voyager fan, you may want to skip this episode because I'm totally unfamiliar with this series like it Deep Space now I think I had read stuff about it and maybe like U maybe I covered it in some other way in the past. Like it had a base level of familiarity The only things I know about Voyager is the shape of the ship and Captain Janeway. And u And that's pretty much it. otherther than that this is the doctor from this episode, which was the star of the episode Yeah. he I think made an appearance in a movie or something, but I'm not that I covered. but I don't that's as far as it goes And that there's someone on the ship that was in a movie that I just rewatched like a like a kind of class I mean to me a classic film about a comment And I'm like, man, like I was re watchatching it and I was like, like So anyway Okay, so I'm going to cover the episode, but pretty tang gently again, this is season seven episode twenty, author author But I will be referring to cat or remembers in a general sense because I don't I mean, I learned a little bit about this episode And this is another really good self contained episode. You don't really have to know anything to really get a lot out of it. And again, much like measure of a man with data. This is a powerful episode that starts I think what we could safely assume is a change Change So let's get going here. So the episode opens. I think well, I'm not fam. I'm not sure on the holllow deck There's a lot of questions I don't have answers to And u the doctor is doing at first I thought is this how every episode opens, but this is like a cool open. And the doctors' kind of using is this purple prose? This s is in the beginning There was darkness. Emptiness of a matrix waiting for the light. Then a single photon flares into existence Th another Soon thousands and more. thenen we're watching that happen on the screen. So it is like watching a painting or construction or three D printing via photons. And maybe and and uh And maybe this is how things are created through The Holodeck and the replicator. because we start to see someone appear. Optatronic pathways connect, subroutines emerge from the the stuff. Holographic consciousness is born. So he's a holographic being with consciousness And he's wearing a Like a leisure jacket or ro a plate is that Paisley robe likeike a Paisley robe or like like relaxing jacket or pajama jacket. I guess it's a robe And he sits down. He's talking again about potential and challenges He picks up a feathered pen, sits at a desk is he's right handed And he's writing in the first page of a blank book. He also has a pipe nearby and talking about the great potential. he'll fulfill then in uniform, but a much different body language Like is the smoking jacket writer character was a very serious But then he comes on the doctor in the uniform with the tel top Starfleet uniform comes in, he's smiling and kind of gleefful or joyous is how I would describe them or pleased with the his great creat creative work because he says save revisions open chapter one And he smiles again looks back and forth. It's like a big, big smile And then the show opens So we have the opening of the show. And you know, we'll get past that just because we want to get to the you know, this episodes going to be longer than And the first thing we see an episode of Vversion I'm watching two minutes and thirty one seconds in is the voyager coming towards us And it's Ctain's loog five Oh boy, Captain's loog let me rewind here Din's loog F, four, seven, three, two point three And it looks like the ship number is NCC seven four Five, five, six five six seven four six five, six approximately As it moves over the left hand side of our screen slows down they' be now o boy does this so this is what's cool and not intentional. L I didn't know it would be this deep Okaycus because one of the choices I made was to do more general episodes around these themes versus Bary only Be originally it was like, well Reg Bary could be one of the people involved in this whole drive But that ended up end up takaking in a different direction with because Barleay didn't app appear. I don't think so in the Besos episode But we get a immediate nod, which is cool. I think cool for the fans for the creators and then for us us discovering this. This is this is the commit commit captain Janeeway, Commander Janeeway says we're finally ready to begin Operation Watson And we kind of oh boy, we paying across to the bridge. Engineering, let me see. they have the deflector ready They got a feace they're picking up a face tank Yon Beam So it's engineering is like mustard orange, I guess. So we have two members of engineering And then two people with the maroonish red They're triaxlating and coding. they bring it up on screen And it's fuzzy at first And it's R Reginald Barley, Lieutenant Barcley at Starfley Command, which to someone like me is immediiaate good news, even though I kind of knew during my research but that was like a year ago, right? Barcley was had recovered L I had to follow a similar path to Barkeleay and recover from something that likeike I couldn't not do even though it wasn't good for me And actually just like Barcleay caususe me a lot of non positive experiences But it's Barkley and then someone else familiar. Who is this they're trying to get a message. I'm on it And it's Captain Janeay. It's a pleasure to talk to you in person. Its addmiral in San Francisco, Barly and the Admiral And this is a established the first transattlantic C link. So this is a big deal place in the history books So I don't know for Voyager if this is their first like regular contact, but it kind of seems like they're setting something up which we do see in this genre at other times. So it's a really well done. Yeah. and he says, I can't take all the credit. Harry and seven suggests a bouncing the off the syn quantum singularity you know, it's going to be a dayaystram prize and no time for small talk. We only get eleven minutes a day eleven minutes are better than none So great job, Reg. And he's already like he's still channeling his inered R Bary. So And you good to work with your thing. One other thing. Oh mister Bark who's got a small gift for you You and your crew We're going to send it over and it's an image from McKinley Station of Earth of North America is not too much cloud cover. South America is covered and everyone is almost cheery eyed Quite a view Thanks, Re Okay, Th then we go to how they're going to each get they have eleven minutes a day, right they can they're voyaging somewhere far away. obviously. So they're going to get eleven minutes a day. So they have like kind of like a lottery. one hundred and forty six isol linear sequentially numbered isol linear chips. I don't know if that part's important And they have they're going to have a drawing of that each ship you get three minutes of cal time for your loved ones. So I guess maybe they get three people a day And someone's got their mom's birthday coming up. It'd be a great present. Who else everyone else is calling? Somebody's going to call their sister Jane going to call her mother Um Who is the doctor N to call? Barcley or Zimmerman? No, I don't know. so they start drawing them Somebody gets number six. thirty U So she's going to miss the birth his mom's birthday in the doctor got number one Tuvk is the person handing him out People talk about trading And you know, because I want to talk to my mother wish it could help. But the doctor has an important call to make But another character guy gives this is I could trade with you. I'm not in a hurry. Okay, thenen we have the doctor communicating with a blue man. Not from Blue Man group, but from some sort of publishing group talking about the positive reviews the doctor' going to get Modern day Tllstoy And seeven is listening in Six to seven, I think And the doctor says, well, this is only a working draft. I'm still going to do revisions And then the blue man the blue publisher says okay, quick quickly though. We got to get this book out. He says, so tell me, what did you think of the characters real compelling Forgot their holograms But I don't know, I was like trying to sense if this person was being genuine or not about their compliments and stuff to tell. the doctor says, who's your favorite? Oh, I like Lieutenant Blank and then all ins time expired And the doctor says, she could have let him finish. And she goes, she says, Well, I believe you got enough props out of that So he's like a man He's whistling. He goes into some sort of working room And did you talk to Rege? No, I was talking to my publisher. Do they publish the Dixon Hill series which is also Uh, that was u That's another callback to the that was who Picard was At least I remember that. I mean, maybe even incorrectly Well, they're about to publish my work, holo novel or whatever holographic narrative And other guys says congrats. So what's it about And he says, it's the inventures of an intrepid doctor Sounds like fun thought you that guy also is a writer. Hey, maybe I've got my stuff I'm working on Captain Proton. And the doctor says, Well, this is sophisticated. And he says, what do you mean? and photons not sophisticated But he says, No, don' worry, I'll tell him. I'll think about it And the guys says, well, can I try And he goes, Well, it's not quite ready yet. Oh, please come on. let me try. He goes, Okaykay, yeah, I could use your opinion on it. your fellow author I'll cover actually I'll cover the rest of your shift if you go So they work together somewhere And what's it called phhotons be free Photons be free a catchy which reminds me of like it's it kind of sounds like a Like an old the original Epcot C center. there was fun to be free which I think was in the world emotion but photons be free would be a good I don't know which pavilion. There was in Disneyland before well before my time the thing where we got miniaturized And then they had that in the body, but that was a little bit different narrative in the Wonders of lifeife Pavilion, whichich I still wonder. why did you know what I wonder I w, w wonder. whyy did they ever close the Wonders of Life Pavilion Like what I still can't I still Yeahh I don't know. I like I'm like, when did that why did they close then But, uh, Yeah. so was did I ever cover did I ever cover that u do episode about that at some point too But anyway, okay, so Oh photons be free. I can just hear it in like the Disney kind of melody ride the old Apcot Center ride melody singing. I don't know if that's post Sherman Brothers or still the Sherman Brothers who are writing those songs, but I mean, you have to change it from fun to be it have to be a different song. there to had fun to be free to be on the move I'm sure they could have came up with that I don't know what does maybe photons have imagined. mayaybe figmment could let photons looose Again, I doubt anybody from but I did you know, I do have an entire reimagining the figment ride. which I'm like ninety nine percent certain would be effective. at achieving the purpose of Figman about the imaginine like whatever journey into to be a new journey in the imagination. So you could reach out. I may have even done an episode about it, but I don't remember, but have a very you wouldn't even have to, you wouldn't even have to re. could use the current ride vehicles. And we just remot like again, we like so I try to save money Anyway back to the discovery Okay, so this dude heads out. We learn his name eventually. I have it written down, but u Okay, so it starts we start with the beginning again. of this writer writing like the kind of whatever do at the beginning of the book But not really because he's and he says I, welcome because it's interactive. You made an excellent choice You're about to take part in a thrilling first person narrative. You'll take on the role of a medical hologram on the Starship vortex Vortex An anomaly there's an anomaly. so you're going late years across the galaxy And you got to uphold your standards, but you know, crew is not friendly to faux times By the way, you know, this is a ride. so you got to, you know, make sure you're ready. Now let me acknowledge Louis Zimmerman Creater of my hollow Matrix possible for me So there'd be another rabbit hole. we could go down the Louis Zimmerman rabbit hole U you know, much like the Daystream Institute and everything like that, But we you know, we like And this the other guys like how long I think he has a French name maybe We'll figure it out. but he says how long is this introduction Skip to the nine minutes four seconds. it's less than a sleep with me introduction In fact, it's like at least att least fifty percent less than asleep with me introduction.. to the first chapter he says, here's another thing, just putting pitches out there while people are sleeping. There's a lot of new Star Trek shows how about a little subplot with sleep like I could do a sleep in me hao like a ho Apollo sleep with me. I mean, I would like I might even write that as a song for that Hall us a haall of Sleep with me. but this would be hoo sleep with me phhotons so could be free there. Chapter one. Helper is born So then the guy becomes the doctor. He's looking at residence level. They like, Hey, we need some, you know caretaking here Can you come into the carecaretaking room? You got it. How can I help? Can you figure out how we can help these people? Oh sure, that's my job. Yeah, this person needs some helping And this one needs more helping. Okay. so you take that person over to the next room of help there. Then they bring someone else in. He's also made changes to the characters lookooks, I think slightly maybe And so then this character meets himself but he has a mustache. So in the hollow hollow novel, he has a mustache He says, how can I help? U notothing. Let me just scan you Okay, you need to lie down for a while and get some rest. and have to go are Marseill is his name Yeah, I knew it was French or French ask like a French city region, but o, okay. so he says, no, no, you got to help this guy rest. Now and he says, well, that's not how resting works. I gott to I'll go help other people while he rests. He goes that's the way resting where shift to rest over time. Tim takes time And this guy's like I don't even know listen hologram get to work to speed up the resting period And it goes But I'm just that's not a holographic capability And then Captain Janeeway comes and she says, what's going on? And he says this hologram's not speeding time up. And she says, I need you to speed up time helm like like for my helmsman Marseill And he goes, why I have other work I need to do while he rests And she says u whatever the other people are supposed help, will have them off unloaded to a pl another care station. There's one right here So you can get to work right now and this person resting hologram And he says, but you like I'm not Like it kind of goes to commercial because he's like but it got he's got to rest And they said ye, have him rest now immmediately Pagrram And he says,, So then they go to commercial on a good acting face, you know. Okay. so then they're at like a cafe on the ship This guy Marseill, he's he does seem charismatic And he's holding court with two other crew members who are like like laughing believe later in the episode like one of the characters is his wife I seeing that she's wearing a ring Um who's holding court for his wife and maybe I don't know if this guy' his best or what There's also Apples' available. Interesting to have bowls of apples. I wonder if you replicate that a bowl at a time or apple at a time in the replicator And then I also wonder Um I'm sure this is maybe it's been covered. I assume so that Is there like a farmers markets or like a comparison like how good is a replication becausecause u Not I don't have anything again, I don't count anything against replicators, o. I mean, I would love to have by the way, if there if you want want to give me one But I'm just curious as a person that, you know you know, thinks and meanders You know, like not they that there has to be a difference between a real apple and a perfectly replicated apple But that would be a whole niche thing. you know, Well I don't eat replicated food, you know So just a curious, but he's hold in court telling them about the thing and how wild it was, but that it takes place on the ship, but just everybody has a different name Trimble Tory Marseille That's creative Doctor thinks it's a masterpiece. I don't know what to tell him. And they all start worrying about themselves This going to be embarrassing for us in the ship You know, we don't refer to holograms as holograms. We're polite to them And we don't demand that people rest everyveryone knows you got to rest, Time takes time We better talk to the captain. And she says, Are you sure you're not jealous or taking it personally M you were the holllow deeck writer M jealous. he says Come on. I mean, maybe a little bit, but u Why don't you try then he says, Okay, why don't you all try the program, which to T Vk or whatever, he says, huh, interesteresting So then we get another Uh, thing. someomeone comes in for the to meet for their care person And then Marseill comes in. he says It's Marseille So Marseill's wife is the one participating in the Hollow novel now. So he comes in and he says to her, who's the doctor now Hey, you got to get down to check on this plasma stuff. We got plasma stuff downstairs But meanwhile, there's something else going on And then he's not nice to her. goes, you can't just leave like holograms have to have a mobile emitter. It's And she goes, Ohh yeah, it's a giant heavy backpack And it goes, come on, get your backpack and go check on the plasma She goes, I got to carry this giant back backack around. Yeah, that's your mobile emitter Don't you read the manual or anything? Come on. She's like, this is fifty kilos And he's like, you're you're lucky to go out and clean up some plasma. comeome on So she heads out She looked for this plasma that's got it cleaned up in a different part of the ship and People are talking about dilithium matrixices and Ferengi garbage and trying and she goes, Is there any plasma around? I supposed to vacuum it up. And they say you're not allowed in engineering. And she goes, why I got sent down here clean up plasma And they say, Well, it doesn't matter. you're not allowed here But I'm here to clean up the plasma And they go, Well, they sent me down here to clean up the plasma She goes, your auditory subment routines are malfunctioning. You can't I can't believe your matrix is totally like not helpful She goes, you know what, I'm your ship mate It' be nice to be polite And she was, no, you're not a shipmate. you're a program. So can you get back to work in your office And she says something about a spanner, which is kind of like a bigger square screwdriver But then she goes and u There's some hand holding going on. Marseill and another officer holding hands She was interesting. You sent me out so you could hold hands with one another, huh And a Tonsil like Tonsil like a And the guy goes, I'm just going to I'm going to have you forget about it And realize this guy's up to something Then we have Captain Jane then there's a new chapter Tuvox now the doctor. I think that's his name. And Janeeway's talking to him and she goes, I've been doing an inventory for your ho Matrix fifty gigawi fifty gigawis of memories, music, daydreams And, you know, your heartpitter patterning ten gigaquads of that u She goes these are ext extracurricular sub subroutines They aren't necessary And he goes she goes, do you have anything to say? He goes, Yeah, I think they yeah, I do have something to say These you might think they're trivial They make me a better doctor, better person But you're a submoutine, not a person J you act like a person and look like a person doesn't mean you have personhood. T lock Oh tooul lack or Tvac, I think too lack here And they say take the MH holllow lab get rid of these subroutines and another one of the guys has a goatee when I don't think he has a goate Okay, then they go into the next chapter and another one of the engineers is there They get on the elevator He gets on the elevator with himself and the gu to go T. And this says don't we should we tinker tinker with his matrix or what? he because we need him, you know, you know, he's supposed to be helpful for us in this quadrant to I don't know if we should reprogram him what if he doesn't work right after that That guy doesn't like howouse characters the thing then six to seven comes. She says I'll I scored him. She's wearing a blinking necklace Three of eight she is there and they say you's too sympathetic to this holo Matrix to So step aside And she says, o, okay, I'll step aside So they all step out of the elevator. And she does this she's got this wrist thing that she uses Maybe she does a dance off and she says, doctor, hit the road. But he doesn't get far because, you know, there's like the force fields So then they say, all right, we're escorting you to remove your sub routines And then Janewayays the one doing it. So they have seven of eight or three of eight or whatever and Janeeway and Janeeway' talking to Janeeways the doctor going to be dec decompiled And we'll like only like we're going to put you in deep sleep unless you need need u You know, unless we need you in the seven eight says, but he has a right to update his programming and stay on And one day theMH will be be they'll be seen as sentient intelligent individuals with a passion for life. Come on Just because we were thousands of light years from home. O day. this is part of the song Photons will be free. She says nice speech, decompile. And then Janeays looking at Janeway. And of course she doesn't like the fictional Janeeway. because she's a little stern thenen we get the wrap up like the post script of the novel from the author again. like all elements of fiction has truth, but this is not real. These are fictional characters This is about what it's like to be a hologram in a non hologram world of organics And Janeway says I got to talk to the doctor Or' to my ready room go to commercial come back and he says, what do you want me to say? This is fictional. It's not the voyager. it's a vortex. They say, come on, the characters are exactly like us. They look like us. It goes, yeah because I had to write what I know coincidental really. donon't take it personally They say, but it's the same ship and story as ours is real. He goes, what am I going to do? Write something that I don't know And so this is about the Voyager or not? No, it's a vortex, larger than life. nothing like our crew. none of you have done things the characters did and James says it's imaginative, but conceivable that it would confuse regular people think it's faction and they go, what about that mobile emitter backpack? He goes, That's a metaphor, man. This sort of feels like to be me carrying around you guys on my back Burdens I live with every day I have to take my emitter, even though it's small wherever I go uh, you know, that letter, uh color of scarlet different Jam we goes, No it'sight. That's liberating He goes, you might see it that way, but I don't see it that way And she goes, Are you trying to tell us something through this story? Is this how you see yourself? He goes either you can he goes did you know what's going on in the Alpha quQadrant? EH markarks ones They're like me, but they have to work. not in like a professional manner, scrubbing conduits and mining to lithium And yeah, so read between wines if it's possible Vedx song occupation of Bejure And Jam says, I get it, but think about how this makes people feel that are portrayed and like as characters, they're similar to them And he's not a taken. He says, Oh, I'm sorry that he goes, but this is I'm expressing myself and if you don't like it, I got to deal with it. So be it And he heads off en we get another kind of the be plot. The guy's talking to his mom for a birthday And his dad's there And uh, She's a teacher's mom. She goes, Hey, can you do something for my class about what it's like to command a starship? And seven eights listening in and he says, Oh, I'm not a commander in your letters to talk about being in command. He goes, Well, one time I touched the controls Twice a week I'm on the night shift. J all we're so proud of you. Are you going to get a promotion I mean it's got to be hard to have somebody listening in out I would definitely, you know, put it in the comment box. Hey, Is a way not to listen into my calls And mom says he says she I going to send Ctain Janeeway a letter. He goes, Mom, please no. So very cute and realistic Solar fllare messing the beam up. And mom he's trying to tell his mom not to send a letter She's saying she's going to and they could lose the signal And he's like, I can't believe this. is still had a minute and a half left She goes, Well, two months from now, you'll have another call. And they says, you don't get it either, huh bout as u Be you goes because you don't have anybody like you why don't you try calling somebody? Okay. thenen we got the doctor's log talks about the decision now he's not popular anymore, but I'm not compromising. Final revisions Then I'm going to submit the manuscript So then he goes in do some revisions. He says, run the program. An Marseilles there instead of him And he's rewritten it to mess with the doctor Uh which is not very kindind, uh And he says, oh yeah, you're going to like so he's doing a snarky version of it where it's about him being the assistant on the Starship Voyur You have to assist to this u guy who's over, you know, not nice and over the top And, uh Patience is a virtue though. It goes so it's I guess his name's Paris. So Marseill is like u Makes sense. So then he is a portrayal of the doctor in seven of eight that They're holding hands and the doctor has a lot of rules He's like, you need to stick to the rules. I got to golfing. And then he says, okay, one of three instead of seven of eight time two of three Oh the doctoriesason has like snarky jokes So it's a really unflattering portrayal of him. And I mean from my experience now what he's like He says, okay, let's put your you got to we got to do it like u because we're going to use aromatotherapy on this one. She has the same blinking necklace owners. she always s has that I don't know, I don't know anything about it. So it's interesting to try to learn The doctor' I can't believe this. So then he goes to Paris, Marseille He says, I can't believe this. I'm going tell on you. He goes, Oh, telling me about what? He goes you reprogrammed my hollow novel without permission hackney narrative that was a work of art. took me months to make. He goes relax, man. I saved it. It's backu Just trying to make a point. It was your point. You'res not subtle. So they're going back and forth. says you' like a for Fngi dance off And, uh, He goes this is not goes, I don't like how I was portrayed the guy goes, Ohh, wasn't you? similar to you, but over the top, So how do you how does it like so this is again, like this thing of like you know, like when people are like, oh, well, if you're unhappy with me, I'm going to be unhappy with you, you know, kind of saying. The real thing of the doctor saying if you could to see past everything, you could see what my novel's really about, but they can't see the past The forest for the trees are the trees for the forest. And then Paris Marse says Are you sure I'm not like my characters that how you really see me? He goes, No, you're a new married man about to have a child. think you're like your character. You got a lot of responsibilities And the guy says, I think you think I'm a joke And, uh St to fifteen. That's where the program is backed up And then the doctor thoughtful they go to ad break. They're both somewhat thoughtful at the end of it. So he's looking think thinking Th then Tuvi comes in S see, I got to talk to you. And by the way, I've been writing writing a cookbook And cooking with Nelix. So maybe his name's Nelix And it's a hollow cookbook. Could you couldould you get me with your publisher during my comm link? And the ge go. you looking for writing tips? There's plenty of other know it alls on this ship. And the guy goes, I liked your novel. I really liked the content. Yeah, rousing adventure Iort message And the doctor says, Yeah. And this is like is good reallyally good interpersonal work because, I thought the crew would be happy because yeah, you're going to reach your wide audience. Maybe you don't care about your shipmates. Well they're my friends You don' want to maybe there's a Telaxian expression When the road splits before he splits into, take the third path And he goes, what does that mean? He goes, mayaybe make some adjustments N don't do it all or nothing more subtle Not the Voyager and not the Voyager G, donon't change the theme And he goes, but that would be a lot of work And I have to have a final draft tomorrow And then the guess is, why don't you use my time to ask for an extension So this is like just a little bit past the midpoint actually at the So he asked for an extension. the publisher is like, but this is so good. And he goes, Yeahah, but a little too good l s I don't think it's necessary. He says, Yeahah, no, I'm going to rewrite it. I got friends here And the publisher goes, Okay. so then he tells everybody, donon't worry. I decided to rewrite at full rewrite. My publisher is going to hold it And people are still unhappy, but then they say, Yeahah, no, we get it. Thank you for taking our feelings into account. How long is this going to take Be rushed. Take your time, doctor Okay and then he talks to Paris Marseill, he apologizes to him He saysy you want to help me rewrite it? Yeah, yeah, maybe because the guy goes, well, I'm just into that other you know, I write in a different style. because yeah, lower brow style, but you could help me still Then we see Paris Marseill and his wife She's trying to decide she wants to speak with her father who she hasn't spoken to in a long time. And she goes I was already supposed to talk to my cousin with my talk time And he says, why don't you wait a couple of weeks talk to your father And she goes, I wouldn't even know what to say. And then he goes, Well, let him do the talking So then he's talking to her father and he's like, Oh the God, you're gonna to have a baby, huh And it's awkward, very awkward and the husband's there And then yeah we're thinking about we've been thinking about names and your mom would have liked the name you picked out I was on Casick four a few months ago. drove by our old house thirty seconds left. Shes listen toady got less than a minute. You actually have less than half a minute callalling me. what's a big deal And he goes, Yeahah, it's been a while, but I know I can't change things now, but I wanted to start changing things. You know, because your ship was like we didn't know where it was for a long time. So I'm not expecting, you know, time takes time, they say. Bath They say, o tim's up. and she goes, okay, I'll send you a letter any smiles and then it goes out But then seven of eight like kind of developing this deper understanding of this longing to communicate with loved ones which at first which I can relate she thought it was like bit trivial Then we're in San Francisco at the communications Research Center Re Barkcley and the Admiral are talking about this hollow novel that takes place in the discovery or a ship like it. It's very popular It's And the Amal says, I don't appreciate your affinity for Holo stuff. He goes, well, because this isn't a flattering portrayal of the Voyager Admal goes Wait a second. what? So then on the next time the cs are up