Final Thoughts and Tucking In

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That's talkatry dot com slash sleep to get matched in a few minutes. T A L K I a T R Y dot com slash sleep. Thanks everybody Hey everybody Scoots here and I'm checking in with you in the Dep Dark night and I'm talking about my goals for the show. And my goal is to have this podcast here. and free for anybody to discover it. for anybody to count on it so that it can help people. peopleeople like you in the deep dark night bring you comfort, bring you relief, maybe bring you sleep Maybe sleepy joy and delight mayaybe it lets you feel less alone Or maybe don't even listen to it. It's just a friendly drone in the background. My goal is to be here for you Night after night, year after year or on call as needed and to keep these shows coming out and available to anybody. 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And that's by going to sleepbaby podcast d. com slash plus signing up to support the show or writing yourself a note, putting it on where you get out of bed spread the word about the show or support the show tomorrow. So I love it for you to be a part of this. either by spreading the word or supporting the show at sleepingpodcastot com slash plus. Thanks Oh, mystery Bart, a lot of people help out on the show. whoo are they? He Scottie Jennifer I am the mystery bar. I do commissions I song for you any reason at all you could talk me the story You see the kindness shine straight on through ook Stacy Sarah, Julie and Jennifer You can support your scooter on Patreon, By merchant support the sponsors. You can find anything new Say B me Dt God. We're so proud Rusty Bisqu and L banana L transcript. Thanks mister Bart. Don't forget if you haven't heard about sururpriseed by Scooter, if you're spreading the word about the show, you're tagging me in social media or emailing me through the form on our website. I'm going to surprise some people who are spreading the word about the show, just letting people genuinely know about their experience with the podcast with subscriptions to Sleep with mee pllus, maybe a personal video Maybe some stickers, who knows? So get out there and be surprised by scoots Thanks everybody. What' do you say? We get on with the show Hey here you up all night tossing, turning, mind racing, trouble, getting to sleep, trouble, staying asleep. welcome This is Sleep With Me, the podcast that puts you to sleep. What you do with a bedtime story, all you need to do is get in bed and turn out the lights and press playay I'm gonna to do the rest what I'm going to attempt to do is create a safe place where you could set aside whatever's keeping your wake, whether it's thoughts that or you know that keep coming up Physical sensations that are distracting you from sleeping. Motions that are bubbling up, whate it is. It could be travel A change in routine Change in weather Maybe work the second or the third shift Whatever it is I'd like to help in, what I'm going to do is a deaily Earn your trust by treating you with dignity and respect M making you feel welcome I'm going to send my voice across the deep dark night. I'm gonna use lulling, soothing, creaky dulcid tones T Tones not tones I also give used to tomes in the podcast before. so maybe I just crossed my fingers so I remember that. whichich I'll probably definitely forget But Cicketlsa tones pointless meanders Rustified tangents I'm going go off topic. I'm going to say I have a lot of I don't have ums. I think I go do a lot of that. When I open my mouth I was never good at that as a kid when they'd say, hey, open your mouth. openp your mouth and say, ah And she no, I prefer say no thank you. And they s open your mouth and say, Ah It's no. at right away. Ayway Edward hopefully here you open your mouth and you say H Yeah. See if I could get a cheap sympathetic yarn Oh, out of here I think I just sympathetically yawned myself. But home Uh you don't I This is big point. Th are the kinds of things that crack me up Where was that I think I think I lost where I was because I was so busy pandering to the part of me that thinks yawning's funny Yeah, hopefully, I' remember Tone. Oh Creeakyl at Tes swing list me handanders filler words. Yeah, use a lot of filler words that's totally planned out my use of filler words. But what I'm going to do is I'm going try to keep you company while you fall asleep. If you're new This spodcast is a little bit different. It does not make a whole lot of sense It's extremely goofy It's extremely goofy like a goofy friend so Ideally, that's what you're looking for. give it a few tries try to relax and not make a whole lot of sense of it. You don't have to do that. So you could you can, you know, you can pay close attention to But I really want you to know I'm here to help and I'm here to try to help is so Let me help you by giving you the structure of the show. We start off with a few minutes of business That's how we keep the show going Then we have an intro The intros are normally aroundound twelve minutes, although they may be ten, eleven, seventeen, fifteen, sixteen thirteen or fourteen minutes with any kind of seconds in there And it's a bit of a show within a show, a monologue heavy on the log part for sure. A monolog that lands like a log in mud. you say bom blop But really it's where I try to make a metaphor about the podcast where you might be like, o, that doesn't make any sense. That metaphor. Oh, okay. I think I get it.. And some people use it to wind down the intro. some people sk a few people skip the intro. other people fall asleep during the intro. Some people listen all night And that kind of goes into my first point is you don't really need to listen to me. You can listen and I'll be here tntill the end to try to keep your company and to take your mind off of stuff But you don't need to listen or you could just stop listening to me. or slowly tune me out where I'm drifting further and further away You can lower me to a mumble if you wish But you don't have to pay close attention. I think that's what I was meant to say Nothing like a toome Also when I say Tom, I want to say Foni Fononi phone Uh That's another I think I've given a fl that's like a flavor flav reference But so you don't really need to listen to me Uh and there's no pressure to fall sleep. I'm going to be here for about an hour to keep you company to be your boyfriend, your bore bay, your bore bud, your bore cz If you're in the San Diego region, you're Barbara Whatever it is I'm going to be here to keep your company because I've been there tossing and turning and sleepless and it feels as heavy when you can't sleep, it feels as heavy as a tob. Tome to me TOME I don't know if you should I don't think you should ever get in bed with a tob I mean, maybe if you're if you're a gnome, it been You maybe you do like I guess you could see a gnome with a toome A Nome and toome The gome in Rome carries it to Nome was a toome in Rome, Come on, throw me your bone. doesn't That doesn't rhyme But because the toome to me seems heavy, it seems dusty And it seems like it's got that cover could have some runoes on it and you say, Okaykay, what's going to happen when I open this toome Or if you're assistant to like some sort of sorceress or sorcerer they say, you know, after you finish mopping Make sure to read that toem But not the tone was the blue binder, you know, the tone was the pe green one u for novices But you're not even you know, when they say, make sure you know that tone by heart in It's it will actually u I'm sorry, lady, which weird. I got to get I'm going to try to get some sleep tonight. actuallyually I've been mopping all day They said, what kind of you know assistant magic assistant are you? And it said, well did this actually happen when I took gymnastics class? I don't know if I ever said this on the podcast and this is a total tangent U. But I think if if I ever did live in a hamlet somewhere where in a world where tomes were regularly used And I, you know, they my parents said, Well, we want you to go live with Lady Witchbeard. You'll be you said you wanted to be a magic user. and u She's, you know, the one that u You know, if you're her assistant to her assistant, u One day You know, she'll school you in the arts of sorcery this same thing would happen which was like I took a gymnastics class Well, I signed up for like the introductory. My parents signed me up, but I don't know how old I was But I'd probably just watch the Olympics and I said, Mom, dad, I I got the Olympic spirit in me And I want to be a gymnast And so they signed me up for a gymnastics class And I went and I remember the first day we were a lot of the details are hazy But we were what's this thing called a horse Bomel horse. We're uh The one where you jump over it's All we would do is we were running and then jumping on the thing And I remember pulling the person aside and I' not usually like this, but I said, when are we going to be springing off of that thing and flipping? When do the flipping when's the flipping start And I said, listen teach, like I said, which I'm going to go get some water when I can start flipping, how many flips will I be able to do after the first class And whatever the answer the person said, and I was serious too. I said, I expect to be doing some sort of Well those, you know, corks screws, triple corks. it L Is this where I do axles and stou cows or is that in because I think I want to be able to do that in two in the winter but I thought this was called vaulting, not running and stepping on a spring thing. And they sighed and they said wherever they said, they said, yeah, we'll be we'll be You won't be doing anything for like six months. And I said, Okaykay, well life lesson I guess the wrong at that time I said I guess u This isn't the gymnastics class for me And my parents said, well, you know, first lessons free I think they probably learned that. So that was a good life lessons for them is don't buy the year package which hopefully they didn't do U I don't know what my point was. I mean, I think like I wonder if anybody's any gymnasts have done Well one, is there a world where gnomes are doing gymnastics? Of course there are Is there a world where toomes are doing gymnastics? Of course, Are there tomes on gymnastics featuring gnomes probably And this f can be a bit like that. if your brain works like my mind does kind of's like a Well, why haven't we made progress? Why isn't this instantly happening I'm sure that night, I probably said I mean, I'm sure the night before my gymnastics class when I was paging through my imaginary toomes about my gymnastics victories at the upcoming Olympics I was thinking about to this time tomorrow. I'll be able to do a double axle. or some sort, you know, I'll be tumbling I'll be rumbling And that's it, all my problems at school. This is really how my brain works. I said That's it After this first gymnastics class, I'm going to be an easy streight And then I'm sure the next night after I said, well So it checked off my list. I said, o, gymnastics didn't fix everything. Yeah what could be the next thing? chemistry set was probably the next thing on my list But they can kind of leave you tossing turning at least for me abilityu what is this they think they call it all or nothing thinking or fantastic. but I guess it would it come s down to is, whether you're a kid or an adult, it's not easy. And sometimes you have ideas and sometimes you have this episode will have a little bit of a visit for my internal critic a short visits. where you see, well, how come it's hard to get ideas out sometimes prevents them from getting out and breathing and seeing what they're like and and that kind of pressure that we can put on ourselves And for me, I would love the honor of being able to relieve some of that pressure for you byy just coming in goofing around like youre doing these intros And then tonight kind of telling you a little bit of a story. It takes place in beautiful downtown, Oakland, California. and even features a visit from a challenge coin. So If that sounds good. It see how it goes. if you're new, give the show a few tries like the reviewers literally ninety, something percent of them say it took two or three times until I realize the show was u not meant to be taken seriously and I could just kick back and enjoy it and fall asleep And if it doesn't work for you, you know, I like there's some cool things on Libravox, there's other things. there's a Shipping News is another podcast You could check out the shipping news. so that's something to check out But yeah, I don't know. I guess like I'm here to help. whether you're anome a toome or you know, a kid gymnast or a kid that went to one gymnastics class I believe you deserve a good night's sleep. And I'd like to help. I appreciate you coming by Not only do I wish it I yearn a nice strive to help you fall asleep, thanks so much. And here's a couple of ways we keep the show going. Heybody, this is Drew Scooter. I just want to lay out some of the goals I have for sleep and me whichich really haven't changed much in the history of the podcast. My biggest goal is not to put you to sleep but to bring you some comfort relief Peace of mind, some good company in the deep dark night, a friendly distraction maybe bring you some sleepy joy and delight so you could fall asleep. But if you can't sleep or it's really difficult or whatever it is that you're dealing with that you know somebody's there for you, somebody's there with you that you could just listen to and you don't really have to pay attention to Be that's what I always wanted my whole life, particularly when I was younger and I couldn't sleep at all, was just some kind of comforting presence to help me fall asleep or to get through the night. So those the main goals of the show. I'm not sure if you share any of those goals. If you already do, you're saying Yesots You've done all that for me. sppread the word about the podcast or sign up at sleepingepodcastot com slash plus So we can keep doing that. I guess the secondary goals of the show are to make sure the podcast is free for anyone that needs it who couldn't pay or for anybody to discover it maybe just like you did, not knowing it's out there, not knowing what it's like until they try it out a few times and they say, holy cow, had no idea this would work for me. but I'm so glad I found it or for people that just need the podcast every once in a while When they're going through a really, really tough time. Those are the secondary goals. And I guess the third level goals is I'd like to keep making this show long into the future. I'd like to spodcast to keep coming out on a regular basis. So if any of those goals, the primary goals of the show, the secondary goals of the show or the third level goals of the show resonate for you. If any of those goals impact you, could you Please consider supporting the show in one of those two ways. It's so powerful and you could be a part of those goals coming true. You could say to yourself every single night, I let five people know about the podcast. I let one person know about the podcast. or and this is the truth, my sixty dollars a year changed the entire history of sleep with me. My two hundred forty dollars a year, my seven bucks a month. It's what makes the difference between the show being here for free for people to discover it, to bring people that sleepy joy and delight. And I'm so proud of that Either one will change the future of the podcast will make all those goals come true. J like our first episode was you you make my dreams come true. This next episode coming out. this episode is is u Cunity effort really. And If you want to be a part of that community effort, please consider supporting the show I spread the word Wn it directly. Thanks Hey everybody. So tonight's a little bit it's not a different episode. It's it's a format we've done before. was someone new And this episode is going to be a little bit interesting. and hopefully I can time it with a crossover with something else that's cooking in the pot But you know, someone ideally you've listened to this podcast and you're subscribed to ninety nine percent invisible And I just wanted to take a second to talk about Roman Mars. and actually I just read the bible right from his site. Wh's the host of a ninety nine percent invisible. a radio show, a short radio show in a podcast in a worldwide phenomenon. So I already went off track there with the bio with over three hundred million downloads, ninety nine percent visible podcast The whbs I already went off just Sorry, Roman It's a short radio show about design and architecture, also a podcast with over three hundred million downloads One of the most popular podcasts in the world in not just in numbers, but in people's hearts. Fast compompany named him one of the most creative people in twenty thirteen. He was on the Ted main stage in twenty fifteen So you can check out both both those out a link to those It's currently the most popular TEed talk about design five million views, over five million views at this point his crowdfunding campaigns have raised over four million dollars and he's the highest def funded journalist in Kickstarter history He's also a co founder of radiotopia a collective of groundbreaking independent podcasts And I guess he's a shining example A by how to do something of incredibly high quality podcast, but also of how to you just set a wonderful example And there's a lot of stuff that people don't see in of raising other people's voices of really working with people that are going to be making radio and podcasts for the next of four or five decades. And just someone I really look up to. I really respect and I don't want to put heap on the praise because's it's you know this is like a double awkward vulnerability. But I did I do tend to fan it sorry, s this goes this goes off the railse really fast, but I They do tend to fantasize every once in a while about pitching Roman Mars And like I don't know every once in a while say, hh, how come they have they done ninety nine P ninety nine PI about that? And most of the time it's like, oh, they have I just missed that somehow. Oh, first of all, if you haven't checked out ninety nine percent invisible, It's ostensibly a show about design and architecture But really it's it's a bit about everything. so do yourself a huge, huge favor. Listen to that during the day And what kind of triggered me recording this episode was Roman and I were having a conversation because his voice is sometimes like people repurpose it because it's a buttery. I would say his voice is like a melodious butter Also I'm going to patent that too Maybe we should do that. Maybe I mean, maybe we could go into business together with that 's like you know, they have greeting cards with melody in there Or here's a here's a butter company if you're looking for rebrand. Mlody butter have like a song in your, you know, like a song in your mouth. We'll work on a subtitle But we could also we could have sell that in melodious butter butter that comes with a melody And it could be like a we could do a different ones like, hey, just one pad only. Bab You know, Wh' your butter and you know, whatever Anyway, just an idea So I went off topic because we were having a conversation about how people have repurposed audio to fall asleep like ninety nine PI because of Roman's voice and it just his calming presence And I really think it's more than that. It's like is a deep a curiosity that resonates with people and this there's these wonderful things in the world worth exploring L why did they make this choice or how did that end up this way U So it's I don't think you put human condition in there, but I mean really it talks well, just listen and subscribe But so we're having a conversation about that In a voice thought about ideas I would pitch Romanan, like I said it' in my criticets in the way And he said, well, I don't know, Drew in recently like actually before we had this conversation, I was sinking up this one subject, You knows like I said, Well, they haven't done a ninety nine PI about this subject And I don't know if anybody has this have to them where you think of an idea, this is always a balance of that you need to strike sometimes. You have an idea And at first you say, Oh boy, this is this is rock salad I mean, it felt like a kid in the newsroom I said, this story is going maybe a person with a cigar U, And I said, this is a great idea. then my critic like two hours later said, hu, they said, Well, I wonder why they haven't done a story about this. And my critics say because it's boring And they said really And so the idea was like a caret sparkling water, seelser water So I saw maybe I could get through like because I said, well never I'm never going to get past my critic to Roman. Like it's like It's like a what do they call those a door door person. like preventing me And I said, well, maybe and maybe the Man Curic is right, mayaybe I should say yes So he said before we can pitch Roman, let's pitch my critic and like carbonated rotder. So let's do a tiny bit of research If I tell you but I mean, going to Wikipedia. And let's just see what's on there. It's a fizzy water. Cbon dioxide gas under pressure has been dissolved in there either by technology or by natural geologic source. and many kinds of water are carbonated, mineral water. Club soda sparkling water also calleded Seltzer water in the US Tonic water and soda water Typically they can contain dissolved minerals such as pitassium bbonate sodium bicarbonate or potassium sulfide. which are meant to enhance its flavor The sparkling water is just carbon dioxide with nothing else E tonic water contains whatever I can't say that word quinine or whatever That gives that little bitter taste. And carbon carbonation is what makes water the water effervescent Now here's where we get into the history. The first person to aerate water with carbon dioxide according to Wikipedia was William Brown Rig in seventeen forty We never published a paper on it It was also independently and accidentally invented by Joseph Priestley in seventeen sixty seven. The great great grandfather, Jason Priestley, by my imagination just said wonder what carbonate maybe they'll Okaykay, he discovered a method of infusing water with carbon dioxide. After suspending a bowl of water above a beer vat at a brewery in England He wrote for the peculiar satisfaction he found when drinking that drinking it. I can agree with that. and he published This is can't you can't make this up seventeen seventy two a paper impregnating water with fixed air later, he was like No, I'm just kidding. you can only imagine They wrote his fictional autobiography. Priestley's apppparat played by Jason Priestley, by the way, in the movie version Priestlely's apparatus, which featured a bladder between the generator and the absorption tank to regulate the flow of carbon dioxide you know was soon copied. and it wasn' until seventeen eighty one that it began to be mass produced by a company specializing in it. The first factory was built by Thomas Henry, Manchester, England. And Priest is regarded as the father of the soft drink. he may live in infamy, not just for impregnating water. Yeah he did, however receive sign he didn't make any money, of course off of it. then never happens He did get some recognition though in seventeen seventy two the cououncil of the Royal Society rewarded him with a Coply medal. So let's see if there's any other history here. There's And I don't know. this may not like so that was one of the things I thought about and I was like, okay That doesn't exactly help our case yet. because I was thinking I mean, at least there's some interesting there, but I said, okay, now for nine and it's like u Like we need a we need a little bit more juice for the story. or maybe that it's nested in some other issue. And there is the whole idea of the soda tax is in All the compananyies getting into the sparkling water business But I had been thinking about Slcer water And when I think about seelser water, For some reason at first I picture my dad just and I think he didn't drink seelzer water, but I think of the gener I think like that of my parents generation as being the Seltzer generation And at first you might find that strange and probably with good reason, but I would say my generation is probably the soda generation Yeah in ideally after us it'll be I don't know. willill it be the bubbly hopefully it' be a bubbly generation like a positive empowered bubbly but also for you know, drinking bubbly water. mayaybe it just be I don't know. Maybe at some point in two or three generations, people start just absorbing water from the air. I don't know like we're at an evolutionary timeline But my mind immediately went to Selzer water and particularly Selzer bottles Because when I was a kid, I watched a lot of three stooges Laurel and Hardy and and in other comedy like that, even though it was like repeats or whatever And I'd say like forty five percent of the gags on those show, the physical gags involved a seelzer bottle which was a big glass bottle. They contain carbonated water And you could shake it up and then you it was like a it was like a cool a high powered, you know, bubble powered carbon dioxide u driven a squir gun for adults And what would inevitably happen in a good way was that there would usually be like a monopoly man type character Tuxedo just like the Monopoly man is making, you know, some sort of hub upub about something And a lot of times what the stooges would probably be working there as caterers like and they're supposed to I don't know, they're probably supposed be working as catrs for some other scheme that Mo had. And what would happen is like usually Larry would would get his fingers caught in a lobster crab claw And then Mo and Curly would have some sort of disagreement right at the height of maybe this was a mononopoly man running for office He said made I've made all this money Yeah And it really it really means I know what I'm doing You know blah, blah, blah And what would happen is Mo would actually go to get curly with the water Curly would dive out of the way. and Moe would spray the politician with a seeltzer who would make one of those sounds that you should watch this. This stuff's all available, I think stream somewhere And then the person would say like they'd make it like a blubbering sound after they were sprayed And then they would call they'd say remove them from my presence. And also other things that would happen It would be like Th the the lobster would be on Moe's nose eventually It curl Th then they'd have more also al otheral selter bottles In know would kind of go from there. And what's my point? I don't know I just went off and went on I was thinking about these Slelzer bottles And he said, Okaykay, Critic Well if you won't let me get to Roman with Selzer What about the story of the Selzer by and my critics said it's so to siphon by the way And they said, oh, look at this very light Wikipedia article A soda siphon or selelzer bottle is a device for dispensing carbonated or soda water. introduced as early seventeen ninety, according to Wikipedia in France, it's self pressurized carbonated by beverages In eighteen twenty nine, two Frenchmen patented a hollow corkscrew. They could be inserted into a soda bottle And by use of a valve, allow a portion of the contents to be dispensed while maintaining pressure on the inside of the bottle They were popular in the twenties and thirties, which would say before my dad's generation And, uh, A lot of it great job. WW two actually was what led to the decline of the popularity though the bottles are still used Cercial in production commercial production and delivery of prefilled selelter continued in Southern California and in the east Up until two thousand nine and such delivery continues in Argentina, Vienna Austria Toronto Canada for making single use sealed bottles, Well we don't I think one of the things I always thought of was that they weren't single use. They were They never seemed like they were single use that. they were recycled, just like a recyclable milk when they came in glass commomercially refillable bottles at a selzer plant And that's really all the Wikipedia article has. So that doesn't really do us any good So then I was like, okay, well like my critics never going to get let me get this stuff out. How am I going to get past it And then I said, Okaykay, let's do some val. I said, well, you really, you really got a great point. I don't know If there is a story here with the Seltzer, and the soda bottles And I said, where's my attention go? Naturally is back to the three stooges I don't know' the St three stooges and Larry Laurel and Hardy ever did any crossovers They' slightly there' u fairly similar but a little bit slightly different. And I think it maybe generenationally there was maybe a decade or two between them But I' again These are just based on assumptions. sorry, Larry Mo, Curly. I think Larry Sue Samba Laurel and Hardy for making asses for you and May But another thing that inevitably happens in these movies especially in these scenes where the Is there a here's another question and impossible another business is three stooges catering. Is there there must be a catering coity called Three stooches Catering when they're involved in witering or catering they like then there'll be a banana cream pie a fight with banana cream pies in with banana cream pie just just to to touch base is you it was a big comedy thing and it since it's been getting of repurpose with shaving cream as both kind of a funny thing and also a way to kind of express displeasure in a more stronger way But banana cream pie was a pie that you would put in other people's faces or in they were very good at being thrown by the stooges in like in these situations because then Usually like with the monopoly person who's giving the speech, Uh we'll say I don't know whose their name was It just think of a familiar name upstairs. and I've made my money like I know what I'm doing There would usually be a small class struggle and the pie usually the pie thing would help I don't know, just to help play out the conflict Oh, but I was trying to actually explain what a banana cream pie was so a pie. you know what a pie tin is, right? And then there's a crust I don't think it always had a crust, but I think in the stooges it did And it would make sense that it would have a crust because it I think with this propulsion in its balance. in its delivery, it gives it a little bit more mass and it holds the banana cream together But usually then it would be a layer of banana cream, which my understanding is very much like pudding or like a set custard and then covered in a layer of whipped cream And so if you've never seen I'm sure if you search YouTube for banana Well, no, never mind. donon't do that actually I don't know what'll come up But there's a great article actually over at the New York Times that I'll just try to barely paraphrase and quote from Dan Berry july eighth to twenty fifteen comedy sweet weapon, the cream pie And it talks about the history of film comedy and sweet pies and a greatreat race, a sixty five movie with Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon. The Battle of the century nineteen twenty seven Laureln Hardy shorts Th thousand pies thrown with slow burn precision In Leonard Molton one said it's a holy grail It's a holy grail of comedy talalking about comedic shorts because for several decades quoting from the article, The twenty minute two Re Cassic has been missing its second real. Oh, the two real classic at being the second half of the worldl and Hy short And oh, this is really interesting actually So the second half of the movie has been missing and John so Okaykay, so I don't want to ruin this article This is like But I guess like so this could be interesting. So they could be there But then make critics saying, well, it's like it's Dan Berry's business Scootss not yours So then I said to myself, I said, well, let's go, let's go to beautiful downtown Oak in California. And let's let's walk around Oakland. and to try to try to get an idea of what we would do Uh, because maybe there's not a u U said well maybe I could pitch a fiction. What if there was ninety nine PI almost nearlyit nearly factual. barely ninety nine percent fictional, ninety nine percent invvisible say. I don't know. I guess I'd have to think of the But So I got on a bus fifty one A the sweetest of the sweet for me buses And now a lot of people don't I don't think anyone knows this except for my daughter But I have made a challenge coin belt And I was I was too scared to bring this up with Roman because of my basic design And also he said, call me mr. Mars, please And they said, what about how do you feel about Mars bars And he said, which b And I said, no, no, like how do you feel about me calling you Mars bars And uh It was it was a brief con It was a brief conversation we had after after that, it was Kurch, I would say But so I didn't get a chance to show him my challenge coin belts And also I guess I'm still a little bit feeling like N only gets to show off one side of the challenge coin But it's a great it makes for a great Bll bucko And it's not exactly a high design. So that's another reason I said let me keep it to myself because I don't want Roman to say, how'd you make that It say well with magic how else But I did put on my belt. I said, okay I have the belt. I have the spirit of ninety nine percent invisible in radioopia behind me at my waist. Yeah you know, I said, Okaykay, this feels good. I'm not a superhero But that'll help me. Itll give me like something to focus my extra energy on And so I took him the bus to a place right at like be like down Broadway in Oakland to I think it's like where the sixteenth Street Bard station is on the nineteenth street Bard station And this is a fateful intersection for the podcast and another thing with design. So I said, let me start there I'll start walking around and talking to my belt like it's Roman Mars and we'll figure out a pitch for the show And I said and I could call my Bt Mars bars so we got there in the corner of that intersection is the old Sears building I don't know the history of before. I think I have talked about it on the podcast And I've always found Sears in these urban centers. so this was a Sears department store And it stayed open in downtown Oakland like up until probably like four or five years ago when it was purchased to be converted into offices. And I don't think take that worked out and they're maybe converting it to offices or work live spaces now But when I lived in the Bronx too, there was a right in the middle of the bronx, right near where I was studied was a Sars as well And so I have a soft spot for these sears that I say, wow, they really it's nice to have a department store. And it was an institution. It was there were always. It wasn't there when things got hot and popular It was there for people to go shop and say, well,, you know, I got to go to a wedding or whatever or, you know, I need to do some shopping for the holidays or No things you'd buy at Sears, that's another podcast But I can remember so the whole idea of these urban sears has always appealed to me. And I can remember standing there and the holiday season either before I started the podcast or right after it and thinking about the Sears and just feeling a connection to it in some way. because of its connection to its fast, because of its uniqueness And this is a really beautiful building as well And I don't know, I just liked it. I said, you know what? I like to cut of your jib seers. Thanks for being here and at beautiful downtownak in California and in the Bronx, you know, where we're back in Fordham Road. So And I think right around that time not that long after it was when I was I said, arere you still listening to me? I looked down at my belts and I said, I think my belts is still listening And I said then I also found this blog or this tumbler That was about JC Penny' Is that a in the Is that at a It's declineed. It was just pictures from J Sad JC Penny or something it was called It' be pictures from JC Penny stores that weren't looking so great And those two things were really the genesis for one of our longer running a series get Bos notothing to do like if it with a char it was three fictional characters JC Penny James Cash Penny, Richard Warren Sears and another character, Jiff And so I've always had a great affection for that sears. So that's why I wanted to start walking with you Belt here. You know, I was thinking about T to you. I know you specialize in a L at topics where that are well researched. and kind of finding a way. I think the story is one thing It's a great episode of how sound But that that there's a that's another podcast for people to check out in nesting stories within one another. And you know, I'd love like but you know, I was just like thinking of, you know facts, I try to I try to say aware facts and things But I wanted to ask you like, how do you feel about Tim Curry and Rick Moranis And there were that's when there was silence for my belts And that's where there was silence for my belt. And you might ask, well, how how do you know your belt was being silence I said, well because it wasn't sighing at every other thing I said Or like it strange when a belt rolls its eyes, it makes a noise I mean, mostly because my shirt was over it. So you know, it's body language has to be audible so that I know when it's When it's doing these things, it helps keep my keep me focused And I knew I had and I said, well, here's the thing. I said, let me take it, what if I take you? Yeah And I pitch I don't just pitch Roman Mars. I pitch Tim Curry And Rick Moran is on an idea And my belt was still quiet. So I started walking down towards Lake Merritt and I said, okay, I'll do a couple loops of Lake Merritt's. the Jewel of Oakland. And I started walking around the shores of Lake Meron on a nice path. There beautiful day. A lot of friendly smiles and waves people jogging Pe biking, people walking, people talking And it's just surrounded by this beautiful string of lights and worth it. evenven if you're if you're visiting San Francisco, come to Oakland already. Look at the old Sears buildilding for one second that Scooter mentioned And then go on. And then so my belt said, Okaykay, go on. tell me more. tellell me more about this idea you have It so I' thinking of selzer bottles, right? And silter water. and the history of Seltzer could be contained at the beginning of this podcast and not really get any, you know foothold But I think there's something more there, at least for me And then I started actually picturing Rick Moranis propelling this was probably not the tone of the comedy I was thinking of But when you get Rick Moranus in your brain, you know, things happen You know, I was picturing Rick Morandis with two seeltzer bottles super hy This maybe it was more Wayne Zelinsky, a character played by Rick Morandis But with two Silzter bottles at each hip and then launch, you know, launching himself into the air And I heard my belt like make a like a non negative shoulder shrug. And I said, Okaykay, okay, Mars Bars, we might be ono something here And I said, I don't think that's a I said that was just a gimmick. but I think you that would be the thing is u What if we find a way for Rick Moranus and Tim Curry There's two ways we could go with it. Okaykay. we could be competitive. they both own Because the only placeac is the best place is to start a bespoke seelzer business I'd say would be Oakland or Brooklyn, maybe Portland, Seattle, San Francisco U But I said, you know, you could Oakland would be a good testing ground for it, you know, if it was just side gade. And it could be bicycle delivered Selter you know deposit bottles recyclable. You could build a whole story into it. You could flavor it not with natural essences and quotes , you know, generally known to be barerely, you know, you know how they do that It could be with real essences. It could even be a storefront. No, okay, now we're on to something. I didn't even think about this. because I don't know how I feel about Rick Moranis and Tim Curry competing with one another except that maybe that would make a good reason like Rick Moranus It's this would be more of a used car salesman lot move but for promotion. So we could go back to that. we don't have to figure out the whole story right now And right then I was passing Chren's Fairyland of Oakland, which is a small amuseing I don't know if amusement park, a fairy tale land for children He I headed down around It a fence for childildren's Fairyland. There's a bandstand down there and a small beach and a fountain And it was to be one of those beautiful old bstands. I don't know if it's made from concrete or stone you say and sometimes you just go there and there's a band playing on the weekends like a big big band or a smaller big band. And I stopped as a water And I was, you know, trying because I was trying to think of the next idea for the Selsa water when I got down there I said, Okay, bike delivery, that would probably work too. It'd be tough in Oakland if somebody was in the hills or depending on stuff, but we could figure that and we could partner There's no reason to say It's it's one hundred percent what. It could be ninety it couldn't be ninety nine percent what I we could say, you know, delivered in this region by bicycle Here's another Tim Curry just called in with this idea actually to my brain. deellivered by bicycle or natural gas. Thank you, Tim. So maybe I guess the idea would be that I guess it would have to do we'd have to do a callback and say, what would Laurel Hardy, Mel, Semp Oh there's no mel in those movies. Okay, Mo, Simp Cly, Cly Se and Larry do. And I guess we'd have to put it like regular working wage earners versus you know, the big wigs, the investments So I think they could be rentning a store I would love to put it at the Grand Lakes Theater, One of the beautiful U movie palaces in Oakland, which is lucky enough to have a few different movie palaces the Paramount theater and then the Fx theater, which are both performance spaces now, but u You can still see movies at the Paramount and I've seen welcome to Nightle at the Fox Theater But so we if we could get a store there in a window Manus. And maybe Mars maybe we could have Roman Mars be an intern or they're next to our neighbor. so we get you in the movie But so they have a store a store there Maybe no, no, I got a better idea Yeah. likeike you're is the behind the scenes creator of the essence is. you've taken your knowledge of plants and chemistry But in an organic way and through experimentation, you know, purely above board maybe some distillation and evaporation. I don't know what techniques you would use But your well figure out a thing to call it, but the u For now, this is a made up name essence scientist. Oh no, doctor of essence And you have a lab code, of course, of course, of course. I've never seen a belt in a lab coat. but once we get this to dor. Mars The Dror Vesence or and it could say Dr. Mars on a name tag But so you would be working in the back and Rick and Tim would be partners there and they would be running this seeltzer business. And I think we could also put it as like a As we as a society also have to be open to the diversity of ages and the ability for people to reinvent themselves at different ages It's like a tribute to rediscovering is that you can also reinvent yourself wherever you are is that maybe their backstory that doesn't go in the movie. Is that this is like they see we don't, you know, we don't want to retire. We love Seltzer you're right, there maybe there should be some I dont I don't like inciting incidents, but in this case it would be it doesn't even have to be in the story W was this a podcast epode? I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't know you could speak Belt Uh, but it I don't know, it's become a bit of u a dream a dreamy story. and It' so do Tim Curry. Rick Moranis so they have the Sltzer business. it gets it gets a little bit better and then we' get and not only that I think on the weekends they work something out with the city of Oakland because they have a grand Grand Lake Farmers' Market on the weekends. I think it's on Saturdays there. And what they do is even when they deliver the selzer, every bottle of selzer when it's delivered comes with a banana cream pie So I guess it's not exactly for everybody to be subscribing to this service But they've also integrated themselves in all of the local restaurants and stuff. and yeah, it's a big deal. I mean, if it was like Rick Maris and Tim Curry playing Rick Moranison Tim Curry I don't know. Maybe we do we do something different. Maybe they' were both famous I don't know. part of the most famous Lake Pver what was that they were the two tenors before earlier in life or they were three teners with like Steve Martin let's just say if Steve Martin would be interested in this which is probably probably now likely, but And I don't have a piece of clothing named I guess maybe if I had a jack if I had a jacket, I would name it the Martin with so Where was I? So another part of their business is that each delivery Forrbe something or your first delivery comes with a banana cream pie But then on Saturdays Or maybe one Saturday a year can come in the block off the street in front of the store And maybe you pay a nominal fee And you can get in a there's like a soon as, you know, they've done all the they know this is you could eat all you could eat banana cream pie, maybe not But maybe like, okay, I got it. each once once a month during one of the farmers' markets You get to throw bana cream pies at a politician and all the money goes, you buy a pie for five dollars And it's sure it's a light pie., you know, you know, totally Hypoallergenic old ans And each by, you know, then all the money goes to charity And it goes to fifty fifty like fifty percent to local Oakland based charities, another fifty percent to national causes Or and maybe like maybe fifty percent and maybe twenty percent goes ten percent goes to like a three stooges foundation and ten percent goes to a Laurel and Hardy one. I don't know about that part or maybe like a film preservation And maybe at some point maybe this becomes a Gonies like adventure. I don't know. this just took a turn on me Uh But what if that missing reel of tape is also aqued? wouldould that be say okay, save it for the sequel Hardy Har H, what is that Hardy Harar mean Okay. so let's get back So they have the store They're a beloved fixture in the community They have a beloved Seltzer that's getting delivered door to door And of course they say, well, it's not that they're anti business They say, hey, this is pretty nice. We just prefer doing it this way. smallmall scale, hand batched. You know, sure they're the butt of jokes and maybe they maybe that's it Steve Martin opens up a one in Brooklyn Is there their east East coast operation. something we got we could go with ideas for for, you know, film the Philip parts of the movie But so and then also you get to spray the politician. like after the politician gets pied then you get to spray them off with Seltzer like maybe someone wins that award or the MC or that's like three hundred bucks Also politician doesn't get any money. They just get free promotion, which is good. And then if they don't want to do it, they could use the local podcasters. Not anyone that works in Oaklandough, peoplee that like from Alameda, like Scoots Actually, people can just throw pies at me if it's for charity, whenever they want I mean, not when it's a surprise. And then that's another aspect of the business that they start to come up with because they say, well, we need another revenue source So what about surprise, pies and selser with permission like an opt in And mostly they do this at like the professional sports games like the wararriors games where a wararriors player can do this for another one. And then at the interview they get pied, which happens a lotater at the Oakland A's games. And maybe they get celtered too which to clean off the pie. And you say, well, it tastes pretty good. It's a little of strange carbonated banana cream pie in my mouth, but it's not bad and it makes it makes it easier to see. So that would be, you know, the good part of the movie like maybe they have some ups and downs. Yeah, like they say, well, we're raising your rent. So then they come up with this idea of doing these I think my belt is asleep too. But at some point, of course, we introduce the idea Okay, I just okay, my brain is going a little bit faster than even we need to. I think Rick Moranus is shooting through my brain But's so So at some point because Oakland is such a great demographic to serve so rich is like in cultural heritage and diversity You was that a is that a big big bottle company comes and they say, well, we're going to start our own u delivery service. Maybe there's like a seler you know, people are like selser is even more popular than is now And they try to buy out maybe yeah, I guess this would be we'll go through this rather a little bit faster, but They first they make an offer and Cry, you know, Curry Mars and It could be like a they could say that at the door. What we say Uh Curry Moranus and Mars Maybe maybe we could get SEFCar just is like a like we don't need to do space jam But that'd be pretty good. Cry, Curry, Maranison Mars Ranus Mars and Curry My belt doesn't Mars Marinna and Curry. Okay, I got you. My belt wanted that first Mars curry, curry Maranas. Yeah, we could we could talk it out. and they make an offer on the business so they don't sell They say, no, no, no, this isn't we can get into the seelzer business for money got in the business for the love of banana cream pies and making natural essences wearing lab coates And also, you know, Rick dreams of launch, you know, creating a propulsion system as, you know, pretending to be Wayne Zelenssky and Halloween Really it was just a string. That could be another thing Okay, this could be that could be it. that could be the strange turning point So they go back and forth with the business. This is straight out of I think this movie might have come out in the nineteen eighties anyway And they said we're going to buy the Monopoly man from the three Stooges movies. Only in the three through stooches who' never heard of anyone like that. but He's making offers trying to get them to sell. They won't sell So then what happens is is they're going to have a big curry curry Moranus and Mars or M, you know, they're going to have a big a big fundraiser for Halloween and Rick they do a they put a terraanin up hidden on the roof of the Grand Lake Theater. And Rick pretends to be shooting shooting off like with Seltzer Rackets, but really it's just a trick and illusion Yeah, but the crane accidentally cracks the roof of the The theater and I guess maybe there was a scene where Tim and Roman were like Rick, don't do this. It's it's too spe spectacular returning Okay. because maybe Rick's the one feeling the pressure. L we have to do something big. in order to counteract to the PR campaign from big water And so the catater is damaged and They say, okay, I guess maybe this is is this was this the plot to break in break into electric Boggolo? So maybe this is accidental reinvention of that But what happens is a theater gets damaged and The theater turns out didn't have the insurance or because of the preservation. they say, Well we can't afford to fix the theater We got to fix a roof before the rain comes Also they say, Rick, you got to pay the bill because you didn't have a permit to be fake Selter launching into space And that wouldd be good because then we could find an emotional thing where Rick was and we could do a scene with Rick walking around Lake Moran Lake Moranus Lake Merrit But so big big water comes in and they're going to fix everything. They're going to fix the theater. They're going to buy the theater and somehow You know, they make a deal. They say, okay, well, well, you know, if you give us your business, we'll fix the theater