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I feel like this is the first time we're meeting the real JB right. And I was a little frazzled getting to Mike today because that's what we call it, right? Get to Mike. Getting to m Be we do. I wanted to have my teeth brushed for you. Do you guys brush your teeth for me? Of course. Oh, not me don't. Look at it. Did didid you sleep with a whitener on too long last night? No, I went to the Look at that. I went to the dentist yesterday and he's like I don't wipe my teeth. and you smoke. And you drink coffee. I't you drink coee. And you self tan. Don't self tan, that's the one where don't make me nad You and Kimel Nobody loves hitting me my tan more than Molly. What do self tan mean? You just lays That's like a cream.. But where do you find the time and how is it always so even, mister Trump? Well, you know, you know You know what I do every day? I do my walk every day And so that's like an an. I I don't talk to me like I'm fucking watching you do and your fucking heavy hands and. You know You know Your elcro ankle weights. Is it with my weight vest? Somebody took a picture of me with my weight vest yesterday on Loma Vi Oh, really? I got to see that. But Will, I spend a lot of time when I'm not working on the golf course as we're aware. that is that's five hours of sun exposure. and I wear one hundred. So you're saying your're twenty minutes. I don't wear Okay, That's what it is. A and B, I don't wear a bucket hat You're right? Right You wear no sun protection whatsoever. You're kind of bragging about that right now to get yourself that nice color. but I'm not giving yourself fucking cancer. I'm not first of all Lking coolid. It's early for me to die, okay ve I've had skin cancer already. I had something shaved off my eye. Remember that? to go in there and got it all scraped off I get checked. I have a friend of mine in Js been giving me a lot of shit about sunscreen lately. are these checks that you pay for or is it You say a friend. Like like a close friend of mine. And does she check for ticks at the same time? and all those tough to find spots? We found another one she just squeezes it out. Like a zip. You're like covered in ticks Wh I find a couple leeches too. like so. They have to remove the poison.. So wait, so you got you got it Yeahah, now you're getting into a sweat because you're thinking about all the possible risks you're tking. Al I've also had four coffees today. so having a coffee sweat. Yeah. You know we were at dinner the other night, JB, you were missed. I know You were missed. and Jen brought a photo up from our big family trip from a few years back where we went with all the kids and everything And there wass a photo of all of us and then my head stic out the back. Remember how tan I was? my hair is sticking up and then I've got zinc on my lips and I look like a crazy person right on.at we passed around the photo and everybody had something to say about. And I've never seen it. I'd never seen it before. I was like, what is I look like an Yeah you look like look like guys came to the island and found me there. L laid out You know, I hadd written in the sand SOS. we have to go back there. I know back guys. It'd be fun to go now with the kids a little bit older It be fun How is it n? It's fun being back for the weekend. Yeah. Very nice to be back for the weekend. Yes. I'm going to your Q and A J tomorrow at Netflix because I want to I know that you're doing a Q and A sess. Right, hey, What how are you doing there? I'm just gonna to go because I want to ask you questions about directing andself. I know you're giving So I got an email from Netflix about it. Like, come join us. I'm like, on. Wear the zc on your nose so that when you hold your hand up I put a fake mustache in a hat, and then I'm gonna zit in the back. And I'm be like, I've got a question. No, you should play the crazy Italian guy from our podcast. Yeah. And I gonna happen Wh is these brothers are crazy I on. I can't believe they said you would invite. No, actually, a different friend of mine got an email about it and they saident it to me and I was like, Ohh, fucking send me that. I want to go. I want to goash. showh up and crash. How good And then you know what? I did have the thought I was like I did it, then I make it about me. and I'm not gonna go and do that Why please please, please do it enough. There's so many people listening right now who are nodding going. I know. You do make it about me shhut up. We hate your stupid stories But what about like, yeah, so I'm here this weekend to do this, this these interviews and stuff for for DTF and for Black rabit and stuff. And it's all talking, it's all talking. It's know including this podcast. And I was looking at like literally thirty six hours ago, I couldn't Oh really And I was like, oh my God, I've got like five days of work atademy that's just talking Luckily, I got a little predniszone in me and an anim. Yeah good.. You know what I was talking to our buddy who's doing Dogday afternoon, notot John Berntell, but I was talking to you guys know John Ortiz is the best. great actor and he' good buddy of mine.. And he is on Broadway right now. And he has a really bad cold and it's a night he's like, it's a nightmare scenario y I almost called you, Seaan, because I knew you'd probably have some like fancy Broadway doctor that knows how to deal with with vocal bo Vocal stuff. Always I have too boots are the best. Boots boots knows. Wait wait is that wait, Sean, are you getting rid of paddles and goinging with boots?ight now he's boots. Right now he's boots. Oh boots, McGee Yeah boots. exly got a boot on Butpecially T' got a point that he wants to make. I saw whoo are you looking at off camera who's giving you the cue to go into it is this guy? No, nobody me, it's me. Okay. I'm looking at all of you No, we have to go because our guest is super famous and Oh she has to work. Oh, sorry. Okay. Here we go. so I should have got dressed up. I meanwhile I got undressed. P just sleeves back on P me. Oh guys, my guest today who I love and I live for grew up in Castle Hill, New York the middle of three sisters in an apartment. Andrew Martin so small, they all shared a bed There was always music in the house with constant reenactments of Westide story. I could do the whole thing with her. Chen with Her parents still hoped she'd become a lawyer Instead, she left college to pursue dance full time, left home and ended up sleeping in a Manhattan dance studio. Somewhere along the way, she taught Karrie Washington how to dance. I can't wait to ask about that. And she became the first Latinress ever paid a million dollars for a movie role. Mara briefly been on this podcast before. It's the beautiful, multi talented and unstoppable. Jennifer Lopez. Lop. Y. way Willy got it. Ver n. few. No, when you said briefly, and then I remember you briefly on yes. Yeah. I was so close with the Andrew Martin. God damn it. Oh Oh my God, Jen, what are you drinking? Hi there. A little cappuccino. Oh nice. Now what do you? What do you go with for the milk on that Are we almond? or we know, I like a two percent milk. I know everybody with fancy oats and almonds. Y Cow milk all the way. Jason Jason response to that you beta? I know, but I feel I got I got word from one of those doors back in the day that I'm lactose intolerant or bad with the dairy or something like that. Yeah. And so I've just I've never had like cow milk since then.us I did see documentary once where they said the very disgusting fact, which is humans are the only species that drink the milk of another animal ight that like how that That is weird, isn't it? drink I'm the same I'm the same way. I don't care. I know you drink full tall glasses of milk, I don't care. I know. And it tastes so good. It tastes so good. Yeah. Plus but Jennifer Lopez is always working out and exercising and staying in good health so she can have milk and her coffee I try. rightight. What're about that It's not about that. that help show. But I mean,, you know, you have to if you're going do it, you kind of have to balance it says Jennifer Lopez says Dnifer doctor Ding Dong. You very happy. You look very, very hey. Ding Dong. Thank you. Yeah. Jen, thank you for doing this. I'm so excited you're here. This is a long time coming from me. You've been on my list since we started. Oh Wow, this is exciting true. And I know we kind of know each other and I love you too. Do you dance together? Yeah, we work together many times Over the years on the Will and Grace and something else I can't remember? I you know what I realized? I'm so bad that you know, you get to a point where you've done so much with so many people and people are like, we did that. like the other day, don't hate me. I was watching Monster in law Oh my God. And I forgot you were in You like was That's what happen was. No, no, because it was just so long ago. mean I don'm to say how many years ago it was, but it was so wasn't that during arrested development, Willie? You did that? That was twenty one years ago. It was the summer of two thousand five. twenty one years ago You know,, Jennifers, I'm admiring your beautiful printer in the background there. I then noticice that Sean, you've moved the award. Dn't you have an award? Y because you made fun of me. And I made fun of you moved it Yeah, I did, but it's just right there both But what about how Jen keeps it real. She's got a fucking printer in the b H fr. That's okay I'm in the hotel. You are whereewk New York. I was here for the upfront, so I'm just here. No, But you know, you know, people like stack their awards behind them when they do Zooms Yeah, I know Yeah. you But in my office at home, I have like a wall of all these awards all behind But Yeah They're just they're just there and then you sit at your desk and they're there. You've got so many, you can't point Where are you gonna put them Exactly Jason. Where are you gonna put them in your office there By the way there was looking behind him. he can't fit him in the whisper booth. I can't There's not one. There's not one It's so dark in there. so that his tan This is my this is my booth. But hang on a second a minute. He's getting a nice bounce off his teeth though. The shorts I know the shirts. Like at what age do you stop weying shirts? First of all, lookook at these. Oh, that's a hockey glove These are Toronto Maple Leag Limited Toronto M L When is one of the Torontoaple Leaguess ever had a green hockey glass? It used to be the Toronto Stain. Pats when they first started. then look at this, Jason, Do you remember this? I've somehow kept this after all these years. What is it? Is that the Wanamaker from the PGA Championship? It It's called the VH one Big, big in zero four And we got it. We went for arrested and somehow I've kept this stupid huge trophy. so we got one trophy and you got to keep it? Yeah, obviously everybody elected me ' they were like, who's the most deserving? Is VH one still going Yeah, I think so. Hey J Wlcome to the show. Yeah. Question for the guest, please Sean. No, not at all. G Gotta break in. just. Well, it' you know, but it's the thing about like We worked together three times at Will and Grace and for the first time, God did we laugh a lot. I mean, I was I was kicking in literally, physically, kicking you in the ass, jumping in between your legs and like dancing like fools. It was ridiculously hilarious And you were so game. and I think you're so game for so many things. and You know, in research anything sometimes. No, no, no, but but but but, you know, in doing all this research before today, you realize, oh, I don't really I don I've never done a deep dive on you. We always have chit chat and have a good time, you know You never asked her anything important. you learard about yourself. That's right. I was always like, what's the next question about me. But so before we get into it, I just want to say, I realized doing all this stuff how rare Y kind of drive is, your work ethic, the ambition, the discipline you've been doing at such a high level for decades. I mean, if you've seen her documentary, that documentary incredible. I think I had a chance to run into you after I saw and said how much I love it. It's so impressive. I mean, not only just well made, The scope of it, I mean, your career is incredibly b. It's incredib mean nonstop. And and you This is another thing we'll talk about later, but the thing you do for women in general, whether you do it intentionally or not, I'm sure some of it is intentional. You make them feel empowered, you show them that talent and beauty and sexuality. can have all that at any age and you're fearless about all that. how aware of Are you aware of how much permission that gives people or you too busy working to even think about I'll say this when I was starting out and I had just started doing like my clothing linine. So I had been acting for a while and dancing and singing for a while, had my first records out and things like that U so this is I don't know twenty years ago. And I was working with a few girls in my office who are like friends who I just hired, you know I remember saying, like it was getting overwhelming. and I said, I just this is so fucking much. Why am I doing this? This? And she goes, Jennifer You can't and I probably had just went through some breakup and fucking everything had blown up in my face again. you know what I mean? I was just like I just don't know if I can go And she goes, Jennifer If you can't do it, none of us can do it And when she said that to me, I never forgot it. And I thought to myself Oh peopleeople look at at me a certain way, especially girls, like women, like inspiration for sure. They were like and it gave me like feeling of responsibility to Do things right all the time A responsibility do you like or didn't want I don't mind it because I am a hard worker and I do have discipline. Like I started running track when I was, you know I don't know eight or nine years old and I was practicing every day. Like I always had kind of like an athlete's kind of drive and And work ethic. That makes sense. So yeah. and I did track for watch gymnastics, I played softball. like I was very much an athlete before I fell in love with dancing Once I fell know with dancing sports went out the window. Right because because it is a sport It is a sport and it was just an easy transition, but also because I grew up on musicals with my mom and all of that and I loved them so much. It was like I always wanted to sing and dance and act, but when it took its natural time I really like everything behind and just fell in love with that That really made me feel that exchange stayed with me even all these years later because It just made me feel like fuck it up do the right things. People are watching you for whatever reason, maybe because I was you know, Puerto Rican and from the Bronx and came from similar places where all these people you know, people come from, you know, I wasn't like born in Hollywood and, you know kind of that thing and so there was a real Jason a real like idea in my mind of like D have to do things right.' don't fuck it up. and work for it Yeah Yeah and do it, do it, like do the thing. like go for the go for it. Yeah. What was first for you? Was it an example of someone who was just an incredible inspiration as far as their their accomplishments. Was that first or was it being inspired by seeing an incredible dancer or musician or actor, or when you were a little girl, what was the first thing that inspired you? Was it accomplishment or was it a specific town? No, it was the arts. L from when I was very little, I remember you bought up Rita Moreno and you boughtght up Westide Story right before I was trying to guess who I does. That's all he does. That's all he does.. It really was Rita Moreno for me. Oh, really I Yes, yes. I did want her to be my mom watching a little company. I said to my m mom once when I was a tiny little kid, I said, I want her to be my mom. Yeah. who wouldn't. And she's so amazing. And the thing is is like My mom watched West Story in the Theater when it first came out and she made us watch it every single year. I don't even remember the first time I saw it. Three years old, four years old, five years old. but I do remember Wing it on TV one Thanksgiving because it came on once a year and thinking, that's what I want to do. I want to sing and dance and act. I want to dance around. I want to. My mother was kind of that way as well and very kind of vivacious take over the room type of person And and I wasn't like that. I was more like my dad. I was more quiet and kind of like to myself. but that part I had Like I wanted to sing and dance and shhake my ass too, you know my mom just imagine you dancing and singing around like the living room and stuff like that. like like like kids do 'cause like that's when we have no fear and no sense of of, you know, and it's likeing you mean? Right. But then there's that moment we all hit when we're about, I don't know, ten, eleven or something like where you start to beccome aware of shame and embarrassment and what other people might be thinking. And there's that transition that it's almost a sad transition that you see kids go through where they become self aware. But then you know you hope that they gather sort of coping skills to kind of have self assuredness and to kind of push through that and have their confidence take over and to be able to push through that Do you remember that moment where you stopped kind of dancing like no one was watching and you were aware people were watching and were able to push through that I think this is what makes me a little different. I never happened I was never afraid to make a fool of myself. That's why.. I was always just like, it's fine. I fell down. And maybe that was part of the athlete part too. You know what I mean? Like it was just like, you're gonna, you know, make mistakes, you're gonna fall, you're gonna do that. Like I was ready. I'm like, get back a very scrappy. Part of learning, partart of success. Yeah. We'll be right back The future of law is aentic not just tools that assist, but AI agents that navigate complex matters. 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Apply today at snhu. edu slash smartlist Back to the show I was thinking about When you started and really started to sort of break through and I kind of want to get into what that was because I'm not sure I really know what that thing was. I have questions about it. Thank you, Sean. This is not your time. I'd like to be ting my time Jennifer, I wonder if if you know like the moment when you broke through and you broke through on such a global level in such a way that is very, very rare. everybody in the world knows who you are. and just bear with me you that you have the moment where you kind of dawns on you the level of recognition and fame. and then you as a person gap of you catching up to that and being okay with that on that kind of a level. Do you remember that time was it Yeah struggle kind of between you and it It was the worst. It was honestly, it was the worst. It was I had just done Selena Yeah. And the movie came out And I was still walking around you know, Hollywood, like going on auditions. like it was still that time. Yeah. But it had just come out. And I was walking down the street and for the first time somebody was like And they come running towards me and I thought the fuck is gonna mug me What the fuck is going on right now? Like I got really nervous You know what? And I was just, you know, like any woman in the world, you know, were're threatened by other so many things. like we're so scared all the time in a weird way. And I was just walking to the store from my apartment in LA and It was just so jarring to me And then I realized they were like, I saw I saw you in whatever. and I was like, Oh Yeah I was like, I don't but my thing was like, I don't know you. Yeah. Like I don't know you. Like what are you doing? Like backack up. Don't touch me. I was so scared and I remember it dawning on me. I was like, oh, you're not Anonymous anymore. Right Yeah. Your anonymity is gone. Yeah And I don't and I think of my mind, I thought, you can't get that back That's something that's lost forever. And I remember that's when I started having panic attacks and Oh did you about hat Oh was terrible time for me. Yeah, canan you talk about that when you you were filming enough, right? No, that was another time. That was when I overworked myself. That b story of. I didn't realize my limits. Yeah. But I read about that in preparation for this and that's fascinating to me because I love medical stories. whereere you canan you say what happened and why? Yeah. So that was the kind of getting used to like ame and realizing your life had changed in a way that you couldn't control anymore. Or go back. You can't go back. They're always going to know somebody will always have seen Celinea and somebody will always and for whatever reason that really freaked me out. And that took a minute. But what you're talking about is when I was doing enough I think I had done like four movies in a row and I had recorded my second album or something like that So the JayLo album, which was reallyally Big Yeah. and huge. And was like the J the JLO album Right. and I was working filming every day as you guys know what that is, you know, all the hours. and then I would go into the studio at night And then on the weekends I like had junkets or video shoots or whatever. And I remember not clocking that I had worked like ninety eight days in a row without taking a day off Right because we went back and counted it because we're like, what happened? And one day I'm sitting in the onn the set of enough, it's actually kind of the thinking about it. and I'm walking to the set every single time. And every time I walk to the set, I start getting a little like a little pitter patteratter in my heart. L it's like rising And I go and finally It got to the point I was like, I really feel nervous and I had the little girl in enough And I was like, I'm sorry, sweetie. I feel a little weird today. I said a a little tired or something. And she was like, it's okay. You're going to be all right. know she's like going like this to my face. but I wasn't all right. And I went back to the trailer and I sat down And all of a sudden like I just couldn't see Like it was almost like I couldn't see clearly. like something just went over my eyes and I couldn't move And one of my girlfriends, who was my friend since the second grade was my assistant. And she was like, so she has know like she doesn't know she doesn't really know she was doing too much, But we love dugging it out together and figuring it out and being together and I said to her, Arlene I can't move I can't See, she goes Stop me, Jennifer you're sccaary me. And I go, no, I really can't move. I said, No, I can't move. You should get somebody. And she's like, stop, stop. I said, get BOB, my security guard. And she got it And I was like, I can't move and I can't see it and like I couldn't move. I was just paralyzed Yeah And he picked me up and put me in the car we went to the hospital. And it was crazy. And I said to the doctor. I said, amm I going crazy And he said, no You're not crazy. It's exhaustion. Yeah. he's like you're you shut down. I remember I remember speaking of Masrla. I remember We were shooting a couple days like downtown somewhere And the level of attention I remember you having to drive to set And they had to put blinders on the thing for you to drive into. And there were photographers on the roofs of the building across the street. Yeah. And I remember and then and they had the base camp set up in this parking lot downtown. and I remember these dudes randomly putting cameras under the fence and just shooting like this, hoping to get somebody. And I thought, o my God Yeah That is so. And by the way, there are a lot of people go like, oh, well that, you know, that's the price you pay for fame and all that kind of busllh. and And you're like, oh yeah, that's pretty rough, man. Like you don't have It's second. Yeah, you you It can be really tricky and you learn to kind of like live a certain way. Like I don't go out all that much. You know, and I I now whereere I can go. Yeahah, to this day. And I have my like very small group of friends And they come over Or we do things or we go on trips, but even when we go on trips, it's very curated and you have to learn because it's just it's part of it. Jason calls photographers. he lets them know they have his schedule. Yeah and they have access to his eye cal. they never show and they never show. What about now that sort of surgical mas are so sort of like accepted in public and so commonplace now do you ever enjoy that level of, you know, sort of I feel like people always know it's me and I feel stupid. If I put a hat like too l it's like is a J LO J. You know what I mean? It's like stupid. I put a mask on. They'll even recognize my voice sometimes if I'm just talking in a store Like I'll see people creep around the aisle like they heard me talking and I'm like, I Did your friends call you JO when you were growring up? No. No, not at all. Not at all. That was something that I always credit Heavy D. I don't know if you guys remember. Oh yeah.. was a rapper. backack in the day.. And we all the Sony artists, there was a place called the Hit Fory here in New York. And all of us recorded there, a lot of people recorded there. It was a big studio And we'd always people' always come in and out, you know, to other people's studios and I met heavy at that time and he was he just always used to call me Jenny Low He's like, J Lo J Jenny Lo and I like I'm gonna call my next album JLO. know. I love that. I think It's so cool. Yeah, and that's kind of how it happened. It was really, very simple. it just stuck. When did Jenny from the Block come? Well, I was gonna get to Jenny from the Block. Yeah. It was the next album. So JLO was my second album. The first album was on the second thirird album was This is me then And that had Jenny from the block on it. Do you know you spawn how many people in the world probably refer to their friends Jennifer as Jenny from the Block. Like we have my God right Yeah you do come across a whole But also they all do their names. Oh my people call me Aido or I like like they put their name together and somethinguff like that. Yeah. Jason would be Jayba Yeah, youB J JB J you're Siha Some sayaha. S Saha Say h it doesn't work. doesn't work. Itesn't work I ro all the time. No So but getting back to the your when you were first starting because I think it's fascinating that you went from the time frrame of in living color which was, you know itss own story, which we could probably talk about forever. But in liivving Cor to money train to Selena A that time, you really had to prove yourself as an actress and you probably worked hard to do that, right? What did that period feel like when you look back on it where You're like, wait, how do I trend how do I get people to take me seriously from dancing on and living cl to being an actress Well, it's funny. My very first movie was a movie called My Family M Familia, which Greg Novel.. And it had Edward James Almost in it. That was the very first time I worked with him. I played the young matriarch in the movie. and Right from that moment, I think People seeing that little piece of tape That really helped make the transition because it was a great little role and I had to like cross the river from Mexico into the thing and I'm like swimming and I'm like I'm actioning and I'm crying with the baby. and it was like a great little juicy with a spirrl. but it was juicy. And with that piece of tape people were like, o, She can act. She's an actress. and I was. and I had worked on it before I did my first movie. I studied it acting all throughout. And Livving Color really brought me out to Los Angeles and that's when I started like taking classes all the time. Reading all the books and doing all the things. I love You did and then you did, God, I remember this movie holds up. I love it so much. You're so great and out of sight. Oh Oh my God Yeah. you were so that movie is so good.. So so good. go Oh you're so good in that. It's such a great movie, you know, really is. You really dragged Clooney along, you know, because no, you did launch you launched something. You made Clooney look good and I don't care if hears this. You it look good. And that's Sodaberg character And Sodaberg too. Yeah, yeah Stven two you really helped those guys. Yeah, I really helped him. No, but talk about that movie if you will just a little bit because that was like a real That movie like really went like huge She knows what she's doing. I mean you already were, but Yeah, I was excited. Listen and I got really lucky in the beginning of my career to work with like someome really great directors, Stehven Sootderberg, Oliver Stone, Francis F Coppola. like I was like I worked with Robin Williams. Like there was it was a really beautiful beautiful beginning to an acting career for me, for sure. Yeah, and working on out of sight, it was funny. The thing I remember the most about out of sight Um What's up One of the things is Steve's on because we had like one of the most epic nice ever singing musical theater. I think I was singing to him and telling him I was going to be a singer. and he was like, you're right. I was like, I am I am I'm working on my album right now. like I was so young and kind of like goofy and whatever. And he but I also remember like the auditioning process for that And Go I remember the last like I read for Stehven and he was like, I think I like these tal to Geids. Like I like this girl Jennifer Lopez to play this role. And he was like, okay, and they had me go do like a chemistry read and I had to drive to George's house. And I remember getting there and there was a pig in the front yard This is the real Hollywood shit. This is weir stuff H Rich Kine collecting the mail. Yeah. he had his pig and we were there and We You know, we read like on the couch together Literal casting couch. And we were just had this chemistry that really worked and Stehven just loved it and I got the role and I was so happy because it was a really great role as well. Did you get it there in the room or Yeah I think yeah, by the time I got home, they had called my agent and said that you know, they wanted me. Ohs That's great. How do you with so much ility across Um you know, mediums, how and anything that you basically declare you're going to do, it's going to find financing and it's going to find an audience How do you decide what to do? If anything is a viable direction like I mean you could you could start a musical tomorrow or you could do another album or you could you could finance you could start a movie. could you could act in that movie, direct that movie could open it day. could do it. You could start Yeahah, you could start like a cupcake store down the street. I do have I do have cookie dough that I would I call J Doough There off is the best chocolate cookies in the world. And one day I'm going to I'm going I'm going to make this I'm going to share it with the world because it' so you don't sell you don't sell it y. No. No That's a mistake. This is this is we can announce it today. It money on the table gonna be Jo. I will. loveookies. Really, So how do you decide where to put your energy and your You know, it'sense. You ask that question because I don't think I think one of the things about my career and sometimes, you know, there's in any long career, there's ups and downs youud swing for the fences and you, you know, fail, and then there's times when it's just like You know, it just you just hit it out of the park and R now I think I just didn't ever realize that I had that kind of power. I always felt again, like the scrappy one kind of trying to erring on the side of humility and not assuming something til you're sure. I think that's a healthy place to be. And it did serve me in certain ways, but in other ways, I always felt like whatever I got was good enough inststead of going, wait a minute, is this right thing to do right now or is that the right It was just kind of like work work, work, work, work, work, work. I'm working, I'm working, I'm working. And I think it wasn't just just now asm my kids are about to leave to college in about a few months. They're both eighteen. Don't make me cry, okay.. I'm with you Yeah, and they're twins. So they're both leaving at the same time.' going to be me by myself And I'm looking at like what I really want to do. And for the first time In my life, I've I really takeaken more control of exactly what you're saying. like what do you really want to do? Like do you want to direct? Do you want to do musicals What have you not done that really feels fulfilling to you because I actually have realized that I do have that that I have earned that over these years. and And I should be very I want to be very intentional about what I do. over these next four or five years. You can take agency over your own life and Yeah. I also like give myself a pat on the back, which I never do. I never do and I never should. Yeah. I go, you know what? you created this. That little girl would like I always say this was like holes in her shoes in the Bronx, you know what I mean? I wear my sneakers down where this part of my foot was out all the time. I that's gonna to be a me. If I asked you right now, what what do you really love and value most in your life? I'm sure that you would say your kids. But if I narrowed that to what your career represents for you What its just sort of in a pursuit of like trying to find an answer for what you would want to do next or your next chapter would be, what is it that you enjoy the most that your career has provided you? it Is it respect? Is it Eless possibility? Yeah I think it's that I have opened up an avenue for myself where there's endless possibility and I can really create a new dream right now for myself. Yeah for sure. And I just moved into a new house. L everything in my life has changed over the past couple of years. I moved into a new house. What happened Okay. Oh, that's for another time. It's a different podcast. That's a different Right,. Guys, keep rolling, guys, keep rolling, keep rolling. You come over, we have a glass of water in the a. You come to the new house and it's amazing.. And I like built my little corner the worldld Dream house, I got my kids some horses. we have st. That's great. Like. I was like, please come home, please come back homees your horses.. There's horses here and just really thinking about like With all this change, it's actually been a very emotional time for me Um where yes, I'm crying because they're leaving. But I'm also like staring down like, what is my life now The past twenty years, it's been one thing the past Five years has been a tumult you know, and then the last two years has been kind of the healing process from that tumult where I really got to know myself And the person I am today is so different than the person I was even two years ago. It's crazy. And now I can really look at my life, appreciate for what it is and what I've created for myself and be really happy. And both my kids like got into all their colleges and they both got scholarships and they're going where they want to go. It's just I was like, you did that shit all by yourself. That's great. 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Visit ADt. com or call one eight hundred A D T A S A P to the show I was just going to say, I think it's awesome that you the way that you talk about it and you seem so sort of clear headed and calm knowing we sort of joke about it about how much people perceive or think that they know about your life and what you've gone through and all that kind of stuff. And you have to kind of put that in a weird place because Right that people have this sort of thing that they think and then you but you have to actually go through it. And like you said, when you started, like, you're just a human being and people forget that. You know what I mean? Like they it's so it's so crazy to me because we don't really understand other people's experiences unless we walk in their shoes. Right. And there's also, I think I think I don't to cut you off really, but I do think, you know,'re all we're all aware of and some of us are friends with some people that have like this enormous level of celebrity and exposure that actually enables the ability for enables them to stay exactly who that is for kind of as long as they want. In other words, there's this real permissive culture around celebrity, and you don't kind of have to be the best part of you and you don't have to grow. like you know, what you just said Jennifer that you know the past two years has been about the healing and that you're so different now than you were even two years ago, five years ago Do do you recognize that that's that that can be a real accomplishment for somebody in your position. Like I think that's a real great Aab boy that you've clearly put in time and work and self reflection and could have just kind of just kept eating the junk food of the permissive culture around you and just kind of lean back. but it sounds like you're leaning into Who am I going to be for this next chapter? what have I learned et cetera, et cetera one hundred percent, I Again, there's been different times where I felt like whether people outside knew it or not, where they feel like my life blew up in my own face. And it was because of the choices I made, but also because the fact that I had things that needed to change about myself that I didn't understand or recognize that was attracting certain things and attracting a certain type of you know, experience into my life and I really needed a fight honestly That thing where and you can go either way. you're right, it is a choice. I want to give myself that credit too. but There comes a point where it's all so puzzing and wrongong where you have to sit there. And after my last divorce, I just sat there and I was like, I canceled my Torah and I sat there and I was just like, you need to fuckking figure yourself out. What is going on with you? Forget about everybody else. There's nobody to blame here except yourself in a certain way, not that people don't behave in a way that's not great, but What are you doing What do you have going on? and that was that was a turning point for me. That was a couple of years ago now. I had the same thing about two, three years ago. mayaybe I've told you guys this in and private before, but I had a moment before I got into real therapy a couple of years ago where one day I was making coffee in the morning and I swear to God and I went, I remember distinctly what was happening in oat milk, Not the date. oat milk. oat milk. milk. And I remember and I went, I said out loud to myself, it's you. And I had this real, I was like, oh my God, I need to do some work. I go. But by the way, everybody needs to do that at some point in your. by the way, everybody goes through this. I mean, it's all sort of relative It's part of the being human, right? being human is We all have things that blow up. We get these parents They do the best they can or they do as much as they can for certain parts about ourselves. and then our journey is kind of the undoing and the healing of those things of the patterns that that created. And so in doing and looking at those patterns, I was able to kind of like to that little girl and we look at her and go That little seven year old girl, like I said, with the rip nightgown, like I can see her right now with it like my hair was like up to here and it was about the same color. and you know what I mean? Yeah thirty feet walking around barefoot all the fucking time. Yeah. And I was barefoot now. You yeah, just that. Still nothing's changange. Still and Jenny from the Black. and just kind of like goingoing, you did this Yeah. you did all this. Yeah. Give yourself a little fucking something, like a little love.. Stop looking for love in other things. Yeah. and give it to yourself.'s so much to love in you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And you don't see it becausere you're in this business and everybody's telling you you're bad at this and you're bad at that and scrutinizing and criticizing your personal, your professional life and you're not doing this enough or you didn't choose that right movie or that song didn't do as good as last one. and you're like, And it plays on you and it plays on those places that were reinforced when you were younger of like whatever it is, the impressions that were made on you because of the way you were loved or cared for in different ways. And its just it's also intertwined. and I find it very interesting and I love it because I really do believe people are capable of change because I I've experienced it. And it is is And a lot of that fuel for change comes from that self love but that self love is often so hard for all of us to kind of recognize and utilize because it's hard to see because we're living with ourselves every day. You know, you kind of get used to some of the things that you really should be taking a second to to be pleased with about yourself. It's like you can' you can't see your own hair grow, right? Like you see see your understand what it is to love yourself like to understand to whatever you want. and I think having kids for me changed a lot of that because I realized whatever I want to give them Like why wouldn't I give that to myself? Yeah Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't I appreciate those things about? Why don't I, you know, if you want respect from people, you have to respect yourself. Those are actions, right? Like those are real tangible things. And being my sister said to me once, Linda, who I think is so smart, and she was like When are you going to be your own keeper You keep everybody else. You take care of mom, you take care of me, you take care of the kids, you take care Everybody who works for you, you take care. When are you gonna be your own keeper? And I was just like yeah, and these are all little pces. I feel like the journey is like pieces pieces little puzzle pieces that you fit in little by little as you like sit there with the oat milk and go It's me. Yeah, ye. This fucking thing that just happened me.. And you know, you mentioned the kids, I sort of realized also that like that act of the way that we love our kids, for me anyway, my experience is being loving to them allows The reason it feels so good is because you're generating that and then you get it back. And it's when you close off and you don't act in a loving way pushing, I find the more I push out, the more it comes back. And so like with my kids, that's why it feels so good Because you're creating that as opposed to kind of rolling up the window on it. Do you know what I mean? I don't know No, I agree. And the kids are a great learner, but relationships are great. you know, kind of learning grounds as well, where you really get to face yourself If you get lucky enough to be with somebody who actually really cares and loves about you in the right way, there's a lot you can learn from each other, even if things don't work out. You know what I mean? But Jason, I'm sorry I cut you off. I was just like had to get that thought out No, no. I was kind of done. I was just saying it'ss a dumb metaphor or analogy to not being able to recognize your own hair growing because we see ourselves in the mirror every single day. But if you don't see somebody for a few weeks or, oh your hair hass gotten long. Your hair is the beard. You can't really see the things inside of you that you probably should be. got theest you've got the greatest hair of all time I was trying to back into a comment. I know Jason's got the greatest really do. got greatest that I mean. You know what? Jennifer, you want to know something? He hasn't put a comb or a brush in it since he was eleven. That's story. Yeah. And he doesn't color it. He doesn't color it. Also true. He's so handing. guysu. You know, I mentioned it before, Jen, it's like, you know the maybe I didn't mention it. I think I mentioned in the intro where you left home when you were really young and you slept in a dance studio or something as a As a girl. I the craziest things. I know, but don't you look back at that with everything we're talking about now and giving yourself and loving yourself, looking at that and going, w, I was sleeping on the floor of a studio on my own, not even living at home And look what I've done, like it's kind of it's just mind blowing. It's crazy because my mom and dad like, I was about to start college or was I had just done a semester of college and I was just like, I had a dream that I'm going to be in show business and they were like We lived in the Bronx you know, they were like this crazy bitch and I was to say No, dad, and my mom was like, You're not dropping out of college. You are crazy. You know how much we do you can go to college and. And my dad was like, didid you have a dream? Baile, I said, Dad, I did. I really did.. Anyway, the next few months was tumultuous and I wound up leaving the house and I kept I kept skipping I stopped going to class at college and I was going to the dance studio and literally taking class all day. I just to be a lawyer in love with it I was yeah, I wanted to be a lawyer. I worked in a office for a few years during high school and I was like really good with numbers and taxes and things like that. And I don't know. I just could feel I was just good at it and they loved me And I And I just was on this track to be a lawyer. and I was going to apply to law school whatever I don't know. Anyway. Yeah, I mean, it's wild to know that. Yeah. Yeah. it didn't happen and I decided to like go sleep on the dance floors. I needed somewhere to go and me and my mom had a big falling out And I called a dance teacher and I said, you know, can I come stay I sleep on the couch at the dance studio And he said, yeah That's crazy. He liked me, but yeah. Do you still have a talent for numbers and bookkeeping and that types of thing? Like are you involved with your or do you just kind of just let you just No I'm smart about it, but and I've always been very tune with my business managers like not to let my money get away from me You're like playing the markets and like, you know, looking on the stock pages and like I do some investing. Yeah. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like some people I know they really like they handicap companies kind of like horses and they really follow as that I't, I don't. And I left that behind probably can, you know do multiplication Now My kids math is too hard for me when I try to help them. But you know what I just read the other day this should be good. Thery. page of a book. They don't teach cursive anymore in school. I haven't done I the last few years. I know. why is that Well, I guess because typing is such a big thing I know, but like some point anymore.. But you got to sign your name and stuff. Exactly, like what is your name in kindergarten I think and that's it. That's it. We're done. husband every's handwriting, self assessment on your handwring. Oh because you don't get to practice it, but I work I know how I bed My brain works faster than my hand, so I can't You know Al also when I have to write a birthday card I'm like it's horrendous. Wait a minute. Yeahush sh it out. It's crazy. Do you do all cs? Do do all caps? I do like a hybrid. It's terrible. Yeah, mee too. It's a hybrid. Yeah. What's I just start every sentence in cursive and then end up going just for legibility alone. I want people to understand what the hell I'm writing So Drew. Okay, so this is like I'm going just because we're almost at speed around. I' with aroundround Sed arounded So We're gonna do like a little tiny, something speed aroundound. if you is name getion San try to introdce to the podcast Your music career, which is just massive. and I've been I know every other song that you've ever recorded and I just think it's incredible. I mean You know, it's pretty insane. I just had a number one dance record Like really weeks ago? Yes. Yeah. I had a new record out called Save Me Tonight And I went and I performed it at Coachella And after that like went to number one. That's amazing. It's amazing. It is amazing. Had you done Coachella before? Never. It was my first time at Coachella. Was it Was it a freaky big experience or was it It's massive. It's big. and it's I' never been. I didn't know what it was like or whatever, but you have all these people and I And I hadn't done a dance record in a long time and David Geta had this record. and I I was going out on tour last summer to do like a little limited tour overseas. and I was like, I need some new songs. Like I'm tired of performing the same old songs. So I did like five by the way, we're not tired of this song. I still do them. I still do them. but I did like five new records three ye have four five new records and I put them in the show just for that. and this one kind of popped off and so we released it. a couple months ago or something. And what about videos? People still make videos, right? They do, they do, but it's not same Yeah, I don't really even feel like I need to sometimes. Do you guys do you have to pay for them I do. I do Yeah, because it's different. Like when I started, they'd spend millions of dollars on videos like a million dollars, two million dollars were big budget videos, you know Michael Jackson J used to do like seven million dollarsos. you know. But now because of streaming and how the record business has changed since I started, it's like a whole different world. You have to shoot them on your iPhone yourself, one hundred thousand bucks. They sometimes they give you seventy five. It's really a different thing. And that's to promote the album that you have a lim probablyroably through social media too. Yeah. Right. and it's not even your album. it's the labels album and the way the music industry runs nowadays, correct me, most of the income for the artist comes from touring as opposed to album sales. Is that right? Absolutely. Yeah. Now speaking of touring, you've done toured forever, you didn' obviously massive, massive shows your whole life. You know I love horrible theater stories. You might not know this, but giveim me something that happened on a tour that just went horribly wrong. That's funny. Well, I don't know if you saw this. was Oh yes, I know what you're going to say. I know what you're going to say. The thing on my neck Did you see it?, I saw No, I thought're going to say when you fell No, that that happened, but that wasn't on tour. that was on television. That's right. And it ran on CNN for the next three days.ucking coxics was fucking on fire. it was just like it was awful. But no, I was gonna say this summer on tour. I was I just wrote three jokes, sorry. I'm not doing them the cockx's on fire and you take pills for it and all never mind. Y. This summer, when I was on tour, I don't remember where I was. Oh God, which actual date it was, but I was there and was I might have been in Spain because I was singing a Spanish song And it was like the slow moment in the show. You know, usually I'm dancing around and doing the choreography and like a fucking in a G string. All right. I'm whipping my hair around and it's a good time. And. And so I'm standing there fully dressed. And I have this thing on, it's like outfit on. and I'm singing and it's really quieted. Its just a spotlight on me And I don't know like All during the show, I was seeing like little bugs and things around. but you know, we're outside. of this I said. They're attracted to the light And so everything is dark except for me