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I joted it down a couple of things that have happenedick Do Nick do it No, I do it Just right before we sign on. Does Scotie ever ever recommend or suggest, Hey, you know it would be fun for you you guys talk about twenty. everver? No, not really, no. All right, so what are the hot topics today? let's go for a hot topic for show. Well would got down there. So my sister was here, you know Yeahah, the Tracy, listener, the Tracy not only exists, but she had a little stay. at Sean's house. Yeah. Yeah. and Jay you called and she I call and you talked to her. you two were spooning, right? I mean, like spooning in bed. Yeah. Scottty' weird about that. No, you guys were were udding. It's fun Yeah. U That's fine We could use, you know what? we could use more cuddling in this world We could and maybe a little less gum. Yeah yeah. Fuck E know I know it's hard to remember 'cause you know, we do these like a week apart and then you forgget a lot in six days It's difficult. Is there like a nicotine cream? What about if you found like a cream you could just put on your shoulders or something Yeah, what about Yeah, Is it like a testosterone cream O yeah that I've bad about Yeah. So I've heard about that too. No Yeah. Oh yeah,'s not working. It's not working. I need to do a few more clicks. So Seany, hot so Tacy was here and we watch the documentary. You guys got to see. this's called Trust Me, the False prorophet Wait, is this the one about the way? I heard about it? Yes, somebody told me about it. Well, no, it's not about the Morment. It's about the fundamentalist Church of Latter day Saints. Isn't Is that which is an extension of's Oh, I didn't know that.. So. So Sam Bateman, right? Yes, that's right. I thought of you I'll bet you did. Yeah, it's u I exain yourself, Jason Yeah, I don't know if there's a relation there, but I would guess that there is. I mean, our family is out of Utah So I mean, no that was probably your first tip, I guess, huh? that What kind of guy you going in that direction? I'm not an experienced investigator, but those are two hotids. Name and location. Nothing gets past you, dude. It's unreal. Name and location So how is Sam doing, Jason? Yeah, I have not spoken to him for years. No. I have no idea I haven't seen since the family reun. But Amanda did actually just this morning, say that she finished it and she said it's really worth watching that it lands the plane very well Yeah, it's sad and fascinating and all those things. It's you know, there's a bateman that runs through that great John Crack Hour book that that I optioned and produced that Under the banner of Heaven. Under the banner of heaven. It's a great read. if you've never read it, it's a great read. Yeah, it's tragic. But there iss a batement that goes through that and I bet he's related. Did you guys you made that, right? We did How was't I gonna watch that? Andrew Garfield plays plays the lead in that. Yeah, how was on FX? Great. Yeah, beyond incredible. How was it? Yeah. Oh, I gott to see that. No I never saw it. I do want to see I I loved that. I lo that book. Yeah, that book is story What's it like generally in a one sentence? There's It's about two hundred and fifty pages, probably These brothers kill kill another brother's child and wife because they say they they got a sign from up above. It's not fun. It's not a fun it's not a fun. R, but it's not true story or It's a f true story. But what's int Yeah. everyvery other chapter sort of it's telling the linear birth and progression of the religion of Morminism And you can see how Yeah. Well, you can make your own decisions about Joseph Smith from coming from upstate New York and all that sort of stuff. and then they sort of breaks that down in his way. But either way, either way, wherever you land on it, it is a kind of I thought it was an excellent book. He's God Crackar was something else. Yeah.' Yeah that Yeah. Ohhean, sorry. one we'd sorry., let's get to the next topic. sorry this one S there Tracy. you're watching the dock. A you worried you just you can't be you just can't be yourself in the moment What it is No, we totally By the way, every day was that way you were just going to make a recommendation for media? Yeah that And also I saw now that we're talking about documentaries, Jay, I finally saw The apocal optimistic Oh yeah, the AI documentary. Yeah, ye AI do That was wild So where do you think? A are you a bull or pessimistic about you. Yeah know, I can't be pessimistic. I can't, I can't.. I have to believe just so I can get through every day that AI and us will work together. AI is not going to destroy the world That mankind will will do the right thing when when when presented with an option to use this incredible technology for good or for bad I always believe humanity will win out in the end Hey guys, you know, that's so good. Speaking of humanity I' tell you Belly. I wait, well, you about to get to the intro It's still me No sorry. Wait, Sean, you had one more bullet point or not. That was it was just cultural recommendation. Sean, we shouldn't ment it in just our little our little side menu our little side thing, which is Sean's menu, which is becoming our new. It's our new. ' It's our new feature called Sean's menu. Last night, Jason and I got received a text in the chat and a picture of the beginnings of a beginning of a S'mores extravaganza on a Monday night Yeah fully dark out yet though. No, fully not fully dark, notot in a beach setting, not on a vacation around a campfire. Just a Monday night in Losles. Monday night. Yeah. regular dessert. It was a Dessert was at six fifteen, by the way, I. And it was and it was elegantly laid out on a plate with proper ratios of graham crackers, chocolate and mushroom or not mushroom'm sorry, marshmallows. there on the plate Yeah, veryery dignified like this is your S'mores kit that the chef laid out for you. No, I did it myself. I was all alone. Scottty was out of town. I was alone. I had. so That was just for you. That was just for me, yeah. And I had four in a row. But wait, this is this is the hack. This is the S'ores hack. Oh yeah, tell us. I take the chocolate and I microwave it so it's more like a sauce. Yeah. and then I pour the sauce onto marshmallow. You f it out, mother. Yeah. it's not like you're just biting it you just stuff it whyy do you just stuff it all in your mouth and hop it a sauna And just let it know to do that Okay. All right,, That's not a bad idea. All right. What are you doing? E rking sning Most people go in there to lose some weight. San goes in there Really dive into the sweets. O to reheat any sort of food, you'll just walk in there with this plate uckingll Bangong. Unbelievable. Why was is the wattage? Well, you were doing that. I'll say this. ourur guest, Sean, you can like this He started performing on Broadway at the age of seven. Really funny. o? Yeah seven years old starting on Broadway and has continued on on and off on Broadway amongst the other amazing things he's done, which have been had multiple number one albums Start tooppping singles in a gorilla and also as with a solo career. Hugh Aackman and incredible acting credits across film TV, bigig studio movies, prestige TV, then returned to Broadway. been nominated for Golden Globes, headline Global Tours. cooached on the Voice Okay and built a career that goes that went from teen idle to serious actor tog and legitimate musician all the way through, which it's how it ended. Okay. he's got his new his new record came out february sixth Sunday best marking his first solo project in nearly five years. Please welcome to the show. Nick Jonas, you guys N. Come on You look nothing like Howie Mandel Whatr you Jackman. Well, give it time, give it time. Hello to Nick guys. Nick. What' you This feels overdue I an intro. That was great. Yes. I thought insane. I started to go in globes I know That was so lovely. We were backstage at the holding room for the presenters. My wife was presenting. It's not a big room. That's not one of the bleakest, most depressing rooms in Hollywood Yeah. just walked in and way too small the ceiling I did enjoy listening to you guys rehearse though. It was the master cllass and Well us and you guys rushed the bit. It went viral after. It was great. we do we honestly rehearse You don't remember There's a little side room. No. At the moment. We ran it back like six times. It was great. We did. Yeah. Yeah back. Just for timing. And It was nothing like just for time. Just for timing. You gotta do.ust familiar with the piece. Did't you think that Jason should have spoken up? He was a little soft on that one line? If we were still rolling, I'd go back and raise the volume a little bit. Yeah. 'ause you were turned away. the attitude was great and the performance was great. We just needed to hear it better. Oh cheers, man. You know, Pople loved it. It was great I loved it Cers ick. Thanks for having me guys. Yeah. of the pod. Dude, it is so overdue. It's it's so overdue that you're here. And and like I said in in the intro, as you go back and you look at all the stuff you've done, from such a young age and how much incredible success you've not just had, but continue to have. it's remarkable, man. It's so It's so singularly like that is so to do. and it's really It's a really a tribute to your talent. It's unbelievable. It's just that you've always at everything you've done, you've excelled and you've managed to sort of keep it you know, you've done top rated stuff and that And I wonder if for you do you starting young like that, did you feel pressure like I got to keep this going? Did you ever feel that Pressure starting starting so young I think to a certain deree, yeah, know I started, as you mentioned before, on Broadway as a kid was lucky enough to do a few shows, and then it was actually a family friend that that heard a song Oh does it sound bad No, no, familyily friend, those stories never really go well. Oh I I'm on set right now. There's trucks behind me, so's this one does go well. Family friend, he also happened to be our chiropractor. He's like guys. We're gonna take a sh break He he told my dad, he's like, Look, you know, I know Nick recorded this song. I'd love to play it for this guy who works at works sound a musicroup Did he ever didid he ask you to just relax Thankfully, thankfully not. But you know, started recording and Then we got signed as a trio me and the brothers. And I think, you know, because we had We had sort of early in our career. Um had a big failure. O our first album did not do well. We got dropped by our first label. Oh God. It took It took, you know, us finding a home with with Disney and our partners there to kind of really step into the next phase. And I think That resilience came from that early perceived failure, right? Right, right, right. Well, that's yeah, I mean, did you have, am I right about first of all, I read somewhere that and I don't you tell me if it was true that you were first discovered by like a talent manager or pushed towards one when you were at I had like a barbberers shop like getting a haircutter or something. I had a hair salon my mom. Yeah, I was six And I was always singing you know, before I was even talking And she was getting her hair done. I grew up in Jersey. and so we're known for our hair salons diners, bowling alleys and sure shopping. And yeah, so she was getting her hair done. I was I was saying the woman next to her said, Hey, my son is Is Gav Rche on Broadway. I think your son could do it. You go see this talent manager So We went in to go see Shirley Grant. was it wasas it Gateon Madarazzo, by any chance. Did't he play Gabrosache on Broadway? U no, he played Gabroch later than I did, I think. I did it in early two thousands. Um Basically, went to this talent manager's officeer her name is Shiry Grant. recippe, sureirlely She's got her walls lined with like, you know, headshots of little actor kids, weird actor kids who look you in the eye and shake your hand really intense. You looking at you, JB. Yeah He's looking at you. D you notice that? he's looking at you? And she started sending me on auditions and that was kind of the start to my run doing shows. And that's so nuts. So you played Gabroch I played Gavrosch. Who's Gabrosch? I'm embarrassed to say I don't know. He's He's the kid that basically is the kind of narrator for for the second of the story of It basically when Valjan. haveave you seen Lemen? of Lem O of Lemz you I don't he's the he's the only kid in the whole Spoiler alert, he gets shot in the head and he gets killed And it's as a child actor, it's, you know, a dream role. You get to do real snap the head back and die. I also played full full side full sidebar pause ave either you have, you've just admitted have you guys ever been shot in a production in a show or anything that you've had to get shot Yeah, I thinkve I've bored bored you guys with my little house in the prairie story of getting shot. first time I ever shot. No No. I've never heard it. I was what was I ten, ten or eleven, something like that. first God, they're shooting a lot of kids in these productions. Okay. first First big first big gig. I'm playing this this kid me and my older brother, we walk into to a bank there in the little western town and it's in the middle of getting robbed. Well we don't know that. We walk in ding ding, the door chime goes and the bank robbers turn around and they see these twos and he fires and hits me right in the chest or the leg or whatever the hell it is Um, We shoot the rehearsal. Michael Landon's directing this episode. We shoot the rehearsal. so I get shot and I throw myself against the wall I slide down the wall and when I get to the floor, I start shaking and quivering like one does because you know all you can see is in the movies and a TV. and then I slowly expire And and all I hear is total silence. My eyes are closed on the floor and I just hear Michael Laning go Okay, we're gonna cut And he walks slowly over to me. I still have my eyes closed. I'm still in him.'m still today. And he whispers in here, Okay, we're going to do another one. And this time I'm going to want you to just collapse on the floor. to get shot. I want you to slowly just collapse and quietly expire. Here we go, everybody back to walk I was so morified and embarrassed. I mean, I was just you know, vibrating and and throwing my s Sure. terrible. Sure. God bless you, Jie. That's good.' feeling it. So so you do So you're gonna to say after you said after Gab Ros, you play. Oh, yeah. So I did my first show, I did a Christmas carol, which is kind of a seasonal. So technically not a Broadway show, but An to getet your gun was my first show with Reiba McIire I did it with Franklingeella. A actuallyually, it was pretty incredible. play played Scrooge I was u actual character nam Scrooge at eight Um And I was the understy I was the under stududy for Tiny Tim. and in the eight years that this show had run, they'd never had a Tiny Tim cover have to go on So I just didn't bother rehearse the tiny tin covers.. And the year I did it, you know, again, my dad gets a call and they say, Hey,, Nick's going to go on for Tiny Tim today. We got to get you here an hour before the show to do a put in So I rush over to the theater and basically run the five scenes that Tiny Tim has and the two songs. And, you know, thrust thrown out there for the opening kind of song and literally my mind goes blank. sixteen bars of just silence as the music's playing. this really intimidating conductors there look me in the eye and it was a good entryway into live theater. you know, shit had a roll with it But as an eight year old, I was pretty mortified. Screge today would be a good title for autobiography if you ever decided to write one. I'm to write that down actually.'s a good idea. Wa did that did that instill a fear in you about performing going forward Well, the conductor came up to me after and I was expecting him to sort of scold me or something like a teacher would. inststead, he came down on my level and He said, thingsings happen. You just got to keep going next time. Yeah. He said, we're just gonna to drop to the floor. Yeah. Yeah just collapse. We just collapse. We're about to reset and we're and expire. And just you gonna collapse and expire. Actually, I wonder if hearing you say that and Sean, your question, I wonder if it had the opposite effect of having that, you kind of mentioned your first record wasn't the hit that it didn't go well, that you had that experience at eight on Broadway In a lot of ways, it probably galvanizes you because if you can kind of get through that at such a young age. Yeah. Right? in a lot of ways, you kind of go like, well, fuck I've done that already Like, you know, otherwise you're waiting for that moment your whole life. like when is going to be the time that I'm going to completely bottle it in the in the moment, you know Yeah, and I've had a few of those too later on momoments that certainly didn't go the way I hoped. But yeah, I do think that that early Those early experiences helps kind of create a foundation led to me not losing it. Yeah Yeah, what about the things that went? wayay better. than you thought they were going to go at an early age. Like, for instance you know the the like the incredible fandom of like like all of these like girls screaming at you even at an age where you might like you're just starting to like get all crazy about girls. And like is that sort of thing now that you're you're an adult and you you've managed to weather the transition between sort of like teen idol into an adult, you know professional actor, performer, et cetera you know, how does all that stuff kind of transition for you in your head about, you know, how much of it is real, how much of it is just part of the job? what do you do with all that sort of like ego surplus and you know, because it's all kind of junk food to a certain extent and like you got to figure out where to place it all, right I guess G'sreat question. I mean, I always think it's funny when people frame and answer this way. so forgive me for doing it. But I think You know One of the biggest misconceptions about us and odd to acknowledge your own misconception.. But it was that because we worked with Disney and the core of our demo was you know, primarily teens. Yeah, u You know there's no way this music came from an honest source or that it came from us, even. Right, rightight. And it was a really bizarre thing to sort of You know, being a spot where at thirteen, fourteen years old I was I was experiencing all the things you're talking about. first love, first heartbreak, real big you know, human emotions that I was able to into song in a way that spoke directly to that audience And when you ask about like what's something I thought went incredibly right, it would be that, the fact that Our dad raced us on this this This great bed of classics We discovered our own kind of sound and found our own voice creatively. and I had this outlet that both helps me process these big feelings. but also connected in a way that that Frankly, now, you know, we play these songs twenty years later has men and dads and husbands in her thirties It's even more resonidentant with the audience because they've grown with us.. trracking that over time has just been the most Fascinating thing and pretty Pretty special to be hon, you know And we will be right back Who doesn't love graduation day? we' looking hats, tassels, real avant garde stuff, right? 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We We lived in Dallas for a bit where I was born. and moved to Jersey and he became a senior pastor at this church there. and music was always a part of our life and, you know I think my latest album, Sunday Bass came out in February had really kind of Musically speaking, not so much but lyrically, but musically touches on some of those early musical roots in the church The thing is that he also really educated us on everything else, the you know, BeGs, the Beatles, Steie Wonder, Carool King, all the greats And we had, you know, a real sort of Dive musical education. by way of those hour long drives from our house in Wycooff, New Jersey to the city to go perform and shows there. Um Eventually, you know, we left the church or we're sort of pushed out because our music wasn't Christianusic, right? So some of the people in leadership there were upset about that and thought that we were Sinning. Sure. We took a different path. I was looking at you, Sean. He was looking at you. Yeah, No, I I can Sean, you want to talk about the time that you wake off in New Jersey? Okay, so listen, listen It's to start, Yeah That's so you had all this music and then you start and then you start acting and you have consistently gone back and seamlessly back and forth between the two and sometimes the marriage of the two in musical on Broadway And then yeah. and then and then doing serious acting roles and doing all that stuff. And is there one I mean, you don't have a lane. You have you're occupying multiple lanes at the same time U And how do you approach that? Do you have like an approach like, well, now, this year I want to spend more time making music or or does it just kind of flow It just kind of flows. and as of course you all know, the lead time for a film or TV project is so much longer, you know, than the turnaround time we can have in music. I could record a song This afternoon and then if I wanted to put it out this evening Yeah. But there's so many people that have to weigh into, you know how something gets made Um on the film and TV side. Which is something that is sort of new for me, you know on the development side of things and I always love hearing you guys talk about your process with development and that's been like because the last I'd say six years. kind of during and post COVID. Outside of touring and music and all that, that's been a really exciting thing is to to sort of do my best to to forge a path where I'm a little bit more in the driver's seat than I've been in the past.. been really fortunate to be a part of some great projects, but when you can start to develop things that you feel like are the right next steps for you and you're more in a sort of position to make decisions. It's a really empowering thing. How are you finding your like just to sort of follow up further on Will's question there like, are you G What what do you find is drawing you more towards acting at times and what's putting you more in a music mood? Is it you know, is it, um oney Yeah, I mean, but there are certain dr like I guess the question behind it all is what what is the difference in creative fulfillment that you find between acting and music? You know, what is What's what's touching you, you know in your in your in your most core place, um versus some other place, I don't know Yeah, I think that Honestly, becoming a father, we have a four year old Um That really changed everything for me as a creative bothoth on the music side and as an actor I've always loved acting and I've kind of bounce between, you know, things like U You know, Jimanji, for instance, which is very big and fun and exciting and incredible cast Um And then smaller things, you know, the one million dollar movie, right? the thing that that you just kind of grind and I love both and think that it's amazing to kind of have that that range. And on the music side M you know, the driver is the fans, truly, and I'm not just saying that it's It's bizarre to get to do anything for as long as we've now been fortunate enough to do, especially with the way it kind of began, you know with There is a a reality is the fact that en fans or that sort of heart throb label can be a challenging thing to step out of. And I think my our daughter and the experience that I'm having with her have me way more connected to the words I'm saying no matter what they are and kind of my worldview and everything else. So I can't really say one thing is more inspiring or exciting, but But actually looking at the world through her eyes in a sense gives me just a better perspective and a deeper you know, sort of angle on what I want to be doing. Well, and you've also had the you know Part of your experience has been a big part of it on and off has been continuue to work with family to work with your brothers on and off. Yeah. I mean, that's a very that's also very unique. And in addition to Your solo work is a musician And then your solo work, if you will, as an actor going from project to project O of the sort of one of the through lines has been has been what you've created with with your brothers. And I wonder is that something that you like Is that something that feels good as a sort of a steady thing that's always there that you can kind of lean on, that idea of that family and you guys doing that stuff together? What's that experience like Yeah, it's it's it's incredible get to do anything with the people you love and share and those experiences and Um you know, we we also had a moment where it wasn't good. You know, we've had that that of the Journey two where we had to basically say, let's not do the music together anymore work together so that the The family at, you know, the table can still all be there and love each other and know I think it took us sort of going through that that season and coming out the other side in a healthy way Yeah, becauseuse you guys went through like a, you know, the period in everyone's life of change that happens between the ages of like fifteen and twenty is massive You know, like and that was the you guys were just tied at the hip during those those years. Yes? orr I mean, whatly, absolutely. It was u You know, it was both good and bad. There are times you I look up and I look at folks who went through similar experiences to us who were on sort of a solo journey and didn't have that built in support system becausecause we would check each other too, you know, which was which was important to the dynamic and also be a shoulder to lean on when when there was tough times and frustrating situations to navigate. Yeah, I mean, you want to change so much, right? During those years, you kind of like you try on these little outfits. I mean, Will, we're seeing it with our kids, right? During those ages like kind of like You're kind of flexing a little bit and seeing like kind of like what kind of young adult you want to become. And if you've constantly got a sibling there, that's why siblings fight so much. It's like you're always calling each other bullshit, you know, and like, oh, just stop with the face or withice nice outfit or what's going on overir I was th about I was thinking about this with us, like as you were saying it Obviously, it's very different. But the three of us, Nick, in this way, have like Yeah, we've been friends for a long time. we're settled into who we're going to be. Yes, But at the same time, we check each other all the time. I facetime with both of you yesterday. I was gonna to do this thing on Thursday and Jason' like, you gott to play golf me, I'm leaving. I'm going to New York. You have to move that thing because I'm leaving. I'm not gonna be able to play for a while. I'm like, okay And I called the guy I was going to do with. I go, I have to go because Jason's leaving and I have to play golf him the day before he leaves. And he goes, I think it's so sweet that you guys still want to hang out with each other and I had't occurred to me. Yeah. But I get it. like they you guys are my constant in that way. like you're my thing we come back and get to do this together in that same way So I can kind of relate to that. It's different. again, I'm not And you also you guys are probably as fiercely protective as we are about maintaining the harmony because it does take some diligence. We don't talk to each other about like, you know the effort I made to avoid a conflict with you like, no, you got to take care of that shit internally and make sure that you're being the right partner to keeping everything like any family. Yeah, like any family, any relationship, you got to do your part And you got to also talk a decent amount of shit to the people you love. you have to be balanceced. got be he does have in spades. you got to. Wait, Nick, is there anything as far as your music goes, I was thinking about this when Will was kind of touching on this too. And you were speaking about it. Is there anything How do you determine of your personal life, what to share in a Con form through art You know what I mean Yeah. It's a good question. There are things that you that I Even a stop clock tells the right time. Yeah. No, he's got nominations to back it up. Yeah, he sure does Interviewer of the year Yeah. I don't think did he win He did not win didid not win. He did not win that No did not win. He didn't win until he got to the co host of versionation And then we won Yeahrats. There are things that I that I feel, you know are are probably better to just keep private, you know, and or find a different way to say it. But I I have lived a lot of my life you know, in the public eye. R. So Yeah, no shit. It would be odd to not acknowledge some of the things that are already known about Right, So you write these lyrics you know that you I mean, a writer only writes what a writer knows. So I'm assuming that your feelings, your emotions, your stories come from your life experience. And then oftentimes you want to sort of explore this through a song, but you're afraid the public might sniff out who that person might be. So you kind of change a name, maybe even change a gender, change who you are, change or make it a metaphor, right? Like all of a sudden it's about two dogs in a park or whatever What an imagination. think Is there a little bit of like a concoction going there sometimes when you when you're writing out lyrics? There is, yeah. and You know, are you ever a puppy who was enough with h nugs in the E a puppy or a kitty That's actually what the entire next album is about. Fucking Nick, please write a song about two dogs in a park. I honestly Figured out. There's gotta be a way over there like you first. You can premiere it on the pub. Yeah, but truly, yeah, it must be hard to decide how to do that Yeah, I mean, I think that it's always fun to think of a different way to say a thing. and to you know, to throw a metaphor in there, but but also, you know, to just say the truth is is So u empowering and instead of like they're just sniffing each other, you know, they actually they take each other out on the day God. Oh my God. It's the song's writing itself right now. F this is never going away. Yeah, I mean, have you ever had well, then then conversely the have you ever written a song and then had questions about it or felt like people misinterpreted it. Like they think that it's about something. you're like, Oh no, it's not about that. That that has happened a few times. And then the other thing that happens is that You know In the year twenty twenty six, there's only so many notes left Yeah' so many songs. Yeah. we first started putting music out in the early two thousands on any given you know, Friday release day, there would be Anywhere from thirty to fifty new releases There are now ousands, three to five thousand somewhere in their releases. Oh my go,. Every Friday. I've known and unknown artists. like how many? Yeah. I mean, there's just so much music out there, is Both incredible. and we love that there's so many people that are creative and that there is you know, new pathways for people to independently release music, all these things But the landscape has just changed so much and so As writers, we have to adapt as well and musicians, you know, you've got to find a new way to cut through. And this it's three thousand to five thousand now. and then in a couple of years, you're gonna have all the AI groups releasing stuff Exactly.el labels will probably just have certain groups that are fully AI, right? How do you feel about that If this one goes out to my mother Have you played around with like just get like a first draft of of a song or like whether it's lyrics or melody to see what AI can give you on just just on just a first pass that you then would change to make your own. I mean, any kind any kind of art, I think AI I hear can give you a first sort of pass at it as opposed to because the hardest thing is creating something out of nothing Right and I uh So About twenty five years ago or whatever it was, thirty years ago, probably not that far back. Let's call it twenty five. I don't know the exact facts uh, There's the introduction of autoune right into the music making process. Tell Tracy what that Be before that, were there were little tricks you could do to basically take the pitch of a singer and just bring it slightly back in tune So that it just sounded better Right And then there's compression, which is another tool that's used. So as, you know, modern music making muchuch like film and TV started using the technology available to them, it evolved, it changed and it became a part of the process you know, to where now hearing a song without auto tune to your ear would probably sound odd or just slight pitch correct rough rough or, you know, unfinished or raw or more real or more real, exactly. U My thing as it relates to the AI conversation and the creative process is that It is inevitable that this thing that is available to everybody will be used in some way and there will both be good and bad examples of how it's used But I believe that the lived experience, the human experience cannot be replicated. And certainly know, songs about dogs sniffing each other's butts in the park could only come from great minds, human minds.. Perfect All right, so But it's a really interesting conversation because it's happening, you know, the circles I run in LA with other songwriters and you know, and script screenwriters and Um It it's It actually and this isn't to like bring up the thing, but I have this movie coming with Paul Rud in June., which is all about My character basically effectively is artist. He's a sort of former pop star Boyband artists who Is it a crossroads in his career He wants to go to that next level and He meets Paul in a happen stance situation at a wedding that Paul's wedding band's playing at and And basically I steal I like it already. I steal this song from him and it becomes a global smash. No, and he doesn't get the credit. And then he comes after you. And he comes after me. It's a really fun movie. John Carney's a director. He's one of my favorite directors Paul's incredible new movie. and but that The basic kind of like hook of it is always had me when I first heard the logline and then when I read it, I was just blown away. but It asks the same question, I feel like that some of the AI conversation asks like what is this idea of ownership of truth and accountability and all these things And you know I'm excited for people to see it because it will leave you with a lot of questions. Yeah, I love that. I love thatound That sounds really good. I think we all there're all everything around this topic feel like just open ended questions because we just don't know. And we don't we're all trying so hard to figure out where it's going to end up And we're spending all our time just spinning our wheels going What's it going to be? Is it going to be good or bad? Is it going to be this or that? And I guess we just that's the frustrating part. We have to kind of surrender to. we don't No yet, you know? Yeah. What kind of I'm curious, what kind of music do you listen to? L if you if I were to turn on a playlist that you had right now, like what What's the kind of stuff that And I'm sure it varies like everybody like you go through phases and stuff. But do you have any kind of like specific genre or something that you always find yourself going back to or artist that you really I have a few, you know, I've got I make playlists that are are u themed. So I'll do like a a Nppo babies playlist and it's anyone that's related to that's funny. Another famous musician's funn. And it starts a good debate of who is the more Yeah, famous musician of the two whichich is a fun one. It's greatongs with key changes. So when me and my friends get together, we sit down and have a couple of drinks and we all like. pass the phone around and add to these playlists Asud. C it gives you Yeah, it's a fun game to play with your friends if you ever want to do it. And then oututside of that Jjango Reinhart Um is a gypsy jazz guitar player, just really puts me at ease and like it's always playing in our home along with My My wife, Priankca is Indian and I've learned so much about the Bollywood film scene and Indian films as a whole and the music from those movies and really come to love it. So that's those, you know Those are kind of my tentoles We'll be right back While tackling spring cleaning and seasonal allergens, better sleep matters more than ever. Helix offers over twenty mattress models making it easy to find the right fit for any sleep style. A great night's rest sets the tone for a better day. Struggles like night sweats, back pain, and emotion transfer can disrupt that. Helix is designed to help solve those issues. 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This built spill Goldzfell is up there, but it's not number one Oh, is it what's the the French fus fusion fusion band? Do you love?ith Smith is my number one band of all. I love that. What French French fusion. What's it called So there's a French Canadian fusion van that you just go twat on and on about. No, he's not French. Oh Bonn. Bonnie is French Canadians. He's from Wisconsin That's close. It's close and it's a French name. Bonny Bear iss amazing. love Bonny Bear? I love, love. He's incredible. He's Justin Vernon and those guys. and I think I turn Sewn to them, well, Sean. I mean was an earlier early adopion. Seaan Carey, who plays with when Justin Vernon when they were doing Bonny Bear, Seaan Carey' got a beautiful voice and the two of them There's a version. if you want to It means good winter, so it does. but with. Just see. There's a song. they released they did it live in a studio and you can go look at it on YouTube And it's Justin Vernon and Sean Carry on deling pianos and they're doing bnys. I can't make you love me. It's one of the most incredible It's one of the most incredible performances. JB, make fun of it as much as you want. You never understand it. Okay. You have the heart of AI. You have heart W Jason, as I would say, Jason is the personality of a Wo driver. But you Nick, check check it out check it out those guys I can't make you love me. It's absolutely heartbreak. But yes, I wanted to know his answer. I know, what's your favorite pin? If you had . The Beatles, you know, of course. Okay, sureure. Okay. And then The BeGes, I love the beGes. Um, There's a band called switch foot that we love. They were really influential for us Th now I'm called the beautiful letdown two thousand three. It's like San Diego Um, , you know, it's sort kind of like just just a It's that punk pop emo rock thing that Yeah, yeah, yeah. we'd love But yeah, the Beatles, I think number one I showing, you got a favorite band Well, the Smith is really, really, really, really high up there, but probably topech mode or Eerasure or newew orrder. All the all the European synth pop of the eighties and nineties. I listen to it every day still. Bronky Beat, Eerasure. Yeah, it's all the The best concert you've ever seen M H probablyroably the pass mount I mean to pashman because Yeah JB best concert you've ever seen. JB and Vavor band Radi We know what. it's radiad, Yeahah. Radiad, radioad Yeah I think the best concert I ever went to. was like nineteen. I want to say eighty five And it was The violent fms and the poogues in a double bill Wow, yeah. Yeah, I was sick. Where didd they play in Toronto I grew up in T a great concert city Is it is it a great is it a great concert? It is You know, one of the most asked questions on a golf course when I'm like playing with some guys that I don't really know is always What's what's the best city to play in? Yeah. and And it's I so it's Toronto Mexico City, Montreal, Great concert city. Great town U Barcelona. Wow. and Brazil. I mean, anywhere in Brazil like it's just wow. Listen, shout out to Toronto. I just want to say to all our Canadian listeners, we love you so much and our friends at RBC Wait a minute, but Nick by the way. Not a pay adad. not a pid adad. N.'m from I'm from a little tiny town called Glen Allllen, Illinois And you got played at the village Shout out It's just a net jet trip away. It's a net jet trip away. Okay. Net jets, it's the easiest way to get around. You know, but wait D you guys go to the masters this year I did not. I went last year Were you there this year? No, I missed it. I'm up in Vancouver right now. speaking of Canada. Is that right?. And. And I couldn't go, but my brother, Joe and I We first went To the masters back in twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen or seventeen Whatever the Sergio Garcia year was, I think it was Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we kind of made a tradition of it. We would go on Saturday night or Sunday morning and do Sunday. Well, it's a tradition.'s unlike any other And u you know, speaking of that, Jim Nances he's He' kind of been a family friend for a while. He's come to a lot of shows with his daughter. They have like a connection of coming our shows together. It's really sweet. and she's now, you know married and. it's it's a beautiful thing. Anyway, he he let us come into Butler cabin and watch his intro few times And um, and, you know, I was there the year Tiger one. I missed it this year. And I think I've seen you from afar Master's one of the years I went. And just one quick golf story' sorry to bore you. No I did this We're all in. I did this commercial. with Jordan Speith for Um A H and T. Yes, yes.. as a sweetener for the deal They were like, hey, u We're going to get you on to play on the Monday after Tourament Oo right after So I got to go and playaying Gusta How'd you score? How you sc so. I'm'm not playing to it now, but at that point I was I was a seven. and the conditions were brutal But I shot eighty four Ver That is really good. play their tees No, no, they had us they had us up. They be don' a. Well I mean I don't know things I went I went and embarrassed myself. I went with the Manning Bothers about a year ago, just over a year ago And I really stunk up the joint. I finally got it kind of got it together, but I really stunk up the joint. What you got to say I feel like they could be they could actually be like real working actors now, the Manning Bothers. They're very funny. Pett Manning he knows this. I've said I've embarrassed him many times. He's the greatest working athlete former athlete actor of all time. Yeah We're die hard Giants fans. So we had a great years with Eli. And we love Eli too. love We love Eli. Legend? Seaan Yo Yeah. Sean just tuned out more than ever. He's just he's still coming off his high from last night. He had a campfire. I don't know if you doew in Hankcoock Park had a little campfire. Campfire for one. I was going to ask you because I was listening in before when we jumped on How how does that work? the campfire Oside in Calor. It's's when I made my snore? It's on the stove. Oh o on the. I was like that seems really dangerous. O If the gas is shut off, you'll just go in the sauna, as we'll explain. Yeah. So you'll just, you're just sitting there jackassing it over an open flame in your kitchen on the stove. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. What And are you eating standing up? are you absolutely standing up and then make the next one That's right. And your fingers are now sticky in their totally all the way. I'll bet you've got the phone. I bet you're scrolling through your Instagram while you was next to the snow. I was listening to the Siths actually last night. Were you really Yeah I listening to the Smiths off your iPhone, alone in your kitchen making s'ores over your gas range. That's right. That's right. you. I'm you. And you're slippers and like Yeah mean slipp totally. It's just disgusting.ait Nick we do have to get you you have to come play golf with us. I don't know if you heard Jason's leaving so we can't play for a while August Have you guys haveave you guys had Kevin Hart on the podcast? Yet? We have we have yeah in the last. So he's, you know, newly obsessed with with golf. Is he? Yeah. I just finished up on the number three, Jimanji and was He was literally scrolling, you know, just watching golf videos and practicing his swing with like this contraption thing that simulates like a a golf, I don't know, it was very cool. I find it on. Was this over in Hawi? Hawaii and some in LA as well. And so in Hawaii, you played some yummy courses I'll bet. Those a yummy. I didn't. I didn't have a chance to. brou I brought my daughter out. with me and my parents, my wife's shooting in India. so I brought her out. And I did the dad' st. We did like the dolphin swwimming with the dolphins and I took her. they D Coola Hilton. Yeah, I think so. yeah. and they have a Um they have a Disney hotel U And so, you know, she went and met Moana and all it was great. I sacrificed the golf for the dead. Talk to me about India How How is India? Yeah what I've never been there. I'm desperateious. I'm so desperate to got to go You should bring podast there and do it' be We should do that. Do That's a great idea. Heartless goes to India? I've been I watch a little bit of Ind this is true. Indian Premier League cricket from time to time. ye. And there's this new kitty IP I forget what tape. Yeah, IPL this kitty's fifteen. 's He's like this tall Indian team. He plays for one of the teams. No I don't know if he's playing for national team yet. He's playing for one of the teams in the IPL right now. This kid is having I actually watched the game where he was out after one run, but he this kid is like an absolute sensation. He's fifteen and everybody else is way older. Yeah, he's sensation I love crick. Do You think the audience is hanging on to this particular section about the Indian cricket League I don't know. you think they're fucking India they tie something or hold an audience something get Jason just straightened himself. Well, yeah, you should you should go to India. My So Prianka has been shooting there This movie by the director it did RRR. was his last film. Oh, sure, sure, sure. yeah. that was that got a lot of great notice. Yeah. a big Indian kind of epic film and she's not done a movie there in about eight years. So it's a big, big deal, her return. You know she did eighty something movies before she started No That's Asia Weous industry over there. Over eighty films. Over eighty films, yeah. She's seventy five years old, will, It's a really it's a fascinating thing though, you know, the way in which they the Indian audience reveres their their the stars. is u It's like unlike anything I've ever seen before. and It's an obvious it's obviously an enormous audience, you know, over a billion people in India. and then globally The reach is so big and there's a bunch of projects that are really starting to make a huge impact globally now as well, which is exciting to see. The culture there, I hear that weddings are a major thing. Did you guys have a bit of an Indian wedding or no We did. so We we were friends for about a year. Um before we started dating. and then once we started dating, it all happened very fast. We just both just kind of knew So