Martin O'Neill's Management and Leadership

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It's even got super speed Since you could get the funds as soon as the same day you signed. Visit Sfi d. com slash power to learn more That's soFi d. com slash PW ER Moans originated by Sofi Bank NA, member F theIC, terms and conditions supppply NMLS six nine six eight nine one Cheer Do you like it? She's been promoted. looks really real' again on McLlaren. you look great and I love that car the vibbe in the background when they're getting rid of you. You're moving me up. I love that jacket. Boy keep you getting rid of us? No, I didn'tt That was a noise in the background from people over there. I said keepeep her on. She's deservedood. You know when Roy gets back at twelve o'clock at night And comes in early in the morning, there's only one outcome. There's going to be disruption. That gill's leaving. I. You did have a long dig. I was surprised to see you in the studio al I have to say. When I got there at h eleven, I thought, Is's that right. My goodness. That means he's got up at six o'clock yesday to get down there early. You need to put it out there, What am I Tell people, I have low maintenance. I am low maintenance. Low main. As long as you all the arrangements early enough. That's pretty important,. Yeah. But you only have to get up and jump in a car. I like drive myself, drive back. You're just s drive My car. drive. Did you drive yesterday? yesterday. But usually I drive. Do you? I like driving I sit in the front of the cars. I know. I nearly did that yester. I get a car sit in the front On the back. Wh it's not good as at a headrest. Look because just so you feel a bit sicklier, you just I real and sometimes know the other thing is You get in the back, you feel like the guy in the front is almost like, you feel like he's driving. just Yeah. sit with him, you know what I mean Oh was to keep them com Yeah, but I know, but just sitting with people. just like I just the idea that I'm in the back. It's just just more space because my knee I need to stretch my kn. Yeah. Sometimes they'istract in front just because it doesn't look the same. You can fall asleep with someone driving right there. It don't feel the same. Itot annoyys me Uber very rarely, but when I do it's usually work places what they do? Join they put all the bags in the front seat and then they move the seat forward as if you like get in the back. And might not can I sit in the front, please, I And then they look at you like like you're an alien. becausecause basically you in front because you want to sit in front as if like they're a bit threatened by it maybe they feel you do feel threatened by something. You you get black cabs I get blackcs all the time in London. Why don't you get them in Where'd you get them instead of like London? Oh no, I never get in London, I always get black cubps. Always. I once got a black cup from London to Manchester. It was the most uncomfortable. I've done that my life I a van in the back of a van, isn't it? And it was just like this. sometimes you can get an uncomfortable one. newew electric ones are smooth or. Yeah You know, people say get down Mercedes vans they'll f you But you're in the back of a van. Yeah, It's a van So I would rather f and fans orw the like, they've got lightostevan. TV Svan It's a v. A man with the bath, a v with light. and the seats are like that. so he like But you can recline them. You can recline them. You No, no, not some of them, you can. Yes, you can. There's always a recline, especially in that middle seat. you can recline. I went the premium economy on a flight a couple of weeks ago and no word of a lie at the difference in cost is like off. four hundred, five hundred quid. And the difference was this Oh that much Yeah like you get like two inches doough yeah? That was it freedum economy.. Do you feel? There you go. that work? onnce you go private? Do you feel bad putting your seat back though I do No when you Be I the person behind' gonna to be so annoyed. No, it goes back to a placeir push air back, everyone just goes back Yeah, but I did it other and I could hear the guy pop like 'cause I think I knocked his drink as I went back. This is a shot b. You'reite tall you'd have to a seat back. Yeah. high are you? How is you? six where are you six two? Just under six No I'm like five eleven. Is he? Yeah. What are you? You look taller. You look way taller. You're not five, eleven, are y you? No, he's five nine he's five ten Yeah easually just presence but more pray. So the presence add another cou of v. stand next to me. quink sal with I'll take me sh off. No, don't take See risees taller and you know Ry'sall Where you are? Roy? Yeah Yeah, you've always shoes on them. Maybe I've just got a big present s big your head's quite big. I know he's coming for. It's big. My head's not that big. I used to be called Bigery nited when I was younger Yeah. You you biger Yeah, but that's becausecause you're arrogant. A. That wasn't because you size your head.' arrogant. Arogant, ye. You used to go. a big.' massive, huge You not perect.t What used to say that? Oh thate that called George. I ever bully? Did I ever bully any young lads? No, you still just said it was bully young lads Thank. We don't buy young lads No. No no You ate food the older lads. I remember the initiation ceremonies. Oh I didn't like them Now, you would watch if ever you would never be inv involved No, I wouldn't get involved in that. It wasn't right You know what, it depends what they do to you as well,'t it? It was embarrassing of like, dance or sing. Yeah, But you know when I was a manager or even when I was a one we were Ireland and someone came into the squad and they had to sing. I used to cringe. Oh, I hate that. If I had to go into a team and they said sing nohere would I be singing for anybody? O do you know players have to do a dance or something for something?y? Would you say no? Absolutely not.nt do for anybody wrong foot So what I need to know is well like you're going to be bullied into dancing if you don't want. How would Ireland have allowed to come to the squadad to go come and sing I thought you weren't allowed to say no, like that's the whole thing about initiation. Yeah. you just have to do it about you you have just by b. you don't Do it. Well' not my time We didn didt do it United do it all the time. In the youth team, we used to either have to sing or tell a joke. Yeah. No I remember that Iong? Yeah, that's an option. Sing, stand on the bed like your other treatment bed I in Louis. Yeah in front of room. Yeah. The first team would come in O the first team would come in. I mean, I'm talking about the most petrifying thing in the world. Was there anyone who just smashed it who was like brilliant Robby Savage. was he Robbery Savage basley. I think he did both. they did the singing and the joking. literally he just took it he just stayed up there for it. I think he did dance g as. Well, I think he did dance with the actual sort of Lads are just like Well there in some lads, but you got like you got, I mean you got Mark Hughes Brian Robson Steve Bruce, Cantonash, Michael, obviously Roy, all of them in there. watching I imagine six telling a joke and you six se you been inited was. had to pretend he got a new skreport for Chrmas and he to go around the dress room pretending he had a new skateport and he was all excited. Oh yeah He doing your stuff to do. Right It was acting like he got Yeah. That was the roll he had at the time. He'd roll it, they'd roll it, they'd roll the towel up Right And that was the skateboard, imaginary skateboard. And then you used to have to walk around the room and you used to have to knock On the wall that the players would be sat around in the sort of horseshoe. and you used to have to knock on the wall behind one of the first team players and ask them to come out and play on the skateboard God It It is And hard you other day Did you ever get the coness for the younger l. Th the cones that you do for running. That had to go on you head that was the helmet. With a towel. With a towel, imagine you'd skateboarding under your arm. I could new becauseuse the corn was' big enough that's funny. I used to always do Peter laundry, mysterious girl becauseuse I know the rough And I went on lawn twice your last Well you don't know on last wee Wek got your own podcast. Come on, Jill was that song? I can't remember. Oh we caris. I did that was good. Basically I went on lawn twice and in my last two years. So as an experienence player going into a dressing room and singing Peter onre a mysterious girl. Well I felt like you would never say a no. Come on, Jill When can you do it, please? Well, I've been sitting by the phone hoping you call by time I hear your voice. I feel ten feet tall. body weighting but for aan one time your name call. L looks around me like a flowers boom and I love the smell. If youre Elizabeth Hurley perfume, personersality Eonene light up the room, just one kiss Eone and make me hark or boom. Did they join in any other players? Oh, I would just be stood though. That's horrible when people don't join j forest. Yeah. No, they probably did anyway Any anyone else got a r? No, but they tooked you for that. D I You got a. You have a song in you You had a song? I didn't have song. I thought we've played it on this show. I know Iw. I just like an album, I took it. He wr sings your favores. with a tuxedo and a andumbow tie. Jot made me laugh. It was it a couple of days ago, they posted out the clip about which actor would you be? I was was doing I want to see Michael. You asked me do you want to see Michael? Yeah. I enjoyed it. you like it. It was a good movie. Michael Jackson. is it? You know, I went and saw the other day at the theater onene flow over the cookie's nest. Good. Yeah. Ver ye fantastic or was f. The old Vic. You you loveve going to them shores London? Yeah because my mother in laws she works in theatater but on next week can be down in London. I was like it's real It's real because it's happening there live. there's no message. Yeah, Yes's just brilliant. flow over cook. Wh who played Jack Nicholson? What wass his name? The guy who' the famous guy Aaron I die What' his name again Aaron Pierre year. What is one cook? remember the Jack Nicholson film in a mental What is to do to people? electcute them You're not see Control them. You've got to watch That's got toa be your. That's definitely my time. Ocp and takeocalpse now you've got to watch those films You got to watch that.atch f remind It's a sad f. It's a beautiful film, One f ofver cooksness. of sadness Yeah. of something that really happened. those things really happened We lastasted through a series in the last two weeks Slow horses. Yeah or some that. Ger open. I really. Magnificent in it He's brillant Yeah Slow sciss is fantastic. Yeah. What's it about They're like a horse They're like a the basically MI five but they're the reject. the horses I bet on The rejects of basicallyre the ones that are kicked out for. reasons and the basic Yeahes, they like a sort of secondary unit but they end up like getting in the way but then end up sort of like opinion I made good Oh That's good great. I haven't got into a series for Eges Watch lot hoses. do you have time? You're all really know. You could do on a move. Yeah. Maybe in the car you found that on a season.'t I can't do this treat without something. Do you watch? watch? No I don't. I just chat. You know I watched the last time I left there was Avengers end game Magnificide. Be I loveved that Marvel I used to read a lot of Marvel when I was a kid So the Marvel films are just like I never got love it. They futuristic things. Yes, No, that's no good though.. No theres anythingthing that's futuristic like sci fi and Star Wars and I can't watch not real. No, no..'s's no good for me. It's called escapism, guys Yeah was cool. I think I might need a bed. He need a. but he can go around on a fake skateboard for an hour. a corner on. cor on. Stick to football is brought to you by armed clothing The reason he stayed last year is because he's not completed what he wants to do with that's win trophys at United. and he won' be winning trophies. Not with that mindset of the team yesterday, it's mind boggling. it's a circus act. Surely you've got to look at how will we concede in fifty your goals? No matter how you settle up whatever, you've got to defend. this idea that he's doing the for of pool football he's not's just salf There'll be open warfare, he doesn't play more that. Yeah. Well again but if you're going to go to war, then go to war. You know, it started for me when when they started making the semifals go to war. I'll never get over that. I will never get over it.own about projects and managers need time. He didn't need time. So if I managed onto a club where it was in disarray, that's top level management. Mind don't go in they look no doub window Why does he fall on the floor? Excuse me? I thinkink he was disappointed that Bermo missed. For for who? Well for himself and for the Bang on. Bang on. For himself. You're like, Oh look at Bruno. Look at Bruno. You kept saying it. Look at Bruno High interest debt is one of the toughest opponents you'll face. Unless you power up with a sofi personal loan, a sofI personal loan could repackage your bad debt into one low fixed rate monthly payment It's even got super speed. since you can get the funds as soon as the same day you sign Visit sofi. com slash power to learn more That's SOFi dot com slash PoW ER. loans originated by SFi Bank NA, member F theIC terms and Conditions Apply andMLS six nine six eight nine one What about that Hbleall yesterday? It was can we just with that Amble and again, with if they can't give that as Ambble, what is you know something? And I'm notve got enough, I don't care who it's against and that that is Hambble. The ball goes past, if he doesn't stop it with his arm, it's gone over. if he gives that as a fault, nobody would say anything would they.ound be Because as soon as Roy are you say Ambble What are I doing? I know people quote rules, but sometimes there's not rules. there's laws. There any laws. there's there's a feel, isn't there sometimes that just something just like is is not right. How did make So he's told to go over and then he just backs himself obviously with Yeah, we're listening to it. So to preer the VR, you can only hear a one wake count. So we can hear the communications from Sopy Park in. R. And basically they're saying they're looking, they weren't sure them well they were sure, but they were sort of like they took a time with it. They took three minutes actually themselves. But in the end they just thought it's just clearly that he's basically sort of he's wedged the ball in between his arms. stopped. So they call him over and then we can sort of see u They don't convince the referee, They sort of point out the facts. They point to say to him, lookook, we think he's basically brought the back I out't the exact wors, but they're sort of explaining what they've seen And then you see the sort of referee sort of looking extra time and extra time you think M He's pushing back here. G, it's crazy that But'll go against himselfoy when you can see even if he's stuck by his no, no, no, that's humble.'ll be directing referees then are going over a little bit but going No, no, and they're going too far de other way by going, I'm going to stick to my decision within that instant, you obviously has because he's hab.'s my point if you're going over and you're going Obviously, you want managed referees to be strong and believe in what you before I look and going,, come on and then sticking to his guns for the wrong reasons almost exactly illg good. wantanting to change sometimes you want him to go because when they go now we just say the done I shouldn't have changed his line for that one. Yeah When we played with far, whenever the went over, we knew it was going to be a change of decision. If ever the got called over But now it just seems all over the place. But even somebody just looking at that once, youre like a tamball. But it's confusing for us, even. know, you're in the studio and you're watching the match. It's all up in the air now and everyone in the studio are they getting quotes from different referees, laws of the game and you look Yeah You don't know what's going to do. No onsistency is a bit frustrating. That came in to us about four or five minutes later. They said that the match center, they obviously contact I think what Sky didn't do, they contact match center and they get the official line and that was that The feeling was it was accidental And that if it led directly to the goal of Ebero course, it would be disallowed. Of course It's the fact it then played on again to Kuna and obviously he scores, that's when it. But they looked at it, didnn't they show something last week where they are have admitted twenty four mistakes, isn't it? They come up with some So this VR, which is supposed to be take a new manero of the game from officials or whatever And thee of twenty four major decisions wrong. Yeah they're looking at it for a minute and still getting it wrong. twenty four not four, but twenty four. that's a lot as big the argent The argument though had been I was watching Slford on Frid night Wing it on my phone And there were two goals that Greimsby scored. The first one was hand ball. And the second one was offide, it looked like to me. And you think, if you don't go up for those reasons or if you don't I mean, there are big this. Yeah I get it Yeahah. the arsenals getr West Aam. Yeah. Astenal lose the lead, by the way If it's not V All lose the league potentially if it's not V. That's the thing. that West Iam, you know, the one across the goalkeeper R. Yeah, but look at the floor the gamees lower down, where you're saying decisions for against you. Yeah. It is better watch, isn't it is It is more enjoyable. It is more enjoyable because you're not you're not worried about. And obviously, you always go back to it and' leaving the serv sidee obviously, you can You can have a debate about that But it's a flow to the game. No And I don't mind if they stop the game, like and they look at it and then get to the right decision, but they're still sometimes getting to the wrong decision. And they're stopping the game for four, five minutes. as well when you even with the Arsal one with the David Red You know, I remember to I remember watching because I was intently watching the city over and game And I remember Berado silver Raw You know, they in player literally grabbed him down. Who wish should have' some play? haven't played scored last year scored last nnight. Okay. the rule his name is? Yeah yeah. yeah Nothing said Nothing said. He grabbed him finger and nothing said. I can't understand Wh it's so different where we Ars also got one where I don't care what anyone says is imp. There's other things going on, but that's was is. But then Why isn't no one speaking about the Berado silver one It doesn't make sense right. why is it? just like J just forget the city one for a second, but Asenal without VAR W been in potentially big trouble and could have lost the league. That's how important V has been for. If you've got some clubs benefit from it as well, don't they? You obviously United benefited yesterday. Ar still a week before, that goal was given. But think evens out over the season though sometimes? Because yeah, that alost Do the bigger clubs, people ob argue the bigger clubs generally get They used to say that with United Yeah but' another sport, of course.. But guy you say that absolutely one le but That was meant to do his job. I'm saying but without VAR. he did his job perfectly well and it was right that the foul was given. but without VR, what do you mean if there was no VAR said before watching Lower League football iss a lot more enjoyable Yeah. And that means obviously no VR. So if we took VR away completely just get goal line a go line You might get other ones that swinging you away different parts the season. it's a bit of Yeah. bad argument. but without VI last Sunday That was like We don how much stupidity of the players. go back to the arsmal last week, so you're on people going You can still be aggressive Yeah in the box with ar O course not even just incents. we see every week people grab be you can be aggressive and attack the ball Without standing on the goalkeeper, but you Because what happens is you're going lads, this is the last minute let's go up and be aggressive and maybe take a few chances, but not on the goalkeeper Yeah. Let's do it everyh else Yeah. becausecause as soon as you look looking at a goalkeeper Of course he's going to give it. I think the stupid ideity of players Celtic' notight runrening about the handball is. But players jumping up with their hands going give him a chance's almost it. intntelligence from players to go up and go, whatever you don't fall a goalkeeper. Well the European handball to fair That's a ridiculous one for your opinionall. If I' be frightened to death as a defender in that Champions League final of the ball is your arm anyway you. If you're just defending And you're across him, righty. and my arm is there like that. even as it hits me there as I'm balanceding try and get. Did you see the? You you see the Celtic one? That is' I'm t about ye. even though the one' join the week, not the again. Yeah. I'ming the again Yeah different hearts. Yeah. he He's blasted at. hisis body' know when you're going Yeah Yeahah, but right your arm naturally, when you go to like that, your arm does that, I'm thinking They've got to start taking these things into consideration. It's like even the Celtic one in the week whereas Karel But way would you got a ball can a ball go that far if you of course this is a but wait as a player, you' got the last minute, Why would you put your hand up to the head? I know I I know. Shulely Ham Ball is when you actually make an action though to Hle the ball. Do you know what I mean? If it's just in unnatural pos. I think anything around natural your arms. your arms are here there it's a penalty. If it's there in this ark, in this arc here it's not humble. in he this ark is humble. what about when feenders are coming out and I'm putting that That's annoying as well I' putting that. What about when you're stretching and your arm goes there? what about that? If you go to block a across with your right foot And your left arm goes behind you, that's down that's fine. If it's there You're done. If you're down here, it's your position, that's natural. Yeah. How would you not put your arm there as you go to stop across for your right foot so that you can get back the other way if he turns back? I've got such long arms so I used to used to hit my arms all the timeout w I would have given away going up for headers. I reckon ten penalties a season I hadd to give to a ten penalty the season if what we'reocking blocking. Well, I was desperate to block crosses so I'd literally do anything to block a cross because these lot would kill you if you didn't if you let crosses in. It used to be a crime to let a cross it You know what I mean? Michael. You know what any me about full backacks now, full backacks defending crosses. notot the guy attacking when it comes in you yourre defendive it. Pere' ont to headit it. We saw yester at Williams Forest againainst United When the b they don't know what to do as if they don't do in training I'm about when you're on the other side when it comes in and you're on the back poost. full backacks don't know where it's headed or chested. They all panic as if they don't do it in train anymore. the only excuse I ever have for a full backack at the back poost is from across from that side. is Jos sometimes with all the bodies in front of you You don't see the ball being crossed because it sounds crazy, but you're just in your position and all of a sudden you can sometimes be blocked by your center half in front of you or the full back over the fast side. and then you see the ball late, you know what I mean? sometometimes the only excuse I can give and that's where you have to be tight You have to make sure you can tight against your out at the weekend was he saw it all. I know, I get thatad. I get a bitch a bit tightened, which whipped didn and people getting across you You when you see Olll in can't they they just head it back in I head back into the danger area the Bruno cross for his assist. Yeah. So when he pings it across and he goes, that's so hard for the defender at the back post because it's going so fast across loads of bodies. you just say yeah. of the first go Yeah. Yeah the first goal. Force gover it's up in their and the full backatook Tid Williams. I mean, that was ridiculous. head up in the a. Would this be hard for a full backat though sometimes because you're kind of like stand and start whver's there coming in aren't they? You must know you're going to get absolutely clied. There's a number of things. One is, can you see the ball? Secondly, you're also thinking, I've got to cover that space between me and the center back is mine. So I've got to cover that space anything over the center back's head is mine Anything then over my head is mine. So it's like going in and sometimes getting done. Gary is multit tasking, isn't it? No, no it is You got to do more than one job Some people go, I've got this man you got you've got to ready for him, but also get somebody ready. But players are like, Oh I had him. No, you gott to do a couple of jobs that set pieces job and half. And even a modern foullback. You know who gets the biggest of applause?., the ball comes into the box and com' com come to the fullback They chestter back to the goalkeeper to get a standing ovation and def fanss like. They should be doing that all the time Just cushion head her back to the gokey we under pressure people. fans stand up and go, w? I was amazed that. It was justesting. Yeah, but that's quite risky. How' with? Oboliously be aware of' nobody around, of course. I know but Iesting B stand in ovation Wow I'd have to be a full back Stick to foootball is brought to you by arm clothing I just mentioned Brunel's assist. Do we Do we need to give him huge aaudits for what I mean getting level with Serry Omry and Kevin De Bryer on twenty asssists. I mean, twenty asssist, that's obviously more than onever two games That is a massive achieve, isn't it Well it is because like Asist have being brought in as as a there's thing. I don't know metric. Yeah Right So it's new, though wasn't it? It's an assist. It is Yeahah. I remember David Beckham at the time I never That was never a thing assist, but it's also become a big thing in the last five, six se. even when Tier he got he's twenty six. I think he got twenty od goals as well. wasn't I wasn't ever interested in the assist, but then Then it started to come and out, everything was Ter is the most assisting then it's become a thing. So Then you have Kevy Br, another one is a Multi win But you've got to be good to get to twenty. withoutou. I mean, look those if you think about those two in front of him, are probably two are the best players that' ever played in the b. Roy made a good point where he was talking outside about the area in which he plays now You know you're going to get sist. You're in a position they play twenty six. we've haveving a lot twenty it would be better if you' winning trophies I get that but he's cant do it on his own, can it He can't win trophies on his own bruno, you know I mean he is he is to be fair performing at probably a level that rest of his teammates when when you're the captain of club and you're supposed to be driving the club forward. getting bogged on by just your role in the team. just assist. I think what I heard in United the weekend Honestly I was rageing at it What whole chat about his assists and playerers talking about it sist. He got to deviewed after the match After the game And I was watching them and everyone was talking about his sist and even the players were Asor the games about his assists. That's the whole talk. After g, he got interviewed and he said in his interview, Captain united He said, Yeahah, a few times I probably should have. He said to himself, I should have shopot, but I made them passes Wow How can your mindset of a football be going go to a match and be talking about some individual record? If it happens, he's going to get all them stats anyway, but for to become the main point about M United performance the weekend, I I was cringing with all of them and all the players when he got the assis going off to what about the guy who scored the goal? But there's no there's nothing on the game in terms of what would be United' already finished in the Champions League, Forerest have already stayed up. I think there wass an element of But if you yourre mind of that has gone into a game thenen who's to say it's not like that n the games You said there's not on the game. There's always something on the game. I know, but you Ianst There's still seenty od toows at the matches today. And I'm just saying if yourre focus and all the players talking about Bruno's assist, when you're not winning anything, if you're on the back of winning stuff and players are getting individual awards, fantastic on the back of your team winning stuff. Golden boot stuff, you go l Toms up to that player the year. No problem But that's like further down the line. the priorities, the team. M United O priorities this weekend was Bruno getting an assist Not winning a football match, not strikers getting goals or defenders are being good at set pieces. They did win did win are keeping a clean sheet There's all parts of football that are really important. So for one player to get bogged on with assist and his team out winning anything they finish fth but that's my issueing All that will happen anyway. Bruno will get los of assist, the position he plays and he's got runners ahead of him to get that many though, Roy with that there with team winning nothing. that's even happen What's the point? consisten and the consistency of his oint I mean, you're playing a team game is now let me finish. you're part of the team. What's the partd of the team He's doing his job trying win. he's going to do that. He's doing his job creating, I think he's not when he beces priority and of course he's doing his. He's brillant player player. he's getting all the rewards and come to summer probably getting another new deal because they'll be threatening he's got to Saudi Arabia. We've been on this road before. He's got previous. So then for a player to get Assist That becoming the priority. that' come when your team is focused on trying to win the big prize and you're keeping clean cheam When you look at someone like Bruno, if they get the right players around, he probably do that again And they will win stuff because he's got that and if they win something next if they win the league next year and he's got twenty sists I say, Do you know what? Well D the man, Ier winning the league and Brunon Well on That's a little sideesh. that can't become the main show. And yesterday when he got it he said himself they got interviewed on on the pitch going, Yeahah, I probably passed it when I told shuck some shock. So he's even he said his probably was trying to get a ass sist Instead of baby, I might actually shoot myself. I mean, they're not winning the league because of him. number one. I mean, ultimately, you're saiding he's part of a team. he's p part of team. He's contributing enormously to that team. And is he not contributing to the team trying to like keep cleaning sheetss? That's p partrou of his job, isn't it? Absolutely But the thing I would say is that I used to think exactly the same twenty years ago when Cristiano was the first person I ever heard say I w want to win the Ballndor during a season at United in interview. I remember thinking Forget the Ballandor. forget that. We need to win the a league. We need to win the Champions League He did go win the Ballndor onn the back of what do Did he win leagues? To fair I think win the league. Yeah. you don't win them pzes unless you're win, but you go hand in hand. The first play that I remember talking about individual awards and feeling a little bit uncomfortable about it. but I do think looking back now, it does matter for these players to get the individual awards when you're like a sala, a Bruno Ferandez, a Christ. But if you're going into a game my point is No, but if you're going to a game and it's affecting your dec Gry Listen to his interview after the g. yes He he actually said it was I was watching the game I'm goingone. You think it'sos should they're already out of everything. It's the only thing he's kind of got left. I know what you're saying about him just being selfish about the an interiew He's got an interview after the game to talk about it is sisy go, I'm an interested. I'm here to win I'm here to win trophies. But is that M good?. So if you said to him But he's obviously getting asked the question You didn't asked the question but he actually said, I'm watching the games. even before his interview, I'm going His mindset's not right there. He's trying to get a assist. There was chance for him to shoot yesterday was sticking in the second half but everyone was getting bggged on with ass When he got the assist, D all ran over. forget the golals score they don't up down assist The assist should be a backup to everything else. The assist became the story of the week. I'm surprised. Did theist become destoryic man un United R I'm surprised at that because I thought he actually shot a couple times. didt first time should have. he should have passed No no,,, lookook at the second half. He admitted himself. There was situations where he was like I don't go, keep The gold's there for you. First hfid a few shots, but then it all became about the assist. I can sort of understand it a little bit in the sense that that to get level with those two players, I can understand it. And what do you get for a Whats you There's no trophy for that. A part of exactly. No, but you put yourself in company that's like What What's the reason play for manan United? What's the number one priority when you play for M man United? I think he would say that though wn it to win trophies. He would say that, I think. He didn't say it yesterday. Well, right, to be fair, what I do know is that speaking to him three weeks ago, he said the reason he stayed last year is because he's not completed what he wants to do when that's win trophies at United to be fair to him. he did say won and he won't be winning trophies. N with that mindset of the team yesterday where they're given up two goals And everyone's getting old giddy because he's equal a record for assists It's mind boggling It's mind bogging. it's circus act I do think you go through a season and then if the accolaides come they come down. That's fine It's about opinion we' be he to midnight. I think that's wrong. that this idea and everyone getting bogged on by aist It should be wayigh down on the pec and order, not the priority on a match at all Tffford That's a little sideshow. and won players won awards you know, it was fantastic, but not wor. that was the main chat. The main chat was You winning player the air. I got played the air once and nobody turned up at the dinner. That's not my priority. And' priority' winning trophy in the game that.. I' still touching the de. it You know I'm not on to carry your good yet. No one assisted you.. No one assisted you. Would you guess that's been mentioned before about I run this program. if you're a player you knowre winning trophies where people bring up your stat You'd be cringe, you'd be going, I'd forget my sty. Yeah. We got to win th. are we saying Last year the waterking on the pitch after finishhing fifteen. But these things fifteen last year, but right noobbody was talking about the assist last year, but no if they' obviously everyone's excited because they're finished and if qualified for the Championship qualified We do not do we do judge we have judged Bruno by his goals and assists over the years. One thing I would say is These things matter because Ultimately, we judge these players by their output, their' assisting their goals. We judge them by that So we judge them. We say, youll I've heard you say a number of times. But where's his goals? Where's assist? That's what this guy is delivering to be fair to him. You made a point yes, so you're doing it again, I'm watching it. Bruno gives a pass and he missed the Br What did D Brunna do after he missed it? You watch you went on the flor Yeah, you went on the floor here probablyly That was when then Berma Mrter sharp, love. Why is he fall on the fucking floor? Excuse me? Well, I think he was disappointed that Bomo miss. Fortho for who Well for himself, un for the d. Bang on. Bang on. for himself wasn't disappoint when a strikeer who was having a bit of a difficult spell and missed a couple chances. He's tinking of his assist and he does' get to his sist. This you' going off the strig on and you've had a difficult spell, but I tell you what you stuck at it Brilliant. It's like Bun on Ts my hair No b Why did he fall on the floor? Why did heall on the floor? Wave his hands up in the air? Because that was in assist for him instead of going my have gotten another goal. R T was here yesterday, Shaw scored first goal in ninety seven years. And they're all off to Why'd you bring Brono up for? Why did you take them back to the arment? We're gonna to get that? think Well, that's why I actually expecting there to be some flowers to be f. We go back we get standards. Imagine us in a dresser and we're finishing. We're not competing for any trophies. We're not competing And someone's in dress I'm talking about an assist you' be like. T. , you'd be getting it as well. hadag you not been a priority that M man United. That was the celebration yesterday. joined some other brilliant players as an assist And number of guys I think on the back of their says, I'm guessing I don't know the stats were' winning will' win into your trophy All goes hand in hand Gary. Stick to foootball is brought to you by arm clothing I think wherere probably players though that would never have probably thought about individual awards, but right are then awards like on your like as a striker and as a striker like because it's a striker of golden different mentality on me. Yeah. Is it something that you think about? like once you start when you start a season, you're thinking about just just just being amongst the golals you want to be scoring golals to win games It's only when it starts to get to the latter stage of the season you start thinking about the golden boot You don't really But Righty strikers have a mentality that even if the team win and they miss chances and they don't score, they do sometimes after the game get disappointed in their own personal non scoring. So there is that element of in a strik's mindset we don't think like Roy's thinking more Jill th. you have to have that mindset as a Yeah.. be more selfish. I think in the back of all the stuff of course Yeah. everyveryone's selfish Plers are selfish they arere looking at a contract, assist that all goes in the mix because I guarantee you Bruno's negotiating his contract in the summer, which you probably will do. assist willf course he'll be throwning all out in the mix as you do. and And if playays all the games, you give him the thumbs up But not we bec that becomes a site that shouldn't be a side show. That shouldn't be a priority for any football or a gold score. I just said a gold score Dennis Well, I guarantee twenty five goals, but your team will win not and I still think a striight go. Do you know, I'll give you fifteen goals. and if we win the league, of course Yeah. I think he would do that. He'd swap those assist records for seeing that and all thiss chter stuff for the weekend. I'm not I'm not agg at that point. I'm sure he would swro up for tropepy But no we're at this chat. We're all yesterday going, I probably should have I probably should have shot what I're like what's goingry ahead when you're playing a game of football? or when your teammates misses a big chance who's strugging for confidence and you fall on the frone where we end up in the air, what about your mers miss a chance Be he's a great team player. He's always helping young lad. Well, go to Lang., don't wor. I'm glad're ming him chances because you're m the good runs and eventually you get one, don't ace f of if you mentioned the commentator yesterday. you were like, Oh, look at Bruno. Look at Bruno. You kept saying it. Look at Bruno. G Youually come on commentree.ag you A guy missed a chance and he falls on the floor. Like wasas that last minute to win the league title? No, no, that's for me to get an assist. Get up off your knees. But players attack tos your hair. What's that t your hair? Toss yourir. What do you all tos each other's ha? But Harand was annoyed, wasn't he that he didn't get that goal Webbley the other day I think because he's that's not the final lookook I think plays on your mind. seven games There's two things I would say. records matter to forward players more than it does to other players in the team. They matter. you know that righting goals maty. and also The clean sheets med to you clean she spoted too U Would you be happy to win four two You what I mean She's I must admit, clean she did matter tos There's different parts of that. gokeepers want to keep te shortin winning the game to be fair was more important than a clean sheet. And to be fair, we also played a certain way, which meant that we we were a bit open. We weren't best set up for clean sheets either. That's what I. We were set up to win stuff for That's what yesterday afternoon in the second half. I can live with that way of playing, to be fair in the sense that I know they give up some goals and they were poor goals I had thought to be fair I mean, I I defended Paul for the first thought the cross is from And Anderson were unbelievable by the way. So I thought there were goals that you could look at and I think, I tell you what, the second was a briiant goal, by the way.. Gibbssitees's great touch did. Can we just say withbs Gibbs Whitees' F f is great. lovely. Coming in at that pace, opening himself up. It was again, that was just it was so good. people just skipped past it. They don't realize the amount of interest b. I tried to commentary that was like it was a brilliant. Gary, it was magnificent of passed pass the way open it was It was watching like if you're playing golf, it's a ho in one. is Is' pererfect. Isers Let's move on from is Anderson the real deal. I wasn't gonna to ask this, but is Anderson the real deal. I like him simply because When you see him player England, he seems to go up a level when you see sometimes at forest, he does things you think I don't think he'd do that in England. othertherwise he probably wouldn't be in there, but like he seems to be a player that When he gets to the right level, he gets his head step up. Yeah, ye because like a chance. his's ability is brilliant. Roy, do you like him? Yeah, he's got a chance. Yeah not ill hold them back a little bit. what everything Every But what part of his game are you holding back his decision B is the last I watched him last week against Newcastle. if again if you want to watch it, he was desperate. point in of game scored a brillion goal at the end, so its you know, fair play, got bll The Villa game again the big games, he was poor against Villain the European Not European cupboard. You're leag you're up a league So when I see in their moments, I just hold back a little bit But if I will he get a big move in the summer? Probably. He settl in England really well, but England group matches were pretty easy. but as a challengeer player when the games are easy because wouldould' be going all out for him if you united in city They both need the field players You see all over him? Well, looks like you million. know I' understand that. Yeah.ah. But if you're talking about one hundred or one hundred and twenty five, all that crazy money, I'd be like, hold on a second If you're talking about sixty or seventy Yeah, you'd have to be I think Eat suit united more city. Well, no, but the thing is with city, obviously you've got They do need a midfield player. The rumom is that City United are both ling for a signature That's the that's what the rumor is, but I mean I think he'll start for England in the W C. will. He's got every chance with. I think that' matter. That'd be nice little test him again to w up in the knocko games becausecause again in England too b tryry to make sure day game specially with it's exciting now with Michael signing everything good luck to him in that book They get it right with the right players United. What would you go to? What would you stop at? What you wr to pay for inf? Yeah. If he gets a hundred, would you go for it Um Well if you look at United forest. You not you' forest here again on Yeah If if you're united and you needed that kind of midfield for so long and manit' trying to take him off feelielding, you got to go where you got to go go because You've got to get him You've got you've got to get him I'd pay for him. I'd pay for him They sure Yes, have've shown good Good moment of course Isilly I always go back to he's still learn his trade and I'll always be harsh on midfielders and he's got years to mature yet But United obviously would have to be obviously looking at him and then he does a couple of nice things yesterday where That's the time to catch somebody's eye when you're playing against him. And his Cross yesterday. Yeah. the cross is briiant. Do you see him as a partner with C Ky Meu him holding and and Cobby can go and do his eight work and all that sort of stuff. then Bruno up there Yeah. You do need someone, don't you? that's Oh you too. But I'm saying is is he the real deal? because it's going to cost a lot of money. Yeah. A lot of money. Well this is're tal have they got that big in theube? Have they got that big I still think you need a bit more physical presence in there That's the fact you got to have to deal with the ball. The one the one of that they sign has got to be a physical presence they're going to sign two. if they sign him They have to then sign someone who's got a bit. So like they was talking about, you remember like a belie like believer was talking about, you know they You know, he was quite liked as well. is that that Sangari forest he's got that It was al right when he came on. You know something when I watch our f, obviously maybe some of the technical like he'sree phys physicality in I thought it was good That's the kind of player, you know, with've United. You could get him in a united with the quality around him. you just do that Let's do that physical stuff. I think that's the kind of profile have to get that ride you have to get two into the Yeah'd have to get one to the back be right the back a full backack maybe in a cent and a half. Is that what you would prioritize two midfielders to I think that Yeahah. Youreon what the United' priorities for Fororest forerest are well fifteen, sixteen the league United considers more goals than the forest United. So that tells you all the problems at United. Stick to football is brought to you by arm clothing You know what I was shocked about how many gals Liverpool have conidered? fifty Ts or something We' talk about Lverpill now. I but to concede like I know there's a lot of noise around the manager and everything, but I'm like surely you've got to look at how will we concede in fifty your goals? No matter how you set up whatever, you've got to defend We're going to ring Jamie Carriger We ha't seen Jim. We haven't seen him, but we're going to bring him about. off. We're going to ring him and put him on face timeime. You get him on. You've took his place, Jim. that's all I've got my place. He's unavailable, is he going to answer? Oh that's cute that you've got a heart after his name H. Nice seem to answer in that? He won't answer. he knows How a good new twenty three? Well, he has a few numbers. He want out because like he knows, he knows that it's you, he knows that it's the show You know live's been he't know we're England? Yeahah he knows you're England. Well, can we D you pick up you're his friend from Liverpool., I mean Karin. Doud the face face. H faceTim him Here he is. Here he is I can't I can't see him. Cara, have you got five minutes We need to just go through I mean, we're just going to go through the most sala comments and just get your take on it to start with So cararry obviously everyone Now we had to start earlier. I've got to get down to London Cara for this game tonight. Me too. He's with you A tope. We're missing you here? overap I thought you I thought you used to work on the overlap Yeah know exactly that' what I'm saying. let me fread this quote out. I've witnessed question. Okay, Caris heard the quote, Right? Basically Molala effectively walked out the door nearly and he's lobbed uprenade back inside for everyone to be left with Today we'll attempt a feat once thought impossible, overcoming high interest credit card debt. It requires merely one thing a soFi personal loan. With it, you could save big on interest charges by consolidating into one low fixed rate monthly payment. Defy high interesterest debt with a soFi personal loan. Visit sofi dot com slash st to learn more Loans originated by SFi Bank NA member FDIC. Terms and conditions apppply NL S six nine six eight nine one What did you make of his comments, Kara I wasn't surprised at all. basically told the lads at Sky, M mates on the group chat. Even a couple of people at Liverpool this was coming. It was always going to happen. So I'm not surprised at all. I knew we'd do like a little bit of a like a Ronaldo thing on the way out. I know Ronaldo was a lot more than the twweed that M Salas put out, but he was always going to do something. So I'm not surprised really. And again it just Lverool still got something to play for at the weekend if Bormouth gets something against city now we know it's not been a great season, but It's all about Mos Salen again this week and that's what he wants. He wants it always to be about him. He wants it to be about goals or trophies, I understand that normally. But when it's not, he always wants the attention on himself and it's For me, I don't care how big a player anybody is ' always been, you know, the club always comes first and it's a big week for the club. They're going to make sure they get that results. Next week again to Pamford And and oh we the press everything will be about most salibon it and it'd say I don't care good a player is, it's not right. Should he play against Brentford Cara you and know you've been managers. I haven't been a manager, but I don't think a manager should ever cut off his nose despite his face. he should always think what's going to give me the best chance of a result If he needs a result No, He doesn't need to be res old and Liverpool or does he qualified. Now that might be something different If Liverpool don't need to win the game It might be different. I don't know B The position Arnie slot in right now with the supporters It's it's very difficult not to give Mosalas some sort of, you know, big send off in the crowd. So you almost can w in some ways if you don't if you had a bit more power listen, you thinkking what the fection do to Tin left him out. Fergie's last game get something back at way for obviously some of happen a couple of years ago, but I don't think Snots in that position Be in tams ofers are the supporters and the supporters no matter what ' love Mos Sala for what he's done on the pitch and we'll want to give him a send up. So give him it but If it was me and I was I in a slots, I think I played a little bit clever with it if I was a if I got mo results and I was made sure I was in the Champions League positions for a But no I I don't need it to come across Is it just the timing because what he's saying? Is he telling any lies in what he's saying, Jay He's not righty, but anybody who thinks he's doing that for the be from the club donon't be d.'s for the be He's to leave one on the manager on the way out is basically that That's what he's trying to do. I think when he left him outig against PSG I didn't think he should have be out of the se in the PSG games, but he was on the bench I think for both PSG games And I think it's a little reaction to thatynical You know, that that a Soow salad. He thinks he's one of the best players in the world. I thought I might be wrong, but I just think he's so so You'll get them all on the wayouse He waits for after three three at mes, he waits for you lose a filax in all ra used to Cara, just one question. is the more worrying thing for Anna slot that four or five players liked his message on Instagram and seem to support him because that to me would be a bigg as bigger problem for me. First of all, that I think players now. I mean we all do, we all like things that she doesnst even read themselves time Oh, I thought you liked my post He I think a couple I think Kase Son's commented on it didn't even put like a clap of them mo whichards the legislatatives. Just a bit. is why we don't playal football is got to players like. A little bit like Kuris Jones in the squad. he tays six touches on the bke for capacity. He's stady on shon.s bad about Sala do whatever he wants to do easily. bothered and maybe they old look up to Sala. You can imagine that. he's a big figure in the dressroom, you know a wheel class player, the old Bouseom if feel like I don't know don' know what goes on in the dressing room. but I think it wass daf for them to do, but I don't I would I wouldn't be I'm not ubly fussced by that to be honest. I say they lead in the season He shining at the st Mager sack. Now whether people agreree with me or not have been proven right by come out and doing it again And this idea that he's doing a for Liverpool football he's not. Is your salad FC, please Are you just upset because he wouldn't speak to you when Sky further in the season? they said me I't to live pool anymore, I not, but you told me about Salam and face came? he wouldn't speak to you at some awards, wasn't it your first Jack? Oh he only speak to anyone Yeah, so you end a right being you born in about around seven years ago so Have you got anything else to say on your to meave you haveave you got have you have you got any other takes on your beloved club before we sort of have a comment on it? just contin for the season to be always just been a bad season or Isn't it for a lot of different reasons and just wanted start again and that's what it looks like the club want to do in someays that youll have to stickking with a manager They going it's almost like just get this season out the way. forget about you know almost forget that's even happened and almost let's let's start again. listen, you can you can see both sides of it No So yeah C we're losing signal on you I knew's gonna say I knew who's gonna to mention pay. I knew who's gonna mention Remember, Kara though, you're still better than M United, remember, even though you're finished fifth and about ten points behind her. Well done. Cgratulations.. See you later Bye.ice Jim Bo. You can lose Cannon Cannon that one. When he says about they have had quite a lot of bad luck though, haven't there with injuries. They think about ex kind of bad Yeah everyone does lost a lot of gears, l too many games. I thought, I mean, look, I think I think it does undermine slot when the four or five players do like it. I mean. I get what Karis is saying on social media is something now people just like things, but you know what you're doing if you're liking a comment like that. Roy. Where do you stand this? Ov was the Christiana R Aaldo made those comments on United a few years ago, which Yeah when he was. And you were sort of defending him at the time. Would you defend him? What his comments? Soaris Ronaldo's comments a few years ago, you remember he said that the club was the training He was right. the The words he said were absolutely correct. I think I've got the quotes here One second, let's read out Ronaldos because at the time you were very much Ronaldo returns Man United. He said basically felt betrayed. But he was said at the club when he said he's got Yeah He was betrayed, fans should know the truth. I don't have respect for the manager. He doesn't respect me. So basically, at the time I was very I was annoyed. I thought that was the wrong thing to do, But to be fair, you, and I said this before, you do think differently about sort of making sure that the truth is told. Do you support Mul Seller in these comments? orr would you say that it's something that lipool andsot didnt T mayaybe I just maybe I was trying to get a her I can understand the player's frustration when they're getting something out, maybe. yeah. But Am I giving like ls thumbs up for this? No, but I wouldn't be a cou of them. Where are you at on Sala's comments in terms of what do you think of them I am not from the manager's point of view, but from a If again Jamie makes a point, if you're playing in the dress room I think you' roong with all that But we mentioned a few month ago before about Salally leaving, I was kind of critical of the fact that they've announced that he was leaving and everyone was say No, it's a chance to say goodbye. because all this type of thing would worry me. It's kind of a long goodbye the fact he's come out and said that stuff, but As James said, but he's got previous So I wouldn't be lose as sleepper probablyviously If I was in his address ro, would I be upset with him It's not great from the manager's point of view. Why do you have to do it that? Well though if you really care about the club and changing it going have conversations in the house with people that can't you But he's got previous s, but he's got I don't think it was surprised Salally.'s had previous remember he fll up with a club as well. Yeah, but I just don't think you have to You know something, canan I just say though with Sally and whatever we say is' that that stature where believes I can say it I'm going to say. But he hasn't had a great season. He's not had a great season, but he's had great seasons and he knows he's leaving. you know whether Gary saying about a friend a grenading or not, But our dress rooms different to when we played. No. mayaybe that's it's unusual this though, R. I mean look this middle paragraph here, this second paragraph Us crumbling to yet another defeat this season was very painful and not what our fans deserve I wanton't see Liverpool go back to being the heavy metal attacking team that opponents fear and back to being a team that wins trophies. That is the football I know how to play and that is the identity that this that needs to be recovered and kept for good cannot be negotiable and everyone that joins this club should adapt to it. But we workre on the outside. Like Jamie's going to be Jamie will have a different view of Jamie played hundreds of games for airport. He's a scous of course. But for us looking at that, I that sounds good I don't know about sounds good, but I wouldn't be goingone, I'll tell you Je of O, sounds scand. Sounds like a rally cool one for me. the fans are They're a game. a g that you've just lost Aston Villa And you've basically said the manager's not played that take that into consideration, but I still feelang on, let's just put yourself, Roy. you're a manager And you're a manager and you're a manager, right? You're in the dressing room, you've lost a football match and one of the players comes out who's the star player in the team and says your style of play is shit and you've got to change how we used to play the previous manager. That's what he said. Lets let's not dress But from a manager's point of view, what you say, you've got that many problems. That's not nice. going it's not my priority at the moment This party will obviously thinking let's try and get the game out of the way. Sala is leaving. Let him have it let him get that off his chest And I'm trying to rebuild a club for next year and the new new players that he'sbe struggle to settle in. So that's what we said a few months ago, we all aged that was probably a good idea that he was going to leave Yeah. And if he's getting things off his chest, you would be annoyed Roy that was what about manag management is about being annoyed with players players What would you drag him No you know Ill put it this way if I was sl the moment be more annoyed with the players's performances than that of course you're knocking in the morning a lovely statement. I bet your staff will be sitting over cup de going He's not helped us so. But what do you tolerate? P just come up with stuff Ill just leak stuff like. But what do you tolerate in terms of sort of what would be What can he do? Whatact What can he do? Yeah? No, no. So my point is ultimately I don't think I think Cara's right. I think he has to play him on Sunday and bite his bottom lip and sort of I think yesterday I said just take your medicine, but If he had any ahoritity If Annna slotghted authority today at the club with the fans and with obviously with what's going on, he would not have him in the game on Sunday. If he had any authority, I wouldn't have done that. I don't think Me that would certain a m of. wouldn't have done it.ague when managage. would have done it in a different way. done it. It might be in a position where he doesn't have to play him. and then we go because again we go back to you if you want to lose your job making on your decision, has he got the power? but he's got the power to pick the team. All right I said a months ago and everyone was sayitting happen, is you under pressure to play people like Sala It will be Sunday There'll be open war f he doesn't play Mona. Yeah again But if you're going to go to war, then go to war maner if you're the manager Liverpool and youre playing is a bnt for the home and O obviously Jamesy, don't off your nor to spite your f Yeah, but you still think I'd like think we can be Brentford without Sala. Yeah the thing is he knows he can he can put that out. he can put that out a mat for and still a m. have know the power. He's got the Look, this is where if I was on the slot, I'd be looking at the sort of executive in the owners and saying look, you've got a back here or you've got to sort of get becausecause the reality is they got to choose horse aren't they? But you're saying It's going to be his last game you could just you're picking a team. Yeah the you think is best to win the game. But he's going to definitely be speaking into the hierarchy at Liverpool and saying look This is a breach of trust. This is leaving next week, Gary. And it's a breach of discipline, isn't it? It's a bre saying that public is a breach of discipline. it h. Oh, Roy. Well can he get fined for it? Look, I would say that to me is a breach of discipline in terms of team. Would you fine for? team eth? No, it's a team ethic. You think that's normal You're saying the team everythingthing is I'm not saying he's not entitled to say it. and I can understand what you. I Well, we used to saying nothing get in, notothing gets out. I said before, Roy about the team being the most important That is very much is that is whatever you call it. And these players, to be fair, I do make statements like this like You said the teams most important, but then on you other say you're going but Bruno's assister brilliant. It's the team. I know, but the teamack to this is a direct attack on the It is a direct attack on the style of play, the manager, the team. It is a direct. has he not done a club Hes turn him a clap, he started to turning his arms up a clap and clop over I think he was at West Ham. He's got a previous seller. But the reason we've had this conversation before. How would do you deal with this then? The reason with Sala, we mentioned about Ronaldo. Why do we let these players off with this stuff Um, Ar Chentin was here talking about goingone back to Maradana Why do you tolerate all these boys Be they win you game in a weekend, you wouldn't tolerate that from an average full backack. You wouldn't, but what comes with great is somehere to be Ronie O' Sullivan and Alex say, go back to Gorgie Pest, there's an age to him. They will get things off their chest. They will go drinking. they will go missing, but you go, do you know what? I kind of What do you think of good? I don't think they needat sal at the moment Wh do you think I left M Un Iited at thirty four? Do you think for examg would got rid of me when I was twenty four Absolutely not. But what do you think of Shubberers Le, Cerquz Jones supporting. mean Jones obviously in particular was thinking you enjoy your time with them as well. You might you might pull them preseason but you're you waiting ain got lads. It's Mad how we're talking about likes on a social media post in it with all the actual, you are right, the onfield problems and we're saying But a like or doesn't have But a manager's job every day, you're going slot after the moment just putting fires on that's just not of fire he's going But a likeike is an approval of a statement. Yeah the other guys the guys who have liked, they know exactly what they're doing. But do you think he cares so much about Liverpool? he's put that out? What do you think the reason is that put that out?s who think Sally cares about the most themselves that's fine.' the selfishness of a footballer Yeah. Look after that. We the same at the contract. was it a two years ago he was interviewed where this might be my last time at all Tft for he's been givven messagees over for the last few years. Fenchci signs his deal. That's how that's how he rolls. But everyone's kind of forgiven him. Jamie just said, Liverpool fans are going to give a great send off and Jammie sat here on many timee going The most important man at Liverpool is the manager O obviously not at this moment in time if Sala gets a good sender And that's fine. He's. He seems he can do what he wants Stick to Football is brought to you by arrm clothing Well, that's a good point to move into that because you said manager because nobody in the league is called manager anymore. Right from Alon Alonzso. It's usually head coach. So I've been given a four year deal by Chelsea. Do we think that's notothing positive move? No, to be honest, the two things I would be absolutely certain of with Abilon contract. He's obviously taken control. he's got manager. He will have a horrific penalty on the club if they get rid of him in the first couple of years, so I would imagine He will put some sort of what would be clause in there that will make him very must be can you imagine him going to do the contract with they're desperate and made a chance He could literally ask what he wanted there. So good luck to him good when your most powerful. Absolutely when you go to first when you get in there, Roy, I think he's done hopefully he'll do well for himself and then is it exciting for Chelsea? to got to have a manager that's Well, Revered, obviously, I think in Germany, obviously for what he where he plays find it tough at Real Madrid. Yeah yeah. Yeah, but that's the players in it may that just shows he maybe weren't ready for that yet even though player of statue weren't ready to go in that dressing room and lead it. We're talking about somebody now who plays a style of football and with a team that's Champions League. they're going to have one game. he's got every opportunity to really instill a real good uerm project at Chelsea with that with those players. Yeah And obviously, if they're going to buy the players that it want And what system doesn't play? What's what's his f giv of money Does he play sw at the back? playay the b I think But I think you'd be willing to I don't think he's like as set on that as like say Yeah I don't know, like an Namarim or whatever. I think you'll have to he could be just seem be again when the news come that you you can see that Yeah You'll get respect lucky? Chelsea are very lucky that he's available at this time to get a manager like him to come and sort them out where they are in that chaotic vibe. I saw an interview with Tob Boldi the other day and he said there was a The season he had to take overver he didn't have a clue what he was doing He didn't even know what he was doing. He was from America, he didn't know what was going on and he was making all these deals. It was like, you could tell Theyve They've got this manager at a perfect time for them Chelsea. So' unbelv that' f. hopefully they don't m it up with him because they've got some talented players, aren't? Yeah. They need some experience in the spine They a goalkeeper, they sent it back and the seent it forward I think they did all right in the FfA Cup final they made this difficult for city. There weren't I thought it was a nothing game on it Yeah. Yeah, but I thought it was going to be easier for city. I thought I sad watching the AfA Cup FFA Cup. Yeah. I said this to you earlier on the season. I said the FFA Cup has got an identity crisis. Absolutely. It was depressing And that. shouldould still be the last game of the season of. You know, we've got lost in everything. There's a woman's game there's so many games on. When I was younger, the FA Cup was done. Oly game on and you built up all through the week and everything is perfect and And I watched it, I was watching it I said,' gone. R. We have literally come in this morning. We've talked about three or four issues And we've not even mentioned the FAO final. and how can that be exactly? I think when ATV lost it, that's. That's true, Roy ye Yeah. That's when it really went down. he lost his identities It Lost us Yeah Aick. Yeah., I remember when I was younger, I was able to watch the rounds and everything. I was watching everything. I can't do that now, you You can watch It's a great example for Ps or Pp wins if theyu P. And all the other managers over the last few years who take chance for the Cup, they don't prioritize it because understand the relegation battle or whatever teeam's in the table and you see Pack who's one of the greatest managers of all time. going all to these clubs. mananagers must or coaches must look at Pepago he keeps wanting to wins st. Wh shouldn't we try and do? And I'm on about mid table clubsiewer who go along nicely and come to the FA Cub They don't m you got point out for that fullham W full if I' full of fans I'll be devastated this full are so disappointed. but full of more than anything in the way that they don't go for it. evenven like this season Dropping players to play leaving players out to play against Southampton on that last season. I if they if they improve their league position by a couple of places, it gives them more money and more prestige in the FAup. That''s wrong a palace last. I know look what Palace went through last week win last week last year. I've given their fans something' mad It's just like for the sake of the money And the way the eff comp it's because of Yeah yeah you get you in Europe as well. You know what I mean? There so many incentives what we can't change is what's happening though with the competition. L and to be fair, on Saturday, one thing I took after the game was I thought, you, if you're at Guado are in a transition period and you're winning two trophies and you're still knocking on the door for the leag. it's still a good season for Manchester City. There was no disrespect to Manchester City about their fake cup final And I was up in United. If if you're a manager, you're looking at a pep I know if any manager could try of dismiss the FA Cub, He's won everything cy but mayaybe other priorities obviously Europe get knocked out, but still early in the season My other manager must have a peppa whyy is he so desperate to w child? And he's won all the big prizes. I'm a manager who's won nothing I might manage hundreds of games, but you could have a chance to of get a little bit of glor. What do we think about What did we think about the attire? We know that Pppo always wears a polar neck and the Chelsea Manager wore a tracks suit? What do we think about that when we saw it inking? It's gone isn't? It's gone becausecause like should be su onere. You know it the suits and the same with You know, it started for me when it's like when they started making the semifinals go to work. I'll never get over that. I will never get over it. There no suits You know, this is the thing what you built up all week. You went and everywhere you measured your suits, you came out, you came onto the pitch and your suits. it was Yeah. You saw the players in the hotels I know it's a bit nostalgic but taken Everything it was back a song. I got no single. didid it bring a song out? No, not didn bring a song out? Not bring a song out No, it was just. anything that remind me of it back back up of the pps as well. This rememember the song What's the song that we always sing at the FA Cup final Oh bid didn. No bid with me That's the only thing that took me back because that was always in it. Yeah. Everything else is gone I did FA Cup final history of it. likeike you know, when I seen Martinez, the first thing I thought was Wiggan when the won the FA Cup. Like I think of Sunderland, I wasn't even born nineteen seventy three would beat leads in the FA Cup final. Like that's what you get told about. I worry that like it's history. I mean How's it come backust to be fair How's it come back to the FA Cup? Last game of the I that's a good one. ITV, you get it back on ITV You know if maybe at the end of the season. It is weird when the league is still going on, but that tells you the priority, obviously the league is more important in terms of Put them all in suits, bring a song out. We donre't about managers in tracksuits. The only point I would be, obviously managers try and wear what you're comfortable in, of course. But if you want to wear a tracksuit, wear a nice one You know what I mean? I wear when I looks fifteen years old it's got like bubbles on it. Wow. What did you I don't mean that As a suaker? was. of course. Well I'm glad you. I meanit. I don't have one suit. It will never come back. Kpt me gn. It'll never come back. So the F cup's gone forever. The Ff cup in the way that people perceive it is gone It's the final super six round of the season this weekend, over one point a half million pounds have been given away in jackpot prizes since August, including two winners last month. The top scorer prize is doubled this weekend, so there's a guaranteed ten thousand prize alongside the two hundred fifty thousand pounds jackpot It's completely free to play, just go and predict six scores this weekend and the money could be yours. It's also your last chance to enter the Stick to Football minini League using the code S six SF. That's S six SF Good l eighteen plus TNCs apply Give me that trophy, Wow, we Oh, is this is it over? Yeah. doesn's not again to go, It's really clean. That is really nice. It's all onl, is it? Oh, wow, what's kind here. What's going on? Oh It's a bit of a change, isn't it? So 's all right, now? Perfect, Well, what we'll do is before we get into this, we'll just Yeah look how much want. Look how much ch want. It's all about you. can we listen to then So for the let him speak, Jill For the third year running, Gary's team is beitt in Royce team. It'sver, yes. it is. How is it?? So final school. Which gam is that? Gary and Jamie one hundred and fifty nine Rrought Ian in one hundred and thirty eight so G us so those games. Gamesics week. you. Well join the league and keep playing then.. Thank you That's anly not to but on your winning trophers matters. I mean Thank you to David Moy, to Wayne Roey to Paul's goals to Jimie M.y Moys. You left, Jimmy.' t of'self. How How can we do that when there's a week left? There's a week. Is that given out? There we go.'sidiculous. It's a beautifulop.'s at this home with it Gary. Thank you.. Thank you on bealf of my teammates that aren't here today. I said Congratulations. Well, Don Garace, see you Stay there just behind me. What's there for rest of the season Ne season, p needs to be there. Liverpoolill well done. We'll finish. we're also gonna do your revisit your hot takes from earlier in the season. Oh wow and see who's getting some m I to tell you what? I I was a lot closer. than remember Cargo when he laughed at this one. Yeah. Yous actually lo it. Oh Roy. Well, Roy That's the best one, in it? I should get more than ten thousand. How can' that be the best one for before qualifying forced to. I've got all the distractions. How feel Pag F did? That's too. Well I I'm so she turned up from me. I think I said I think I said top four. Roy's buttoned it. Jill's buttoned it. Yeah. Ian's buttoned it or no Jayan has Chelsea won't make it after the Champions Leagueroup stage. We didough, didn't it They did. So so Jamie is out. Liverpool was not.s any hs out. He can't have any kind of like any kind of progress for me. You always bring it down. I'm's That's theight.'s theightough will stay up. That' one of there. Oly on that. have league table. No, because if mind does come true by the way, what are the odds are I one are two teams? Two of the teams staying up last T two one's easy. You will finish topsick. What a prediction that is' even aam Lu? Yeah because it was so funny because obviously werere gonna do it. No use were all seeing the one gu. You know you're going to finish in the top half. twoper b. It's all on camera. so hard. Okay, so what are the teams that were coming I said Chance going to se in the top four five You're lau. if you hear is personally. My of you Roy. But at the moment, Roy is win definitely.. Okay on att theent, Roy is winning. Yeah. Ohar me outar He's an honest man.ar me Bournemouth were to beat city. ye And then and then go past Liverpool and then go into the Champions League. that would be like massive. Would that be time A L lot of the time. we could discuss that when we meet up next season. No, but then it also writes forot about. Right. It also brings mine into play, which means Liverpool wouldn't be in the Champions League if form of front, whichich is a great ch, whichich would be unmly from where they were. So I think at the moment, who's got the best show? Roy. Roy Ment, Roy. He's also on one so it's definitely Roy. I should get all their other of money then for the guide dog.. goodood news is Super sixix because they're just great' going to give thousand pounds? No ye. Everybody wins! Everyone win. everyverybody winning Everybody goeses. I' a gu dog. Sorry older, hy, notothing. That's better isn they find it? That's brilliant.. That's fantastic. Forget the other foundations, forget the children at the bottom. Let's just do. Let's give all the me to r for the dog. B you by on myselfon on looking Next year, Buckab p it. I forot show my lastation. I what. I was Stick to foootball is brought to you by arm clothing. On Saturday I watched my first Scottish football match for a long time Oh yeah And I know we've got some people who have got a Celtic bias in this room I felt so sorry for herart. How can not How can you not Oh I know it's I just thought, do you know something? I hvly sellt it well done to them. They've won the Trophy Martin,'s on the show. inccredible achievement, well done was sot I feel so sorry for that. I' all g again. didid you stick with it? Everyone. I stuck with it Yeah Its tough on It's very tough because you know what? And they scored first in that place, I thought you know got to get the half timimer one of. Absolutely. We got to get the halfimer one. But then the penalty Roy Yeah you can, But even if for that right to give the b bus. But you know what, what we love Thfully hatcha We'recellent level sport. to remind to everybody. you're trying to win stuff, win stuff, win Not assists are cornerscept you got a windstone and And it's brutal, but that's why we love it. I love watching T was It was It was cruel, but that's why we love it. If it wasn't cruel, we'd be like,' be bloset about it How many years has it been over thirty h well a hal to see. N since it since it was Celtic ores or forty two weren't it forty wasn't it Alex h. I'm going to buy hack for another team I it would' have been happen Alexon. ye, yeah long time I think that was just something it sounds crazy. I mean obviously if you're a Celtic fan you're going be absolutely not listening to this whatsoever, but it felt like it did need or does need H to win. What does it need? Yeah But Tony Blooms in there. Yeah, ye. listen. he's that's and that's his this is his first season. So can you imagine That's their first season. That's what I would probably say to them. I know they had to leave with their fucking clos in their hands because they couldn't even get changed there? Because the fans were in the fans Yeah the fans went crazy there, but like you know, that's gonna to happen. I remember being there when one of those things happened they're waiting for youour. Credit to Celt then. you got it his heart's brilliant with Celtting hung in there. the ups and downs, change of managers mountain gone in, a mountain showed Why he's a top manager mananaging did Martin look by the way. talk about track suuits beforereen tracksuits iss gorgeous. That green trackuit the little wouldn't have been cool inside. Let me tell you that. No I' outin would have been Oh to get him over the line Yeah Marton's a brilliant job. didentifificar is obviously staff and the players again, the top players found a way to win that It wasn't pretty in the game. I think they've won the last seven league games got to I think it shows how important it is Roy O you see, he's gone in like tactically, technically you can't change too much, but like his level of emotional intelligence We'll overthink that sometimes in the pre like we haven't got a lot of managers that seem to get the don't about managers but coaches now, but Martin would have managed the club. There wass a lot of off the field stuff going on with fans and the board. I'm saying that's gone away. He managed to get everyone on side Yeah fand at the end. That's our m board or that's management. That's experience that Martin has got