Reflecting on Tampa Bay and Future Goals

Just before we get started, I just wanted to say a big thank you to our partners Skybeck and please don't forget to subscribe if you like. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Hey how you doing? What's up partner? How are you? Good see to you? How are you inv'reited . Nice to see you. I'm doing great. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. It works. Is this the one you always do? Yeah, we're Roy and Ryan. So they're just coming down now. I'm not gonna go at them 'cause you're here before them. They should be waiting. You should be waiting for us sooner. It's all good. I got here early. It was an easy drive over. I've had my apartment's super close. It's a good block, obviously. It's a beautiful building. Yeah. My friend developed it. He lives in the building. Right. He's from Boston, right? He named his son Brady. So he told me you're sitting here. You're at the head of the table some. There's a pool, there's a basketball court. Right . Gym Limithon. Beautiful gym . There's a sauna, there's a steam room. But it was good because he's living itself . I want to buy that building. Is it expensive? Yeah . Will we run it? You know what? Like this real estate keeps going up. This city like when COVID happened , it was so quiet empty. Nothing. And then everyone said N,ew Y Isork City gonna come back? Right? And then yesterday you saw New York and it's a zoo . It's never been busier. Yeah . So do you feel when you come over here are you like just something? We got stuck in the traffic mirror, went to watch the fucking hot the cold. Yankees went to watch. Oh yeah, last night. What do you think of the baseball by the way? I love it. We love it. Yeah . But it's a hard watch, eh? Oh yeah, yeah, it's slow. It's really slow. We were a beautiful stadium. Oh, it was amazing. And yeah, the Yankee are the best of the best. Yeah, yeah, but it's slower. It's so slow. It's a long game. They've tried to speed it up. I know yeah, like a time oock'c wasl like it used to be really long games, now they're much faster. Yeah. There's a long history of baseball in America. Right. They called it America's pastime. Okay , because like in the nineteen twenties , baseball ruled for like sixty years. Right. And then in the eighties , our football started coming on. Our football started , it didn't even start professionally. Our football started in basically in college and coll,ege football is way bigger than profall in America. Yeah. What's the big swing then? What was the swing? What was the sort of moment in television? Television. And then television happened, and then American football is incredible on television. It's the perfect spect ator sport and there's only seventeen games a season . So you don't and it's once a week held on the weekend and it's a three hour commitment and the visuals on football, the gladiator aspect , the art and the science of it really takes over. How long have you guys done the show for ? Three and a half years, four years. Yeah. Are they all done in the UK? All in the US a few over here. We did two earlier on the week. They do well. Yeah, we've had David's been on, Rory McAroy's been on. Tyson Fury, Auntie Joshua, all the boxes and USIC Who else has been on? I think he's been Stephen Gerard, Frank Lampard, all the big sort of football players. JJ Watt came on. Okay, One Burnley came on. Do you know him? Very well. Yeah. He's a good guy, yeah. Great. Yeah, he's a great player. Was he had the most because we were talking to him? He was the defender he had the most tackles. Is it the most tackles or something? Phenomenal. Was it the most defensive block? Defensive player of the year awards. Yeah. He was incredible . He was so gifted. That big, that athletic. Yeah. I mean, think about him as a goalkeeper. Yeah. I mean, you couldn't have been difficult. Is that what was that his position? Was he on the end? He's kind of on the inside of the def ensive line and he was way more athletic than everybody he played . And he's got a brother that's equally said yeah. Yeah. So it's like two brothers that are elite players . Both make would the hall of fame. Right. Hey Roy. How you doing partner? Please to meet you. Nice to see you too. Big fan. How's everything? Same here. Hood respect. Yeah. I'm doing great. Yeah. He's not a big fan of everybody to be fair to you. Is that right? Why not? For him to say big fan. That's high praise . After a few games, yeah, I've always loved this since I was kid growing up in Ireland. Is that right? There wouldn't be much sports on it. I was at the NFL on a Sunday. Really? So yeah . Why would they have it on in Ireland? Not sure yeah, good question. Yeah. So yeah, I loved it back in the day. I'm going to Ireland on Monday by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Where about? I'm going to play golf with my dad for three days. We're going to Royal County Down. And we're going to Port Marnick. Yeah, and we're going to a Dair Manor. Oh, cool, not bad. Yeah. It's beautiful over there. The golf course isn't there. Oh my god. Have you played some of the courses? I think I played Port Is it Port Rush? Yeah, it would be Yankee Burton . Yeah. Port Rush, yeah. I think I played Port Rush once. I played the David got married in Ireland at oh was the castle called . Where David got married and I played golf there with him. Yeah, I can never remember it. That's the name of it. It's like a famous one. But I'm going to you're sending me he sent me to Ireland about a month when I get back to I Saint Johnson . Ordering me girls to go. No, Asfordh Castle. Asford Castle. Yeah, that'd be cool. Is that Gold Coast? I've got Galway Mayor on the board of Galway Mayo. We have to get the car Kinsale. Have you heard of golf course in Kinsale? Yeah, it's supposed to be the old head that's called. Yeah, I've had of course it's supposed to be a while ago. Did you yeah, loved it. It's amazing yeah. Well, I'm not into golf, but I know about the course of course and I like watching. I was an Irishman into golf. Because I didn't have the patience for it Really? Yeah But a practice and lessons and yeah, yeah. I tried it. I did try it, but did you play while you played while you were a professional? Did you play because to be fair, you didn't like he didn't like the golf, he didn't like the players rushing off to go and play golf. Oh yeah. The idea of distraction and just four hours on a golf course and stuff like that. Yeah. He thought we played so I played growing up. I had three older sisters, right? Okay. And my dad was going to be a priest . And when he went to the seminary in Chicago, he manicured kind of the landscape of the golf course . So when he had a son , my dad was always in a golf and he got when I was two years old, he's like, come on, we're going to golf like golf because you know, the girls are now so let's go play golf. So I always loved it and then I went to college and I worked at a golf course in the summertime to play free golf. Yeah . And then when I got to the pros, I was decent but then football took over and I never played during the season. So my golf game just got worse and worse and worse. And then now the last three years since I've been retired, I play more. What you are , what you off? I'm pretty good now. Three or four probably,. Straight back into it. It took a while. It took like three years. I had a lot of bad habits and I'm tall. Golf's not good for tall people. It's hard. You're a long way from the ball. Roy McAroy's great. He's much closer to the ball. It's a shorter arc . I mean, all the good golfers, Jack Nicholas was five nine . Rory's probably five, ten , you know, Gary Player, Arnold Palmer. Yeah, how small are you? You should have the ideas for your fl foightot forward. And you'd be really good . You know, you still get a lot of that power, but like, you know, Tiger was five, eleven, six feet. Okay. Well, when you start being six, three , Tiger looks taller than that when you look at my mom and I met him officers, he looks taller than that.. Yeah. And you watch him He's not as he's five, eleven, six foot fight. Yeah. What you six foot? I'm six, five . What do you play off and have the golf? Yeah. I was twelve when I like going back in sort of when I was nineteen, twenty and I stopped playing during foot myball career and didn't pick it back up again. Have you not picked it up at all? No, I'm going to play with Decker on Monday. It's at Hampton's Sabonic ? Yeah . Yeah, incredible. Is he good? Spectacular. Yeah, I'm going on Monday. Yes, if you were to come by the way. Gary did invite me to go with him. No, come with us. You should go just to see it. Judge wait by the way, I'm Bret Brett I said, What will I do when you're playing golf? You can sit in the clubhouse. I was like , it's a beautiful house for three or four hours. We'll go put or you could put, you could hit some balls. Tom, could he go around? Could he drive around the Hamptons from there as well? By the way, the Hamptons is one of those beautiful places. I'm sure it is. Yeah, yeah, but why do you go? Come with us you got an invite yeah, but you're not you aren't selling it to me. You know what I mean? You can watch some games . What else are you gonna do? Sit in a hotel room? What's the best place for him to go in the Hamilton's driving around if it's all beautiful. Okay. You're in the best part, Southampton where that golf course . So where that golf course is Sabonic , there's another one called National, which is probably the third or fourth best one in the country. Right, which is next to Shinocock, where they're playing the US Open . All three of 'em are, you can see all of from the 'em same place . So it's the most beautiful. Yeah. One of the most beautiful places in the Broadway golf. Are you selling it better than you were? Yeah. You were just saying just sit in the club . The food's incredibly sandwich. The food's incredible. Why? Go watch it. Well, I might do. Yeah, that's time. Beautiful day. Where's he in, by the way? We did say nine thirty five. We did say nine hundred thirty five. Don't worry about it. Yeah. He's always a bit lit. A glass for that. Tom, what's in that, by the way? It's a potion. No. It's all conduction . Water, electrolytes, minerals. I've spoken to you about this officer. We did a thing a few weeks ago, but it's it says the eighty twenty diet and it's like completely transformed. What is that? I'm pretty good about what I you know, when I started playing, I was like kind of like everyone else. And then I needed to like improve my processes for playing. And then I got good at it and I met a guy who now runs our Health and Wellness at the Raiders who actually runs a Health and Wellness at Birmingham C ity too. Right . And you know, we just it's good food, it's the right hydration, the right body work, the right workouts. And I played till I was forty five, and we had the lowest injury rates last year . How you doing? Where are you gone? We're just finished. All right. In conclusion, it was great. Thanks for having me. Did you enjoy the show? Tom thank you enjoying it. You enjoyed that. That was great. I know these were the notes on Tom. Jesus. I waited now to get up here w andait l forate Tom Brady Tarry. Buddy. I know. We finished everything. Vincent Lambari, be fifteen minutes. We'll do it again if we need to. Ian, we were just talking about, actually, Mr. Golf but forget that we were, talking about Tom's diet and he's eighty twenty now, he sort of moved from that. We ate well at the baseball last night. I had two hot dogs and some ice cream. That's good. Is that okay? It's fine. Is that part of the eighteen by name So when you guys were playing it, when you guys were playing , did you have a lot of working out physical training? Like they do in American Superbowl. We got a nutritionist. We got a nutritionist in the late nineties and we're talking about actually yesterday. He got down to about five percent, five and a percent body fat. Wow, which was like you say it was too low. You went like into like a complete and utter. I can be a man of extreme so that was that was too low. Yeah. And when I was playing in the midfield, I was I was people were hitting me and I was hitting them. So I was feeling a lot. I should have that was too low without a doubt. Who made you that Rog? What happened? Probably me, probably me, 'cause I used to be used to be about when I first went to United, I was about twelve thir, mayteenbe,. Or higher than that maybe? Yeah, it was about eighteen or nineteen. Yeah. Yeah, it was carrying a bit of. But you were to be fair, I was a guinish. You weren't looking after yourself. You weren't looking after. I wasn't Gary No, I wasn't a good probe it's not about me as it is . Back off, would you? Right. Yeah, it's some bad habits, though, you know what I mean? As you get older, a bit more mature. You got bad habits. Yeah, but I grew out of it. I have no bad habits anymore. I just kidding 'cause I have a lot of bad habits, none of which I'm gonna tell me cool cameras. Of course, we don't want that, but like I'm saying that Roy had some bad habits . Yeah, the other I don't need to me This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybett. Before we kick off the show, I want to say huge thank you to our partners Sky Bett, who've helped bring you stick to football throughout this tournament. Make sure you've liked and subscribed . You do not want to miss what's coming next. Right, let's get into it . They didn't have a very high projection of what they thought I could become, and a lot of it was because of that combine foot o. I wasn't the big. You want to say it? No, I don't. We've got there. We've got you know it's super breakfast. Roy Break . Guess what? As one hundred ninety ninth pick, I love beating the first r ound picks. How good was that guy in college? I'm going to kick his ass next. I'd love to learn from you guys. Why do you fire so many coaches all the time? Don't they realize the players play? Every play is a set piece. So if your set pieces are better than theirs . Thank you Tom. Yeah, thank you Tom. Asenal fan. They 're Tomb in the league three set. They've been phenomenal. When Bill Belichick walked in the room, everyone sat up . He said, Do your job. This is what he said. I love that line. Yeah . You've just drafted the first pick. Yeah, we needed a quarterback. Once you're selected, it doesn't matter. Now you're just a member of the team. Now you have to develop him. Tom fell asleep in the locker before ro hisom first su per bowl. For all he said the last time on our house, he was old the night before. It's blathered. Blathered . Blathered. That's wrong. I love you breath . We're talking about baseball. Good and the first pitch we've got here, Tom fuck me . Is it s like a good that' psicture good? We thing'. a The worst fucking picture of my life. I mean, that tops are great. You can look back down and say Tom got worse than this. You're a catcher word. You're a catcher word. Yeah. Pretty good one too. Yeah. So you were a catcher was a little like playing quarterback. It's you're kind of in charge. You call the pitches. They don't start until you know, put the glove up . You're in the action, every play is there . You get to be a little bit of a leader. Pretty tough part of the part of the field. And like I said , when I grew up , my dad actually got drafted to play professional baseball. All three of my sisters played softball. So it was just in our family. And you know, when you say about the catcher, so is he telling the guy what the pitcher to do? So now he does it's a little different now. They mean it goes back and forth a lot when I was playing the catcher told the pitcher what to throw. There's some really cool stories about coming out that there was one of the greatest baseball pitchers in American named Greg Maddox. He played for the Atlanta Braves. He was dominant in like the nineties. He was incredible. He would call his own pitches and he would do it when the catcher threw the ball back to him, how he caught the ball would tell the catcher the next pitch he was going to throw . So if he had the glove facing this way, it was a certain thing. It was up. If it was this way, it was one thing and no one ever picked up on his entire career. Some crazy stories. Now they actually have because there's a crazy sign stealing thing like what happened in the championship this year , you know, the whatever . They now buzz in, they have like an electronic buzzer . So it basically like between the catcher and the pitcher they can hit buttons bone that just they're on the watch on the watch or what? I don't know exactly the way it works, but it's basically some electronic communication that doesn't allow signs to happen anymore, right? Do you like that? Or do you think that's getting too much technology with the sport ? No, I love technology. I know there's like a lot going on with some last ball, wasn't it? The decision though and I think that's the when I watch like Wimbleton now and they rule every ball in or out, like I love that. I mean, I think the guys work so hard year round to train and you hit a good shot and it's in and they call it out and you lose and we have the technology to actually improve it. Well, why would you not do it? It's like if it's instantaneous and the flow of the game happens, why would you not take advantage of the technology? Which I think like in American football , technology is really important in the game because things happen so quick . And I think there's always a part between like protecting traditions versus innovating to make the game better for the fans and for the players. For then sports are more stop start, that's the frustrating thing in England and everyone likes to fast pace . So in American football, for example, not even the tennis. It is stop start, isn't it? A lot of that sport where soccer is football is so when they slow it down for it's frustrating like last night when they were making them decisions we were cooler weren't wearing our time is the baseball. Yeah, in but Eng land they don't but where they got to go anyway, I mean, what's the rush? Why are we going to be about the space will notice? Would you rather get it right or would you? I suppose but it's just what I used to. Yeah , which is actually comfortable for everybody to go what we're used to, but we love the innovation on our technology devices. We love the innovation in our cars. We love the innovation in so many parts of our life, but in sports sometimes we like to keep things non innovative it.' Ands like how can we, think of these sports in the new generation, whether it's golf or whether it's American football or what changed, Tom for you, you're going to go to obviously the start of your career where your, I think, one hundred ninety ninth pick draft out of two hundred and twenty five or two hundred fifty something. Two fifty. Yeah . How did innovation change from that moment to the end of your career, which obviously is mid forties? What's the biggest changes through that career in technology? What happened in NFL The biggest the most substantial change, I think in the NFL from when I started to now is the contact aspect of the sport, which I kind of appreciated the physicality and I would say most sports, the physicality is much different now than it was of course when we all started playing. But I think there's like physical toughness is the only thing to me that can beat skill if you just make it a skills competition , then the best athletes will always find a way to win. But if you can make it a toughness competition , who's tough with skill , then I think the toughness can sometimes overtake that . And I think just because of people being really conscious , conscientious about head injuries . And I don't it's not my favorite thing to talk about. I think that like part of what you sign up for as an athlete is you're willing to take more risks than what other people are willing to take. And I've played, you know, and I've been around a lot of NFL athletes. Michael Stream's one of my great friends. He's on TV with me . Rob Ronkowski, you know, guys that played in a certain area of tough football were great. You know what I mean? We work hard, we took care of ourselves . You know, we look back at our careers and I think you're real happy. And I think I'm really happy about the sport that I played because it was physical and the physicality of the sport forced me to come up with disciplines within myself that allowed me to be very healthy over a long period of time. And now I can still use those disciplines when I retire to live kind of a really active physical lifestyle even though I'm done . So what are the big changes Tom from when you start to now mean in football there's something similar going on in England with heading the ball? Yeah . So now I think kids under sixteen they're, only allowed not to head the ball more than maybe one or two times per practice. What is it similar types of thought or things that happen here in the NFL? Obviously with what's happening? Yeah, I think the biggest change is and I've expressed this a few times is the offensive players on a team, my team should protect myself and your team needs to protect yourself. And I think the difference is there's a physical element to play where the quarterback can make a decision with the football and try to throw it to Roy , but Ian's really close. Now, Ian's coming in with a lot of force to try to knock the ball off Roy. Yeah. The problem is if Ian comes in too fast and all of a sudden Roy drops his head four inches and Ian clips his helmet because he's coming in to knock the ball off him, they're going to call a penalty on Ian and they're going to penalize you yards and they're going to find you . So now Ian's got to come in really slow and under control . Now Roy gets to catch the ball with no ramifications. The quarterback can throw the ball in places that he used to not be able to throw the ball into because now we blame the defensive player for making the right play on the football . So to me like if you're carrying the football and you're running you're running the ball down the field and you need a turnover. The defender has to come in with a lot of force to try to knock the ball off you. He's got to run full speed because these guys are so strong . If you're coming in half speed, you're never going to put enough force on the football to knock it off me. But if you brought in all your force to knock the ball off me, you're coming at a speed which you can't change your target area if you're coming in full speed. So now of a sudden the court the running back drops his helmet . You're running, you hit his helmet and because there's helmet helmet contact, automatically there's a flag on you and you're the problem, not the runner . So I think you should there should be an element of offensive players protect offensive players, defensive play ers protect defensive players. It's not the defensive player's responsibility to protect the opposite team. It'd be like going to a boxing match and saying, I want you to beat him, but don't hurt him too bad . Right. Don't knock him out. And it's like, hold on, my job, if I don't want to knock him out, he's got to play better defense. He's got to protect himself. Right. So I just think I had this probably ten , ten year part of my career, eleven , twelve year part of my career, which was the old way, and then there was the new way . And now we're easier . It's just it's just more I don't think I think you're rewarding poor styles of play and poor decisions as opposed to saying, I got to make really good decisions at quarterback to protect my own teammates, to throw the ball where the ball needs to be thrown because yeah, I mean it,'s really detailed. I need a chalkboard to draw some of the things up. But for the most part, you know, that's probably the number one change. And they have tried nobody wants to see people get injured. No , but I think we should get better at actually taking care of people. We should get better Why don't we focus our energy on how to get people recovered better? Why are we still archaic about that? But then let's change the rules to actually lessen the contact. Where to me, contact is a big part of the game . And it's still very still a lot of contact in the sport , but we've lessened it by probably twenty five, thirty percent The quarterbacks and when you compare the quarterbacks to the last few years, you look at the quarterback now that they're throwing flag Ig thinked. that's frustrating is you must look at the current quarterbacks and they're getting a lot more time around there because people are a bit wary of certainly hitting the quarterback. Yeah. And I think one thing so like there became a lot of rules to protect a lot of players receivers , defensive players and certainly the quarterbacks. And now the quarterbacks can take the ball and they can run the ball without much fear of getting hit really hard because anytime the quarterbacks running , it used to be when I first started playing, if you decided to run, you were treated like a running back. Oh yeah. And every running back, they would come in knock the shit out of you. Yeah. Now when you run outside bucket, they still treat you like a quarterback , which means you can slide and if they come in and they put their shoulder there's a flag. And I just don't like the fact that like there's a lot of the most amazing players that ever played in the NFL. They're in the Hall of Fame that relied on a physical style of play. That those players who were so gifted and so talented in today's football they would be called dirty players . Whereas all they're doing is trying to do their job really well . And I don't think like you make someone a dirty player he's playing with a lot of force and you know, you know with the quarterback. You see like when you because you are the main guy. So those are tough guys . They want to stop they want to hit you as hard as you can because you are the main guy. They want to slow you down. Yeah, is that not happy? That's not happening today, right? They still are. I mean, they're look, there's still a lot of I'm talking about really hit them because it's less for sure. And there's less like, for example, if I were to hit Gary on the way to the ground, you have to roll my body off of you so I don't my body doesn't land on top of your body How do you do that? It's guys figure out a way to do it, but at the same time, like if the quarterback wants to hold the ball to the last last second . I understand that. That's a decision the quarterback has to make . If Roy's bearing down on me is going to hit me as I'm getting ready to throw it. I want to let him come as close as possible and then I throw it to give my receiver enough time to get open and then you knock the shit out of me and you knock shit out of me and I got to get up and I got to play the next play . Now when you're coming at me , these guys wait forever as long as they want and as soon as Ball is thrown, Roy can't hit me that hard. And if Roy does hit me when he drives me to the ground, he's got to peel off . So you're just saying you have to be way more under control as a defensive player, which I understand why it doesn't mean I like it. I like the fact that like that can't be natural can because if their job is to try and get out the quarterback, get a fumble or hurt you. Yeah, their instinct is different, isn't it? The instincts are a lot. So you have a guy let's say, this is the sideline and the quarterback scrambles out of the pocket and he's running down the sideline and you have defensive players that are all pursuing him to try to do it. If that quarterbacks one inch from the sideline and he starts to step out of bounds and the defensive players knock the shit out of him , they will blame the defensive players . When my view is, he's still in bounds. Yes. If he wants to run out of bounds two yards before the defenders get him, let him run out of bounds. It's his choice. Don't blame the defensive players for trying to defend every blade of grass . As a defensive player, we've won Super Bowls by defending one yard in the NFL. twenty fourteen, we played the Seattle Seahawks . We got to the fourth quarter of the game. It was a great game . They got the wall down to our one yard line with under thirty seconds left . If they get the one yard and they score touchdown, we lose playing the symbol. The entire season , seven months of football came down to who could defend one yard . We defended it. They chose to throw the ball. We should have run it should have run it. I like the fact that they threw it. I'm very happy the way they threw it. But to me, like every yard should be important on the football field there. So why let a quarterback run unabated for five extra yards? Because these defenders are slowing down because they don't want to hit the quarterback or be called a dirty player . To me it',s like let them play fast and aggressive. You're going to know they're fast and aggressive. As a quarterbacker as a runner, you need to make decisions based on the fact that they're but we basically have told offensive players. You guys are infallible. There's nothing you could do wrong. You just run till you get tired . And if you want to slide, you can slide. If you want to stay up, we can't hit you that hard anyway. So I think that's the biggest difference. And I think it's created , like I said, a comfort zone for certain players that used to not exist. And the penalties are bigger aren't you if you are touched now it's like fifteen, twenty, twenty five yards can be put fifteen yards, but what they start doing is they start fining you fifty thousand dollars, seventy five thousand dollars. And I'm saying like, I hate that. I hate the fact that like you sign a contract for two million dollars a year, five million dollars a year and it's so easy for someone to say, give me seventy five thousand and give me fifty thousand dollars. Oh, it's your second offense. That's one hundred dollars. That's your third thing . Yeah. Boy, I mean, I know I've seen a lot of self code I'm self coded on I know, but I'm like this is like what job what job is like that in the world where you make a mistake at your job and they come and they go hey we're gonna take your salary away and then people are like, yeah, you should take a salary away. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, I've been finished . I know. I mean, you would think, Oh, you make a mistake in your job, they find you. So there's just a few of those little nuances that at least we could bring awareness to it. Yeah, you know, and I think sometimes the pendulum swings too far one way and it's got to swing back the other way. This episode of Six to Football is brought to you by Skybett See that picture there? I know we've gone off a little bit. I'm not going to bring it back because you don't like it, but yeah, where was you in your kind of like your grove and we love that picture though? Yeah, we do love that picture. Obviously we looked pretty British. No, no, no, we looked at that picture Tom, and we look at you now and it doesn't it doesn't look real. You don't look right. It was thirty fucks years ago You can come in. Tom, there's another picture there's a picture of you. There's a picture of you before you get draft. It's a famous picture of you where're absolutely immaculate. You're the greatest of all time, but you're under ninety ninth draft pick. Are you at that point where you can see everyone else getting picked before you? Is that how it happens? Yeah, you see everybody else get you get told you too. Are you happy? Are you a bit like I'm relieved ? Relieved. I'm struggling here because I'm laughed. How's that public? It's a public. Yeah, it's a very public thing. Yeah, very public. And it's not like you're look , it's a great opportunity to be drafted wherever you're drafted. And the reality is it doesn't matter where any of us start in our careers . You could start as the prodigy, you could start as someone who never thought would be that successful. There's an element to all of us where you never know who you are until you face adversity in life. And you have to grow up through adversity and through challenges . And things don't always go your way. And I had a really good college career. I went to one of the best colleges in America . I played at one of the most storied football programs in America at the University of Michigan. I played in college in front of one hundred ten thousand fans . I was twenty wins and five losses in my career at Michigan. We were really good, but then it came to the draft and then you have a lot of scouts that evaluate these college prospects and they think, well, let's project what they could become. And they saw me and they didn't have a very high projection of what they thought I could become. And a lot of it was because of that combine photo. I wasn't the biggest You want to say it? No, I don't. I know what it looks like. I lived it. We've got there. Come on there, Roy Break the fucking eye pane. Thank you very much. Get rid of that thing . Well get the IF Exactly. So it was like they see the picture and they go, well, he's not that big and he's not that fast. But the quarterback position, I'm tall. I'm not the most muscular. Yeah. It was just been a hard thing for me to put on all that muscle . And honestly, you put on too much muscle, you're going to get injured a lot of times too . And I wasn't really a runner. So what ended up being my biggest weakness was the fact that I wasn't that fast, turned into my biggest strength, that it forced me to prepare and study better than basically anybody that played. There was a few other guys that I would compare myself to in terms of preparation, film study, anticipation . And I went into a system in New England that embraced all those things . And then I could truly play field general. I could play the game between my ears. And then my physical skill within two or three years really caught up to everybody else. Yeah. So I think there's a way for every athlete to truly maximize their potential. And I think there's a physical, mental and emotional part of us that allow us to all be successful. We oftentimes over evaluate the physical . And we think, oh, because he's such a physical athlete and he's talented, he's going to be great. To me, I mean, you probably got along because you understood the game. You saw the passages, you saw the strategy, you saw the tactics. And then emotionally , you bring a competitive stamina , a energy and enthusiasm and optimism to the team every day. There's nothing worse than a teammate that one day he's fucking great and the next day, what happened to him? Yes. Okay, Ian, sorry. That wasn't me . That wasn't it was always a pit. Yeah, I had to when you have that athlete or teammate that you know every day is going to show up, he's going to be on time. He's going to train hard, he's going to be good in the locker room. He's always going to be dependable. Those are the type of teammates you want. You would take someone like that over the less skilled player that or the more skilled player that has more volatility because you know what you can count on . So to me, I was very mental emotional was off the charts. Physically, I needed to catch up. And I started to do that from those moments on when I improved my nutrition, when I was more hydrated, when I worked out better, when I recovered better, was there a moment where you felt unable to do this now? I was always part of it. It was always part of it. I just it got really intense. It got intense because and one of the biggest moments was in my career. And I met a guy who's my best friend still. I talked to him this morning. I talked to him last night. He's running the health and wellness department for the Las Vegas Raiders now where I own part of the team. We have the lowest injury rates in the NFL at Birmingham City in the championship the last two years, we had the lowest injury rates of any team. And he started to train me with a lot of recovery treatments that got me feeling back to one hundred percent really quickly. After games, after injuries. And now we just run those protocols for our entire What were they tomb back then? What were they back then? So a lot of it so I'll give you an example. I was a quarterback. I threw the ball a lot. I had significant elbow pain . It was elbow it was tendonitis, basically . And the tendon in my elbow would get inflamed. Every time I would throw, I would go in the weight room, I would lift weights because everyone says, you got to lift weights if you want to be better. If you want a stronger arm, you got to lift weight. So I would do bicep curls, I do tricep pushdowns, I do bench press, I do pulls, I do all the things . Then I would go on the field. So in the weight room, those muscles are getting stronger, but they're also getting tighter and thicker , okay? Now I go on the football field and I've got to create this really elastic movement where all these muscles need to be really long and elastic. But in the weight room, I've changed them to be very densely tight. So now I have this elbow tendon that's like, hold on , what do you want me to do? Do you want me to be dense and tight or do you want me to be long and elastic? So this tendon is now becoming very inflamed through all the repetitive throwing motions day after day to the point where I couldn't throw anymore. I would have to take days off. You take this day off and then you come back and you practice every other day. And after practice, we're going to ice your elbow. We're going to give you an anti inflammatory and you're going to rest. That was like our career is that we do. Wow. Anti inflammatory ice rest. And then finally, it wasn't working anymore because you get older, you're like, hold on, at used to at nineteen that worked, then at twenty it worked, but at twenty two, it's not working that much. At twenty four it's not really getting better and it's hurting more and you know it's becoming more irritating. So I meet Alex, one of my teammates William McGuinness who's a great defensive end from USC a first round pick for the Patriots I think. in nineteen ninety three , he says, Tommy , we can't have you. I already won a super roll at that point. He's like, we can't have you mispractice. You're coming with me now. You're going to go work with Alex. And I'm like, what can he do that no one else was ever done for me . He was just listen, just shut up. Just grabs me, brings me into this little side training room and Alex says, What's the problem? He said, My elbow hurts. Okay, here's what we're gonna do. We're going to through manual therapy, muscle work. We're going to lengthen and soften all the muscles in your forearm, all the muscles in your bicep, and all the muscles in your trip to relieve the tension on your tendon. muscle doesn't Your te yourndon doesn't hurt because they're too weak . They hurt because they're too tight . So we need to through muscle work , relieve the tension. So now instead of these muscles being very short and dense, we're going to make them along and elastic through the treatments. So now after three or four days of him doing the treatments, I would ice the tendon a little bit to bring a little inflammation down. I stayed on the anti inflammatory for a little bit, but then after making these muscles a little bit longer through the muscle work, the inflammation in the tendon came down. And then there was no elbow pain. And I was like, that was the first time in my life since I was that boy playing baseball that my elbow pain went away. And I was like, well, fuck, can you do it for my shoulder? Yes. Because my shoulder's sore too. I'm going to lengthen out your pec. I'm going to lengthen out your deltoid. I'm going to lengthen out the muscles in your back. That you've created a lot of denseness and stiffness wor youking're out. Now I'm going to lengthen those out. Well, I didn't have any shoulder pain. And I'm like, well, can you do it on my knees? Yeah, I'm going to work on your calves, on your quads, and your hamstrings, and we're going to create space in the knee joints so that the knees aren't in pain And I was like, it was an unlock for me . So it was like, okay, once I started getting the right muscle work, it was like, okay, when I go away from you, what I do, you gotta stay really hydrated because I want your muscles to be more like beef tenderloin than beef jerky. If your muscles are like beef jerky and we put tension on that, they're going to tear . So we got to be really hydrated, which how do we get dehydrated ? There's a lot of things that dehydrate us. Travel, certain , you know, drink coffee, drink alcohol, dehydrating. You sweat a lot. You go in the sauna, steam room, you'd sweat a lot. But if you don't rehydrate your muscles get really dry. You get dry, they tear easy. So okay, we're going to stay hydrated . We're going to put a lot of electrolytes and trace minerals in what you drink. And then after that, after three or four years, it was like, what I need to eat? Okay, we're going to cut down on the sugars basically. Anything that can cause inflammation in your body, we're going to try to just cut down on the inflammation. You can have a little bit of, you know, sugar and a little bit, you know, you can go out and have fun with your friends, but you just can't overdo it all the time. Yeah. So over time, it became the right muscle work, the right treatments , the right hydration, the right nutrition. I would take kind of the generic supplements like a multivitamin or a fish oils or things like that. And then finally I got to I did a little brain training exercises which kind of came into bogue . And then I changed my workouts a little bit. Instead of doing that as I got older, instead of doing the heavy weights really slow, like a deep squat, I started doing up much more bandwork that was more elastic and a little bit quick er . So those were probably the major changes. What kind of period from the time your elbow was hurting you to the time where it was like, I can't feel anything when I'm frying out days. You're joking. Ian, Fias I had been in pain for ten years . And then after this, I tear my ACL in two thousand eight . And actually, I'll give you another example . Have you guys ever had groin problems? Yes or her nia like her thenia like an adductor . Okay, same thing. In two thousand six , my groin was hurting. I was doing a lot of single leg squats in the gym, which creating a lot of density in my adductors. And as quarterback, you move laterally a lot. It's not a lot of straight ahead sprinting. It's more shuffling with your feet. You're dropping back, you're crossing over. So there was just a lot of tension on my adductors. And I was doing a lot of weightlifting because I was told . I So go to the after the season, I go and I tell the doctor, you know, my groin's just really sore all the time. Like every time I move, I can feel it, just grab. And he says, and that wasn't, I was working with Alex a lot. We had developed a relationship over three years , but I go to the team doctor and he says, Well, this is what we're going to do. We're going to do an adductor release. So we're going to go in there. We're going to cut the adductor tendon in your groin. And while we're in there, we're going to cut the other side as well. So it never becomes a problem. And I was like, okay, that sounds not like what I want to do. Yeah. So I called Alex. When I left the office, he was out in California's where he was living at the time. He would fly in to see me two days every other week. And I said, Alex , I have this the doctor told me to do this adductor release. What do you think? He goes, absolutely not . Just fly out here to LA for with me for three days and I'll fix it. Fly out there. We worked on adductors, we lengthened and softened both adductor both adductor muscles , my hips , all my glutes, and basically relieve the tension on the tendon. Was it painful to do? Yeah, it's I mean, when you have a tight muscle, you have a tight hamstring and someone starts working on a hamstring, it doesn't feel very good . But it gets to the point where after you do it long enough, it does start to feel good. There's a lot of relief to the relaxation of the muscle. So I worked on he worked on the adductors and then three days later, no more pain. The doctor said's, a n There ninetyine percent chance that I'm going to have to cut your adductor tenon at some point and to this day nothing. The club here were you visiting different people in the coach below check? What were you happy with you seeking kind of it was hard, you know? Again, it's hard for these coaches to feel like they're not in total control of everybody. I'm sure Alex Ferguson wanted to be in control of everything. Now still does still . I bet he does. I bet he does. Yeah. And that's probably a great quality for a coach, but it's also a little bit of a destructive quality for a coach too. What was Bellach like Tom in that in that sense? Was he? No, he was good with me. At times I think he definitely wanted to be more in control because especially when you're successful as a coach , a lot of people tell you how great you are and he was great. There was nobody better in the history of American football than Bill Belichick as a coach. There was nobody I'd rather play for than Bill Belich ick as a head coach. It doesn't matter I was a great quarterback. I wasn't right all the time . I made a lot of mistakes. I threw a lot of interceptions. The working relationship we had was always great. He pushed me. I pushed him . There were some things he didn't like about what I did. There were some things I didn't like about the way he did. But that's life, that's relationships. Sometimes, you know, you have relationships where not everything's perfect one hundred percent time. They were right about ninety five percent of the time with Bellichek. And like I said, he was so good. Now when it came to certain points with, you know, Tom's getting certain types of treatments and he was it confused him a little bit, but it was never to the point where it , you know, bothered us down here. Yeah. Who made the calls, Tom on the pitch in the big moments? You or him. If you're sort of the dynamic, the manager in a football team in England, they would pick the system, they would make the substitutions, but you're out there on the pitch in the big moments that you're talking about. You've had so many of them. Who's making those big calls between you and him? So who has that control at that point? It's a little both. And I think the end of the day when there's no body more and I think this is probably pretty probably the right way in European football as well in American football, I think there's nobody more important to winning a game Monday through Saturday than the head coach . He is the most important person in the organization , preparing the team , holding people accountable , getting the players to perform on a high level. On game day , there's nobody more important to winning than the quarterback. Now everybody's important on the field on Sunday, the kickers, the punters, the lineman, the D linemen, but the quarterback touches the ball in every play . So if your quarterback plays better than their quarterback, you have a ninety percent chance of winning . The coach can't do much on game day. He's done his work Monday through Saturday, so there's always an argument that people talk about in American football, who was it? The coach or the quarterback? And the reality is you need both . You need both to be exceptional. If there's thirty two teams in a league, if you want to be successful over a period of time, you better have a top five quarterback and a top five head coach at the same time. If you have a top five quarterback and a top twenty head coach, you're not going to be successful. That coach is probably going to be fired. If you got a top five coach and a twentieth best quarterback, you're not going to be successful and they're going to fire the coach. And once you start firing coaches, which I always think is interesting and I'd love to learn from you guys. Why do you fire so many coaches all the time? Todden had three coaches here. Why is everyone firing everybody? Don't they realize the play ers play? I'm sure if you have Leo Messi as your as your as one of your forwards, one of your strikers, that would help. You're not going to lose them. No. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's like all of a sudden we're like, oh no, the coach is responsible for every bits of winning and losing when to me, the players on the pitch or the players on the football field are incredibly important to winning. But at the same time, I would say American football and again, you guys can educate . There's it's a very tactical game. There's set plays every play. Every play is a set piece. So if your set pieces are better than theirs, you're at a big difference. Thank you Tom. Yeah, I'm Qomub. Arsenal fan. They've got one league through set. They made it phenomenal. Tom is interesting . Thank you. We're going to come on to that because I remember you talking to me a couple of years ago and you said that it's a series of set pieces in American football and English football or soccer is more erratic. It's a bit more free. But Arsenal have got obviously American ownership with the Kronki family, obviously. And obviously this season they've just won the Premier League title, which is incredible and well done to it. Thank you very much. They've won it and they've been criticized quite a lot for their set piece excellence, really. Yeah you said, I remember you saying to me, it's a game of set pieces. Does it frustrate you when you watch English football and think that it needs to be more organized? Because your discipline in your game is everything , isn't it in the NFL? The discipline in the NFL is, you know , it's very complex American football. Like if you were to see the books that I had to prepare for a game and they were this thick . Were you preparing those books? The coaches were preparing them. I was taking notes. I was exchanging information. They would give me a lot of plays they like. I would look at them. I'd say let's change that. Let's give them back. What do you think about these? And we worked together for six days to put together a real plan. If our plan was great, well we just need to go execute the plan. If our plan was poor or generic , it was a lot for the players to overcome . I always felt like on our teams we had really good plans. Now we weren't right all the time. We're right more than basically anybody else. Tactically, we were better on offense and defense than ninety five percent of the time. So if our execution was up to the standards of our tactics, we would win. So it's just different. When I look at soccer, I look at hockey . You know, these games flow in basketball . You know, so to me the spectacular players make a huge difference because Ronaldo Messium is Laton . They make a huge difference in the ability for the team to get the ball in the back of the net. When I watch the games, I'm like, God, it seems so hard to get the ball in the back of the net. You know, and then when you watch like Holland, it's like he plays his vertical game and every time the ball sent into the middle of the box the ball gets in the goal. So at some point you got to figure out how to get the ball in the back of the goal. But if there's a lot of defenders back there , you're going to need a lot of height unless you create some counterattack where there's more space and you can make a run . So again, you guys know the tactics a lot better than me. I mean, you tell me is the players or the coaching or the not the let's not call the coaching, the tactics of soccer , how important are they for the team set compared to the skill of the players? Well, it's still a hard dispatch this football score of a goal. Obviously , he said there's not many goals in it. Coaches are very tactical now. You mentioned managers. A lot of managers know going to games very defensively they're frightened of losing their jobs, you lose three, four games in England, you're going to get the sacked. Then there's another battle. Everyone looks at PEP Bard alli the people want to play like PEP . So it's difficult. You need top players, you mentioned Harlan, but there's very few of them around. Yeah. Why do you go scores is still the hardest part, isn't it? Yeah, I think the main thing is that like now you feel even with PEP and the way they play it seems very tactical. It seems very there doesn't seem to be like for a player like myself, a lot of like individuality kind of like instinctive stuff you have to be in the right place for that person to be able to come across. And I'd find it probably very difficult to play in this time simply because it does feel very logical. It does. It does feel like that one. It's not flowing as much. It doesn't feel like it's flowing as much. And I do like, like I say, you watch the World Cup at the moment and you're just seeing things even like Messi's actually every day of flow and everything and then the score. It just feels a little bit more England in the US Yeah, England in the US and the US have two teams who have been a little bit free, I think. Just felt like you can just feel the fluidity of it. It feels like it's flowing. And I think a football match is always better when a player can be in especially in the last third and then you can just be. It just feels like mentioned Aston. Astonhon had w the league brilliant achievement, but they're getting heavily criticized for their set pieces. Whereas when you talk about American football, the special teams if they produce a big moment , which they do, everyone gets excited going what a job you've done whereas in England, there's still that element of set pieces. It's a bit figuring it. It's the perception. Yeah, it's a bit boring. That's the way it looks. The thing is if you win set pieces every game, if your set pieces are better than theirs. That's a massive Arsenal have done. If your set pieces are worse than the other team every game, you're at a huge disadvantage. Same in American football. We would play on special teams and like Bill Belichick great a great I think he's the greatest head coach ever. I think he's the greatest def ensive coach ever and I think he's the greatest special teams coach ever. He would coach special teams and he came up as a special teams coach. We would win special teams almost every week. It was a great feeling as a quarterback knowing that whenever we kicked the ball we were gaining an advantage. So as a quarterback, I don't need to force the ball all the time. I know that if we punt, we're going to change field position. I know that if we get it down there close enough, we're going to make the field goal. I know that on our kickoff returns, we're going to have a chance to score or get us good field position where we could start our drives . There's other teams that special teams is an afterthought and now I'm the quarterback sitting there and the balls we kick the ball off to the other team and they run it back ninety yards for touchdown. I'm like now I got to run it back out on the field down seven points and I got to drive the team on twelve play drive to go all the way down the field to tie the game . So it's a very deflating aspect of the sport is when your special teams are a liability. I think if you make it something that's a true asset to what you're doing, you gain a huge advantage every single time you take the challenge must be. You know what American football? When you're so far away and you got like fifty fifty odd seconds, you've got to try and get a touchdown and I hear all the commentators someone's got to get out of the play. That must be so challenging, is it for a quarterback? Yeah, to get up the pitch but you're keeping an eye on the clock as well. You might have one or two times out. I love that multitasking. Yes. Is that obviously your biggest challenge at that moment in a big game? It's a great feeling because you won a lot of your superbowls even it's been like one or two scores and it's been tight a lot of times all of them have the ten. So my first nine Super Bowls I played in all came down to the last drive of the game. Wow. The last Super Bowl against Kansas City Chiefs and we finally blew them out, which was amazing feeling like five minutes left in the game when you feel like we got this one. Yeah . But every other game came down to either us scoring to try to win or the other team scoring to try to win . And there's just small margins of error. But I always preferred to have the ball in those situations than to see the other team with the ball. I'd rather have the ball with us trying to drive the ball down the field. And it's a really unique position for the quarterback at that time because essentially the co,aches are very un ortimpant at that time. It's all about the quarterbacks decision making and but did you love that pressure or that love ? Is that your greatness? You thought this is where I come alive. Yeah, and I thought it was like , you know, quarterbacks are always defined by how they perform in a clutch and how they perform in the big moments. So I kind of realized like it was almost like a shift in my mind, a paradigm shift where you could look at that situation and be like, shit, man , we're losing . And the defense couldn't stop and now I got to go out there and I got to go down there and drive the middle game. Or you could say, hey, this is exactly what I wanted. Give me the ball and if we go down and score, I get to be the hero today. And I think that little shift in your mind as an athlete is really important. You could look at it as like this is a negative or this is a positive. And when you make it a positive, you can see on the quarterbacks faces who really enjoys those who want to sit. And you just see there's a poise of composure that there's no panic, he's totally in control and that he feels confident that he can go down the field because of his decisions, his play calls, his accuracy to go win the game under chemistry would you have certain receivers I'm going to him. Oh yeah and I would tell him like there's only so much, you know, in football where you know they 're the field stays the same forever. They can only defend so much. If you know, Dan Marino, who's a great quarterback for the Miami Delves used to say, can't guard a perfect throw . You know, it's almost like if you make a great strike on a ball and it's in the upper nineties. I mean, look, if you just hit it perfectly , I in those moments felt like I was so focused and concentrated I could make the best throws I could make in those situations . When there was total freedom to play and make the throws, I felt like you're going to come alive . This episode of Sticker Football is brought to you by Skybett You win three Super Bowls, I think in your first four or five years and then you don't win one for is it ten years? ten years . What's tongue like that doesn't win? When you know, I'm just trying to imagine angry for that long. What do you like when you go home? What do you like when you don't win? What do you like when you and why did you stay for that long? Why did you continue to stay there They were really good still. You still good. Yeah. But we want to get an offers dot Tom, where you get with people trying to come take you away. Oh, yeah. And I think our I think our Patriot teams had really two great generational runs. There was a twenty year dynasty, but I think there was really like two ten year dynasties . The first run that we had was kind of one group of players , and then we kind of transitioned and transformed into a second group of players that both had tremendous winning achievements . And we won three Super Bowls in my first four years I played. In two thousand seven we, were undefeated . You know, we had the probably the greatest football team ever. We lost to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl on some incredible plays the giants made. One is called the helmet catch. A guy Eli Manning threw the ball in the middle of the field, drag jumped up, guy who never heard of , caught the ball, stuck it to the back of his helmet , fell backward , landed on the ground, controlled the ball on his helmet, had his other hand locked up and end theyed up scoring a touchdown and we lost the game. We would have been nineteen and we'd have been considered, I think, the greatest football team ever. We lost that year. That was the most brutal loss of my entire career . And then two thousand eight, I tore my ACL . It was a tough year. two thousand nine was probably the worst year we had at the Patriots. We were not very good. twenty ten, we had one of the great years we lost in the first round of the playoffs. We were fourteen and two . twenty eleven we went back to the Super Bowl and lost to the Giants again and we had a I think we had a lead in the fourth quarter and we lost that game. We blew it . twenty twelve we were in the game before the Super Bowl. twenty thirteen we were in the game before the Super Bowl. So we were blocked on the door every time. Yeah. Then twenty fourteen, the Seattle game, it felt like, oh, here we go again. They got the ball down to the one yard line. Malcolm Butler makes interception and we win instead of losing. And then twenty fifteen, we were in the game before the Super Bowl lost to Peyton Manny. They won the Super Bowl. twenty sixteen, we won the Super Bowl, twenty seventeen, we were in theper Su Bowl and lost. twenty eighteen, we won the Super Bowl. So we had just yeah so he suddenly questioned Gary really wasn't it? No, it wasn't. It was just meaningful what really is an advantage. We were compet e never yeah, we were competing and we had tremendous continuity in our program . We had continuity with players, we have continued with coaches . Continuity is the most underrated in sports. I think when you have the same coaches and same the players, you can get really good at the nuances of the game. I think when you decide to change people , you change them midyear , it's there's no accountability at that point. The players feel like, well, you know, we run the system, we run the show. Like a new coach that comes, I always like it to like the audiovisual guy. They come in your house and one group installs the TV's and then they suck at it. So you're like, Oh, I got to get a new audiovisual guy. And this guy comes in and goes, well, they wired everything the wrong way. You know, everything's wired. I can't, I gotta fix everything . And you're like, hold on, it's such an easy thing to blame the person because that's not in the room. Yeah . You know, you fire someone, all the coaches are sitting there going, well, yeah, it was the guy who's not here anymore. It was his fault for all this night. I've never done that sound Either way . So I think if you keep the accountability, and what, you know, do players in today's age in soccer, do they still want to be held accountable to an Alex Ferguson who's saying, You're not doing good enough, you're not prepared. You're not working hard enough. I need you to train harder. I need you to care more. I need you to take better care of your body. Are players still responsive to that? Not as much. You should be not as much. I mean, were you like that with your teammates, Tom, were you demanding of your teammates? Oh yeah. But was you bossed up when you were like losing up on somebody's big games. Would it be bus ups in the dressing with players? No, no . Your I think because we all realized how hard it was to get to where we were getting to. Right. But I think that's sacked a few times. Would you be looking at my yeah, let's go wake the fuck up? Yes, let's go and what the fuck we doing? Like why are we fucking up ? And then let's fix it and play harder, play better, get more intensity, get more urgency. Let's go. And I think when you're best player is someone that every day is getting you going, getting you going, getting you going. Yeah. If you came in here and you're like, all right, what are we doing today? Who's prepared? Who's not? Well no one has to really be prepared. But if I came in there with energy, enthusiasm, urgency, we don't fuck that play up. We don't mess one up. Come on, let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Well, other guys, they know when they walk in the building in the morning they better be ready to go. Yeah. So I can't be out at eleven o'clock at night if I know that Tommy's in there the next morning . So that accountability from a player means a lot to an organization. I think when you have players that like ao Kbe Brad, that's what Kobe Kobe Michael Jordan. I mean all you can go Steph Curry . You can't have a dove day. You know, you have to get great environment, you need a great environment . And that environment lifts everybody. And even for the people that don't want to be pushed that hard, it actually drags them alone. Drags along. Yeah. Tom I've listened to you quite a bit. And did you ever lose your confidence? What was your what was a point in your career where you just felt like you didn't want you said before you want the you wanted the ball in hands in the big moment. Yeah. But was at a point where you went under a little bit where you lost confidence? In college in college? In college. Yeah . Because I wasn't the best , I had to develop a lot of confidence in myself and I looked at I went to Michigan. There's a great program . I had a very challenging five years at Michigan where I was growing into the athlete that I wanted to be. And I would very much make a lot of excuses why I wasn't performing at my best. And there was a sports psychologist there named Greg Harden, and Greg said to me, he called me into his office and he was a great asset to the organization. Unfortunately, Greg passed away about a year ago. He was a sports psychologist. Yeah. And he said, Why don't you quit bitching about all the things you're not getting? And how about you do the best with whatever opportunities you get? You know, stop worrying about what the other quarterback's getting, stop worrying about what the coach is saying to you. Every time you get in there , you bring the juice, you bring the energy, you bring the enthusiasm. You treat practice like a game . Because if you just decide to go out there and you're blaming everybody else, where does that get you? So I started to change my attitude and I didn't have a lot of confidence in myself. And when you don't have a lot of confidence in stuff, you blame other people. And then all of a sudden, you gain confidence in yourself , you start pointing the finger at yourself. And I would encourage every athlete to look in the mirror after every day of practice of game and say, What can I do better to help the team? What can I do better? Not what does the coach need to do better? What does my teammates need to do better? What do I need to do better? And if you show up every day with that attitude , every player will , and every player does that, you're going to have an incredible team. So I through college it was hard and I had to change my attitude and when I started performing better because my attitude was better, I started gaining more confidence. You can't have a false confidence. And you don't only gain your confidence because of your physical ability. You gain your confidence because you're prepared, because you're competitive. And then you see those things start to transform into better performance on a daily basis . When I got to the pros , a lot of people never had those challenging adversities. They just felt like, well, if I show up, I'm better than everybody. Yes. So all you have to do is show up. Well, I didn't have that ability . I couldn't just show up and be a better body. I had to show up prepared. I had to show up with energy. I had to show up with my body feeling right. I had to show up like I was on a mission. So then when I got to the pros, everyone's like, Who the fuck's this guy? That helped that you were drafted so late was there less pressure on you Yeah, that first year, I was drafted late so there was no fan expectation . You know, I was really under the radar on my first year . I got to train and develop my body through my first year. And then when I got my chance, I always said, If they ever give me a chance, they're never going to take me off the field. Because I had learned through college that I needed to be the most competitive. I had to be the most urgent. I had to be like a coach on the field. Then all the players started really respecting that. When especially because the Patriots were one of the losest organizations in the NFL before I got there . Then all the players who were there, they saw me come in and they're like, Hey , you keep it up. I like what you're doing. Just don't let anyone change you. You keep going . And I had little veteran players that came up to me that was like, we had we don't have this right now. And this guy's bringing he's making us all better because the way he's showing up . And that's what I that's what you call culture . You know, I think people that are culture dri vers, they drive the culture . You need culture drivers on a team. And culture is about values. What values does Gary have? What values does Ian have? What values does Roy have? Are your values work eth ic, preparation, caring about your teammates, discipline ? If you have those values and you have all of us, well that creates a culture. So I brought a different values that the team had seen, players that felt similar to me began to adopt those . And then we transformed, I would say, a losing culture to a winning culture, along with our coaches, along with a lot of other players on our team, Teddy Brucey, William Me. I mean, I could name twenty guys that were kind of like me but had not had a chance to realize. It was a good time for you. Your time had gone in there . They were just a bit tired of a bit flat and you broke up. Exactly. And when they came in, it was like , oh man . And then we started winning. And then the great part about winning is it reinforces the behaviors. People realize that if I make the investment of time and energy and if I change my attitude, if I don't go out at night, if I don't party as much, you mean we win ? Oh, well, there's an investment that pays off. Yeah. If I begin to do the right things and it pays off, well, then everybody wins. I think the hard part is when you're a coach or you're someone trying to change a culture. I'm telling you, Roy and Derry, let's not go out, let's study. And then you lose. Everyone's like, why did we do that? Yeah. Why don't we just go and have fun? So the challenging part is if you try to push people to be uncomfortable and change and be better and you don't get the results , it's very hard for people to stick to those . Because most people aren't very self motivated . You were, you were, you were. You woke up every day going, God, what I got to do? How can I be better? And you brought that every day, which is why you look at your career and you're probably so satisfied with what you accomplished. But a lot of people, I think they leave a lot out there . I think most people probably only accomplish fifty percent of what they're capable of, because they're not in that environment that pushes them to be successful. So how can we create environments for people to be successful? You need accountab . But why are so many organizations and teams in England and sports teams all over the world suffering? Because it sounds easy, doesn't it? What you're saying in that environment? But a lot of teams don't have it. Yeah, they don't have it. High performing environments are hard and they're hard because there's a degree of being uncomfortable every day . When Alex Ferguson showed up , you were uncomfortable when he walked in the room because he had a perfection about the way that he expected you to perform. When Bill Belich walked in the room, everyone sat up . Because they didn't want to be called out for being shitty on the field. They didn't do their job well. And there was going to be a coach that said , I told you what to do . What do you not do? Where's the effort? Why are you not running on that play? And you're in there and all front of all your friends and most guys just want to they want to be really comfortable. I think you know in the NFL we play mostly on Sundays , most organizations want everyone to be happy and comfortable Monday through Saturday and everyone's happy and everyone's gonna be good. And then on Sunday you go and you get your ass kicked . And then everyone's uncomfortable . But then Monday through Saturday, everyone's happy again because oh it's a new week . Bella check made Monday through Saturday uncomfortable . Every day was hard . So that Sunday everyone won, and we were all happy that we won on Sunday , which is ultimately what we should be. Did he ever go to Utah? Did he ever was he ever calling you out? Was he ever ? Yeah, he was. Oh yeah.. Absolutely Did he say do your job once or something famous like a face? Is that famous? Is that was his mantra for twenty years. He said do your fucking job is what he said. Oh, I love that line. Yeah. And he said that fucking into it right . Exactly. All of that. And he said no one else can do it for you. You have to do it. If this is your job, there's no one else that has that job. You have that job, you need to do it. Don't worry about everyone else's job. Do your job. So that was just his matcher. Look, if you were the running back coach , you coach the running backs to the best your ability. If you were the quarterback, you do that. So the standard was the standard was perfection . We settled for excellence and excellence was good enough to win seventy five percent of the time. We didn't win fifty percent of the time. We won seventy five percent of the time. But the difference between winning seventy five percent of the time and winning fifty percent of the time is an entirely different level of accountability of discipline work ethic. We had a cartoon Tony Adams and like, you know, people shouting just before they go. And I remember Tony used to say that just before you go out, you'd get really angry and scream at it. Just do your effing jobs. You know exactly what you do your enjoy. And it's one of those kind of jokes you into, you know, make sure let me make sure that first one sticks on make sure it hits the tar. And that was I remember that he said that nearly every time at some stage but then there'd be times where he said with real venom . Yeah. Like, you know, he's don't want to hit a shit, just do your jobs. You know what your jobs are Yeah , that's quite interesting. Yeah. I think it just creates the urgency that people need to , you know, like a you know, we always look at like the military and there's such like a correlation to sports a lot because you know, everyone wears uniforms and everyone's treated the same way and you have a drill sergeant who's the coach and then you have a mission and you got to go accomplish that and it's dangerous and I think there's a lot of ways like human behavior , we do perform pretty well in those environments, you know, but again, in sports , especially now because of these phones and everybody has social followings and everybody can tweet something and everybody can express their own belief , I think that creates not necessarily the team environment. Because the team environment, when you subscribe to a team and you come on my team , a good teammate to me says how do I not let down my other teammates and how do I put my individual goals behind the team goals ? But I think when you have a social media following or you have a contract or money, everyone in your life tells you, what do you get first as opposed to do the team goals come first and do your teammates come first? And I think the best teams, like I watch some ofed these teams like Argentina. They play so well together as a team. Even the other night, you know, it's like you could tell Messi's that guy incredible. I mean, he's , you know, argues like the best player to ever play theed game. But it's not like every ball goes to him. They the ball goes around and when it comes to him, he's got a shot you doesn't like it, he puts the ball to someone else . They all celebrate together. They look like a team, you know, and there's other teams that don't quite look like a team . It looks like they try to get to the star player all the time and then they will do anything to win Argentina. Argentino doing a do it . This episode of Sticker Football is brought to you by Skyburn . Tommy, you were under ninety ninth pick, but you've just for the raiders had the first draft pick. Yeah. Fernando Fernando Mendoza? Yeah. The Raiders. Yeah. What did I say? Yeah. He said the Raider. The raiders . I thought I said you did good. Okay, no, thank you thank you on Prayer. You've done really well. So the race you can read a high achiever . Your one hundred ninety ninth pick. You've just drafted the first pick. Yeah. Is that is that the opposite of you said that you actually worked for you because it took the pressure off you? Yeah. It's the pressure now on this ladies how's he cope with that? How'd you help him? A lot of pressure and a lot of mentoring and I always have a lot of there was another guy who's one of my favorite quarterbacks to ever play Payton Manning. Payton was my age, a little older than me . He was the first overall pick. Was he? And he had tremendous amount of expectation . And he was like the first prospect out of high school to go to college. So his dad was a great player in the pros . So even through high school everyone knew about Peyton Manning . Then he gets recruited to University of Tennessee, great football school . All this hoop law around him he delivers . He's the number one overall pick. It's drafted by the Indianapolis Colts. Tremendous expectation around him. And what I appreciate and love about Peyton is he always outperformed his expectation . It was tremendous talent that he had to be able to do that. And you know, he was a he was very much like me, process oriented, tough , disciplined, driven , accountable . And I'd say that path is harder than the path that I took. My path was challeng ing in different ways. Peyton, if he failed, everyone saw it right away. Yeah . And he had to take that on and he superseded all those expectations because of his will and determin ation. And I love that about him. So Fernando who we chose, he's got that same expectation. Now, fortunately he has me there to help mentor him. And look, at the end of the day, there's only so much you can do for him. Yeah . And at the same time, you know, Roy, whether you're on the field , whoever you're on the field with you just need them to play well. It's not like you are passing the ball to someone going, hey, that guy's the eight point two rated guy and that's the seven point who's ever out there is out there. Yes. Yeah. No one cares. And what's your advice to him, Tom? What's your advice? Well, have you been speaking to him regularly? Yeah, I talk to him all the time . And a lot of times I ask questions about what he needs in terms of his development. And again, I see it as three different buckets. There's a physical development , the actual skill throwing the football dropping, how you're training, how you're eating , all the physical parts. There's the mental part. What do you know about the plans? What do you know about all the plays, your reads, your drops, your footwork, the strategy, how can I teach you and develop you all the tool kits you're going to need to get us in the right place. And then the emotional part is I think always the touchy part about sports and athletes . You know, the emotional part of all of us that one day we perform great and the next day it's still the same guy. We still are smart but emotionally we just don't feel that good today. Why not? You know, why can't we repeat great performance every day? So the emotional part is there's an emotional volatility to all of us. And I think the more you can minimize that, the better you. Why did you pick him? Because you mentioned when you were drafted, obviously people probably like scouting, people focus on what you couldn't do maybe instead of going. No, let's focus on the potential obviously . Sure. What do you see in this guy? Do you think ? I know you said there's a few things mixed with there's something that you're gut feeling going like Jordan, the great movie about Michael Jordan taking risks happy to take the pressure on the last second of every kind of game that he 's involved in. What have you seen in this guy you thought? And I'm sure there's other people involved in the decision making. But is there one thing you looked at you and let's go for this kid? It was great and I think we're very fortunate on our team to have that first overall pick this year. I think over the scouting process since the college season ended, he did an incredible job of making it very clear to everyone that he was the best prospect for the next level. And it's certainly we're at a place on our team where we needed a quarterback. So he was the most developed prospect and the best quarterback this year. It was very natural for us to select him. But once you're selected, it doesn't matter. Now you're just a member of the team . Now you have to develop him. And I think most people and there are probably a lot of fans , they think just because you get a player on the team, well now he's going to be great. No, there's a lot of development that still needs to happen. Like I said, my first year I got drafted one ninety nine . By my second year, it didn't matter where I was drafted. Now, fuck I was gonna go kick ass . So like to me, I don't give a shit you're the first round. Guess what? As one hundred and ninety ninth pick, I loved beating the first round picks. Put another quarter. I'd love you how good was that guy in college? I'm going to kick his ass next. I wasn't first picked Tom. You were. No, I wasn't first. That's right. I know. I think we like each other a lot. I mean, I like you a lot because I think you always had between ears. And I think you were a great team player and you had tremendous ability to, you know, bring the whole locker room together and say kind of filled void where Tom is very self deprecated. Brings himself down. But I think the part is there's a lot of really important people that always when one plus one equals three with certain players, you know, and you lift everybody up by your style of play and humility, work ethic, I think create the best team environment for people to succeed. Not to mention you're a great player. I'm going to ask you what's the expectation of the raiders this year? What would be what you expecting? Are you expecting good things or is the I'm expecting I would expect a lot of improvement from where it's been. I mean last year it's we were we just underperformed in every area and it's everybody's fault. That's the reality. There's nobody who did a good job. There's not one player in the organization. There's not anybody involved that did the job to the level that needs to be done at. And everybody needs to improve. And it starts with me and it filters down to the rest of the players on the field, and they got to go out there and ultimately they got to perform at a high level. But would that be win five, six, seven games, playoffs? Or is that all a bit you think improvement? Just a massive improvement. A massive improvement. And I would expect daily improvement. And I would expect hourly improvement. I really would. Every day that goes by, when you're on a good team, every day and every week goes by, you should be better. Like a good team should be better at the end of the season than the beginning of the season or you're not a good team. Right. If you have more time together and more practice and you're getting worse, something's wrong. If you have more time more practice, you should be gaming right now, the problem is off season, you change players, you change coaches, and now you've got to rebuild to where you were. Like a lot of the teams I played on, the best game we played all season was the last game of the year . That says to me a lot about what the team's all about. Yeah, peak at the right times at the right time Berman . I'm guessing no. I want to mention Tampa. Yes. You obviously win a lot, obviously at the Patriots , but then to sort of what would be rid this myth that you only won because ridicul ous and belled, you go to Tampa and you win the super is that your greatest achievement there? Would you see that as your greatest achievement winning super b aowl somewhere else? Yeah, I think it was icing on the cake because I mean my I was blessed. I had so many great teammates and part of so many winning teams. It was I mean I would never change anything about my career. That was that was I had so much fun in Tampa. I could not imagine ending my career and not having the experience in Tampa to play there three seasons, to go to a different conference because the NFL has two conferences, an American football conference and a national football football conference. For twenty years, I played in the AFC. Three years in the NFC . I went to a warm weather state in Florida. I played in a cold weather state in the Northeast . And then I played it was much more of a passing environment and I love that. And I played with some of the greatest players I ever played with. It was a magical experience. And I learned a lot because I learned that what we did at the Patriots was really unique to. What we had developed over twenty years was awesome. And then I got to see another place where I was kind of like, this is different and I could take the good things I learned from New England , try to apply them in another place, see the success. Now I'm involved in the Raiders. Now how do I recreate the success that I was able to have with even a different team, but in a different role? So it was great learning for me . This episode of Spicked Football is brought to you by Skybett . Tell me you enjoying Booming. Are you enjoying the football? Are you enjoying that side of it? Or is it frustrating for is it like? No, I love it. I love the competition . We had our first year season was terrible. We changed there were four different manager changes. I spoke about how I feel about that. We hired a really good manager in our second year Chris Davis were in League one. We had an awesome season and then the championship is tough . And we got to the championship this year. A lot of change in player, the quality of the player, I think, has been better . We just could never quite get on a run with the right moment in this year is tough. It's really tough league. It's a tough league and you know, it's just those environments are tough. And you got to put together like what Coventry did this year was amazing Obviously great playing. They scored so many goals. Talk about they made it look easy to do here . But it was just a it's a tough league. And, you know, again, I think I really I watched a lot of premier league, you know, every Saturday I got it on TV. I'm watching as many games as I can. It's just, I love sports and I love the competition. And I love seeing players perform at the highest level. Sorry, Stop. No. I was going to say which quarterbacks are which quarterbacks do you love watching now? I love watching all of them for probably for different reasons. I love watching Patrick Mahomes and Matthew . Yeah. Yes They're just tremendous. Jared Goff, I like watching . Very different player than me, but Lamar Jackson he was I don't know how he does it. It's incredible. Josh Allen, I love watching Josh Allen play . I love watching Joe Burrow play. There's a lot of guys who do it. I used to love Eli Mannin. Really? I hated the way I did anything. You know, there's a real shyness and a real kind of like introvert kind of energy about him, which is really quite nice, especially when you know the family and where he's come from, but he had a real nice kind of like don't even want to look you in the eye kind of See your nemesis? Was he like the sort of like the New York Giants office they beat you twice? Yeah, was he like the sort of the rivalry? They had, I mean , 'cause he later you . You want to actually have a really fun relationship. And I take nothing away from what they accomplished . And on the two games we played them in the Super Bowl, they played better than we did . Bullets , but we played consistently better than them always , but then they were just come with a game and they just that particularly swear to God. Some gays they would play so bad and I'd be like and then they and then they would see our little patriot helmets come on the field and they would turn in incredible and that's like Roy. It's like when you unbelievable. In the FA Cup like someone plays against United and they're playing in the second division, they beat you all sudden the next week they lose against someone . Exactly. And they were, you know, the giants have had a great franchise too. And like defensively, they were great. And Eli's Eli to his credit in those Super Bowls played great football. He played a couple of his best games in the big. And remember what you're talking about someone look his brother is, you know, look, I know. This is what I'm saying. This is why I'm saying when you look at his they have a nephew now that's going to be the first overall probably one of the top quarterbacks taking the University of Texas. I'm now incredible. I'm bad the dad, the two brothers and now the nephew . Arran Rodgers, where would you put him in this? Is he in the mix? Yeah , Darren. I think there's no greater passer of the football than Aaron Rodgers. It would be like someone kicking the ball. I mean it was there's certain people like you know I like Roberto Carlos the Brazilian like the way that he kicked that ball holy I mean there's certain people you're like Like you see everyone do it and then you see one person throw the ball that much better . I mean Aaron Rogers was incredible. He's hard to put into words what how incredible he passes the ball . The ball, the way it comes out of his hand , the way that it spins and delivers with the pace and with the accuracy , I think there's a bullet coming out of the second bullet. There's only probably three people in the history of the NFL that could do it like him. Yeah. What if you made the World Cup? You entered the Brazil Morocco game. Yeah, you enjoy it. Great family. Great time. Brad. I had all three of my kids. Yeah. And I sat with my buddy Michael Rubin who',s a great buddy of mine. We're going to be at the World Cup final together here in New Jersey . But I love watching Brazil soccer. I always grew up in the probably, I was always a soccer fan. My middle sister played. We all play growing up But I love the Brazilian national team. And I loved watching Ronaldo, the original Ronaldo play . And he was so you guys probably played against him a bunch. I mean, what a player. And then I just love watching that team. I had two Brazilian kids. So we were all cheering them on. Brilliant child. I don't know how good they're going to be. And it didn't look like it wasn't great. No, no. It was that game. It was the game . Yeah, but they might they'll get better, I think. Yeah, yeah, as the forum goes on. Tom, we always do a little quiz at the end , right? It's not it's not on you. We've got some myth busters. Do you want to do these myth busters? . Christiana Ronaldo, so this is this true or false on Tom? Dick Cristiana Ronaldo convin Tcedom to come out of retirement . They convince me chat with him. It sounds like something that they're convinced it at that level where he could probably not convinced that come out here. Might have encouraged them to convince someone do we have to say convict like the question's convinced. I said the word convinced influence influence. Influence I'd say influence maybe. Okay .be May you ' didcause meet him at all Trafford in Yafo got a hat trick. Did he influence ? Did he influence your tongue? Did he influence you to come out of retirement now? I knew he was stronger. He's like Kazakh looks at his hands froze out. Just listen for an hour. Not a mentality of a roof. I know, but like you don't know , I've been just had a nice chat with him Yeah. You have one of the largest sports cars collections in the world .orts Sp cars are card cards, cards. Cards, cards. I'd say yeah , yeah, that's an investment I think it sounds like something yeah they do. Yeah. I'm gonna go with yeah with that one Yeah. Tom, we love your watch collection by the way we're obsessed with what cards, the cards ask for. Yes, we think have you got yeah What do you collect then? Number one card board baseball football and basketball. Big business, isn't it? Wow. Yeah, it's a great business. I went to I own sixteen shops around America. I'm going to Tomorrow to Kansas City. I'm actually gonna probably see some of the English English players . But I'm opening a shop in Kansas City tomorrow. Brilliant. Yeah. Sixth one. So I went to the Yankees. Oh, someone said, we got a card. Tom, we got a card, right? It's getting valued. This one is one of you, Tom. Did you pass that around to Tom? Tom, Roy, just pass it on to Tom is him. I don't know if it's a good one or a bad one or an indifferent one to all pretty delicious. It looked good to me. Yeah . It's one of you, Tom Love it. Let me see it sound s. It's a great card. Yeah. Okay. Day before teen I was the ASC championship game against the Colts. I just wish you've got one of those memories that remembers every match, every play. It's like ridiculous. You can see it all. Tom fell asleep in the locker room before his first Super Bowl. It's a strange thing to say, so I'm going to say maybe it's true and I don't have an spin it that he's not sorrow and I've been No but I don't have any oldest sleep. I think he like he falls. So I think for all he said the last hour in our half he was older before he's blooded. I can't call that blooded blooded blooded . I love you holding it over plattered. You have the best words. Oh yeah. I mean, your words are unbelievable. I don't know what the hell they mean though. I'm saying the power nap. I see the power nap . That's sleep a power nope. Is it true of files bad? Yeah all the way through it 's because on the job 's power It's not like using a pillow for two hours. You just having like ten minutes. So just explain obviously the NFL dress rooms are massive. They're like huge things. And how many people how many players are in there? Sixty. Right. Okay, so how would that? Where have you fallen asleep in this? Right in front of my locker. So there was a long pre game show because it was the year of nine eleven. It was February after that it was a long pre game show . We warmed up early and I came in and I was like, I want to lay down and I fell asleep for a power nap. Beautiful. Yeah, it's old champion Irish brethren right here. My eyes. I love that. What's the greatest Super Bowl halftime half time show all time? But I love watching them. Michael Jackson. So good. Michael Jackson, and can't beat that. Prince Prince and Michael Jackson, I think. Cole play with good. Great. Put on a good show, yeah. Yeah . Okay. You release Tom releasing what do you do? How do you watch this Super Bowl when you're in You're watching at midnight you're watching the midnight till three in the morning guys . Yeah . Brilliant. Incredible. It's a great show. Yeah, it's a great show. You recently released a coconut water drink called Good Nuts. You released a coconut water drink called Good Nuts. Good Nut. Yeah, good n nutut. Good . Good nut sounds quite it doesn't sound coconut. Oh, it's coconut, yeah, yeah. It sounds good not. It's a good nut. It's a good nut. Is it ? I love it. Tom's got lots of businesses. He's a proper and he doesn't even know it. What is true? I'm just gonna say it's true, yeah. Is it true? True. I'm sure. Good nut. Chocolate goodnut. Chocolate chocolate goodnut. Beautiful nut, it's good. I love it. That's for me now, chocolate goodn.'t Tom.. That's all me I shouldn't look for motion that Tomb loves the dollar. Wow, it's the business we got. Tom, you get sorry over here, by the way, that's the thing. You get called over here. We get called pundits. Yeah. You get called a lead color commentator . Is that because you're more articulate than we are? Yeah. And Tom, you pundits sound so negative. Yeah, but you stretch a lot of it actually made a lot of American soccer fans called the is Ted Lasso . Ted Lasso. I mean, that's brought so many soccer. I enjoyed it. My dad watches it. I watch it. It's amazing. My wife sells a bit. It's a magnificent show. Football's just a vehicle. Tom, your punditry contract gets released over here. I know how much. Why did they do that? I don't know. Crazy. What do your contracts look like? Tony, they're not as good as yours. They're not three hundred and seventy five million dollars, Tom I can tell you that. So crazy.' Its obviously like a beat number gal, it's like obviously the BBC they have to say what people are earning but why do people have to know why I got confidence? I don't know. People shouldn't even know that words. Why did they mean you look at every contractor earning you just go and you look at it every player and you realize but where would it end if my contract was worth that much? I'd be release that if you had I'd build your knife for four hundred dollars. It'll take me six months to do Sort of love in the game Of course it is. Tom NFL contracts were publicized as well were the OC everywhere. So what was the biggest contract you ever signed with the Patriots or with Tom? Yeah probably Probably with Tampa, I think three years. Three years, probably like twenty seven, twenty eight million a year . Nice. Yeah, so it's nineteen million. Now these guys are making fifty five million dollars. Wow. Yeah. There's quarterbacks now . Patrick Mahomes just signed an extension for look at us. Now we're talking about money. Yeah . And you think a lot of money. fifty five, sixty million dollars. Could you go back and play for a season? Now, you look fit as hell obviously. Do you think you could go back for work? Have you thought about it? Would you do it? No, no, no, no, no, this. Yeah. Finished . Unless she speaks to Ronaldo don't he? So you guys have no fun on this show. This is I can't be there paying you guys real. Tom hates being called the goat. Yeah, I'd say no. I could agree with you. I don't like it myself. He's a homeguy guy. He wasn't. He hate being called the goat. Not cool, you do. Yeah. Yeah, keep it. You are. I mean my best. Yeah . Congratulations to Robin, our ITV seven winner who scooped fifty thousand pounds by correctly predicting all of her ITV seven selections for England versus Croatia. Next time it could be you download the ITV seven app and get your predictions in now . This is basically we've got a name the seven most followed athletes on Instagram. Okay. That's a bit easy. Or is this part of our charity? I see it because I'm going to concentrate on this. We struggled so much with the other. Yeah, easy roller. Obviously Ronaldo Mercy. So Ronaldo's one. Renaldo's one. Well, it doesn't matter where they are. You look at that. Luckily Ronaldo, then they could be American. Okay, it'll definitely be America. No one. Round up there. I think Messi will be there. Messi will be in there. Messi Braid is you have to be playing at a current plane. At the plane I don't know ever they come Tom Braided. No, no, I don't know how many have you got Tom? No, no. How many of you got? Tom bringing it on there fif,teen million . It's big. No, it's not big. It's big Messi. Lucky Messers. Yeah, Messi's number two, specs must be on it. Not sure. He's only eighty. That's it only eighty, I mean it's a lot of people. But no, we comp'reared to five hundred and eight. We need the bronze bronze. The bronze James, the Bronze Bron James? Yes, number five. What was the one James? How many? One fifth Michael Jordan? Strong a bit? No, no, no, Michael winkey. Oh, Veratoly, the cricketer froze.. You're right Oh, cool. That's an amazing that Cole is number three. Why shout it in? You're making a quiz tank. Make the difference though, that's insane. There's crazy line. So there'll be another Indian cricketer on night and there a boxery. What about no boss? What about them? He lives, by the way. What about the Mahomes? Would he not be honest? Is he answer to something? No Definitely. Mahomes wouldn't have that many. No, five million. What about the main Indian creatures? Curry . What's the main? That's got a shot here. What's his name being? What was any males? Is he the cricket? Like Serena would probably be the most, right? Maybe. Rory McAroy, Rory on Gulf or Rory wait for you to lock it in. You're shooting me down without myself. I would have to be soccer players. I think Steph Curry would what would you think Steph Curry would be more than Becks would be eighty eight, I think ? Do you think Curry Better? Below that? Is he below that? Yeah . Formula One ? North Hamilton also. No. It'll be American football basketball. I don't think it'd be American football. No basketball. No, not Lewis, not losing that. Sorry, you shouldn't. I would say it'd be a focal player. It should be soccer player. Oh, no, yeah, they will. The Miniamale? Oh maybe. He's young enough. Maybe. It wouldn't be Bellingham. Islatan big on what he looks at. Vladim's big. He's big enough. Stunt Daffon's slatan is so good. There's no other bath. Maybe we go Becks, by the way. Yeah. Maybe we go David Beckham, maybe. Beckham. Unlock David Beckham. He's number seven, right? Nice one Becks. What I'm Becks. I called it. eighty seven. I've seen a few of them. It's a writing on this highlighting. It's a fighting. I brought it last night . Reheard When you were talking before about throwing the ball, Bet the way Beck's kicked a ball was similar to what you were describing before was throwing the ball. Like there's very few people can kick a ball that's perfect. He could do everything just could do everything with me. I think there's another Indian cricketer. What's the other famous Indian crisis? Tandulca. Tandulkas. Yeah. Tandula Karen , but Karen's not giving us anything. You've got three lives. You don't need anything . I want an Indian cricketer. I'm not gonna tell you. You got three lives. What about it? Yeah, Tenduca satches hard. Satchin, Tenduca? No, I think I think there's a current one that's, I don't know if he was he's not the keeper, what hat ? No, that's not happened. Justin, the real good players have unbelievable followings of Barcelona. And Bape? You think I'm Babe? Maybe I'm Bape . Maybe in Bape. Can we just say in Bape because we've got three lives? I think it's in Bape. Baha. Let's go in Bagh. Tom, you're absolutely right. Yeah. Bath . What would we do without you here, Tom? Wow. Remember in Barcelona, players got a phenomenal ball in one. You might be right Oh, it could be named Name . Junior. Neymar junior Name on it. You're correct. I'm through. You know what? You got all of it. I got old er. Messy. I renown along. The Cole one was the one . Right. I thought I'd have to give that a clue. Rikin. Why did he got two million? I don't know why he was. Hey, listen, Rik, I think Rikin got to a million on Instagram quicker than anybody in the world. I think it's like seven hours. And I'm stuck on that . Honestly, thank you so much. We've had the best time. Well, an absolute pleasure tom. Come on my brother. Yeah, lovely stuff what was the game we're talking about at breakfast when they were down? That was my game. I was watching eight down. You took eight . That's the one when I was talking to her home and I went, this is fucking done. That was the Super Bowl against the Falcon. That's the only game you've ever watched . I watched some of them. I play quarterback now. Brother. Nice. Thank you for all your time. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's a good to see you. Oh yeah.