New Leads and Ongoing Investigations

Fellllow conspiracy realist, we are inspired by a listener mail back in twenty twenty one. an enduring disturbing mystery across the Atlantic. We've always heard of the Bermuda tririangle. We have a banger episode on that live with our friends of Virgin Voyage. But I don't think we ever encountered Ireland's vanishing triangle until we heard from this conspiracy realist. Yeah, a real history mystery. The vanishing triangle led to some mysterious disappearances. But what could have cused them Let's find out. This is an IHart podcast. guuaranteed human. There was no inside those eyes. turnurn black. scared the hell out of me Eil wake up the one that saw the murder plac by Creimac and D Pipo Anthony D Pippo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unphazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said I'm not guilty. I'll take it to the grave Listen to the Devil'sQuarry in the Bone Valley feed on the iHR radio haam. podcasts wherever you get your podcasts From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know uction of IHar Brady Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My name is Noel. They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our super prodroucer, Paul Mission Control Deckent. Most importantly, you are you, you are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know Stute listeners, you'll notice that in our strange newews and Listener mail segments, we will occasionally note a topic that bears further investigation. And to be candid, you know, we work assiduously not to accidentally turn those segments into, you know a full episode. but we do keep notes We're not just blowing smoke when we say we're going to follow up on something And that brings us to today's episode. In a previous Listener mail segment, we learned of Ireland's vanishing triangle So thanks again to Kira for alerting us to this troubling tale Today, we'll be exploring a series of as of yet unexplained disappearances that have haunted nation of Ireland for decades. These cases remain unsolved, todayod Here are the facts I guess we should start with What is the vanishing triangle? There always there's so many triangles, you know, there's like the Bermuda triangle. Exactly, right? Y Your mind immediately conjures like some sort of mysterious vortex in the middle of the sea where ships get, you know, sucked down into the Great beyond. This is different. This is a geographical triangle that is Very much on land, but the vanishing tririangle specifically refers to a series of mysterious and as of yet, unsolved disappearances in Ireland that took place in the mid to late nineties, specifically between nineteen ninety three and ' ninety eight. As you'll find out in the episode, this is a very kind of small geographical location so it really taken on kind of a life of its own in the I guess lore of the region. So there is an unofficial list of disappearances that includes eight women ranging in age from seventeen to thirty nine at the time of their disappearance. So why is it called a triangle Everyone who's listening, you know that people have gone missing in Ireland prior to that date in nineteen ninety three and people have gone missing after that date in nineteen ninety eight This is specifically looking at a set of eight women. to who ranged in ages. So we're looking at younger women around seventeen. seventeen all the way up to women who were thirty nine at the time when they when they went missing. And it really, it's a triangle because it's just looking at the places where these women were last seen Really,'s that's what we're focusing on. That's why it's a triangle. And part of this goes to the editorial choice of various Irish media outlets. They used the phrase and this is not a ding on them. it is It is common and some people may even argue necessary for news organizations to find an umbrella phrase that encapsulates a series of events, people, places or things The reason they chose this phrase is because we as we said All these disappearances take place in the same rough area. If you pull up a map of Ireland now, you're looking at it, you'll see that you'll see Pay attention to the east coast, you'll see the capital, Dublin. And then if you look up, if you sort of let your eyes wander up the coast, you'll see Dundalk And then if you let your eyes wander all the way down, you'll see Wexford also there on the coast. And the way people usually think of this is, as you said, Matt, based on where Th these individuals were last seen, the furthest inland is kind of the point of our triangle here That is the disappearance of Fiona Pnder from Tolobore which we'll get into The stories of these individuals at this point. But But as you mentioned this encompasses a lot of stuff. Ururban areas, rural areas, the Wicklow Mountains We're not talking about a huge region If for example, you wanted to drive from Wexford there in the south to Dublin, it would take you about two hours So it's not, you know, it's not the best commute, but there are people who could live in Wexford and go to work in Dublin every day. There are worst commutes even here in the states A this point We need to talk about the sequence of events, the circumstances of these individuals, and keep in mind Keep in mind what we said earlier. I love the point you made, Matt. There obviously were people who went missing Before nineteen ninety three and people who went missing after nineteen ninety eight, but the eight people We will introduce you to today have never been found No bodily trace, no allegations that they contacted someone years later They simply seem to have disappeared The very first disappearance, each of these has unique distinct aspects, right? And we can't I think it's probably best to treat each one as a unique case before we try to connect them all. other than with those Three commonalities. All women. all disappearing in this eastern coast of Ireland area and all still missing today First dis spirits, Annie McCarrick went missing on march twenty sixth, nineteen ninety three She was not from Ireland. No, she wasn't. but she was you know, of Irish descent or, you know, at least Irish roots, Irish blood, and was very, very interested in exploring that on a solo trip Ireland. She was from Long Island, New York and at the time of her disappearance was living in Sandy Mount, which is a coastal suburb Dublin, she was twenty six She was last seen in the Wicklow town of Eniscary and is presumed to be dead. And it's interesting too because she was She went to Ireland by herself. She's clearly someone who is very let's say, self possessed and had kind of drive because she wanted to explore this part of her, you know heritage. And she didn't have any friends and she was known to be pretty outspoken and good at, you know, kind of never met a stranger type person, you know Yeah And with her disappearance, she was a bit far from where she lives in Senimount. where we discussed that's where she was residing at least while she was in Ireland. She was seen at a post office down in I think it's what would you say in the Sary and she may or may not have been seen at a place called Johnny Fox's pub U which is a bit further away from that area. And we tried just so everyone knows, we attempted to make a Google Eth map of all these disappearances and we're going to continue working on that after this episode, but You can It's interesting to see how far some people traveled on the day or night that they disappeared. How far they are believed to have traveled. Exactly. We very quickly get into situations where investigators have to question the credibility of some witnesses and you know, in defense of many of the witnesses involved People will tend to be honest when they say, I saw something, I saw someone. I cannot confirm But you're right with the distances because It was a dark wet night I during the time of McCarrick's disappearance and it seems odd that she would have walked What is it six kilometers? distance through that weather, you know? But That seems to be the case She was, as we said Never, never seen again. However, stay tuned because at the end of this episode, we do have some updates that may interest you I'm almost breaking news And just a few months later, On july twenty fifth, nineteen ninety three E, Brennan from Rathgar disappears She was thirty nine at the time of the disappearance And she was last she was last seen leaving her parents' house. She had gone over there and grabbed lunch with the family Interesting part of this case desespite the disappearance of Mc Harrick just a few months earlier, All The Garda did not investigate the authorities here did not investigate Brennan's disappearance for at least three months. Yeah, it wass definitely a bit weird there that they didn't do that. The problems to my understanding is that she was an adult And there was no sign of any kind of you know, break in at the house or any kind of foul play, at least initially, there was nothing that would speak to her disappearing for any reason other than she just left. And that's at least according to the authorities, that was why there was no investigation for that amount of time. But of course, as the family Knowing that your loved one is gone and this is not normal for them U that is excruciating and I can't imagine what that family must have gone through. Yeah And you hit the nail on the head there because again, it's not The process of investigation moves differently if we're talking about a thirteen year old person versus a thirty nine year old person So fast forward, a little less than a year january third nineteen ninety four twenty two year old Emelda Kenan. disisappears. She is from Mont Mlek Mount Mellek. So there there are a cou multiple witnesses who saw her walking She was last seen crossing the road at a corner of the place called the Tower Hotel in Lombard Street. This was mid afternoon. This wasn't in the middle of the night. She had left her apartment around one thirty PM, I believe. No, that's correct An really strange thing because she's, you know, we said she's from what was it Mount Melk which is quite a distance away from where she was staying with her boyfriend I think at the time, our boyfriend's name was Mark Wall and she was living, her place of residence was very close to where she was last seen there by the Tower hotel. Just a weird situation in the middle of the day And then she's gone Then we have Josephine Dollard, Jojo to her friends, who disappeared on november ninth nineteen ninety five at the age of twenty one She was living in Harold's Cross and disappeared while hitchhiking home from Dublin Um And if I'm not mistaken, she was a waitress at a nearby restaurant and had some car trouble, I believe Last was seen using a payphone, police pulled the phone records and found that she called her friend, Mary Cullinen at eleven thirty seven and ended the call just as she was about to enter this other car the driver of which remains unidentified. And with Jojo's case, there are conflicting witness stories kind of, as we mentioned with Annie's case. there's It's tough to know who's telling the truth who actually saw Joe Joe get into or get out of a car because there were a few other witnesses that came forward and there are also some K of strange reports And I don't know it' to believe or not because you know, I'm looking at sources sources like the mirror. co. uk or the mirror Irish the Irish mirror, I guess And it's just tough to know what's real or what's not, but there are some stories in there about her possibly getting into a car with two men. Um, maybe not. And There's even a story in the said mirror that we can talk about later about a GardA member that maybe knew the identity of her killer but was unable to come forward with it. Is this the one where there was also a story of someone seeing her like get out of the car and like under duress and like runs kind of from the scene because I know one of these there was an account of someone witnessing uh, one of these women like actually very violently exiting a car and then running away You know, honestly, I can't remember if that was Jojo or not. And it's also a little bit hard to discern what is hearsay and what's been kind of built into some of the folklore of these stories over the years because that's very find you can find videos online of people talking about this and the stories seem to evolve outside of what reporting exists Yeah, there are a lot of twists. Again, each of these cases is as distinct as a fingerprint. And like the driver of that car, Dollard has also never been found. fast forward, february thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven Siar Breen from Dundalk disappears at the age of seventeen sheep, this is This is different from some of the other cases because she was At her mother's house, her mother is named Bernadette. and they went to sleep And according to the mother's statement to authorities, she awoke a little bit north of two AM and decided to use the restroom And when she did, she found her daughter missing and a window propped open. This led her to believe that her daughter had stuck out with the intention coming back and there's been speculation that she was actually sneaking away because she had a a boyfriend that she didn't think her parents would approve of. further speculation that this This boyfriend may have himself been married in either case, that was the last trace of her. And we don't we don't have to get into it right now, but there was a primary suspect in that case that ends up being kind of important in connecting u to some other things, but then the leads, you know donon't really appear to go anywhere. we can jump into that later. And like you said, M she is still missing. So then let's go to the next person that went missing, Fiona Pender She was from Tulamore and she went missing on august twenty third, nineteen ninety six U she was twenty five years old And Unfortunately and terribly, she was seven months pregnant when she went missing That's pretty rough. The last confirmed sighting of her was by her boyfriend, man named John Thompson. And her boyfriend saw her leave the apartment that they shared together And There's something a bit strange with this case Ben, you've found this as well as I something happened in two thousand eight. Yes, yeah. overver at the Sleeve Bloom Way, which is. at the border of Afaly and forgive our pronunciation here, folks Lis Slaus L A O I S At that border on the sleeve Boom way People found a small wooden cross with the name Fiona Pender on it and this naturally led some people to believe that Pnder was buried somewhere in the sleeve Bloom mountains There's much more to each of these stories. Again, we're just establishing the bare bones facts here So the seventh individual grouped in the vanishing triangle is one Fiona Snot She disappeared on february eighth, nineteen ninety eight She was from Rossler, but she was living in Broadway at the time She was last publicly seen leaving a place called Butler's Pub with a guy named Sean Carroll, who was her ex boyfriend and the father of her then eleven month old daughter The authorities, of course spoke to Sean Carroll at length And know we know his rough account of the events of the night. But We should also note that he was not Just to be clear, he was not accused of having a hand in the disappearance But here's what Carol tells them He said that he was with Sin not Butler's pub. They left He walked with her back to her house. and he slept on the couch and she said she had been complaining of some pain in her upper body and her arms And so she said, look, I'm just going to go to bed straight away, call it a night And then according again to his account on the next day, Monday, february ninth, he walked into her bedroom and he found her awake. She said she was still hurting. and she wanted to hitchhike, take a ride to see a doctor later in the day He says that she had no money on her. So he gave her three pounds, I think And that was it And then she was gone And we, you know It's terrible Be we only have the story of her boyfriend at the time. It's just Her ex boyfriend, I guess and the father of her child. So you know, obviously for authorities, he's going to be suspect number one U, To our knowledge, he was never formally charged with anything dealing with Fiona's disappearance But um There's still some weird stuff because there's discrepancies in the story here There were several. There was no evidence that she'd either gone to the doctor or hitchhiked at all Also, her house had been seemingly you know, kind of rolled at stripped of notable personal belongings. There is a retired detective sergeant named Alan Bailey, who said that there was a quote complete absence of clothing and other personal items indicating that a teenage girl and her eleven month old daughter were actually living there So not necessarily looking Not necessarily the appearance that those things had been removed, more so the appearance that they never were there to begin with U and then the news started to spread of Fiona's disappearance A local farmer came out to authorities with the news that he discovered a number of black duffle bags in the corner of one of his fields And they had some pretty interestnteresting and damning contents. And just want to remind everybody here. we mentioned just a moment ago that there's no indication that a teenage girl lived there or you know a child, a baby. We should just note here that Fiona was only nineteen at the time she disappeared. to this farmer He tells investigators that he found these a number of black bags. And Inside these bags, he found items and documents that had Fiona's name written upon them So this is smmoking gun evidence, right? This this is something that builds a serious case. if it still existed because you see, unfortunately the farmer said that he had burned these bags before he realized how important they were. He thought this was heet another case of illegal dumping Right? he thought there were just people who were littering or purging their house and just throwing it to the wayside. Whichich is a shame that words have a tough time really articulating. You know what I mean? That's weird from all angles. I just want to be an investigator On the ground there You' be like, Ohh, really. okay, you burn them all. interestnteresting. Okaykay, cool. Oh really. so And you slept on the couch. I just want to interrogate everybody, Ben All right, let's go. So our last one here, eighteen year old Dar Dra Jacob She is home she was in London at the time, but she traveled home to Newbridge for the summer. and on july twenty eighth nineteen ninety eight, she disappears in in an enormously tragic way.. She is just she is like on the way to her parents house. She's very close to her parents' house. Multiple witnesses in cars saw her like within yards of her parents' driveway and she never made And no one knows what happened. or no one has come forward with knowledge of what happened, like the other seven individuals She too seems to have disappeared Some people have included additional disappearances as part of a larger pattern here, but you'll find that most official inquiries now list these eight individuals as the core the core people in question And in the decades following A multitude of authorities, journalists, authors and more have searched for answers to these haunting questions should be no surprise that theories abound So What happened We'll explore that after a word from our sponsor In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was gonna to live I was Terrified There was no hing inside those eyes. Turn black scared the hell out of me That was your first murder case. Yes ye. It's fair to say this was the bigg case your career? Yes, sir. Rape and murder of and chung twelve year old childallenge. bad as he gets. I would think so. People wake up. woman saw the murder take place by Creette and the Pipo Anthony DPipppo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unphazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said I'm not guilty. I'll take it to the grave Listen to the Dvil'sQuarry on the I Heart radio app podcast or wherever you get your podcasts And to hear the Devil's quuarry ad free with exclusive content Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts hereere's where it gets crazy. Now, peet behind the curtain, as we sometimes say, the three of us were We're working. over time to make sure we were just Putting out the facts in the beginning I because these all have a number of theories from like maybe possibly but no proof level of theories to disturbingly plausible. Would you guys say that's accurate Iothing that's extremely accurate And the big the big question here is with all of these eight disappearances, is it evenven possible that one suspect could connect all of them. or maybe a few of them Maybe most of them you know, it's not it's within the realm of possibility. But as we've just described to you before the break there, that the many of the disappearances do feel similar where there's a vanishing in you know, out of nowhere just in the middle of the day. As with Dirra there and a few others that we talked about Imelda. A few others feel a bit different and almost like they maybe shouldn't even be added on this list because they appear to have been, you know, with loved ones at the time. when they disappeared or right before they disappeared There's just some strangeness in here. But the big question is Is there any one person that connects more than one of these victims. I think the most telling connective element is the fact that none of these have any There's nobodyody. You know, and for it being such a relatively small geographical area, you know, most disappearances like this, if they were random, if they were random abductions or, you know, domestic or something like that, you would have a body. Glad that you bring that up because that's that's something that's going to come into play later. and I believe it was I believe it was in our earlier listener mail segment on this can't remember whether it made it to error guys, but There are rumors. that areas of the Wicklow Mountains are known body dumping spots for criminal element It's a tremendously unpleasant thing, but I promise you Whatever city you live in Anywhere in the world, there are always places like that. There There's areas of a place called Douglasville, which is outside the perimeter of Atlanta, which is a known dumping spot. There are areas of southwest Atlanta as well And this is not this is not to say Atlanta is any better, worse or different Places like these are around You just don't hear them talked about too often Yeah. and Kira You know, who is from Ireland. she identified that her father is someone that would say, yeah, be careful the mountain range over there. That is it's tough to even walk around in those mountains without finding a body That was the quote, I believe from her father So yeah. They exist in this area where this triangle is one of them And and we'll return to the question of remains in a moment. Let's Let's yeah, let's look at whatever connective tissue may exist outside of the circumstances of the disappearances. There is one name you will hear And you have heard this often if you are familiar with the case as of a criminal named Larry Murphy. Larry Murphy has been convicted of rape. He's also been a prominent person of interest for the disappearance the disappearances of at least three of these eight individuals, Annie McCarrick Josephine Jojo Dullard and Deirdra Jacob This is because all three vanished close to the area where he lived at the time in this mid to late nineties time frrame So lets let's learn a little bit more about him and why so many people are certain that he had some sort of involvement is very much not a good person, by the way, spoiler alert. And the dude is stinking famous in a gross way Yes. Eless, infamous, perhaps? Yeah, Well you decide. Murphy was convicted and imprisoned in two thousand one for the rape and attempted murder of a Carlo businesswoman the previous year in two thousand He was attempting to strangle her in a wooded area of the Wicklow Mountains at night when he was surprised by two hunters who happened upon the scene and took matters into their own hands. thankfully. Do you do you guys do you guys remember That story, that was the one where he had assaulted her once. M like took her out of he abducted her, assaulted her once. After he took her out of vehicle, put her back in the vehicle, drove her to another place and was doing it again. So we see a location change We also see Clear intent to murder this person. And as we mentioned in that previous episode, Murphy has claimed he is not connected to any of the eight disappearances He has been questioned multiple times It' to date The official position of the authorities is that they don't have Solid evidence linking him to a case. like they they haven't found any anything that they can really build a bedrock case on here. And there are a couple things that do seem to connect him, right he had a I think he took a job very close to one person that disappeared It was Dirra where he was a carpenter, correct Hm And that was yeah, that was over in Newbridge. I remember I remember that I don't I don't even want to like Give this guy any more I don't want to talk about it much more, but it is weird to note that in Irish publications, When this guy, Larry Murphy got out of prison, He like he made the news when he got out of prison because everyone was aware of him And then as he moves around, there are sightings of Larry Murphy that are rewarded all over the place It's noted in publications who he's hanging out with, where he's hanging out. I guess that's what I mean when by he's famous in a gross way. Um There's a fear about him as there should be, I would say But there's also a fascination with him, I think. Yeah, ye.s I would say notorious is good word as well. You're right. He was while he was in Ireland, he was visited by a member of the authorities every month Because he was considered a high risk offender, also followed by plain clothes police and so on However, he did travel to Spain. He was spotted in November of twenty twelve in Amsterdam, where he wass living with a friend who is also a criminal, a violent sex offender And As of I believe twenty fourteen. He's believed to have moved to South London There's another part we need to put in here that's just about the timeline No Disappearances occurred while Murphy was locked up in prison for his earlier attack. I believe the court could have given him life in prison. But he was only sentenced to fifteen years. So that's part of the public outcry when he was released. And for people who believe that Murphy is linked to all of these, the fact that no disappearances occurred when he was in prison seems to add weight to their case, but you have to remember he was convicted in January of two thousand one and the last Vanish and Triangle case occurs in nineteen ninety eight So it's not it's not, you know what I mean? It's not the same thing. as hard proof The other piece of proof, as we mentioned is that Murphy works as a carpenter. partnered by trade And he had done he had done some work at that grandmother shop there in Newbridge. Also, The note that Dere Jacob's mother has publicly stated that she does not believe Murphy was involved in the disappearance of her daughter You know, that that is that is the parent. that's not an official investigator I think it's worth noting that the family members the mother in particular does not believe that he had a hand in this Let's go back to the point You mentioned Noel, were the most troubling commonality, the lack of a body. It's unusual for people to vanish If we take the cases of Eva Brenan and Fiona Pender will find that there's been speculation that links them to two other Disappearances that later did prove to be murders There are two people whose bodies have been found. Antoinette Smith and Patricia Dherty. Yeah, I mean this this you could argue this is like this breaks the pattern. Ava Brennan and Fiona Pender have also been linked to the murders of Antoinette Smith and Patricia Dy. Smith who is a twenty seven year old separated mother of two went missing in July of nineteen eighty seven, and her body was discovered the following June in a shallow grave in Kilakee And that's in the foothills of the Dublin Mountains. Doughty, on the other hand, agge thirty four, disappeared while shopping on the twenty third of december in nineteen ninety one and her remains were found in June of nineteen ninety two by men digging turf. in the same area of the Dublin Mountains. so What if they're not connected. I mean, you know, there's a lot of woods in this part of the world. There's a lot of like places to bury bodies. But then Matt, weren't you saying that in the Listener Mail segment, there was somebody saying almost practically like you walk around, you're gonna stumble on a body. Yeah, yeah, those what ourur listener's father had to say about the subject. Just something something I want to point out here, the Killicky or Kalaki, I don't know how to say the Killakey foothills of the Dublin Mountains. This is that same mountain range that we were talking about. It's just south of Dublin if you're looking at a map And It would be like if you lived in Dublin and something had occurred there within the city or right in the outskirts of the city and you just drove towards the mountains, that's where you would end up is Killicky essentially Yeahep Let's say the quiet part out loud Many, many people began to think this could be the work of one person, if not necessarily Larry Murphy, who again, has not been convicted of anything related to these eight disappearances, the word people had in the front of their minds was serial killer or the term, I should say, the phrase. And it is crucial to note authorities have not officially publicly stated they think whether they think it's all the work of a single person. You'll find some reporting on this issue It seems to imply that the authorities suspected a serial killer for all eight disappearances. Remember these are still technically not murders at this point. This this is somewhat misleading. For sure there can be individuals in law enforcement who may believe that to be true But that's not The same thing as the authorities taking an official position in at least three of these cases. The Gardia strongly suspect that there was a personal motive to these murders. That as regrettably so often happens, the killer was someone the victim knew, someone from their own life and a different person each time. So Sierra Breen went missing when she snuck out of the house to supppposedly meet this secret lover. who may or may not have been married right Law enforcement for time had a specific suspect and they were They were a little vague, but pretty clear that they think the answer to the case may be closer to home. They also say they believe Fiona Sinot's killer was someone she knew I In the Fiona Pnder case, There was a specific suspect who seemed to have dated her for a time and was later tried for some sexual assault crimes in Canada. This man was forty one years old. He was arrested for assaulting and threatening to kill his wife This arrest later led to appeared to be new information in the Fiona Pnder case The way that the way that the legalities of this work, the man couldnot be publicly identified due to a ban on anything that would identify the victim. in a sexual assault case. So it's not for his protection, it's for the victim's protection So there's definitely more to discuss here And we're going to, you know, we we've We've talked about a couple of things that we're going to hit on in just a few moments, but first we need to take a break and we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was gonna to live I was Terrified There was no hing inside those eyes. scared the hell out of me That was your first murder kase. Y, It's fair to say this was the biggestase your career? Yes, sir. Rape and murder and chung twelve year old childallenge. bad as he gets. I would think so Eil wake up. that saw the murder take place by Cet and dePippo. Anthony DPippo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unphazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said I'm not guilty. I'll take it to the grave Listen to the Dvil's quuarry on the I Heart radio podcast or wherever you get your podcasts To hear the Devil's quuarry ad free with exclusive content Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts So we've covered some of the other considerations here What about other people that went missing during this time period Also, why did the disappearances stop or where they simply, you know, not reported. later These are important questions and there aren't solid answers yet, but we do see some potential light at the end of this tunnel in a couple of different cases. So rememember Annie McCarrick Just this past September twenty twenty A man named Michael Briffith, a lawyer based in New York teamed up with an ex FBI agent named Kenneth Strange Michael Griffith was hired by the McCarrick family back in the nineties to assist with their investigation and just Just a few months ago, Griffith and Strange came forward with their news. They believe theyve found a new lead There's a woman named Margaret Wogan who says she saw Annie McCarrick on the day of disappearance with a man in a cafe in Inisci. Wogan unfortunately is passed on uh, she She was working in the Poppy' Cafe and she said I saw a man approach Annie McCarrick in the cafe and offer to buy her a slice of cake. but she never gave a formal statement about this incident. She told her daughter about what she saw. and now This team of investigators believe this piece of information could be the key to solving her murder As we record, they do say they've identified a suspect. They've spoken with Irish law enforcement, but this suspect's name has yet to be released to the public Hm. Yeah, I actually heard this angle Briefly discussed in a podcast that I listened to the other day called Morbid that I actually quite enjoyed. They did a two partter on this subject. And one of the theories that's being discussed a bit on Reddit. There's a lot of deep conversation about this on Reddit is, you know, this was a person we described at the top of the show kind of exploring her Irish roots who was very outspoken about how fascinated she was about all things Irish and you know, really wanted to kind of have an authentic experience. And there's a theory that the gentleman in question here could have been a member of the a former member of the IRA the Irish Republican arrmy And once we know that they you know, they can get involved and it's something resembling. it's not, I mean, it is like a How would you describe the IRA? I mean it's almost resembling organized crime and the fact that they like do, they they have feuds and there's bombings and there's lots of covert activities Right. So the IRA, the Irish Republican army, you could describe them as paramilitary organizations, but they've gone through quite a few changes over the years, even while we're alive, you know, for sure, for sure The fact is that there are lots of illegal activities that folks involved in the IRA can get into, including bombings and you know g moves on rival factions. And the theory that was discussed on this podcast was that this gentleman was capitalizing on the fact that this young lady was very interested in all things Irish and perhaps got a little loose lipped about some of his IRA activities while drinking you know at this pub or at this restaurant and then perhaps sensed that she was starting to kind of get weirded out a little bit or that he had maybe gone a little too far in trying to impress her and then decided he needed to do something about it. becausecause Annie was the one who was possibly last seen at that Fx Is it was it Fox and Hound pub That's interesting. Johnyoxs pu. P And We have further updates in the case of Jojo Dollard in particular. We have to remember that once these headlines Leave the evening news, the story continues and the investigation continues as well. And even if years pass, cases like the Golden State Killer prove that investigations can make breakthroughs. So let let's talk a bit about a little bit about Jojo because there's a allegation of a cover up in this one too, I believe. Oh yeah. And it comes directly from the parents from Mary and Martin the parents of Joe Joe Dullard. and This was a story that was published in twenty seventeen in the Irish Mirror. Again, it's the Irish Mirror. We don't, you know. Who knows if it's fully true or not, but the parents do seem to be involved. There are pictures of the parents on the publication U And we're just going to tell you what it says According to the family There was a nineteen ninety six meeting between the family and some of the law enforcement there, the Garda and According to the family, there was a senior official, That's what they're calling this person Somebody high up in the organization that for some reason Let them know The authorities knew the identity of the person that had abducted, raped, and killed their daughter But they were unable to Do anything about it They were unable to make the investigation go any further. They said, quote, The investigation won't go anywhere And apparently this person even gave intntense details about what happened to their daughter about how she was, quote, wrapped in plastic and buried ten feet underground spepecifically using a digger. All kinds of things that On someone who had actually found a body W wouldould know if it was true Right. And According to the family, they believe this person was telling the truth. They thought it was you know, actual information, they didn't understand. They also allegge that there was some kind of smear campaign, and there was a bit of a smear campaign that was put out against Jojo Doullard And this has happened before when women go missing where The character of the victim is called into question for some reason or another when you're thinking about motive and suspect and who could have been Um Victim blaming in a lot of cases is what you could probably refer to it as There's just there's some really interesting stuff that was laid out here by the family The biggest thing to note is that according to this story, the person that was being protected, the you know, the murderer or the suspect in this case was allegedly someone in politics or close to politics or politics adjacent. And that's why this person was being protected. And this case continues. There are more updates here. We know that later in twenty nineteen An Irish priest came forward is saying that he received an anonymous letter quite illuminate the mystery, what happened to Jo Joe Doullar This This is strange because He said that he received the letter A there was another public appeal for more information about her disappearance And he received this letter in twenty sixteen. I says he brought it straight to The authorities and that this letter had the writer, the author of this letter, stated they had information in relation to missing persons, and the priest believed it was in reference to Jo Jo Dullard, although the anonymous author did not mention this person by name How does this all shake out? At this point, we don't know yet, but we can tell you that as of october twenty twenty I The Guardia has upgraded the case of Joe Joe Dullard to a murder hunt Their serious crrime review team and the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation launched a review of the case back in February of twenty twenty And they concluded that A serious harm was done to her, that she died by some violent end and they are now treating her disappearance as a murder investigation. So something happened. It's not public yet somethingomething is there and something convinced the investigators that they're there was more to learn about this case. Yeah, it really does make you wonder what caused what triggered the investigation to turn this way. All of a sudden all these years later We're gonna to certainly keep our ear to the ground and see if anything comes up. And in the meantime We would like to hear from you Uh this this case bears more investigation. there's some wonderful literature out on this if you'd like to read more We'd also recommend keeping an eye on the developments in the investigation of law enforcement as these as we said, investigations into these cases continue today Let us know what you think. Do you think Larry Murphy was involved? Do you think there is a cover up afoot Do you think there is one person responsible for these disappearances, or do you believe it's multiple people? We wantant to hear from you. We try to make ourselves easy to find online. You can find us on Facebook and Twitter where we are conspiracy stuff on Instagram. We are conspiracy stuff show. Hey, and you can even find us individually on Instagram, right? Can, Matt, what's yours today It's for today, it's You can't find it at Instagram. comot Oh, come on. 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