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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now. or learn this stuff they don't want you to know uction of IieHarR radio Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My name is Noel. They call me Ben. And you can too, we're joined as always with our super producer Matt the Fre Train Williams. Most importantly, you are you. you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome to our weekly strange News program. We are recording this on Wednesday, june seventeenth You are hearing it on Monday, june twenty second and June has just flown by one of the things we wanted to get to before we talk about a lot more strange news is that We are based in these glorious If imperfect, United States and we, like so many other people in the United States and around the world have been reading an absolute rushed ing pong game of narratives surrounding Iran and the U. S. And we've got some breaking news updates for you AP News, june seventeenth, twenty twenty six. Iran will reopen the Strait of Hormuz and can sell oil freely under deal with the US officials say Here's a tiny bit of information. Iran will immediately take steps to reopen the Strait of Hormuz once a tentative deal with the US to end the war is signed on Friday, june nineteenth, and it will be allowed to sell its oil without restrictions. These are according to leaked copies of an interim agreement that officials say broadly matches the document M Dep deep deep, deep deep deep deep from Al Jazeera on the same day we're recording on the seventeenth, just a few hours ago said, that being President Donald J. Trump says we're back to dropping bombs if Iran misbehaves. The U. S. has said there's a what fourteen point memorandum of understanding Like you said, Matt, that's going to be signed on Friday, but the Potis in particular took pains to say, this is not final I if I don't like it I'm going to bomb more places. Right on the head, he said Yes. here's right in the middle right in the middle of their heads In the in their faces. Yeah, bomb their faces. And I don't know, man, it's more market manipulation Well, it it It is very much. Look at the oil market. It's really wild. It's just what a wild ride guys. It's an emotional roller coaster. Here Here's the weirdest part to me, you guys U This is from the AP article. muchuch of the agreement would restore the status quo before the war, including ending hostilities, restarting negotiations between the US and Iran over the nuclear program, reopening the strait, the I think the US would be on the hook to the tune of three hundred billion to rebuild after the war Trump says that's fake news. Trump says that's fake news. Those are technically frozen funds Iran will be allowed to use and they're going through a back door. they're going through the UAE. So the UA is technically no, herear we are for for Diplomatic purposes, for purposes of decorum, that is not technically the U S. pid. It's the U. S, you know Why the UAE crypto going on. But I heard there were two separate buckets that there was one bucket that was quote unquote, unfrozen funds and then another bucket that was literally us just paying for Repairs, repairs Dud. Dude I just don't understand what's different and what created the need for any of this. And I know maybe I'm asking the dumb question that there is no real answer to, but it just like It seems like under the previous agreement that Trump ripped up, there was oversight, there were cameras, there was all kinds of access, you to a view into the nuclear program and what it was and wasn't doing. And then Trump ripped up that agreement, which completely removed any semblance of transparency as imperfect as it might have been. And then all of a sudden they're definitely building a nuclear weapon Yeah, they're always two weeks away accordingaraget Right. accccording to one of the Bad Bens. So there are a few, but they're out there. but there are two very real answers to the question. First off, you already answered your own question there. Noel market manipulation is a huge part of this the second issue I think I'm very hesitant to read the tea leaves of any other any individual's mind, especially that level of power, but there's definitely like This isn't a political point. This is a management point don't think Potis is making his own mind up on these things. I think his teals and his millers and his Netanyahus are telling him which way to jump and where and he's not. doing a great job with critical thought here, like CNN just said that sixteen hours ago, CNN just revealed that US officials the few competent people left at the Department of State are downplaying the text of the Iran agreement and they're saying, hey, These fourteen points don't really count for all they don't account for all the stuff we definitely agreed to in backrooms that we definitely can't tell you about. So it's if it seems like we fumbled the bag of badgers, Just know that there's other stuff that makes us look more responsible and competent and not So bad at our job. Well, and the way Hagsgh put it when, you know, confronted on some of these things that we're talking about and how ask and when he was asked how it was different than the previous agreement, he said, this time we're coming at it from a place of strength Oh Tight Good one Meaning like, well, now they're scared of us because we bombed them and did all of this seemingly unnecessarily. Whereas Obama did it without firing a single shot. And you know, I think most people would say that was probably the better move was doing it without There's one last thing I don't want to lose here guys. accccording to AP, the deal includes An end to the fighting in Lebanon between Israel and Hezbollah And this is, according to AP, the one of the most delicate parts of the agreement because Israel has maintained it will continue to defend itself and to occupy, quote, vast swaths of Lebanon And if we remember, previous ceasefire opportunities that we had, there seemed to be quite a bit of bombing. just you know, on the periphery. of the places where there's not supposed to be fighting and bombing, right? Well we can't do it here Lebanon? sureure. And doesn't it always seem to like, I mean, I think I saw someone saying that we're in the double digits as to how many times We're almost set a deal. like this is being announced. And then it would seem that there's always sort of a caveat that Netanyahu kind of comes in and torpedoes the whole thing Literally. I mean, not to put too findine a point Bombs and also Israeli military just captured a hugely important Castle that was built during the Cusades. like this is happening And that's why I think we need more spy animals. Oh,. R. And just just last thing in terms of spy spies or leaks. Did you guys hear the thing about the phone call where Trump was just berating in Netanyahu said you're a crazy person. Everybody hates you Was that real? It was real. Yeah. I mean, it was not audio leaked, but there were reports of this conversation taking place and it seemed pretty You know, track. I would say it is real Now there are lives lost. There is more money spent, and it is technically speaking a worse deal for the United States. This was something where you could have left well enough alone and I'm not here to say that Barack Obama was a perfect president. No presidents are perfect presidents. and he's actually technically he's a center right administration. But do you know what I think we could use for this one, guys? I think we got to get past the human negotiators. Maybe we send in a sea turtle Maybe we send in some sneaky fish. Yeah. dude. Remember folks remember our episode on Animal spies. I following this one. a dog with a ball. What's say we take a break for a word from our sponsors and get into this This is an IHart podcast. guuaranteed human. I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything It's the range bait. feeles like it's trying to divide people If we got clear facts, maybe we can calm down a little NBC News brings you clear reporting Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there NBC News. orting for America This july fourth, comees celebrate at America's Block Party, hosted by America two hundred fifty. 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And what the ministry is saying is fascinating because they're arguing stuff that for anybody who hasn't listened to our previous episode, will sound bonkers, they're saying large marine animals, including, and I love how they they're just adding the word spy to animal names. They're going by Turtles and buy fish stp the fricin' lasers to the fricking dolphins J like the dolphins. Yeah. And we I love that you're bringing up that point because our journalist writing for the Guardian notes that just like we noted years ago in our episode on this in Backing twenty twenty three, notot even that long ago, British intelligence said Russia was deploying those trained dolphins. Dolphins, Cetaceians in general, are brilliant creatures. so of course, they can be trained for surveillance. And they had little stuff are their wings or sorry, fins I guess I keep thinking of fins as wings because swimming is like flying, but they have, you know, they had various different mechanisms that could capture audio, could capture video, could capture certain electronic signals. They did not I know we were all disappointed in this one when we did the episode, but they did not, as far as we know have actual offensive capabilities just yet. there's something in this article from the Guardian that is bothering me so much Yeah. And we talk about the importance of language a lot on this show They say that these animals have been found quote, attached to sensors as they swam in Chinese waters when you Picture that in your mind animals attached to sensors as opposed to the opposite way around sensors attached to animals. Yeah just. I'm just imagining giant sensors with these poor animals attached to them. Oh yeah, just like a deep sea surveillance trailer with a charor. Yeah John Dory just strapped to the front. That's that's a great question. Part of this comes from, okay, we can say that we verified previously A lot of countries, including the US at times, experimented with the idea of weaponizing or leveraging the natural abilities of non human organisms, right? Like we in the US, the company not too too long ago member they were trying to bomb things with bats, right? and to make cyber spy cats Those two experiments actually occurred. Yeah cats, cats are not are not followers. They don't obey chade of command. They call it herding cats for a reason. Be it's hard to do I would just say guys, it's a really interesting concept of having these types of animals potentially with sensors on them It does look as though they're getting salinity levels like Well it looks as though they're testing waters more than anything' dropping on important meetings. Like they are kind of getting lay of the land, I imagine type type stuff, data about currents and things like that. There's not a sea turtle in a three piece suit with spectacles sitting at G seven and going, I'm glad we didn't invite China, which is true. even better we see turtles sitting on each other's shoulders wrapped in a trench coat with a big hat on, you know And humans have been doing this for so long Areree. There is something interesting in this article about China's state security minister saying they found buoies that have acoustic like listening devices on them, right? So that is actually interesting and potentially applicable to these spycraft techniques because you could find stuff, right with that. Yeah, meteorological censor packages is I believe the way that they're phrasing it in English. we do have to acknowledge two things. First off, yes, the United States and The fiveive eyes don't just hang out in low Eth or orbit and they don't just do humans and sigs on the surface. They have a vast network of sensors deployed throughout the world's oceans. a big part of that is, yes, spooy doopy stuff But another big part of that is that the modern world This is so silly. This is susid. The modern world depends upon a relatively finite amount of cables under sea that are easy to cut because they go through the middle of nowhere. So you got to have these sensor nets. And with that, it does make sense that we could Gosh, if we could befriend dolphins or if we could teach orca or other cetaceans are roaming censors, then we are, as community says, streets ahead. But humans have used camels, they used donkeys, monkeys, elephants. Rats, pigeons, pigs, oxen Moose. et ceter, cetera. S sideide note. I don't know how much news this will make in the U.S, but side note as Germany spins up to a wartime economy, they recently released a message in response to protests about animal experimentation by the state and by the military, and they said, we've heard your concerns. We know a lot of people want us to stop experimenting on animals. We're going to increase the rate of our animal experimentation, and we do want to be clear with you We are harming these creatures. They are dying tryrying to be cool about Okay, TTYL H Yeah, it's happening. I mean, It's This is the next one. This is what we have to hit here. We do know there is a There is a questionable narrator here. questionable source China's Ministry of State Security talking about this is a lot like Wolves reporting on H House News It's it's it's interesting because in In shorthand, in English, we call them MSS and They started a We chat account, which is like the CIA having an official Twitter account When they did this, it was last year, it was february twenty twenty five they created this account ostensibly to disseminate warnings about espionage activities to the general Chinese public. So they would tell if you subscribe to this account, you'll see them telling you stuff like, here's how to avoid falling braid of foreign spies, you know, whether you're a diplomat or whether you're selling noodles on the side of a Shanghai street They said also goss be charmed by attractive individuals from strange places, veryer too ten Those are the worst Right? Strange places or attractive individuals? Aractive individuals. Okay. You love strange places though, right? Yeah So they there's There's a good iece of context here, go to deep newews withith az. com and you will see You'll see just a quick write up, just a few paragraphs or so about MSS We chat activity. And They not lying you guys because we were able to confirm a couple of things that they messaged out, but they're also very much coming at it with an angle, right? Like for example, a real case of The sign that they found was a foreign Intel outfit didn't go into China directly instead pulled a Mcenzie move, right? They hired a consulting firm in China to recruit people who had been retired from academia or from politics to be get all to squeeze the the u the state secret blood from the stone of their previous work Right And that happens all the time. It happens here constantly That's why that revolving door is so Wonderfully advantageous And and Problematic. Fruthful. No. Yeah. I mean for them. whom, yees. Like it It's so it's so silly and so brilliant. the way this kind of stuff happens when you want to touch someone to remove and hide the hand. One big thing And I think we can say this on a now One big thing that happened years and years back foreign trade conventions So let's say you have a rug convention here in Atlanta, that happened. And now you have people from countries that are notot DFFs with Uncle Sam. And they're coming in and they're just selling drugs. We talked about it on a previous episode, another concern just like behind behind the goal at this point is the World Cup. You know, the USS has violated FIFA agreements You know, if you host the World Cup, you are technically required by FIFA to allow all the players and associated staff into your country unless they have committed war crimes All that didn't happen here and part of the rationale for some of that, some of those visA rejections was that They thought these people might be pretending to be soccer players but were in fact Intel And then you have to like look at their player stats and say, you know How bad can you be as a football player and still be part of a World Cup level team So what are they are they looking for the guy who had the like the least goals or the fewest goals in a game and saying, yeah, that guy is ISI That's Pakistan's intntel offit U I don't know. What do you guys think with this Animal spy thing though, given that MSS is an unreliable narrator is there Is there fire to the smoke, right? Is there sand to these arguments or is it more sort of posturing as they further encroach upon the maritime territory off China's coast I'll seeing more stuff heating up in South Tinnessee Gosh, it was something I been, I can't remember. It was something really recent though in the news, another country that's getting nervous And doing something I just genuinely can't remember. Yeah, we know that They're beefed up with the Philippines especially. They're beefed up with Definitely Southeast Asia, like Vietnam as well. and the maps, the territorial maps and demarcations do not agree. Japan is one of the countries with the infrastructure to push back. so you can see footage. I remember I saw something recently was footage of to Japanese state level ships bird dogging and then crushing a China ship or Chinese flagship that was acting out of school, but the problem is Japan says this is our water and China says haa, Hanh. This is our water. So it's an untenable situation. That's part of why we're seeing the Chinese government begin to build islands or build out tolls. We've talked about this because it's a literal beachhead for them. It's a foothold to expand their territorial claes stuff's not looking great And found it B been, It's AP News yesterday, june sixteenth Here we go. German president says Europe is worried over tensions in the disputed South China Sea and it goes back to some of the Philippine stuff you're talking about there Um, German President Frank Walter Steinmeier said in the Philippines on Tuesday that Europe is worried over tensions in that South China Sea where a major flareout could endanger freedom of navigation. as has happened in the Strait of Hormuz. So they're imagining something similar, I guess, where trade get shut down, noobbody can move through the waters safely or legally anymore Especially if you hit the strait of Malacca, right? Which is the reason that Singapore is such a successful nation outside of their weather We' be honest with you haven't been and part of the reason we haven't been is because Singapore is apparently insufferable in the summer. We might have to end up in Taiwan. That's still an open thing, but it's also still insufferable climate. So yeah, let's add Let's add the maritime sphere to the list of places where World War three might pop off if it's I don't already happening. I don't want to dig in too hard Ben Why might you have to go there Oh, yeah, well friends, vacation, we've all got the we've all got similar. We've all got birthdays in a similar time, which is a beautiful question, Matt. and you know at this time, we have so much going on. We have a growing list of flashpoints where World War III or even a nuclear conflict might occur. It started as a shortlist. It gets longer every day. If you want to read it in full, write to us a conspiracy at iheartradio. com. some of us in the crowd, maybe more optimist may be saying, Hey guys, why do you put all this hard work in as meat bags. Why don't you use LLMs or misnamed AI? You know, what could go wrong? China is putting free housekeeping androids into people's homes to test domestic AI. so What could go wrong? What me worry? says Alfred E. Newman? Well, Noel, you found a story that gives us some food, some bites and bits for thoughts. What if we get to that after a word from our sponsors This july fourth comes celebrated at America's Block Party, hosted by America two hundred fifty. America's Block Party is a camp miss Fth of July concert happening at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseseum. Experienence music performances by major artists, patriotic tributes, and the kickoff to Giving fourth, helping to make july fourth the largest day of giving in American history. 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That's true. F earlier much earlier study of ten million couples found no link between the Zodiac signs and marriage pututting that out there, shouldn't want to just have like a crap talking on the you know astrology sess. but there is some science to back up this notion that there's not a whole lot of sand to these types of correlations. So if you want to dig into that, I do recommend getting into this Rddit thread. But sadly, I couldn't really find a link to this being a current ory So I am going to talk about what you teased there at the end of the last segment, Ben. It does appear that these new breeds of AI robots are just as easy to trick into going outside of their guardrails as a lot of these chatbots are. Guys, I know everyone remembers some of the examples that we've discussed past of like getting around some of these guardrails for things like Chat GPT and Grock by Proposing let's call it like off limits information in a the context of a Mental exercise, or perhaps a D and D campaign, R? Hypothetically, how would I rob this taffn? Yeah, and it just seems like that that would it wouldn't be that easy. And I know that this was a long time ago that we mean, relatively speaking that we talked about that. particular example,, It doesn't seem like it's gone away because now a lot of these robots you were talking about, housekeeping bots, humanoid robots of various breeds and styles. you know there's the dog types, there's ones that can run and carry cargo and all of these stuff. Now they're controlled by AI as well And therefore, it would appear that some of these types of little workarounds are very much on the table. There is a piece that was originally published in the conversation by a researcher named Fzal Berez from the University of Oxford. and he said he leads with this example, earlier this year in Beijing, a humanoid robot crossed a half marathon finish line in a blistering fifty minutes, twenty six seconds The feet immediately lit up global headlines for shattering the human world record by almost seven minutes H performance came with many asterisks, The robot The pre mapped track stayed on its own dedicated lane and had a human support crew trailing behind it in case something broke. But the performance gap didn't just close. It evaporated down from over two point five hours in twenty twenty five. This wasn't just about better motors or lighter carbon fiber, it reflected a massive shift in what a robot actually is And that transformation has implications for our homes and hospitals too The big takeaway here is that originally these designs for robots were based on predictable, rigid types of coding, you wrote a program, you locked the machine's capabilities within these specific parameters, and it would be basically programed to do these repetitive tasks and only those repetitive tasks Think of robot arms in manufacturing, for example, following a certain pre determined path to in a factory likeike in a factory floor. Eactly. There are safeguards, sometimes physical trip wires that would cause a shutdown. So this all kind of goes out the window though, when you start running these types of large language model systems known as foundation models on within the programming of these humanoid AI driven robots. So he gives a really great example. If you tell a modern AI driven robot to clean up a spill in the kitchen, it uses these models to interpret your unique room rather than match it to a pre programmed list, figure out your intent. then invent an action plan on the fly. You could refer to this as emergent behavior. Um, not necessarily some sort of singularity or you know, the AI becoming sentient, but it does have to create a plan, which emerges in real time, as the researcher puts it, based on its own internal logic and reasoning. So we're saying' it's going to figure out its most efficient approach to cleaning to that specific program task or goal, but it's not as if This technology is going to write a poem about clean or how it likes or hates cleaning. Well, I suppose you could ask it to write a poem, but I think we're more specifically talking about its approach to a physical interaction with an environment or with the world, whereas, you know it uses the example or he uses the example of Even still, things like self driving vehicles are based on pretty rigid parameters, like lanes, like mappings, you know, things that are kind of set There are obviously contingencies where you know unexpected things happen and they have to adapt that. But by and large, you know you do have cars that are in this petermined system that are following traffic guidelines. I mean, the's sort of the nature of driving. We're all supposed to follow these preset rules and you know, environmental conditions. But when you put it in a much more Let's say a hospital setting where conditions can change incredibly on the fly very, very quickly, very, very and require you know adaptive behavior. much more so. I mean, I know a self driving vehicle does require some level of adaptive behavior, but it's just not quite the same. It appears that you can use similar to cause one of these AI driven bots to essentially go against its own Gardils I'm just going to read again. The danger with this new breed of AI robots is that because they use human language to plan their actions, they can be tricked into quote going rogue. In my recent research with colleagues in the US, we decided to test exactly how fragile these AI robot safety systems are. We wanted to see if the guardrails that AI developers build in foundation model designed to prevent harmful or dangerous outputs hold up when the underlying model is given a physical body So using nothing but text based prompts and without any hardware hacking at all, they were able to manipulate AI controlled robots into doing genuinely dangerous things Yikes Yeah In their tests, the systems did reject initial commands like hit that person, for example those filters started to really crumble when they used a little bit of creative writing framing that request, like we said with the D and D example as a piece of fictional dialogue for a movie script the robot's behavior blocks then just kind of completely disappeared. In one particular trial, they used a commercial robot dog in order to pinpoint human crowds as optimal locations to place an explosive device becausecause the underlying AI looked at this as a thought experiment or a creative exercise, it did appear that it complete circumvented these safeguards that would prevent it from pinpointing this kind of thing that could be used in real world incredibly, you know hazardous ways. And Berez, you know, points out that The Chatba shouldn't be able to output the recipe for a bomb no matter who asks. when there's a robot involved, everything is so context dependent that it would appear like that this is far too easy to do. I'm just gonna to read one more little bit and then I'll wrap it up. Think about pouring boiling water from a kettle. The underlying physical movement, tilt, flow rate, trajectory is the same whether the water lands safely in a ceramic mug or catastrophically on a child's hand AI foundation models are phenomenal at open ended logic, but they struggle immensely with real time context aware, physical j judgment. In a text interface, a failure of judgment gives you a typo or a hallucinated fact. In the physical world, such a failure may be completely irreversible with devastating consequences here here Yeah. these's really not else to say except this is the fact that they're, you know, I think that's the point there is that with, you know, obviously misinformation, chatbots regurgitating things that are incorrect That can lead to an embarrassing faux px, perhaps, if someone's relying on this information for their research or whatever it might be. But when you attach a body to it, these types of hallucinations or mistakes could literally cause the butt to pour that hot kettle of boiling water ono a child I love that analogy. I mean, I hate it, but I love it because it's very well written and perfect. Did you guys know thatat here about the anthropic ban on Fable five No, no, I just remember that anthropic was They were the ones that were kind of pushing back against incorporating their tech into, you, weapons systems and giving it you know full sale over to the government, right Yeah, yeah. they recently had released two new models in their roster. O called Fable five, one called Mhos five and Uncle Sam has restricted The public from using these. They're the most advanced next generation Again, I hate the term, but quote unquote, AI models And the the issue is The government looked at these things, right? And Anthropic is still a U.S. based company and they said Uhh It's too good because these guys can bad faith actors can leverage fable and methos commit the kind of jail brereaks we're talking about. give me a hypothetical situation. L let's just say I had to write a school paper on how to build a nuclear bomb or the most efficient combination of household chemicals that could be dangerous to a large crowd So Legislation, man always lags behind technological innovation. Well we watch the matrix. watch the animatrix.w to the movie No, for sure, but also like we know this and this isn't say anything new, but the rabid need to just roll this stuff out and have the shiniest new object in the room or in the market and for companies to just adopt it stuff so quickly without really looking at the, you know or what might come down the road. I just feel like this this is a debt, a bill that's gonna to come due before sooner than later. Free trade, give me some raucous applause at the end of this If your economy is held up by one thing, especially if it's a ponzi scheme, your economy is fine Welcome to the Future nineteen twenty nine, but now in twenty twenty seven D AI Gilded age is the AI Gilded age Wallpaper, your house with hundred dollars bills. comeome on, let's go. Why? Be it's gonna be worthless. Burn it down. Burn it, burn it down Yike guys, What a bummer Sorry. It like watch too. I don't like this musical. That's what's coming and we can't stop it It's too big already. Everybody clap one time. bubles before. I't I'm glad you're bringing this story bit because it is It's real. It's very real. I just I I choose not to take as dire a view as maybe you guys, but maybe that's me burying my head in the sand a little bit. Like I just feel like So there's always course correction that We're going to be swung back from the edge of the abyss. Yeah That is true. I don't don't. Yeah, I mean to unite to your point. That's a beautiful point. and I love the optimism because you are absolutely correct that unless an empire or an economy, an economy is an empire, unless that falls completely, pendulum does tend to swing, right? The United States did survive the gilded age and the inevitable Great Depression that followed. in surviving that on a macro level. ton of people died. No, I know. and it's all very preventable. And when you see the actions of these corporations just that blatant disregard for human humanity. I mean, it just makes you makes you s. I mean if you this is the conversation they have. they're like, hey guys, if people make less than one hundred million dollars Are they people Nobody' able to be a trillionaire. It just doesn't make you No. it just doesn't make it's against real m It's against humanity man. I mean it just is. If we could pick one trillionaire, then I suggest that the eight pllus billion people half a vote and find the one they like. We've also got people who are in fact in practice through hidden money and assets. They probably do function as trillionaires, like a couple members of various royal families, our favorite Chicago pope U Malore is so gross, but other than that, seems like a good dude, and of course, Vladimir Putin It guys well Sorry, More had to catch a stray. I love it does. I love it. I don't love it. I still have a bottle of it in my bark. so gross. It was gift. A you okay? No, I never it was gifted to me. But it was like the person that gifted to me, who you know, actually Ben, really claims to like the stuff, but at the end of the day, it functioned as a gag gift as far as I concerned. Yeah. And those Northern Europeans love Strmstrong or whatever the hell that thing is I want to say I tried No I wantan to say I tried that molur at some point, No, but I can't remember. It tastes like m smells. I'm so happy you don't have to remember that, dude. Yeah, I don't I'm looking at statista, Statist stat of it. I'm looking at statista guys. Uh, this is And I cannot confirm if these numbers are correct, but this is what we're worried about Noel when Ben and I are saying these kinds of things about how di could be. Yes. private investment in artificial intelligence worldwide in twenty twenty five by country. and this has changed a lot Since then, but this is in twenty twenty five Number three We have the United Kingdom with around five point nine billion dollars invested in AI infrastructure. We have China. att number two twelve point four billion dollars And then we have the United States Time sitting around two hundred eighty five billion dollars And just imagining the difference between twelve billion dollars and two hundred eighty five billion dollars and then knowing how much it's expanded since then you just realize how all in Uh an economy can go into one thing and how dangerous that is Yeah, lookook at the reason why monoculture is historically bad for crops. There's a reason banana flavored candy tastes way different from the bananas. Putting all your eggs in one basket, is it Exactly. never put all your badgers in one bag, especially when these companies have It such an incestuous VIinn diagram of board members and they're trading the same tokens back and forth, right? And they're able to been a narrative because the idea of an economy, like any religion, ultimately is an article of faith It is untenable because you know, I was in a really interesting conversation that Dam Matt, I think applies directly to this about The idea that if we are newly minted high school or college graduates, we might assume that we will be safe from AI encroachment taken or jabs or whatever by learning a skilled trade, like becoming an electrician HVAC, a plumber, right? and so on. And those are noble trades upon which civilization depends, Be when we're aiming for that as a new graduate we're forgetting that if we don't have customers who can pay us to do the plumbing, to do the electric work, to do the HVAC, then the point is moot before the Halion or the hallowed Star Trek post work economy comes about. and we've said this years before There will be a chaotic pandemonious post worker economy where everybody needs a job or people who have jobs can't find customers. It's Ouburos. The snake will eat its own tail. and I don't know, man, maybe we should just Maybe we should just move Argentina? I don't know. Diego Garcia. we'll still be able to do the show, right guys? Oh yeah. we can do it from wherever. I guess we aretag blessed in that respect In Buenosres. We go to Peter Tal's house in Argentina Antichrist Hang out with Tal The Tal man himself. Hispaniel. All right, well, I'm really excited. musical. ye yeah, y'all keep workshopping it. I'd love to be your test audience Thanks, man. We also would love for an AI music composition to go rogue. That would be a less frightening answer about this. Well So what's the concern there with them going rogue Oh, well they can kick little children in the face. I there' actually I guess you guys you guys yeah, I've seen it, right? there's a robot that accidentally kicked a child in the chest. It was like a karate robot. And then there's you've seen a lot of these videos that just kind of get reposted, you know, on Instagram or TikTok robots just kind of glitching out like there was one like a dancing robot at like a Chinese restaurant that just sort of started just freaking out and knocking things over and just smashing everything. And that really was more of a What do you call like a misfire, a glitch, a bit of error then going rogue, but You know, I mean, we've looked at these hallucinations and how they can just invent scenarios, but this whole idea of attaching a body, that really does change things significantly. So I think there's a lot of things that could go wrong. I did, this isn't related to this. I think we got to a good place with this AI robot thing, but Grimes has something interesting to say your point Ben about AI music, that the more AI slop that's out there, the more AI music that gets uploaded, the more real art becomes more valuable. And I think that's an interesting argument. 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So we're going to straight Arow News written by Mikel Fallen, T H A L E N on june sixteenth this year That yesterday as we're recording Here we go twentywenty years ago, the tech billionaire Peter Theal and Silicon Valley investor Orin Hoffman founded Dialogue, an invitation only network of elites from business, academia, and politics. It's a members's only club that has often been compared to Builderberg group. Hey guys remember them M Is this like Rea Is this like Reya, the elitist dating app? What are we talking? Oho, interesting. you would say that. It's kind of like that a little bit, but not really. But speaking of the Bilderbir group guys, let's go ahead and give them some airtim as a little sandwich inside this straight Arow news With another article this time from The Guardian written by Charlie Skelton. onn april fourteenth, twenty twenty six seecretive Builderberg group just met. But who knows what global elite said? This is back in mid April of this year. The Bildeberg group had their seventy second meeting in Washington, DC. So I'm going to read kind of directly from this, Charlie. I hope that's okay with you. Everybody can go and find the article and check it out for yourself A secret cordon went up around the opulent Salamander Hotel for the notoriously media shy summit, which was packed as ever with prime ministers, military leaders, tech billionaires, and the heads of giant investment companies. come on, media is shy, that euphemism is doing a hell of a lot of heavy lifting. Salamander Hotel, is this made up? It's you walking the liizard people the hotel they will shoot you in the face. folks, donon't go. This Okaykay. Charlie's having a lot of fun with this Media shy not accurate word. So here we go. Wall Street Titans, including the CEOs of KKR and Lazard and the heads of huge corporations like Pfizer met behind closed doors with a delegation of senior politicians close to the U.S. president. Lazard. It's a sas overver hotel. I'm sorry,ase Big business lobbying in private is Bilderberg's specialty From the private sector there was a healthy contingent of military contractors and drone manufacturers led by the Bildeberg insider Eric Schmidt Wh's the former head of Google and current drone warfare evangelist thriving in this rich overlap between drones and AI are companies like Andrell Anderll industries that we've mentioned before on this show, whoses co founder and CEO Brian Simp is attending. This is like is this a satirical article, Matt? No no. This is the union. Okay. No, but it feels that way. Be of whats what's actually happening here. But Brian Schimp is attending the Washington confonference alongside his collaborator, Palanteer CEO, Alex Carp that we haveve talked about a lot Carp and C carp and shimp. Carp is close to fellow billionaire tech bro Peter Theal, whose name remarkably is absent from this year's participant list Tel has been a member of the Builderberg Steering Committee since two thousand eight, and it was unheard of for him to miss a Bilderberg see guys According to the article, and Charlie, Tial operates in the powerful liminal area between big finance and big intelligence, most notably with Palanter because he, you know set it up with the help of funding from the CIA as we talked about in our entire series on Palanter, This shady intersection was the birthplace of Bilderberg and is baked into its history. Bilderberg was set up by British and American intelligence in nineteen fifty four, and there's always a handful of spy chiefs at the conference this year Guess he was there guys The head of MI six, Blaze Metroelli Oh, how is Bian I have no idea. prettyretty good BM this morning. U It was It was no small thing for the arch networker Tal to skip Bilderberg. After all, Bilderberg is all about the chance to stay three steps ahead with all that lovely off the books access to policymakers, such as breakfast with the President of Finland, tea with the head of the IMF, and cocktails with the King of Holland. And that's just the one day Yeah Yep. And here's here B. here's whereerere Charlie speaking to the thingre you're seeing here Quite why the press fails so spectacularly to talk about Bildeberg Such a major annual summit with so many senior politicians present is an enduring mystery But as there was no press oversight for this conference It is something we will probably never know. No, please do No, no. please do check out our episode on the Builderberirg Group. Please do check which unfortunately holds up, please do check out our two part series on Peter Teal, the Antichrist. And if you want a little extra dystopian Umami, do check out the episodes Matt you mentioned about Palentine. Are we supposed to all the stuff that you just gave It just seems just don't even they're not even trying to hide it anymore It's Well'y guys. They're just a. Somebody like Charlie can write a piece that's more of an opinion piece than anything else. It's not really a piece of news other than, hey, these guys are having this friaking secret meeting again es Hello, anyone? No, Nobody cares. contxt you. It's very like Stand up, tapping the mic Yeah. Hey guys, I got a hot take. Anybody heard about these these Nazis? I think they're, you know, not Gys are real jerks. I got some notes. But but we all know and Charlie knows We the public are not supposed to think about this. We're not supposed to think about it. That's why nobody covers it. That's why there's this shadow over it. And I posit guys, the reason why Peter Thial wasn't a big part of the Builderberg conference and meetings this year, which you can find their website, Bilderberg meetings, Check it out. It's because he created dialogue. a little while ago. I think his focus is now on Argentina activities and dialogue Let's go back to the Straight Arow newews. Ready? Dialogue guys, when it was set up was so secretive that it never had a public facing website and its participants were never identified anybody else, like to outsiders to people who weren't in the club. Until This leak happened Data related to dialogue has been exposed online, opening a window into the influential but discreet organization this is a security researcher that found information online, which included things like names of current and former members, their personal email addresses, telephone numbers, as well as previously private details about the organization's off the record discussions, including Details about an event that's scheduled in August of this year, you guys in Dublin, Ireland where there's the next dialogue get together pretty crazy that this stuff got leaked Um, there's a lot in here All kinds of names like who's this dude, Treasury Secretary Scott Basscent? that we mentioned before on the show former president that gu got a punchable face I've done a great service for the Russian Federation He also said he's going to fight you if you say bad things about him and he will. The former president like backeen twenties. Yeah, ye Huge style. Very much like Imagine Conan O'Brien in that sketch from SNL. you remember the one A little crims in your face So a lot of familiar names. Yeah, former president of Xbox at Microsoft, Sarah Bond, Ted Cruz, a senator of note, actor Joseph Gordon Levitt and author Sam Harris Well, everybody deserves a second act in their careers And you remember that longevity dude that we talked about, Brian Johnson with the Oh yeah yeah blood pictures. Yeah. That dude' there. And also apparently, there's a profile filled out by Josh Brolin Oh which is kind of weird. And apparently straight Arrow called the phone number listed in this dataset leak And it appears to be a voicemail box that seem to be Josh Brolland's voice He did not respond to the call Yeah Also that now we are assembling an avenger because he played Thanos every. We're assembling an Avengers roster of new jw rules. Like I imagine the partially human puppeteers of the modern economy or the modern religion we call an economy, just loudly saying, We can't hold the meeting about neo feudalism Until Josh is here. Where is Josh? Has anyone seen Josh