Wealth Inequality and Scientific Discovery

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Listen to Untold Stories, Life withith a severe autoimmune condition on the iHart Radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everybody, we are getting ready to go on a trip. We're not packed yet, but our brains definitely are because we have a trip to Bahamar on the horizon and it's kind of all I can think about. I'm so excited about the food. There are amazing restaurants and lounnges there that I'm going to sample everything I possibly can. I'm going to gaze into the water and mostly I am gonna watch the Daily Flamingo parade, which might be the thing I'm most excited about. There's also an incredible spa and I know Tracy's going to be takaking advantage of that. There is excited and then there is Bahamar excited. Start planning at Bahamar d. com Alienware' Back to schoolool event is the perfect time to score top gaming gear with incredible features and advanced engineering to go beyond performance Start your Alienware journey with the Alienware fifteen gaming laptop featuring Intel core processors, game, live stream and multitask for hours on end. Pair your incredibly smooth gaming experience with immersive visuals and sound by saving on sleek Alienware monitors, headsets, and more. This limited time sale awaits you now at alienware dot com slash deals Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of Hart Radio Hello and happay Friday, I'm Tracy V. Wilson. And I'm Holly Fry This week on a show we talked about Vela Roseborough. Oh yeah I It was really that apostrophe that caught my attention at the end of her name that made me go, Why is that peel that way Pel, what are you doing? I had one specific difficulty with research for this which is that as we alluded to There is one book length biography that I know of of her. Oh yeah. One It is by Jane Kirkland Graham. Someone I could find no information about. O than the fact that she wrote this biography of Vila Rosebroke Published in nineteen fifty five is more than six hundred pages long. Wa, That's a Mutia biography. That's a lot. And it is two volumes published under one cover. So Sometimes I can find when there are obscure books like this, I do have access to a lot of different libraries And Sometimes when there's something pretty obscure, I can find it in one of those libraries That was not the case this time. There are maybe nine copies of this book in any library, anywhere in the United States possible that some of them can be through inner liibrary alone, but like an extremely rare book that was published in nineteen fifty five, maybe not. Also, six hundred pages is like really long for our show That's Yeah, that's not really an amount of time. that we can devote to one subject Yeah, unless you're just like doing nothing else with your week And I mean right nothing else. Absolutely nothing. orr if it's going to become a two part episode that right potentially work. So I guess I lied a little bit. I could also, in addition to Jane Kirkland Graham having written this book, I also did find out that she lived in Bamberurg, South Carolina and was a schoolteacher Uh, that was it So what I wound up doing was I read every review that I could find of this book. And there are a number of reviews of it that were published in like literary journals Okay. and the reviewers that The same kinds of words showed up in a lot of the reviews A word's like unusual. and unorthodox because apparently, as Holly guessed from the fact that it was more than six hundred pages long, it does get into The minutia of things Apparently there's a lot of discussion of where individual facts came from Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Who said what Some of the chapters of the book apparently have extensive citations basically throughout the text, but There's no index And there's no formal bibliography A witch The reviewers all found made it very hard to like ref find information. Right. Like they there was no index to refer back to if they were like, where was the part that she was talking about that time She was in Rhode Island? Who could say? it's some there So she needed Viola Roseborough to edit that bit. Maybe so. It's possible. That Jane Kirkland Graham was really Je Kirkland, who was one of Roseborough's correspondents friendriends with Roseborough, friends with some of Roseborough's friends and decided to write a biography of her after her death But it's not totally clear. One of the reviewers named Scott C. Osborne pointed out The many flaws in this biography but also called it, quote, prodigious research obviously performed with love So all of that I was like, I I could if I can get this through inner liibrary alone, which would mean delaying when I could work on this episode. I would have to wait for the book to arrive.. But after having read the same consistent criticisms of the biography, I was like, I feel like this biography is just going make Her. Right. It's gonna to drag down the research process. Yeah, I would have filled in some of the gaps that I do have about her, but it would have added so much to the research process just to get through it did really love one particular thing that was said by Isabell Howell in the Tennessee Historical Qarterly in their review of this book, which was, quote, her cordial and generous acknowledgements of indebtedness to the Vanderbilt and Tennessee State Lbrary staffs ought to be an encouragement to all librarians So I guess Jane Kirkland Graham was full of thanks and praise for the librarians who helped her with the prodigious research obviously performed with love Vila Roseborough was also featured in that Southern Women in New York article that we talked about in the Elizabeth Bisland episode. Oh ye She did have a similar trajectory. That was one of the reasons why I did not immediately jump into figuring out more about her after Elizabeth Bisland. I was like this does seem like it's going to have some of the same Right. momoments of, you know, person who grew up elsewhere moving to New York trying to make a living as a writer So let's wait just a couple months before we get into it B I feel like if I had known her, I would have loved and hated her I think I would have just hated her Is that terrible to say? No There's a a specific personality that she seems to fit the bill of that I' have encountered many times in my life and people go, you will love this person because I am a chatty person and I like to chitter chatter. But I don't like people I mean, when I was younger, yes, but as I have gotten older and more mature, I do not like people who are mean for sport Okay I don't care how witty you are if you're being a jerk I think you're a pretentious jerk. That's the nice one I can use. There are much, much more salty words bubbling in my esophagus right now I just I don't I don't care that you're you're a hoot. I think you're a jerk at the end of the day. Like her whole like,, I hate that I can't just insult people. I'm like, I'm out, I'm out like a drrouown. You're done. You're done swimming away from this one. Yeah Wh was reminded of steel magnolias and if you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me. Which is also attributed, as we've discussed on the show before to Alice Roosevelt I forgot that. Which is an interesting you know, little connection point. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, I love a little gossip. I love calling it like it is, but I also just think if you are going into conversations because you wantna be mean, there's also that thing where she's like, I take control of it. and I'm like, I'm out. that's a boss person I don't mind if you are a person that dominates conversations as long as you're a delight, but if you're just kind of being bossy because you think you're better than everybody else, then you're done. I'm sorry Viola. 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The things I loveved about her are How much she loved reading how much she really seems to have found joy in Finding interesting new work in the mailbag at the magazine. Yeah. How much she really seems to have never lost sight of the fact that that's an incredibly cool job to have if that's something that you find joy in Right. I think it's easy for everybody in every job, no matter how cool it is. to eventually kind of fall into a mundane rut with it And it doesn't seem like she ever did that. It seems like she always was like, all right, I get to go to work and I get to find some amazing new story in this mail bag full of stories. and then I get to help writer get more well known in the world. And I think she really loved that and put her heart into it for as long as she was doing it The fact that somehow she was at least briefly able to afford an apartment in New York and multiple cottages Thats the thing I'm curious about. Did she actually have enough money to do that or was she really financially overextending herself? and that is what contributed to the nineteen twenties being so much harder for her I had initially Before I quite realized the timeline, I had attributed that more to the Great Depression. Right. But a lot, like the height of the Great Depression was after she was having a lot of those struggles. That struck me while we were taling through this and'm like, o She hit the downramp before the depression even hit. That had been a rough rough time Yeah So H I like that she. to make her own way that I similarly to you don't necessarily like that enjoyed being mean or insulting. I just, you know, that's always that thing where it's like, okay, what is that person getting out of it? Like Uh Why do you want to whyy is that a thing you prize? Right? And it's usually doesn't take you to a good place. Yeah, ye. Yeah, that seems to have, I think been one of the the contradictions about her because people also talked about how she was really generous. with her friends and even when she didn't have any money, she was always scraping something together to try to buuy little treats for people and especially books. like if somebody came to visit her and they always left with a book then sometimes she could be very blunt in her criticisms of people sometometimes beyond what's really necessary The other thing too is that she wanted to make her own way in the world, which I love but not. put any of that effort towards ensuring other women could do the same Sure, sure. And I'm like gl. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, the contradictions and how she was living her life and what she thought. politically I wonder if that six hundred and something page biography shheds any light on that Right. Like where that was coming from. Was it like I got mine and I don't need to worry about anybody else or was there something else going on there? don't know Yeah, I don't it's really hard to Is that her form of rebellion because she grew up with hippie parents? Is it you know what I mean? Like Sure parse that file is a little tricky. Yeah that Maybe someday becausecause I think They as fious Services is not even the right word. sort of print on demand situations. that will prince rare out of print books on demand. Right And I think one of those does have this biography. so I also could have spent money and waited a long time to get it Uh, so maybe I also have a question for you Okay Bea I'm curious what your take is on Willa Cathar's willill Okay and it being disregarded after Okay So here is my understanding of the situation and I'm going to say I did not I got to a point where I felt like I had a satisfactory answer, but I do not know I cannot promise this is like the whole story So Willie Cathar's Will said, none of my correspondence published in whole or in part. And then also There was an executor who all of that was tied to And that executor eventually died. And at that point, Everything that the will had specified to go through the executor All of that expired. And the setup that had been established to maintain her literary legacy dissolved with the expiration of all of that So then a new basically executor, like the willill is over, but like a new organization had to be sort of developed to maintain the Will of Cathather legacy. Right. That organization ultimately decided that it was of importance to history and literature and study of Willak Cathur to be able to publish that correspondence Also, I think she had specified in her will not to have any adaptations of her work And so I think they may have revisited that also. So my understanding is that all of this was within the bounds of what was legal within the terms of her will It just made me feel icky I get it Like she literally said she did not want this. She said forever And you were an interestood firm. Okay, but it's later now Legally we can. so Well, I don't know if the details of the will were Do not ever publish this until A the death of this person Got a secondor or if it was, Do not ever publish this ever ever I mean I don't either. and I don't really feel like doing an episode on Willa Cathar to figure it out for me. As we said during recording, I'm not that not really a fan of her work Yeah And I'm also like, I'm not a lawyer and that what everything I just said was sort of my understanding on having to try to figure out like, wait a minute thing that here says that she said for her letters never to be published, but I read some of her letters while researching this episode, What's Go on So yeah I don' for sure notightly there. I mean I'm going through the like logic flow right of like, well, she did try to get her letters back from people U So she didn't want them out there. But maybe that's because she wanted to control it with a weird claws in her will. I don't know. Yeah. read her will. Yeah And that's possibly it's possible that we will get an email either from a lawyer or someone who knows a lot more about Willa Cathar. you can give a fuller explanation than my lay personerson, not a lawyer who looked just enough to figure out If she said, no, why is this on the internet? Yeah Yes I kind of Not necessarily with Willakther because again, no plans to do a Willick Cther episode. definitely been times that we have worked on episodes on the show where Like there's a question of would this person want these details there And sometimes there's sort of a question of like the historical interest about something. Yeah what is the importance of understanding this versus like what is the harm to this person or their legacy or what they would have wanted? And sometimes those things are complicated Yes, because often too, they involve other people. Yeah which makes it layers and layers of trying to figure out path feels the the rate feeles like the right w Anyway, history, you complicated thing Yeah Living with a rare autoimmune condition can bring a lot of uncertainty, but it can also bring people together in powerful ways. Tune in for season six of Untold stories, Life withith a severe autoimmune condition, a Ruby Stio production in partnership with Argenics. This season, host Martine Hackett brings you fresh stories from people living with MG and CIDP and expands the conversation to people living with other rare conditions like myositis and IGAN Through their stories, you'll learn what it's like to participate in clinical trials seeking new treatments, how connection fuels hope, and how people can support one another along the way. Because living with a rare disease isn't about getting through it, it's about moving forward together. 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It's beautiful. and it's obviously been renovated and kept up and it's now like an event space. they'll rent it out for special events, but you can also just rent out the property to stay for a weekend with your friends or whatever. Imagine the cool party you could have there. Yeah. It's gorgeous. I think it is also, I don't have their website up in front of me, but I think it is also like property you can just go visit for the day, like a park area and green spaces that you can look at and also architecture that's obviously interesting, but so pretty and I like that it's been there since twelfth century Yeah, that's cool. It's cool The next thing I want to talk about Is that third person autobiography? Yeah. A lot of discussion of it calls it a fictionalized autobiography. And it might be, it doesn't seem super embellished to me. I didn't live his life, obviously I don't know. But like the details of like his birth, his family upbringing, where they were all very, very identical to his actual life