Complex Political Views and Historical Figures

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We talked about Kasmir Pulaski this week, whose name in Polish, even with practicing, I feel like I said very badly the one time that I tried to say it I wow. so As I said at the top of the episode He wound up on my shortlist back in twenty nineteen when that Smithsonian channel episode was happening I did not watch the episode at that time. So mostly what I had to go on was like the that came out from Smithsonian Channel, writing about it News reporting about the thing And I was really intrigued by the idea that this person who had fought, you know, been been an officer in the Revolutionary War may have been intersectx. But then doing the actual research into this episode lookingoo in into it into it a lot farther I feel like people are going to come at me I dont think those are his bones from the monuments. I don't either. So while I appreciated the opportunity Let's to talk again about how there have always been always, all through history all over the world, always people whose lives and whose bodies just don't line up the place and time that they're living in terms of the sex and gender expectations I just I don't think those are his b Um I said in the episode that I watched this Smithsonian channel thing on the very last day of research and the reason that it was on the very last day of research was that like In doing all of the reading, I was like, I don't think those are his bones. What did they actually say on this TV show about DNA research and it was mitochondrial DNA research which is passed through the maternal line. And I couldn't find clarity on exactly what was There was just a lot of vagueness in the various writing about this TV show and the research that led into it And so I was like, well, I guess I'm gonna to have to get Paramount plus to watch this thing because that was the place where it was available And I watched it And I had a lot of frustrations Because a lot of the episode is not really about Like the DNA research is kind of the big capstone at the end and the announcement of yes, there's a match, the big right. That's just the big reveal at the end of the episode. But a lot of the episode is more about building a case that this person could have been Intersex And so they kept doing things like comparing portraits of Kazmir Polaski T a medical illustration illustrating someone who had congenital adrenal hyperplasia And I was like, Okaykay, that doesn't really have anything to do bones these are. or whether that was Kasmir Polaski or weetather you're you're seeing a similarity between like an eighteenth century or maybe nineteenth century from later on portrait. and a medical text illustration. likeike this that's not really proving Right, but you understand that's the narrative structure is that they're building the audience to want them to be that Right,ight. We want that outcome for the bones. Yeah There was a portion of the episode where they had an intersex person dress in the uniform of what he would have worn. And I was like, this is also not notot about the DNA research You only wanted a half hour show of DNA results. Yeah I wanted I really that was the only thing that I was really there for was to find out. like what did they actually say about this DNA research And then when they got to that moment in the show and the answer was there's a match between this talus bone and this other bone. I was like, I think I said what? out loud, because that is not what I thought was going to happen I was expecting that it was going to be something else that was inconclusive and that it was just going to sort of be like based on all of this other stuff that we have talked about over the course of this episode then this right. But that when they were like, no, this is this there's a match. I was very surprised Oh, see, this makes total sense to me in how you would write an episode like that for television. It does to me too, but it was still irritating Does that make sense? Like I feel like You know, they know what answer is coming and they need to make it such that by the time you land the boat playain there, the audience can accept that information Yeah, because otherwise there are just one bazillion questions that will irritate other people of like Wait. So what did he look like in his uniform? Are you sure nobody knew how did this know what I mean? like Yeah. That's really why they're writing it that way It was one of those things where I was like, I understand how these shows work and I like I understand how a one hour documentary TV show. like I understand conceptually. what's happening, but I still found a lot of it Very frustrating I also, the tests that were done on these, they were not in any way non invasive. It was like drill a sample out of the bones. R And that's there has, you know, have been less invasive methods for things that were done. that have been developed and more recent years, but this was that's not what was done in this case Anyway, I just I byy the time I finished watching it, I was like, I needed to watch this so that I could understand what was actually set, like what was said and what was the substantiation for what was said. But then I was like, I wish I hadn't had to spend an hour of my life on that. I'm gonna ask you a question that's gonna to sound obnoxious. Okay. Why didn't you just jump to the end then? Didn't I just see it? 'a I mean, it might just be like the result of my kind of ADHD brain. I'm like I'm not if I'm not in it, I'm not in it. I'm going to step ahead and see what I can find that actually like hits the dopamine receptors and get out Yeah I think I I idn't know that there was not going to be useful material in the rest episode until I had seen it. What I really would have appreciated would be if there had been a publicly available transcript of it that I could have just read through because that would have gotten a lot faster And it would not have had the things about it that It would not have had some of the things that that would have frustrated me. So anyway, And now I have Paramount plus things that I can watch Well That's a good Star Trek time coming to you. It is a lot of Star Trek time. And it was a weird irony because Patrick and I had just gone through our streaming services and we had weeded things out because we were subscribing to a lot, a lot of them And I was the only one at that moment who was watching anything on Paramount Plus. and both of the things that I was watching had gone on like the mid season hiatus and I was like, we can just get rid of this and I will probably come back to it at some point later. And then notot very long at all after that was, oh, I need to watch this thing from Smithsonian Channel and that's where I could watch it So I was really interested in the way that Kasmir Pulaski has been talked about Like as a figure from the American Revolution As a figure related to like Polish immigration and Polish National pride, Polish American pride, all of that Multiple articles that I read that talked about that, talked about Uh, how Today is Kashuko, whose name I'm pronouncing to the best of my ability was a more influential and important figure in terms of Polish right in the Revolutionary War And there were like at least three or four different articles that were like He probably didn't get his as much attention because his name is a lot harder for English speakers to say. right. And I was like that Honestly Probably true. Fair, yeah. And it it's sort of made it madeade a layer of it like sense making huff how this person who was had such a reputation for being kind of arrogant and quarrelsome and writing long letters to the Continental Congress that are like you are treating me very, very badly. Wound up being kind of the llustrative example of Polish involvement in the revolutionary War. Right You're doing it wrong I the cas of your Polatky story. Alaski story. Yeah. Yeah, just yeah. Yeah Also, I am aware of Sufon Stehven' album Illinois Illinois that then became. stage production. There is a song on it about Kasmir Pulaski D I know that exists probably own that album I'd imagine getting lots of emails from Listeners saying Are you aware that there's a Kasmir Pulaskiay song on this album? Yes, I know I am aware Anyway I don't think I have anything further to say about all of this? I'm just tickled by what a pill he apparently was to everybody. Yeah Well, and the he was not the only officer from Europe who had that reputation Right. There's definitely a cultural clashing element problem to all of that Yeah. And this is something that may or may not come up again on us reasonably near future episode I don't know if it will happen or not, but sort of about the difference between the professional standing armies of Europe And the Continental Army, which especially in the early years, was like just volunteers. who had maybe been out drilling with their militia two or three times a year. If they were if they were very young They might have done that one time or no times and were up against armies that had been you know, drilling and practicing and subjected to continual discipline for years of their lives. Yeah And then a bunch of guys just doing their best Yeah, a bunch of guys doing their best. So you had officers coming over from a tradition of you know, ongoing service and discipline. Yeah in a standing army to, you know, Ter militia members doing their best. So anyw Maybe that episode will happen, maybe not. I have not figured it out yet Introducing BFA Rewards, a new royalty program with rewards for every ambition From cashback deals on brands you know and love to a credit card rewards bonus, from fueling up to rewards that fuel your goals. It all starts with a Bank of America checking account and grows from there What would you like the power to do? Bank of America Oen or enroll your account at bank ofammerica d. com slash v of A rewards. Bank of America Corporation, All rightights Reserve Living with a rare autoimmune condition can bring a lot of uncertainty, but it can also bring people together in powerful ways. Tune in for season six of Untold stories, Life with a severe autoimmune condition, a Ruby Studio production in partnership with Argenics. 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No, but live show episodes are supposed to be fun In theory, Yeah, that one was not really I haven't really done a live show in a while, but This sort of similarly. Even though I was looking for things that were not like raw raw USA USA to potentially tie into America's two hundred fifty I would not necessarily have picked one that where we would need to discuss anti Tom novels blink Holly, do you remember learning how to read a little Okay I'm wondering if I had a similar situation to you. I'm about to find out a little frustrated at the pace of instruction Oh Okay. took matters into my own hands. Okay So my mom reads me a lot. And really the only television that I was allowed to watch as a small child was Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers, and that was it And through the combination of Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers and my mother reading to me I walked into the kitchen one day when I was four and said, I can read And my mom said, I don't think so And I sat down and read her, There's a monster at the end of this book, which is the book that she read to me every night because it was my favorite. And my mom was like I think you have that book memorized. So I went into another part of the house and like pulled a book off the shelf. that I had never been exposed to before that I think was like a school textbook that had been handed down from somewhere. Like wasnt it wasn't a novel. It wasn't anything that I'd ever read, but I took that into the kitchen and just opened it to a page and started reading from it And my mom kind of went, okay, I guess you can actually read then. I stand corrected, which is evidence of both my existence as an early reader and also the fact that I had to be right. Mine is early evidence of what a little shrew I was, which is come many times, but I remember, I have older siblings significantly r than me And I remember at one point in time One of my siblings thought they were going to have didactic time with Holly and they had like sat down and done this thing where they were like, going to teach me the word cat and how to read it. And I apparently just looked at them and said Do you think I'm stupid I was similarly around four or five. like ye real early. Yeah with like the police to with us. I also remember distinctly there was a, I don't know if it was like a yard sale or a second hand shot, but I remember being quite tiny and looking through Books at a secondhand situationu picking out a bunch and my mom kind of buying them for me without really like perusing what they were Sure. And a lot of them were like spelling and reading instruction books and I just kind of yeah my own little private classroom in my room that I don't think anybody realized was going on. Yeah, I grew into one of those kids that got in trouble for reading in class. Oh when I was not supposed to be doing that or reading ahead of what we were supposed to be reading out loud because I read a lot faster. was in my head than reading out loud And even though I already knew how to read when I started kindergarten, like I veryer viscerally remember the process of sounding things out and being taught to sound things out when I came into a word that I did not know And so when I learned that there's kind of a generation of kids that didn't really learn that at all Yeah, I was like, what do you mean And I do want to say that like I think there's one way of teaching that works for everybody. like there are a lot of ks that have disabilities or learning differences or whatever that like make one particular thing just not work for them. and some other form of instruction is necessary. So I think that's part of it too. But the idea that there was just No phonics I was like, what do you mean? Yeah. What do you mean people didn't learn how to sound things out Yeah, I feel like I got more of the at least in like the classwork that I was exposed to was more of the word word stuff. But a lot of my like interest in reading was just driven by wanting to know things. Oh, sure. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that was and it wasn't necessarily stuff I was going to get taught in school. Yeah. So I would just proactive about it and I don't write bossy What do you think up'm stupid Um, yeah. Yeahah Fat Pollard's methods and the level of granularity in all of the different phonemes does sound to me. Tedious The fact that there was so much that she just called busywork, I don't know if other people were calling things busywork in the nineteenth century. that was just like part of the lingo. But the fact that it was called busy workork, I was like, yeah, this does sound like busy workork to me Marking all of the phonames in your reader. Oh, but those kids, like their level of mastery was probably like so far ahead of anybody else in their age group Yeah That's the thing. sometometimes that stuff that feels like busywork is really like drilling things in a way that you will never ever in your life forget it For sure. Yeah. yeah. Side note, I went to Stratford upon Avon on my tri to England. and I went to the schoolroom where Shakespeare would have gone to school. I'm not actually sure if there's evidence that he did go to school there, but it would have been the school he would have gone to. And it is a school that's still in operation. Yeah. they don't start tours until eleven because there is a morning class that like meets in the classroom. you know, historic classroom that's still there And the tour group did just sort of a little simulation of how students would have learned by wrote through memorizing things. Yeah, which is not at all