Final Years and Lasting Legacy

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Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of IiHart Radio Welcome to the podcast, I'm Tracy V. Wilson, and I'm Holly Fry. Today, we are going to talk about a pair of sisters who along with their other sisters and their cousins get a lot of comparisons to whatever Influencer slash media celebrity is making the most headlines at any given moment like Over the past few years, I've seen a lot of people call them the seventeenth century Kardashians. They are Hortens and Marie Mancini, and they tried to make a place for themselves in the seventeenth century in Europe really defying all kinds of conventions along the way. We mentioned them extxtremely briefly, like just a couple of sentences way back when we interviewed Jason Porath about his book and website rejected Princesses twenty sixteen who they've had Not even like a six impossible episodes level of exploration. It just really is just like paragraph One thing to note up front with this episode is that I love a lot of these two women's stories. There are big chunks of their lives that are a really wild ride and they sound full of adventure and daring and writing memoirs and hosting salons and becoming the favorites of various monarchs But really a lot of this was also happening as they were trying to get away from their husbands Both of whom were controlling and abusive and just frightening. And this was all happening in an era when women just really didn't have the right Get a divorce from a bad marriage. so I can see how just that whole setup would be very troubling to people We're also going to talk a little bit about some pregnancy loss and There are some Very young marriages in this story even to the point of seememing inordinately young given time period. this is a headset. So Hortense and Marie Mancini were two of the women known as the Mesarines They were the nieces of Cardinal Jules Mazarin Chief Minister of France. So we need to talk a little bit about him to set the stage He was born Giulio Mazarini in Naples in sixteen oh two. and he changed his name after moving to France, where he became an advisor and eventually chief minister to King Louis XIteI In sixteen forty one, Mazarin was named a cardinal and he was one of the people present at the baptism of the dauphin The future, King Louis XVI of course also became known as the Sun King Louis XII died in sixteen forty three. and that was when Louis Xte was still a child, and the young king's mother Anne of Austria became his regent She and Mazarin did not initially get along. There was some butting of heads, but he was so charming and persuasive They eventually became very close, so close that there were rumors that the two of them were secretly married Now there is a whole swath of history that we're kind of skipping over here, including the Thirty Years War and Mazarin being exiled for a while and a series of civil wars in France known as the Fom But eventually Maazarin became one of the most powerful people in France, which itself was one of the most powerful countries in Europe He had also become extremely wealthy with money and titles and land to pass down to an heir He had no children of his own, though. His one surviving nephew had a reputation as an irresponsible libertine. so Mazaron did not think that this would be a great candidate for his successor. So he really focused on his seven nieces moving all of them from what's now Italy to France and managing their educations to make sure that they would be witty and cultured and personable, able to fit into French society. And then he arranged advantageous marriages for all of them builduild a legacy for himself that way Five of Mazarin's nieces were the daughters of Hironima and Lorenzo Mancini That included Hortense and Marie, who we're going to come back to Their sister, Laur Verttoire married Louis de Vendome, Duke de Marquur, who was King Henry IV's grandson. Sadly, she died at the age of twenty shortly after giving birth to their third son. Another sister, Olimp married Eugene Maurice of Savoy Cteoison The youngest Mancini sister, Marie Anne, married Godfre Maurice de L Tour'augne Crillon Mazarin's two other nieces were the two daughters of Giroamo Martinazzi and Laura Margarita Mazzarini They were Anne Marie, who married Armand de Beourbon, Prince of Conti, and Laura who married Alphonse IV, dest Duke of Modena In addition to Hortense and Marie, some of these women wound up being famous and even notorious in their own ways There were court scandals and affairs with kings, and in the case of Olap and Mar Anne Mancini Allegations of poisoning people during the affair of the poisons As its name suggests, the affair of the poisons involved poisonings and alleged poisonings and allegations of people using black magic and love potions to try to sway the king Previous hosts of the show did an episode on this. came out on january nineteenth of twenty eleven We're not running this one as a Saturday classic because it's in the middle of a series that they did on the House of Bourbon. builds on the previous episodes that they had released over the prior couple of weeks. It's just a little bit more in medious race than we would generally try to do is I think you can follow it It just was a little like, it's not quite a standalone Right, right. So we didn't want to stick it into the feed by itself Marie Mancini was born, Anna Maria Mancini on august twenty eighth, sixteen thirty nine Her younger sister, Jortenz, was born Orensia Mancini on june sixth, sixteen forty six In spite of the seven year gap in their ages, these two sisters became very close In sixteen fifty four, when Marie was fifteen and Hortense was eight Caregivers judge them as being ready to start making their way into French society But when Mazarin met with them, he disagreed with that assessment, and he sent them to a convent together for another eighteen months for further study and refinement Just in case anyone is wondering, why are you not saying her name or tce? as she might have said it in French She eventually moved to Britain. Everybody knew it is hortense and it seemed weird to change pronunciations partway through the episode Neither of these sisters was considered to be particularly exceptional when they were very young In her younger years, Marie was described as awkward and uncooperative, while Hortense was pretty and charming, but also described in terms like etic and insignificant. seventeenth century, French writer Madame de Lafayette wrote of Hortense quote, She was not only the most beautiful of the cardinal's nieces, but she was the most beautiful of all the court beauties Had she been gifted with more intelligence and a greater vivacity of manner, she would have been perfect Not that everyone considered that a weak point for her, for many people found her careless attitude and languid manner distinct attraction Once they got to court, Marie caught the eye of one particular man The king, Louis fourte, with the two teens becoming deeply devoted to one another So this might sound like a pretty great development considering that Cardinal Mazarin was trying to marry his nieces to high ranking men Marie's father was a baron, so marrying the king would have been an enormous step up But Louis needed to marry ideeally, someone who could solidify an alliance between France and another powerful country By sixteen fifty nine, when the king was twenty and Marie was nineteen He was begging to be allowed to marry her. And meanwhile, his mother and her uncle were working to separate them Marie was finally sent away from court in the company of her sisters, Hortens and Marianne Reportedly the last thing she said to him was, quote, Sire, I am leaving you to weep And yet you are king. in spite of efforts to keep them apart Louis and Marie kept up a continual secret correspondence, including sending one another gifts One of these gifts sent from Louis to Marie with a collar that said, I belong to Marie been pretty hard to keep secret Yeah, I gonna keep a puppy secret from everybody In the ends, a marriage was arranged between King Louis XV of France and Maria Theereresa Infanta of Spain and Archduchess of Austria Their marriage was part of the peace of the Pyrenees which ended the Franco Spanish War Louis managed to arrange a brief visit to Marie on his way to make the final marriage negotiations. and during this visit, the two of them had a bunch of very sad apologetic teeen romance conversations. mostost of them happening in front of her sister, Hortons Then after Louis was married, Marie and Hortense followed a process that was outlined in OVIid's cures for love to ritually get rid of anything that might remind her of him or otherwise soothe her heartbreak Meanwhile, Mazarin was working on arranging a marriage for Marie, not just to try to put a final end to her feelings of the king But also because his own health was declining and he wanted to make sure all of his nieces were settled before he died Marie's marriage contract to Italian Prince Lorenzo Unofrio Colona was signed on february twenty first, sixteen sixty one Hortence was married very soon after. Like her sister, she had already captured the interest of someone much more powerful than she or her family. and that was Charles II of England. At the time, though, he was not on the throne of England, he was in exile in France, having fled England during the English Civil Wars. Charles actually proposed to Hortens, but unlike her sister and Louis XVI, the issue wasn't that Charles really needed to make a royal marriage alliance It was that Cardinal Mazaron did not think it was very likely that Charles was actually going to get to return to the British throne. So he declined this offer. He was like, no, I'm not marrying M me toward deposed king would the point of that be However, Charles was indeed restored as monarch in sixteen sixty, which was not long after all of this happened. M a mistake. Instead, Hortense married Armand Chles de Le Borte, who had been considered a suitor for some of her sisters, but who had always been particularly interested in Hortense. interestnterested in a way that multiple people commented on as disturbing and frankly, inappropriate He had been fixated on her since she was nine and he was about fourteen years older than she was When they married on march first of sixteen sixty one, he was twenty nine And she was just fourteen Aam Mazaron's acceptance of this proposal seems to have been largely based on the fact that he thought Arman would take care of his estates and his fortune He had decided that the vast majority of that fortune was going to go to whoever Hortens married, And that person would also become the Duke of Mazarnt and inherit Nazarein's other titles Armand was deeply religious and mature and responsible, so the cardinal didn't think he was likely to just fritter away his inheritance or otherwise make an embarrassment of his legacy Armand came into that inheritance really quickly Cardinal Jules Mazarin died on march ninth, sixteen sixty one just days after the wedding. 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Listen to Joy one hundred one with Hode Koty on the IHart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts In ways, Marie I Hortance Mencini's marriages were similar at first, especially in that both of them were very focused on having babies, and particularly on trying to have a male heir After recovering from a serious illness and then experiencing a miscarriage, Marie gave birth to three sons, Felippo, Marc Antonio and Carlo, who were born in sixteen sixty three, sixteen sixty four, and sixteen sixty five. Cortence had four babies in five years Marie Charlotte in sixteen sixty two, Marie Anne in sixteen sixty three, Marie Oemp in sixteen sixty five, and Paul Jules in sixteen sixty six But in other ways, the early years of their marriages were almost completely opposite from one another It became clear pretty much immediately that Hortense's husband, the new Duke Mazarin, was a religious fanatic to the point of being really irrational He micromanaged minute details of the lives of people who lived on the land that he managed. arguing that by doing so, he was going to save their souls And this included things like trying to get the milkmaids to spend less time milking because he thought they might find it erotic and believing that churning milk into butter was immodest and could lead to arousal Sounds like the milkmaids are not the problem He ordered mothers to teach their babies too fast by refusing to nurse them on Fridays When a fire broke out at the palace, he ordered the servants who put it out to be flogged and he flogged some of them himself because he thought that they had interfered with the will of God He was also extremely possessive and controlling of virtually everything about Hortense's life. By the terms of her uncle's will, they were enormously wealthy as a couple, but almost none of that wealth was exclusively hers. The only thing of material value that was actually considered her property and only hers was her jewelry, which her husband tried to confiscate from her because he said that it was going to lead her into temptation In terms of Marie's marriage, there were some ways that her husband, Lorenzo could be controlling For example, he blamed her pregnancy loss on her love of riding horses And when she got pregnant again, he forced her to give up riding and to be carried on a sedan chair. But unlike Hortense's husband, who tried to lock her away and keep her from anything that might be a temptation Marie's husband wanted to show her off, hosting masked balls and salons and lavish galas They became patrons of the arts, theater and culture, and they spent lots of time in Venice where they crossed paths with past podcast subject Christina of Sweden But Marie's relationship with her husband seems to have really deteriorated around the time of her pregnancy with their third son He had an affair with another woman who gave birth to a child that everyone knew was his. Then Marie had a really difficult delivery and she was worried that she wouldn't survive another pregnancy Combined with her mortification over her husband's affair to lead her to try to put an end to their physical relationship. Lorenzo, of course, was not happy about that idea at all Meanwhile, Hortense, having provided her husband with a male heir, was trying to end her physical relationship with him as well Armand had become incredibly controlling and paranoid about every conceivable thing, all within this framework of extreme religious piety. When Hortense started trying to avoid him, all of that got worse. And contrary to what Cardinal Mazarin had expected Armand was not being that careful with his inheritance. He gave huge amounts of money away to the church and charities, and he bought land that wasn't really going to pay off as an investment Hortens thought that they were going to wind up with nothing, and in sixteen sixty six, she started trying to legally separate their assets This wasn't the same thing as dissolving the marriage. She was just trying to kind of partition off some of their money so that it was under her control just so Armande couldn't spend it all When Arman said that they should pull out their daughter's front teeth so that men would not find them tempting Hortence fled to her sister, Omp Llmp promised to try to protect the children, but she also didn't really want to bring her sister in to live with them full time. So, Olemp tried to mediate between Hortance and Armand Hortents did not think their issues could be reconciled. And when her husband said that she could either live with one of her sisters or go to a convent, she went to the convent While in the convent, Hortense developed an intense relationship with the Marquise Marie Sidoni de Ccelle, who was there under charges of adultery She was seventeen and Hortense was twenty one, and together the two of them ran roughhot over the nuns who were essentially acting as their jailers, including. Playing a whole lot of pranks like putting ink in the holy water That's funny It really sounds almost like a like a weird comedy about a boarding school, like Right playlaying pranks on the teachers. Marie Surni helped Hortense with her legal filings and eventually Hortense did get a partial victory. The court ordered that her husband grant her a pension of twenty thousand lever a year and to document what he was doing with all of their money She was also supposed to return back to their home, while her husband, who was the grandmaster of artillery, would instead live at the Arsenal of Paris Horts left the convent Armand refused to do any of the things he had been ordered to do and also destroyed the theater that Hortense had used to stage small productions at their home while she was away Meanwhile, Marie Sidonie reconciled with her husband, and that was something that made Hortense so jealous that she told him that Marie Sidudonie had been receiving secret visits from another man This led to a duel between Maarie Souoni's husband and her lover, after which Both of them were imprisoned for violating the prohibition on dueling In the face of Arman's increasingly erratic and frightening behavior Horts moved from trying to legally separate their assets into a formal separation from their marriage And on june thirteenth, sixteen sixty eight, she fled to Italy with the help of her brother, Philippe and a friend of theirs, the Chevoier of Rohan She left her children behind, hoping that she would be better able to advocate for them away from her husband She took a couple of servants with her disguised as men. This was just not done Women of her social class did not leave their husbands and they certainly did not travel without male escorts The trip itself involved a perilous journey through the Alps In Milan, Hortense reunited with her sister, Marie, who had come out from Rome with her husband Lorenzo wanted to go back home immediately, but Hortense and Marie convinced him to stop in Sienna for a couple of weeks instead. And there they spent their time riding and hunting Apart from the social norms that Hortens had really abandoned here, this was basically an international incident with Hortz a Duchess fleeing her home in France to join her sister whose husband was an Italian prince Portence also quickly started having an affair with the Chevalier of Rohan's Squire. which was yet another layer of scandal and also came across as a huge annoyance to Marie and Lorenzo. They were sort of like, we're trying to help you out and you're having this public affair with a squire. Why are you doing this More generally though, Lorenzo was annoyed with his wife Marie. They were both living fairly separate lives by this point, but he was increasingly frustrated by how much money she spent on things like and improvements to their home and cultural projects and as well as the many, many outings that she took with her sister In sixteen seventy one, Marie got really sick and people thought her husband was poisoning her. Meanwhile, the Chevalier's squire also accused Philippe and the Chevalier of trying to poison him. This was during the whole affair of the pooisons era. There was a lot There' a whole lot of poison going on. Poisoning and accused poisoning and potential poisoning happening A marriage was arraigned for Philippe that year, and Hortense went with him to Paris to try to get some kind of legal resolution to her marriage. Her husband was irate when he heard how Hortense had been spending her time in Rom She and her sister had filled their time with parties and masked balls and musical performances withith Hortens being so popular with men that two of them allegedly fought a duel over her Arman called for Hortens's arrest, but city officials refused to do it, and he became so irate that he destroyed a lot of their art collection. He smashed the genitals of the statues with a hammer and cut them out of paintings with scissors King Louis fourVI was upset about this. In addition to the king's love of and patronage for art The king and other people also considered this art collection that had been destroyed to have been a national treasure. So whatever goodwill people might have had for Armand at this point really evaporated In France at this time, divorce, as we know it today, really didn't exist. There was a process for separating a couple's assets Hortense had already tried that and separacation de Cur or physical separation, in which a couple were still technically married but lived legally separated lives But this was not common at all, and a lot of people were still pushing for some kind of reconciliation between Hortense and Ormand Hortense proposed that she be allowed to live in a convent with servants that she chose and the freedom to come and go. Based on what had happened with Maurisi Doni de Ccelle, The abbbesses at the conents proposed as options were pretty wary of this whole idea. They did not want any more ink in the holy water Finally, still without the settlement that she wanted Hortons left Paris again. She returned to her sister in Rome in May of sixteen seventy one. And then about a year later Both of them fled We're going to talk more about that after we pause for a sponsor break. Living with a rare autoimmune condition can bring a lot of uncertainty, but it can also bring people together in powerful ways. Tune in for season six of Untold Stories, Life with a severe autoimmune condition, a Ruby Studio production in partartnership with Arenics. This season, host Martine Hackett brings you fresh stories from people living with MG and CIDP and expands the conversation to people living with other rare conditions, like myositis and IgAM Through their stories, you'll learn what it's like to participate in clinical trials seeking new treatments, how connection fuels hope, and how people can support one another along the way. Because living with a rare disease isn't about getting through it, it's about moving forward together. Listen to untold stories, life with a severe autoimmune condition on the IiHart radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything It's the range bit. feeles like it's trying to divide people If we got clear facts, maybe we can calm down a little NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there NBC News orting for America This is Matt Rogers from Los Culturistos with Matt Rogers and Bo and Yang. This is Bo and Yang from Los Culturistis with Matt Rogers and Boen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, wait, that's the reaction a lot of people are having when they first try cutepie Mo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it in the grocery store before And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake because this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. Kubie only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, and almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, some fans even swear by dipping It's a crust in it. And once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere. Chefs use it. restestaurants use it. People who really care about flavor use it. N Never tried it, grab the bottle with the red cap next time you're at the store Put it on just about anything, then you'll understand. Cute be, the original Japanese mayonnaise. Hey, I'm Hoda Coty, host of the podcast, Joy one hundred one with Hoda Cotney. Okay, if you know me, you know this. I'm always searching for inspiration, for support and useful tools to help maximize joy. So this podcast lets us uncover all of that Toget We're going have these meaningful conversations with the world's most fascinating people, likeike when actress Olivia Mun shared how she overcame fierce health challenges that she never saw coming. I've gone through breast cancer and then helped my mother through breast cancer, and that was more difficult. There's a lot of people who understand postpartum depression. I was not prepared for postpartum anxiety. Olympic champ Seaan Johnson revealed why she had no choice but to be a gymnast. There was something about gymnastics that was intoxicating to me. It's given me a belief that we all have one of those treasures inside of us. We just have to find it. Listen to Joy one hundred one with Hodicoty on the IHart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts Marie Mancini's relationship with her husband Lorenzo had clearly been deteriorating for a long time before she fled from Rome with her sister Hortons on may twenty ninth of sixteen seventy two She was afraid of her husband And she admired her sister's will to have left her own husband, Armand. But if there was like some specific last straw that prompted Marie to decide to leave, like I shouldn't note it anywhere. st It may have just come to that point The Mancini sisters wanted to travel unobtrusively, so they didn't take much with them apart from some money and jewelry and a letter of safe passage from King Louis XteI The sisters and two maids all wore men's clothing under their dresses, and they took a valet with them as well They took steps to try to throw people off the trail, like getting a carriage and loudly talking about where they were going, when really they were headed to a boat to make their escape by water Meanwhile, Lorenzo kept sending people to find them and trying to put barriers in the way of their escape. spreading the word that people should not give the sisters any kind of shelter or allow them to pass through areas where he thought they were headed. He also petitioned King Louis XVI to intervene Both Lorenzo and Armand worried about how their wives' behavior would reflect on them And there were broader concerns about how the sisters might inspire other women in unhappy or abusive marriages to also leave have feelings. As the Mancini sisters headed for France, this was once again, an international incident Marie really thought that if she could go speak to King Louis XVI in person that he might support her petition to leave her husband But she couldn't get permission to actually go. Once they were traveling overand again, the two women traveled by post with the hope that they would be harder to track But the king sent messengers to the post stations, telling them to refuse to give the sisters horses That was something that the sisters overcame with bribes After some close calls, Hortons and Marie decided to split up with Marie traveling through France and Hortens going to Chambreay which today is part of France, but at the time was part of the independent Duchy of Savoy There she found a patron with Charles Emmanuel II Duke of Savoy, who had actually been one of the men whose offer of marriage Hortance's uncle had not accepted many years before This duke seems to have thought that Hortense would liven up his court, which she eventually did, but first, she spent a stretch of time Mly in prayer and reflection and writing a whole lot of letters King Louis XVI had offered her some financial support, and so she wrote a lot of letters to the king to try to maintain his goodwill even though she had done something as scandalous as leaving her husband. She also wrote letters to her sister's husband to try to convince him that Marie's leaving had been her own decision notot something that Hortence had forced her or caused her to do. A the end of Hortense's time in Savoy when she was twenty nine, She She wroter memoirs. These were published in sixteen seventy five under the title Memoir D M LDM or Memoir de Madame de Chesse de Mazarin There was already so much rumor and gossip about her life and her relationship with her husband that she just decided to put her own side of the story out there publicly and in print. This made her one of the first women in Europe to publish her own story under her own name and for a general audience, rather than just for her family and friends Meanwhile, Marie was trying to evade various messengers that she knew were carrying orders for her to stop where she was They like if they don't find me, I don't have to stop One of them did finally catch up to her though. And then she was presented with a series of proposals that would involve her returning to her husband She rejected all of those and said that she wanted to enter a convent of her choice, something that she pointed out that thousands of other women had done after being widowed or otherwise separated from their husbands. Once she had made her whole position on this clear, she apparently picked up a guitar and started playing it as though she had just said all she had to say about that and moved on. One of the accounts that I read said that she had kept this guitar with her the entire time since leaving room, but it I also said that they left without a lot of luggage. so I'm not sure where the guitar came from, but I love that story I like the idea of the guitar being her version of L la la, la la, I'm not listening to you Eventually, Marie was allowed to go to a convent in Lise, about forty miles outside of Paris, which is one of the convent's hortents had stayed in previously At first, Marie had regular visits from her sisters Olemp and Marianne, and her husband sent some of her servants with some of her belongings that she had requested But Lorenzo had sent one of those servants to act as a spy. And soon, Marie was being allowed visits only from her sisters. Marie later moved to another convent that was farther from Paris, but she was even less happy there It wasn't as comfortable, and she said that the air was bad and made her sick At one point, Marie arranged a visit to her sister, Hortens, but Portin seems to have intentionally avoided Marie by going on a trip to the country instead I don't think this was just a case of bad timing. I think it was on purpose. Portence may have been worried that if she really welcomed her sister, she would run afoul of some of the good graces that at that point were keeping her relatively safe. But When Marie later wrote to Hortense, asking for her protection, Hortense and the Duke of Savoy arranged for Marie to enter a convent in Turin Marie was just really hoping to find a place where she would have a little more comfort and autonomy. But after a really perilous journey through territory that was caught up in the Franco Dutch warar In the winter, she wound up at a convent where she had even less freedom than she'd had before After Hortense's memoirs were published, Marie got a copy The memoirs had been so popular that other people started writing and publishing fake versions of their own Some of these were wildly inaccurate about both sisters, including totally distorted versions of Marie's experiences So she followed in her sister's footsteps and she published her own memoir Truth in its own light or the genuine memoirs of M. Mancini Constablles Colona Around this time, Hortence was working on plans to leave Savoy. She and her staff just kind of weren't getting along with people anymore As she was trying to make those arrangements though, the duke died suddenly on june twelfth, sixteen seventy five at the age of only forty The Duke's son, Victor Amadeus II was only nine, so his widow was acting as regent, but she had really never been a fan of Hortense She told Hortense that she was no longer welcome at the late Duke's court The Duke's death was also a blow to Marie because even though she had not been living in Savoy, I'm not sure if these two ever even actually met