The Jackie Chan Endorsement Curse

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People like hearing about curses, even though you know, it's not a real thing, right Yeah, yeah. but I would call silliness fun. inherently Okay, well, then we're in agreement I just wanted to clear up whether or not we were cursed cast because we are. Weve had Pretty good success. Is that our curse Well, no, don't you remember we have a curse on other people's TV shows and our own actually Oh That's right. when we would mention something, a TV show would get cancellled, right No, when we would go on a TV show, it would get canceled. Oh thatact. Yeah. It happened to, I don't remember the name of her program, but one of Solidad O'Brien's shows. Yeah The Whatever show with Alexis and Jenniferh daytime talk show Prosten it up, I think it's called And I'm sure there's more, but like all three of those, we went on and like seriously within weeks, they were canced off the air or something Now I'm suddenly glad we never went on Conan O'Brien. Yeah, really So yes, we have our own curse, which is hilarious and wonderful because I think that's just one more One more feather to put in our cap you know? That's right. And as you pointed out, when we went on our own TV show, that was also canceled Yeah, that was bound. to happen. Actually not cancellled. I always say cancellled. It was not renewed. There's a difference Oh yeah, there was a big difference Cancecel is like, just stop, stop, just stop Yeah. Amy dude is like You know we covered one show last week that had a radar show for Mash had a pilot and that got canceled Yeah, it like mid air basically. Yeah before it hit the West cooast. So that made me feel a lot better So let's just say let's just give a little heads up to everybody, especially the people who are like, all I want is science from Stub You S should know. This is like I said, it's a little silly. You said it's going to be fun. A lot of this stuff is just legend. So we kind of tried to fact check as much as we could, but Back checking is a little bit beyond the point because When you start to look into them, everything just falls apart. So that's why, you know, we're basically doing an anthropological view. of some famous curses or interesting curses that aren't necessarily famous. That's right. And we're going to start with cururse on Brunswick Springs and that is a place in Brunswick, Vermont. Yeah. that has has a spring. It has actually six of them And each one of these, they're pretty great springs. They have some different minerals flowing out of each one, magnesium sulfur, bromide, calcium, iron and arsenic. And because, you know, springs are a great place to heal oneself depending on what's going on with you and what the spring can offer And so obviously a lot of people over the years, have tried to, you know capitalize and charge money on these springs Not anymore No, they actually kind of stopp trying. and the reason why is because there's a curse on the springs We'll see what the deal is that Starting now Itounds like you're gonna say right after this break or something Let's talk about the Abennaki Chuck. Yeah, they are an Algonquin speaking tribe and they have lived in that area Brunswick Vont is a lovely area so don't blame them. but they've been living there for about twelve thousand years And they obviously were the first ones to say like, hey, this spring is pretty great because they are a indigenous tribe, they considered it a sacred place And they thought that the Springs had mystical healing powers in At the very least, they probably have some sort of health benefits But this is like sacred ground of the Abennak. It still is, as a matter of fact And so as part of their oral tradition and as far as legend goes too During the French and Indian War, The Aennaki brought a wounded French soldier Remember, French and India war doesn't mean the French were fighting the Native Americans, they were fighting together against the British. Right So the French soldier was fighting alongside the Aennaki. He got wounded and depending on who you ask, either he was wounded in his arm and was probably going to lose it. He was mortally wounded The point of the story is that he was wounded. They took him to Brunswick Springs. and he was miraculously cured by the spring water. It was a really bro gesture of the Abenaki to do that for him. Yeah, for sure. So Obviously that soldier is like, Hey, worked wonders for me. I think I can probably make a little money on this thing. So he returned later. After he was healed, he took over the spring basically and started bottling and selling the water. And the Aennaki confronted him and like, this is no good There was a bit of a tiff that broke out and bloodshed as a result. There was the death of a man and his infant child, which is super sad. and the wife and mother of those two basically said, all right You know what that means? It's curse time Anyone from here till the end of time comes along and I'm summarizing, of course.. It comes along and tries to exploit these sacred springs for profit shall be cursed and it will not be a success Yeah, which is kind of a mild curse for having just lost your husband and baby. And Yeah, I would say like and also you suffer illness and disease and die. Right, exactly So very shortly after that, the British won essentially the French Indian War and the Aennaki were removed from the area around the Brunswick Springs and they were essentially moved out of the way by British colonists who settled around there U And so they essentially lost control over their sacred ground And a hundred years after that, Somebody finally was like, we're going to build a resort here. L these are this is a spa right? So they build a spa resort And there's a website called the Vermontter And they did a great story on this, but they turned up a hotel brochure from the eighteen sixties And it said that this the spa offered Medicine waters from the Great Spirit. So just to add insult to injury. notot only have they been like, this is our spring. now, thanks. you go move somewhere else They were like, by the way Even the Native Americans think this is pretty amazing. So come pay. to stay here. So the hotel actually did fairly well for the first few decades and then the curse finally woke up and was like, where am I? Oh yeah, I better get to business That's right. I'm surprised when they included that medicine waters from the Great Spirit. Like they were really asking for it at that point. But ye that didn't awaken the curse. But you were right. What would awaken the curse would be when a dentist took it over. and expanded the resort and this was in eighteen ninety four and it burned to the ground. About twenty years after that, a guy named John Hutchins the place, rebuilt it. and this was in nineteen twenty nine That also burned down. So he's like, all right, I guess I'm going to rebuild it again. And I'm going to add a couple more hotels to make it worth my while They all burned down in nineteen thirty and nineteen thirty one. So he was like, all right, I guess this place really is cursed. I'm out of here. Yeah And since then no one's tried to rebuild there again in the ruins of the hotel are still around. It's pretty cool. There's some good photos of it on that Vermontter website There's like a couple foundations, the old train platforms there. There's some staircases that go into an old cellar Um, but There's never going to be anyone who tries their hand at it again who says, forget this curse. I'm going to try and build my own spa and see if that burns down why Chuck Well, because the Abenaki tribe actually purchased the land around the Srings and sold it to Vermont. They said, all right, we're going to sell this to you. this just a few years ago. Now it's held in a trust. And it's not ever going to be developed Pretty neat, huh? Yeah, it's great That's a great end of that story. Agreed. And the Chris was able to fall back asleep. Go back to sleep dockers and where you're gonna wake up in Hollywood Calorn Well, hold on, let's have Jerry put some interstitial Christmas music in between these. All right, so who Ray for Hollywood. This is one I had heard of before, the curse of Au It's pretty well regarded curse as far as, you know, in Hollywood circles. there was a script based on a book. It was a nineteen sixty three satirical Canadian novel called The Incomparable Ak by Mordecaai Rickler And it's about an Inuit hunter and poet. from Canada who was discovered by a documentary crew and brought back to the big city of Toronto. And is, you know, it's sort of like a King Kong thing. It's like an exotic curiosity. and of course as, you know, you would expect once I took is in the city. It's like a fish out of water story. But then he realizes like how awesome Toronto is and how great it is to be a big city guy and to be famous and kind of rich. Yeah. And so he wants to fit in there and live that life and eventually runs for office. It's a great satirical novel. It's essentially the antithesis of Crocodile Dundee. because remember, he moved to the big city. But he changed the big city, The big city didn't change him That's right. And there was actually a line and a took where he had a knife pulled on him and he said That is a knife That was really worth the effort. It really was You got there eventually. It took me four takes everybody. Good Lord I've never heard so many beeps in one spot. Oh gosh, Okaykay. Jerry I can just see Jerry editing this with her face at her hand. This needs to go in her per reel that Jerry doesn't do anymore. U So what? the book came out in nineteen sixty eight and it was aptioned within three years few six or three, but yeah sixty three, IO sixty eight. Oh okay. so yeah, I guess it took a little while for the Americans to catch on Um They The script was purchased. It took a few years to turn it into a script to adapt it And when they did adapt it, they Americanized it. so that I took didn't come from the northern reaches of Canada, I took came from Alaska and he wasn't taken to Toronto, he was taken to New York, right? Yeah So That did not trigger this movie getting made. I guess I mean, you would know way better than me But I mean percentage of scripts actually get made? Like are there way more scripts out there that have just been passing passed around for years and years or is that actually kind of rare Yeah, I wonder what the percentage is. I mean, if you're talking about scripts that actually get like bought by a studio Uum I bet ten percent of those get made into movies. Maybe not w. Wow. Well, this was one of them. It was it was passed around Hollywood for years and years and years. It just never got made Over the years, there were plenty of people who are like, this is a great script. I want to do this movie And the first to step up came in nineteen eighty two, the beginning of nineteen eighty two An actor named Jon Bellui, I think Bellishy Bellishy. sorry. He got his hands on it and he's like, I love this script. I'm gonna actually star as a took. And I guess the ball didn't even begin to get rolling. It was sitting there held in place by inertia still before Beelashet died He died very sadly at age thirty three in the Chateau Mermont Hotel from doing drugs from a speedball. Yes, veryer famously. I get the picture of Dook is probably a big fella Yeah because everybody that is followed in Belushci's footsteps has been uh you know, of larger proportions. So after Belu she passed, it went back into turnaround. 's been a few more years getting kicked around and then Sam Kennison The great comedian signed on in nineteen eighty eight and they actually started filming, right I think they got eight days into it. Okay. Did you know real quick Sam Kennison was a fire and brimstone itinerant preacher? Yeah didid not know that he started out like that. That makes sense. I can totally see it, but wow Um so yeah, they filmed this filmed eight days worth of this movie and I guess Sam Kinnison hadn't really read the script because after point he's like, hey, I really want some more say in like what the script rewrites are going to do. and The studio was like,, we're not really happy about that. And Keniston was like, Ohh yeah, well I'm going to deliver a terrible performance. And the studio said, Ohh yeah, well we're going to sue you. And they did. They filed a lawsuit against him It got pretty ugly. So production was obviously halted and it was still sort of in being contested When Sam Kinnison Very sadly died in a car wreck in nineteen ninety two at age thirty eight Okay All right, that's a little weird so far. To actors who've tried to play it took have died young But surely that doesn't mean anything, right? curses aren't real although it is real. Because if you continue on just a few more years, it took, the script, claimed more lives. Right In nineteen ninety six, screenwriter Michael O'Donoghue, who, I believe was an SNL guy. Yes. The original script wrriter looked him up. I can't remember his name now. Maybe it was Todd Car or something. He was a national lampoon guy And maybe Michael O'Donoghe was, too. So it was kind of in that world. Longwave saying, he took over, did some rewrites and recruited none other than the great great John Candy And very sadly, we all know what happened to John Candy. He passed away at the age of forty three of a heart attack. And O'Donahghague also died of a cerebral hemorrhage ty So that was a double curse. And this is the point where I can remind everybody to go out and watch the John Candy documentary because it is wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Okay, good. thank you for that One other thing about that, John Candy and Michael O'Donahghue died the same year In nineteen ninety six, which was also the same year. that they decided to make this movie W that not clear? No Okay. So that was, I mean, that to me, that's like That's very surprising, okay I'm also you guys, I'm not this really this credulous, but it is very interesting to me, okay For sure What happened the next year, Chuck? surely, the horrible reign of terror of I took came to an end after John Candy and Michael O'Donoughy. No no. I think you know who's coming very sadly. if there's one more person kind of waiting in the wings for this kind of role It's Chris Farley, of course. In nineteen ninety seven. He decided to take on this role. and got his buddy Pil Hartman on board And we should doubly point this out They died before they could get that movie made the very same year That same year sameame year. Yeah. Chris Farley died That's right. The next year Bhill Hartman died, we did a whole episode on him. Yeah that was a good one Yeah. so I mean, there's a bunch of deaths People tagged on to a took And a took still hasn't been made. It's a very weird curse. As far as Hollywood curses go and there's plenty of those. It's a strange curse if you ask me the people at Tales from Development Hell website They did a pretty good article on this and they pointed out that if a took is a killer script, there's other killer scripts out there that all those same people were attached to. att least Balushi, Kenison Candy and Farley were Yeah, the u Very famously the great, great book A Confederacy of Duce's has never been madeade. and there's been h just tons and tons of people attached. I think Phip Semour Hoffman was attached to that as well And he passed away Will Farrell was attached? There's been a lot of people attached because it's just such a great great book. Did you ever read that No, I Is it just about like southern foles or is it like better It's better. Okay Yeah, it's good What's a fable just a unique kind of sometimes negative characteristic or trait or habit or something like that. Just something that makes somebody themsel and notot like other people that you kind of have to put up with if you're going to love that person. How about that? So I have many foibables Oh, I have a lot of fores too What's the other one? The Fatty Arbuckle biopic. All those guys were attached to that at one point as well That's weird that all of those guys and Philip Seymour Hoffman were attached to Confederacy of Dunces too. That's interesting. Yeah I'm glad you mentioned Will Ferrell though, because I want to take a second and give a PSA The defensive Will Farrerow And John C. Rileilly and their movie Holmes and Watson. Oh, yeah, you texted me you liked it, right? Yes. Okay we did our episode on, I guess Sherlock Holmes Yeah. We got a lot of hate from people who were like, that movie sucked. It's terrible. And it's got like a really bad rating Generally, it's supposed to be just one of the worst movies. so I'm glad you liked it. That is wrong I mean, if you're going in looking for any kind of highbrow cinema, yes you're going to be deeply disappointed. But if you're familiar with the cinema of John. Rilly and Will Ferrell together Yeah, you're going to actually be pleasantly surprised, especially if you think you're going in there like this movie kind ofcks. It's cute. It's good mov As far as those movies are concerned. I want to check it out now. Well yeah, wasas there a Catalina wine mixer in that one No, there was not. No, nothing like that. It was a very u It was true to the period Well, I kind of want to see it now, so. You should see it. I texted to you and told you to see it. this is what it takes for you to finally listen to me I'm going to my foidles, and we'll be back after. you came along no This is Raly Divlua from a really goodood Cry. I've been doing Reformer pilates for years now and it's always been one of those workouts that I come back to. It makes me feel stronger, connected to my body and flexible all at the same time. But haaving a reformer at home has completely changed it for me. There's no rushing to class, no schedule to work around, and I can move when I want how I want, whether that's a full workout or just ten minutes to rearch. And I've noticed I actually listen to my body more. Some days I push, some days I slow down, but I'm more consistent because it fits into my life. 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And we are talking about the curse of Tamer lame originally T Mor the lame and we very much need to point out here that Celling someone lame is not a word that we use anymore. Ver much antiquated term, but that was what they called Timur And it was then anglicized to Tamer laname, T A M E R L A N E Tamer lane Not lame, right So maybe they were already getting the picture, like this's not a nice thing to say. Right He was a fourteenth century Mongol warlord. I don't know if he was a descendant probably, but He was certainly a successor to Genghis Khan or Chhingis Khan And very much like Cingis Khan, he was responsible for the deaths of lots and lots of people.. The number that I see bandied about most frequently is seventeen million people. Oh geez. Which even more impressive is that that is about five percent of the entire global population at the time. That's how many people died as a result of Tamerane's conquests. Yeah. And I think by impressive, you mean depressing Yes, exactly. I mean, if you are impressed by large numbers, regardless of whatent That's all I mean. Yeah So what are you into large numbers Yeah, listen to this one. seventeen million. Whoa Very impressed. What are you talking about? Deaths this date is over. U so he was known as the Sourge of God and he was a member of the Barlas tribe or the Barlas tribe. and well, you already spoiled that one and what is now Uuvikistan. And they he was, you know, he did what they do. they sacked cities all over the place Moscow, Persia, Delhi, Damascus, you name it And he's, you know, known as one of the, you know, I hate saying great, but one of the great conquerors Yeah. I mean, as far as conquerors and all the terrible things that's attendant with being a conqueror or being conquered by a conqueror, he is often placed on equal footing with Darius I first. Alexander the Great, Cingis Khan again Andarius Rucker Y, Eactly Wait, wait, as the Hooodie frontm or as a country star I think he's conquered all. Okay. well, then yeah, Darius Rucker makes sense One of the things though is about some of these conquerors, including Tamerlane He was also credited with spreading a lot of culture too. and there's actually a type of archecture architectural style called Timud Um, and that you can find in the capital city of Samarkand in Uzbekistan. It's incredibly ornate and colorful and beautiful. and it's credited to his reign That's great Yeah, that's about the best thing you could say. You were trying to find something positive sureure If you go look up pictures of that kind of architectural style, you'd be like, wow That guy is impressive It's very nice I know you guys are all going like, okay, jeez, guys Is he cursed or not? Yeah. So it turns out there was a curse. He died in fourteen o five during his last campaign. He fell ill. And he was put in an ebony coffin and entombed in a mausoleum at a mosque in Sameran. And he was there just, you know Eombed as a dead person for about five hundred years until Stalin came along in nineteen forty one and said, you know what I want to see if this guy truly had apparently the lame and again, I hate even using that words, but his issue was that he had issues with both his right limbs, his right arm and his right leg and Stalin sounds like he wanted to get down to the nitty gritty and see if that was really true Yeah, I also get the impression that Stalin was also flexing his power like over his vassal states, you know saying like you' this conquering hero that's like the most revered person in your culture, I can them up basically if I want to. Yeah yeah. One of the other points of the expedition was that the leader of the expedition, Mikhael Jerzimoff He was a renowned forensic reconstructionist. So he was going to take Tamerlaine skull and basically do a lifel likeness of him from right So here's the problem with all that There's a there was an inscription, they say on Timmer's tomb that read Whossoever disturbs my grave shall unleash a conquer greater than I So they enter Timmer's tomb, they Disentomb him, I guess is what you would call that They exhume him Yeah, but I think exoe means take out of the ground. This is t out of the tomb. right good point. Yeah. So they take him out of his tomb. Let's just stop being Hidy tooidy Um, and Two days later, twow days later Hitler rolls across the Russian border, the Western Russian border in the biggest land invasion ever before or since, it's called Operation Barbarosa. And how many days later was this just to Two twoo days after they disentombed toer The setting of two ss. That's all. I actually saw it put like that So yeah, it was a massive invasion, nearly four million German and Axis troops. flooded there to help out U likeike you said, it's the largest invasion in history and as many as sixteen million quite seventeen, but's still a big number, and so I hope we're all impressed. Sure. Russian civilians, just civilians alone were killed and millions more, obviously soldiers were killed. And it just the bloodshed kept going on while Germany was there in Russia. And It was it was a bad scene. It was a terrible scene, right? So like the the tide eventually did turn And one of the battles that the whole thing turned on was the Battle of Stalingrad which is considered still to this day, the bloodiest urban battle in history the USSR lost one point one million soldiers fighting in just this one city, right? Yeah. The Battle of Stalingrad ended about the same time that Stalin ordered Timmer's remains to be re entombed. I mean, as the legend goes, Stalin got a little spooked And was like, all right, well, maybe this thing, you know, this curse happened because of what I did And so they put him back in there And that was it. They were they were repelled the Germans were repelled from the USSR But here's the deal The curs is kind of, not only obviously are cursse is not real, but this one doesn't even seem to be real at all, right? Stalin couldn't have even gotten cagey about the curse because it seems to have been invented not until two thousand three. And how did that happen Well, our friend Craig Collins on the site Hidden Compass. He's the one who said two sunset beforefore the Nightes. invaded for real Yeah he had a really good article about it Um He found a Russian documentary from two thousand three and they mention I get the sense it's a very history channel esque documentary from Russia they mention a book that they don't name, they don't show, but they say in the book there was inscribed this curse saying like, if you dig me up or disisten to me, I'm going to unleash a conquer on you Um That seems to have kind of translated into this idea that that curse was inscribed on his tomb Oh that we we know for a fact it was not inscribed on his tomb because that same Soviet team that dis entombed tumor They copied down all of the inscriptions. One of them went back and translated them all and published it as a book. There wasn't a single curse in there curse But the rest of the stuff is fairly accurate. The timing actually is still pretty accurate. It's just the fact that there wasn't an actual stated curse is the thing Wow indeed, I think. But so let's start talking about tens of millions of people dying, Chuck. And let's start talking more about baseball Yeah, America's pastime. We're not going to talk about the curse of the Bambino and the Red Sox. We're going to talk about the other great curse, the curse of the Gat involves the beloved Chicago Cubs, a team that I have grown to love. Yeah merely by growing up watching them on WGN after schoolool and by going to Wriglely Field now a few times. Yeah I tell everybody Wigglyfields the easiest ballpark to just walk right into. It's wonderful Yeah, it's the best. You don't even need a ticket. So let's get back on the way back. Let's get back in the way back machine, Chuck And talk about somebody who actually did have a ticket and still had a problem getting in We're going to go back to october sixth, nineteen forty five, a particularly Chilly day And when we show up at Wigley Field, we're going to find that the cubs are scheduled to play the Tigers in game four of what's known as the World Series of Baseball That's right. And the guy trying to get in was a bar owner. He owned a tavern called the Lincoln Tavern on Madison. His name was William Sianis He's a Greek immigr And it got a couple of box seats for seven dollars and twenty cents apiece Walked up to Wrigley Field withith his pet goat, Murphy Mur if he had a little blanket on because it was unseasonably chilly for early October And there was a sign on Murphy that said, we got Detroit's goat and he's like, this will be great. I'm gonna go in here with my goat I love this goat and we're going to watch the ball game And the kid at the gate said,, sir. I don't think you can have a goat in here That's my best Simpsons guy. That was pretty pretty close too. Pretty good. Yeah. And so they rejected him and he was not allowed to come in. No. And so Sienis, I mean, he was fairly well known. I don't know if cononnected' the right word. But he owned what was known as the Lincoln Tavern, I think you said He had since renamed it before this, the Billy Goat Tavern because Murphy as a kid had fallen off some truck back in nineteen thirty four and wandered into the Lincoln Tavern And CMis was like, you're now the mascot. Apparently he even formally adopted Murphy through court And Murphy had great homes. So these guys have been friends for over ten years by the time this incident happened So u Sanis is like, you know what? I got just enough clout to get in touch with Philip K. Riggley. I want him to say I can't come in before I'll accept it That's right. So he pleaded his case. He said, I went to goat court for this guy And it's all legal and everyone loves Murphy. You should see people the at the tavern And Riggley apparently supposedly said Uh, no. And then he said, let Billy in, but not the goat Yuck yk. And when he was like, well, why not the goat? I went to goat court and everything, Wriglely said because the goat stinks Which he didn't need to say that. like goats have an odor and everybody knows that. You don't have to point it out So Cenis was like, I'm not going to take this sitting down. He stood up He said My pride has been wounded. You have inced insaulted my gatfriend of more than a decade So he cursed the cubs right then and there. apparently exclaimed the cubs ain't in a wind no more The cubs will never win a world series so long as the goat is not allowed in Wriiggly field. And he stormed off with Murphy in tow There's another version that says that they were allowed in, but they ended up getting kicked out because other fans complained that Murphy was trying to eat their food And then the curse happened either way, They got cursed because Murphy was not allowed to sit and watch the game All right, I think that's a great cliffhanger because we got to see what happened to the cubs And we'll find that out right after this You came along and it was like This is Ry Div Luka from a really G good Cry. I've been doing reformer pilates for years and I always loved how it made me feel. But getting to a class, not so much. Now I have a reformer at home, it has completely changed my routine. I'll do twenty minutes in the morning, sometimes in the evening, sometimes both, no commute, no scheduling around a class, no pressure to keep up with anyone else It's just me moving in a way that feels good that day. 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And so just for people like me who don't follow baseball or at least don't follow ball stance they have a decimal involved. They had fifteen winning seasons over ty seven years And that just means that in those seasons they won More games than they lost, right That is terrible, especially Chuck when you consider to that curse, the cubs were one of the best teams in baseball and had been their entire existence, they'd won the World Series the year before the Curse two So this was like a real reversal of forune for the cubs and it seems to have hinged on The curse of the Billy Goat. Murphy That's right. So you know, because baseball is fun and people like doing Goofing around with kind of lore like this They tried over the years to lift this curse. They're like, we'll do some fun stuff. So in nineteen seventy three, the new owner of the Billy Goat Tavern, Sam Sianis, who was the nephew to William. brought the goat to Wiggly ays I's got to lift this curse. The goat showed up, I think this was a descendant of Murphy, Socrates showed up in a white limousine with a red carpet entrance. withith a sign that said All is forgiven, let me lead the cubs to the pennant but the grandson of the initial denier said U I don't think you can bring that code in here still What I don't get is Did they really like set this all up for a red carpet and still didn't let them in? Like so the cubs were not involved? No, they weren't involved. There was, I think a Chicago tribune columnist who was kind of with the whole thing. Okay the cubs were not I guess informed ahead of time or like surely they knew this was coming. There was a red carpet out there. Yeah, they saw the red carpet and they were like, no, this isn't happening. So they actually turned a second goat away, a descendant of Murphy's like you said in nineteen seventy three. That's not what you do when you're trying to lift a curse. And so this curse continued on for many, many more years But over those same years, Chuck, the cubs changed hands several times I think the tribune owned them for a while And some of these later owners they had a different feeling about letting a goat in the park. They were a little more goat friendly They're like if you can have a bunch of guys racing around the field in a foot race dressed as hardware and tools Yeah at least that's what they have at the Brave Stadium. Is it just the raraves I've wondered? Well, I mean, it's a Home Depot thing, which is Atlanta. So I mean, they do all kinds of funny races. I think sometimes in In some cities it's like a sausage, races a broad wororst, rac is a hot dog. I bet I can go cities. Yeah, it's a drill that races a hammer and then like a wrench or something. I don't know. but At any rate, they're like, if we can do that kind of silliness We can let a goat in here to lift this curse. and at the very least it'll be some fun press. Right. So they did. There were actually a number of times, Sam Senis who led in Socrates in nineteen seventy three or tried to, they brought him back. And with other descendants of Murphy over the course of a few decades he would walk the goout around the field and say, like, we're lifting the curse. We're lifting the curse, right? Yeah Remember they only had four post season appearances nineteen eighty four, eighty nine, ninety eight and two thousand three? That's right All four of those postseason appearances came on years when they brought in Murphy's descendants to try to lift the curse Okay, this is what I want to know. was were those the only four times they brought the descendant in. those Yes as far as I understand, yes, those those were the only four times over that span of those years when they brought them in. I I'm pretty sure I think that seals the deal then. It This one is actually real. Yes. And Chuck they finally removed the curse since twenty sixteen. Sam Sianis did with help from the ghost of Murphy Yeah. So in this case, Sam Sen has rang the Tcani Beill that was worn by the original goat in the nineteen forty five World series. And that year, as everyone knows, in twenty sixteen U the Cubs won it all. They They beat the Cleveland Indians and it was kind of one of the one of the great worldorld series. It ended in very dramatic fashion. Yeah. it went in extra innings in game seven And I think that was the game that he rang the bill, right? Yeah, apparently he rang it while they were going into extra innings in the Cubs one That's incredible. Yeah. As they say, cubs win Cubs win Cubs Willan. Man, that is a great hairy carry. Uh Let's move on, Chuck. Let's head on over to Hong Kong That's right. Jackie Chan, one of my favorites. Although I haven'ten a movie of this in a while, we did watch the And I had never seen them. I might have talked about this on the show, but the one with Owen Wilson, the Westerns, what were those? Shanghai noon. Shanghai noon and it's sequel and I don't know why I never saw those. And they were both quite delightful, especially to watch with, you know, like a nine or ten year old How do you know they were delightful if you've not seen them No, I did see them. Oh, I see. okay. I had not seen them up until like last year when I finally saw them. Gotcha. Yeah, he does make some pretty delightful movies. Rumble in the Bronx was pretty good. I love that one, yeah. Rush hours were fairly fine. I did not see those. They were watchable Chris Chris Tucker is pretty great like Chris Tucker. At any rate, Jackie Chain is pretty big in the West, but he is He can eclipse the sun in China. He's been an enormous star since the eighties when he started starring in movies. He started out as a stunt man and he kind of came Well, I don't want to sayay in the other side of the camera, but he actually started acting in front of a camera that was rolling and filming. essentially But as himself, not as some other actor. I guess is what I'm trying to say And then he became a star very quickly. and this is a time well in the entire world where the internet wasn't around, but I think China had access to it even later than other people. So the choice of stars to choose from was much more limited, which let Jackie Chanis get bigger and bigger and bigger over the years. So he's huge in China. He is and My friend, I think you missed your calling. You could have been a director with your knack for the Vvernacular Yeah maybe the ignort Chuck All right, so Jackie Chan gets famous in the United States finally. Thatumble Rumble in the Bronx that you mentioned was his, I think his first big American film in nineteen ninety five Uh, I'm not going to count, um the Canniball runun movies Oh was he in there In the original ones I mean, surely they haven't been remade, right? I think they have. Have they really? I think I just say stuff though sometimes. He He was in Cnball run. Okay L like wait a minute. now I'm doubtingself. I'm pretty sure remember there were the two you know, the two I think they were supposed to be Japanese in the movie that didn't speak English that were racing and I think Jackie Chann was one of them, but now I'm doubtingself I don't know. We'll look up maybe. I thought they only used Italian actors to play Japanese people back. Oh, yeah, that's tr. Old Hollywood U But here's where Jackie Chan's curse comes in because He has endorsed a lot of brands over the years as a pitch person And a lot of those brands have gone out of business after he pitched them Yeahes, so much so that there's a what they call a Jackie Chan curse where if you are going to take advantage of his fame basin in the glow of his glory and say, hold this product while I take a photo of you and then turn that photo into billboards and maybe we'll have you move around with my product and turn those into actual commercials too that we'll put on television you do so at your own risk because there's a lot of companies that have taking a noseedive after they hired him as their pitchman That's right, by the way, confirmed that was Jackie Chan in Cannibball Run. Wowy But I have a feeling he didn't speak English at the time and I don't think the character spoke English, so it didn't matter. He learned everything he knows about acting from Dom Del Lise Maybe so who I met when I was six years old. Oh yeah Yeah, I met Dom Del Loise walking around Stow Mountain Park one time and I was delighted because I was a big, big cannonball run fan and He signed an envelope You know, when you get autographs in those days before the selfie and u My mom had a bill Like with the little cellophane window And he signed that envelope. So somewhere in my past had Tom LelEs name scribbled on a bill to Georgia power. That's wonderful U So should we read through some of these that went out of business? Yeah, because some of them went out of business in fairly dramatic fashion too. Yeah, I'm going to pick this one then. Senir frozen dumpling company went out of business after staff was found in their dumplings Yeah There's a company that made video compact disks, also known as VCDs They went bankrupt and the head of the company went to jail for fraud after they hired him. Wait, is it VCD something