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If AI Is Sentient Then So Is ‘Age of Empires II’

Jun 23, 202653 min
Summary

In this episode of The 404 Media Podcast, the hosts examine a provocative paper by AI researcher Adrian DeWinter that asks an absurd question: If large language models (LLMs) are sentient, then why isn't the video game Age of Empires II? Using sandbox game mechanics, DeWinter constructed a functional neural network within the game using goats as signal carriers to demonstrate that human-like computational processes do not equate to consciousness. The discussion explores how humans tend to anthropomorphize technology simply because we interact with it through chat interfaces. The hosts argue that labeling LLMs as sentient is a philosophical trap, noting that even experts struggle to define consciousness, and that the term is often used too loosely by those within the AI industry. The second half of the episode shifts to a local investigation regarding a contentious land dispute in Taylor, Texas. The hosts detail the story of a farming family who deeded land to the city in 1999 specifically to be used as a public park. Decades later, that land was sold for ten million dollars to a developer for a massive, speculative data center project, sparking a legal battle over the validity of the original deed.

Updated Jun 24, 2026

About This Episode

We start this week with Matthew’s story about a fascinating paper that argues if LLMs are sentient, then by those metrics so is the classic game Age of Empires II. After the break, Matthew tells us about a wild story out of Texas with a data center being built on land that was donated to be a park. In the subscribers-only section, we talk hacking and basketball.

Story 1
01:20 If AI Is Sentient, So Is Age of Empires II
04:21 The Researcher Behind the Goat LLM Paper
06:16 How a Neural Network Was Built with Goats
08:37 Why We Anthropomorphize AI
12:03 Can LLMs Ever Be Conscious?

Story 2
16:48 Farmer Donated Land for a Park, Now It's a Data Center
18:34 Pamela Griffin's Family History
20:16 The Promise of a Community Park
22:47 Following the Paper Trail
25:25 Is the Data Center Deal Legal?
27:47 Why the City Wants the Data Center
30:33 Are Data Centers Being Built on Speculation?

Story 3
33:40 Joseph Accidentally Becomes a Basketball Fan
36:26 Madison Square Garden Hack Explained
39:49 Celebrity Data, Risk Scores & Ben Stiller
42:59 MSG's Activist Surveillance Dossier
47:42 Facial Recognition Bans & Secret Watchlists


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