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Car Talk from National Public Radio with us Click and Clack to Tapper Brothers. and we're broadcasting this week from the womomen's stududies department here at Car Talk Plaza. And I know My brother's gonna get himself in trouble. so I want to distance myself in advance from anything he's going to say Is that a wise move? Well, I mean, all I can say is that I'm just a messenger here I don't want to be blamed for things that other people send to us in the mail. But I don't read them on the air, Cider me distanced. Coward. comeome on. Ghead This is the Center for Women's Studies and this is I'm going for coffee. How do you like yours? This is a list of expressions that you may hear from women with high stress And here they are Allow me to introduce myselves That's the kickoff. H is one And your crybaby whiny opinion would be Yeah have you run across this woman? I haven't Oh. I like that. in your cry baby whiny opinion would be. here's all about this. Well, this day was a total waste of makeup I'm not crazy. I've just been in a bad mood. thirty years. I just want revenge. Is that so wrong You say I'm a witch like it's a bad thing. Is it time for your medication or mine? And this one is Louis's favorite I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly alert. Yeah. Well, I yeah, I thumped into women like that Not in my house, of course No, no, no, no, no, no, no no never. But I know I understand that there are women who are under stress who would say things like this, but not in my house Okay continue. You trying to get me into trouble. No. No. I have nothing more to say. I think a little elaboration is necessary. I think I have heard and your cry baby whinning opinion would be. I think I've heard that somewhere. An Any of the others? Well, I think I've heard, o, here's what I missed. Eerrors have been made and others will be blamed I remember that one. Yeah Mhm. Any others You're trying to get me in trouble? No, why would I do that I know you are. That's it. I'm not going to say another word But But why do women get away with stuff like this? I mean, if guys said things like this, are you said what? like stupid stuff like this? O even felt things like this. First of all, we would be ashamed to say them And secondly, we would we just wouldn't say them I mean, if I ever said to you and your cry baby whiny opinion would be No, I've just said That sounds like a croc to me. Oh, I see. So so can we drop it I don't think so. You started it. You figure out how to get out of it. Yeah. I know how to get out of it. One eight eight eight, two, two, seven, eight two, five, five Hello, you're on cart talk. And The opinions previously expressed belong entirely to too my brother Thomas, Mazzi. Hello, you're on cart talk P Pueblo. government printing office, the storefront. only place people knowice about Right. What's up, Sim? I have a nineteen eighty six Nissan Stanza wagon four by four. Jeez, that's a that's a rare vehicle Wow The car has went back and forth between a good friend of mine and myself Each time we have a kid that turns sixteen, we give it to the other one Oh. I thought you were just selling it back and forth to each other because you had such bad memories. And the price keeps going down. All right. seventy five cents. That's my best off. I mean, and did you say, Jesus kind of looks familiar. Sam But I'll buy it anyway. Well this is the second time I've had this car back. Yeah. It about every five to six thousand miles starts running real rough. All of a sudden it'll run real rough. Yeah and then quit, no fire, no nothing Pacing the rotor and the cap It'll run like a clock For five or six thousand miles. Then it'll do it again. You can use the same plugs, same wires . It'll run like a clock. You've done this experiment. change nothing except the cap and the rotor Right Now this has happened to both my friend and myself. He had a mechanic do it. I did the work myself. Yeah, that's a pain on the neck to change that cap, isn't it It's a it's also an expense because that cap runs around eighty dollars. Yeah, well, they're no fools. They know what's keeping the car running. charge you one hundred and eighty if they want This car has two ignition coils. Yes. and it has a long top of the cap where one of the coil wires connects. There's a long conduit that takes electricity from that coil wire to that contact point inside the cap That's breaking down Okay. When you buying the caps from Nissan? No, just, you know, regular parkking stores. I think I'd have to recommend you buy your next one from the dealer. Okay. I think you're gonna to find out number one that it's cheaper And number two, it'll last longer. but I think that's what's happening. That conduit for the for the second coil, the one that has to travel the farthest or father breaking down and that's why the thing starts to run raggy. Okay. Don't forget that pretty soon There's gonna be a price turnaround on these distributor caps. Right. You realize that. Well, it's almost worth more than the car now. Well, no, as soon as the manufacturer of the cap realizes that they've made too many, you're gonna be able to get these things for half a buck a piece. Yeah, you buy them by the case. Give them your phone number, Sam. They'll call you when the price starts to go down Good luck, man. Thanks guys. All. Bye bye. Bye by. Bye bye. One, eight, eight eight car talk that's eight double eight Two two, seven, eight, two. I remember that. Remember what? A six You remember what the cap for an eighty six stanza looks like How'd you do talking to me Wh you I got it. Okay. O seelective memory. Guesswork. one eight eight eight c talk that's eight eight eight two, two, seven eight two, five five. Al lawyerre on car talk Yes, my name is Mary Joe and I'm calling from Charleston, South Carolina. I Mary H How are you? Oh, we're great. Pretty good. Well, I need some help. I'm in a a little bit of a dispute with my husband I have a problem with the glass on my car, the windshield. Yeah For the last six months, it's been very difficult to see out of it when the sun is shining on it. Yeah. It looks like there's glitter. Yeah.y. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna tell you how old your car is. Your car is a ninety three U ninety three Japanese car Yes. How know? Is it ninety three? Yeah, it is. Oh Man. And is it Japanese too? Yes It is. Wish you had what was wrong with the glass now. Yeah. Yeah, seriously. No What is it? a ninety three what? It's a ninety three Acura. Is that Japanese At least they tell me it is. And I'm gonna give you more information. Okay, I'm listening do a lot of highway driving Yes Man, are we smoking here a what? What are we smoking? smoking suking man Okay, I'm gonna even guess I'm so hot. I'm gonna guess the color of the car. Oh, okay. It's red. No black It's red. Oh my God. All right. Wait a minute, I'm gonna tell you if it's two door. I'm gonna tell you what station the radio is. All right, I'm quitting. I'm doing too good. I'm quitting. That's it. I'm impressed, though, You're impressed. Yeah, I mean, the law of average is definitely ready to fight you in the butt Well then there's hope. That means that you can maybe help me with this problem. Well why are you having a conflict with your husband on this? he's denying that it's true? Well, because he reallyrely drives the car and the few times he has, he doesn't see the problem. So he just tells me, would you clean the stupid glass? Well, I'm going tell you how long you've been married. Okay, yeah, go ahead. I would say you've been married fewer than five years. Wrong Did I get anything when I was right a hundred times? Well, you should have learned then by now, that there are lots of things that men don't see. In fact, there are only a few things that men do see. that could be true. you're right. You need a new windshield Well, that Mari, now how am I going explain the insurance company? You don't have to I don't. No No, I think well, I don't know I had an incident Some years ago where there was sand got on beach sand got on my windshield because of I was in the vicinity of the ocean and there was a storm. and it blew around a lot of sand. knowing it, I turned on the windshield wipers And in doing so roughed up the windshield. just enough so that at night And if it were raining and if headlights were shining in the windshield, Yes, exactly. I couldn't see very well And I called the local glass company asking how much it was to replace the windshield This is in my home state of Massachusetts and I don't know. what you South Carolinians have for insurance coverage. but the fellow told me The window need not be broken to qualify for a replacement. Oh, really? I mean, think of it, Would the insurance company want you to drive around a car where you couldn't see? Well, in South Carolina, they have something similar, but I thought it had to have damage. Well that can be arranged they said it worked. the go and hit it with the rock. Well, the thing is that what you have there is damage The outside surface is pitted F stuff hitting it a Be. All the windshields they make now are cheap junks. Yeah. they are, they are I mean years ago you could drive a car for twenty years. Right and still see out the glass and now you buy a brand new car and six months later It's all pitted. right. And when it gets that bad and the truth is, even if you have to pay for it Buy a new one Okay Well I don't care what your husband says. Tell him to call me if he doesn't like this answer, tellell him to call me personally My number is eight eight eight. I'll have him call you. Okay. goodood luck, Mary Joe. Thank you Mary Joe. Bye bye. Bye, thank you. Orll say to him in your crybery whiny opinion, B might be one. Okay, Tommy, think hard. Do you remember last week's puzzler? I'm seeing dirt everywhere. I seeing cross generational disputes, I've seing piles of horse maneuver. That's your house, man. Thank puzzler Hi, we're back. You're listening to Car Talk with us, Click and Clack the Tappper Brothers. and we're here to talk about cars, car repair and the answer to last week's puzzler. And This was part of the mathematical series. Can't remember it yet. I don't remember it myself. Anyway, here it is A landscaper returns from work and is sitting at the kitchen table with his kids. The kids ask, Did you work hard today, Daddy? And the answer is, I did. I planted a lot of trees In fact, he goes on to say, I planted five rows of four trees each His little third gradadeer wanted to show off her mastery of the multiplication tables, newfound mastery says, Oh, that means you planted the twenty trees, Daddy. He says, No, you little Turp, you're wrong. And who the hell ask your for our opinion anyway? I planted ten trees She says that's impossible He says, Well, no it isn't I plant the ten trees in five rows of four and I'll give you a hint If you look at one of the test papers your teacher has returned to you recently, You're going to find the answer on one of those papers The little girl thinks from Riddit and says U've Got it I think I've got it. rain in Spain fallsain in. It Reminds me of a great scene from Cinema Paradiso where Little kids are in third grade and the teacher ased them, how much is five times five which is Cinque per chinque And the kid can't get the answer and the kid the next row draws Christmas tree deecember twenty fifth. Aty five, right And the little kid yells out five times five Christmas Well Yeah. How did the landscape of plant ten trees in five rows of four each? Yeah What the little girl finds on her paper is something that you often find on graded papers from your third grade teacher At the top of the page is a star. I never got one That's why you didn't get the answer to this either you dumbo. And if you draw a five pointed star, just like your third grade teacher put on your papers And you put a tree at every intersection point and a tree at every vertex You end up you end up with four ten trees right? four, four Five rows of four trees each Pretty good, huh? That is good. Do we have a winner? Yes, w winner. We always have a winner It looks like Katherine L Ferrier from Highland, Maryland, and for having her answers selected at random, from the hundreds of correct answers that we got, Katherine is going to win a twenty five dollars gift certificate to the store at the Cart Tal section of Cars. com. And with that twenty five dollarars gift certificate, she can pick up both a best of C talkk tape and a second best of cont talk tape And we're not saying the stuff on the tape is any good, it's just the best I just want to make that perfectly clear. It's the best we can do.'s the best we can do I hope the guys of the Federal Trade Commission is satisfied with that. And by the way, if you need Christmas presents for people who don't really like that much anyway, the store at the C Talks seession of cars d. com may have just what you're looking for. Yeah they well. Anway we'll have a new puzzle coming up in the third half of today's show. So don't touch that dial. In the meantime, you can call us and ask us a question about your car The number is one eight eight eight car talkalk. That's eight eight eight two two, seven eight two, five five. Hello, you're on car talk Hello, Hello. who's this? This is Alfredo. Alfredo. How are you from New York? Yeah. Yes, how you doing I enjoy the show. I have a mini caravan eighty eight. this steering wheel Jerk. when the car is in drive likeike they say rhythmically So as you're driving down the road, Yes, you feel the wheel getting jerk to the left and then to the right, left, right. Y, left, right, right, very fast jerking And do you notice it at very, very low speeds if you're creeping along at Five, ten miles an hour. When you feel it then also U It decreases if it is moving slowly and it's still happening. I've been driving it like this for the last two, uh, three weeks Do you remember the day that you ran over the kerbstone? I don't know. I shared the car with my wife so I wouldn't know Oh She didn. She probably would blame her. Oh no, don't do that. Don't blame her. Absolutely. I your list on her. Let's see It's possible there's a defect in the tire that you can't notice U there's a condition called tread separation whereere the actual tread will become separated from the ply below it inside the tire where you can't see it It's not easy to detect it another way. Well if you if you had the car up in the air and you spun the front tires and looked at them as an annt would look at the tire from the vantage point of the road You might see the tread squirm to one side or the other As the tire spun around and you're looking at the treads coming at you Mhm And the easy way to find this out is to take the two front tires and put them in the back Okay or better still to do one at a time. rotate them somehow. So jack up one side of the vehicle and exchange the left front and the left rear And then let it down and drive the car. And if it goes away, that was the bad tire, the one that's now on the on the under the right. If it doesn't, you try it on the other side But I'm just worried you might have something else wrong because whenever you have a vibration of any kind in the steering wheel, you should always suspect The suspension. Yes, right, right, right, right. You really should have someone take a look at ball joints, the tie rod ends and all that stuff that's holding the wheels together Okay that's dangerous. Okay, definitely definitely. But if you do this test and the condition goes away, then you can be sure that it was the tire and then you need to just replace that one tire. Okay. All right, very well, very well. Thanks for calling, Alfredo. Good luckight and stay out of. stay out of trouble. Yeah. Okay. All right,e. byye bye. Bye bye. One eight eighty eight car talk that's eight eight eight two two seven eight two five five. Hello you're on car talk Hi, this is Susan from Conway, Arkansas. Hi, Susan from Conway, Arkansas. Conway, Arkansas. It's just north a little Rock. Yeah, you sound very chipper today. I have a problem with my car that my boyfriend thinks I'm imagining. And I'd like you to tell him that he's wrong, and then I'd like you to tell me if I should worry about this or not. Do we have your check yet bed Well, I have a nineteen ninety seven Saturn SL one And I was driving up to see some friends this past weekend. and I drove all the way there, it's about a two hour drive. And when I got there, I pulled off the highway and I made it through the first stop sign fine. and I got to the next one and I shifted it into first. And when I went to shift it into second Stick shift felt like I was shifting it through cream of wheat It was a lot, I got more resistance Okay. this may still be happening Or my arm may have gotten used to it, but it definitely did this for a couple days up until yesterday afternoon. Only going from first to second or going through all the gears. Through all the gears and even in neutral So' what's the boyfriend's position here? He says that there's nothing wrong that I'm just imagining the whole thing and that it's always been this hard to shift So let me get this right. somethingomet may have happened and it may not be happening now, but you're not sure. And you don't know what it is anyway. Yeah sure. We're gonna to be on your side with this one. You're hoping that we can tell you what it is or it isn't. I just I want to know whether or not I should worry about. you said now even in neutral, which means like when you're moving the shift lever left to right instead of up and down like to go into the gears, it feels like there's resistance that wasn't there before. Yeah, it's not as smooth How long a trip was this So two hours. I'm just testing the witness. I want to see if she's changing her story. It was two hours. It's two hours, but since that time you haven't driven Another trip of two hours. Well, aside from driving back, no I would say that it's mandatory Yeah that you take another two hour trip Okay. What this means is that we have no idea what you're talking about. Well, no, no, I know exactly what you want. T I think what's happened here Yes my brother has that look that this is going to be complete Bull feathers. I think that when she dries a thing it's sustained high speed One of several things is happening Either the transmission is overheating because it's low on fluid and hence making it difficult to shift. We check the transmission fluid Yeah. He did? Yeah, we did And it's fine All right, because theyg goess theory with number one. A shocks. I know you have a backup Of course I think the shift linkage is getting overheated due to the absence of the catalytic converter heat shield, which fell off at about thirty five thousand miles. It was removed because it was rattling And then when you drive the thing at high speed, the thing gets hard to push because The thing is getting so heated up and everything expands, but I think it disappeared I don't think it was there after it cooled off. The next day, if you search your soul, Susan, I think you'll admit that the next morning when you drove it, it really was still harder to shift H, there goes theory number B Okay Theory D. I hadn't worked on any more than two. I figured one of the two would get her. They were both pretty good. The second one was quite bogus That's why it was the second one. I considered the theory of the low fluid, but I dismissed it. All right, I have a fall back position. And even if I'm siding with the boyfriend Well, I was there a long time ago. Yeah, I'm afraid, Susan, that I don't understand I can't come up with any reasonable theory and clearly my brother can't either. Yeah. But on the other hand, well, here's You sound like you're crazy. I'm definitely not crazy. And I have to I have to admit that I have many, many times have fallen into the trap of not believing my wife when she tells me that the car is doing something. And my friend my friend felt the shifter and both of them actually two friends, a he and a she, and they both noticed it Both noticed this Yeah Well I'm sticking with my with my theory number two. and the way you're going to verify this is take the car for another extended trip. Okay. You have to do do that You have to do this and call us back. Okay? because then then I'm going to stick with my sticky shifter. Okay, well, I mean, I don't agree, but Fine. Well, I'll let you know what I find out. Yeah, I mean, it can't hight to take another time ride. Ieed, there may even be nothing wrong there may not be a heat shield missing. It's just heat that gets generated as a result of a lo trip and it's causing the shifter cable to bind up That's that's the only other thing Okay. Okay. I will definitely do this. Okay. know what I find. I'd love to know. Okay. See you so something. Bye We'll be right back with more calls on the new puzzle right after these important messages We're back. you're listening to C talkalk with us Click and Clack the Tapper Brothers and we're here to discuss cars car repair and the new Automotive? Not automotive? No. Folkloric? No I give upork. No. I don't know what it is, but it's from the Krusty files. A Everyone remembers our trust the Krusty Our trusty mechanic, Krusty, who' been loyal employee for many years.rusty Krusty Tusty Krusty We we decided some years ago that he deserved a vacation and indeed, we were going to give him four days off. And we decided to send at our expense him and Mrs. Krusty on a little vacation. So we booked a flight for them Coslovenia And so we take them to the airport and we see them off. they get on their their plane and off they go to their first stop, the first leg of their journey lands them in Moosejaw, Saskatchewan, where they have to change planes for Ceslovenia I need you to pay attention because there are a lot of hints I've got as well as me take notes don't you? Yeah kicked back, put your feet up, relax loooose paper. Yeah H Slovenia. This is rife with hints and obfuscations. Yeah. Okay, mostly useless information. I know that So they they land in Mousjw where they have to change planes for the flight over the pole to Ceslovenia Castlaw air welds out its latest what would you call that plane plane. There you go. I just wanted to see if you werere paying attention. This is a DC three and Krusty recognizes it from that first Indiana Jones movie and he says his life, Oh my God This is unbelievable. So this plane must be twenty five years old and his wife says, no, like sixty They enter the plane and he he's very nervous as is his wife and they both look into the cockpit to make sure there's in fact a pilot and a co pilot in there and they are and they look at each other and they exchange smiles and nods and they' still nervous about the age of the plane Yeah. And they finally take their seats plane takes off with without incident And they're on their way to Clovvenia Over the poll, over the poll. O course they speak no Coslovenian. In fact, I don't think anyone speaks Colloavvenian anymore And while they're in flight they realize that none of the other passengers speaks English and they walk up and down the aisles using the bathroom, you know as a pretense and try to in fact engage people in conversation. and they say, hi, how are you? Nobody responds and they're resigned to just sitting there and and waiting for the flight to end. And when it finally touches down in Coloslovenia, they're relieved that they made it And they're waiting for their welcoming party to take them on their little tour, you know, but it's late at night, which we arrangeed I presume. We arrangeed. Yeah, The guide, or O Wh Or ye, okay. They get there and they go through a lengthy custom search And when they finally emerge into the parking lot, they realize that it's late at night and there's nobody waiting to meet them. And the one cab driver ends that he can't communic with them. He they don't speak any Cloavian. he speaks no English. He throws up his hands, won't let them get in the cab and they don't know where to go They look around, there's probably no one in the airport and finally Theyre resigned to sleeping that night in the airport and Mrs. Krusty sees a woman walking toward them that she recognizes from the plane And she says God will be able to get to our hotel tonight and of course, she's right How does she know woman speaks English. Now if you think you know the answer Or you can remember anything about how long is this s show over there? I just couldn't shorten it. No, I how can you shorten it if you're trying to obfuscate? R can't if you think you know the answer, write it on a postcard or glue it to the base of a mission style Oak entertainment center with sliding European hinged pocket doors and cedar storage shelves and sended before Christmas to a puzzler Twower Car Talk Plaza, Box three thousand five hundred, Harvard Square, Cambridge. O fity Mat zero two two three eight orr you can email your answer from the C Talks section of cars. com one eight eight eight car talk. That's the number to call. M. That's eight eight eight, two, two, seven, eight two, five, five, all lawyer on car talk Hi this is Beckca. I'm Can from across the Rriver in Brighton Mount Becca? Yep. Hi Becca. Becca. as in R Becca. Exactly. So my car is making a noise like a didiger redo What Did you reo? I have a didery do T you? I'm a master under the Make the noise for us, Becca Uh, it sort of sounds a little bit like this. It's a Okay, what kind of a car is it? It's a VW Jetta nineteen ninety two. ninety two And this noise is coming from the glove compartment fromr the love compartment. Well the while you're driving Wh I'm driving. Does it happen when you start the engine and you haven't moved the car yet? No, it only happens when the engine is engaged. So if I'm moving and I have the clutch fully in, doesn't do it Braaking doesn't do it as I'm just about to disengage the motor a bit. So I'm starting to put in the clutch pulling off in the gas when it happens the most. You start the car in the morning. No noise. No noise You start to drive. No noise. No noise The the noise first occurs when what incident happens? What is it associated with? Well, I would say it's probably when the car gets up to running speed. I think it's happening mostly when I'm about thirty five miles an hour or above And you can hear this over the road noise that this thing makes? Not when I'm on the highway. I don't know if it happens on the highway because it's too loud. Right. Ifave you ever tried this Revving the engine up, but not making the car move. In other word' sitting there in neutral and revving the engine up to try to duplicate the noise at a given engine RPM Because I have a theory and a fallback position and another fallback position thing is that It won't do anything if I have the clutch in ever. Oh In other words, if the clutch is pressed. If the clutch is pressed in, it doesn' do it. So if it's making the noise and you put your foot on the clutch, the noise goes away And yet the noise sounds like it's coming from the glove box. Yes, it's the right hand front ca sit still we'll be sending someone over. Someone's coming over right now to pick up very nice men. are there they will be there to help you. My boyfriend hears it too, though. It's not just me See, I was convinced that it was your timing belt tensioner Because when these tensioners go bad, this is exactly the noise that they make L Yeah. But you're not allowing us to use that answer I mean, the classic diagnosis for a noise going away when you step on the clutch. is bearing on the front shaft of the transmission But if you'reitting, if you're sitting stopp at a light and it's making the noise. it's not It will not exist until I'm already moving All right, then I think the clutch thing is bogus and I'ut sticking a clutch I'm bogus Sticking, sticking with my timing belt tensioner. I just had my timing belt replaced though all for more reason Well, I'll tell you why just the other day at the shop We replaced a timing belt that had a questestionable tensioner. And when the old belt is in there and it's really loose which is what happens to old belts. The thing doesn't the tensioner doesn't make noise because there's not much of a load on it because the belt is loose and floppy and it's not doing very much Eentioning When however, the new belt is put in and the tensioner is set for the new belt It will often, if it's old and worn out, which yours is because it's one hundred and five years old It will begin to make noise. So that is absolutely what it is. If you go back and this didn't happen Probably watchatch out You're going to as I said, very dangerous until after the timing belt was put in Is that true? Becca? I'm holding my breath. I'm pretty sure you're right because we moved to Massachusetts Th months ago We've been doing it since we moved to Massachusetts, and I think right before we left Buffalo I had the timing belout replaced. And we've been trying to think of what You know what the timeuse an effect is here. Yes. I think that's it. I think you're right And I mean, this can be verified because if you can get it to be making the noise. when someone can have the hood up and listening. And he'll be able actually just take it to your mechanic Have him take the cover off and when it makes the noise, have him just loosen the tension on the timing belt a hair The midle goes and h right away And you had two backup positions on that one? I did, but you don't wantanna know. to a cream of wheat. Hey, Bebecca, welcome to Boston. Thank you Do you realize that Buffalo just got two feet of snow recently like a week or ago arriving there tomorrow. Good luck. Good for you. We may never see you again. Bye bye. Bye bye. Well it happened again, you've squandered another perfectly good hour listening to C talkalk. 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