Intermittent Power Loss in Audi

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Here's a quote, With traffic congestion, pollution and oil shortages all getting worse, now is the time to shift to affordable, efficient public transportation AA Director Howard Cauer said Fortunately, as his report shows, Americans have finally recognized the need for everyone else to do exactly that. Of the studies, five thousand two hundred participants, forty four percent. cited faster commutes as the primary reason to expand public transportation Because if there's no one else is on the road, you're gonna pass right there you go Expanding mass transit isn't just a good idea, it's a necessity said Anahim, California resident Lance Holland My drive to work is unbelievable. I spend more than two hours stuck in twelve lanes of traffic. It's about time somebody did something to get these other cars off the road It is It goes on to say we should all be using should all they should all be using public transportation Not we. The campaign is intended to de emphasize the inconvenience and social stigma associated with public transportation focusing instead on the positives Among these are the health benefits of getting fresh air while waiting at the bus stop the chance to meet interesting people from a diverse array of low paying service sector jobs, and the opportunity to learn new languages by reading subway ads written in Spanish. People need to realize that public transportation isn't just for some poor sucker to take to work, Claudia said They should also be taking it shopping, to the mall, to the supermarket and to the lockroom Isn't it the truth? Well if you'd like to talk about the benefits of public transportation, for everyone else that is, or if you have an actual question about your car because you don't use public transportation, give us a call at one eight eight eight car Talk It's eight eight two two seven eight two five five for Lw you' on car Tks. Hello, this is Paul from Aspen. Hi, Paul from Aspen. how are you? Aspen. Yeah. The ski place? The ski place. That's where like all those big stars go and they ski and they break their legs and everyone goes to see them and drink coffee with them and stuff like that. Something like that. So what's your problem Actually, I have a problem with my ninety one Nissan Maximum. It's the best car I've ever owned, actually. Great Yeah, it's a great car. But for the past, months actually it's been making some Fny noiseise from the I think it's coming from the left front wheel well Anytime I press on the brakes If you press on it a tiny bit, it won't make it. If you press on it too much It won't make it. But if you hit this little middle spot, It makes this kind of metallic croaking frog sound. U Not quite like that. A little higher pitched perhaps. A Little higher pitched and kind of delicate Sort of like F above middle C Like possibly. Actually, I'll try to make this sound for you, but it sounds a little bit more like a duck if you can translated into a frog. It's kind of like . Can you do them again? That's great. you have to do it again. Do it again. Okay, one more time. One more time Let this happen, Is there anyone in the car with you Oh God. And it only happens when you the car is moving, right? Yeah, the car's moving. and it's proportional to, you how fast it's going. the rhythm of it willll be a lot faster if it's, you know, if I'm going faster.. Well, let's tell you all the things that you don't need. Yeah, exactly. Right. You don't need a CV joint Right. That would have cost you three hundred bucks. You don't need an engine rebuild You don't need a transmission rebuild. No. You don't need a new glove box door. No. The heat of core seven hundred and fifty bucks. You don't need that e. Don't you feel good, man? This is good news so far. you're right. What does does he have the famest idea? I think you have a warped disc rotor You do. Yeah. I'm gonna ask you a dangerous question in that if you give the wrong answer Yeah, it could shoot a hole in the whole theory If you drive it at high speed, and you step on the brake a little bit Do you feel a ration or a pulsation in the pedal or a vibration in the car or an oscillation of the steering wheel? or everything with O does your left kneeca get itchy? Everything depends on your answer to this question It doesn't really.ull It doesn't pull, doesn't vibrate. You don't feel any pulsation. See, that's why I I was honest at least. I said I have no idea Wow. Yeah, but then I underm the default mode. Well, yeah, I knew that wasn't gonna I knew you were gonna to get a bad answer to that. Well I suspected I might and that's why I asked it with reservations. Yeah But now you're sorry you asked, aren't you Because do you have a backup? You always No. I do not have a backup position. Oh, you don't. No, I have a new philosophy now. I'm sticking with it. Now I think you do have a warped rotor. and I think if you take the thing out and drive it on the highway, you're going to say, oh my God, I never noticed that I have a pulsation. It may be very slight. The rotor is so slightly warped that it's not maybe enough to make the car shake or the pedal pulse at high speed. I don't like it. But I would be willing to bet If you took it to your shop and asked them to put a dial indicator, on that left front disc rotor that they'd say, oh my God, it's warped. And if they either replace it or machine it, the problem will go away. Right Yeah. The other possibility is that the left front wheel iss getting ready to fall off. Well, that's the same kind of noise you would get in fact. if you had a wheel nuts that were loose. Are you serious? Yeah, I'm serious.. So you should check that first this's an unlikely possibility because you'd probably be dead now Yeah, now, that's why I'm sticking. I'm sticking with it, Paul. I'm sticking with it. All right. Okay. See you later, man. Thank you Hi, Bob.. One eight eight car Tal that's eight eight eight two two seven eight two five five. Hello, you're on car talkalk. Hi, this is Becca. I'm calling from Minneapolis. Becca.cca I drive a ninety five Jeep Cherokee This is a regular Cherokee or a grande Cherokee. It's a grande. Oh, it's Grande. It is. And my ulterior motive for being on the show is that my father and I love the show My mom, not so much. So the fact that I'm on the show. You you don't like her so much or she doesn't like the show. so No like the show. So now that I'm on, she has to listen Oh, of course. That's my ulterior motive Sure. But thankfully, I do actually have a real car problem to share with you guys. Okay, go ahead. During the week, regular car driving in my car is beautiful fine, no problem If I go on the highway for a road trip or a long drive over an hour Whenever I pull into a gas station or someplace to eat, as soon as I start to turn the wheel, or get a hair take a haircut. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. starts around as soon as I start to turn the wheel at all. you can feel it in the steering wheel and you can feel the wheels kind of shaking whole thing just is it worse the sharper the turn you make? And I'll tell you, my father already has a theory on this. What is it? He thinks that my four wheel drive is engaged. U he's kind of right. Kind of right Okay. what you can't solve is why this only happens when I've been driving highway speed for over an hour. Well, I'll tell you a little tale y. I knew you would. I recently became the proud owner of a ninety two Mitsubishi exppo All wheel drive for those of you who don't know It is the replacement for the Dodge Colt Vista. Yes. Not my own vista, which I still own., but it was the manufacturer's replacement. I did not know that. Yes, well, I'm sure you didn't Why would you and When I test rolle the thing and admittedly it had a lot of miles on it when I possession of it. L a milliona as I remember. It was close to one astronomical unit, I believe. In any event, I test drove it and it was fine. I drove it around the block like you would drive in another car and I checked it all out and it was pretty good And then after I drove it one day for about an hour, I tried to pull into my driveway and I couldn't. Right. And the thing locked up and and shuttered like crazy. Yeah. And I determined what I need and you need the same thing. Okay. You need something called a viscous coupling. Yeah. My goodness. And what is that? Well, it's a coupling that allows slippage between the front and rear wheels, in other words allows the pair of front wheels and the pair of rear wheels to turn at different speeds. Right. So you can pull into tight places Now why doesn't it do that during regular driving though? Well because Because the wheel don't need to turn at different speeds. When you, but she means why does this this thing occur On after an hour of dry it has to It has to heat up before it begins up. When it heats up, that's when it begins to bind up And it's not free Because what happens when you for example, if you make a right hand turn, a sharp right hand turn into a parking space, The wheel that has to turn the fastest is the left front wheel Okay The wheel that the right rear wheel is hardly moving at all. Right. But imagine if you could pivot the thing around the right rear wheel. And as such, the two front wheels velocities added together would have to be greater than the two back wheels velocityities added together. R. And youqu so you require something in the middle to differentiate those speeds and that thing is called the viscous coupling. exxcept yours ain't doing it and it's not allowing the slipping And what it's doing is it's making everything try to turn at the same speed. and that's why the thing shutters. Right has locked up one the overheats. So you should avoid turns at all costs. No, I mean, this is dangerous. Ewhere. This could be danger. This is dangerous because if you had to swerve on a highway after that hour thenen the same thing would happen And you could easily lose control of the vehicle and crash. That's not good. So you need to get it fixed. I don't know what it costs on your it costs many hundreds on my poor little Absolutelyue. Oh, it's gonna cost many hundreds. And your father is basically right. He's a good man. He's a good man, Yeah Charlie. Your m, we're not sure about, but the old man's al right. the old man's good. See you, Becca. Thanks a lot. 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First instead of Anda. First. firstirst This one was from the early days of aviation. Is it coming back to you now Can you see yourself with a scarf wrapped around your neck? You can. A leather helmet. I used to have one of those. You're you're playing football with Newt Rockney Oh, the DC three The pilot Coselavia. That was two weeks ago. Darn. Once upon a time, aircraft mechanics were confused. Early aircraft mechanics were confused becausecause the airplane enginine seemed to backfire through the carburet with some kind of regularity And this would cause damage to the carburetors or at the very least would require the mechanics to do extra maintenance Well they began investigating figuring there was something wrong and after thorough investigations, ruminations, recalibrations, and the like. They discovered that the cause of the backfiring Pilot And in fact pilots were doing it on purpose TheQion is what Tony used to do when he went through the tunnel Why would a pilot want the engine to backfire through the carburetor scaring the pants off himself when it seemed in the estimation of the mechanics to have no useful purpose Yeah I don't know. Well, back in the early days before they had figured out this phenomenon Pilots flew under damp and Cool conditions carburetors would ice up. Exactly. Oh and they would make it backfire to blow the ice out. Blow the ice out Blow it up your carburetors so to speak Blow the ice up baby and they would either lean out the mixture or advance the timing or do whatever it took to get the thing to pop back through the carbot and thus expelling the ice, which if it were allowed to build up would eventually stall the engine in the same That would be not good. That would be not good. And of course, the same thing happens to automobiles. It can't happen to automobiles. Yeah. And cars have some crude little device. which prevents this. And of course, airplane engines don't really have carburetors anymore, but that's why they did it Who's our winner this week? The winner is Ginger Culbertson from Greenville, South Carolina And for having her answers selected at random from the truckloads of correct answers that we got Ginger is going gonna get. A you ready for this ginger? twenty five dollars gift certificate to the shameless Commerce division at the Cart Talks section of cars dot com d And with that twenty five dollars gift certificate Can she get, you might say Yeah Which year she get? She can get a brand new car talk M floor I have a muffler lack Winter muffler, otherwise known as what? like a scarf, right? Hey, hey, does it have a lifetime warranty? Yes, it does. Okay. It says slus on the side. Actually, it's embroidered with the KartTalk logo and it comes with this An actual muffler clamp. Oh, isn't that what a nice touch. Oh man, my brother ordered too many muffler clamps at the garage last year and we were dying to get rid of them. So you're gonna get one if you buy the muffler. Wow. Hey, by the way, if you'd like to tell somebody that you really don't like them that much, this Christmas, you can find all kinds of Cart talk at the Cart talk Sameless Commerce Division which is it's the car Talks section of cars. com you can also C that, donon't we have a number for them We do. eight, eight card joke. H you go. Sure. Yeah Anway, we' have a new puzleing here. It's better to go to carsot com because then you won't have to answer phone. You got to carsot com No one has to do anything Go to cars dot comot Don't bother us with your silly phone calls. We're busy. We're working here Anway we'll have new puzle coming up in the third half of today's show. So don't touch that dial. In the meantime, you can call us and ask us a question about anything you want Do you know what time it is You time to give Bermin his annual petrified fruit cake? No. It's time to play Stop the t This is the part of the show where we tracked down a previous caller to see if we were on the ball on the money or if we should be on the lam. So who's our lucky player this week? Well, the note here says it's Captain Rob. I remember him fromom Oklahoma calledall because his chehevy suburban was hesitating at high speeds the real problem was that Captain Rob himself was hesitating. He Oh, he didn't want to go on Operation desesert excursion with his mother in law or something, wasasn't it? Oh, I think I re I think so. Well here it is. is that my family coming out here to do the grand tour of the West during the hottest time of year with the highest gas prices. And that's a five thousand mile round trip Is her mother going Here's the deal. you hit the nail on the head. two years ago when I was stationed in Germany, I had a nineteen eighty nine Chevy suburban, not the same one, but same mod would makeaking year. Yeah ye. And we took a big trip through Austria. Uh France and down into Italy and Switzerland. And my mother in law, bless her heart, never been out on a major trip started out the trip by saying, Rob, you're driving too fast That's why I bought my MG. No back seat, mother in law proof. So did we tell him to go on the trip or what? Of course not. We told him to shoot him something do got and spend the week in the infirmory if he had to. I remember this. And what did we tell him was wrong with the suburban? Well, we didn't really know. We told him it was like a bad sensor of some kind, I think. Rob, you there I'm here guys. Look before we find out whether censor was faulty or our reasoning was fault. We need to verify that the answer you're about to give on stumped chumps has not been influenced by our staff The staff of National Public radio or the hired assassin recently referred your mother in law to. All right Did you take our advice or did you cave in and go on the trip Well, I couldn't get away with shooting myself You guys told me that you'd say a couple of Novvenas, I don't think you prayed hard enough. Oh you didn't, huh? Nah. How bad was it? Well, let me tell you, day one of this trip We just clear into New Mexico driving along fine. And your mother in law's in the front seat, right? No, she's in the middle in the middle within striking distance of my b the back of my head Yeah, you make it into New Mexico two hours away from Santa Fe, our target. Yeah. Black starts pouring out the back of the truck The truck didn't hesitate and the temperature didn't jump up. so we didn't know what it was. We pull over. I look underneath the truck And it looks like I cut a main artery. Cherry juice everywhere. So we call AAA Thankfully, two hours later, they showed up rapidly And have them drive your mother in law home, Exactly., Lave us here, leave us a cany of water. justust take her off Forget the cantin of water. J go I can see it now. Well, they tell us that Santa Rosa, New Mexico, is about twenty miles up the road. and since the truck doesn't seem to be in any problem other than the transmission fluid all over the place, I should try and limp that way because it's going to cost me more to tow it anywhere I'd limp into Santa Rosa And right there on the side old route sixty six, you're going to like this guy. Oh man. Bozo's Garage is right there, twenty four hour mechanic on duty. My wallet is screaming in my back pocket. No, don't go there garage. Yeah I mean, anyone who has the courage to put up a name like that has to be good. rightight guys He is unbelievable. He fixed everything. He puts it up on the jacks.ays not a problem. You blew the front seal and bushing And every once in a while at a certain speed, that bushing where the problem was was allowing that hesitation. So all these problems that you were having when you called us were all solved by fixing the transmission leak. And you know what? I never had a transmission leak that I saw. You know, there was never any fluid that was dripping out. No or anything like that. So it wasn't anything to clue us off that the oooching and seal were going bad But after he fixed it That problem was gone. Right, You were hesitating in high speed because the transmission was slipping. Yeah. Wow. And he, uh, it for a nominative fee. you know, about what you'd expect to pay in any other town. Yeah the part You you know, while I'm sitting there in his shop, he's got like five million trophies all over the wall for for repairing and replacing and fixing up old Joey He've got his own museum. You know, he's a sixty six guru It would be good if you went to to cars dot com and put Bzo's name and address in the mechanics files. I'll do that. Because he certainly deserves it. He does He was outstanding Captain Broob, thans for playing stumped chumps Hey, I enjoyed it. Bye bye. Take care M calls and a new puzzler coming up right after these messages This message comes from Wealthfront. It's time your hard earned money works harder for you. With Wealthfront's cash account, you earn a competitive APY on your cash from program banks higher than the average savings rate, with free instant withdrawals to eligible accounts. Go to wealthfront dot com cash account offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC Remember FenRA SIPC, not a bank. Funds are swept to program banks where they earn the variable annual percentage yield This message comes from Kachava. It can be tough to stick to your wellness routine, especially when you're on the go. Kachava's new travel packs make it easier. 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Listen to it's beenin a minute on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts We're back listening to car talkalk with us, C click and Cack the Tappard Bothers and we're here to discuss cars car repair And the new automotive puzzler. Automotive. That kind of automotive. Okay. remember our Pal Vinny Gombats Vin good bots of course I know him. He had had I used the past tense two cousins goo and Throck Morton And Don't ask. it was was those mixedan was involved, right And they found themselves in the midst of a little mob fraacus And Next thing you know, they're both locked in the airtight trunk. of a late model, Lincoln Tal. How did you know Yeah Yeah, I got it. So they wait for the brothers. The br Not Vinny. No, no, Vinny. No the two Rockco and Frock I of a lighttail rorock resturant Rock and throng Rck and. I never really liked him. Yeah. Well, he was funny. He wasn't like the rest of the family. Anyway, they're locked in the trunk and after the gunplay subsides, they realize that if they don't get out, they're going to die So Rockel begins beating on the trunk and screaming Let us so, let us so, let us so course Nothing happens, but he expends considerable energy doing this And the air supply is diminishing rapidly Finally after several hours ceases his banging and screaming And in fact Buyers During this time Rockmorton done nothing as it made a sound almost in a trance He's just been lying his breath, saving his breath, breathing very slowly Yeah while he watched or goodness while he watched Rockco suck up all the air all the truck suck up all the air and in the process kill himself. Yeah Hours later, Martin, who's still alive. H's a car approach And he figures this is his chance for good or bad. whatever whatever is going to happen, he's going to bang on the trunk. He's still alive several hours after has expired. Yeah And sure enough, it was the police who came. They open the trunk Let him free. The question is, how could he possibly have survived for hours Rockco had sucked up all the air sucked up all the air and expired. Now if you think you know the answer. Write it on a postcard Grill it fat side up into a five inch stick medium rare Omaha steak with a Rimelad or horseradish sauce and uchro chili butter and rushs it too Russia Overnight delivery. Puzzler Twer, car T Plaza Box three thousand five hundred, Harvard Square, Cambridge Our facity Mat zero, two, two, three eight or you can email your answer from the car Talks section of carzo. com. If you'd like to call us right this moment, the number is one eight eight eight Car talk, that's eight, double eight, double two seeven eight, twenty, five Hello, you're on car T. Click and clack. This is Mary in Seattle. and boy, do I need your help? Mary, Mary. We've been hoping you would call Fas, I picked my car up at the garage last week and Rich, the mechanic, said Mary, you've got a problem, but we have no idea what's wrong with it And we can keep looking for the cuse, but it's going to cost a lot of money I said Rich The ladies at work told me it's time to call car talk. Maybe I really need to call them. Oh. But it gets better. It gets better Yeah He walked over to me. He looked around the shop any whispered I'll tell you what, Mary I love car talk And if you talk to click and clack and they can figure out what's wrong with your car, I'll fix it for free. Oh man. How about that? Oh Okay, Hog ofall putting us on the spot. Okay, we're ready. Come on. I'm counting on you. Give it to us. Okay, I have a nineteen ninety three Audi ninety S No already you're. I bought it against my father's advice. Yeah. Beautiful pearl white with seat warmers, headlight washers. Well, those in four bucks'll get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Now that's got a problem, my dad'll have nothing to do with it And at every chance he gets, he says My Buich doesn't do that So what does it do? You try to accelerate And there's loss of power for about fifteen seconds And you just sit and wait, you might roll along just a little at a crawl. And then boom, it'll pick up and off you go But the next time that you stop or you slow down, No power No power at all. No, there is power, but no own feature. No acceleration. So you stop from a dead stop You step on the gas And no matter how much you step on the gas, the car doesn't really take off. Right And all of a sudden it's like someone h putut it into a hyper drive. and Bingle I've got it Diilithium Christas I know what you think. Well this guy Rich, tellell us about Rich. All right. Is he I mean, does he specialize in Audies Yeah they do. They do. They do He said he had everybody look in the shop Yeah He called audi places all over Seattle. He pulled up all of these audi bulletins to see if it was a problem that that's ever come up with this car. Yeah. No mention of it anywhere. No one has heard of this happening. Yeah, Well, Mary, you got a snowballed chance of getting this thing fixed for free. att least it's beginning to look like that, but We have to answer this workQion just work on it here for a minute Is there ever a time when it accelerates correctly or does it always behave like this? It does not always behave like this. It is intermittent It happened before I bought the car. I want to buy the car But you were so smitten with the car that even though you knew your father was right, you had to have it. You had to have it because of those damn headlight washers. I'm coming clean. Now here's the I mean, the problem, I mean, we give you some ideas. The only trouble is I don't know how you'd know that it was right unless you spent a lot of money, for example B in the transmission. which is wheat Oh, so you think it's a transmission, huh? I don't think so. I do. Oh, I think it's definitely engine. I think the do get starved for fuel So while it certainly could be the fuel when you said pump, I said it could be the fuel pump. And I'm sure Rich has tested the pump I'm sure Rich is run from famil pub I'm sure he's replaced the gas filter I have his invoice and job description here that he Type checked it. He checked it for misspellings. He grabbed it from me. When I told him I might talk to click and class. what can he? Okay, let's hear it All right We test drove the vehicle and found that at approximately two two hundred R per min. The vehicle hesitates for several seconds We checked for stored fault codes and there were none stored We tested fuel pressure to see if the hesitation was caused by improper fuel pressure. But there was no fluctuation in fuel pressure. He writes well is He has a career in journalism, I guess. We then checked back pressure at each catalytic converter. Both of which, by the way, I have replaced since I I it wouldn't be the cats. That cost you a couple of bucks, didn't it Oh Well, you know something? The Bus don't have. Yeah Go ahead, o, continue We reviewed all current Audi service bulletins to see if this was a known problem. And there were no bulletins that referred to this runability problem First of all, the first thing I notice here is that his description of the problem is not the same as yours You said what and I'm reading from the from the court notes here. You said When you start off from a dead stop You step on the gas and the carve accelerates very slowly. and hesitates He says this doesn't happen until twenty two hundred R perM. At twenty two hundred RM you should have already accelerated Does this happen from a dead stop or after you belie I object. I think you're badering the witness. you you wanted to try the glove on. permission to treat the witness as hostile. Does this happen from a dead stop or doesn't it It happens from both. If I go if I start at a dead stop, it happens and it will happen at a yield sign. So are you calling rich a liar That is dramatic enough to go public Okay. It is. I can see that you've bared your soul here. All right and expose yourself to so to speak, to ridicule from dad. even more than you not deserve, but more than you've gotten. Okay. The answer is we don't know, but I'm gonna give you one shot at it. only because My wife has an audi And she experienced a similar problem to the one that Rich described, not the one that you described very And she went to the dealer. They had no idea what was wrong with it And She yelled and screamed at them like she yells and screams at me.