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You wanna have this third chair discussion now? Let's save it for the end of the podast.al. And then finally fighting over your attention, your affection? No, that's not what it's about. No, it's about who belongs? Who gets to sit and cannonize with us, really? In perpetuity, I think. J I think we're about one or two months away from me and him texting and just being like, why don't we just teach these losers Stter Let me get. giveive it a shot, See what happens. So we are here to draft. This is the third episode of Tracy that we've gotten this week. How are you feeling Great. Yeah. I'm always happy to be with you guys on the mics or otherwise. Oh, that's beautiful.ice a little rhyme I didn't mean to. Yeah. nineteen seventy six Yeah You you were al I was What was going on? Tell us about it You know, it was our bicentennial year. It sure was. And I'm born on the fourth of July So I I never knew that about you. I didn't. I should have Googled. I'm sorry It's not the fourth of July yet. That explains so much about what you represent to this fine country. There you go I turned eleven when the country turned two hundred And I remember it very well. My dad had He was a college professor, and he had become disenchanted with teaching or the institution he was teaching at. so he quit and he and my mom built and operated a grocery store out at the lake. He became a gentleman grocer for a year. It was a disastrous experiment. I was to say to sound like. You were just you never found two people more temperamentally unsuited to run a grocery store. A less exciting version of Mosquito Coast I think that's very appropriate. We lived in in a trailer park And my birthday gift on our bicentennial was a Honda fifty. I got a little Oh a little mininter bike to go around the lake going. We used to really know how to raise kids back then. We used to go swimming in the lake. Me and my friends unsupervised. How did we not drown? I can't even fathom it. So you had a little dirt bike going around a lake Yeah. That's one of the scariest things I've ever heard. Yeah, lookooked like a little ghost right perennially sunbirds. like seriously out of gumo' like a little guy. And we were you know, we were at the movie theaters seeing a lot of these movies we're going to talk about today Afternoon delight was playing on the radio Songs in The Key of Life was on our turntable all year long. Oh ye It was a great time to be alive CR, you were just a glimmer in my dad's eyes. You were around the corner. Sure. You were not quite there. Yeah ye You look at the landscape of seventy six, the cinema of seventy six, the culture of seventy six.ure What do you see? What do you hear? What do you feel? I was thinking a lot about the pregnant moment before, you know, obviously Jaws is seventy five, correct. So we're living in a post jaws world. and when you read like Pauling Kale from November of ' seventy six, she's still like grappling with Jaws. She's still reckoning with with what the shark means for movies, but I think while all that nervousness is happening, like we get like a absolute diamond of a year u that is maybe one of the last of its kind before all the big We can make jaws money. kind of movies really start to come in. and this is one where Even like the blockbusters are just really creative and interesting and some of them are just throwa away like exploitation movies or whatever or B movies. but It's just it it's decidedly free of franchises. It's decidedly free of premeditated blockbusters. And I think you can see that in like the variety of work that comes across here What struck you? So I probably first came to this as an Oscars year, right? As an Oscars nerd and you start doing the history and this year and the year before it. probablyroably the quote unquote two greatest Oscar best picture lineups in history. Yeah mayaybe both times with not the winner, I would have chosen, but you If you come to this moment by you know, studying all of the Oscars, you see all of these movies. And then this is your introduction to what was going on in the seventies movie wise, which is, you know what the Oscars taught me over the years. Um, This is still my pick for the best year. So even even over for the lineup or for the year itself. for the for the lineup and I guess probably Maybe for the year But it's going to be interesting, right? Because there's I mean, there's so much top line stuff. There is so much recognizable great works of cinema canonized in part, you know by the Oscars, but also just because of what we reference. And then There's a lot of there's not that much in the middle I found at least while preparing for this. I was kind of shocked by the number of comedies I just had to turn off. and I was like, Well, I'm not laughing. And also that is not an appropriate representation of that person in twenty twenty six. I would watch Amanda Watch watch. I was just like, not even that one U so Can it be great if it's just All the big n all bold face stuff. Is it the greatest? I mean, Not to be capaptain obvious, but like yes, you've got network, you've got taxi driver, you've got all the presresidentents's men. you've got Rocky, you've got, you know, it's Those are heavy hitters. But You know,' it was interesting to see what else was going on because when you think about seventy six and you think about young Tracy going to the movies every week and like living like in the heyday of Centnemon, they're not all network No who I I was in the theater for in search of Noah's Arc. I saw that in the movie theater. I wrote about that in the newsletter last week and just the idea that that movie was the was it the number nine or number ten grossing film for the year which was a documentary. And did your parents bring you to go see that movie? No, I'm sure I went byy myself now with my older brother probably And what What spurred that? wasas it just because it was a kind of phenomenon? had one screen in town. Yeah, there you go. And that's part of how it works. and I think that's I dont probably would disagree with what you're saying because I find the middle of this year very soft. and this makes for a very interesting draft because there is someomewhere between seven and ten extremely desirable titles this year And then the way that we do the categories They're a little weaker. We had to do a little bit of navigating and managing around it. Just thinking back to nineteen seventy five, we drafted for nineteen seventy five four years ago And here are the movies that were taken just among the three of us. I'll just list the fifteen movies we took in seventy five My slate was Barry Lindon, the man who would becing Jaws, one fllew over the Cuckoo's nest, Dolomite and rollerball Chris was the passassenger Night Moves, shampoo, Nashville, Rocky Horror Picture showh and Race with the Devil. And Amanda got picnic at Hanging Rock, the Stepford Wives, three Days of the coondor, Dog Day afternoon, Monty Python in the Holy Grail, and Grey Gardens.. I you just can't that's not. Wait a second. I got Grey Gardens in seventy five. You did. Was that the Well I'm gonna have to hold on just Googling some release dates here Grey Gardens was on the letterbox list that you made. It was. I think it's because we let it go through because I played the New York Film festival in the fall of seventy five. we counted that as Americ. And it was released in theaters February of. Okay, that's fine. Now this is an ongoing issue that I think will be an issue in this episode and we should probably talk about it. Upront, already wanted to Let's just it upfont because' deleting that from Wild Gard. There's a whole raft of Let's just say international movies, movies that were made overseas And the years in which they arrive in the nineteen seventies Sometimes it takes three or four years or sometimes not at all for a movie to be released. This is There's been a lot of chaos with like Japanese animated movies in the eighties and nineties drafts as well where it's like I don't know what year this movie should be. like seven beauties this year or whatever. Yeah Well at least seven Beauties wasember seventy fiveight. But but it was nominated for the Academy Awards for seventy six You know, there's a whole host of them. If you go one of fun activity to do when you're preparing for this is just go to the Criterion channel and type in nineteen seventy six. I did do this. It was really com up. and there's a ton of things there Prob more than half those things never even opened in America. So the rules that I created when we were talking about movies from the two thousands, which was what was the U.S. release date as the guide for what we can draft. It's a little squishier here So Grey Gardens would have been eligible but since you took it in seventy five, maybe not so eligible. We don't want topeat it. I don't know what do you make of how we're navigating all this? I think we should just u I think we should play with love and trust. Yes. do the best I can. Beautiful fundamental system in this place. I would just say when you're out in the world talking about the big picture Not on this podcast. is it all it's maybe with love, but not trust always. Yeah. How I would say that you have some feedback about our taste that you've made you've made public on bllank Cck and other countes. I say no bones about the fact that I disagree with you guys sixty to seventy percent of the time I was saiding it to Chris, it's part of the magic of the show. that you can disagree with you guys as much as I do and listen to the show and it's not a hate watch. It's not a hate listen. I don'tisten to it because you piss me off. Thank you. I listen to it in spite of the fact that's. That's why you listen to the watch Um Do you l to listen to the big picture? Have you heard I listen to the big picture? Yeah, I do. What do you think of it It's's it's an interesting experiment and in social. How often do you agree with their taste? Maybe more so than I do Somewhere I mean, I am usually in agreement with one of or the other. If not both. So. I mean I like a lot fewer things than you do, but I think that's the way it's supposed to be. I think given the various jobs that we have, I think we like the right percentage of stuff. Well I have found the more folks that I get to know who have worked in this business, the more you find that they don't like a lot of things, that they're actually quite critical of a lot of things. Of course, they will never ever say that they don't like something for a variety of reasons. But it's always fascinating to me herear why someomeone who has worked in film television theater. think something is a failure. It's usually because like the director of photography on that is a jackass to be onece Simes sometometimes, but sometimes you get such fascinating critical insight that I just wish I could share or I wish could be broadcast in a way, but that's because Looks like yourself understand how some of this stuff works in ways that we never will. Also there of course, there's also a generational component. and we've had this conversation that The ringer itself, there's a kind of nineties love ross cross platforms here at the ringer Yeah I don't share. I prefer the eighties to the nineties in terms of movies That's a fight I love to have and keep having, you know, but it's not a it's not a deal breaker, notot a deal breaker This was proered on the Robert Dubval Hall of Fame that movies from the seventies are better than the movies from the eighties the movies from the eighties are better than the movies from the nineties and so on and so forth. Well we found it both with Robert Duval and Robert Redford. Very true. them. Yes. that I wonder if are Rber Rd for movies from the nineties better than his movies from the eighties They my? It might be Yes. It might be Sneakers nineties? Yeah. No. lookook at our Hall effect. Sneakers is nineties sneakers. M might be right about that. It's ninety two We gott to start talking about their primees in the nineties. That was the other thing is who was in their prime at that time? Right? That's a factor. Anyhow. Up close and personal? Do you think . Never forget. Not a great one. Eastwood in the nineties better than Eastwood in the eighties Oh yeah, no question. Yeah, not even close I can't conjure the tyit. I mean, unforgiven in theine fire perfect worldld fire M County. That's S some of his best movies are in the nineties. Yeah, the exception that proves the right. Okay. I I think we'll probably end up doing every year from the nineteen seventies at some point, hopefully with you again in the future too. This year and the point that you were making about Jws had me thinking about an exercise, which is I find that because the seventies is so critical to shaping the future of cinema, not just in America, but worldwide, Each year gets a movie that I feel like is the movie that represents something meaningful box office wise, critically cultural impact beyond both of those things, kind of what it means to the character of the country, the character of the business. and I just this morning just Banged out what I think the movie of that year is So For nineteen seventy. I thought mash. It wasn't the number one movie at the box office, but it's a movie that kind of changed tenor. what a movie could be and be a very successful film. And do you think it captured like the The anti warar sentiment was growing something something in the zeitgeist, a little bit of the like pranksterism too that I think came out of the nineteen sixties. seventy one, I chose the French connection seventy two, I chose the Godfather. seventy three I chose the Exorcists. That's two Freed kin movies. seventy four I chose blazing saddles over things like the Godfather part too. R cept your anti Goddfather to agenda continues. We had a conversation about this on Robert Devale. Okay on my. And did I hear you? On the talkalk Easy podcast learned that maybe your father father did not like Godfather too. At least he didn't when he was reviewing it apparently. Cash grab. Yes, he called it. Yeah. Butich you know. C you imagine my dad now like we reckon would cash grab He might been a great third chair. Yeah. I think there's a kind more conversation to have about Godfather Part two, but it's a fifty year old movie. We don't have to have it now. It's not the right year, but we'll get there. Okay. seventy five jaws, of course. Mhm seventy six, the subject of our draft Probably Rocky. Yeah. Yes. And we'll get into that when we go through the draft. seventy seven is obvious Star Wars. seventy eight, I think is Superman And seventy nine, you can Pick your poison, Apocalypse now as the end of something, alien as the start of something Yeah what do what do you make of that? Do Do you feel like that's Well, a little easy Monday morning talking about seventy six specifically because I think the rejoinder to the Rocky would be like, well what about all the president's men and put a capstone on Watergate and you know, it's like this but I'm curious to somebody who was there and also somebody who's obviously thought about this process. like how why Rocky and When were you to Watergate at age eleven? Oh my God. Yeah. very tapped in. real my father red faced and screaming at the television for two solid years. Oh no incredibly tapped it That's so interesting. It was some of my earliest memories of my parents screaming at the television We just Total engagement and enragement. Did you D didid he read the Woodward and Bernstein book? Of course. Did he Did he an did you sense anticipation for that movie in your household Absolutely. That is interesting. Not surprising And I'm trying to deride all the presentss been,vestly. I just made a podcast about two weeks ago. It's an interesting exercise to be like, you know, you might want it to be one way, but it's actually another. What do you think? Because Rocky is very different from most of the movies on that list. Right And then and it wins best picture. so It's a little bit Oscar coated, your choice, but you're really doing more of what does this mean for the movie industry and the types of movies that are being made as opposed to personal favorites or even what you think the quote unquote like best example of cinema is with all respect to Rocky, which is fun and I've been on the steps doing the pose myself I think that makes sense. I mean, it's good list making I think that the list Mostly favors I mean it is it's an industry measurement list rather than an artistic list, but that's okay Even though they' good movies I'm looking to blend both with the idea that like Well, and the popular imagination too. but In nineteen seventy five Nobody thought Jaws was going to win best picture. It wasn't even a consideration. That movie was not going to win bestest picture You knew it was going to be one of the other movies and Cuckoo's Nest obviously barreled through the same way, that's why Rocky was such a A shift It was a real shift. You had these other undeniably great films and then this partart of a champion movie, you know, it was a head scratcher. Well think I think there's a prevailing thought that The New Hollywood ends a lot earlier than people think it does and that it's really it's not Star Wars, but it's that double whammy of jaws and rocky that augers the massive shift at the corporately held movie studios to push in a different direction. And Star Wars seals the deal, right. There's a so the Kale essay that I was referring to is this like November piece she writes that's, you know, it's a lot of it is about Jaws, but then some of it's about Clint Eastwood and some of it's about John Wayne and some of it's about Alfred Hill. I've read this pie. Yeah It's really an amazing like kind of snapshot of a moment in cinema, but I was I was struck by the fact that in November of ' seventy six, she's still kind of like turning jaws over in her head and turning over like what it meant to movies for this to happen Do you remember compared to say now? because this is something that comes up every once in a while on this pod and others how long things would stay in the consciousness and whether or not like something like jaws just kind of like occupied more minds share for longer then say something now where it's like, man, that show's amazing for eight weeks and then it just seems to like Nobody mentions it again tillil Em's or nobody mentions it again ever. or a movie, for instance, like project I use Project Hell Mary as an example where it's like a wildly, hugely successful movie. But I don't know like It's never going to have the footprint of ghostbusters. You know, like it's never going to have the footprint of something that's like No, but I think that there's a way, I don't mean to cut you off. No, but I think there's a way to read that movie the same kind of socioc cultural way that Kale was so good at which is that there's kind of like a ptimism in that movie? Yeah, absolutely did people kind of desperately want right now because of a lot of what's going on externally in the world. And it also reminds us of like earlier, more comfy times in movie culture. And so you kind of smash those two ideas together. I mean, that's my favorite thing to do is to kind of overread something in culture like that in seenty six though, like The fact that the two things are going hitting against each other, like the kind of cynical or more paranoid kind of film could be really popular and also Rocky could be really popular. Like what does that mean that they can coexist?? Yeah. I don't I guess I don't have a good answer to that part of the answer to that is has to do with accessibility I mean, You had to go to the movie theater and pay money to see these movies. You couldn't watch them at home. You could wait until it showed up on broadcast television Other than that, you had to go to the movie theater. So there's is something about that, does something about that actually keep Ball in the air In a sense, in terms of culture and conversation longer because it's a little harder to see kids watch the same movie every day, right Yeah a week or two weeks. It's like, I didn't have That wasn't possible for me as a kid. Well let me ask you one other thing about that because when I was a kid The longest period of time that could transpire was the period when I missed a movie in movie theaters and I was waiting for it to come to blockbuster.. That was it felt like an eternity. And it was often Eight months. seeven months If you missed a movie in movie theaters and it doesn'tound like you missed many, but if you missed a mov in movie theaters that you wanted to see Were you like were you anticipating? opportunity to see on TV. How did you find out it was going to play on TV? Like can you talk about that gap in time? Well, I read the TV guide religiously. I looked for when those things were going to be on TV. I sought them out And of course, with certain things They'd bring him back I saw most of the Bond movies, most of the Sean Connery Bond movies in the movie theater U on re release. That's how you saw that stuff Godfather also, right, you see Godfather, one of its biggest box office years is like seventy four, seventy five, when they rereleased Godfather. Because again, we talked about this on the Hall of Fame Duval Hall of Fame podcast They didn't know how to put it on TV. It's R rated thing. It's like and yet it was the most popular movie, you the biggest box office movie of all time. So how are we going to see it These kids don't know how good they have it It's incredible how accessible everything is. Just the idea of Disney pllus like makes my brain melt Yeah because scarcity was the whole point for years and years and now it's full blown accessibility of the sudden you think it has degraded the culture I do think it's degraded the culture. I mean, my child was just screaming to watch like box jellyfish videos before he went to school this morning. and I was like, you know, what' what has my life come to? but it's It's also degraded the business, right? I mean, the fact that nothing is especial means that the kids and we all expect that we can have whatever we want exactly as we want it immediately and we're not willing to go out of our way. We're not willing to go to movie theaters. notothing feels quite as special. So that's a bummer Luckily, you guys have a lot of plastic and you're fighting that off We're doing well with Yeah, I think, filing fil. in the silent film days that make the circuit And then once the silent film was finished making the circuit, threw it in the trash Yes. Which is why only ten percent of silent films have survived who was like, well, this is done. And they just chucked it. That's Amanda proposed that for the MCU and they said, no, we're gonna hang ono those. Studententss Day plays once in every city.ness U you want to draft? An open thoughts? Okay. Well, the only thing I'll say is that there is a kind of I like your list. I think your list is good I think there's an answer to every one of the ones on your list. No that is. I mean, yeah, Mash nineteen seventy, but you could also say patent nineteen seventy, which in some ways is the flip side of the same coin There are still some amazing, it's not all ra raa patent, right? It's written by Francis Ford Copola. There's there's complexity toottally. But with the scene when when he's scolding the officer who has PTSD is the most obvious like the two generations misunderstanding each other scene in the movie from that year And I think Patton probably made a lot more money than Mash at movie theaters, I'm guessing U I think they're pretty close. reallyally? I think they're And that was part of what I was thinking was what movie is a box office hit, a critical sensation and got into the culture in a way that felt impactful. You know Everything is debatable Star Wars and jaws are inarguable. Clearly, they're inarguable. They really changed Right? Hollywood movies in the eighties are very different as a result of Not only those two films, but those two filmmakers. Uh Yeah, there's there's a flip side to all of those s Well, I welcome the feedback and I won't be looking at it. It's community.. So for this draft do have six categories I'm going to read those categories before we settle on our draft order The categories are as follows, drama comomedy or horror. or sci fi, right? Or sci fi. We've done that because as Amanda indicated, this is a year for comedy. I think we could have pulled it off if we kept it typ would been pretty funny for like to laugh at us. but not to laugh at these movies. That's right. Thriller or action is also a category Bockbuster. Now the threshold here is twenty million dollars and there are only ten films that qualify for that threshold. Oscar whichich means any film that was nominated for an Academy Award from that year And then of course, wild card Okay Jack there is there a Jack Sanders selection that we'll be able to hear Hello. It is I, producer Jack, coming from the past to deliver The highly anticipated. nineteen seventy six movie draft order. As always, I have denied Tracy Letz's bribe of a one hundred dollarars bill for the first overall because I have integrity Selecting first Amanda. Oh my God I is so happy. I really wanted it and I wasn't going to say anything. F overall draff pick feels like a pretty sacked ear. It feels like a deep ear personally would want the turn second overall Christopher Ryan. Well so rigged.' so rigged. This is the first first pick I've gotten in like six. do feel pretty bad. I feel like every draft Trist has been ave. I think I may have given him the last overall pick. So o I'm selfishly hoping he's third overall here, but we'll say God damn God fucking damage. Seaan f. which means Tracy like. The turn's good. The turn's good Fascinating. Okay. I know exactly what I'm gonna do. But I did just change categories because Uh I was a little Light Yeah, so I think this makes sense. I think this makes sense. Hang in there, mama. Hang in there. We just we haven't even started yet. You got this. I'm ready to start deleting. Okay I think in thriller Hhm. I will take all the presresident's men. Okay. O. interestnteresting. Which all the presresidentents's men was going to be my number number one draft pick if I got the first pick. It is My favorite movie of this year, one of my favorite movies of all time Uh And Also a movie educationally that certainly introduced me to U Alan Pakula William Goldman and then you know, all the backstage gosping and fraught nature of production that William Goldman details in its adventures and screenwriting, right U I think this is probably where I learned to Gordon Willis' is It taught me about the power of gold chains as worn by Robert Redford. It taught me you know, this is how I learned Watergate because I wasn't around. and I probably saw it before we got to Watergate in whatever truncated Republican American history course I took in high school. You know, they never really made it p They never get Vietnam. Yeah, they never get to Vietnam or they didn't in our day.be Maybe they've gotten there. They did in my AP American history class. You know what? honestly, even in my AP, they were just like, yeah yadda yada and then Richard Nixon resigned U but this is an amazing electrifying Like beautiful movie about bunch of dudes sitting in rooms talking and it really did show to me the power and the possibility people talking smartly in rooms and everything that you can do with that like visually and emotionally. and I I did all my research for nineteen seventy six and then I saved this. and this is the one that I picked to watch like right before I went to bed lastess and I didn't even watch all of it. But then this morning, I was like, oh, I got thirty minutes here while got it while I do my hair and I set it up because I just I wanted to watch this speech where Jason Robartts is Breren Bradley comes out and you know, like from the from his house at night and tells him not to fuck up again. And It's I don't know. it's an American classic. It's probably when I say that I think seventy six is better than seventy five. It's just because I love this movie so much. And I think this and a couple others to me are like the highest of highs whereas seventy five is everyone being really, really good. But yeah I'm thrilled to have it. Great pick. I don't know if I would have guessed this would be the number one over. Was it consensus number one for you And for you as well, ye Interesting. This is also like a for draft Nicks, a crucial crucial title to beaken off the board because of its flexibility over the last couple of. Yes. I think it would have been acceptable in four of the six categories. Yeah. So you took it in thriller? It did. Excuse me, five of the six categories which is fascinating. In thriller though is really interesting to me. That is not what I would have done. Let be honest, I didn't read the changes that you made last minute until we were drafting. And so I didn't know that it was thriller or action I didn't know that I I didn't understand that horror and comedy were grouped together. Okay. So I don't think it'll impact you that way. Thank you. Well, Chris, you've got the second pick. A you Are you excited? Are you reeling? How are you feeling? I don't think anybody's going have Bad movie in the first round of pick not a bad movie but I don't think anybody's gonna to be upset. Nothing soft. No Nobody is like, goddamnit. this is a three movie draft and I get the fourth pick or something. I'm gonna take taxi dririver and Oscars. Um I am I would be happy to take it. I happy take a bunch of other movies here with the second pick, but taxi drivers' one. I revisited recently And u pretty good. Yeah, and also like I forgotcririver exceent Yeah.'s one of my favorite movies everve made. I forgot how like Beyond being like sad to watch a man descend into hell, it's also melancholy. And you know it's like an incredible portrait of loneliness and an incredible portrait of like A guy who doesn't know how to relate to the rest of the world and how that drives him insane ultimately. but also obviously just like one of the great New York films one of the most incredibly orchestrated movies when it comes to like the visuals matching up against the sound the score, which is always what kind of haunts me about this. And then some of the most virtuistic dazzling sequences You know, that you can imagine from Scorsese and D Niro. Kind of in a zone that few people have ever gotten to. So tax driver. You know, normally, If I lost out on the Beakula movie and the Scorsesee movie I would be absolutely devastated. But you your number one the board laid into my hands and I feel so good. That' thing is if I had taken this what you're about to take, you'd probably be like awesome. I'm. I'm going to go ahead. I would't be ups. Yeah. Yeah, I would have been I would have been a little bit disappointed because my number one the number one on my board is coming. But any other thought, I mean, taxi driver It's not on the list of movies that I watch every like eighteen months or so. and I feel like it what it's exploring and what you just described It kind of never goes out of fashion, unfortunately. It feels like it is right on top of the surface all the time And a lot of that is due to Paul Schrader tpping into something that I don't think expires. Some of a lot of it is the De Niro performance A lot of it is the sense that like There's always somebody who's unhappy in this country about how the politics is going and that the movie really taps into that too in this or at least they use their discom their dissatisfaction with politics to project something from their own unhappiness. and That just that idea alone makes it a timeless movie Um my favorite scene always changes with this movie, but it's always a scene where Travis is talking to someone and they're like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? Yeah? You know, whether it' Peter Boyle outside of the diner or any civil Shepherdner cil Shd Yeah. O you know, anytime he's got somebody in the back of his cab and they're chatting. in those scenes sometimes Travis is like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy in the back seat like Martin Scorsese Yeah The way mental illness is portrayed in movies is interesting. We were talking about this with Captain Newan The history of that's very interesting You know, you want to be thoughtful about the way it's portrayed. And in taxi driver He's u He's not only sick. He's not only ill but he's scary He's realistically scary. if you've ever encountered somebody who's having an episode or who is mentally ill, but also has, you feel in them the capacity for violence. There's a There something happens inside you, right? There's a kind of Fight or flight impulse takes hold and De Niro just absolutely taps into. But he's it's not the strange unhoused person shambling down the street. He's very still in the movie. you know, he's that different kind of menacing that is even scarier where you feel like he actually is in att least believes he's in control as opposed to someone kind of flailing their arms and going crazy. It's still just such an amazingly Impactful movie. I saw almost every movie we're going talk about in the movie theaters My parents took me to see taxi driver when I was ten. That wow to a drive it And then they were like, here's your dirt bike. C here's your unsupervised le. Be you go any further, I have to ask you a question about this because I'm thinking about this with my own parenting You know, I feel growing up being exposed to things at a young age got me where I am today Yeah. Yeah better and for worse. agree. I really I liked the way that I was matured by the culture I'm now thinking a little bit harder about what the impact of that would be on my kid And you know, you turned out wonderfully, but you did also write Bug and Killer Joe. Yeah And so and look how that worked out for him. Yeah. And we're lucky to have that But the thing and the thing about that isiously touched by by you know, a a genius quality. You got to get that's that's that's luck of the draw. That's just like you got it or you don't got it If you don't got it and you watch B if I showed Alice bug at eleven, the way that you saw a taxi driver at eleven How would that go over? How would that get into her bloodstream? Well, I saw a taxi driver at ten. Do rememember I had seen Serpico at six. I mean my folks exposed me to a lot of and I really just think they just didn't wantan to pay for a sitter That's another reason why I wanted to And I I think differently about it with my own kids. I mean I think my kids are going to have it tougher than I had it. I think the world is going to be a harder place And so I'm trying to extend their childhood as far as I can. Oh, that's beautiful. So I'm not exposing them to stuff like this yet. Okay. Now I did say to Haskell the other day who was asking about something. I said, when you're fourteen, you watch watch anything Watch anything on the shelf. I don't care Okay, but even Rus Myyers up. You can watch Rus Myyers up at fourteen. Esciting. Taxi driver is the first movie they ever took me out of We were in the driving. Oh and when they go back to Jody Foster's place, which is fairly late in the movie. Yeah. my mom said Dennis, I'm very uncomfortable. And we drove out and they went back the next night and saw it. Oh, and I didn't see it until Well God forbid, you didn't see the day I mightize. No, I bet that's sw. That would have been a little tough to endure that final stretch That That's another thing. Speaking of the times, that's a wonderful detail that I think is in the Mr. Scorsese dooc when they talk about this film, but just the way in which they changed Um the color tone of that final sequence because of concerns from the u the NPA board rating and, you know, that sort of Fantasia of violence that Bickle goes on Um And how just turning that black more red and brown Yeah and making it seem like it seems like a desent to hell, but it's also a little bit harder to tell what is happening in each individual bullet hole and you know That's one of those things where some of that is chance, some of that is artistic, someome of that is a product of the times and what was allowed and what was not allowed I would just the thing that haunts me about this movie, I think you're talking about this being a harder world to grow up in than the one that maybe taxi driver entered, but its gift and its curs is, I think it was very prescient about a sentiment of a great you know, a rain will come and wash all this away. You hear that echoed in a lot of extremism now. And like I kind of just Inhumanity. and hatred for people that I think is sadly like very on the nose of like when you read about like some of the stuff in the world and you just are like Jesus Christ, like Yeah, we've really fallen. so Way to go, Paul Trader. You got us nnaailed. Tapped into something Um Do the thing, brother. Go for it Well, I'll be taking Network in drama. which is a movie I've spoken about quite a bit on this show And we just spoke about it on the Duvall Hall of Fame and his scene in that movie, which is one of the most electrifying examples of acting that I've ever seen I I've been thinking a little bit about like why I got into journalism and writing and broadcasting and all these things that I find myself in. this relates to Presidententss Men, two of the three or four best movies of the year being about these worlds U I never thought I would be camera in front of me while I speak, sure.. And yet here I am. Y, Howard Beling my way through this Um I've said before like this is the movie that really, I think made me feel like a grownup. It taught me a bit more about how the world really works or I thought how it really worked And it's been called presressent many times Chaevsky's script being having like, It's such an eerily predictive quality. and more so every year. similar to taxi driver, kind of never expiring The other thing about this movie though, is that it's a lot of fun It's very entertaining. I think that's a little bit lost in the discussion of it because it feels so powerful and so stoked by this kind of paranoia and corporate malfeasance in the work of journalism and in the work of telling the truth N what Net Baby is doing is mo he's a lot of fun What Faye Dunaway is doing this movie is a lot of fun. Robert Duval is a lot of fun. He's having a great time and that kind of like pop opera that Chaiaski was so good at really, really clever style of soliloquy writing that he was best at It's just really entertaining. and this is a movie that like shouldn't appeal to thirteen year olds given what it's about. but when I saw it, I was just taking, it was like on a magic carpet ride away into like the rest of my life basically Well, it should. It understands that what it is talking about is that its subject is manufactured to be as broad as possible. and it's showing you the machinery, but also recreating the product. That'. Eespecially once he is Not just when he's looking down the barrel of the camera and talking about how You know, hes he's had enough bullshit Yeah, But once he starts becoming the host of a variety show, effectively in which he is, you know, a tent revival preacher, spepeaking about how Pitics, God and the self operated society, like we have so many examples of people who do this now So you know, it's also such an incredible mishmash of acting styles. I was rewatching some scenes from last night and I was like How do they get Peter Finch and Ded Baby on this side of like ham And then Duval and Fay Dunaway doing this very kind of like loose but very present realism in their in their performance. and then Holden is just fucking pickled and dying in front of you the entire movie. Y. You one of the saddest performances of the But how do they Lumette making all of that work in the same frame, same scene, same movie is just always amazing to me Superb. You took it in drama I did. because that's another one in several categories. It could be a comedy could be could be Oscar. could be a wild card. I certainly laugh a lot while watching it. two selections. I knew those were going to be the first three the board. Yeah. So I was just like J not last Anything but last as I was last time It's very clear the fix is in. I understand You think Jack Sanders has done something you get two pickure, you could really upset the apppple card. Yeah, I know. and I'm You're about to do that. do my best. Okay. I want to acknowledge the best three movies of this year to my mind have been taken off the board. Is that a consensus opinion? No. I think though we're always going to be the first three picks That That's the argument that you're making Yes that this year is this year. Th because it's got these those three movies top of the top time. in like still referenced still we could say, you know, both like reflective but also predictive of where we are for all three of the anal list if we were doing a draft of our favorite movie. Yeahah, the hundred greatest aics ever made. Yeah. they would in that compation. And greatest performances, screenplay, you know, all of it. agree In Blockbuster, I'm going to take Rocky M. Okay A movie with personal residence? Yes. You wantan to speak about that? Dleting it I saought movie theaters in nineteen seventy six It's a terrific U experience to watch in the movie theater with people. It's such an exciting movie and such a Such an excellent screenplay You know, the moment when Rocky knocks down Apollo the first time. is such a In some ways, now feels like such an obvious sports movie moment, but watching that film Something about the way that moment was disguised was such a surprise. I mean, people leapt out of their seat when they saw it So a thrilling movie to see in the movie theater. Now I've done this movie called play Rocky, which is coming out later this year. So I revisited Rocky and I put it on for me and Care and Kare's like, Oh, we're going to watch Rocky. like she's seen this. she knows it And I asked her a question about the end of the movie, which she got wrong So we watched the movie and she was like, again, like most things that we watch, she was like, Oh, I've never seen this before. Yeah. And we got to the end of the movie and she said, I thought it was a sports movie I didn't realize it's a character study. S, this is why This is why everybody because I think they should have stopped making these Goddamn movies after Rocky I think the world would be a better place if they had stopped at Rocky, if they had stopped at Alien I think they should have just stopped. Well now did they make a billion dollars? Yes. That's an interesting opinion. And that's why people don't like No you're beloved Rocky two is very good And there is there are people who believe it it is better Then Rocky one. You're wrong No Absolutely wrong I prefer watching Rocky too Rocky Rocky one is extremely slow And not is it is it is deliberate in its character study in a way that can'tibly find a little dull at times And now the final twenty minutes My wife did not find it though. Never did she find it. Well she also wouldn't have been excited by more boxing in it though Like she wouldn't have been like, oh, I thought I thought that this was there was going to be more sports. Like she was like high avoided. So maybe it's a question of what you're looking for in a movie? What was the question that she got wrong? Do Rocky win the end? Yeah.,'s o. And he does not of course. Right. Spoiler alert for Rocky. fifty years ago U You know, I was thinking about as a person who likes Rocky and has never loved Rocky Would I have drafted it at all Like would it have been inauthentic to have drafted it before you worked on I play roocy Would you have described yourself as a rocky person? I would have described myself as a person who really loved and enjoyed the first film. Diminishing returns for me after that. I saw two in the theater I saw three in the theater or at home. B's pretty fun. and I four is Dolph Lundrren? It is. Yeah, that by that time he dies, he dies. I was out. So I feel about CR on these drafts. Philadelphia, Rocky thoughts? I mean he's obviously a city icon. probably care more about At this point in my life, I care more about the Creed character played by Michael B. Jordan than I do about Rocky. Interesting. He has supplanted Rocky as your phhilly icon Well, I just think it's like good It's okay to move on. Like Tracy said, like we've made so many of these movies, Celvester Stallone has refused to let go of it in a lot of ways or did And I just find myself like kind of being energized and stimulated by like a new take on it, you know, and a new take on the mythology of the boxer. you know U play Rocky,' good. You're going to like it H That's my selection. Shall I move on? Did you ask to do this draft? Just so you could promote your film? You know me. The reason I like to come on here is to tout to try to the run up his numberers see your long as. That's Rocky, you took first and your second pick U in comedy horror, I'm going to take care of No. damn it. C. I mean, I knew that I knew I wasn't gonna get it, but I'm bummed out Oh good, I'm glad somebody's upset about my c If I were to get that, I would have feel very good I think Sissy SpaceX should have won bestest Actress.. Okay, listen, she's incredible in it, but like don't don't bring that to Fadee Donaway in Network, which is the most important. I think Cy SpaceX should haveon best l time. And I think Piper Lauri should have won best supporting act. I'm good with that, but Fade Dunaway, keep your Oscar She does win for Coal Miner's daughter, right? She gets hers. I think she's an underrated actress, She tried to get the Palma and director somewhere? No I also think they should have stopped making jump scares after carrying. I think jumps s because I hate jump scares. I think they should have retired them after it's not been one as good as the jump scares. You know what's funny? This movie's jump scares R A editing tricks were used before this and are now used after it, but for whatever reason Palma cut. just feels different than other directors' cuts. and you feel it in in the In the prom scene You feel it with the hand coming out of the grave, like the couple of moments where you're You're just astonished by what's just happened And you can be like startled. It's not the same as being astonished. There is something different in this movie, the kind of film grammar that he's working with that is so Great, I'm really glad you got this. Amy Irving lives in my little town New York. Hi, Amy I think shes of the big picture I don't know Well next time here You could say, hey, I said hello to you. should on a podcast. And a recently selected Crossing D Lan, one of her best films. moiery' for movies.ry's favorite. I wonderether what you're reacting to is what he cuts to Because like there's jump cuts, there's jump scares in the Cjuring movies and it's like in the dark, it kind of like, Okay looking ghost. And just the cut is scary. L you're like, o, yeah. But when he cuts, he's fucking like, and now this goddamn image. also like the use of split screen where you're seeing two things at the same time and your mind is expected to process them both and they're both scary. Yeah. It's the look on her face and the fire and something falling in the gymnasium simultaneously. That just creates like an energy inside me that like most modern horror movies just can't really can' they can't pull that off. Harry, she just needed somebody to say you got this mama. so tr. This is still probably the best movie about high school ever made. I think in addition to an interesting draft idea are rightt? H school movies. Yeah, but it's an opposing coun technical achievement. Yeah opposing council and high school movies. You gott explain because that we weren't recording about agree of opposing councils in in the bathroom. That's what happens when these three men go to the bathroom. Do you think we should start bringing mics to the bathroom They all just they were like gonna go to the bathroom before a record that came out and we're just being like, well Kevin Bacon and a few good m. He is very good in that, even though Tracy doesn't like that movie Moving on. You're a big dog Okay, so I carry unbumped. Harry and and Rocky and I'm up Okay Well, I know what two movies I'm going to take And I don't know get one pick, right? Sorry, I know what one movie I'm going to take. I know what two movies I want. And I gott to figure out what is the right category for them both in blockbuster I will take the bad news bears Now Some of the now this is in my opinion, the best comedy of this here. And also the last truly great to me blockbuster This is a funky blockbuster year. It sure is. and Carry, I was betnd on Care there. that didn't. shake out too well for me. Bad news bears top five sports movie ever made. One one of the fununniest and sweetest and sincerest, but also mischievous movies of its time, The great Michael Richchie, Walter Mathon, ever better Buttermaker M elite stuff from Fr Jack El Haileyve they should have stopped making Bad news Bears movies after Bad news Bears? Yes. a thousand percent. I do And I saw this in the movie theater, and it was Fantastic time. Yeah for a little ten eleven year old boy. It was a great time. Did you say you just checked you just saw Yeah I remember that I watched it while we were in Vegas for cinema c. That. And obviously, you know, I knew bad news bears because of the remakes and also just as kind of a reference point, like a thing that you say now But I sat down to you and I said, Hey, that was so charming. Yeah. Im just absolutely delighted by every minute of it. and also genuinely funny which As we've said, you can't say for many of these comedies. Yeah, and like a pretty good representation I think of what Little League is like to be honest with you. Oh yeah. you know. Richie Richie had such a great as I recall. Richie just had such a great feel for that kind of middle class, suburban lifestyle. Smile was his movie right before this about teeenenage beauty pageants and That movie like this one has a similar kind of sensibility about just show showing people in very very relatable Milieu. Yeah, and he's really good at at movies about ian You know, like downhill racer, the candidate, smile, the bad news bears, semi tough That whole period of movies is all people competing with one another and what it kind of brings out in you and what it awakens in Buttermaker, what it reveals in these kids This is a really, really fun movie. H five movie run, downhill racer, the candidate Uh I'm crime cut U smile and then bad news bears. for my money, it's the best five movie run. in American movies. Have you said that on this show? I know you've said that to me before. I don't know if you've evered. Pro probably said it on letter booxed. A there you go, brother. We't Didn't we put downhill racer We did their reed herd fall you didn't say it then. One of our faves. You know, I'm an old man. I repeat myself a lot.. okay. You know, also, Wildcats, Digstown, like he kept making movies in this world. He. He is the great sports movie maker of our time U, feel good about that. Is that me now? now it's your turn Don't fuck me Well, don't fuck me I'm going take Gohead It's okay. It's fine. You can. No's f. I It's okay. It's all right I'm going to take Deepen your eyes. Okay, And I'm gonna take the Omen and blockbuster. Okay, good. That's good. Okay. Thank you. because this we're running out. I've heard of this, but you guys are say Damen. Right. And this is also so his name isn't Damian Omen. It's not Damian. But that's what Bill calls him. Yes. Bill. they recently reid it Oh son of Jim Omen. Yeah. S. Jim. Jim and Judy Omen Okay, that's good. Yeah. yeah,. Itill still a pretty disturbing movie, you know? I enjoy this film, I think I like to laugh at this movie more than I am afraid of it Um, but there's some great set pieces It's got a pretty good backbone of story. Gregory Pck decent in it Wonderful score onene of the great st.' the woman throwing herself out the window still fucks fucks at you a little bit. Plate glass window. That's a great kill I think it won the Academy Award for scores. A Iarong Goldsmith?. It's really a good score a franchise I don't quite understand.ve I've tried to. I think I got pretty deep into the Omen franchise when we did Omen on rewatchables and I was like Watching the Sam Neil version of Grown Up, Damen. Yeah Have you seen the first Omen? You know about this? I did. The movie came out a few years ago enjoy wa. that was good. That's terrific movie. That's when it came out a few years. That' when I became aware of Damiian Oomman Yeah From the first oleen. Yes. No, yeah, yes. becausecause it was back in the news. This was a terrific. Night at the with the big bucket of popcorn in the movie theater nineteen seventy six. Yeah. Remember it very You got it in Blockbuster, right? I did. Yes Um Never one of my movies as somebody who's really obsessive about the history of horror. I don't for whatever. thing I I don't really know how scary it is. I think it's because it's made by Richard Donner, who's clearly like not that interested in horror And there are things about the movie that he's interested in obviously like this kind of like uptight elite couple having something come into their lives that disturbs their gentle upper middle class lifestyle, but It just kind of feels like everybody's slumm it a little bit. So like G Gregory Peck slumming it a little bit. You say that, but I will say that I like when Doors of his generation might him Burt Lancaster, like guys who are just like Yeah, I like working and I'm going to try this out and I'm going to play with like my image and I'm going to play, you know, he's he's made some pretty provocative stuff over the course of his career He's kind of, I don't know if he's like held up as like still like one of the great Hollywood actors, but it's a good question Gregory attch, Well Not only that, but I mean, obviously it's made in the wake of the Eorcist, which just made so much money. Now we can cite a thousand examples of low budget, low rent, exorcist knockoffs Here was an example of a studio going We want some of that exorcist money down. And it's just big budget Hollywood filmmaking get us big stars you know, kids will come see it for the demonic possession but we're gonna to get the adults to come see it because Gregory Peckinley Remic are in it. Right And and it's pntal anxiety. We went as a family. I remember my folks wouldn't have gone my folks did not go to see the exorcyist in the movie theater. And it's in a tradition of like the haunted child going back to the bad seed in movies like that too. So there's some tradition there. And I noticice you're wearing the Steely Dan Gaucho Sashhirt. If you wanted to be On time with seventy six, I think it would have been the Royal Scam. Do you have a Royal scam sweatshirt? I don't. Okaykay. well, so much for that. I did a grizzly t shirt. Yeah. The film Grizzly Yeah One of my favorite traditions is when you correct people and or movies for having anachronistic moovie, a music, cues or references. much yought it up Oh yeah, please show them show back Yeah. Yeah yeah And Nice. That's really nice. now are you purposefully evoking The era right now with your garb I'm not. Oh like he's like, Like, he's like the guy in Gaucho, like try again L a. Like I'm dressing for the for the nineteen seventy six podcast. Jm just asking. I did not dress for the nineteen seventy six podcast sorry You get two now. I do Okay. I know what I'm gonna to do. in Oscar. Because many of my Oscar picks are already off the board because again of the of the way this draft works So I will be taking Marathon manan This is in Oscar. I'm sorry. No are you gonna to take it? Well, I just didn't I honestly just don't like any of the other blockbusters and I'm trying to take moes that I at least like feel like I have a relationship to, but this is one of my favorite. This would have been like my second pick maybe, like honestly It's so good. And it is really is where Our interests meet You know,oy S trailer, Roy Shter in Paris. The movie for me does drop off slightly in quality spoiler alert once Roy Shedter is no longer the picture becomes a movie about dentistry, which you're not sure. But that's true. I think Marathon Man is probably why. You know What a zag for you. A movie about a dentist.ight, sure. But is he using the dentistry for good Well, he's a Nazi. So, you know, not c notot really Uh yeah, Roy Shadder in Paris by Thriller Really, really delightful. And Olivier was nominated in Sorting Actor, I believe. So Then in drama. Hold on. Can I tell a quick marathon An story? Yeah, please. So it's William Goldman. My friend TJ Jaganowski, do you know him? No, He's a great improviser. onene of the greatest improvisers alive. You might know him from the Sonic commercials. He was on them for a long time veryer funny. Anyway, he's a Chicago and he's on the train in Chicago And he's on the train and there's a young couple on the train twenty years old The boy is explaining to the girl the plot of three days of the condour He's watched the movie and he's telling her the story three days of the condor on the trainight. TJ has us back to them And he's fascinated not only that this twenty year old kid has watched Three Days of the Condor, Not only that he feels the need describe the entire plot to his girlfriend, but that he's so good at it. It really compleplete summation of the plot points. of three days of the condor. TJ is kind of fascinated to hear this kid because, you know, there's some it's a convolution some spine. Yeah, absolutely takes her all the way through it until he gets to the climax of three days of the condor and he says And then Homeboy made him meet a bunch of diamonds She so wanted and turned and finally he was like D't fall what was happening. Reing good on the couch Watching one and wake up at the endning of the other. It was amazing. That's the most like I plagiarized this from A andI I've ever heard. Do you imagine if you just took every movie with a twist and then Brad Pitt gets out into the desert and then homeboy makes me likeess. Js fy. How strange. Oh That's funny. I think of it every time I think of a marathon man. We just watched recently mee and the nny.reat fun. Terrific movie movie.s delightful mov Okay What I'm going to do here in and this is taking a little bit of risk, but I think that this is what would probably go next if I know my audience. So in drama. I'm going to take Mike Unicki Uh, the Elaine May Masterpiece And that explained men to me, you know? And I spend a lot of time with them, even though I'm not privy to the bathroom conversations. and watch husbands and Mikey andicky in succession. It's true. Those are all the boys in your life. That's You know, and now I'm raising the next generation. So I'm trying to study, I'm trying to learn, I'm trying to avoid the mistakes of the past, which are enumerated in excruciating detail And Mikey and Nicki And u at least none of them are gangsters S know Yeahah, that's you mean the In my Kinene or in our life In our life.. Yeah, as far as I know. but we don't we't know what's gonna to happen to my sons. So It's a great point. You took that in drama? I took it in drama. Okay, great great great movie. Wonderful movie I would just add that Cast ofveettes is very powerful to me personally. E? Yeah, even, you know, given Despite all the problems very evident in this film and everything else, I just, I really, really get it Y Your board is very strong. Thank you. She's looking very solid. Yeah Um, picking spot, I would say. nice to have the number one pick. I think Yes, but she's chosen well pletely Thank you. I'm not going just put it all on the spot. She's chosen well. It's not over yet U this movie is I think a lot of like our guys are very influenced by this movie. Yes. and a lot of the tone where This movie doesn't have the tone a gangster movie, even though it's about gangsters, and it makes a lot of choices And on the verge of nervous breakdown. It is. It's a lot of like the personal anxietyen also on the verge of aervous breakdown. Even down to Ned Batady as the hitman, who is the most unlikely of hit men, who's kind of bumbling and not suave and not cold blooded Um Big year for Ned Baiting Awesome. ye. Network, Mikey and Nicki and Silver Stream. That's right. We may get to Silver Streak, we'll see. You grabbed two? I did. Rarathon Man and Mikey, and Nicky. Very good pick. S how you're up. In action thriller, I'm gonna take out Law Joseie Welloyes. Hot fucking damn, hot fucking damn it. One of the great Clint Eastwood movies, onene of his best performances, a very interesting film to read about the making of Phil Kauman's involvement with it the Eastwward rule that came in because you're not allowed to get rid of a director and replace yourself replace the director with yourself if you're the star apparently.. Which I think I wonder if has happened kind of behind the scenes a couple of times, but at least officially this became like a DJA thing, I think. Um a story about A Confederate soldier. who tries to run to Texas after a huge confrontation with the union. and disappear from the war and disappear from a life of violence and the violence in the war just won't let ' them go away. get away. So Um Asolutely gorgeous movie to look at and to think about his style evolving out of his experiences with Leone and his experiences on TV and everything and really starting to find his own voice and his own his own editing rhythm, his own photography, Is this Certes shot us fucking incredible look at a movie Beautiful four K I'm so glad somebody said it before I did. I'm so glad I did not have to break a beautiful Honestly, you got that Steel book? I just got the Warner one.. You just couldn't let it go, could you Um I think that this is in the conversation for his best performance too, because he's asked to play something that he very rarely plays in movies where he literally breaks down crying in this movie. Yeah when his family is killed. he resisted that a lot of times as a star. He didn't really let himself get into that. And he's also got, what is the name of the Native American actor in this film? Chief Dan George. Chief Dan George And their chemistry is so wonderful in this movie This was God I really I maybe should have taken this in the first go round because it's definitely one of my favorite Clint movies. Yeah. and I was, you know, you can also feel This is a guy who's watched Kuroswa movies, like this is a guy who actually has like a kind of international sensibility when it comes to applying it to Western. And this is also one I used to watch with my dad all the time. This would this would be on TBS, this would be on movie channels or we had on tape and it would just kind of be on a lot This impale rider A Little little bit of a pickle here. Yeah, you are Um You are because I got two picks. Summ down the track Yeah You sure do I don't think there's there's not I don't think there's anything that could be taken away from me. devastate me at this point So I need to just follow my truth for the rest of this draft, which means I will lose this draft, but have a slate that I enjoy. Okay. J'ust just gonna foreground that there's a couple of movies I wanted to get coming in here. Has everybody picked Blockbuster I have not. you have not You have? I did. You have. I have That's why I picked the Omen so early got it Boy It's okay, you have networks No no, not're not a disaster. And you have bad news bears, which is incredibly charming in Theriiller in action I will take assault on prerecin thirteen Okay, which so glad you did this. whichich is John Carpenter's second feature film. and among his best Uh And I was directly inspired by Howard Hawk's Ro Bravo and is a kind of trapped in one place shootout movie that is Absolutely scintillating. and like an example terrifying in some places. Yeah. and like a great example of what can be done on a modest budget. Um and is definitely the skeleton key for, I think a lot of where his movies are going, even as they got bigger in scale The like style tone smmart Alen Micker Yeah the wide style that he looks at Um greatreat performances in this movie. The underrated performances And Just the announcement of like a major genre filmmaker who. is one of my all time f was watching this last night and I forgot how un unnerving those opening scenes with the gang driving around LA with the with a rifle with a silencer pointed out the car window and they keep stopping at different people and eyeing them up And then they they fuck up that ice cream in Who What is the actor's name? Is it Austin Stoker? What happened to Austin Stoker? Is he still with us P? I don't know Let me take a look Yeah, I guess he passed in twenty twenty two And have you seen the remake of this? I did it. It'sin Hak and B and Srisbourn and I kind of liked it o made it? you know I'm not sure. And while we're on the topic, have we seen the remake of bad news bears Oh sure, Richard Lin Clater It's not very good. Yeah pointingilly Bob Interesting because both of these movies have been remade. Johann Francois Riche also made No other movies that I've ever heard of Not a movie that needed to be remade. A in precin thirteen Um Thanks. Was that in your realm of interest? Absolutely. Okay. I certainly had it on my list. I wasn't trying to take anything from you, per se, but you know All right, I'm gonna take a bit of a Category category reach. I think it qualifies ion thriller I'm going to take the killing of a Chinese bookie. This is from. This was my other Yeah. It was literally either a soslmon Ping thirteen or this I chose my Kandicki instead of this for my There were two cass of tes on the board this year. But this is the one that my husband was willing to watch with me He was like, Hey, I heard you're doing seventy six. What do you got to watch And then and then he picked Ky Tr's booky. . M. The longest one. See, I don't I disagree. I like the shorter one. I do too I think those the Well there's a great story R right where there is Gazar is a Gazar, who's like this is fucking long. No no, I thought it was the reverse. I thought it was Gazar, who was like, I gotta you gott to show me when I'm doing this and Cast Cast of Eds is shorter. Yeah. the director Yeahah theirector's kind of shorter It's a hundred minutes versus like a hundred No. I thought it was the theatrical cut. I thought they screened the movie at one hundred and thirty five minutes and Gazard didn't like it Oh, and he made him c He said aybe I'm wrong,aybe mayaybe it's the way around. No, I think now I think you might I thought he wasn't done editing, and they were like, you have to put this out. But then the edit, the one hundred eight minute version, he moves those scenes all over the place. like the movie is very different. Very different opening. Yeah. And there's lot stuff, I guess in the nightclub. I've just got A lot more patience for mr sophhistication than I did As a younger man. Now I could say watch Mrter F. It's like all night long Um This is a this draft. This movie I think it is one of the better movies about where the lead character is like a stand in for the filmmaker. the idea of a person who's like What I'm really interested in is like the design and the world and the artistry that I'm putting into this nightclub and everybody's there to watch girls dance and be entertained Yeah and that You come to show business for the in the circumstance you don't come for the artistry, and Castavedd' being totally tortured. I love that idea that's in the movie that's so at the forefront of it. All the scenes of him just calling the club being like, no, no, who's on stage right now? What song are they singing? Why is she out there alone? It's really, really, really about Los Angeles public transportation. Yeah Best use of playayboy playmates, I think, ever in in a film. Over apocalypse now you got me You got me. But those are not Are they real pl? like Cing camp. Yeah. What a week for calling camp on the big picture? right. Happy for her. Oh, there's the another great story about this where he asked a whole bunch of studio heads to come sit and be in the crowd Club then he like blurred all their faces purposefully so you can't see them. which is just like with the way that the lighting is set up. So they thought they were being gratified by being able to appear in a movie and then he fucked them over, which is such a little he's such a little fucker. When Seamor' selling all the guys take Ghazara to like, deli on sunset and they're just like all like huddled in this deli drinking beers and like are like, so let's take out a third mortgage joy on your house whver pay out your poker debts I always am happy to see Timothy Carerey in a movie and he's great in here. and I also have special affection for this because I saw it at I saw in Dallas, Texas with a Q and A with cassavetes afterwards. Oh sure excited toar Cassip. what do you think ike a guy trying to get money together to make a movie. was like that was all he was All he was about. So interesting Okay, you got another pick You Do everybody have drama I do I do s so interesting the thriller action is all filled up. I feel like that's a healthy category. No It is. It was a little bit about C of the last minute category S So I just wasn't as it may work out for you really well. In drama, I'm going to take lifeguard You are the number one lifeguard fan on this podcast. You've brought you so many people. No, I haven't D you watching I think you would like it. I w sure I would too. I I'm sure that I would. This is the, um Sot Sam Elliot. I was thin I was thinking about the pants, which is has that episode come out yet? That has not come out. ye. H physical media come out by the time people hear this? Okay, so complimenting people on their pants and complimenting S Elliott on his pants is what kind of I thinking about ps. story. ye. Yeah It was good I forgot about that. It's been a long week. I just it was just a terrific movie. Carrie and I were just we watched it together. we'd never seen it. We were both just kind of knocked out by what a good film it is and a film that that as Tim was saying the other day on the podcast, it kind of gets deeper as you get further into it. it seems to be a very light thing when you start by the end of it, it's actually It actually gets kind of deep and it's a it's a great Sam Elliot performance Early Anne Archer and maybe first Kathleen Quinlan appearance Yes in Lguards I'm done Eenrock I've got anotherick huh So I'm currently missing comedy and h comedy or horror Oscar and Wild card Oscar, what a fascinating Oscar year. Most of the big dogs taken up front There's also some good movies left though. Yeah. someome movies I really like Um, I think I think what I'll do is I'll just take a movie I really love, which is Harlem County USA in A You fuck you fucking motherf. You fuck Fuck you and a horse you fucked Sorry. Now, you guys did that nine hundredth show and that little boy listens to the. Notie More does if you're listening, I just wan to say Mico You fuck Micko, it is just me and you here. about waso. sweet. He made Sean cry. Unpleleasant. I was so touched by that. I really was It was real factory owners shit right here. you know. Yeah I have probably said on the pod before. I think this might be the greatest American documentary ever made Barbara Copp's film about what happens in a coal mine and the company that owns it and the folks who work in it and the way in which they organize and stand in the face of the corporation Um A movie about real people that shows real people as they are in a direct way, which is very hard to do and this movie Being recognized in its time, I think is really fascinating and really powerful at winning Best Dcumentary feature. It's that collision of social impact and filmmaking artistry. And you know, Cop's made a lot of really great movies over the years But this one It's similar to some of the movies that we took at the top of the draft alsoso feels as though it is not expiring, still very relevant. Oh, very long. Still very mayaybe more so than it hasnt been a long time. Yeah, ye. and very watchable I mean, there's sequences in this. I mean, even just the descending into the minds in the beginning, I mean, like where you're like, well, this is as good as anything in any action movie from this this year when you and some real like I don't really understand like There are moments where you're like, I can't believe there was a camera here for this. Yeah. She also just there's a There's just a filmmaking style where you could have made this movie as purely observational, but she gets this just into camera testimony from people on the scene frequently where you see them And they don't feel like blinkkered by the idea of media. It's not like a performance that they're giving because they're being asked a question with someone holding a camera. It feels authentic it seems like an insufficient word to explain. the way in which they're communicating about what's going on. and some of that is the trust that Kopel has built with the people in the community. Some of that is just people not knowing how to be any other way. Yeah, this movie is like a is a one on one for documentary filmmaking. I was going to rewatch it for this draft and didn't and then realized, oh, it's okay. It's pretty pretty imprint in your mind. I feel the same way. I watched it in college. I' probably watch it one time since but Definitely one of my favor I think on DVD on in the Criterion collection but I don't think it's notaded. Yeah., not on B and home. I would love a bara Copple box that actually. I only say this for the kids out there who might want to try. Yeah No, it's important. Yeah. didn't want you to think I was turning this into a physical media I recognize Um, all right. CR You have a pick your, bud What do you I left, Chris? I got drama. Wild card and comedy horror sci fi and a drama I'm going to takeake Kings of the Road U this has been veendndors' Rather epic, but also very intimate road movie about a very depressed therapist Film projection repair manan, driving around Germany and talking about stuff about their lives and going to hang out with exes and their dads and Really just trying to, you know, It's basically a blueprint for Link Later. It's a blueprint for Jarmush. It's shot by Robby Mueller in an extraordinary black and white photography A It's a hangout movie. and it's a thinker, but it's it's kind of just like you can just kick back and watch these guys wash their clothes and walk around in circles and fill up the tank with gas and stuff like that. It's very durational. It's very just Just watching life unfold. But for me, it's the cinematography that I really come back to. Mueller winds up, you know, obviously shooting stuff Man unt live die in LA. and Jarmish movies like downown by law, I believe and, you know is one of my favorite cinematographers in film history, so to watch him kind of and watch him justust really get like an expansive canvas like this. It's just just a really lovely movie It The long movie is our call The hours old. I think ye. And it's kind of it's the last pure German movie that vendors makes right for a long period of time, the American friend comes right after this and then he kind of goes on the Sagas of America, Eix Hammit with the with Cobolaa and Paris, Texas and whatnot movie Okay, Manda. Yes I have two picks in Blockbuster I will take a movie that I like, even if it's the rest of you are Being snobby, a star is born, the nineteen seventy six version, starring Barbara Streisson. I don't know why I always have to come on this podcast and be like Barba Streison is important b Stand. Barbara Streiceand is important. And the movies that she makes that made millions of dollars at the Back Bx office are so important. And you all just kind of like stare at me. What? but it's not a good movie, even okay. Here's why I'm staring at you. I've never seen any version of a star as. Really? I haven't seen this one But I know were in a cocky way. Chr Christopfferson's kind of bringing it in this in my opinion. Sure his Well, that's what he's doing. And so that. And you know, they have some heat that I responded to at the age that I was such a boring movie. That's fine. You can say that. and I had a nice time and it was the second most secondecond highest earning movie of the year So That was a very big hit. Yeah. You've not seen a single a Starsborn film. No. Well let's unpack that I don't have a good reason. Okay There's no it's not it's not like I'm Boycotting a star is bard. I mean Judyarland Judy Gar second one is lights out That's the one I have to see. I mean, that is one of the great screen performances in my opinion. You really should watch that. Amen and I both absolutely love Bradley Cooper's version You might have disagree with us as you often do on contemporary. How can I disagree with you If I haven't seen it Is it becausecause you hate films that center women? Like, what's the issue? I'm not responding to your tyrannical questions. Good. Good for you. Good. It's nice to them. Yeah. But you will and you do hate films that center women, as I understand it. is that correct? S?ot submit to the tyranny. Okay. that's one. that's in Blockbuster. Yes, Blockbuster. And then in comedy horror This is one of the international ones where depending on where you are, You get a different year, but this performance from this film was nominated for the Oscars that we keep referencing. And it was released in the U.S in nineteen seventy six, so I will be taking Cuisin cuisine. Oh yeah sure. Which I had not seen until preparing for this and was completely delighted by it's a French four weddings and a funeral Um And, you know, and as organized, it's romantic comedy organized around two people who are cousins, but by marriage, so there's no kind of bloodline issues going on here. Fr And it is France. They are also married unlike in for weddings and funeral both of them And they keep meeting over a series of family functions and then ultimately decide that that's happy ending that they want to be together They are believable, but the all of the family functions and sort of the weird slice of French sevent' life is So funny and memorable and every weird character is like gets a moment and makes you laugh. Uh and I you know, there are not not a lot of great comedies and certainly not a lot of romantic comedies. I love this pair. Yeah, it's really good. Rantic Is it Marie Christine Barron Yes. And she was nominated for Best Actress Anyway, delightful movie. Did you know there's an American remake I did, but I've never seen it. It's called Cousins Son. I believe. it It's made by Joel Schumach.. Sure. Bill Peterson and Sean Young And a bunch of other people This was discussed. When we spoke about T liiveve Die in LA. and they the re watchatchables because this was one of the movies that Peterson chose as he was kind of dawnning As a movie actor reallyally hit and making that choice instead of some other he was he was offered In this exact same time frrame, the film Goodfells reportedly turned it down to do This Joel Schumacher movie Um, D didn't work out. good pick though Thank you. Very good pick. This one was nominated for not one, not two but three Academy Awards. 's not to you. Wait a minute. didnid't have two? Did you make Yeah, I did a stararsborn you've never seen because you don't You know, care about a life in the arts. Having haaving heard those picks, you still feel that Amanda is winning this draft Uh, yeah, I do I mean, it's fine. We did let women into the frame, but you know, it's okay. it's okay. I have fade Donaways in the frame ch. respect women? in Hared comedy and sci fi. I am gonna take the town that Dreaded Sundown. Ohow. This is intriguing You know It has a mixed reputation for a very good reason. It's a very scary film that then has a very stupid be plot of the law enforcement trying to capture this serial killer called the Phantom who's terrorizing Texas or Cana, I believe. Yes. It's made by Charles Perce, who's from Arkansas and made a bunch of really interesting seventies genre movies set in and around the Southwest and used to distribute them out of the back of his pickup truck. No driving around theater to theater and made fortunes But when you watch downown the Dread Sundown, it's just kind of like especially the opening is really inventive with this voiceover of almost like you're watching a documentary about, you know, people getting back from World War twoI and this town that's thriving, and then this killer that starts terrorizing couples But when the cops, the Texas Rangers, I think, come into this kindind of turns into smoking the bandit a little bit and there's a lot of like, Gee Willkers, where are we going to get the gas for this car? And it was just really planed to a lot of A lot of different kinds of audiences, but The Phantom is a really scary slasher. And I think you can see elements of like Zodiac in this, you know, I don't Fincher likes this movie. This was actually remade This century, I don't remember what year of the Twn the Dread Sundown Remake came out, but it's pretty good But it's u in the movie, the remake It is about how they made the first movie about the Phantom And the tad ss a little bitly twenty seventeenh around that time. Pretty decent movie. Yeah. And yeah, so I'll do that for herorror. Nice. Interesting how many movies were remade from this year? Yeah. Um all right That's a good film, a good pack. I think I needs So need to pick from that category I think I do I'm missing Wildcard and comedy and horror and You tell me if you think this is a comedy because I do I'll take Buffalo Bill and the Indians or sitting Bull's history lesson you're gonna to stay in the realom of the Sits. o.'s comedy. It's a comedy. sure.. Yeah, it's sure What do you think? I I't remember a lot of like laugh out louds on that one. It' it's a cynical view. of the world and I guess entertainment and embittered satireort of the falsity of the American myth. Okay. flag. Well what would the It's not LL, it's like laughing silently to myself. s stroking your music. This is a movie that we did speak about on the Paul Newman Hall of Fame episode. This is the first of two collaborations that he had with Robert Altan, one of my faves A movie about Buffalo Bill Cody in the later stages of his life after hiring publicist and a producer and putting on a big old circus show in the middle of the West where he reenacts. some of his quote unquote greatest achievements, along with a whole cast of characters. Unbelievable cast in this film that includes Burt Lancaster, Joel Greay, Geraldine Chaplin Um Big Harvey Kitel year It sureure is And I might to maybe you'll try torab another Hvey Keto movie before we're done here I think this is more of the great underrated. Altman movies and like very much in keeping with this obsession that he has with people who front and don't reveal the truth about themselves. Do you still have comedy? I'm u took Cry in comedy harbror. Okay Just out of curiosity If we started throwing things all over the studio and saying you can't have it in comedy, I'm curious what your comedy would be Everybody there be The Russ Meyer movie, o, which actually came up on the physical Media episode. and I watched the first time yesterday H a nice time did it without my family at home. Yeah. It it's very funny. I'll bet you laughed more it up than you did out loud at Buffalo Bill. Certainly. yeah. titillated as well That's topic for another time. It's great. Pysical Media High Council bo, which is really that's all those guys are up to. There are some horror movies that I like that are left on the board, but I probably would also consider Silent movie, the Mel Brooks film, which I think is not like one of his best but it' one that I Um You know what? there's more picks to be made, so you're up for two. I saw Buffalo bill for the first time in preparation for this draft. I'd never seen it before. Little on the nose. I love this Altman style. I love all the cast. I love I think that Newman is fantastic in the movie It's cool that they did it, but also it's they They are belaboring the point a little bit Hm Damn Jell like a star is spor It was subtle s of filmaking. Joel Greay, man. Joel Grey was a standout for me in that movie. I thought Joel Greay was superb. He's really great. Burt Lancaster hated making the movie and did not like Robert Allman I don'm not surprised byies. I'm always supposed to be shooting my scenes. Is that your Burt Lancaster My Burt Lancast. I love this's a dirty town. I have Oscar and I have Wildcard left, and I'm making both of those picks right now. are. You are Those aren the last two picks, Then we go back up. We sure do. What do you guys have left J just have wild card L card Wild card. Oh It's like that is it? Should I would have sh my wild card for Harland County if Yeah It was on my w. Bay Gardens was my taking a wild card pick, but it was apparently also my wild card pick for nineteen seventy five. It wasas the seventy five draft when he took Barry Lindon and you went, A Was that that? Did I do that for Barry London? Yes Why I don't know. Well' tell you why cause you're a brat But why why did I I don't remember this? Or maybe it was an Oscars' draft or something It was more recently. We were in this room And you were like, Barry Lindon and you just went, man like it was really One of the funnier. Anyway, but I wish Barry London Perhaps I got the moment phone wrong. I'd have to go back and see. I'm going take out on movie drafts. I'm going to take in wild card The man who fell to earth What category would this movie be eligible in? I was That's why I asked about sci fi. Yeah Um to say There are some of these your relationship to them changes over the years as you watch them. And sometimes you go back to a movie Godfathather partart two, and you go, I'm not liking this as much as I used to like this. Absolutely. But what's thrilling is when you see a movie and you don't like it, and then you go back and you revisit it, and you go, oh, there's more there than I thought. And then you see it a third time and you go, How did I miss this? That's how I felt about Michael Mann's black hat. There you go. That's how I feel about the man who felled to Earth. My third viewing of this I kind of knocked my socks off Perhaps You to the Beautiful four K presentation on the Studio cananal steel My studio and All in the room with you now I appreciate all the work that Studio Canell does I haven't seen this particular four K transfer. Do you guys know the man who fell Earth? Itertainly. broke. No I haven't. haven'ten it. David Bowie R Yeah I know that Candy Clark, great performance. So that's my wild card And in Oscar, I'm going to take I've been really stumping for Nick Rogue on these pods since he came back here He he There was a pocket There's a nroed pocket. It didn't last long, but it's I'm fascinated by those later ones though. and signignificance in Eureka. and those movies are interesting The witches the witches Angel. When did you introduce your kids to the witches Pretty scary. I saw it very early on and it fucked me up. I was a big role doll reader I The witches is my favorite of the Rll doll books. And so I will probably start with that. but it'sook. It is pretty scary. And that's I would say that my kind of line for my kids right now is is it going to cause a nightmare that I have to deal with, you know, at like two AM. We've had a lot of like I had a dream about a scary robot recently because of Star Wars. so which is would be it would be intense. But amazing moie. I think maybe Danny, the Champion of the world is my favorite roll dollbook. Have you read that one I was not a big doll guy good movie about a boy and his father He was a mechanic O because you like do say? Because you like dolls so. No he's anti seemite. I rejected it about him. Do't. Yeah I can play the game. I know how to respond to these questions, I've been writing them my whole life. No he was a wreted anti seemite, but a wonderful writer and creator of stories. did you get see Giant Yet h the stage play with John Letgow where he plays roll doall Oh interestnterest probablyably going to win the Tony Award for a best actor L wass going to win that Have you seen it? No, I will not be going to see it when I go back to Nework next week. I'm going to see a different place. In protest of Doll's views? No, just out of my own personal curiosities. What are you saying it says? Becky Shaw Oh, okay. Oh here it's great. Alden Eren Rke, H herear it's great I a ball from the pit. I hear Alden's great in it too. I can't can't wait. You've always supported Alden. I have in the theater I do In Oscar, I'm going to take Seven Beauties. Lina Wertt Mueller's movie starring John Carlo Gianini. Was he nominated for a Best actor? Joh Carlo Jenini Do not think he was He was he? He was nominated right. He was nominated for Best Actor H Great, funny Horrifying. hilarious, upsetting. all those things and a great performance. He's really great in this movie this sort of in the bucket of this is a movie you kids should see if you haven't seen it. Kids ought to go out haveave you seen seven beauties? No? said One of the great things about this year to Amanda's selection of Cusan Cusin Cuisan cuisine Um, You're ready for can, my guy. It's never been one of my skills. I'll do my best. just like now A lot of international films would find their way into the nominations across the nineteen seventies And we're pretty solidly represented throughout those years. So that's it for you. You're done Yeah How do feel You have Cary, though. I think that's pretty important. In more ways than one. Yeah there you know. That's true. In some ways, that's all you have. U Why don't you pick Tracy just you? I got a wild card here, huh Gh Well, I don't know I don't know what I want to choo What's my favorite movie that's left on the board I don't know, Sean. tellell us I will momentarily. Okay Do you know what you're going to do for Wildcard? Christopher? I'm trying to decide between three things. Oh, wow. lookook at you. I'm wondering if you've seen a movie that I just watched and how you would feel about it. Bernard she's nineteen Aually No five hours? I don't know. was Is nineteen hundred eligible in this year? Why? because it lasts longer than the year I don't really know it didn't come out in seventy seven or seventy don't care for that film. so's got some more morely considering. Because it was not in the English language or what was the reason? No, because I find it to be quite dull somewhat offensive I'll tell you what I'll just keep some consistency with my reallys today. Yeah and I'll take Alan Rudolphs, welcome to L.A which is Not his first film, but his first film under Altman's guidance, one of the first films, the first film released by Lionsgate, notot the Lionsgate that we know, but the production company that Robert Altman launched on his own and released a handful of films, only four that he did not direct. this was the first of them It's a movie, a kind of arch drama about vapid people in Los Angeles gathering in thinking that they have problems when in fact, they do not is features many of the Plers from the Altman cllassics, Keith Caradine, Geraldine Chaplin Harvey Kyel appears in this movie. Lauren Hutt' in this Luren Hutton, Sally Kellerman Um Sissy SpaceX is in this movie It's kind of centered around this songwriter musician played by Carradine C I just stop you for one second about this? One of the things that stopped me from seeing this film for such a long time is on the cover of the video box Carradine has the worst facial hair pererhaps in Ameran hist. Well in the film he does. Yeah. I mean, like it is it is a Really like an abomination of like a ye chin whisker. It got callalls Shaggy from Scuba Doo But he's supposed to just be like the coolest guy moving through LA. But he's also the movie is also very cleverly like this is the Nepo, right? Like his father a powerful music executive has kind of put him in position to be this much sought after songwriter Richard Baskin, speaking of your girl Barbara Streen, who has dated Barbara Streisen for years Um ays a singer in the film and wrote the songs that are performed in the movie. just a really kind of acidic seemingly soft, but Ver jagged portrait of Honestly a milie that's very familiar to me. I just feel like I know a lot of the people in this movie, even though it was made fifty years ago My turn? Y turn So wild card. we all feel a little grim here in theate around. I just like, you know That's the thing is these lineups cannot stack up to the seventy five lineups. That's why there's not as much No all the presresident's men. Yeah we know it. And Marathon manan Yeah, you got a stars' back And Mike Cuine Cuisine I that Cuisine is great. I had the fucking Stepford Wives in seventy five, which is incredible film. I'm sure, but also labor is the point. We get it. Oh my God Since when is subtlety so important to you, this is not something you've expressed in previous episodes of this show Just saying I can speak my truth, which is, you know I think I'll just for the hell of a Tick Logan's run Ture guysice. which probably winds up influencing more stuff that I liked than me loving Logan's run itself, but is All Head fuck of a movie when you think about like, you know, some of the things that the character goes through, it's basically about a guy who You know, it's like a sort of hunger gamesy society where after a certain amount of time people get like sort of farmed out into a competition to see if they can still live, keep going on living. Let me tell you all about it. And yeah, I believe Michael York plays the main character who is one of the hunters of those people, but then becomes the hunted. learns a lot of truths about society in the process. To Tracy's point about the Rocky films, do you think that we should all tap out at thirty that at thirty years old, we should be eliminated from society No, I'm survving. It would be an interesting way to start you know, sitting out The amount of chairs in this draft is to, you know, it's like once you hit a certain amount of drafts, you're done. The bad news would be that this show would never have existed h so yeah, I'll go to Logan's running for last one there. Okay man, you've got one. I have Wildcard, and I'm going to do a discovery, another discovery that I made while watching this and also another documentary. My original plan was to do Grey Gardens in Wildcard which is also what I did in nineteen seventy five. So maybe I think the lineups are comparable because But for me, they were going to be sort of the same. Yeah Uh Anyway, I'm going to do a different documentary Daguerrio Tpe, which an Agnes Var Varda film that was seventy five in France. seventy six in the UK. in the US. so it's eligible U and is a very charming and interesting snapshot of life on the Rue Dag Guer, which is the street where Agnes Farda lived for and it starts with The kind of the perfume shop The shop papers ye Yeah. And it is mostly about the shopkeepers, but it starts with one perfume esque shopkeeper and his wifees Y. And she's interested in them and how they got there starts following everybody else along the street and asks them you know, when they came to Paris and what they do and foollows them along and follows some pretty like disgruntled shopgoers But you know, it's the seventies, so they don't think to just be like, no, no, you can't record me. And Is idiosyncratic in the way that all Bartist films are At some point, she starts asking them about their dreams like literally what their dreams are, not like what do you hope to be not it's not an American thing. it's a French thing. And you know, it's just a way of looking at the world that O Agnes Farta can and So the documentary communicates that and you can't experience it from anybody else's camera. And I liked it a lot. That's awesome. It's a good mov I I don't know that movie? Yeah., I don't know it at all Definitely worth checking out. Great, very short as I recall I say like eighty minutes T minutes Yeahah. And it's streaming on criterion right now Um Honorable mentions. I already regret my wild card because there are some good honorable mentions Well, let's talk about them. Yeah, I'm looking at my honorable mentions and thinking it looks better than my lineup. It is like how the hell did that. Okay. Roman Pansky's the tenant. Just rewatched it recently. Ecellent. That guy knows how to shoot an apartment. Cars at Paris . Was this seventy six? I thought so. Okay. I dont I honest don't remember. I think so, yeah. be crime Ish movies One of which, or maybe both of which I got off of Tracy's letterboxed. a small town in Texas and Jackson County jail I was Jackon County Jail with Tommyee Ty Lee That is a fucked out movie. and Python three hundred and fifty seven which is a Alan Corneau movie basasically French dirty Hirry with Yves Montaine and is in a great Radiance box set I was expecting you to take you who's a graveyard Which is also seventy six. No. I like k Amazon the Yuza, you know, sometimes I want to you know, Okay. You know, there's another Brian D Pala movie from this year called Obsession, which is a movie that I think is bad that I love. U One of the crazier plots that I've ever heard We're seeing obsession. Why don't you recap it right at the end of this movie, is that? Why don't recap it in three sentences don't spoil it Well, people can then he made him eat the diamonds. A homeboy made him eat a bunch of diamonds. The e quote around an obsession is, I don't just like movies like this. I relish them. Sometimes overwrought excess can be its own reward H. H. bus More honorable mentions Well, we should probably mention King Kong, which is not a very good movie, but certainly had delights for a boy who turned eleven in nineteen seventy two. six. That was one of two more remaining blockbusters that were not selected The others are Silver Streak the prior and not, the Prior and Gene Wilder film. Michell Klayberg, which opens with just like thirty minutes of Gene Wilder. seducing Jill Klayg in a way that I did not find to be credible P watch it? I did Or watch it I On a train. Yes on a train. Yeah. I Big it. H I saw it in the movie theater telling you when Richard Priyor appears, he shows up about halfway through the movie The movie theater just became electric. He just electrified the crowd. That's why that movie was such a big hit. One of two movies in which he did that exact thing because he shows up about halfway through Carwash and the movie Carwash comes to life The other movie was the enforcer The other clinese would move you from that year, which is the third dirty Hirring. my favorite. I don't like it. Yeah N not very good. Te Daily T Daily. Yeah. Uh what else you got Bellini's Casanova. Never seen it, notot for all tastes Obviously Folini, there's amazing things The front I just watched watched this again yesterday. Martin Ritz movie with Woody Allen about Michael Eraight Black list, people nam and names Ver good movie, Zero Mostele, very good. I like it a lot. Yeah it's very good. It's You know, I think because of Ething with Woody in the last thirty years, maybe doesn't have the same place it does because its just it's effectively a pure drama But what are you? I gott to check out some Che check out the newsapers. Face to face.ingmar Bergmann from this year, which I watched for the first time yesterday. It's not Bergman's best Lve allan goddamn man. Very good. Just She's very good. I agree with you something Hollywood Boulevard, terrific drive in movie. I mean, it's no more than a drive in movie. It's an eighty five minute Ramp Very low budget, very Roger Corman. Alan Marcus, right? Yeah. edited by Joe Dante.. You mentioned Up already, but I think Up is really fun and really funny. My wife liked it a lot That makes you seem like not a pervert, but all right. Yeah Mr. Klein I think was made in ' seventy six, but wasn't available to us because it wasn't released until later, but it would have been my drama a choice for sure. been available Joseph Losi of glass U. Ter Hertogs movie. I watched last night for the first time. Do you know this movie? I do in which all the actors are under hypnosis I've all been hypnotized For how And to what end and It's about a seventeenth century Bavarian community and they are known for their rose colored glass. They have glass work, so they're known for their rose colored glass But the guy who has the secret formula to the rose colored glass has died The town has gone into shock so to very sort of eerie feeling of a townspeople in shock. They're all hypnotized before every take. Is this what asteroid City was Taking from rememember they all get hypnotized ask Yeah That could have been the inspiration. But you don't get to see them. You don't see them, you see them Yeah, you see' acting under hypnosis., which mainly means they talk kind of slow and they have some very odd gestural language Beautiful movie really. Next stop Greenwich Village. some people don't like this They're wrong. It's a really terrific comedy. h and it's a Paul Mazerski movie who I'm always championing on this show. You should watch Paul Mazerski movies and next up, Greenwich Village. Really good. Why don't you draft it why didn't you draft Well, because we combined comedy and horror and I had Care out there and I had to get Carrie Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah, I wanted cararry. you could have taken next stext seven percent solution. You ever seen that? I watched it for this. It was Entertertaining you know, in the way that I found myself reading and learning about a lot of like gripping mystery thrillers from this year. and then I watched all of them with my dumb twenty twenty six brain. and I was like, well, this is not that exciting. This is kind of taking a while, but it has fun. We just had the exact same conversation about it when we did the Duval Hall Fame. So that acc is not with respect to mister Duval It's not what you want, especially for the voiceover. And do you find opposite Oliver and Nicole Williams's not' tough. Do you find murder by death amusing I turned it off because I was first of all, ' Peter Sellar. was yeah, because Peter Sellars, it's not what you want. And then it was also really boring. And you know, I racializing from Peter Seller. can you do the voice? Please don't. Please don't. I saw that multiple times in the movie theater when I was eleven years old. That was the I think that was funny when I was eleven years old? Okay. Is there Panther this year Yeah, it w. It that's That would be my Peter Seller's preference and it was on my long list, but I I to cry with laughter watching those when I was. I was a kid. I thought they were so funny.. We went to the movie theater to see those. Yeah. My mom loved dumb comedy. That was her favorite kind of movie. And they would fight and destroy whatever room they were having to fight in I was just like, this is the dream in life More I've got quite a few. Okay. You want to keep going? Yeah Anbody elses got more? Rip it Alice, swweet, Alice and the House with laughing windows are two horror movies that I would love to love and are very important in the Gallo movement, but they're not movies that I do love. There are wonderful four k' available from Arow for both of those movies. I watched Alice Seet, Alice, G getting ready for this. Yeah, It didn't make my list. N not the best I really love Larry Cohen's God told Me to which is a you haven't seen this no. a paranoid thriller about a society that has become violent and turns against one another because of some sort of premonition that they are receiving. That's weird. Really cool movie offerings. You guys seen this horror movie? Yeah About a couple or a family that moves into a new home. haven't seen this? I think I keep going Wh directed it U I think it's is it Dan Curtis Yeah Right Wh made him whoo then became TV guy and made Night Stalker and showow Shadows, come help me out what's the other Dark shhadowark Shadows thank you Yes, Dark S shadows and he directed a bun of Tv movies over that time. This is one of his few theatrical feature films, but very, very good. And is it Oliver Reed, who is the old Betty D Betty Dis, Thankk you What else is on that list? Uh, you know, lipstick is a movie that I watched for the first time when I did the unboxing boy for nineteen seventy six, which helped me start to prepare for this episode U, which is stars Margot and Mariel Hemingway and Chris Sarandon and this genuinely upsetting film about a sexual assault and the aftermath of it. rendered very realistically in a way that you just don't see Lamont Johnson directed it. I would recommend it, but it's really hard to watch. Bonker's ending. The last five minutes It was like what is going? The movie goes crazy. Yeah. in a pretty entertaining way. It just like turns into an exploitation movie. Missouri Baks Arthur Penn Jack Nicholson, Marlin Brando You think would be better? Yeah, it's not better. It really has been one of the movies that has like followed me around for my whole life and I only watched it in the last couple of years and I was like This wasn't very good. Yeah, it'sorry. I think Nicholson he spoke about it that he was very intimidated by Brand on the set. He was really He was freaked out that he was working with Marlon Brrand. who's like, I've decided I have a new character. you know like and's like I think he's great In a movie Brando, Yeahah, it doesn't matter.m I always find him entertaining, watchable, hilarious and sort of more interesting than everything else going on. Even in guys and dols. Guys and dolls, that's the one I put on when Care needs some sleep. hates guys and dolls. One of the very last Hitchcock films, Family Pot. N not a very good film Son Seagls, the shootest Pretty, P prettytty good late period John Wayne movie L last John Wayne mooie. This is last It his last film. I' tell you one of my favorite kung f movies, Master of the Fly Gillotine. Have you guys seen that one I can't say I have I have it pretty sick movie. I mean, what you've just described there in the title. Se seemems compelling in the tradition of the one armed swordsman films, sir. If you have a flying guillotine, it would be good to be the master of it.. You don't wan to be the novicelyingan of the flying guillotine. Not ideal. gu good for of the flying gu. You know, a movie I haven't seen, but was Oscar nominated and popped up on a bunch of lists is Voyage of the Damned ave seen this film? Yeah, its of another era Okay. does I mean it of an earlier era than nineteen seventy six. Little old Stewart Rosenberg Yeah There' some there's some international films. I didn't know where to put Carlos Sorres, Cria Cuervos. Um, Len O Braka' and Shg. Um don't know I don't what do.n're the of theensusis se? The real of the Sensuses Now the one movie that I wanted to bring up to you guys, I don't know if any of you have seen it, I presume you have is Robin and Marion. Yeah I seen it whichich I thought was pretty good. It love me. I liked it. Yeah.'s It' kind of a late period reimagining of the Robinhood myth with Sean Connery and Audrey Hepper. This is the movie I man I was saying I wonder if you've seen it 'causeuse you might like it. I was just reading the ending of the Voyage of the Damned, which was really upsetting. And apparently they handle it all in footnotes. What the fuck? It really I'm not going to but excuse me. I I tell you, I bought it on Blue Rid. watch it Um Robin and Marion Richard Lester aftermath of the Three Musketeers movies, kind of in this he's in this moment where he's making these kind of historical dramedies is swash buckling movies But I thought Connery and Hepurn were phenomenally together love. Really lovely. And it's a nice movie kind of about like Robert Shaw too, right? Robert Shaw, Richard Harris, A great Richard Harris performanceces is King John U And somebody else. there's one other Ian Home So funny. as, um was King John's brother, or maybe was Richard His John Yeahes. Yeah. And Richard Harris is Richard the Lionhur. Yes, that's right Um, I don't know, I thought it was really good Yeah. Thought about drafting it, it feels a little lost of time. A little baggy in the middle but yeah, very sweet I've never seen this, but obviously I would like it. This is in my interest set. I think you would enjoy it. Yeah that's all I got Shall we recap? recap Well, Amanda, you selected first so you can read your. That's so excitited. I did. In drama, I have Mikey and Niicki, in comedy or horror, I have Cuzinene Cuisine, in thriller or action, I have all the Pident's men. In Blockbuster, a star is born, which Tracy Letz has never seen in any iteration. In Oscar, I have Marathon Man and in Wildcard, Dagero Teps. youve got marathon M man and all the presents, that's tough. In drama, I took Kings of the Road in Comedy or horror I took the town the Dread Sundown in thriller or action. I took the outlaw, Josie Wales In Bockbuster, I took The Omen in Oscar, I took taxi driver and in Wildcard. I took Logan's run In drama, I selected Network, in comedy or horror, I selected Buffalo Bill and the Indians or Sitting Blls History lesson in thriller or action. I took John Carpenter's assault on Precinct thirteen. In Blockbuster, I selected the Bad newews Bears. In Oscar, I chose the documentary Harlem County USA, and in Wildcard I chose Welcome to LA In drama, I took lifeguard. In comedy or horror, I took Cry action or thriller, I took the killing of a Chinese bookie Buster, I took Rocky In Oscar nominee, I took seven Beauties and in Wildcard, I took The man who fell to earth You know, when we read them all out and loud like that, it's more even than I thought. Everybody's got good stuff and everybody's got marginalia Weird here. your claim at the top fascinates me It's just Three of the Alzheimererss. Which cant ar, you know, cant ar It matters. It says something about how you organize taste Be the best That's what I ask. Shall we talk third chair? Is this the time? Speak now. Go ahead. Okay so I got on the plane to come air and record. is this the last one to air It is. So I came to record three ast for the big picture. And I want you to know that when I got on the plane, I had decided to concede. Concede third chair to concede third chair. So that would suppose that you it was yours to concede. can the f' a race that just running. just contined the fight Because I listened to the nine hundredth episode I had sent in a voicemail for the nine hundredth episode, which was not played Instead that happened? I don't know. Well, that's Jack's fault. It was not played, but instead's tossing Tracy let's voicemails out. Yeah, he's tossing out my voicemails and he's always putting me forward. How can it dre that Jack also went on vacation and wee you arrived? Did you notice that? Yeah. What do you think that means So in that episode, not only did you not play my my voicemail But you then took what ten minutes to sing heroic poems to Christ fry Yeah later in the episode, Amanda suggested that we should Teddy Roosevelt off of Mount Rushmore can replace him With Chris Ryan. No that we should replace I actually did in fact, do that. you decided we were going to replace TR with CR In general, my relationship hero San Juan Hill. The trust Rush for said about Rushmore is disinterest, right? When I was on it, wouldn't that make it more interesting? Sure. But think I think it would lower the interest. The conversation was about. What Teddy Roosevelt did to earn being on Mount Rushmore And neither of us were particularly clear on that. Absolutely untrue. Why did he go ahead? I said National parks a lot Span American war, right? Yeah. ye, also led the country through a time of extraordinary tummble. Amath war the trust buster. I mean, he was essential. stated on behalf of the individual in this country. One of the great individualone would like to replace him with Chris Ryan. So It's very clear to me that the fix is in M I'm Al Gore. She'ase W and you're the Supreme Court. So it was like, that wants be laugh duff. It sounds like Jackie Sanders is the hanging chad. So I was like you can't you can't fight Cityall. So I was ready to concede Yeah But I've decided to redouble my effort. Oh and I'm going tell you why constituents Who are they? They are the people of America, my friend. are the people in the streets. I'll talk about them right now. Are you ready? You you know what they're called The let's lads You think they're men. Frequently, yes. Yeah. U and they want to see more of what I'm cooking. And so my hat is still firmly in the ring. You guys can try and block me out if you want, but I am playing for ke. I can't believe I'm even entertaining this because of the work I do for this pod and for the other pods on the Ringer podcast network where I have a propective Saturday night spent podcasting about the fucking Sickers butt. Here's what I'll do with you. That doesn't happen. I' not interested in content. This is' no Ser zone. so that's not gonna to be taken in. Should we have a november sixth election for third chair And Tracy and I can make our cases. Now this is this is a man with great confidence in the aftermath of CRM who is willing to put it to a public vote. I didn't say I'm just saying we can use an electoral college system if you want. like we have each different states have different weights, you know. But if this is what you want, if you really want to drop Drop gloves and go fistic cuff. Well, here's the thing I'm not sure that there are only two contenders. I mean, there are other people Okay who whoo the hell are you even talking about? You know, there are great, many beloved guests in the history of this show You know, the physical Media High Council did not start with either of you, gentlemen. It started with Timothy Simon. Oh dear. Well, he is not available. And second of all Th's quite literally not available. He's a busy Is Chris Chris is already First chair on the watch. he is Chair one A on the rewatchables Uh, he is a basketball expert. He's he's not watching fifty six Robert Duval movies now because he's got to watch the godamn now it's it's about this must be said because you haven't heard this yet. Yeah. But I'll say what Tracy Letz did for the Robert Duval episode is among the most titanic acts of scholarship that have been applied to this d. What did you do? Did you watch like all his TV appearances or something? I watchatched a bunch of those. And I watched fifty six Robert Duvau movies If I only had to do five pods a year, I'm sure I could do the same thing. This is my boy.. He's making my boy for me What would be a better life? Would it be to be Tracy Letz?. H youel wers? Tony Awards Married to Kara is married to Karry Coon and I got to swan in here five times That would be pretty awesome fucking show up in a Katherine bigigv like, Yeah, that would be awesome Instead I'm out here watching fucking Jool and beat walk back to the lockom come back kind of the cour. seven thirty fifteen When are we gonna start? Yeah. Amanda, what are your thoughts? Yeah. You know, I don't think we have to decide today Okay You know, I think that it can But you think it should be decided at some point. Well, I don't know. you know, there is there's a will, they won't they element to this that keeps that keeps the podcast going over time. Yeah. And I think what we all learned from that is don't make the decision. Do do you think H Ross Perot is in this equation? Who is the outsider insurgent candidate Well, I always love talking to Alex Rosspererry. He brings a completely different energy than either of you ever could. Yeah. And he's, you know He's a bit of a villain in a way that I always find appealing. And he's been on the show many times over the years. And he also, to his credit, if I ask him for an active of scholarship, he will bring bring it. does when it comes to that sort of. He also makes a lot of memes. so he's been very crucial Yes, yes. Mostly of Sean. Yes. So he's been very But you're not on text with him, right? Pickly share these memes No. privately generates several memes featuring photos of me from the Void recordings And then takes literal quotes that I share on episodes. And now also that one south by southwest photo of you with your card you know, like you preparing for a presidential election. I did not approve the posting photo. No, I'm sure. I can't believe you sat for it, but that's. U Are there any good Kyer Gerber hands memes that I should check out? are you aware of this lore Yes, I saw the picture. Okay okay, welles picture' not on Instagram Howd you see it? As a person who's frequently don know I heard you guys talking about it so I looked for it As a person who's frequently surrounded by attractive people, when you're going photo op Do you just? Hand on the back, go for it Yeah, there's a photograph somewhere of A bunch of us at that screen of House of Dynamite. And it looks like is her name Willa Fitzgerald the strange darling?. It looks like we are a couple with everybody else around you know just like we can't yeah, put your arm around her. I put my arm. It was just like, Ohh, this feels unfriendly. I'll put my arm. you know And now the photo makes it look. How did she respond You know, she was not threatened warmly. I don't think. Interesting. Do you think I should have done that with Kyag? I don't know. I met Kager We're both in Saturday night and so I met her at screening of that. And as we met, you've never seen two people who had less to say to each other.'s interesting she's a woman of letters herself. And and apparently you guys h not that we didn't hit. It was totally pleasant. I'm just saying she she She didn't have anything to say to me. Interesting. I wouldn't say she had things to say to me, but she did say things to me. Yeah. That's right Like it it's Wednesday. Yeah. Hi Jon. The sun is out. H you're alive. Yeah, okay An, I mean, listen, I appreciate all of your efforts I've got You know, seventeen more years, eighteen more years of experience with Chris. Sure. But you've entered our lives like a like a Okay, L I shot. Let's face it, I forced you all to be my friends. I forced my way in here and forced you to be my friends. Absolutely ridiculous I feel maybe there's an like a turmoil. Well, I don't like, you know, I admire Tracy very much L but waiting for the? Like I gotta let the dogs off the leash She right, you know? L it's not gonna be pretty So I'm begging you. Yeah. Dt Don't make me go to the mattresses here. U regardless of how this works out H I love all of you. I love being on this. It's been a real pleasure. I've had a great week. This is been awesome. Thank you for excellently for coming. Thank you for participating. I don't think I've ever I don't think I' laughed harder than I did during physical media in a long time. Oh my go God, I've been laughing all week, just thinking about it. J really It was a very good time. Thank you to Lucas Kavanaugh and Sarah Redady for their production, support on this episode. Thanks to Jack Sanders. Thanks for nothing, Jack. Yeah, Jack was not here today, but he did do the selection and excitedly shared the results, which fucked me and Tracy over pretty badly in this draft Um This time What is happening? When is this? I think this episode is airing while we're in at the Cann Film Festival. God willing because also just like I said, seems like an opportunity for us to Cume Why donon't you guys even talk about Tracy and Chris at the movies? come on reat We get a n last look. What feeb will you be posting this show on? I'll figure it out. to remind us he is an editor at the ringer d. com. That's So I've heard. Thanks to everyone for participating in this draft. I hope you've heard of some of these movies, and we will be back, I think our next episode, we will be covering the Cannfilm Festival. We'll see you then