Something's Gotta Give and Coastal Grandma

n Feny. I'm, D. And this is the Big Picture A Conversation Show about Diane Keaton. Today on the show, we are building a Hall of Fame for Diane Keaton, one of the great actresses to emerge from the newew Hollywood who had a film career that lasted more than half a century and includes several of the greatest American films ever made. We will dive right into some movie news and her entire career Right after this This episode of the Big Picture is presented by Amazon Prime. One of the best things about streaming is that you never just pick a title, you pick a feeling. And Prime makes that easy. With great entertainment and fast shipping that brings the moment to life, Prime helps you experience the feeling you're craving Shows you can't wait for and deliveries you don't wait for, onene click away F from streaming to fast shipping Okay, Dobins. Since you're dressed like Diane Keaton, this is your episode. and so it's fitting that we discuss the minions before we talk about it. Dumping all the responsibility on me. It's fine I'm ready to offer a qualified defense. So of the box office performance of the eighth, twelfth, forty ninth installment of a franchise. I think it's the seventh that I'm spiritually but not financially or professionally connected to in any way. Minions and monsters opened over the july fourth weekend. How was your july fourth weekend It was great. And it was filled with things that were not going to the movies. Which is, I think an issue for many Americans. I went to several parties, thanks to everyone. I didn't host any. I went to many parks. I watched many soccer games I't I didn't attend the local cinapplex So nor did anyone else? Nor did I. And if I'm not going to the movies, that's a bad sign. I think there's a lot of variety of factors, but yeah, Mions of mononsters came in five day cumulative sixty one point four million dollars. That's the lowest in the franchise's history. Only thirty six point four million dollars over the three day period. We didn't review the movie. It was released last Wednesday. I guess maybe we'll have a somewhat larger discussion of it later in the month, I will say As a non minions person. Yeah. I found it very, very amusing that After years of being ignored by critics and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Science, Minions and the despicable Mranchise finally made a movie That is like a Wh's Waldough full of movie references for nerds like us. Yes. And they were roundly rejected by general audiences. There's something kind of delicious about that. it's sad. Again, I do think the timing was spectacularly bad. It was. And two weeks after Toy Story five as well. Sure. but the World Cup got really good this weekend. You know, L we were all sitting there in front of on Saturday and Sunday night Some of it, I agree is timing. and I guess even movie nerds did not want to abandon their fourth of July hllps Don't forget Tlor Sw sweing sure that was another cultural event that captu the imagination. crowing out the space and many of the people who have spent the last weeks and let me say To everyone who sent me a minions meme includluding the young woman performing in Minionese at one of the premiereers, including the interview with Pierre Cfin, We're talking about how Dua Lipa is a major part of Minions's influence and they even sing some Dua Lipa songs, I think. listen, I see you. I appreciate you I felt seen. But even those people stopped sending me minions memes and started sending me Taylor Swift Gasl updates, so You know, attentions were alsose. They didn't capture the cultural Zychas. Now I have a question for you about this. Yes We have been discussing over the last six, twelve months about how all of these historical franchises from the twenty first century are starting to fall away in the conscious. Yes. Now the minions there haven't been as many minions movies as Jurastic movies or as Marvel movies. Right. But this is the seventh one Like, is this also just a franchise getting long in the tooth? I think yes, though also you just put it up against dinosaurs and superheroes. So then tiny yellow TikTacks, they're like, hey. I'm not equating them in terms of stature. Sure. But well, that's good because they're quite small. But these these are megab billion dollar fran This is a megab billion dollar franchise. Absolutely We are at the end of one generation and the dawn of another, which I think coincides you pretty neatly with you and I are old and the next generation of people is rising and they don't care about the yellow TikToks. references to cinema or cameo by George Lucas Yeah, that's true. Well, that's but again, that was for us. That wasn't for them. What does George Lucas even mean to twenty year olds who were seven when the first Mions movie came out or maybe even younger than that. That's part of it too. sometometimes the kids who are born on this stuff, they grow out of these franchises. I don't know. could it's probably a lot of what you're describing though, which was that this was a very active and busy july fourth weekend for a lot of people Not a lot of people went into the movies. You know what hung there though Disclosure D dayay with a very small drop of twenty seven percent, which I thought was interest right on. I know that because I own Disclosure Day in my movie Fantasy League and picked up some extra points over the weekend by sticking around in the top five. You also enjoyred some like live comment section coming at you. We both did at one of the many barbecues hosted by our friends and that's fine. you know's a lot a lot of straay shots.ven Spielberg. We'd love to talk about People are less talented than Steven Spielberg But who do make movies? veryy interesting I like a lot. The greatved they were they were just people people love two podcasts. The Sad and Freud are running extremely here I'm just trying to finish this canda Rony. Yeah. let me just ask you one quick meta question because sure. I think Diane Keaton is one of the great metastars in a lot of ways. Her persona became her personality or her personality became her persona or whatever When you're at a social function, Yes, and you're Amanda Dobins of picture and myriad other podcasts. Right. But let's just say for these purposes, the big picture And someone's like, I've got a movie takes for you. A friend, someone you care for. Yeah. A you like, I will turn on podcast person? No no, no, I sit back and relax. And I'm honestly like a little bit annoyed. a non movie example of this is that When Taylor Swift got married this weekend and the press release went out, do you know Tree Payne sent out a press release detailing Sure. certain specifics on the wed. What is it that we all know who Taylor Swift's publicist is. Really really cool. Dopian nightmare. None of us have gotten threatening emails from her before. So anyway as it's happening, and I'm, logging onto the jam session dock and making my notes or whatever. And my beloved long suffering husband sitting next to me, offers an opinion about he thought that Friday was a weird day to get married. This was pretty rude. I was like, I don't working right now, I'm prepping and I don't need your opinion. So for my loved ones, I'm pretty rude. Okay For everyone else, but that's really just Z. I don't think I would do that to anyone else. And then I did apologize. Although I said I think Friday a wedding on Friday is the least weird part of this wedding. I can't disagree with that. I gotta say Sometimes I really feel for Zach That's just not nice. I apologize. Okay. I when I'm wrong, say that I'm wrong. And I said, I'm really sorry. Well you were right. Yeah. You can be right about that opinion, but it's how you deliver your rightness, right? That's the challenge. I was focused. you know, like he came into my space. It was like the one time that he asked me to read a piece to like pick which lead he wanted. And my hands went towards the keyboard and there was just like an sound and I was never allowed to edit anything again because I went into his space. That's not allowed. Okay. So we gott to know the real fair For someone I'm not married to personersally or professionally I just let them talk. This happened recently where a bunch of people were talking about the drama. at a party and they weren't like they were new acquaintances. So I just sat back Yeah and let it go. Nothing to be g Yeah, yeah, yeah and just let them talk. I was like, oh, really interesting. The worst version for me and I say this with affection is Everyone knows what I already think because they listen to an episode. Yeah. and then they just they want to rebuttal. Yeah. even if they agree, they just want to rebut all the points, which you know what? it's an occupational hazard of this wonderful professional works. All right, let let's pivot away from from this frivolous ch chat and let's get down to the real real work because this has been real work what we've been doing to honor the greatreat Dian Keat. I don't think that we understood what we were taking on when we put this on the calendar. No. So Keaton passed away last fall and we've taken some time to do this. and I think we both knew we wanted to do it, but ye I also knew that I had quite a few holes in terms of covering Dye Keaton's career because It's not just that it's been so long and as we've talked about, folks like Robert Duval and Robert Redf who have passed in the last year or so Um I think I knew I had some some blind spots with those actors Um But I know with Diane Keaton that she has really not been The films that she's been making have not been a primary focus of mine for the last fifteen years. Yeah. And I actually didn't realize quite how many of them there were. and yet that despite having moved to like kind of red box era where she's making a lot of films that are, if not direct to streaming or VOD feel like they are I don't think she ever really lost status. L she never really got diminished in terms of her iconography and how celebrated she was. And so like it seems like a pretty Interesting like threading of the needle there where it's like people like me are like, I don't know what palms is. I guess that's a movie, but I still Palms. N. Palms. Yeah. Not palms. These are palms. Palms or like palm palms. you know, I know she means a lot to you, but how have you thought about her this century, I guess? I mean, you mentioned that she so quickly became Diane Keaton as a person and as a larger than life figure And that is through all the work in the seventies and the eighties, but really Annie Hall, right? And I mean, we can all see how I'm dressed. But so there was something visual about the way that you thought of Diane Keaton that she continued even through all the Red boox era and what, you know, she added on hats at some point and like the big glasses, but There was something that was still always aesthetically Diane Keaton, even if she was in a movie that you've never heard of with Richard Geere. and William H. Macy and Susan Sed. Did you watch that one? Weddings and other disasters? Is that what thought's called? I don't remember Or maybe it's maybe I do And love and other disasters is the Jeremy Ironons one. Okay, ye. But listen, this is the thing. and I volunteered to be Captain Redbox. Yeah And I think I saw it all. Okay. Well so we're gonna plenty of time to talk about all this. So you're watching all of this. and it is virtually like those movies didn't happen in terms of cinema history She's still making her diet, you know, she has her mannerisms. She's very recognizable as a physical performer. and The she played into the Dian Keeenan of all. of it all. There was like an aura maintenance that she did until the end of her life helped. Do you think that you will eventually evolve toward hats and oversized glasses? I thought about getting a hat last week and I was I was gonna go for the Something's Gotta give bucket hat. I do feel on like the spectrum of hats cket hats. are more where I'm bucket hat and baseball cap as opposed to, you know, bowler hat. Okay. Um, but Bolarheat would be a bold joice Or I mean, could you just have walked in one day wearing a war hat with a cane? I have to be honest, I do I'm not, you know, I'm not a milliner So I think that's what it's called here. It's not. But so I don't know the terminology for the various it wasn't a Fedora that she gravitated towards Um, I did some of the seventies and eighties stuff that I revisited I was just like writing notes, like full on style, just absolutely dynamite. One of the most influential Yeah fashion figures in film history without question. but also very difficult to replicate. I say that with no disrespect to what you're attempting today. But she had a singularity that was ' an homage. No one can be Diane Keaton. manyany have tried and failed spectacularly. Yeah, it's interesting too, because you know in the early stages of her career, she's obviously not dressing like Diane Keaton. So we'll talk about these the first few films that she made. And she's just a strikingly beautiful woman. just she's a beautiful actress. Unreal I think because of the influence that she made on the people who were making movies for her in the late seventies started to build movies around her essence, which is, you know something you might hear about like Greta Garbo, but you don't hear as much now about modern movie stars where the sort of like not just how they dress off screen, but kind of what their personalities were, or kind of that very particular Jen E see quix that she had that where people were like,, how do I get who you really are into the movie Right, right. It's also a little bit because of the types of movies that she was making, but also time period in which she was making them, which you know, she starts in nineteen seventy in films anyway. And going through The womomen's liib movement, if you want to call it that? Sure. I will call it that.ust like we're not there yet. Yeah. I just not. They were liberated and now we're equal. You're free And it's fifty fifty. Right now on camera, do you know whether we have an equal rights ammendment U we don't have one. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. You learned that since the last time I popized to you But so she is often playing, But I'm working on a new one. Oh good. Thankk you. Okay It's called seventy five twenty five. You get twenty five percent. Okay, good And so she's often to be playing contemporary roles. I was thinking about her in terms of in comparison to Meryl Streep who is like Ka similar, a little bit younger, but an age rangeian coming up in a similar time period in a similar part of you, Hollywood history And Merril does a lot of period pieces. And Diane Keaton is sort of is reflecting more often than not what a what a woman or, you know, at least like the most beautiful afflent educated woman you've ever seen in your life. It was doing in the U S or in New York City in nineteen seventy five, nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty seven, et cetera. So you see people, the movies start being modeled. around her but her also navigating the world that she is surrounded by in interesting, if not always accurate wayays. Well, it's a great comparison between the two of them, obbviously, not just because we just watched all of our ownace films for an episode earlier this year, but because Streep is best known for transformation's accent work Um and for frequently playing real people As far as I could tell across the fifty plus movies that Diane Keaton made, she only played a real person one time in her entire career Just Louise Bryan and Reds. I think I think that's right. Maybe there's one or two that I'm forgetting but I don't think so And you could say on the one hand, well Diane Keaten was not as much of a transformational transformationist actress, right On the other hand It seems like maybe filmmakers saw her as what you're describing, which is like a very contemporary a modern woman And then there was something kind of not very u Iron Lady about Diane Keaten. And so why would you cast her in a movie like that? Itesn't seem like she was drawn to those parts either if you read interviews with her. And so even though those two actresses kind of more or less kind of You know Dan Katen starts before Merrill Street, but they kind of are simil a similar stature through through the through the early nineties, I would say, and then things start to shift where Merril becomes kind of the goddess of dramatic film.. And Diane Keaton is still very active and working, but maybe doesn't hold the same I don't know, sort of like gravitas among critics and the accademy I like that. I lik that going through Especially that stretch like all the way through ninety five or ninety six where it was like This isn't just some like bio pic of a person that you could just read the Wikipedia of. L sometimes the movies weren't good but I was watching the goodood mother and I was like, Oh, what's happening here It a weird movie. That's interesting that you chose to do this. And so you think that her career is like only these tootemic major American movies and a lot of them are for the first fifteen years, But then she's kind of in the wilderness of creativity where she's just relying upon writers and filmmakers to generate something for her that she can fit into So she's a very present figure in my life as a movie watcher. My wife's favorite director is Woody Allen. Yeah. or Woody Allen and Hitchcock, really. But she she always has she had Woody Allen movies on I remember for the first twenty years of our relationship and So I've seen a lot of these movies over and over again, just like in proximity to Eileen cooking din And You know, she's a major icon for Eileen too. And so she's a little bit like wallpaper to me As a person, I mean that with no disrespect. But like she was just kind of always around in our life and It was interesting to kind of try to pull myself out of that wallpaper feeling. And I know she's a huge actress for you. and you know, we talked about something's got to give last year with twenty five or twenty five So I kind of like reset my brain on who she is, You know what I'm saying? In a similar way. too the extent that, you know, because she is Woody Allen's foil in so many of their movies together. and she's kind of like the stand in for Woody Allen. And then She moves on but keeps doing romantic comedies or, you know comedies is about people and relationships and talking and character work, not stunts and then she leads into the next generation or two of romantic comedies or at least know movies starring women talking about feelings So that is the lens and that's how I know her as well. Even though again, I was really startled to see her filmography post twenty fifteen. So same where she's just kind of always existed. and I guess that's another way in which Merril kind of looms large because they're from the same generation and Meryl is, you know has always been like the woman from the Iron Lady or some version of it. And Diane Keaton has always been Like this slightly neurotic and daffy but always capable like aspirational woman in like in a in a comedy or just in a normal movie, in a movie about people. Yeah. Yeahah, yeah. she frequently plays middle class or upper middle class people too. She doesn't play like She's not she's playing a hobo and an ironeed, opposite Jack Nicholon, You what I mean? she goes opposite Jack Nicholon, he's playing Jge Neal. Like so it's an interesting What kind of person of the she craft for herself. She's from Los Angeles. She was born in nineteen forty six She was raised in, I think Santa Anna mostly. Her mother was Mrs. Highland Park. something she talks about and frequently in interviews. She studied at Santa Anna and Orange Coast College and then she studied at neeighborhood Playhouse under Sandy Meisner and that hugely informed the kind of actress that she was. And she talks about this all the time being an actor of reactivity, of looking what the other person is giving you while performing and bouncing off of that. And so that's an interesting thing because a lot of actors who use the Meisner method and work that way Oftentimes they're only as good as their scene partners And so in some of her films you can feel her like not being as alive as you want her to be because she's like, maybe I'm not having a good time making this movie. sure. And then other times you're like, well, this is the most electrifying scene in movie history that I'm watching right here So it's an interesting thing. She did start on the stage. She was in the first production of hair In nineteen sixty eight, she was effectively in the chorus. She was like a vocal performer And she talked in many interviews about how she was like, I liked these songs. I didn't really know what was going on But then one year later, she gets cast in a Broadway production of Played Again Sam which was eventually adapted into a film, and she was cast opposite Woody Allen. And that's where they met and started working together and created this very long partnership U And he is the most significant Creative collaborator. Yeah. They've made eight movies together over the years. Who's number two Number two is Nancy Myers, of course. she wrote three films for her and directed one. W would' have liked to heard to direct one more would I could have gone looking going through the filmography I was like, I could have gone for one more Nancy and Diane movie. Yeah, you know. Well, But then again, instead of the Nancy, instead of Diane, she just used Merril. Yeah, which complicated. I like it too. Meryl's obviously not the problem in that film. Yeah. Okay. There are problems And then of course, she made three movies with Francis Ford Coppola. Yeah, three godfather films. And I don't think she recurred with any other directors. Is that possible Maybe the book cllub director that was this the same fellow direct both book club movies? I am Googlingook book Club two right now, which I saw in theaters, so I come by this honestly M Yes. Yes. Congratulations to Bill Holdermman. Bill directed book Club and book club. That's right U The next chapter. She of course. She Of course, yeah. She notably did not work with many of the hallowed New Hollywood figures, neverever made a movie with Sorsesee, never made a movie with Altman, never made a movie with Friedkin She almost made a movie with Spielberg that fell apart. though they have a very interesting connection that I'm not sure if you're aware of No Kubrick, no Polansky, no Milo Schman. She didn't work with any of those directors. And I wonder if it's because a lot of those people often made movies not set in the modern times. Yeah, and that she was a very modern woman and they didn't necessarily fit into the kinds of films that they were working on Okay, what defines her as a star? We talked about her persona and her style Yeah What else do you think makes a Diane Keaton performance. Well, so when she at the Oscars this year went in the end Memorium segment, it was, I believe Rachel McAdams, who introduced her and She was she was referenced over and over as a comedian, which I think she was first and foremost and probably the most celebrated and respected of of her generation in terms of people like who did comedy, but the way that she did comedy is what made her so special because She understood that Comedy is just another vessel to a, you know, another way to emotions. and so She is sort of playing things for laughs, but I wouldn't say that she knows that she's funny, but what she is doing is she is processing emotions through absurdity and comedy, which many people including myself do, as opposed to you know, through tears and wailing and beating your chest and and closing yourself off from the world. So I like She does plenty of drama and I think and is very good in a lot of it. But most of her comedy roles also have a lot of drama in them. And I think that they are what she is remembered for when we think of the, you know, the way that Diane Keaton acts is just like a pathos in being funny that Um That opens it up to everybody. Yeah, I think she has become a bit underrated as a dramatic actress because so much of her iconography is indebted to those comedy roles, and also because you pointed this out to me. this was a really good note. She's so similar to De Niro in that De Niro has made a lot of movies in the last twenty years where you're like, Robert De Niro made this movie. Including a movie with her, didid you watch that one? I Certainly did not. and But like we're willing to forgive those movies. We don't really think too hard about those movies. We're like, yeah, but He made the deer hunter, like it's okay. And for her, it's very similar where it's like, you know, she made Anie Hall or she made Manhattan or she made, you know, on down the list that we'll talk about Going back and either re watchatching or watching for the first time some of the more dramatic films that she made I think maybe because some of those movies in the eighties didn't really work. They weren't financially successful, and she was also kind of pivoting her career a little bit where she starts directing more Eventually she has she has a family. like she starts making some of those choices And you can see her kind of not getting the respect. Also she's a woman who's just getting older in Hollywood, right? So maybe doesn't as many opportunities or maybe she's being she's going up against the Meryl Streeps and the Jessica Langs and the Cissy SpaceX and all of her contemporaries who were maybe considered like more heavyweight dramatic actresses. But I loved a lot of the stuff she does in the late seventies and early eighties. I think she's really, really good in that in some of that more stely material too Yeah, but she's The the big exception for me is Reds, which she's just like electric in and perfectly balanced against Warren Baty and then against Jack Nicholson. and it's kind of the fulcrum between the two. And there are no laughs in that. Like that is just straight up. That is we we're saving the world and saving each other in an earnest, dare I say boomer sort of way. love Reds. Were you laughing a lot during looking for Mr. Goodbar? No, but that at the end, you're like what the hell is happening here? Yeah no spoilers. You know, So there but there is something surp there is something surprising and Um, naturalistic about that performance that you know, in reds, she's like wearing a corset, you know? And she's very good at it. God bless. You ever worn a corset What do you think I don't know, I thought maybe for your back, like You know, I've w worn a brace. Yeah. count. You're pretty close. I've never been you know, stitched in in Yeah.. that's not something. I also don't have many people helping dress me every day. Do you have that I don't. I actually I don't really like it when people like I don't like having my hair played with. I don't really like being fussed with in any way. but I did we share that. After a C section, they recommend that you wear a brace to like support No kidding. Well, yeah, ' things were like a little loosey goosey. and I did sometimes have Zach or like a doua like So I've had that experience. M must be nice. Yeah. No, it really hurt because I just had surgery. It's fine. Great. Speaking of Lucy Goosey, one thing I also noticed in reading some interviews with her is that she was very Sheid didn' think she was a very good improviser and didn't like to improvise, but she did like to be what she called loose with the script, whichich means one of the great things about her as a performer is she has a very particular series of vocal affectations where she gets kind of like startled in the middle of a sentence or stammers, or you mentioned crying, she could just like hit the tear note and then pivot back to seriousness very quickly And she had a real dexterity with her own emotions and her own like Even like patternistic phrasing within a script And she talks about this a lot in a lot of interviews about working with Nancy Myers, who's a very, very rigorous writer, who's very Pston Sturgis, where it's like it's every word matters and And she talked about the push pull of trying to do her thing. ins inside of someone's more tightly woven corset of language. which, you know, it's the it's the Fincher sorken, the people coming, you know, The skills coming against each other is what makes it better. Which is great. I think she also does that in terms of just behaviors on my rewatches And even a couple movies I saw for the first time, there are things that she does on screen. The the most famous one that I only noticed because Nancy Myers like Instagram about it once was in Baby Boom when she She picks up the baby at the airport and then gets out of the car. And she holds the baby under her arm like a sack of potatoes. and Nancy Meyers said that was not in the script. That was not something that like Diane Keaton just instinctively knew that that would both be really funny and communicate something about the character But there were other ones the safest thing I've ever. I mean that's the point. She just inherited a baby out of nowhere. so and, you know, she's a high flying mananagement consultant or something? Absolutely sure like we all were in the late eighties There's another scene in the what's the Mel Gibson movie Mrs. Sole. Mrs. Sofle when spoiler alert at some point she has reason to part with a ring and the way that she decides just to get the ring like there's It's not planned. you know, maybe it's written in the script that she gets rid of her ring, but you can imagine anyone else doing it like this very like symbolic, you know, like now is the moment has come when I'm And she just like tosses it off to the side in a perfect, perfect Diane Keaten way. So she like as you said, and some of it's the Miser method, but the She is in the moment and doing her thing. Yeah. I think Charisma is an overused word for movie stars, but she also has a thing where, you know, she fell in love with many of her co stars. She really like a lot of filmmakers became and sourcehful by her. She has like, she just has something. We use a lot for men, but not that often for women, which I think I think it's completely accurate here. But she did kind of have that thing a in an era of movies. You know notot that movies have caught up, but where Everyone else on this league in this league in this era was a man, except for Meryl Streep. Yeah. And she just she had something that brought them all in and made everyone want to look at her One thing that I noticed going through some of the films too is that all the way throughout her career. She's frequently playing the wife or the girlfriend. you know, in some of the best movies of all time, she's stuck with those roles in some bad movies, she stuck with those roles. But it does feel like Woody Allen in particular was inspired to just write better parts for her because he's kind of casting her like in love and deeath, she's just like the girlfriend. You know, she doesn she's very funny in that movie. but she doesn't have like a deep reservoir of complexity. She's just the hot girl that he really wants to be married to And You can feel him like almost challenging himself because he's inspired by her because she is such a unique person, a singular personality that I think because he writes parts that improve her screen persona, she then gets to do more challenging things over time too. Like she gets to kind of transform into the woman who can dress like that. Yeah confidently on screen and That's also unique. And we can talk about the complicated legacy of these Woody Allen movies too. I think we probably have to because she she's someone who like stood by him through everything. She always till her last days was like He was a very special person to me. He gave me extary. I was in love with him. He gave me extraordinary chances. R. And obviously talking about Woody Now now is much more complicated than it was some years ago Um Okay The other thing I wanted to point out about her before we go through the list is that she was a film director. Yeah. She directed many movies. She directed music videos. She directed some stuff I did not realize she directed Um, And that's also unlike the female stars of her era. I was looking at like the real kind of like solid mov female movie stars of the nineteen seventies street Fe Donaway, Jane Fonda, Goldie Hawnn, Ellen Burston, Allie McGraw, Raquele Welch, Pam Greer, Susan Sarandon, Vanessa Redgrave, Glenda Jackson, Jessica Lang, Sissy Spaceck. none of these people directed movies. And maybe they wanted to, and they weren't given the opportunity. that's certainly possible. But Diane Keaton And she directed a documentary about the afterlife called Heaven, which is fascinating She directed two Belinda Carllyisle videos. She directed an episode of Twin Peaks. Ecuse me, just you yada yadted, heaven is a place on Ear. wonderfulong in video. and they notothing against it She directed a very strange episode of Twin Peaks in seeason two, which when things are kind of going off the rails you when you watch When you watch Heaven, that documentary, which the DP of that movie is Frederick Elms, who was David Lynch's DP in the nineteen eighties on a lot of stuff And that's a very David Lynch documentary. And then she made this TV movie called Wildflower is first known performance as far as I can tell of Rehese Witherspoon on screen. Yep It's also shot by a Polish cinematraher named Yanish Kaminski. heard of him? in nineteen ninety two when Steven Spielberg was getting ready to make Schindler's list He was looking to work with a new cinematographer, someone who understood that part of the world And he called Diane Keaton and said Who did you work with on Wildflower, which I saw on the lifetime network and really liked And she said, Janish Kaminsky gave him his phone number and Spielberg has made movies with Kaminski ever since inccredible. That's an identy data point It's just a fascinating thing. So like as a filmmaker, she has great influence on cinema history. She So do are you aware of her late in life like interior design Pinterest a little bit which is yeah, and you know, like I have the interior design book But she's clearly a very visual person, right? L And it's clearly very exacting in terms of how she sees the world, whats speaks to her, how you put things together. And, you know, film is a visual medium. So it makes sense to me that in that way that she's always been drawn to to arranging things just so And then the other thing is that she had kids much later in her life, which I would just you mentioned everybody else. I think that it is probably easier to direct films if you're not hundred percent in charge having small children. And it's after Baby boom, when she's sort of like she realizes in the early nineties that she wants have a family. She doesnt She doesn't really think she wanted to have a family before that. Yeah I think so. but I think she adopted like in her fifties. I believe You know, that's that's how it goes. She's a real one about that too. She's like, it's the hardest thing the world, raising children. If you read an interview, she's very frank about that. But and you know, after that film Wildflower, which was a TV movie, she did go on to direct Um two more feature films that were released on Strong Heroes and Hanging up. Um So yeah, I mean, four Academy Award nominations. she of course, won Best actress for Annie Hall. U I could find a couple of places where she should have gotten more. Yeah, Rt were are weer Many many Golden Globe nominations. You you know what I didn't see was Amelia Earht the final flight where she played Amelia Earht, didid you watch that? I didn't because that wasn't in the That's the TV movie. Yeah. There's also there was another TV movie late in her career that was only released in the UK. So so I didn't make it What was it called Arthur's whiskey? Oh, yeah, is it is streaming. It is streaming. Oh, okay, well, I'm sorry I didn't get there. But otherwise I think I got to most of the Almost all it. I counted fifty seven feature films and she had two, four, six, seven TV films.. The TV films someome of the things that she made are not available. That's the other thing. like I'm looking at Sister Mary explains it all, for example I couldouldn't find that one A couple things are just not streaming and when I make a big show about physical media and whatnot This is a little bit of what I'm talking about, you know Great actorss work, not available in the world. Anything you want to say before we start going through the filmography now I'm excited. I'm nervous. How much L what are your preconceived notions right now? What do you think it's going to be in it? I didn't do this. I didn't I didn't pre haul. I try to not prehaul. I I don't either I don't know what your relationship is to the Woody movies. We've you know like there's Ann Hall is a forever movie, automatic whatever. So that goes in no matter what. But the other ones, you can make the case that these are the most important movies of her career. You can make the case that they're not aging wellure, yeah. But you can't also well you can't put eight movies No by one director in a h. I think it's a question of how many do you want to put it in, right? Like is it two? Is it four? is it I don't know We're gonna to find out So let's begin. Okay. After appearing and played against Sam, she gets cast in her first movie. It's called Love and O Strangers. Loververs and other Strangers. Ecuse me,overs and Other Strangers. It's Romantic dramedy about a young couple and all of the crazy people in their family around them Probably best known for launching Richard Castellano Who she would soon co star with again in the Godfather two years later.. He was Academy Award nominated for this movie. She's got a solidly sized part. She's the sister of the lady Bonnie Belia. Yeah. So first of all, Bonnie Belia, you waited too long to say that. So hot. listen In nineteen seventy, she was so listen and continued to be. Yeah. Diane Keaton at that wedding, I found myself freeze framing it being like, I would like to look at this eyeshadow and how can I It's just so beautiful. She looks very cool I mean, she's just not the major art of this. You can see that she already is pretty comfortable on screen. She has this kind of semiaffy, semi confident persona pretty much lockdown from the first movie, which is really interesting. The movie itself is pretty forgetable I think. So she's again, this is a movie about two people. It's centered around wedding. So two people who are about to get married and then comparing and contrasting all the different relationships surrounding them. And so she is the married but wants a divorce because her husband didn't remember her birthday. You know, like dissatisfied. It's nineteen seventy. you know, the womomen' live. Exactly. Yeah So second wave, here we go That's going to be a red I would say. I agree. And that takes takes us right to the Godfather. Okay nineteen seventy six. Sure. So Godfather, Godfather part two and Godfather part three. You want to talk about all them right now? Well, I thought we could none of them go I thought that we could enact the Robert DuVal rule, which is that I believe one and two. And then Tracy also tried to put three in because he made the wise decision to not be in three Yes, which is entertaining. Dan Keaton did not make that choice. She didn't that choice. She appeared in the film I no person, as I understood it Well, she had weak spots, you know, I think she was very and she talked about working with Coppola and the difference between working with Coppola and other filmmakers. and what she was able to get away with other filmmakers is that Coppola was an extremely formal filmmaker. And Y sets were very formal and controlled and The Godfather movies and Heart are so interesting to talk about. longong running bitory watchables about how Bill thinks It's like it's changed over time. So for a while, I remember that because I'm kind of team Bill on this It's terrible t. No no. So he thinks that Kate doesn't make sense as a character I think And I'm supporting this by my friend Meg Spillaine and the entire Spplaine family. Um Katon is miscast as this. Now, I'm not saying we can't put it in the Hall of Fame. I just I find this to be terrible. I find what Bill said to be terrible. I said think find what you used to be. She is She is the perspectival character. She is the outsider brought into this world.stand that The waspie person introduced into the Sicilian way of living in this crime family. And she is her fluster and frustration and her being you know, set aside at critical moments in the story is so key to unlock if she's not in the movie, if a character like that is not in the movie, played by someone like her So the character is essential The I just do not believe that Diane Keaton for all of her fluster and daffiness and, you know, I don't know what's going on Is that that clueless or that weak of a person And and and Keaton doesn't play it as someone who's being weak on purpose. Like Keon does not play it as a I'm pretending not to see what I know is happening. So and the movie has organized her around Michael closing the door and her being like, Ohh my go God, can I believe this? Well, yeah, can't becausecause you're Dian K. You know what's up. And so that's That's you bringing it to the movie expost facto. This is her second film She did not have a confirmed screen presence at this time. So you have to consider the contemporaneous release of the movie and what we think about her when we watch the movie. And when we're watching this movie, in all likelihood, unless you saw her on Broadway or and Hare You were like, You you just think she's what she want a girl? Yeah. To me, that makes sense in retrospect and we can have retrospectiveinions all the time. I do abortion That's too lou, but the scene when she can't see them in the kitchen and Godfather two, she's lights out amazing. and that's why Godfather two is so good. So so if you wanted to make the case to me that the Godfather should not go in but the Godfather should go in Okay To me that it was an abortion michael scene is amazing. Now it's amazing because it is like It's surfacing finally the thing that you're thinking while you're watching Godfather One. Yeah. In Godfather One, you're like, this girl can't be this stupid. She has to get out of here immediately It's not this I w to be clear. loveove and respect Bill Simmons Number sixteen limitless, number one Devil worars Prada. onn this matter It is not the character. It is not the script. It is not Diane Keaten, the person who I love and admire. It is that I think Diane Keaten does not fit the role Okay, we're gonna yellow the Godfather, which is the funniest thing you could ever do in a ha of familyree and the Godfather too, then. But that's fine if you want to like build up the tension. Where do you stand on the plate against Sam? nineteen seventy two, sameame year. I had never seen it uil this last week.. This was the one where I was suddenly just like googling, you know, double breasted blazers. Here we are. I already had She's already digging into her. Oh yeah looks But it's also it's not Costumy yet. She is just dressed to the nines and looks awesome U I mean, I I choose love to film Casablanca and, you know, base my life on it. And we' it the sixties and I had the opportunity to write a play and then make a movie that's like making me into Casablanca. Sure. great way to spend my time. I don't know if he needs to go in Yeah, it's an interesting question. So it's the rare movie starring Woody Allen, not directed by Woody Allen. Herbert Ross directed the movie. It is based on Woody's play that he coost starred with Keaton with three years earlier It's a very nicely made movie. when Rysman shot it It has all of this like Interesting, framing because Humphrey Bogart R Not played by Humphrey Bogart. P is this kind of angel on the shoulder of the Woody Allen character and who's a film critic who is recently divorced and is being encouraged to start dating again by Hphrey Bogart. and also his wife's his friend's wife Um, If we put it in, it would be about like this is the union point of Allen and Aayton. It's a good movie. But I don't know if it's a great film. Right, but it's the play that brought them together. and. So were a kind of couple sepate. You can yellow it, but I don't think We'll yellow play it again.. Okay, nineteen seventy three sleeper. Yes Now One of my mom's favorite movies Um time I think considered a revelation, one of the early Woody Allen movies. a sci fi spoof satire in which he's cryogenically frozen and awoken many, many hundreds, thousands of years later only to discover an absurd society in which he is operating as a robot to survive Um Diane Keaton This is where I'm like, He's just writing apart for the girl that he thinks is pretty and fununny. Yeah and not writing for the great Titanic actress Diane Keaton This movie holds high esteem amongst people who were alive when it came out It was never one of my movies for Woody. I love many of Woody's movies. And I think that's beautiful for the people that were alive when it came out. So we're just in a red sleeper. Do you want to yellow it again? Listen, it was your mom's it's, you know, Yeah. I'm not gonna don't even be real She's not making this list. This is our list. This is our haall of fame. It's just that there are other woody movies that I would want to fight for. So I would just Red Sleeper. Okay. Godfather Part two Green I agree. Godfather Part two is great. It was an abortion Michael, Let me just tell you something. I read all about it Keaton and Pacino were madly in love with each other multiple times over their lives. They got together, they broke up, they got together, they broke up. Theyve both called each other the loves of their lives. That scene in particular, they completely ripped up the day that they were shooting it. I think she said they shot it for like eight hours that it took a lot of rehearsal to figure out how they wanted to do it. Most of it is pacino entering psycho silent mode where you know, that image of him with his eyes widening and the camera holds on him a lot while she's giving her performance and explaining what happened to their child U I think is great and I've always thought was great. But the thing is that the Godfather, you got to remember is a pot boiler. It's like melodramatic material. I do not have a problem with the scrimp. Okay And I you know, abortion is a weird word to yell just phonetically, you know? so I understand that, but Well womomen's lab is about being able to say that word out loud.. So get on board because I'm here to liberate right I don't think in ' seventy four it was. I think that was before You know, the It got turned on and then turned off again Who turned it off nineteen seventy five loveove and Death. It's not funny, but I like dking andight only I laughed my pain Um But do you think love and death is funny This is the Russian one? Yeah. Yeah I think it's funny I dont think needs go to the Hall of Fame but I think it's funny. That's interesting. Okay. Do you want to put it in? Well, this is sort of what I'm talking about with the Woody thing. So Woody is At the beginning of his career, he's kind of riffing on genres. Right, rightight? And He's like, o, I really like Casablanca and Bogger movies. I really like sci fi. I really like He and B B are doing the you know, the same thing at the same time different ways. Now Woody eventually evolves out of this approach. He starts doing other stuff. Yes. continues to be, you know, inspired by like Bergman and Falini, but everything gets a little bit more high minded and then he settles into his own style of just like people in apartments in New York. This is I guess this is kind of one of his last U Mhm. I guess like mad magazine style movies where he is at the center of one of several Russian novels slash Russian plays. What is your favorite Russian novel I mean, I've read crime and punishment if that's ass game. I haveven it, you know? I've read Bothers Karamatov. Okay. Both of those are in college and I haven't thought about this since Did you take a Russian's class? I've read some Goggle Oh, nice. Okay. I did not take a Russian Russian class, Russian lit class. I mean, it's very intimidating I agree. I've always found it sort of insurmountable except for Anna Carina, which I famously have read and thought was quite good. I haven't read Anna Carinna. I would like to one day. I don't know. I mean as a person who's like very trapped by my own ethical quandaries, I think they're interesting, It's a little late for me, I think to start. I know, I would like for it to happen for me, but I just I don't know. I don't know when that's going to happen. I think Woody was the right twenty five. I haven't watched season four of the Bear, so I'm just not going to get to the great Russian works. If that is really the thunderdome for you, you're in a lot of trouble with a lot of things. For season five, what season is it? season five now I believe. Yeah. I the last one. They yell at each other at the restaurant at the end, you know Theooks closed by Olivia Coleman. I saw it. Okay ra weanging on that. Love and death yellow or red. Yellow Okay, thank you for yellowing it. more return to it. nineteen seventy six, I will, I will for now. Okay, this is another one I had not seen. Nor had I. I didn't know this movie existed until we neither This is you gott to consider this is after three Woody Allen movies and two gofather films. She chooses to make this movie. Yeah, but did you see Elliot Gould in this movie? Well, yeah, I mean, I spect that's why she wanted to make it.. Ellot Goulds a big star at this point It's a marriage comedy about two people who are kind of going their separate ways and in an attempt to salvage their marriage, they attempt an experimental approach to be a little bit more loose in their arrangement, wouldould you just say sort of, but then there are also ground rules. Its fascinating to watch after the invite and it's very connected. There's a lot going on there. Absolute. And this is the time of Bob and Caroly and Ted Nallis and this kind of like evolving notions of p sixty eight free love and what is a modern relationship, But the tone of the movie and the filmmaking pretty bad, like a pretty dopey Yes. and it's not very sophisticated, but they both have a lot of star power Yeah, and they do have chemistry, even though her character in particular, it's so this is seventy six when it's released, but You know, they they go to sex therapy at some point. and there are a lot of jokes at the expense of Her prudishness and she's uncomfortable and it's not really quite as updated as some of her other characters will be Or' a perflective of the time. is a premature ejaculator? That is That was also an incredible moment for Zach to walk into to the room while I was watching it. He was just like, Hey, what's going on here? Yeah. And he was like, is that only a ghl? It' talking about premature ejaculation. Two things to recommend this movie, which is absolutely red. and there's no chance it's going in And I didn't even watch this to prepare for this seventy six movie draft because I was just like, what is this? No one likes this movie. One Paul Sorvino as the lawyer best friend who sings opera throughout the movie and it's very entertaining. I really enjoyed him. to Victoria Principle On fire. J very, very, very hot as like the woman who lives in the building, like the apartment next door. the movie itself, I think Vsery forgettable and there's a reason why we have not seen it before. nineteen seventy six, again, Harry and Walter go to New York, another film with Elliott Gould, as well as James Chn and Michael Canaine in this movie, heard of them. A period drama set I guess turn of the twentieth century. Yeah, about two rapsscallion criminals who help a famed thief Rb a bank, Rob one of the most u What's's what's it called when you can't break into something enet vulortable I guess, mayaybe that's not the word I'm thking of, but Michael Cane plays the thief. school and con playay the u low level criminal slash audvillian entertainers And Dian Keatin plays is a journalist. Yeah And this would be sts Directed by Mark Rideell, apparently had a really good script by W D Richter who went on to write a lot of great movies, directed a couple of cool movies too. But apparently that script was massacred Okay I think James Khon used to call this movie when he was still with us Harry and Walter take a dump. I shouldould tell you a little bit about its reputation. shhining example of women doing journalism in movies. Yeah, which is just a very storied very illustrious group of women Is setting an example for all of us? Do you think that's because men are comfortable empowering women in those roles, especially in films in the nineteen seventies, because they think women are always asking annoying questions right? What other job would they be doing if they had to have a job Uh, okay, Harry Walter. No, no out seventy seven anyhole. Green I forgot how long it takes to get to Annie Hall in Annie Hall. Right. I mean, he's talking about himself for a while, but you know, it it's a Woody Allen movie spepect. It's Al'bie this and I Al'b be that for about thirty five minutes. And then she shows up and You know, I wouldn't say that she's She's not She's not doing the Diane Keaton persona as much in this performance. If you know what I mean by that? Yeah, becausecause she's a little bit of like a magic pixie dream girl. and the movie is very comic but also played very straight. And like it's often about just them coming together with them coming apart. Right. So it's kind of an interesting artifact because it informs everything that she does after this, but I wouldn't say it's like everything she does.ere it starts And it so I mean, she has not she doesn't have anything to play against yet in terms of Annie Hall and I think for the rest of her life you know, she wins an Oscar for this performance. likeike she is Annie Hall, you know, we're all wearing the ties and the vests. and So she and we, the audience are watching her against this particular performance. But this yeah, this is a little more you know, again naturalistic when when they're sparring or when they're doing lobsters, they're they're just kind of doing It almost feels like a documentarary. It's like handheld camera and everything is, you know, he starts working with Gordon Willis and like his films take on this slightly more elevated artistic feeling and Her performance is terrific and it's totally like it's the birth of a major star I just found it interesting how it's not quite as It's not as dopey as the early stuff or as Daffy as the later stuff. You know what I mean by that? Yeah Well it's I mean, to the to our point about Woody Allen as her most important collaborator, which is absolutely true. and they're kind of finding their thing together in real time in this. And so I think he's creating a situation in which she is learning this whole new mode of performance and of comedy. And then again, you know, as time goes on, you start to iterate on it. Yeah, I agree. Any Hall, easy one going in. nineteen seventy seven, the same year she makes looking for Mr. Goodbar And this is based on a very famous novel at the time about a young single woman who is a teacher who teaches u Disabled kids, blind kids, deaf kids to learn how to read write and speak and She is Interested in exploring her sexuality. Let Let's just put it that way. Once again, women's live. Yeah. And I commend her pursuing these ideas on screen This is a really unusual movie. Yeah. and It has like its reputation has waxed and waned over the years It's very bracing Yeah because of the ending that you talked about. and if you haven't seen it, you know, And also I skip over this part. Yeah, and also I think because of Again, we all grew up with like a different Diane Keaton and a different understanding of both seexual freedom and also what's safe to do in New York City andight Um which again, I'm laughing because I'm, you know, because it's messed up to I think it's a cultural artifact this movie. and as much like sociologically as it is in terms of, you know, the cinematography or her performance, but it's fascinating and that it's Diane Keaton doing it Yeah really is essential in a way that I'm like this should definitely be yellow and maybe it should be green. I think it's one of her great performances. Yeah. The movie is kind of uneven It was not seen for a very long time because it has an extraordinary soundtrack and there were a lot of music rights issues, and it's a great snapshot of this combination of disco and Rock in New York because she's going to clubs all the time. Um The stuff that doesn't work for me is there's so much flashback material that's like, here's her trauma is it like this is a really unkinded way of framing it, but it's kind of like this is why this woman appears to be a whore. Like that's it's kind of like really silly the way that it tries to psychologize a woman just wanting to have different kinds of romantic and sexual experiences If you made a movie like that now you wouldn't include any of that stuff. You'd just be like, this is a woman who's trying to figure life out, and who she's really interested in being with and spending time with. Um And it takes some really gnarly turns, but hard performance in the movie is great And it is very different basically from like anythingything else that she does? Yeah. Can you think of another movie that is even like a character that's in a similar vein to this one? I mean, I'm scrolling through the Red Box era, but the answer is no, there were a couple late period ones where it's a little bluer than I expected, but not to this level. Yeah. There's she's Let's yellow it. Let's yellow it for now I think we'll come back for a green personally. even though if you do you want to listen. Make your calls, shoot your shot, you know? Well, we got a lot of stuff to get through. Okay seventy seven through eighty two, when she passed, I tweeted this. I was like, this is one of the great period this is one of the great runs for an actor in Hollywood history. the films that they have in a row. So seventy eight is Interiors, Newt, another Woody Allen film Woody's like real foray into Bergman esque drama, very straight laced movie about three sisters and their relationships and their dynamic, their relationships to their parents, to their significant others and each other Um Heeaton plays a poet. Yes Who is the sort of, I think she's the eldest and she's sort of like the one to whom the others are compaing. She's not the narrator, but she's the stand in close as you can be to the observer because She's obviously she's part of the family and is dealing with a lot of this stuff, but it's the other two sisters who are really the one other sister and the parents who are going through it. And so she's, you know, doing the reactivity thing, but she's like a little on the sidelines. Yeah. Yeahah. and it's a much more somewhat muted performance. The movie is weird. It's like sometimes it's very quiet and somet timimes it's very hysterical. I like this movie. It is often considered one of Woody's masterpieces. It's not one of my favorites though. I like it. But I sort of have a soft spot for the The Woody All movies that Woody's not in. so just more than happy to yellow it. No No, I don't think we're going to have room for it, but I'd like it. Okay. Um All right.s so red for interiors. nineteen seventy nine Manhatan Um I guess do you have to Do you have to? Well, let's talk about her in it. Yeah. Okay. So the movie is obviously about the Woody Allen character going through this crisis of who should he be dating? And he's very attracted to this young girl, which is part of the reasons why this movie is both famous and infamous. Vy celebrated at the time, a very big hit. onene of the most gorgeously filmed movies of the nineteen seventies, Keaton plays the wife of his very dear friend who's played by Michael Murphy, and they fall in love. and they begin an affair and He thinks that he has kind of found This illicit love in his friend's wife And there's a very wonderful scene. where she tells him that she's wants to go back to her husband um that I think is like among her best performances. and he's very funny in the scene and doing woody stuff and she's not breaking. L she doesn't, that's one of the great things about actress is she never tries to like get on his level comically. She's doing her own thing U She isn't She's not the reason to watch the movie. It's kind of a weird one for a Hall of. Yeah. you know, it's a very legendary film that has made complicated by contemporary history. R She is more central to the film than Meryl Streep, who was also in this movie but we didn't put it in Merylll's telephy, evenven though Meryl kind of away She only two scenes. Yeah, but they're great and she's a great counterweight. Everyone is like perfectly cast. in what it is You know I understand the problems with the film then and now. I mean, that's another interesting thing. I re watchatched another when we get to it, I'll remember alling pretty weird about sex even without all the other stuff that's going into so you're watching and you're like, hm is everything okay? But This is the real like flag is waving and you're like fuck But But that's the point of the movie. and when it's contained to a film, you know, it's what makes it interesting. we were just talking about a big movie that we just saw. and it's a little bit of a like when an artist tells you something, believe them thing, you know I mean, totally, I agree. I mean I guess she's She's not that central to it So I will say yellow. We're going to have a lot of yellows that we're going to have to come back to Any H in the Godfather Part two seem like obvious. And I think this next one is very obvious as well. Rs Reds, which is this Megafilm co written and directed and produced by Warren Beatady. his epic portrait of Read the journalists who It was there for, you, ten days that shook the world and the Bolshevik revolution and this changing hopeful potential for socialism or even communism around the world or in the United States. And it's this kindind of globbe trotting historical piece She plays Louise Bryant, a writer, journalist at that time and they have this Torrid, epic O again, off again. You're my forever person, but are you love affair. But also Jack Nicholson is over here playing Eugene O'Neill and absolutely reading apart everyone's life.'s one of the single greatest movie scenes If you were mine I would have. I mean, come on I know. and she, you know the It's really interesting because She's dating Warren Baby. Yeah You can almost feel the real person falling in love with Jack Nicholson in the scene. Yeah. Their performances are so good that they seem like not performances.. And This is a very different kind of part for her. It's a real performance. It's not. She's not relying on any of her stuff either. but it's different from looking for Mr. Goodbar Yeah. I mean, so much of it He instill shots of her reacting or just looking at the camera and feeling all the emotions and not spoken, which is not really what you associate with Diane Keaten or with the filmmakers she usually works with. you know very dialogue heavy gesturing and just been all over the place. But no she's really emoting and it's all you need in those scenes. also lit beautifully. So That's an amazing film. One of the craiest things about this movie is that it did not win Best Picture Yeah. And Baty won for B Director, but Cherry It's of Fire won Best picture this year. Yeah, which is They had to run on the beach. Fucking weird that that happened If you haven't seen Reds, I cannot recommend a movie more. It is a big antic hours house of a movie. Yeah. But it's fantastic. So red's is green. Yeah Had you seen shoot the Moon I had not. Okay. so Big one for us, I would say. Yeah, this was tough. Tough sit. Yeah. This is a movie, one of the harshest and most direct films about divorce Diane Keaten and Albert Finne who have three children, four children Many children, four children Four children Um And when we first meet the couple Finny is a novelist and journalist who is about to be celebrated with with a book award of some kind that is televised. Did you pick up on that? And his children are able to watch. I'm not sure if they're airing book awards on television these days or if they ever did. But the IHart podcast awwards. Yeah, we gott to get those on NBC. And the movie is about, you know, he's already having an affair and they're falling out of love and they're they're I think their characters in the movie are basically at the period of life that we're at. Yeah. which is the place where a lot of people end up getting divorced, which is when you have a lot of young kids And you're really stressed about your career and money and does my partner still care about me? And who am I in this world?? And the movie' super, duper frank about their feelings for each other, about what's pulling them away from each other Um, Alber Finy, you know, I don't know if we're doing the Albert Finne Hall Fame anytim soe, but he's ferocious in this movie She's tapping into something a little different. This is the first time where I felt like She wasn't a young Angenou in a movie Yeah, you know. Well, some of it is just, you know, situational. Yeah, youess with your four. Yeah. But she's still fair, you know, she's still, she's in her early thirties, I think when she makes this movie, right? She's pretty young She's made to be playing older in a way. Right. And she's also, I mean, she is a mother in the Godfather movies or chooses not to be in the case of Godfather two, that one time. Yeah. That was her choice E though it wasn't legal. That's right. Then or now. And depending on what state you're in because what a special place.ersey was in Jersey. I don't really know. I mean, was there were in Cuba for all gofathered too. U These are fictional characters. But for the most part, she's not playing people who are saddled with like a quote unquote traditional American domestic life, by which I mean like a mother, two children. Y. And you know, this is also, again, seventies, eighties, so that is more a more quote unquote, traditional portrayal in movies of what an American woman It does And yes, so it feels different This was tough For me, it was one of those it's not that it's bad or that she's bad. It was just uncomfortable. It's verybacing if you're a COJ. If you're a child ofivorce his movie was released a yearo I was born. I would say I didn't watch my dad do the things that he doesn' that Albert Finney does in this movie to his kids, but there's a couple scenes that are really traumatic and really confrontational I think the ending is kind of a mess Um, and it kind of brought the whole movie down for me a bit Um And I thought I had seen it but maybe I hadn'ten it. I'm still trying to sort through. Maybe I saw like part of it on cable when I was growing up and not the whole thing. It's Bo Goldman's first script and he was kind of basing it on something that's interesting to look at. It comes out five years after looking for Mr. Goodbar And it's kind of like a lot of these people that got together in the seventies and they werere like, ah, we actually we shouldn't be together Yeah. And we're creating hell on Eth because we did end up getting together and having kids. Right. And also everyone's gotten a lot less uptight about This The legal ramifications of this That'. That's right. And this was at a time when yeah, there's just a ton of divorce happening in the United States. Good film not going in. two globe nominations for Okay Kat and's goodin. You don't think it's going You think you got you got yellow it. Okay. You can yellow it. Okay I think it's a good performance. I mean I Peter Welleller U I spent the whole time trying to be like, what do I know Peter Weller from And then what do I know him from my mind'ble cop No, there was something else besides RobocCop. but that's I was taken aback by that as well nineteen eighty four The Little drrummer Girl. Yeah I hadn't seen this Well, now you have But you still haven't seen the TV series st starring Florence Pewgh directed by Park Channw. I haven't. Have you read the novel? I haven't. addted from a John LcCraye novel Uh Crazy movie So how much of that is just story seems real crazy and how much of it seems is based on the execution of the themes and characters Um I think them execution is like U It goes awry sureure does. I do think there's some real flaws in the design of the story Okay. The movie is about An actress, an American actress living in London. who is very has sympathy towards the the free Palestine movement in the dispute between Israel and Palestine She's very pro Palestine. She's going to Um you know, rallies and speaking engagements where she's hearing more about this and This is happening in a world where she's sort of being surveilled by I guess the IDF for lack of a better phrase, the Mossad, the Mossad, I think. And she gets drawn into their plan to disarm and capture a well known terrorist, freedom fighter, whatever, however you want to describe this character. by flipping her sympathies But because it's known that she is a sympathizer to the movement, that she would be able to infiltrate that world It's very confusing because she's sort of being like pressured into taking this role. Right Because why? Like that part of the story like never really lands. And it's an interesting performance for Dan King because she's playing an actress who has to keep giving these performances inside the movie. She's a very badty woman who's like lookingooking for love, and she sort of falls in love with this massade agent who draws her into the scheme But then she has to it's a really weird move. So two catastrophic things happened in nineteen eighty four. Number one, Diane Keaton got that perm, and number two, she was given the role of the littleittle drama girl, which if I thought she was miscasted in Godfather, I mean, that's nothing. That's an agreed I really thought you were gonna say number three, I was born Its important to who you talk to. terrible haircut She's definitely misc. She's just out of her. So, I mean, I Im I'm thrilled to have you trying to explain littleittle drrammer G. Did I get that right? Yeah, more or less. but it's a really strange story. Well, it's just, you know, Lay writes like Sycraft movies and this is about two competing spy agencies or, you know, a spy agency and then they the objects of their Um buying and they're using This young woman and her ideology like as a pwn and it's about how, you know, like Is anyone right? Is anyone you know, using any doing anything for quote unquote, good like but it's about also her impressionability and the impressionability of young people and about how ideology can be so easy, easily manipulated or can be malleable. And so you know, when you have a very young Florence Pugh playing that or when it's in a novel whichich also I mean, that's the other thing. It's very hard to. It's a very baroque novel that gets it's hard to be condensed into a film But I think Dianan Kim is just not u vulnerable or belieievable enough. I feel like she has the flightiness that you would need for someone who would kind of like the thing that I just don't understand and maybe maybe the park chann will addaptation will help me make it make more sense. I'm probably not gonna to read that novel at this point in my life, now having seen the movie and good.en the story. You should absolutely. Do you So you know who plays the agent who recruits her, the Israeli agent? Did Alexander Skarsgard? Yeaho Yeahah, many people are saying he seems like he's in Mossad. Daniel Craig was in Masssad. Exactly. Thank you for making my point We keep doing this Hollywood. Anyhow, I think I just couldn't Kaaskinsky' is in this movie. I thought he was very at least entertaining as the sort of chief Msad strategist who's. kindind of forcing her to do this work, but not holding her against her will but like not blackmailing her like There's just something about the mind game that never really clicks correct in the film. And if that doesn't work, then the movie doesn't work. that is the movie. There are times when I think her performance is interesting. I'm spending a lot of time on this because I've seen movie before. this is me unpacking it. but Eileen and I watch it together and we were just like, Yes. whyy? Well I'm sorry. once you see the perm, you're like. I know She makes a lot of bad choices. The movie though the story, Lacare's story does still have a tremendous amount of resonance though. which is the sort of like The sort of pointlessness of it all, you know, the sort of you get to this I feeling of like, No one can win and there's why are you spending all of this time, pain and life toll on this conflict because no one will move one inch. I recommend both the novel and the mini series. I mean, that's the other thing where that's, I think it's six hours because again, it's hard to consolidate something that's intricate into a movie and they didn't really succeed. U I'm sorry to make you spend so much time on a red. No, no, I mean, I'm excited to talk about it. The perm also applies to the second film in nineteen Mrs. Soffle. was she kept? Did you notice that? She still has that perm It didn't occur to me because I didn't watch them together but that makes that's a really good thing. And that's not a contemporary contemporary haircut as far as I can tell.' situation for sure. By the way, Little Dammerirl was directed by George Roy Hill You know, crazy miss. Just a crazy miss. nineteen eighty four, Miss. Softle, directed by Jillian Armstrong, the Australian filmmaker And This is a movie about a warden's wife who falls in love with a prisoner. Yeah. and Wh Who is the prisoner? Is Mel Gibson? in nineteen eighty four. Ver very handsome Mill Gibson. Once again, it's like a before we knew She loves a problematic male co star. And her and her brother, his brother, Matthew Modine. Yeah. And they hatch a scheme to escape. And they do escape. Yes Interesting movie not ultimately successful in my opinion. I think she also again, just like Little Druma Girl, this is a challenging part kind of sympathizing and believing and understanding this woman and again making herself a person who's very vulnerable to the wiles of a dangerous man And that's like two movies in the same year where she does that Yeah. and shhoot the Moon is a little bit of this too. Soot the Moon is a little bit of like, how did this man get me in this position where I have become a prisoner of my own life Right. Just theatically I find that because her career takes a different turn, you know? She pivots away from these kinds of parts and becomes more about her own independence. Right. But in this period of time, she's kind of weirdly reflective of The Reagan like Yeah and maker Nancy Reagan person like this is the vision of women and after the seventies. Yes, and also, I mean, again, the roles that are available to you that I think you're either I Thinking what Meryl Strep does at this time, where she's just like a bad mom or like a mom that failed in like forty different time periods and forty different itations. And Diane Keaton, meanwhile, is just a woman who, you know, got done dirty by all the men around her, but weren't they handsome? Hey, we're handsome. Y Gibson's very hot as the movie. You like, really get it. And again, there are moments in this movie where I think all of the um The warden stuff and kind of the establishing you know reasons for her wanting to leave Makes sense, but are stodgy and once again You're like, you're dying, Keaton. lookook at you. whyy would you do this even with this perm She's married to Edward Herman. Sure. He he's a bit more boring for her. Who is also in Reds with her?' a lot of people keep popping up Y you know, once she goes off with Mel Gibson and like I said, she like throws the ring away and there are these moments of connection and really just chemistry between her and Mel Gibson, where I was like, okay, see I see what you wanted to do here. It's not going in. I'm glad I watched it for the historical record, but it's read. nineteen eighty six Crimes of the Heart Now This is our first Sam Sepherd. But not our last. I didn't love this one. I didn't either. This was a now you're the southerner here. Yeah, well, listen, this is just, you know, this is er Steel Magnolius, right It is. I mean, it's very stagey. It's based on a play I have a little bit of Bruce Barisford. Um he's like a he's like a He's like Black Licorice for me a little bit. I love Tindnder Mercy is a movie he made, but like, you know, he made driveving as Daisy and Double Jeopardy and. a lot of stuff that I really don't like And this is, I thought very sacarin and very like overperformed Um, She plays one of three sisters. The other sisters are Jessica Lang and Cisszy Spacek, obbviously all great actresses Uh But it's just a lot of like Post Tennessee Williams. I mean, there was a whole raft of these in the Frig green tomatoes was. Yeah, there's isn't there an Altman one where they all get back together at a diner? Yeah the women. And it's just like a lot of southern women. comeome back for one weekend and often Sam Shepherd's there, which you can't complain about. Um And none of them leave the weekend truly fulfilled, but maybe they better understand each other. Yeah, I'd love to know what Tracy Letz thinks about this play because it was a Pulitzerrize winner, Beth Henley's play. It's just not a very filmic movie. You know, it doesn't really have a lot of style and I'm not sure Dyian Keaton Dreams Mississippi to Sm that out there? Yeah It's playing, Sissy Space actually sure. Yes. she's doing her best with. But she's also she's tasked with doing Mississippi and like Sad Acast sister. You know, she's the loser sister. Yeah U I mean I guess they're all losers in their own way, butving struggle. Yeah she is the one who just stays at home taking care of people. So I would make this red Yeah, of course. nineteen eighty seven shows a small cameo as a singer in radio days, a reunion with Woody Allen. That is not going in. That's read nineteen eighty seven Baby Boom. Yes. Did you rewatch this? I didn't. But we did it on the Nancy Myers episode, whichich I guess is almost five years ago, which is kind of crazy. That's insane But I like this movie. I think it also features well one, this is this is it, right? This is where the new Diane Keep. Yes. This is the she's with Nancy and Charl Shire, her Her ex husband and her producing and writing and directing partner for many years Um, This is So, you know, new, new team kind of establishes her and guess sets the template for all of the romantic comedies to come. And once again, Sam Shepherard is here U The story is that she is yuppy in New York And, you know, career focused and then inherits a baby like you do And She gets elbowed out of her job because they don't support working mothers. I'd like to thank everyone here in this room and at home for supporting working mothers That's do. Yeah, you guys were allies. Thank you. I saw Lucas throw the double thumbs up. You're godamn right. Good job, Lucas. Not one thumb but two. Yeah. And you want women's liibve two point zero U But James Peter, who is also working at her company, is not an ally. and so She moves to Vermont, buys a beautiful dilapidated house what re isason we don't know? With the baby. And would have avoided that if I were her Given what transpires and then has to create a new life which eventually involves hooking up with Sam Shepherd, the local pediatrician and because all pediatricians and or sports surgeons look like Sam Shepherd. How your learning? And then becomes an applesauce empire, like a starts an applesauce empire. Yeah. And so in the end, she can have it all because she has the baby She has career And she has a really handsome bor. And that kitchen's really good in Baby Boom also, just to to locate it for everyone I rew watchatched some parts of this last night just to kind of remind myself of its vibe. and you know I I don't know if you think is most famous scene but her meltdown in front of the well fr the man attempting to fix her well I think it's one of the funniest she's ever done. and's like it's so unbridled And it's you, she's very tight in a lot of movies. That's the thing about her, right? that Neurosius that you're talking about. And she kind of like let's go. And she starts melting down in front of this guy. And she's very funny despite melting down. and like you can very gestural, very like making a lot of noises, like stuff like that Um And the person that she reminded me of most was Albert Brooks. You know, that there's like A certain kind of comic person on screen who can get away with this who we like when they do this and And it's interesting. She works with Meg Ryan a little later in her career and like She's trying to get Meg Ryan to give a Dyian and Katon performance and she can't get her to do it, which is really interesting Um But she's great in this. I think this is obviously a greatre. Yeah. it has to be. Yeah. And a big hit and like kind of like set the template for the really the rest of her career. And you know, and again, it's like it is reflective. I find this fascinating to watch, you know, like My mom in ' eighty seven was also corporate America trying to be it is another time capsule and what it reflects is not realistic or ideal in either case. but It's amazing stuff. Really fascinating. If you haven't seen in a while, It's a really rich text Same year she directs that movie Heaven, which I think is worth checking out. I think you can see it for free on YouTube or canopy right now. I of course bought the Blue ray. Sure. It's eighty five minutes. It's just a reflective documentary in which she interviews regular people and asks them what they think happens when you die. and it's intercut this hyper fast moving series of images and sequences from early movie history. and she uses it as it's almost it feels like precursor to YouTube or TiTo or something, the way that it'sedited together. It's really interesting and not at all what you would expect from her. I just as an artact her life and interest, I think it's very much worth checking out, not going in the Hall of Fame. nineteen eighty The Good Mother, What the fuck Yikes.. Okay, let's talk about it really quick. It's not going in it's red, the good mother. Its startirected by Leonard Nemi who of course, was spot on Star Trek.. And he directed two Star Trek films in the nineteen eighties, and then he directed a movie called Three Men and a Baby, which was a big hit in nineteen eighty seven. And they were like, this guy knows how to make movies with little kids. Let's give him this movie. And this movie is about a woman who is divorced who has custody of her six year old daughter They have a very very close relationship And the mother played by Dan Kin is like a little socially awkward and she meets a man. played by Liam Nesasonon and they fall in love They fall in love and she discovers her sexuality. they have a very physical relationship. Th one day You guys know about this movie You know what happens in this room? No,. I have never heard of this. Okay. Okay. One day Lam Neeson's in the bathroom U And a little girl, Molly goes in the bathroom. Yeah And it's t It's not shown explicitly but made clear. He reveals to her private parts and that she maybe touches them. But doesn't she? isn't she curious? She's curious. Yeah, of course. he's not forcing her to do anything. Right. But she's sick. Sure. And I mean yeah, listen, the reason that this happens is because Katon and her daughter take a bath earlier in the movie and he's present for that. Yeah. and he thinks that Keene's character trying to live a slightly more evolved vision of like comfort with her own body. Right. But then this leads to the six year old sharing this information with her birth father, R who becomes outraged. Yeah. Th then it becomes just And then it's like Kramer versus Kramer. Yeah Um What a weird movie and play very straight the whole time The whole time it's a crisis drama. you know, It is like Yeah, no one could there's no levity. there's no, you know No evolved parenting whatsoever, Certainly no evolved legal systems. No. Is it Who are the who were the, uh who are the lawyers?, I'm trying toember who play the lawyers in the film. I think it's. Jason Robard and S shoot, who is Oh and Joe Morton are the two lawyers. crazy strange film Ralph Bellam' in this movie It's an artifact. Yeah of a different time, of a panicked time in our culture. This is not something I would do Yeah in any direction. I think. There's not a thing done in this film I would do ree across the board. but this is an interesting one now. I mean, I don't I think this would be unwise. and basically everything everyone's doing to do my kids just run into my room while I'm getting dressed. That happens, of course. sureure. But like at what age I'm gonna be like is, you know I don't be like come over here and touch this. I mean, that's not true. Come on. Yeah. I agree with you. Okay. I agree That's the Cocation. We can move on from the good mother. nineteen ninety the Lemons s I watched this on YouTube yesterday. Okay I rented it for Vidiots. Did you really? did. Good for you. Yeah supporting our local video store. I thought it sucked. It's really bad. Now it's a little hard to judge this one. but her clothes are so good And I want to dress just like her, even though she is playing once again, the saddest of three friends. Yes, not sisters in this case who lives in Atlantic City and is maintaining her dead father's quote unquote TV museum, which is just a bunch of stuff that was on a fifties or sixties TV show once upon a time. Yes These three women who are friends Caine and Katherine Grody are Musical trio Ellie Gould in this movie again. Yeah. But now they've cast him as dad, Elliot Gould. It happens so fast. I was like this was only ten years ago. Well that is happened to his star in a lot of ways, you know. One day you wake up and Rachel Greens father on television. I didn't think this was very good either. However, this is a somewhat early Mirramax movie that was shelved for like two years and effectively killed Joyce Chopra's directing career, who made smmooth Talk in nineteen eighty four, which is a very good movie adaptation of a Joyce Carrollte story And then like J Chopper like never made another feature film. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Yarby Weinstein did I was just gonna say It's red. Put two and two together. I think also notably features Dian Keaton singing and dancing, which we'll come back to Yes, not the first time we've seen her on screen doing this, but she does a bunch. Yeah, justust like Merril nineteen ninety, the Godfather Part three, I think it's red. I think it's red. I think she actually gives a good performance and definitely doesn't embarrass herself. Yeah What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? nineteen ninety one, Father of the Bide No Yeah. Okay. so we already have Baby Bom and she is, though she don't keep going. this is great S I think this is one of the great films of my lifetime. Is this really her movie though? It's not her movie. You know, Once again, it was july fourth this past weekend. so we all posted the George Banks, AKA Steve Martin hot Dog and hot doog one speech, which we just have not resolved. It's the six and eight, ye. I Well now for me, it's five and six. like five six ye For him, I think it's eight and twelve. Oh, okay. Okaykay. Listen. they're doing on purpose. They're doing all sorts of permutations. Of course they are. It's like the Apple, you need a new cord thing thirty five years before Apple or whatever. It's absolutely infuriating. incredible, incredible performance. And then that scene does lead to he's arrested by the grocery store cops And Um Dan Keaton as his wife, Nina, comes to bail him out of jail and they have like a nice moment. She is a good foil and she's a good mom, but the movie is called Father of the Bide. That' U She also looks so hot in it and retty young when she my a. She's myishh age, which is like that's she does tough when I realize that. The way she's being styled and I'm sure she has some say in this, but you know, the color of her hair, she lets her hair go a little gray. She's not she's not fighting to be a glamorous No she wears aomst. She wears a suit for the for the wedding. Burg Yeah Willfully being a mom.h. Aain kudos to her for that. Okay, so Father of the Bide is red. I'm stunned I'm stun. We can't yell it just like out of respect. but I thought you would makebe make the case for Father of the Bride Part two because that's' film. We're not there yet, but we do it. Okay. Well, yellow Father of the Bride out of respect. for all the fathers out there. Have you watched that movieince since Alice showed up on the scene Since I became a father of a daughter and maybe one day a bride. Yeah. No Yeah, fucking get ready. Bill made me me do that rewatchables when I was like seven months pregnant crying on a Zoom. It's the best. It was wonderful. It's just an absolutely beautiful movie, a masterpiece nineteen ninety three Manhattan Murder Mystery. Now this is a beloved movie. I was mean If we're going to make the case, how many boodies do we have right now? We just have many I think just anyn H, A lot of yellow I this because it's a different phase of of Diane Keaton, but it still also keeps the Keaton and Woody Allen thing and she's as much The star of it as he is. Absolutely Very funny What a great pants suit? I think it's green. Okay, great, me too. I mean, this is a kind of a daffy comedy about two people who think that there are terrible murders happening in their building living in New York City. It's kind of a little bit of a like What if these people stuck together and twenty years later they became the slightly annoying couple who live next door to you in New York. You know inspirational in that way. Yeah, very, very annoying sort of person if I didn't watch them in a movie, but very happy to be watching them in a movie. Okay, that was easy. nineteen ninety three, again, look who's talking now? She's the voice of Daphne. Yes. you seen that movie? I did. I think I saw this in theaters. I think I did too Is Daphne One of the dogs M Daphne. Yeahah. rightight? Dog. Right. That's what they uh I mean, good job. Okay, I read. nineteen ninety five, she directs but does not appear in unstrung hereroes. Yes, which is based on the true story of Franz Lids. who is a journalist and writer and it's a story about His own life where his mom became very sick and his father who was a brilliant man, sent him to go live with his uncles So in the movie it's Andy McDowell's mom, Joh Trurros's dad Maury Chaken and Michael Richards play his uncles And I'm doing this all off of memory. Wow. and M Pretty sentimental This is gonna sound weird because there's a lot of problematic people throughout her career, but Michael Richards is very good in this movie And the two uncles are very eccentric. H Mary Maurie Chikin's character is sort of a hoarder Michael Richards's character is a little bit of a conspiracy theorist But it's mostly about a young boy cool that adapted this. but Franzlid's not a huge fan of the movie of his own life. It's a little complicated, notot what you want. I don't think this is going in. I agree. nineteen ninety five Father of the Bad Part two, two No, four years later, four years l. Sure. So to catch people up Father of the Bride partart one, Steve Martin and Dian Keaton's daught Goran Nina Banks' daughter An G gets married. Yeah. Kimberly Williams I think you'll find she's now Kimberly Williams Pisley. I won't acknowledge. You're in this Pet Samras ara? Yes, that's right. Weere they together? Oh, yeah, for years. like when Sampras was like really Ria Wilson came in and dropped the elbow and ended it That's nice. I would allow that to happen too So now she's married and she and the freelance Technology consultant, which is code for unemployed are expecting a baby and it turns out that George and Nina are as well And so they are pregnant, they're almost identically Pregnant U alsoso George has sold the perfect home. U in San Rino, but that's actually in Pasadena The first wedding was held at. And so now he has to figure out how to repurchase his home and also how to be a dad in his mid forties But this is most memorable for a scene in which Kimberly Williams Paisley and Diane Keaton with gigantic baby bumps are led in a P Natal Aerobics by Martin Short. Do you remember this scene? course Well, it's literally the only thing I thought about for six months each time I was pregnant trying to do any sort of movement and I' just yeah it's just like that you got this, you know, I mean, it's the original You got this Mama but played for laughs. So that scene is very good. The movie is quite charming. not as magical as the first. I'm not gonna fight for it here. We can yellow it, but what happens if you accidentally get pregnant at forty nine I think I think we call K for Godfather two. we go to the red No? It would be a challenge C Banking's forty nine when she makes this movie. Listen I mean, science is amazing as our people who carry children, you know? So like anything's possible. It's not possible in the cards for me. That's just really not. I don't I can't do it again. Okay. I'll do it. I'll carry the baby. You think you could carry the child? Youre just like, I mean, putting aside like basic basic like bi biology questions or physi Do I have physiomy L strength? Well, and the your back. I don't think I mean, if you' were thinking I was going to say yes, I l I can I can barely carry a beach umbrella at this point in my life. Okay, I don't think that movie is going to go in, but I don't think so eer. However you're about to get to ninet nineteen ninety six. So first w. Okay, let me just, I'm not gonna yuck your yum First Wives Club Very beloved and a massive hit very important movie in her career Yeah. And I think that kind of sets the template for most of the twenty first century in terms of like style of movie that she starts making not the persona per se, but the style Um Why don't you st We're waiting Pregnant pause. Well, we've yellowed many superior films. Sure, You know what I'm saying is superior in what way From the perspective of a forty three year old man who hosts a movie podcast, In a siniaste sort of way. Yeah. I mean, look My mom got divorced in nineteen ninety four and this movie came out in nineteen ninety six, and she was like, this film matters. I would say of all of the text messages I get from people who think that I have any say over what is ever scheduled on the rewatchables This is number one requested by like a mile. Okay. Everyone is just like, when are you gonna do First Wives Club? Yeah Why amone like, Well, there are a number of reasons that I don't have an answer to that. But give us twelve Sue It is so popular and we do consider box office and there is sort of, you know, baby boom and then into the father of the brides and into F Wives clubs. She's kind of suddenly What almost fifty the center of like box office filmmaking for the first time. one of the biggest female stars of the time it's a team up movie though. It's kind of the Avengers of middle aged female movie stars. Welly Han and Bed Medler, But listen, who is front and center for you don't Oie? She is. It's Diane Keaton. Yeah. That clip alone, which is wonderful. too me puts this in the haall of fame. I think you gott to do it. I think you have to do that over Father the bride and Father of the Bide part too, personally. understanderesting I anticipated it going in. like I understand that Manhattan is a quote unquote superior film. Okay. Does it honor women in the same way? Does it honor women? Does it?ut that on the poster of the First Wives Club? Oost. Do any of these movies exist in four K besides like the Godfather? Manhattan, I'm sure. No, none of the woody movies are available in four K. I guess maybe any hall is available in four K, but not in the US I mean, that you can imagine there's some Yeah I about promoting the woody films. I don't think any of these movies are in Is there a Nancy Myyers' looking for Mr. G Barz. Vinegar syndrome I putrought a beautiful ition of it. That's really good. Yeah. what happens to her in that movie that's why. Something's got to give comes to four K later this year That's exciting. Yes, it is, especially because it was never released on Blue Ray. It is only available on DVD.. Yeah well you cor. You know. I think that maybe the gatekeepers are finally opening their eyes. I' have been listening to you I guess. First Wivifees Club is green. Great. nineteen ninety six Marvin's Room., which we recently discussed on the Meryll Street Hall of Fame. Dian King gets an Oscar nomination for this film. Now I didn't revisit this this time either. So you'll have to remind me about this movie. She iss the sick one, right? The sick one And she is like the nicer one And So Meryl is taking up more space, but Diane Keaton is kind of or that I didn't rewatch it for this. I only rewatched it for Marilyn. I remember being impressed by her and being like, oh, you don't normally see Diane Keaton like this certainly after the run from Baby Boom on of playing big broad comedy. R. And like it's softer and emotional and She's surrounded, you know, it's Leo, it's all of these big people, but I don't it wasn't memorable enough that I'm like we actually have to put it in. Yeah, I've only seen it once. I remember thinking it was perfectly fine. It's probably a little bit of the thing where She's got the first Wivess club and Marvin's room in the same year. and she's like Back backack You know, she's not playing fifth lead of the Father of the Bride partart two. likeike she is at the absolute center of movie culture. And she's playing some of the leukemia and that's the kind of thing that you know, affords some sympathies when voting time comes around. I would read it. you know, I think it even though it' an oscar movie, it't's not it's fine N not a big one. I'm fine with that. The only thrill we both watch for the first time for this podcast, which is yet another film with Sam Shepd. This is her third movie now with Sam Shepd Yes. Crimes of the Heart and Baby booom. And she plays middle aged woman who uh falls in love with this guy and they talk a lot about movies They do and also about distributions. So I texted you when he was explaining a Sony Bamax player to her. Yeah. So you could watch movies at home. Yeah, I never had a Batamax at home. I obviously didn't either. but I was just like, wow, this is the only time I want to hear anyone talk about physical media at home distribution is when it's Sam Shepard And then the movie kept going. She has to move. They don't really talk anymore. Other people find love I guess It's not going This movie is a soggy piece of bread. That's red for the only thrill. nineteen ninety nine's the other sister. Yes. She plays the mother of a disabled girl who falls in love with a guy. U meemorably portrayed by Juliette Lewis and Giovanni Rubbisi and parts that would never be played by those actors twenty twenty six. Turned this off because I was just so uncomfortable U That's not another problematic artifact of Jam Keaton's filmography, notot going in, that's red. Yeah It's a swetvie It's got its heart in the right place. It's just not they shouldn't they shouldn't Yeah. they just should' have done that two thousand hanging up, This is a movie that she both co stars in and directs. Yes, that I saw in theaters I support women directors and I have the entire millennium plus one year because two thousand. We're proud of you for that. This was did not has transpired in the previous millennium, but that's okay. O year. The moovie is based on Delia Efron's novel and which is it something of a ofver Autobiographical piece or is it entirely created? I don't know how much is inspired by their actual father, but it's co written. I think that they're I mean, they're always borrowing as we know. yes, right. Everything is. The movie iss co wrritten with Nora Efron and directed by Keaton and if it It's like It's like the Efrons are a little drunk the You know what I mean? Like It's like someone who doesn't quite have like all their faculties And it's it's it's a to me fascinating artifact because you know, you have the Nancy Myers Diane Keaton track in the nineties and then you've got the Nora Efron, Meg Um Meg Ryan track. Both have something to do like aesthetically with Woody Allen, but they're exploring them in different ways. Kind of kindind of like deconstructing Exactly. The Woody Allen ide. Yeah. and So but they're kind of they're running parallel and then this is your whole sh together. I know. And it and it's too confusing when it's all together. It doesn't quite movie is not good. Yeah.'s a good's a Very good Walter Mathell performance in this movie as a father you would say who is losing his marbles. He's just very funny.'s very funny It's last Dan Keat and Meg Ryan not a good Meg Ryan not good Meg Ryan. Dan Keen does have a whole lot to do. bothoth she and Lisa Kucher are kind of sidelined for most of the movie. It's mostly Meg Ryan's movie But this is kind of when things are kind of slipping a little bit for Meg Ryan, I would say. U Yeah, this is after You've got mail is ninety eight. and then ye. Um So yeah, I would say it's red.. I though she directed in stars in it. two thousand one toown in countountry. Okay this is when we I start I have to start clicking through every single one to remember which is which. I got you up until I mean, I've I'm going basically check out of this podcast cirit two thousand eight So Well I think everyone's Oh, this is the one that's written by Buck Henry. This is one of the craziest movies I' I fo like this is insane. This movie's insane. So it wasn't originally written by Buck Henry. He was paid millions of dollars to rewrite it during production. and he famously talked about buying home with the paycheck he got from rewriting this movie, which stars Warn Baby. It's his last movie until Rules don't apply. which you famously loved. I certainly do. I love Warren B Beaty. I also love Gary Shandling. I also love Dian Keaton. Goldie Han. I like Goldi Hawn, I wouldn't say I love Goldie Hau. Nothing personal. you know It's like that's the thing where you That's what I like about you, but also I think that's a wrong taste. But you're a little resistant to the to the Daffy Bonde thing and thank you, you know? because not my speed. Yeah. but also, she's very ched hold on. Yeah, I know she's glved, just not really my thing The movie this movie is terrible. This movie is entirely about how Boomeren' central preoccupation is their own dick. That's the whole mov is like these guys are only interested in what they're able to conquer sexually but it's set in this like Fcical world of U sixty year olds who are like obsessing over whether they're cheating on someone or being cheated on And it's super overwritten and silly and not funny It's first school, but there's nothing funny about it. No. It's really bad. It's a famous huge bomb.' an architect. So they're hopping from like fancy place to fancy place. and like the crown molding in every home is spot on and then no one's alive behind the ice. Production design and costuming is fantastic in this movie. everythingverything else sucks. The movie costs like one hundred twenty five million dollars And it's basically just a it's quite bad.itt going in. it's red. Okay. Plan B D didn't see Hold then, two thousand two Oh, I saw this when it came out, but I didn't revisit it. Okay. This is a sequel to that scene from the Godfather Part two No, she kind of joins the mob sort of by accident. And then Pul Rino's also in it. this I remember. and this is where Un of Paulse Rvino and some of the hats come in I think this movie has been Kind of deleted Like it's not really available in too many places. Iike guess it was released on DVD. But it does not have a big footprint. It's definitely And this starts to happen more and more where this is going to come up again. actually, you know what I don't have on my list here, but maybe I should have. But I think I skipped over running mates You know about Running mates? No. it's another movie that's been kind of deleted, and I don't know why it's actually not listed here, but nineteen ninety three, It's directed by him Oh, o my goodness. who is the director of the film? I can't remember it's Ed Harrison Merill Street or Ed Harrison and Dyian Keaton. He's playing a senator, she's playing a woman who he meets and they fall in love and it's unclear if they can be together because he's a public person U And I tried by Michael Lindsay Haog. Michael Lindseayy Hogk, thank you. two nineteen ninety two. Yes. I don't know why it's not on the list here. It should be on the list.. I couldn't find it Ily couldn't, I didn't know that it existed. Yeah. So and there are a few movies like this where like in her career, they're just really hard to track down. I'm sure there's a DVD copy or the VHS copy of Running me' floating around somewhere You never hear about that movie. Michael Lindseay Hug absolutely owned in the Peter Jackson Let it Be Well yeah, he shot the original getback I know, I know, but then he's just in it's really good stuff planlan B is read two thousand three something's gotta give. Is there anything you need to say about this Other than its greenness You're on the record. That's true. I am on the record. I think it's another example of This is clearly where Nancy Myers logs on the most. and I think it is if not literally autobiographical, like the most Autobiographical of hers, the most Woody Allen esque of hers. So it uses what, you know, Dan Keaton learns in that tradition. I think, you know, it's well known that they had Dialogues about How much improvisation or how much of Diane Keaton she could bring to the script, but it works beautifully. and Um It would have been hard not to pick Yiano Rfs for me personally, but You know, it works out in the end. Well, it's a wonderful. Oh my way of like closing up the reds is, you know where Eugen O'Neil walks out on her and they're both kind of devastated in reds. and In this movie, they get to be together and they're so wonderful together. The Hamptons's Doctor turns out to be quite handsome, whoo would have thought You didn't marry a doctor. I noticed. Yeah, it's interesting. Something's got to give us green, of course. and You know, she gets an Oscar nomination for that You should, but it's the I think it's the only Ocar nomination for something's got to give. I don't think screenplay nominated. I think you're right Thank whichich I think is a mistake She said that she's effectively playing Nancy, but one thing to keep in mind and I've been told this by a couple of people now is that one of the reasons why Maybe starting circuit nineteen ninety through this period is Diane Keaton was simultaneously a very established star in star persona and also very particular about how she wanted to appear in movies. She doesn't make a lot of period movies. She's often wearing Diane Keaton clothing. Right. Very notable. She looks, as you pointed out at the top of this conversation, like herself a lot. And that was important to. this one, you know, something's gott to give is a combination, this famously launched coastal grandma twenty five years later, which is just wearing gap clothes in neutral colors. But that's okay. Wlcome, Tens. It's So funny though, because again, she's like fifty six. She's not that old. No, it's true That's twelve years older than me. So to be like coastal grandma, Listen I mean I get a close to coal Gramma and famously is nude in this film and looks hot. She does. And that's it's a quick shot, you know, do they do it it's tasteful. possibly. Why not What's wrong with that? I mean this is from TikTokers. I they don't know that something's gotta give us. That's great That's beautiful two thousand five The Family St. A lot of people like this movie. I don't care for it. What do you think? I find myself rewatching this like every Christmas at some point. And I don't it's just on. And then I'm like, oh no, I gotta get to the point where Sarah Jessica Parker says like incredibly racist things at the dinner table. and And then I got your favorite part? Well, no, but that dinner table scene and then I gotta get to the part Claire Anne's showing up I got to get the part with the Strada, you know, And then I'm like, wow, I've seen this movie and then, you know, Luke Wilson It's like pretty hot and getting stoned in the attic. Could have been har before. You know, it's So and I think about this movie way more than I should for it being a not very good movie. and she's pretty mean in it. She's another mom of five or six kids. I think. includluding Rachel Mcdams. Rachel Mc Adams pretty mean to her It was a nice moment at the end with the f framed photograph I don't know, I guess it's not going in, but I think you'd like to leave Manhattan on the sidelines and get the family stone in. Listen I did my homework for this So I'm prepared. I'm just going to say you know, we've got quite few movies left to go. We're gonna have to move quickly through. Okay. you always do this sorry that I spent hours not hours. I'm not trying to wrap you up. I'm just gonna to say I wanted to count out how many greens we had. Okay, okay. You don't hold on, hang in there, mama One, two, three, four, five, six, seven greens right now And I know you have at least one more green on your mind as we go through this Yeah, but we can talk about that. Like I'm not going to say that we need to put that above Manhattan Okay. M just want to say I did see two thousand sevens because I said so Okay. And I think it's one of the most derranged films in her filmography Here's the plot of this movie Uh Diane Keaton is a mother of three girls. Yes Father's out of the picture. Who are the three girls? Lauren Graham. Yes. Who's married, happily married Piper Peribo. Yes, who I can't tell if she's married or not, but she's got a very active she get married Yeah. Doesn't it start with her there was wedding I think that get married. I think at first it'sauren Graham's wedding then Piper Parab's wedd. because it's, you know, they're setting a The thirdaught is play byandy Moore. And Mandy Moo can't be older than twenty three years old in this movie. No. And the whole movie is premised around on this Dyianing Keaton desperately needing this twenty three year old girl to get locked down Right too get married because she needs I think' seven. She's an aspiring caterer also. Okay, you know, or I'm sorry. she's twenty three. They're treating it like it's like I think she's theeen hundreds. I mean, I agree with you. What is the what are the fucking sexual gender politics of this. So Dian Kay goes about this by auditioning ive suitors Yeah for her daughter. and And she rejects Tom's Everet Scott from that thing you do? No, she thinks Tom Everet Scott is like the best choice. and he's a D bag architect. Right. And Gabriel Moach comes in and this guy's a fucking charming music teacher who's teaching like elderly people and eight year olds how to play the guitar. Yeah. And Dianan Keeen's like, no, no, no, he's not okay. This movie is fucking Deranged It's the one of the most can't you just can't compare The presence and the chemistry of Gabriel Mck to Tom Everet Scott I'm sry.o' your preference? Youre prefer Tom Eret Scottotot listen, you are sick in the head. No. This movie is the most flashing green lady to Gabriel Mck of all time and they're like what's Al She's like banging both of these guys the movie. Oh that is her right. I agree' two thousand seven I agree the women are liberated. But both men find out about this and they're like, you whore. Like this is the craziest movie. This movie was not made in like nineteen eighty four. It was really And this is nineteen years ago. This is one of the ones where I was like, this is a lot bluer than I need it to be for Diane Keaton talking to her three adult daughters about sex. Well, there's a scene in which Mandny Moore vividly recalls the exact experience of having an orgasm. To her mother. Yep. Is that something you would do? No. Okay. Very strange. I don't think that it should go in It's red. I just don't think Gabriel Mark has a lot of chemistry. I watched this movie and that's when I was like, a man, I might need you to take over for twenty ten through twenty twenty two. Okay, I did. So Mama's boy. Didn't see this? Yes. So this is a movie starring Diane Keaton And John Peter? Yeah. Peter. Peter He Yeah And then who is her boyfriend? Oh, yeah, and sure then Jeff Daniel. So basically Je John Heater is u oldlder Napoleon dynamite Teirder. less charismatic and won't leave home. Weirder than Napoleon Dynamite? Well, like he just doesn't have the Riz, you know? And Napoleon Dynamite, whatever you want to sayve about him, likeike he has the Riz. He had R? Yes. about him Wow. I'm so So he doesn' you were in the buullan dining room? No, but you're rooting for him and you're not really rooting for John Kber U evenven though so Anna Ferris Pace is love interest and she works at a I don't know she's an inspired musician. so Anna Ferris like gives a very funny like half ass musical performance, you know, orever and always, Justice for Anna Ferris, Dan Keaton just tries to get her lazy son to move out of her house. And then things go right. It's not going in. Okay Oh my Godd, did you see Mad money? No. Okay Mad So what happens is is when I Google these, then Mad money, the, you know, they're all borrowed from OG more familiar. So the SEO is really not. I just lost my shoe, thingsings are going, okay. Pen in there. This is what it takes to host this show. Do you know who directed Mad money Elon Musk Cally Curry Oh, I knew that. The writer of Silman Louise.es. This stars Diane Keat, Queen Latifa and Katie Holes And and then who is her husband? Who' her husband? It's Ted Danson. And Ted Danson, you know, squanders the family finances. So Dan Keaten gets a job at the Federal Reserve, I think, some sort of financial institution And she sees how they dispose of money. And she's like, well isn't fully disposing of the money. So I'm going to hatch a crime plan with Queen Latifa and Katie Holmes and we're going to steal all the shredded money I'll be honest, I tune out a little bit during the specifics of this, But it's okay, but it's sort of, you know, like a u A Langley Mission impossible, nineteen ninety six he accept not at all thrilling and doesn't make sense. And then They do get a lot of the money back And then they get caught, but then it's okay Not going in. It's not going in. So are you gonna do that for all of these movies? As many as I can remember. I saw Smother. So Smother is another TV movie that and it's another one of a A mom and a son and the dynamic is unusual in that it's. Well, in this case, Dax Shepherard has a very overbearing weather played by Dian Keaton. Liv Tyler is in this is in this movie as well as the person that Dax Shepherd is romantically involved with and someone else who I thought was too good for this Anyway Uh, it's it's not good because Dian Keaten just like can't let go. And so now she's just she's kind of in weird mom erritory. Yes.ight two movies in a row where that are veryair similar. So that's also red. Okay, that's red. I mean, twenty ten is Morning Glory. Morning Glory, which I think is a wonderful film. Kind of one of the last like classic romantic comedies starring Dian Keaton and Harrison Ford as Newscasters passast their prime who are brought in to u rehabilitate a morning show that is produced by Rachel McAdams with the help of her boyfriend CBS producer, not CBS producer, though it is effectively CBS. sixixty Mutes, askk prodroucer, Patrick Wilson My boy, your boy So It's very it's determing, funny written violen Brush Mcenna. It's mostly focus on Rach Mc Adams, but Dian Keaton is playing kind of like the That like over the hill, but with it Like a little daffy, a little mad, very funny chemistry with Harrison Ford also gets annoyed when he completely steals her show as he does. I don't think it has to go in. I see the floor to you. It can be yellow or it can be blue. I like this movie, but haven't seen it in sixteen years Let's just yellow it. Okay And it can be my blue out of respect.ough like people now when they ask me for recommendations of Little see and romantic comedies, they're like not morning Gory. we know. So maybe my work there is already done. Okay. twenty twelve Darling compompanion. I did see this movie Okay which one is before this is Lawce Castden. Kevin Klein. God, I forget. Yes. Yeah. this movie's kind of a mess. Yeah so dog They have Dian Keaton sees a dog on the highway that's been gravely injured While she's with her daughter played by Elizabethoss they pick up the dog, they adopt the dog, and then the dog becomes a part of their family. Yeah. They go on a vacation after their daughter's wedding and a log cabin vacation, I guess with their in laws, and the dog runs away and disappears. And then the whole movie is about the search for the dog That's the darling companion or is it is it the love in our lives that we need to rediscover and relight the flame. It's true And the film answers that question thningly. It was quite boring. I didn't really like it very much. So that's red. It's not going. I didn't see the big wedding Big wedding is a remake of a Swiss French film So maybe you should check it out I just want to say Yeah. I'm really pleased with what the Swiss are doing problem is we're on a plane well in the World Cup. Okay. becausecause you know my grandfather born inwitzerland. Yeah you've made us aware. Your imedia family and friends incredibly aware. Yes, everyone's aware. Um The Swiss matches while we're the plane tomorrow So the TVs need to work Why just stream it If the TVs don't work, then you just stream it then the wi' got to work. Wi's got to work I have to watch like three David Kroodenberg films, but that's that's what we'll be doing. Yeah, just watch one Yeah I don't need to know one. No spoilers Go Okay. So this is De Ner' in this one. Yeah. We gotta get home for the USMS. I know Kn Heigl. I mean, a Cciyphred, Thher Grace. And so it's another one of these things where there's weddings, you know, a young couple is being married and then Diane Keaton plays one of the parents who is having to make amends with or conceal parts of her own relationship in order to make things okay for the next generation. It's supposed to be funny. It's not really. I think she's married to De Niro Yeah, and then And then some other things might happen It's not particularly amusing and it should not go in. Okay, R. Okay And so it goes I mean I saw all of these. I watched every So this one so this was this is the Rob Riner Yes. I wanted to watch this. This is was Michel Douglas and I just didn' Michael Douglas and Rob Reiner and he This is this is on Netflix right now Michael Douglas is a realestate agent, a racist real estate agent yeah, he says many offensive things and is kind of profiling all the couples who come to look at the home that he's selling, which spoiler alert turnurns out to be his own home And then Danin's his neighbor. And then Michael Douglas in a sort of baby boom grandfather situation inherits a grandchild Not inherits, but like his estranged son drops him off and Diane Keaton forms a relationship with the daughter, with the grandchild and then with Michael Douglas. and then I can't remember if they sell the house and They do end up together H's the thing, the goal of these segments are not for you to entirely recap the film. So reed Okay. I'm something about the quality of her performance and whether or not it should go in. She's just kind of on the side.. How funny is it when in these movies that come out at the end of these people's careers and it's like, And so it goes. What does that mean? That's why I'm Googling all of this. You a real title. Okay Starars with Morgan Freemman and this is about gentrification and also real estate What a year, twenty fourteen Wellation is innately tied to real estate And this is stand on gentrification. This is the one where I sent you the screenshot of the painting becausecause Morgan Frame is a painter. Oh sure, yeah. And he's working on a portrait of Dian Keaton that's revealed at the end of the Yeah, great. the movie and I like it' this is this is a twenty fourteen film. so I don't think the painting is AI. I think someone has sort of like painted a photograph of Diane Keeenen, but we look like a painting of her It is clearly what has been fed into all of the large learning machines in order to create the art that we see all around us in films. horrifying sight. She's fine in it. She I mean, a lot of them She's just kind of showing up and like you know, doing one or two Diane Keaton like vocal ticks And one moment where she's like, well, I didn't really think it was gonna happen like that. you know, And she brings in like thirty minutes of emotion, and you're like, Wh whyy did you wantan to do this notot going in Love the Coopers This is another ensemble thing. This is Christmas Okay Okay. Okay, so this is one where it's Christmas and she's the matriarch of the family and they're h up. They're completely coming apart at the seams. But kickoff is in one hour. But I know, I'm so sweating I said I would be Redbox Captain and I do my homework. So here you go. So they don't want to spoil Christmas with a, um A divorce So they go doesn't want to spoil it? Diane Keaton and her husband played by John Goodman John Goodman I love John Listen it's stacked cast. Allan Arkin. Youve forty Man for it again. Olivia Wilde, Jake Lacey. Olivia Wilde and Jake Lacey She's single for reasons that pass understanding. June Squibbs in this Timmy Shows up for five minutes. Yeah Chalamay. Timothy Shalamay? Kim? Yes I didn't know that. And I've got a hole my Chalam resume. So I think that they I don't remember honestly. I think they do stay together. John Goodman and Dan Keaten at the end. So but she's like Yeah., let's talk about the title for a second. Yeah. Is it S shouldn't it be love Kama the Coopers? orr is it just like, oh, I love the Coopers? I think it's supposed to be both. Like I love the Coopers Yeahstration I'm not dead yet because the entire movie is narrated by Steve Martin What can you explain can you guess Steve Martin's relationship? to this family which revealed at the end of the movie He's their doctor. He's their dog Bra That was worth it. Okay. twenty sixteen finding Dory. She plays the voice of Dory's mom, I believe, Jenny. I took my daughter to see this last year at Vidiots and I wept. Okay I just gott toa say, I thought it was very nice. No, I don't. Okay. But it's not doesn't need to go in the Dam Keaton Hall of Fame, but and it's a unnecessary Pixar sequel Okay, I much.ure. Yeah. That's becoming a bit of a theme with you. But Well, I like Pixar. What can I say? And I like Pixar' sequels and I'mkay with that. twenty seventeen Hmstet started watching this and decided, no thanks. Wow. You don't care about Don H Brerenan Gleon. Finding love with Diane Keaton and also a bit of real estate and overriding the corporate real estate entrance interest, once again, a movie about real estate as represented by Leslie Manville. I enjoy Leslie Manville and I did get to see a little bit of her while watching it. I felt that this was an excuse for Diane Keaton to spend three months in England. That seems like a great reason to do anything It's not going in. Okay. Red She's a widow. She's playing a lot of widows and loner people at this one twenty eighteen book Club. Yeah. Ive seen book Club This was a thing. It was a big thing. It was a successful movie. And I keep saying this reset the future for the kinds of movies that she made, but you know like every ten years, she makes another movie. Don't forget about Dian Katon who's a big st And this was one And this is at a time when the box office is really booming And there are always alternatives where it's like this is an underserved audience for basically women over fifty. The movie massively over indexed for women over fifty, probably women over thirty, to be honest with you. club and it was based on they read fifty shades of gray. Yes So it's smart. Yeah, it's sort of it's girls trip aged up. Yeah And you know, it's not unlike the First Wives Cub template where it's just you get together a group of women of a certain age, she likes sing together. And she kind of got away from that and was trying to do rom coms with some of the greatest male actors of her generation and they were all quite poor. So instead she decides to do this. It's good. It's a big team up too because it's the first time this year with Jane Fonda and Candace Bergen. And you know, three real megaars in the nineteen seventies coming together. and Mary Steam Burgin is the fourth as well. pllus Andy Garcia, Don Johnson. You know, I don't remember being very good Remember being like that That's fine. It's not. And If I remember Book Club too more fondly, so we can get to that anyway in a bit.ag for sure. So it doesn need to go in twenty nineteen palms Toms Wish you pronounce like you're just throwing me off. I keep Palm free. Palm Frz is what I hear when you Palm Fr. Yes, but it is like palm like but it's not like palm free. Yeah Anyway Tom, are you correcting me on pronunciation This is the pronunciation problem, okay? Like I'm fine. I'm like, you know, You you got French down. I miss as much as I get right, but that's life. Okay, so I texted you at ten twelve last night and I said Right now is when I learned that this movie is not eighty for Brady. Yes, she's not in for Brady. She's not in eighty for Brady, but Jane Fond is. Correct. Yes. And so I was bringing the book club together. Anyway, this is about This is another women of a certain age team up together this time at a retirement community because They need to discover their love of life through cheerleading She does another dance performance at the end. Be the the elderly cheerleaders, you know overcome all the various obstacles facing them and they're, you know, all that stands between them and cheerleading and they perform the local regional, whatever championships, it's kind of bringing on, but for seniors And she's front and center and she does like a funny comedy dance thing. Like she leans into the physicality of all of it. and it is quite funny. Does she look? the spirit fingers sky like choreography while doing it? Yes, but that's the point. Okay. Okaykay, not now. twenty twenty love weddings and other disasters. I think maybe the single worst movie that I saw of all of I was surpred to learn this film existed when I. So I think it was ultimately released in december twenty twenty. which should tell you something.. And I believe that this has a four percent on rotten tomatoes. fourour percent. I've never seen it. That's why I noticed it. one, two, three, four Okay And it's low. stars There's Jeremy Irons, among many other people whose names I don't remember And it's really about other people getting married and then he's the wedding planner and she is there. I think she gets set up on a date with him. But so first of all, it's asking me to believe that Jeremy Irons is a wedding planner. Oh, she's blind, sorry, I. I was wondering as you were speaking, what are these other disasters from the tit? That's not even the disaster. That's not a dis that's a fact of life. I'm not trying to silence you, but we don't need to talk about this movie anymore you asked me to say something about performances.. She's blind. Well that's She's, you know, she she's playing a blind. She adequately perform as a blind. I. Well, then she explains a whole art project that she does where she like she does photography by sound And the sht. That's a thing. That's fairly convining. but I would say that Jeremy Irons is the OCD wedding planner was like The bridge too far for me. So Dian Keaton wasn't really the problem here. Mac and Rita. twenty twenty two Mac and Rita. Yeah. She plays Rita Y, Sack Mack is her younger self Itand the world this movie? With a different name. So this movie is directed by Katie Aston and and it's set It's a girls weeend in Palm Springs and this young woman Max She's thirties and she's just a little bit lost in life. And so who portrays her I have forgotten this young woman's name. I thought that she was perfectly nice Perfectly good. This was a movie that was not good, but not incompetent. Elizabeth Lale. Yeah B Wh is It was not It didn't. Oh, she's the star of five night nights Freddy'. Sure. didn't But it wasn't bad. if that makes any sense. And I feel like I watched so many movies that I felt were truly and previously like Katy is. love weddings and other disasters that this anyway just didn't work, but Simon Rex is in it briefly And so she goes to you know, she has some sort of aura reading thing in the desert in a tent with Simon Rex. and then she gets out of the tanning bed and she's her seventy year old self, as played by Dian Keaton, who is honestly the least effective part of the film. She's trying, but Taylor Page, very funny in it. twenty twenty three, we're almost here. Maybe I do. I did watch this. Oh, this is This is Oh, sure reunion with Richard Gere. and also Susan Sanon and William H. Macy. And this is another one where the young people are getting married And the old people have some things they need to work out She and you arere kind of interesting in it. It's not their problem, but it's a bad movie. Okay. So that's not going. Yeah. Maybe I do the big wedding, love weddings and other disasters. This seems to be a theme. She's's going back to Book Club too, they're also going to a wedding. The next chapter. Book Club, the next chapter And so they're going on a bachelorette trip to Tuscany And I remember that Diane Keaton like gets a full makeover and she buys all of these fantastic veryaresque Diane Keaton dresses. So that's fun that she gets to do that. And also at a vineyard, I think at the rehearsal dinner, there's a kind of cast movie wide performance of Laura Bran against Gloria which is an underrated song in my opinion. Okay twenty four Arthurs Whisky. didn'tage It fed you? I didn't. so I failed us. So that's weirres just say red because we have to. And then twenty twenty four, her final feature film suummer camp. Did you watch this? I did. So this is. I said I would do the work. That's great. I did the fucking work. I'm proud of you. This I've not seen a collection of consecutive reeds like this in all my time doing this episode. This is another, you know girls trip, but they it's friends who used to go to camp together and they go back to camp to ref to find themselves What'd you think I'm not a camp person And I, you know neeithers Diane Keaton really Did you like didid you go to like summer camp? Day camp. I never sure I only did sleep overver camp for basketball. I o I did sleep overver. those that's trading camp. It was was different.. I don't I wasn't quite at that level of performance, but That was the only time I said. This is like sleep awake camp, which is like, you know, you know what I like the film sleepwake camp whichich is a wonderful horror film that maybe you should get yourself up on if you're going to talk about teenage sex and death in Camp I. Well, I think currently I'm not because you scheduled it for on vacation. that' the fil'm coming out. At some point You know, I saw it in May. pre record some thoughts. We'll play on this episode. Summer camp' not going in. I don't really think Dan Katon was a huge summer camp person either The Hall of Fame. Yeah. Right now we've got seven greens and two, four, six eight yellows. Okay. Three of these yellows must be turned green. Okay, so looking for Mr. Goodbar, yes I fully agree. Loo for Mr. Goodbar, yes Why don't we just put Godfather in with Godfather partart two under the Robert Duvalum? I think you have to. Okay. I think it would be incomplete. But that's fine, but that's just one. Yeah. That's that's how you guys Is that how we did it? We just counted it as one film.. Am I incorrect on that? No, that is correct. Okay. Okay. then let's do exact that whole episode. Thank you very much for supporting Tracy Lets was like should we call Tracy right now? like live and be like, what should we put in the day and Keaten Hall of Fame? But you know he and I spoke about whether or not this should be something he should participate in, but he did say to me, I can at least share this that he was not very up on a lot of the later films. R. Well, neither were you. I knew and I still aren't Okay, so play it again, Sam, Yay or nay. Nay. I say nay Manhattan Yeah I think so., listen. Now that gets us down to one more spot See I don't father of the bride. Maybe we should I think would you rather him shoot the moon of Manhattan Hm She's She's the show in S shoot the Moon. But you can't be like, thank you for spending so much time talking about this movie and not put Manhattan in as a result. That wasn't that wasn't my. I still have two blues to choose. So you'll do Mhattan as blue? Well that seems problematic. Okay. I's gonna say Whatoody Jack, is that what do you think about that? That's not problematic. Come on. I don't think so either. U I really like Manhattan I always really liked it as a movie evenven though it's got some Very funky stuff going on. So we'll say Father of the bride is in. Okay You want to do shoot the moon inide of Mhattan if want. Maybe you' do Mhattan Any hallall, Maybe man Manhattan murder myster. Like we have We have a lot of things here. This is her most significant collaborator Okay. And we would have three different registers, I would say. you're right. And we do also have three U myers. so That seems appropriate. Okay and then maybe shoot the moon as my blue think about that. I'm good with that and I will would you do Morning Glories? I will probably do Morning gllorory as my blue, even though some people say that I've already Let that message be known. let me reinforce it This is right What do you think about this? I'm going I'll read it off to you. The godfather one and two exist in one slot. just cheating, but it's okay. Annie Hall, looking for Mr. Goodbar, Manhattan Reds Shoot the mooon is my blue. Baby Bom, father of the Bride, Manhattan Murder Mystery, the first Wives Club. somethingomething's gotta give, and your blue is morning gllory. Yeah. This feel like That's right And that's what. thirty that represents thirty years of fifty year career. then what happened watch every one of those movies. I mean, more than thirty years, is almost forty years. Yeah. Nearly forty years. And then she made a lot of other movies. What movie of the ones I described are you most curious about? None of them. I like the one with the dog narrator Oh yeah. Love the Coopper. Yeah. Yeah you had a good cast. Yeah. Maybe I'll check that out I don't think that you should. I'd also like to be full on Rob R Reiner, likeike I'd like to see all the Rob Reiner movies. so maybe I'll watch that one. Maybe I do where you said Michael Douglas is a racist real estate agent. Well, he's certainly yeah, he's insensitive. Yeah insensitive. Well there's a fine line there. It's not really thatalling racist It's not really it's the character. It's not really that fine of a line Um, Any closing thoughts on Dying Keaten Wonderful star of stage and screen A leegend. This is one of the ones where even where I was watching the ridiculous movies I mean, sometimes that was a little bit of a chore, but otherwise This was a delight. And it was a different type of movie than normally We got for Hall of Fame. Will you be screening the good mother at any preschools in the near future? As you know, I don't really organize any preschool events. so I just I'm just grateful for those who do and I show up and then I don't accuse anyone of anything Well, that just about does it. We're going to Toronto. That are That's what we're doing for the rest of this week. Fortunately, we have prereorded an episode about certainly one of my favorite movies of the year. I think one of yours as well.bsolutely. In invite Olivia Wild's new mov. Go see it. Don't listen to the podcast until you see. Yeah. We spoke around sppoilers for a bit and then really spoiled the movie and got into it because it is really rich text And I've been thinking about writing about this, and I'm going to pick your brain about it a little bit when we get off. But think about writing about and maybe we can bleed this into the show The Millennial movie masterpieces Oh, okay. because that movie Yeah is very millennial. Yes. And we're getting to the family. like we've reached our era. Yeah. It's like people are in their forties and they're making movies they're making the movies they wantan to make Yeah It's a movie clearly that Livy Wild wanted to make for very specific reasons. So anyway, we can give that some thought And yeah, we'll be crossing the border. Hopefully they'll let you back in the country. You you think they will I did this morning put my passport in my bag so I wouldn't forget it because like five times. Last week I Googled the adapter power bolt situation. We're all in the clear. and ready to go. Good job. Yeah. Do you know what province we're traveling to U Ontario? Crect. Yeah. I did know that. Yeah. I got to study the provinces for so when I get there. I'm not what happens if you don't know they murder you, what do they do? Yes, Ber Canadian. kill you publicly. I'm excited about that. Thanks to our producer Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Thanks to Lucas Kavanaugh for the production support. As I said, we will have the invite coming on the show on Friday