Player admiration and career reflections

Scottish Football podcast. Hello and welcome to the Big Scotish foootball podcast. I can't remember what episode it is because I don't have the script in front of me because I'm hundred eighty three. one hundred and eighty three, John. yeah, you're going gonna have to keep it right today so I'm Steven Mill. I'm live in the World Cup in Boston and Gordon Delson this you. How you doing? alright? I'm doing Brilliantate. and I'll tell you what, you're a hero to get up at this time the morning to do this show Let me tell you just looking at that screen, I'm sitting next to Gary the gorilla and he looks a lot fucking better nicked than what you are Yeah, it it was later last night than I thought it was going to be to honestly there's been a lot of beer. It's been a lot of beer for the last week or so. but no, it's fine it's not bad. It's like quarter seven in the morning, E everyone else is in their bed. So I'm haing they speak a wee bit quietly. Do you think Do you think your voice has gotten hold out You've been singing for. You've been sing a few tunes mate. Let's be honest about it I B the way, you would enjoy the nightlife. I would say, Gordon Dale. I would say, I know you enjoyed the nightlife in Germany when you were over to the Eururos. It's a shame that you're not here because I think that would you'd be enjoying yourself. Let me just let me just say something Stepen, right afterfter the euros, I'm screaming after about ten days to go home, right? And when I found out that Unfortunately, I'm not going to America this year. I was absolutely delighted, right? I've got Ands up delated She's seeing the scenes now I am so so jealousy everybody over it. It looks absolutely inccredible. Yeah, I mean, some of the like some of the pops and everythingon, I think I don't think Boston has any idea that it would be this many Scotland fans and to be fair like I didn't think there would be this many Scotland fans as well. like I thought it was going to be obviously I knew there was going to be aoy Scots, but like You se in the stadium the other night for the game. like I would say eightighty percent of the crowds were Scottish Like it was it was absolutely incredible. And then you'll see all this stuff they all went to the the reeds the Reds Hks at Fenway Park yesterday and all the marching and all the And they were showing up on the TV in the bar that I was in last night and every time they got to the crowd it was just all Scottish. So it was just the most bizarre thing. but yeah, honestly, it's been absolutely amazing. And how's it been back home? How's it been? Well brilliant. abbsolutely. you can imagine the scenes back here. certainly A late Sunday morning Tony Wat and I arrived in the emergen city at F past twelve and we' left it Occuies And there was still it was like Alask qua I just put on a sale in the shops. It was absolutely. So I saw a clip online and I think it was maybe like it was in Finiston in Glasgow and Argyle Street and it was outside the bar after the game and it was like quarter to five in the morning And like the whole it looked like a like prime Saturday night. so it was just it looked absolutely incredible, but not like it's Obviously we'll get to the game in just three seconds but we had a barbecue yester inday the garden, right? Be I'm staying in Airbnb Yeah. and You should you should see the stakakes that we got a te like te bone stakakes yesterday And they were absolutely phenomenal Penomal. Are you the barbecue man? Do you cook I was the chef. I was the chef. Yeah, you so And I was just going to say to you, what's your dream barbecue setup? What's on your dream barbecue menu, Gordon Dale? Yeah, I would probably go down the road of those steaks, but Ill tell you what See me, I'm a planain Jane I like just a good burger meat see if it's cooked nice and just you know, they smell a barbecue and I could probably smell yours from here with the size of m you've got to say. And it does smell delicious. Now I just like just a burger. Nothing you beat sunshine, a nice burger, buted tomato cheese on it little bit short and a nice beer It's wonderful, isn't it? You know, simple things in life are wonderful And your sausage manan Oh a lot. Well, I know a lot of people like the sauucies, but yeah, I I would take up your saucies. yes, no problem at all with that. Listen I'm sort of a And for everything the barbecue. I don't think you could list anything in a barbecue that I would probably and I hate saying this turn my nose up. What about corn and the cob off the. L love it. Love it ye. Love that Listen, I would put the recliner back with a corn and a cob and just fill my buts. fill my buts. I've got to say, it's the one thing that's great, right? A barbecue, especially in the sunshine. Well, obviously it's got to be in the sunshine, but especially if you go over to America or something like that, because they're massive in it and they do it fucking near every day of their lives. But I'm so jealous here Yeah, of course The Americans barbecues Well, okay, not every day, but you think of amount of barbecues that the Americans must have with their weather? You wouldn't sit inside and cook, would you? getet a barbeie home, getet a few tinnies on, fucking get the te bone steaks on or a burgers or a sausage or Corn in the cop nowere you go about Chlot on the desk? Pay D. Costlord potato salad does. U G question. Yeah, great question, John. could you go both, but if If I was picking one potato salad I'm a goodoody master. I bad be cool, let me tell you. I am a gy something You're doing something at the moment, Gordon, which I love, right? I feel I'm a barbecue mate You're you're describing and talking through a barbecue like a football pund You're doing that thing where like this could be like you could be talking about football, but you've just insented like some the burgers and sausages and stuff in it. so I'm actually sitting here, I'm slbing like a fucking po your dug. I've got to say, I'm thinking myself Whaty about the football? What about it been over there the atmosphere I'm messing the bott of a kid. I'm messing the bottle of a kid. I don't know, I know exactly. So listen, ye you're missing out, you're missing out, Con. But here's a thing for you, right? So I was just telling the guys allair before we started recording that getting into the game was an absolute nightmare The other day, like it was so bad. like the organization was so bad. It took us like an hour to get in. We went an hour and a half early And which? Femous football Scottish footballing figure was stood behind him in the queue Give us a clue. come on We speak about this person's family quite a lot in the podcast Finally Oh, Mcgins. M get a Pem again or Steven Mcgin. It was not any of the Mcgins, none of the Mcgins. Fem it a bit and me speak about them. Billy Gilmore's n Nope. No you only see him. he's four fucking you put him on your shoulder. So I'll tell you the now right? We mention this person Almost every week on the podcast, almost every week And he an ex player? yeah, it was a play ye U no gun. No. I will tell you, right. So I bumped into this man and I was speaking to him and I also bumped into Keith Lesley. this Yeah, I' se for' E Keith former motherw player. So I was talking to Keith as well, but this person in particular, we were standing and there was a bit of a there was a bit of a crush like on the way in and It was all about our shambles and I looked around and this guy was looking at me and I was like, Oh, it' and then and we said please tell me And that shows show Is's Dick Campbell No way. It's a deck camoy. It's a deck cat. Unfortunately The deck wasn't that There' a pink Inquuiso Inquuiso. Able. That's ob I What was a takeick It was like I was like, whereere's Dick? Is Dick out? And he was like, no Dick's no out. So M' love the Dick. M C' love the Dick seeee at that point in time when we were cle in, I was like, God, Dick would improve things so much at this point. you know that that would have lifted my spirits. Oh Dick would have probably lifted you. You know what I mean? Yeah, or hundred percent there's nothing like it. I mean, we would have got through the queue a lot quicker he would have obviously just like gone straight through everyone and plowed through That would' have been rightn't that It would have been right on itd found a guy and went straight in and go straight. But it was very funny like I just turned around and I was like, Ohank. Z in There we go, there we go. always well. he got in, he was there with his family. So yeah, bet not dick, unfortunately. There was no dick to be seen so far. So there we are. So John, I don't have the plan for the podcast in front of me because my laptop is upstairs and I can't be ask going and getting it. So what was coming up in the podcast, John, J you? Right I'll just go through some correspondence from last week first and foremost, right? So Couer you were talking about dining and dashing and stealing takeaways d last week, weren't you? Yeah. Yeah yeah Coucher' got in touch on YouTube comments and me and my ex went to Rome and sat outside a nice restaurant We ordder starters and I mean, a give a few drinks came time to pay as his customer asked for the bill, notot once, not twice, but thice. After the third time of asking and waiting in excess of fifty minutes to get the bill, I said to my ex that I wasn't waiting any longer and we got up and nonchally walked out fully expected ta in the shore forward by a demand for payment. As we rounded the corner out of ey of line of the restaurant, I whispered to my ex, Run We ran away laughing like criminal masterminds, belly full of and w but still bursting with cash. When I clos my eyes and think about it, I could still taste the victory. Right It's no about to happen if that was me it's told that story The cynics out there with the said A Del, you're a miserable sone, so why did you not G up to where the bar is and say, look, I've asked for my bill three times. Could I please get my bill to payid? But let me just say And I don't care what people think of me. I'd have done the exact same. I'd done me fucking well I there she would have know we were comp it were we? We were in New York the other day and went somewhere for breakfast and it was one of these ones where you sort of gave your order and then they called out your name. And my dad was like, it's ashamed that Gordon D L isn't heal obiously. He would just go up and he would just go up and take whatever and change his name old callment from last week's show Dad' been in touch says, Daz, mate, your condition is known as Siger's hip My neighbour has it. She's sixty four. I know I live next door you. By the way, you're talking you're talking about your dad right? I swear we were John, what would you name me? was it the yard? something the yardyard in yard. And I've got to say the boy in there absolutely different class he was. re A read Ain, thank you very much, youber notch, but there was a table of about six just sitting quite near us And I could tear them and they were sort of loud then at the breraak The young girl she's obviously really enjoying herself as everybody was at the time and she turns around and she went Are you the guy? Are you the guy? And she's pointing at me and I'm thinking of what's happened to her, right? She went, You are, you're a guy. I said's a guy what? She went, You're a guy that throws a fucking towels at, don't you And she went A go Azd as well. We were having the discussion what Azda we went to she went to goovn and now went to Motherwool Gin's quite a good aza may have beenza. There's no many Azdas. I've no vicity.s it's a good good good azda W. Jo talk about things have happened in Scottish football before we talk about Scotland Well, you're going gonna have to tell me because I thought you' be bit out of the loop, but I believe that Dereick McKinnis is about to become the Rangers manager. Yes, apparently so. And Danny Rosese off the Salisbg Yeah, who's that? You've just nodded to somebody go out their bed there to make a coffee That's exactly what's happening. Yeah' on. I'm on you. who has? Is it your own one? No, no, no, it's Kenny. My Mate Kirk has Kirk on the podcast. Where is he So sor right, you can make a coffee. That's fine. You can make a coffee. Did they ask you if you wanted one? Misabable so and so? No, I don't drink coffee. so you don't make. the song fucking. I'd rather have Gi here side look. You can't can't he be a guy that doesn't drink coffee mate. Come on Sious she ds that coffee you've got a problem. You've got a problem. you know, you go and see something and come back here. don I don't think so, Gin because like you're at the opposite end of the sc because you're I about twelve coffees a day. So yeah, ye, Yon What are you on so far? Well, I was at the gym today, so that's sort of slowed me down Uh probablyably probably four R about four five four. Right. Okaykay. so it's not even middayet and you put four coffees? Yeah, and the minute I leave here, in fact, there's my last one. The minute I leave here, I'll be taking one in the car on the way home I will. look. Every's good. I I you know so I'm a sainy producer John there I might look at if flights and fly over at Miami and catch up agion or not 'm getting you're getting jealous meate. I'm getting jealous By the way, like I think Miami will be Miami will be mental. Like did you see the Brazilian fans in Times Square before the game? No New York. No. Oh, like they they like took over like Times Square and all the rest of that and you know, we're just having a massive party and again like Did you know that we have this thing Weve a couple of places and The people like the Americans here don't even know the World Cups Od. Seriously Yeah because there't of that there't of the baseball and fucking American football and all that car on tellell me, you're not being one of these noob ends that's walking about going, Oh, we're here for the soccer Mie, please tell me you're not saying that I would I just showed you, meate, you've got it written all over your face Yeah He fucking he's running I Yeahah, we're over for the shocker man. You know what I mean? We love the shocker. You have got that written all over you you're guilty N, absolutely not, absolutely not. But no we went and we had to ask I can't remember what the game was the other night and the bar that's just along for us. Oh, you'd love this bar actually. It's called haavern in the square. M or tets you sortly break it down. so it's your kindy bar garden. It's your kindy bar I can imagine have you take pl of money to tip? We have the off course, yeah. and we've been we've been at ts every night. L we've been been it's been ts every day, reallyally honestly it's been fantastic. Maybe I' very on fine dick Possibly possibly. I feel like I cut you off in your prime there, John because you were about to tell us what's been happening in Scottish for. S. Well, obviously Marvn Bartley, Kim Stas manager as well this week our friend Morbin Yeah stares me There you go so you see what a job he is. Mart O'Neill becomome the Celtic manager this week as well, but Sean Maloney and Mark Foreingham. Portly offered peacuts. Oh really? Is that what was You knowt h that, Stepven though No, no, no, so tell us. Look at the state of that guy in the back. G him off the fucking screen. Jesus.ell browin Get gamo gamo. Get this human touch That's going to be your worst nightmare. Please watch the YouTube version of the podcast to see that just like Kk. Oh God God That's Kirkad That' Ky. I love Kanny had been sitting there at Disney's boxers They've been fucking out the lightight U That's brilliant bs comeome on we're back to Scottish footb. been back to Scottish football so I show my wor in Mark F I apparently been offered at Celtic to be the R Mart when he was backroom staff, but were offered pay cuts Stehven They don't make things easy for themselves, do they? They really don't. Like well, I mean But why why they try to scrimp and save over stuff like that Stephen here's is a big one for me, right You're right. They don't make things easy for ourself and obviously this that gap with between the board and the fans that gets wider and wider, right? Shly Knowing a person with the strength that Martin Hle's got Mananiel must chap that door and say, listen guys, I've signed a new contract here. This is my backroom stauff. We We delivered a double So I'm not asking you to pay them a fortune Certainly, I'm not telling you, I'm telling you you're not going to cut the wages That is not only. So there must be a reason behind that for me, Stephven. But I think Mart N Neail' in such a strong position If he really wants to keep that stuff, He forces that over a line. no doubt Oh, one hundred percent, one hundred percent. I mean I'm not, I'm not surprised that it ended up being Martin on the op pit like Call them a try and scrimp and save and no paid them what they were getting paid I don't understand what you think? the reason behind that is good? I'm going to be sort of a conic here and think that maybe The force in the hand of one of them Right to open the door for someone else coming in But again, like why to what end? What they try to do I don't know because it doesn't make sense to me, right? Now it's not like no disrespect, Sean Maloney and Matt Formers are going to burst you the bank where the wages they're on. and Celtic can afford that. So why would Jews abore Sy Martinine Nle Wright? We're getting Mark's probably getting more money Wny, you know, he's in a great position. He's a double winner and look at the way the Celtic fans love him. So he's probably and a great strength there. he got a very, very good contract So why not just even say the worst lookook, I'll tell you what boys, you're boring the same money. The bonuses are got to b up by blah, blah, blah. fine. Everybody, I think everybody's happy. move on, you bill for a new season. Why cause yourself problems by saying a, the two boys We maybe have to take half wee each car. It's ridiculous. So why would they do it Is it to force a hand of one of them and maybe T say look, we can replac you with some ds. and you know the person I'm talking about it. Well, he's at a job and he's an exX manager and Duff with not And he was a captain. He was a captain the shelter for a long time Right, okay. would with the back case he tried to get Someday lagh figure a headad and as well I mean, possibly, possibly. I could be wrong, I could be wrong here, but I just it doesn't make sense, Stephven, it doesn't make sense, Mate So Stehven's bggered off and went outside now. so let's flash to Stephven who now looks really hung overver. is he sitting outside theoying a day. ye The lightning is slightly more harsh, I would say out here. I'm in the back garden this moment in time. so yeah So you were just talking about bit Mar Neil and Celtic and stuff there, but also it looks like Rangers are going to have a new manager and it's Dere at McKinis. Tell me something. how if you're a hearts fan How are you feeling right? Rangers have come in kidnapped your best striker And now go your manager. You're feeling really down I see I think this. isn't a bad move for everyone involved. I think Rangers are obviously getting a really decent manager and Den McKinness.'s obviously's done a really good job Harts over the last year. But I think hearts their long term plan was not Dere McGinnas. L like if you look at how Tony Bloom runs all these other teams particularly Brighton. Remember when they got up to the Premier League Briton and they had Chris Huton he was their manager And he kept them up for a couple of seasons and then he got sacked and everyone was going absolutely mental and going Oh that's a disgrace getting rid of Christiane and what job wass done bl. But then they brought in somebody else and it took them to the next level. And I think Hartsw were always going to do that with Dredid McKinnness anyway. I think L I actually think it's a good move for Den Mcinis because he's going to be Rangers, obviously, you know, Ranger supporter and and we turned them down back in twenty seventeen or whenateever it was And so for for it to come around again and he was never going to turn it down or don't think. So I think it's a good move for Rangers, it's a good move for Dereren Mcen and I think Harts will be non plussed about it to be perf on this wee because they already know yeah, I think they'll already know who the next manager is That's how these that's how that's how Tony Bloom runs all these teams And I think they'll have already like line s someedbody up, they already know who they want to be the next manager and I don't think they'll be bothered to be perfectly honest with, I don't think they' be bothered That's interesting. I know what you're saying about Brighton, but I think Brighton and Hearts would be especially in the league to them competing are completely different. you look at managers down in England getting teams from the championship up at Premier League great and a lot of chairman, then deciding boards decide to change it because that's her level You know, they they're no go to kick the team on from the Premier League. They're a championship manager Whereas I think it's different here and especially after The season hearts have come off Yeah no, listen, listen, I know you're saying, I know what you're saying and I don't I don't necessarily disagree, but I think that I think House will be They'll be like, rightight, that's's happening. Let's get on that sort of thing. I think they'll be pretty because again I've spoken about this before. I think that Ded at Mcinnis was brought in to get Harps up competing at the right end of the table and he's overachieved obviously in the last year like you know, they could have won the league and I think that was way ahead of expectations Like I think initially they were just wanting hearts to be finishing third Right And they have totally surpassed the expectations has nearly won the league and I think they would have got rid of Dere Mcinnis anyway in a year or two reggardless of what happens. Banchester. But What we would say is right now I find my hearts fine looking forward to the new season Yeah, as much as youve got to put a bit of trust in the decision makers Big rival, obviously, Rangers Yeah. come in and nabed your your manager and nabed your best center for Basically, I school squore Absolutely. So I mean, I'm righting thinking that like none of this has been confirmed yet, becausecause Dann Rodes obious the way at Salxburg. byy the way R Rangers will be laughing They'll be laughing all the way to the bank. if Salxburg will come in and presumably have to pay S sum of compensation for Danny Roe I think from a Ranger's point of view, it's worked out perfectly. they've got rid of a manager who had those things fair good anyway and they've replaced them with Dere and McKinnness who will I think do a better job than Danny Roll, to be honest with you. Yeah. I can't disagree with you. I was never a fan of the manager at Cand Dani Row. I'm I think the only reason that they didn't get rid of them is because if you're a new owner and you come in this summer, You make your first decision in Russell Martin and make a complete mess of it. And then you have to sack another manager At the end of the season because he made a complete mess of it at the split and let's not be kidded here because he was in a great position and he had a good transfer window and spent a cut of quid So I think that was only reason that the owners decided, o, hold on a minute here. We don't want to be looking like we're making bad decision after bad decision. So I think they've been handed the golden ticket. when he's decided now that he's going and you're right. And on top of that, compensation, G a manager in that I think that ninety percent of the Rangers fans will be delighted with. So it's worked out well for Absolutely. Anything else happen in Johny have you missed anything? No I'm just really intrigued that you're obviously outside now. you're at Airbnb, what are the neighbourors thinking of this chat about Danny Roll Yeah, again, I don't think they'll have any idea about what's happening. When we were having our barbecue yesterday, the next door neighbors were having a graduation party. Wow and it looked a lot more time night were a barbecue to be honest with you. Did you not get yourbody over Beuse like you see all these Scotland fans are, you know making friends with the Americans. They're not having you over then. We would have been slightly weird going to a graduation party, John. I think it would have been an odd look for us. So S, before you have your next barbecue will you need to chat at the door and say,, are you doing a washing today and you hang out? I hope you did that. by the way, Steen, there's nothing more annoying My neighbors did that the other day they had a barbecue and they had a washhing I was absolutely raging that they didn't declare beforehand. So that means all your bed sheets just smelt like, you know, s shey. ye. You've been stoping all Absolutely. Have you got pill? Tell me, tellell me you got pill. Come on I don't have pool. I've got a pool at the place in Miami And so Gordon, you're more than welcome. You bring your speedos and you can come along. Have you guys spared for sure? Well, can it be there? Kenny will be there. you and Denny you and Kenny can do we share nise diving if you want can spoon. Absolutely. can you can both have your trunks on and you can and you can dive in the pool and you can splash about and have fun with Kenny if you want. And we barbecue him. And and there's a big barbecue at the place in Miami. I'm com from Miami. very good. I see E excellent. A you're more than welcome. You' more welcome Right, let's get ont to the actual Scotland game then. Scotland first game at World Cups since nineteen ninety eight And On our fifth ever our victory at a World Cup. Now in terms of the performance It wasn't great and however, I I think Haiti M be one of the worst teams ever to play at our World Cup. I thought they were O ten and I was never really Obviously I was at the game at the stadium. and I was never under any sort of stress that they were when he score because I genuinely thought that They were so bad. They were so, so bad And Scotland obviously didn't play well, but didn't need to play well because Hiti was so bad And we got the victory. Yeah, it would be nice to get a couple more goals just to you know, get the gold difference up and increase the chances of actually definitely going through But in terms of getting three points. there was a lot of pressure on Scotland Gordon, I thought going into the game And got the job done? Yeah I'm surprised de. I know what you're saying about Haiti. I don't fancy them at all, but I was a bit concerned when the boat came in the box and the lad went up to head her it. I think you should burst the back in it. So I was a bit concerned with that. I was a set Yes but they had no quality, Gordon. No no quality. I agree with that. Stehen, I get back to you one thing I said on the program in early Sunday morning. let me just say L, I think I was trying to be big greedy. I was hoping for another one. I think another goal would have probably cemented us going through the group stages And I go back to the I keep saying it, I would go back to the seventy four World Cup when we played Zi year in the first game and we' Banging on favorites to go and win that comfortably. And we were wning two now at halftime. And we've eventually won the game too now And then Yugoslavia if you remember beat them nine now When the when the Zayir manager who was Yugoslavian brought on a five foot for goalkeeper at halfime who couldn't even touch a bar could beat nine n and Brazil beat Z year three n the final game So we went to a World Cup, we didn't lose a game. and we get sent home. Let those memories come floating back to me thinking You know, just give us another one. anotherother one would the probably really cemented us because I looked at the game Friire t the Morocco and Brazile game And I've got to say Morocco Early thoughts, Luke. Very good indeed, don't they? Theyll look good They hand. handy. Oh yeah. Brazil to me are a team that they're like. As much as I would say, okay, you can forget about Germany there last night because the cruise by that. but the big teams to me sort of a bed into these tournaments. You know, you look at them the first couple of the games sometimes and you think Well, they're not that great. but once you get to the quarter finals, semifinals or whatever then you start to see the real team. but I thought Morocco looked Oh They were in the front foot, looked everything about them, speed, everything powerful Just well organized That's got to be a massive game in Friday for us Yeah, absolutely. It's going to be a really tough game. I mean Morocco are obviously African champions kind of and obviously got to the semifinals in Qatar as well. So we know they're a decent team. However This is the thing there was such a clamor for Shanklin to start that game and play too up front. Worar War II didn't work It didn't work, I don't think. on Saturday night there. I just don't think it got the best out McGin. I didn't get the best out M Oini and I think we'll go back to you knows. Stard Steve Clark sort of and say We'll go for sidize one. And I think that actually might suit us a lot better because like I think the bigger players or the so called bigger players on Saturday Night didn't really do much. I don't I know McGin got like man of the match, but I mean, Louis Ferguson was man of the match by a mile for me. And M Tomy wasn't involved in the game I think there was such a clamor to start Shankland, but I don't think he didn't do much on Saturday Night did he? No, listen, I'm not just think you' always servous. first and foremost, yes, right? L Steven see the end day day, Steve Clart couldn't really win with that one because CV doesn't start changling and he doesn't go too up top And we stink the place with one nil Steaveve Clark will come in for criticism. There's no doubt about that. I do agree with you. and I'll tell you what surprises me here, obviously, you don't see what's going on over in Scotland People are absolutely keen and Louis Ferguson for his performance. and I agree with you, I thought Lewis Ferguson was outstanding And I'm thinking, wit these people looking at to that. I think we had to go the formation we went against Haiti. Of that, there's no doubt I'm What listen It never worked. but that doesn't mean he say that you don't do it again because it could certainly work again because as I say, the service, whatever Gooking back to Brazil and Morocco, they're two different games because these are two teams that are going to come at you They're no going to sit in there and try and hit you in the countertie, especially Moroccco and Friday night. They'll be in the front foot. They're coming after Scotland off that there's no doubt Brazil, I'll be the exact same because I'll bo them expansive football I do believe they might go back to the back three with the two wing backs, play one off the center forward. but that's why he's chosen that squad because it's given him so many options As much as what area Great one null. Oh the four forty two didn't really work I thought it was at eighteen hundred percent, so I'm not going to sit here and have a go at Steve Clark, but I do think like you he will change it going forward Yeah, and I think actually, you know Hy comes in for a lot of stick. I didn't have a lot to do the other night, thatll Hly be solid U and I thought I thought Henry was solid as well. D didnn't get much out the fullbacks, I don't think But yeah, I think I wouldn't surprise me if he plays three at the back or goes four five one Im Do you think we are capable of getting a point of these two matches. On evidence of what I've seen I would say that it's got to be a very, very hard job for us But was Solland Den we you know, when wegin underdogs, when we begin thinking we're got to get You know, huped, we seem a produce our result from somewhere. We're capable of that pecially on the night because we have get very, very good players. Let's not be kidded. I would I said this I said that a boxing gig a couple of weeks ago. A fellow pundit whose absolutely great acknledgey game, Jim Duffy was there and he short of looked at me like I had too many beers at the time. when I said that I fancied maybe out the two games I would rather get something against Brazil. I thought Brazil early doors I've never seen them give Look, they've got good players and paper, right? They've got a fantastic topop top managers, no doubt of that. and they will get better. They gave the ball away, they were open and I just look at this Brazilian team and think If we're going to get the point I think it would be against him Yeah, I think we've probably got a better chance against something against Brazil as well. going on the evidence of what's saw the other night, I thought Morocco looked Very, very good. Like I think they'll go pretty deep into the tournament to be honest with you. So So yeah, in terms of changes, Christy back in probably, you would imagine? Yeah, yeah. I think he would be a big one, especially energy and everything. Do you know the fact that we're going to play Moroco would go out to play Brazil. I think I'd beg misss Billy Gilmore to be bonest with you I think we need somebody just in the middleay apart because you witnessed it there night there, the heat, everything, humidity, everything there We need people that have got to take the ball and be able to pass a ball and keep possession of the ball, especially against these teams that are got to be right at us and the pace of the game will be up and everything. So I think Billy Gilmore L he's not available, but I do believe Christie will play a big partner And see like I actually thought that I thought this call subs right the other night as well. we were saying like We could be doing the dies on just to hold up the ball or we be better It get a reb he gives a rebat an outball. I was like we could be doing Mc Kenny McClean just to getst as you werere saying, thecenny McLlean is obviously nowhere near as good as Billy Gilmore, but he's similar in the fact that he puts his foot on the ball and you know, keeps the bottle really well. and I thought that Brid McLean came on. we sort of saw out the game pretty well. So yeah, anyway. all good did the show go all right in terms in terms of the venue that you're at all venue if you like. Venue is brilliant,. Absolutely brilliant. I've got to say we were well looked after U, you know, the Fans were in great spirits and I mean spirits. U but the atmosphere over here has been absolutely electric and really so because look, The amount people you talk to and this is where age comes into it I've been through World Cups, I've seen World Cups, I've watched Scotland and whose phone is that I think that might be coming through the zoom I think be o. I was about panicking it was me. But I've seen all these World Cups I go back to the seventy four one, I go back to the after gemo goals or you get back to all that. The mount people you know meet Sing This is your first time I've ever seen Scotland a World Cup And for them to say that is incredible because it's been that long. And the people in that venue, the manyount of the young ones that are coming up and going, it's, you know, it' so exciting because we know what the euros are, right? We went to the Eururos. We've been to euros twice. Nothing, nothing growown up as a kid. excited you more than the World Cup. Stephen, I'm just going to throw off center here a little bit and ask you a question because I've been really happy with this We made a lot of changes in the rules, right One I think the referees have been decent, right? I like the rule changes I really do. I think it's added a wee bit to the World Cup. I was a bit frightened. It was going to be boring slow. peopleople were just wasting time, everything A in the same mindset or anything you don't like you know what? L I thought I thought the referee was a wee bit fussy on Saturday night. like there was always soft vows that he gave, but that's sometimes to be expected, but overall, like there's been no problems with it life whatsoever. I didn't see when it's been the throw ins and like You know, you look at Asenal in the Champions League final when they were takaking, you know, two minutes to take a set piece and stuff like that. like I think they probably needed to do something and actually it's worked out pretty well. So again, I can't complain at all. I think the referees from all the games that I've seen have been pretty decent to be perfectly honest with you. So yeah, just just on the like, you know, all the sort of youngsters and all that like there were so many kids and families and sat aroundound about us and stuff like that on Saturday night and yeah, like I mean I just kept saying all day to my mates, I was like, we're about to see Scotland play at a World Cup. That's mental. And then after I was like, we've just seen Scotland win a World Cup whichich as we've now sort of been speaking about, is only the fifth time in history of Scotland the World Cups haveventually won a game. so to see that is yeah, it was it was priced by an atmosphere like after the game. Yeah, there was problems with the performance but honestly, like that didn't affect anything afterwards like the atmosphere and the bars around the stadium and all the n st was absolutely amazing And yeah, that'll live with me for a long time. that I thought was I thought it was really, really special and really good. And if we can pick up a point in the next two matches, then then who knows what will happen? So there we are, Scotland taking on Morocco on Friday and then obviously down in Miami for the final group game against Brazil and that's where Gndill I'll fly out and meet myself and Kenny and we can all go in the pool and have a great time there. So Yeah splashing in the pool with Kenny and Miami doesn't think any bad does It's light life's good, life's good, you know. As the sun comes out it's beginning to bnd my face in the fe. You're moving back inside. I cannot tell you how roast it is. Like it' so hot, like it's so humid Like it' honestly hass been boiling I'm It's like the other day they like you can't even walk anywhere because it's so swelling so the heat is absolutely hyper and I'm sure it'll be worse in Miami as well. Right, John, what we coming next? Well we've got VRWTF On one bo. Oh I know the one. Yeah ye yeah yeah only one I was just going I was just going to say take the lead here, John, what we got? Egrant Hanley handball Das thoughts U no, no, I thought I thought you were looking down another road here. Well what are you thinking? I'm thinking of the game the other night with Oside They apparently kick Cking. Switzerland in Qatar. I just going do Scotland VRWTF on take it away we could do World Cup theW. Listen, I'm not a lead Dson fan, right? I think he's lead Dixson would be great at nighttime. See they started talking, you'd be fucking snoring within five minutes, right? He brings nothing he me. Can he excite me, honestly, frightening I thought he was one hundred percent right. He's looking think heself My eye' telling me that Joff S For some reason they wouldn't put up the lines. And eventually I think they come out and explained oh it was such a millimed It looked offide all day long for me. U and obviously Switzerland end up was it Switzerland done itQitar? We got p. one one penalty kick and I thought that was the big talking point. that's the one I thought you were going to come up with. The Handley one, I can't even remember much of the Handley one Stehven, you? No, I didn't clock with me at the time. Obviously I've not seen the full game by. going mental about it. Oh have a we sort of a I never watched a game in Lt and went oh we were lucky there. Hanley I try to think back to it bounceces onto his hands. I mean I didn't think I didn't see it at all, but apparently Hiti had gone mental a bit. Well, that's not a surprise, is it? It's our position. There was liter of Haiti fans around us and they were getting so excited over nothing. like all the time. like everyvery time they got the ball they were like on their feet and just like going off the rockers And I was just like, or use up patch Like they are like I just thought they were a terrible footb te. Did they go D they go to you are user pushed two but us are one in one now I don't know. they they were speaking in French mostly. so to be fair, a few of them came up and like shook her hands at the end like as if we had anything to do with the performance or the win But yeah know, I don't The Graant Hanley thing has not reached my brain to be. Remember it's Jumer Pel Steve Hne? ll, Stehven? You you beat at Dun Fermwin on of course? Yeahes, I've only get one line mate, That's it I K Kenny'll be sting to not fuck in Miami.. I you in Keny'll be you can get practicice in your French and you can h the ballars in Miami. I mean, to be fair, it's probably Spanish in Miami that you probably need Oh I' Spanish h Oh thereide What what sh go to Spanish please? I'll get back toing that one Okay, I'm try get my b my base one, Missponish. Grashas Grassy Grassyse, which I'd be hoping to have in Miami Be more like a sandy arse in my eye a sandy like a Sandy ars. Sandy Right, okay, that's our referee decisions al with and Fon. I'm guessing we'll be doing whood de's wins. Yeah, we'll do whood deare's ws. boy, D, you need to go, don't you Go there. Id say you need to be done my quarter to one N mreadyry. I've got the physio in a nerse from me. He's having problems with his hip, Stephen Yeah I know' Shager's h. Shager's h. Hard next door at sixty four is fucking gillam. So I whoers wins right the usual quiz scores currently twenty one eighteen to Dz and the quiz this week is we're playing nineteen teams at the Worlds Cup How many can you name Scottland played nineteen teams at the World Cup how many of those you know Steven. Steven Stehven is the World Cup expert. I know but in Boston. But remember I'm a lot older than I this is true. And I've seen a lot of World Cups. Yeah I think I belie Spike him here at this. Steven you go f tenen S o Ten He's looking as rough as a budd J us. I don't think he can say five. I'll go eleven Algor twelve Take a deep breath, Aasan byy the way, kind of can't it help you No, no, Kenny's Kenny's sating there, he's eating his cereal? What cereal is you ha? Is he trying like Lucky chararms and all that sort of stuff? K? brow he' in Gt on you. He's brow his in show over to Kenny. what cereal are you having Kenny? Chapter one we're to go back in. Oh Right. Listen, what are we on here John whats is score house You going for thirteen? I I'll go thirteen. St, I'll go fourteen now There's only nineteen here boys What's the score in the game? Well, you are winning twenty one eighteen. If got fifteen, there he go. stick that in your pipe They kill sixteen Oh There's no chance No chance No chance he's got sixteen in them I know all of the World Cups and who Sotland played ' I've come up in I'll go seventeen now. If you go eighteen go. Go for it seventeen. Seventeen. You bass, didid you have sixteen Theop fuck. No. Right All right, okay, let's get through them. The easy ones Brazil? Correct. Right. Haiti? Haiti ye, of course. Right. Zi here. Yeahep. U Yugoslavia? Yeah Wish, J me Yes The Netherlands Yeah U Oh Norway? Yes Ark, remember Alan Ruff. Iran? Iran? Yeah, That's the tough one. Put notn no. Peru. Peru Yes. Of course, Peru. Austria What World Cup was that? I can't remember, but I know they playedsa in the World Cup. Right Okay, that' ten you've got. Oh four. seeventy you get. Did I say the Netherlands, yeah? Yes, she said the Netlands. Right o. Oh, Costa Rica. Costa Rica, yeah. May. Oh, Sweden Also nineteen ninety. Manyny's arms shut myself twelve M. Five more to get. Five more. Five. Did I say France? No, you didn't say France. That is a correct answer. Where are you pulling this food by the way 'ause I know all the World Cups I grew up watching World Cups, John. World Cu Do you know what I'm terrible at dates, right? But I know teens because I remember some games. I'm sure Denmark's in there as well Denmark Yep Are you help me here, Stepven? No, would you Have you got a few up your sleeve, Stephven? Oh that's a true ent. I tell you, u I've got three actually. Have you? see if you see if you' got three that would well, that would take you to the seventeeen And Paraguay Pagaguay Youind W World Cup? No, but I remember Scotland playing Paragway. one hundred percent. That's correct, Answer. I told youa I'm no good at dates meate. When did we play Paragway let's have a look. Just got the list here. I didn't know that. I'vet even check this, John. I've got the list It gets from John, you said I was right. you are right where it's Parag I be Scotland World Cup. It was Oh it was years and years and years ago, manate. Before you were born. fifty eight. There you go when Paraguay won it But no, Uruguay was the first team we weday No, sorry, Uruguay was that was the same one as Yugoslavia. Becauseuse I was looking at all the teams that have won all the way up. Just in case it was who' the first team won the World Cup, Uruguay I Comeone has two more? I'm struggling There's one that is obvious that you haven't mentioned yet John, sorry, be quiet. Sorry. There's one of I it in a minute Hash Solland played you to G away Did I get my mixed up there? I was Paraguay? I'm maybe thinking Uruguay, but don't hold me there they now Is that all this one? Always laughing Uruguay. Uruguay Wait them! Wait them twice. Pes How many should have got nine ninet eighty six and remember the guy got sent off after for like a minute. Yeah. So which sh are other ones in Stephven H, you've got one more again. You've got one more again. I've got two more up my sleeve. I know, I'm so good met Are they European I move. I'm not telling you But Scotland' played Spain in the World Cup, I don't think they have There's No no place to be in hver. shake your head, Stephen U Wh's Kenny when I fucking need them U I say Sweden dinner Yeah, f sweden U Right? I'm just going to go away I don't know, so. I'm just going to take a guess that we're recording this on Saturday and I'll go Morocco Morocco. Yeahah, just fuck I have so many team I could think he could be playing. Yeah! How didot Norway were in nineteen ninety eight. I cann't remember the timames. You got to Norway and then you couldn't get. Oh, Norway was easy. didid you see Brazil? Yeah, you did say Brazil. you Oh there's two missing. Come on, Stephen A USSR or Russia? Yeah, yeah, yeah. if I go about too You mentioned the before and And it A That you said areah, didn't you Yeah. yeah. was was one There was one more that we played. and I'll tell you the World Cup just now. I think it was I think it was se eight but I have no eighty two, eighty two, a team from eighty two. I've never played Argentina got it but it's New Zealand. I would never to got that New Zealand Yeah ye. neverever I got Do we not beat them five two or something here like Yeah sure. there you go slash. I've got honest for you. You fled that Ive flicked the Morocco one Because I had no idea and I just thought Okay, My master have played game before. Well done. Yeah. get it. Right What we going next? Right next it is question time for Gordon DL. And question this week is you could answer this well as well, maybe Steven. Ru a deemon asks Two poers you've admired growing up, two poers you loved playing alongside and two poers you hated playing against Gordon DL Tw players admired growing up. Yeah Um Get Milla. G miller Remember to get mill on M But a goal scorer. U Johan Croife, Croife, player Because it was obviously the Croiff turn became the most famous turn. You managed to do that yourself in your own ke? I didn't have that myaler me. Just run past them knock it and run past them. I was just sort of ag greedy in the boats waiting for a deflection or something. But comeome on in Ste, whichers But who players that lik watching? I like I loved Jraon O'dino. I thought it was amazing. And Yeah I don't know, like, I'll pack on some falm plater That son's getting to him. Not like N There you go. Cig's b. A goodood player, Cigy was. right What's the next one? Two players you loved playing alongside D. David Cooper, old dayong. Yeah. O dayong. U And got I've got to go one left field here, right. He never got the recognition, but he's in a wholly Fite Rangers. He was one of the most gifted footballers I've ever ever seen. Bobby Russell. Bobby Russell? Yeah. Do you remember him, Joe? No, I was before much. Do you remember Bobby Russell? B my time B my time? There you go. Yeah, Bobby Russell I've got to say was sensational. So players you hated playing against us Who had them? Wh had you in our pocket Who had me I've just got to name the two of them for the same team M Mellon. A lot of McClee. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. ye. I played against them cup finals, everything, T aow in They were sensational There no Why were they so good though? Because everyone says Miller and McCleashe, but why were they so good? Be they knew they each other their friends down at te. They were just brilliant. Look I could put I hated playing against Big Roy Aiken when I played Rangers and I played against Celtic, but I just thought McCleish and Miller as a partnership were Sensationational they were just, they just knew exactly where it didn't matter. No other way when you played as a center forward old days. You would go and look at the two center halves And you would play you would try and put yourself next to the one that was the weakest was most shightest When you hadit my creash in malar you're thinkking fuck' rather play in a wing the burgon out there. So Mcleash and my' sensational. Allright, there you go then Well, there's your question answered if you want to get Oh, hold on Oh done. I'm got to throw Oh right Steven I get Stehven N says this is good today. Yeah. I played against Alan Hanson. And Alan Hansen was one of best centers half and they just won the European cup. So Right. I'm going to I'm going to throw I'm got to throw my cliche out and I've got to put Hansen and Meller. Okay. Stehen, who are the two players you hated coming up against H a tip whereers you like do sight And not like into like Henry Luston scored more goals against him f one than any other sccot. No I'm talking just in your football career yourself, you know, Kenny that backyard. Kenny Uh I never I never I played with Kenny son but I played I played West Ham Did you play football, Stehen Seers Yeah. Siously I love that. Seriously, the Jep boy footballre having a laugh at You look like a guy that's never owned a perairry football boots in their life. Let me just say that, right? You look like the boy, you look like the re boy that had the ball. Right? But But you never go on. I think I've known you I was no bad. I got great job. I played for the county. Come on, Stephven, you know did you play for the county I' bet for five obviously. There you go J Jot donon't let him tell us but let's guess by looking at him What posessition did Stepven M play in a football park? rightight? He's never a goalkeeper like 'ause he's weind dumpy He's never a sard half. He's no a clichard mer. He doesn't look like a speedy winger I'm going to see he's either a full back ' never a ten. He's never a ten's no getability. He's never a center forward. I'm going sitting midfield player on a field back. there you go I think central midfield, Stephven, I can see I'm doing quite well in central midfield Okay, well, if you want to leave your answers, your guesses in the comments, we get next the podcast. Okay' next week?' brilliant for a tease. What a tease. That'saz And he playays for the county as well obviously, but I would did a questiz? Yes, let's do it. Have you got a paper that over here? A J p me, I'll write it in here. That's fine. can because you're in two different places. this guy needs his bed, come on. Yeah. no por, Stephven. No, I'm talking about me. All right, sorry. Right? Okay, the shootout quiz here, we go gents. You've got two top bins if you want to use them I've got your questions here. And thanks very much to the producer Jay who was on last week. He was actually going to do the podcast this week and then to say he was too tired to do it. So he has given me some questions He was too tired. Well weren't we didn't know if you were going to do it or not Ste or if you going to make it he was kind of on standby. so he'sight. So he's written some questions for us. So if they're wrong, you can blame Jay, but Jay's very good. Okay surely won't be. Right? Okaykay, let's go then. Question number one Who won the twenty fourteen World Cup? Who won the twenty fourteen World Cup? Oh no, I know who won the twenty eighteen World Cup topop went does you can write something Youve got a pen paper you write down I' wrot mine down, Stehen, just you shout your it. Right, o, right, fine. right.ll just stop it, right. It does shows you better piner. No Stehven's good to say first then I'll show my paper. Now because you can't see your paper? No no, we'll need to do it that way R, John. Okay, right, okay, then Stephven, what you go Lanwer is Germany. Lanswer' Germany. Yeah. Germany. Germany. R see your paper hold that up. R to here it John for a fuck' sake. Can you say Germany right? Okay, right, okay, that's fine. Right, fine You could just be writing down anything by the. Right question number two Wh sang the official song for France ninety eight titled The Cup of Life. I know. Wh sign the official song for France ninet eight titled The Cut of Life. I'm Gary Stven I'll even go first stight Right because I have no clue mate. Delmetri Ampin Deellemetri, right couple my right okay, that is completely wrong there. I can imagine. sa. And right, Stephven. plantans Cyind on Guys Yes It's actually a Ricky Martin song known in Spanish as laa Copa dea. Apparently. Hey, Stephven, I need to tell you right As is how strange is as we're doing the podcast, Marshall has saved I'm sitting in the gym today And a guy shouts out, How you doing D? And he comes in and he's standing talking to me for about ten minutes, right And I'm looking at themm thinking They fuckers up Right? Who's Anoham Anoh's face. He's famous David Marshall. Was it d much on my life? And it wasn't until I didn't recognize him at the beginning, No, I'm terrible, you By the way, I'm world famous for this. I f I don't even recognize half my family, right? You should see my daughter's face sometimes when I go, who you, right? And I'm looking I'm thinking, I know him. I know him. How do I know him And as I walked away I went, I'll Google that. So I Googled David Marshll and I went, o, that is him. It was his nket Marsell saved Prick. He was in the same gym as me, right? Next one. Right, nextext question. hereere we go. Which stadium hosted the nineteen ninety World Cup final, which stadium hosted The nineteen ninety World Cup Vinyl I'm terrible of me chons usually quite good at this task? No, to no World Cups in Scotland. I right in the old twoiers wins there? I know, but that's only because I watched the games, John and I remember Mist of the But I'm no good at dates and I'm no good at who won World Cup And where the one sorry, where' they win them? Right. Right. So I see that rightold try to do something right. Stephen G St you written in and done? Yes, I have me. Right, what are you going for, Stephven was it the Stadiil Deli Alpit? wasas it Uveniceices all sting? St Del Al love youitt in down. I went Saniro. No, it wasn't. I had stadio Olympica So it wasn't get way out it. so One on sow is going very, very well. J today. is J questionses. The sn's getting to him. Just keep talk slowly, John. burn He's burning his We're watching. Right Next question, question number four, still one one. Who managed Argentina at the twenty ten World Cup Who managed Argentina at the twenty ten World Cup Same Write something down, d IX Steam has got us. I probably. He's looking quite comf today. Right I'll go first then just quickly because I don't know it. Is it Ard dealas or whatever you call? What'd you call the B guy? Be Argentin?dd dealas Listen to have money in? Come on, Stehven P sa Stephven. It was It was Digle Maron. Oh's Digle Maron Crect. But money starts in tinner. Yeah did we point up wh them in a friendly and who was the manager then? That isn't it? Yeah It was because our assistant manager was Terdry Butcher and obviously he was asked about like nine eighty six and stuff like that and Marado's response was Who is Butcher? And a German accent? Yeah. Right, okay, Dad, do you want to go talk b or do you want to keep going? How many questions are left? We're up to question number five. So top b be is a hard one?. It's always hard one. Is it what'll come no Which you mean know it's not It's a btle cu It is Scotland though. Right give Stephven his question first. I'll give Stephven his question and you can try and equal probablyather go top right Okay. Right, Stephven, question number five. So you're not you're going for your top bindasah. Yeah, right okay Jockstein managed Scotland at which World Cup? Joockstein managed Scotland at which World Cup ninet. nineteen eighty it there we go. easy. There we go. passast easy question. rightight Dad, you're don'tgh You're laughing Joon t your. I have no chance. How many caps has Ryan Christie got for Scotland? How many caps has Ryan Christie got for Scotland Stephven, many would you say Quite a lot, I would say. I've went R, what do you go for? I went sixty six. sixty six. I went fifty six by tour up ten. Odice. I went fifty six at the begin look there fifty six. written down. six. Right? There's my paper there with sixty six. fifty six written. What's see it? Yeah, fifty six written yeah. But I fancy Right, so you went So' wrang both Yeah Stephven, where' your favorite number d? Go on Steven howty nine? It' sixty nine of Jesus A Ken, where's the neighbor when you wantan to I know I know. Well, done you done well to hang in there. I know. We shouldn' have g my phone a friend. should have asked Kenny. You should have had like a lifeline of ask Kenny G getet Kennedy run naked in youard, Gone.. Sakking on a podcast could be a for. M we could we would be the highest viewed podcast in Europe if you get Kennedy runner run there, he's bare ar singing' kny Go on Step man We' We've in a Scotland. I cannot wait to watch this back. I can'ot wait to watchs this back hon Okay That's us there we are May have a great time over here and enjoy it. I see in Miami Yes, when I speak to you next week, I will be in Miami. So looking forward to it. And Daz, I'll see you in Miami, John, see you in Miami. I'll make sure Kenny is tuned up for the All the fun and games in the pool and all the rest of it, like a young Tom Daily. Sojoy the with. I can't wait to see It's going be amazing. It's going to be absolutely fantastic. So Yllisten, thanks for listening. And yeah, we'll be back next week. and hopefully I'll be less homever. I suspect I suspect I probably will be though, but enjoy your week guys and we'll speet you next time on the big Scottish football podcast J. Jate