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From Jane Coaston: POTUS's Racism Notches Another WinJun 26, 2026

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It's Jane Coast. Hello. It's good to see you, Tim. Jane, high bar for you to clear tonight. I know, I know. Regrettably we don't have Melania Trump explaining how we should have just read her book, but no one read her book. I'm so sorry. I still haven't. No , I should have pulled a clip just for fun. We should have just done a flashback I had nothing to do with F Now I met my husband, which I detailed in my book. I don't know. We didn't read it. I did not do sex trafficking with Jeffrey Epstein . Okay ? Anyway, we've got a grab bag of fun Tim and Jane topics at the end. We are going to have to talk about Chud Catholic Convert JD in the middle. I'd beginning to start with some angry news. Is that okay? Can we do mad stuff first? Yeah, I think that makes sense because I mean there's a lot of angry news before we get into how Usha Vance didn't have any issues growing up and she doesn't really get what JD's hot deal is, but that's neither here nor there. We'll get back to . I feel like I can call it that we're kind of on that sort of nickname level. I'm trying to say which thing I'm more upset about this morning. I think the thing I'm most upset about is the Supreme Court ruling on the temporary protected status for the Haitians. We're going to do legal nerdery next week but when, we get all of the Supreme Court rulings in. And so I don't know that we need to go through the ruling of the fine tune comb, but in short, what the practical effect is is that over three hundred thousand Haitians who fled horrific conditions in their country and are in America under legal status have now been made illegal by the Supreme Court because of some Calvin Ball style decision and now they're subject to Mark Wayne Mullin and Stephen Miller and their goons and who knows it's going to happen. So I've got some rage on this. I'm wondering what your reaction is. Yeah, I mean there are a couple things of about this because it's not just folks from Haiti, it's folks from Syria, it's folks who are here on temporary protected status. And there's a split screen, which a couple of people have been sharing, I did as well , which is Samuel Alito saying like Trump's comments, you know, you can say anything someone's country. You can just like dislike people's country, like whatever, it's fine. Like, so it's not racist . And then you have , if I remember correctly, you have in her dissent, Elena Kagan being like, here is all of the things Trump said about Haitians and talking about how they're bringing Aids, how they live in a shit hole country, how they're just terrible people , how we should be able to get more people from Norway and Sweden . And it was interesting how Samuel Alito's whole thing was doesn't look like anything to me. And this is someone who once decried the sopran for promoting anti Italian racism. So like there's this weird like it's interesting because I just keep thinking about how like the Supreme Court, the Conservative Justices on the Supreme Court can see' rtacis m if it impacts them directly. Everybody else, they're like, oh , what? Who? Like it's like if horseblinders work like this and it's telling because I just keep thinking of moments in which people on the right have decried anti white racism or what they believe to be anti white racism. Which really just makes it so clear that there is a swath of the American that knows what racism is, but can only identify it if it is happening to them . Or I think maybe in the case of antisemitism, for example, like on Fox , they're like very keedy in on any signs of anti Semitism if it comes from a DSA leftist . Right. Right. But it just again, you go like, you know, anti Semitism on the right. They're like , who? What? I don't know what you're talking about. I got nothing and I'm like, yeah, your hands are in front of your face and your eyes are closed and you've just been going l ah for the last several years or you've been saying like, Oh, it's okay because you know, I'll never forget the conservative commentator Ben Shapiro basically saying like Anne Coulter may be anti Semitic, but she likes Israel. So it's cool. Don't worry about it. You know, no need to worry about that. Like, it's totally fine. Also, you can say whatever you want about a liberal Jew . That's fine, but conservative Jew no. Mhm , not allowed. Here's the thing. And like I said, I'll get more into the court stuff next week, but this is what voted for. And like this is what we're going to get when Donald Trump came back in. And it's a heinous disgusting unawican, like fundamentally on American policy . But I mean, it's what they campaigned on. This was not they did not hide the ball. I mean, they campaigned on these people being kicked out of the country , talking about they made lies about them. They cans and dogs. They wanted to pay a bounty . You know, Christopher Rufo offered a bounty for proof that Haitian immigrants eat cats and or dogs. This was a thing that actually happened. Did he ever get that? Did he pay out the bounty? Unclear. I'm guessing no. I will also note that there's very specific groups that apparently were very mad about animal cruelty and that group is does not include white people who apparently can do animal cruelty all day long. There's kind of this overarching thing I have where it's like, oh you know, you had on CNN last night somebody ranting about a paitian immigrant who , you know, hit and killed a child in a truck or something like that and basically just remember Yeah, which I mean, one, the parents of the child went to a city council meeting, if I remember correctly and begged people to not use their child's name as a political cut . But also it's so obvious this idea of like one person did something that was terrible and horrible and awful and evil . And that's just one person did something. And that's it like obviously this is endemic across this entire large community, which is just like such obvious bog standard evil racism. That's just that 's just how it is. Like there's a temptation to want to do a tit for tat of just being like, look, like clearly we don't care, you know, we don't care about criminality coming from any other group or any other number of people. But to your point, this is what they campaigned on. This is what they said they would do. And there really is something about like there are people can say in some ways that the Trump administration, you know, this isn't what I voted for. I didn't vote to go to war in Iran. I didn't vote for him to be obsessed with a fucking reflecting pool . I didn't vote for him to be obsessed with, I don't know, arches and ballrooms and be like, you know, like if like whatever the actual stereotype of Marie Antoinette, who side note seems like she was a fine person. Like, it's fine. We can get into that as another conversation, but you know, actual Marie Antoinette, fine. But like this, you knew you, knew the whole time. You wanted it to be the economy of twenty nineteen, and you said, this is also fine. It's fine. We're going to send these Haitian kids that are just trying to live a life in our countries or going to school , people that are working in the factories, and you have all these anecdotes, and you shouldn't even have to say them with people that are. And also work. People who have been here for like sixteen years at this point since the twenty ten earthquake, like I'm gonna send them back to what? Well also like the idea that this is somehow a good thing for us like it doesn't do anything good for us. It doesn't add anything to remove people from this country. It just doesn't. Like this. Like it doesn't, it doesn't add anything. It detracts from us and it detracts from who we are, who I want us to be more accurately, because this is actually who we are right now. I have to give you a counterpoint, Jane. Meghan Kelly, who's usually writing around us in the podcast rankings, so people are listening to that show . She had a different take than you on the Haitian . Of course you did. Immigrants, and I'd like to play that for you. Look, this has been going on for over a dozen years. Go home , get out . We know our country's better than yours . That's because we filled it with our work ethic and our culture and our values . You being here only dilutes it for us, those who built it and live it. And half of you people more than half of you, you won't assimilate . We don't want you. We don't care if you're offended. Get out, go home. Go back to fucking Haiti, sorry . I'm just I'm thinking about our friends in Ohio who've been dealing with these TPS Haitians for years now who are drunk driving all over their towns and killing people? This is the whole cats and dogs thing. Like they don't want to live like Americans live . You know , how Americans stand athwart drunk driving. That is something Americans don't drunk drive. That's why there hasn't been a years long campaign to get people to stop drunk driving. And there isn't a little device that sometimes court officers will put in your car that you have to blow into before you can start your car, because Americans don't drunk drive. Like what she's doing there, and this is kind of a wider thing is she is vice signaling. This is like yeah, fuck you I hate everybody I'm a terrible person and I'm gonna perform that because oh I'm just standing up for a friend's in Ohio like 'cause you know, Meghan Kelly , who is an extraordinarily wealthy woman, who has been an extraordinarily wealthy woman for a very long time is also got her ears to the ground in Springfield, Ohio, because I am sure that she is spending a lot of time just with everyday folks in Springfield, Ohio. And I'm sure she's not just getting emails from people who are already mad about it who are also listeners of the Meghan Kelly Show. You know, she's getting like deal, contextual information from the good people of Springfield, Ohio. This is a woman who once complained about a trans woman appearing on Kim Petrus, pop starar, appeing in Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue because she was upset because what if her sons wanted to masturbate to the sports Illustrated swimsuit issue? And they saw Kim Petris and they couldn't do it. Wouldn't that be sad, Tim? Wouldn't that be so sad? It would be very sad. I think you're kind of nice to Megan Kelly there because what Meghan Kelly is doing is she's being a rancid bitch . That's what she's doing. I'm sorry. Like that is all she's doing. She's like, you can call it vice signaling. That's just fan it's like the winny poo in the Tuxedo version of what she's doing. But she's being a rancid bitch and she 's military It's a performance for a performance that is like this is what this is what we want. Like this is what we want to hear from you. We want to hear from you yelling at Mark Levin about his micropeniscure God knows what and it will benefit you financially to do this. If it didn't, she wouldn't be doing it. And you will recall, I mean, the thing with Meghan Kelly specifically is that we have evidence of all of this because you remember when she was working for NBC ? Yeah, it was a totally different character. Totally a totally different character. Totally different. She was like loving trans children. Very good. On the show . Yeah. Yeah. She's like the soft morning mom, after school drop off. Yeah, let's get clapping. Talking about clabbing. She did the wine dancing. But she is perpetrating a lie that like that is underscoring the tragedy that's happening to these people that are being sent back to Haiti for no reason or they're being menaced by our government for no reason. They were in the country working hard , going to church, raising their families. Like that's what was happening about most of the Haitians in Springfield, Ohio. And like this idea , I'm gonna can I steal a line from Barack Obama? The idea that like there's this great American culture and it's like we built this. It's like Meghan Kelly, you didn't build shit . Like she has not built any lasting cultural touchstone. She has added nothing to the culture. All she's trying to do is rip the country apart , undermine what made America special. Like ide thea that Hait Haiiti ans haven't contributed anything to American culture. As a New Orleans resident, I do have to object to this notion because New Orleans is Alabama without Haitians. That's what New Orleans is. Like the Creole culture is New Orleans . And like that, I think has enriched the country quite a bit. It's added a lot of, you know, a lot of spice to the gumbo. You know, there've been a lot of great Haitians, Bascott Blake Griffin. You know, there was the Pierre Tousson, she might be familiar with. She lives in New York. She pretends to be a person a Catholic, founder of Catholic charities . It's just like this fucking idea that it's like, oh, we did that, we did. She hasn't done anything. She does you sit in your basement, in your mansion and and you yell at people for money. Yeah, no, there's something , you know, a concept that I find, I mean, it's, you know, you see it across different groups, but it's kind of like a stolen valor thing. And this is stolen white people valor. Yes correct. It's like, you know, my ancestors, I'm like, did they? Maybe they did. I don't know who your g greatrandma is. She probably contributed more than Megan Kelly has to the culture. No, I don't know. You see this with kind of like, you know, like you get stolen penis valor where it's like men are like, Oh, we are all universally stronger than every woman. And I'm like, sir , I've watched, you know, I've seen you get bested by a large bag of rice at Costco. So like, let's just, you know, let's simmer down a little bit on this one. But yeah, no, it's awful. But it's awful and it's garbage and it's what we're doing right now. And it's what we're performing again to the world. And I mentioned this on my show yesterday that like we have this simultaneous like people are here for the World Cup and everybody's having a great time and people are like getting along and doing stuff. You and this is in conservative media too. For people who don't consume conservative media, like this is like a big stick for them right now. It's like almost a segment of every show to that point, including fans of Haiti 's national soccer team, which they've not been able to play at home in years . And you have Haitian Americans who are here supporting their team. They are, you know, they're celebrating, they 're having dance offs with Scottish fans . Like it's great . And it's like that is and you have conservative media being like, yeah, everybody loves us. It's so great. But like, you gotta get the fuck out of here. Like it's a fascinating duality. It is. 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This has been something I've wanted to get to. This is related to an ice protest in Prairie Land. So many stories , it's kind of complicated and how do you say this? Like the victims of a story like they're never pure, you know, you want your victims to be mother Teresa. The victims in the story did some things that were wrong, but the way that they're being treated by the government is fucking outrageous and so it's also like the way that they are being portrayed in media, which is again . Yeah, it's all it's outrageous and especially because one, it's led to some of the most irritating people on earth gloating about it, but also the degree to which so what we're talking about write down what we're actually talking about sorry . Yeah, our fucking dander is up. Okay, listeners, sorry, sometimes our dander gets up before we tell you what we're talking about. Fourth of July last year , protesters went to the Prairie Land Ice Facility in Texas for protest. It was disruptive. It was not they were shooting fireworks, they were doing graffiti. They slashed their tires on the government van. You should not do that . They were asked to disperse. Many of them did not comply. A federal agent arrive pulled out a gun. One of the protesters had taken a rifle to the protest , Second Amendment, hell yeah, shot and wounded but didn't kill the officer that pulled the gun. You should not do that . The government prosecuted then twenty two protesters , not just the one. Including people who were not there. That's something that's important here. People who were not present for this event . Nine of the protesters were prosecuted under this material support for terrorism executive order that Trump signed last year , which is going after being very undercovered. The reporter Ken Klipenstein has been all over this . But yeah, it's gotten very under recovered, but yet so they're getting hit with these terrorism charges. So these nine people , their sentences ranged from thirty to one hundred , thirty to one hundred . Many of the listeners got mad at me for my for what they considered one of my worst takes besides the decoration of the Oval Office, which was that I thought that the Kuanan Shaman sentence was too harsh . He got like three years . Okay. These people got thirty to one hundred years for Antifa terrorism . The government alleged that eight of the convicted protesters belonged to North Texas Antifa . In the case of one of the couple the government relied on as evidence they owned a printing press. Story from like the Weather Underground , used to print anarchis m? Yes . Anarchis . One of the defendants this is the guy you mentioned and then I'll let you go. Yeah, one of the defendants, which you just mentioned, Daniel s by Dez, Sanchez Estrada, didn't even attend the protest as you mentioned. His wife did. She called him from jail after the arrest. The government recorded the call soon after he was stopped by police. He was moving a box of these zines from his home . Many of the illustrations where there were stickers, you know, the tattoo flash sheets . They're entered into the prosecution's exhibit files . I like that now this guy has been convicted of terrorism for the Zines. Again, one, Zines. It's like extremely like nineteen ninety three , which, okay, that's fine. Yeah. Again , this person was prosecuted for moving a box of anarchist zines . Now , I can't laugh. You wanna laugh, no, no. You want to laugh because of the word zines because it makes me feel like we are having like we're doing like a very special episode of Blossom . Would watch that episode of Blossom to be clear, but we are talking about someone who was prosecuted for terrorism for moving a box of zines. And it's been interesting how this case is discussed in conservative media and in the media more generally, where it's just like , you know, they were colluding to do Marxist terrorism , which like one , it is legal to be a Marxist, just like it is legal in the United States to be a white nationalist, completely legal . Now, will the FBI spend a lot of time listening to your phone calls and trying to encourage you to like move guns across state lines? Yes, so remember , if anyone is excited about you doing crimes, it's always a fed every time. No one wants to help you do crimes. That's like a really important lesson that I always want everybody to take away. Nobody wants to help you do crimes . But also it's completely legal. It is completely legal to have a politics that, I think, sucks. It's totally legal . And the idea that this is doing anything to foment national security writ large is mind bendingly stupid. Like it just is. This is all happening also while there still is, to be clear, as far as I know, that Magaslush fund for Jan Six people , Jan six defenders, well, I mean, of course they will. They're all make the point of like, you know, so many of them didn't even do anything. The cops just let them in and all this other stuff and then they had to deal with like years and years of prison. And there is a version of all of this . And I'm reminded of how like just after january sixth, you get Marjorie Taylor Greene complaining about like jail conditions and a bunch of like libertarians being like, yeah.. Yeah. Yeah Wow. There were some people that got too harsh of sentences that didn't do anything on January sex that just were there and walking around. That was that is true. That happened. That was not the vast majority of the waste not happening. There were lots of people who were tasing cops and and then telling the victims of their sexual abuse of those people that they would be getting money from the government and they would just pay them off. That's a side note. So you have all these people who are like , oh, you know, the government went so hard after us after this. And then you have this happening and they're like, but that's fine. That's all. Have we heard from Jolly Kelly Have we heard from any of any of the big activists on behalf of the January six choir? Have we heard from Matt Gates? What about Marjorie? She's out. Have we even heard from MTG about this? So maybe she might want to give MG's benefit. If you have MG's email phone number out there, please ask her about this story. I don't. But like this is crazy. No, it is insane. It's objectively insane. When you've got a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when you believe that you have this thing Antifa , you know, you have created it into being an overarching terrorist network, the likes of which we have not seen since Al Qaeda or ISIS . Well, everything starts to look like evil antifa, al Qaeda, ISIS , including someone moving a box of zines out of their house. Now , we can easily do this for any number of groups they're moving white nationalist literature . You know, there's lots of that. You have some guy moving like printed copies of siege or the Turner Diaries or any number of things like Atom Waffen Devisch, any number of these things . And I'm sure you would see people arguing many of these same people that like, you know, it's not a crime to have these beliefs, you know, this moving this like The First Amendment's under threat. Remember I remember this whole thing about how my extremist views, my First Amendment views are under threat because Facebook, a private company deleted my post or cancelled my account because that's why we are getting rid of section two hundred thirty because is very hard for me personally. This is a very commonly expressed view on the right, including by the richest man in the world, talks about this a lot. There's this great censorship. It's an attack on the First Amendment. This is a guy who's been put in jail for thirty to one hundred years for leftist zines . Like where the fuck is Elon? Like where is that? Where is the outrage about this? It is he's very busy attempting to foment race war in the in the United Kingd om. He's got a lot to do over there. And so I don't know. I mean, the guy, the chat that cop s see what the details of the are of this and all this, obviously , this was very stupid and this was not something you should do and you should be punished if it was in the law, but it's like for the same people that came to Kyle Rittenhouse's defense when he showed up to a protest with a gun, like that are doing the stand or ground nonsense that are talking about how their rights are being abridged by the government, like to now want to throw the book at kind of some weird lefty guys that wanted to do earnest protests outside of ice facility . I mean, like talking about the voice, I guess is stupid. Yeah. No, I mean it's a personal libertarianism. It's like, I should be able to do whatever I want and you should have to do whatever I want you to say,, wh whateateverver I I say say.. Yeah No, that's right. Yeah, that's it. That's really good . Okay, well, I want to keep talking about this because you know, unfortunately we're going to need, I don't know, a july fourth Texas choir probably for these people so they can get pardoned by President John Osaf or whatever in twenty twenty nine God willing, but it's a fucking sick story. Really quick aside. I just wanted to mention another story. It's kind of hard to get everything happening in the news, but like there's also this pretty shocking New York Times story about one of the Minnesota protesters, Paul Johnson. It's a couple days ago now. It's according to Johnson. No reason not to believe him. Plenty of reason not to believe DHS . Johnson says he was he laid for hours in a hospital bed in Minneapolis, woozy from pain pills and addled from the head blows that he said he received from federal agents . He was alone. He's unable to communicate with anyone, and he was strapped in place by shackles on his leg . He was there in the hospital for five days and the story is it's horrific. It's like monstrous. And like they're just like examples of this stuff happening everywhere. It's interesting how you go back and forth. I mean, the overarching message I keep having over the last couple of years is that the people are full of shit this whole time. And so the same people who are like, you just can't trust the Biden administration. You can't believe what the government says to you. That kind of like new world order, Alex Jones thing, where they're all like, well, DHS said that they were all very dangerous and that this is all one hundred percent true . Well, this is the Tim Dylan line, which is like Alex Jones was right. It's just everything he was warning about. And he's completely fine about it. To point out, but yeah, no, it's uncool . 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Shriving Company , extraordinary jewelry and time pieces , and Stanford Shopping Center Palo Alto . Well, I want to move on to one quick news item 'cause I haven't mentioned it all wee k is this housing bill drama. People haven't been following it. Basically, it's like the one bipartisan thing that Congress has done in the year twenty twenty six . Great job to our friends on the hill. Woo . They've been working hard. They got in, they did like, I think a good forty two days of work this year in the Senate. I'm making the number up something like that . Now they got one bill, worked together on it. It's for housing , includes some good stuff a lot of compromises. A lot of compromises. It includes a little bit of slop popular slop, but that's what you got to do these days to get things through. That's how you add it. On balance, pretty good, Bill. And it's funny because on balance, it was so good that you have Elizabeth Warren being like, yeah , and the Trump White House until you know, everything changed very quickly saying, yeah And then then and and then that changed and even like some middle rope like everybody. So the whole so I think it had like puppies were happy so I was like, yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. So this week Trump is like panties are in a bunch because he's in a couple of pissing matches with random senators like Bill Cassidy and others and he's mad that the SAVE Act isn't passed. He thinks for some reason he thinks that the save act is going to help him steal the midterms I'm like skeptical about that. We can talk about that if you want, but it's a really bad bill, but I don't even know if Trump really understands what's in it. I'm pretty sure Trump just thinks it's this will help me steal the elections bill. Yes. Which he keeps saying that even though like just like one aside is that like part of it is that you would need a passport or a birth certificate to register to vote. And I don't know. And I think Matthew Galas has made that point. I don't know if Trump knows who in America has passed passports? I'm gonna say that. I'm interested in that. I figure like we can only do two compromise bills all year, the housing bill and passport only voting are things that I would be interested in. We'll put that. Tell me more for those. T.ell T meell me more more . I'd like to learn more about your passport only voting idea. I'll just see how that turns out. Let's give that a test run . Because the safe act hasn't been passed, Trump said, No, fuckin I'',m not I' goingm not to gonna, sign your housing bill that his administration said they supported. They literally had like all these House Republicans want is to get into a picture with Mr. Trump and have him pat them on the head and be able to show the picture to their friends and post it on their Instagram so they can be like, see, daddy, likes me. That's all they want in life. They want to go and they want something to campaign on. They want something to campaign on because everybody's fucking furious. Like they don't exactly like they're going to have to go, I mean, they're probably not going to do town halls because they don't want to get screamed at about how data centers are going to, I don't know, kill our children or something like that. They don't want to deal with this. Like if you live in Utah, you're aware that that Kevin O'Leary data center has caused everyone to lose their minds completely and it's scrambling everything. You don't want it. You just want to be like housing. We did it. You said you were worried about affordability here, here. We did it. They had this whole event set up. They had the set of flags, they had the stanchion. People like Republicans were showing up. Republicans were like speaking at the same time being like, we did it, we did it. This is so awesome. We're so excited. And then Trump 's like, man, no, not gonna show up to that. You gotta say back first. So that went back and forth this week a little bit. Where it landed is Speaker Johnson showed maybe like the tiniest little bit of stood up for himself, the wee little man. And so they they ended they ended up just going ahead and without fanfare, passing the bill, Johnson's gonna he send it along to the White House, whatever. I don't what he has to do to do that. That was never held, guy. I said this yesterday. I'm a little bit out of my depth on parliamentarians. He said he transmitted it to the White House. I don't know. Mike Johnson lives in hell. She got a handle. Mike Johnson lives in So it's been transmitted. I don't know. My husband will tell me after the podcast how bill transmits to the to the White House, but it gets transmitted somehow. It's transmitted over there to the White H ouse. Now Trump has ten days and he can veto it. He could sign it. They could do a press conference. He could he could do nothing. The bill automatically becomes law. It could do nothing. If the House is not in session, then it becomes a pocket veto. Anyway, who knows? We'll see how this turns out. I think Trump is Trump likes it as a cliffhanger for the next episode of the Apprentice and that's where we're at on the housing bill. Okay . Let's do some JD talk . Fun . So where should we go first? You had mentioned the vice signaling with Meghan Kelly. And it was what she was doing was an example of vice signaling, but maybe not quite as apt of an example as what JD offered yesterday. So the vice president was giving an interview at the Richard Nixon Foundation, and he has some upd ated thoughts on tricky dick. Let's listen . I think that his historical legacy is enjoying a bit of a renaissance, but I think deservedly so . As I joked with Robert backstage . If Watergate happened tomorrow, it would be like a twelve hour news story. The idea that it would have taken down a presidency is crazy . And by the way, if you look at the story of the deep state took down Richard Nixon , it's not all that different from what the same groups of people, the same institutions tried to do to Donald Trump in the first Trump administration. There is a parallel . See down there, he's at the Nixon Foundation. So this was a planned bit. He planned it. It was like, you know what? I'm going to go to the Nixon Foundation and I'm going to talk about how Watergate, not a big deal. Most of our listeners are my age or older, not at all. We appreciate all the youngs out there, and so they either remember, learned about or lived Watergate. There's some who might not have. So I just want to give a quick refresher a one paragraph refresher on what happened at Watergate . Because I don't think JD Vance knows the other thing. Like I don't think he has any idea what happened because the deep state did play a role. The Depe state did play a role in Watergate. I just the opposite of the role that he thinks . So Richard Nixon's aides authorized a break in of the DNC headquarters to install bugging equipment. They were going to bug their opponents. hired some really motley characters to do this and they weren't particularly good at their jobs. So they got caught . Then the Nixon White House enlisted the CIA to help create a cover story because news of this got out and their investigations into it. They didn't want the FBI, they didn't want the cops looking into it. So the FCA are like, guys, don't worry about this . This was a part of the plan. You know, we're doing some spying on some on some terrorists. Maybe they're Antifa, who knows. Okay . The whole operation was paid for by a slush fund out of the White House. The chief of staff knew about it. The AG knew about it. They both were convicted, went to jail. The president knew about it. You know how we know? There were tapes. The president was talking about it. So the president was colluding with the deep state to help him cover up his plot to spy on his political foes. That was Watergate. That's what happened at Watergate . So pretty big story, pretty bad I think personally if Donald Trump colluded with the CIA and there's the thing is the more I say this out loud in my life seems like something he'd do. A hundred percent. Like the, you know, hiring, I mean, based on this whole reflecting pool thing, yeah, he would hire a Motley crew to break into the DNC and install but all of this one hundred percent checks out. But it also like the idea that that would just be like a twelve hour story one, I don't really think that there are like twelve hour stories anymore. Like I think that JD Vance desperately wishes that there were, but like , you know, we're still talking about Jeffrey Epstein, for example. Jeffrey Epstein is not a twelve hour story. Jeffrey Epstein has been a multiyear saga, and it's Donald Trump's fault. I guess Donald Trump keeping his classified docs in his bathroom was a shorter story than maybe if past presidents have done that because he's done so many other crimes. Like Jamie Vance is maybe raised a lot of questions in a narrow sense that it is true that the boss that he works for has done so many crimes that they end up not getting the attention that they might have got it in a past era and that if they did Watergate right now, that it would get maybe less attention than it did for Nixon in part because they're doing so many other crimes and in part because they have a massive propaganda apparatus that would have tried to make it seem likeed it wasn't a big deal. Like that part is true. Right. So he is correct about that. I don't know if it's the compliment that he thinks it is, really. No, no, also like it's just funny because Richard Nixon, they're just like the right wing rehabilitation of Richard Nixon, which has been going on for a while. Like Roger Stone has like some giant Nixon tattoos very well also. I don't like to object to that. I don't think that there's a renaissance. I don't think there's not a renaissance because you just have to like , if you're on the far right, you just have to strategically be like, yeah, I'm the creation of the Environmental Protection Agency and Nixon having his own cabinet of African American advisors and doing a lengthy profile and interview with Ebby Magaz ine about how much he believes and wants to do more for African Americans than he thinks that Republicans have left African Americans behind. This isn't entirely true. You can go find that article. There's just a lot of stuff where you just have to pretend that Richard Nixon is the Richard Nixon of like the campaign of nineteen sixty eight and also not the Richard Nixon of what his presidency did or anything else about him and also the Richard Nixon who again hired dipshits to break into the DNC . Like the break in is not like , you know, obviously it's very interesting, but like if you follow like the TikTok of how all this happened, you're like , I think that the quote from all the president's men is just from Deep Throat is pretty much like, you know, I'm paraphrasing, but it's basically like these were stupid people and it just went too far. I used to know it. It got out of hand . It got out of hand. Got a hand . Yes. These weren't very smart people and it got out of hand. That's what I have in my memory. I don't know if that's exactly right. But it's something like that. I'm sorry to be stuck on this. The vice president of the United States doing a bit where he's like , you know this crime that a past president committed , where they tried to spy on their opponents, they tried to break into their opponents' headquarters . They used the CIA to cover it up, not a biggie . Like that is pretty shocking in itself. Like that should be a twelve hour story on its own. Like the sitting vice president of the United States, like what he's signaling there is he's like, you know, we can do crimes . It's not a biggie anymore. We're post crime now. We used to be a country where people cared if the president and vice president did crimes. We're not that country anymore. Thanks to the greatness of Donald Trump. Thanks to the Trump Vance Administration. Yes. The government can be corrupt and do crimes . And we're not hiding We can do it. Now people in the streets, if you're protesting with your zines , you can't do that, but we can do crimes. That's their stated position. Yeah, we can we are procrimes. It's pro us crime. It's also striking like showing up at the Nixon Foundation and then talking about like the most controversial worst thing Nixon ever did. It would be like going to like , you know, the Ronald Reagan library and being like Iran contra ruled. Rules. It was great. Also, remember how we helped to fund El Salvadorian right wing desquads that raped and murdered a group of nuns and lay people and then Jean Kirkpatrick lied about them. That was so cool. Look how great that's turned out. Things are going great in El Salvador now, right? While we're on JD, I've covered this quite a bit, but because you know, we have the Catholic thing together and people just really loved your ruminations on, you know, your favorite epistles and saints , Eucharistic rites last time you were on. We should also just bring up the book discussed earlier this week , a key part of his conversion story is that God sent him an emissary from heaven to help open his eyes to the fact that smart people could be religious. That messenger was Peter Tiel. God works in mysterious ways . And he learned about Peter Thiel, he learned about Renee Gerard , he started doing some reading. And he's like, you know , maybe it looks like I can be rich and bad and Catholic. That's neat . And so he's gone on a faith journey simultaneously towards his faith journey to Trumpism. He's written a book about it. His wife's fascinating timing for a faith journey on board. Just wondering if you have anything the Bell Hooks thing is also kind of weird. Bell Hooks' first book was Elogy's second book Communion, that's his . So that 's a strange subplot. I just kind of wanted to give a let Jane Cook period in response to JD Vance's communion . I have, obviously, many thoughts on this. I will say I'm not sure if I mentioned this last time, but theperor Em Constantine's conversion to Christianity less obvious. Less of like, you know, like seeing the cross in the sky and just being like, yeah, I got to do this in a related note. Like it's really honestly I wish he gave me a miracle. I wish I honestly, this is insulting. I wish he gave me a like at least jush it up a little bit. Yeah no like at least like I mean it just like there you know there's a lengthy history of people converting to Catholicism for political reasons. You know, people have converted to Catholicism in order to gain control of Paris, for example, because Paris is worth a mass. But like, this may be one of the stupider ones. Like this like, oh yeah, I convert Rod Dre was there. Like I converted to Catholicism and at the timing just happened to line up for when I believed that a cultural Catholicism would be most politically advantageous. And that's not just me saying this. The Wall Street Journal was like, yeah, the conversion narrative seems a little politically incentivized, which I'm like, yeah, yes. Yeah, perhaps perhaps it was. Perhaps it is a bit. But again, but actually I want to get back to I want to get back to Usha because I think Usha Vance has in the last couple of days worked her way up to be , I believe, a comedy queen, unintentionally, I think , maybe. Can we play the clip of Usha that you're about to reference where she talks about why she has not converted in her recent join interview . Well, I think in some ways it has been a very personal journey for him . I grew up in a household, a Hindu household, a very stable household and I've not felt the same sense of need to seek something different that he has . So I think the journey has been more in our relationship, right? Trying to understand where he is, the different ways he's thinking about things, how that fits into the life that we have together and less a religious journey of my own . There you go . Dead pants. It's just like dead pants. Yeah My family wasn't fucked up, so I didn't have this whole need to go into like , you know, have a whole journey. We were actually just fine, which one , I love that Usha obviously knows that her family and her self are targeted by some of the worst elements of human society and people on the right for being not white and not Christian. There are people routinely who were like, Ah like invaders, bullshit. And I just love that she's like, actually we were We were solid and stable and normal, unlike these fucking weirdos over here not like the White Appalachians. I was like, people my husband has been saying that it's created some issues with continuity in the country having all of that. No continuity issues in our house, our Hindu household, just my parents was good. We ate Indian food, vegetarians, yeah that our tradition person. I'm almost good. I didn't have done all the right things. Yeah . I didn't need like a satanic now. Tech demon to be a spiritual guide for me because I'm spiritually fulfilled already. Has an energy that says lot going on here that I don't need to know more about didn't need any of that. I'm all good. Yeah, which again, I respect her for just having the like actually he's the problem. Yeah , which, you know, I respect that. I will respect that. You know, like people make choices . And I respect that. Have you suffered through any of communion? No, I have not. I'm good. I'm good. I want to make you. Can I give you an assignment? I kind of want to make you. Okay, you can give me an assignment, but adults can read chapters. 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I've been wanted to get to the Roy Cooper ad all week where Roy Cooper's just like, there's all this discourse out there about how the Democratic Party's becoming socialist and going off the deep end and weird, but I'm Roy Cooper and I'm just a good old boy for North Carolina. And you know what I? I think think criminals should go to jail. This is Roy Cooper and I have this message and it's like you're he's winning by numbers not seen in North Carolina in decades . For one thing, like others have made this point. I think that like New York, I know holds a massive place in the American cultural and global cultural imagination. And it 's been interesting to see how like these elections have for like either either if you're supportive of them or if you're like terrified of them, you're like, this is the future of the Democratic Party. Meanwhile, you've got lots of other people running and lots of other places where they're just like, We're doing something very different , and that's fine. I think that it is important for Democrats to be like, We run where we are and we work towards what we need . And so I think something that to DAC , there was some reporting talking about how there were a couple of people who mentioned that they voted for her after a moment in which during a debate with her primary opponent, they asked her like, oh, you know, how often do you go to the Dominican Republic? And she's like, you know, I haven't been in a couple of years. You know, I'm here. And her opponent was like, Oh, I go all the time.. Right And you know, people were like, Why would you go all the time? And it kind of gets like, do you remember during Mamdani's debate? This is the way the debate where everybody's like, When are you going to go to Israel? And it was almost like mayor of New York. That's like that's my job. That's the New York. That's the thing. I mean , I'm not Jewish. That is a experience. . But the degree to which people, you know, Jewish Democrats voting for Bradlander who is a Jewish Democrat and people are like, you know, he's like Capo . He would be like, what was the quote from the Republic an Gubernatorial candidate that like he would be running a concentration camp? And it's just like it's interesting . Actually, somebody has been running a concentration camp . And letters . We sent people there. That's who I don't think it was Brad Lander was protesting it actually is what happened. Yeah. And it gets at like, you know, I made this comparison that like, you know, the right gets very mad about like how sometimes people, Democrats, talk about Backl Ceronsvatives. They've gone , I hate this term because it's repulsive like, oh, they've gone off the plantation or something like that. And there is a degree to which you see this kind of like hey , where are you making decisions I don't like ? And like it's a weird dynamic, but there's something, I mean to the point with the Roy Cooper ed, where it's just like North Carolina is not New York. No I think, that what you saw in New York and what you're seeing in a lot of places is that Democrats are like, Hey, stuff's really expensive. We should do stuff about that. Yeah, and we're sick of the old we're seeing this Colorado right now, stuff's really expensive. They're just sick of the old polit. Theyic doni'anst feel like they're doing anything. I mean, that's something that Mike Ran ch is coming back to Colorado right now and he's getting the Janet Mills treatment here. Given this gubernatorial run, it's like, I think that an understated thing about the Platinar Janet Mills thing is that Janet Mills is eighty. Yeah, right. Like people, I mean, it's been talked about, but maybe not enough, like the Germanocracy thing is real . Yeah, I know. I mean here's the thing. It makes for good discourse. There's legitimate concerns about the views in particular that Chevalier has. And I think that there's legitimate concerns about rising antisemitism. We cover that a lot. Yeah. Like the whole thing of like interracial marriage, like being against interracial marriage but like leftistsly and like and just as a general thing also, this is kind of an underappreciated part of the campus protests. It's like there were like she was there and she's in the I was like yours, she's thirty. I mean, like, okay, like you're allowed to go to school for twelve years if you want to get a doctorate. I have nothing against anybody that wants to do that. But it feels a little bit against the spirit of the campus protest to be a thirty year old as a key campus protester? One man's opinion. Anyway, closing the loop on Roy Cooper, I just want to offer because we have a lot of discussion. You guys do it crooked. What should the Democrats do in the future? How do you win ? And I know that like what we want to be true is that people want to be inspired and that we need a new path forward and some creative ideas that will make life better for people and we can aspire to a better politics. And I hear all that. But maybe it's a three hundred and fifty electoral vote win just to be like, I'm Roy Cooper and I think you should we should love our neighbors as we love ourselves, and I think we should put criminals in prison . And I approved this message. And I was like, maybe that's good enough. Seems like it's doing pretty well North Carolina. Democrats haven't won North Carolina in a while. Roll Cockooper just wants to follow the golden rule and make sure bad guys are behind bars. Don't hate it . 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Relax responsibly, Corona, extra beer. Imported by Crona in Portago, Illinois . All right . Here's the potpourri. We're not going to get to everything. Podcast has already been long. Okay. I've created eight topics that are in the Tim Jane Hobby horse. And we'll go back and forth until the podcast is over. We won't get to all of them. We want to leave people with leave people a little bit. Something to want to come back for the next time. Okay . Topic one is Caitlin Clark Discourse. Topic two is Jane Coasted Nostalgia Theory as evidenced by Vanill e Ice. Topic three is the anthropic economist talking about the log utility of human beings. Topic four is Congressman Abe Hamiday, Republican from Arizona's interesting living arrangement. Topic five is Haralb , famous gambler and podcaster and sports team owner. He wants to repeal the nineteenth Amendment. Topic six is a Jane favorite about how Republicans want to start prosecuting women who have abortions. Topic seven is Brandon Soresby's gambling scandal and topic eight is Diana Rossini's love affair with Mike Vreble . Eight great topics. We're not going to start all of them. You want to start? No, you start. You're the guest. You pick the first of the eight. Okay , so Coast and Nostalgia Theory, I will start there. Okay, great. So Coast and Nostalgia Theory and it has proven time tested, which is a funny way to refer to it . Do you miss this time or were you young and or hot at the time? So vanilla ice , you remember like the can I read the quote? Do you haven't said yes. I do not have to read the quote of Vanilla Ice, I believe it was in the Atlantic. It was with friends of the Atlantic. Did some important reporting on this? And Vinilla Ice is one of the like two people that said that they would go to Donald Trump's stupid fair. And he said this , I am complete American through and through , all my bones to every TV show, to blockbuster videos, to ripping our back seats out and putting in subwoofers, to having z cavaric pants, to even having a bolo. You remember what a bolo was? Yes . So the article makes it clear that Vinilla Ice believes that the early nineteen nineties were the zenith of human civilization . Now , could it be ? What was great? Good time . Pretty good ? I was six, so and I was not good at being six I think just to preface this, I am the kind of person who like I was born to be between the ages of like thirty five and thirty eight. Like that's what I was meant to do that. I was meant to like read the New York Times and complain about it . Like that's why I was meant to do that. It's just that people don't like it when you do that when you're seven. They get very annoyed by it. Anyway, so Vanilla Ets reached his personal zenith in the early nineteen nineties, most famous. He was dating Madonna . He was like in the last year 's mutant. Two Madonna. Two people who dated Madonna mentioned in the show. That's interesting. He was in a teenage mute ninja turtles mov ie. I mean, that's that , you know? That's going ninja, go ninja, go. Like he had a great time . And then he stopped having such a good time as the article details . And it makes total sense to me that he would find the time at which he was young, hot, and really famous to be incidentally the greatest time in American history. And he is not alone in thinking that. And like I love and you can tell this because when the greatest time in human history has slowly moved forward as people get older and talk on the internet. So if you read the comments on different centrist, right leaning, left leaning websites, the commenters all tend to be in general of what I've seen from National Review to the Free Press or even like left leaning sites. The commenters who come at the lot all tend to be in like early seventies , which means that they were in their twenties the seventies , like you know, just about . Right. You will never guess when they think the greatest time to be alive was, Tim. They believe firmly that the greatest time to be alive was like nineteen seventy seven. I consider myself to be an amateur cultural historian. I happen to be aware that in actual life nineteen seventy seven was not a great time in America. A lot of problems. We had two blackouts. We had the son of Sam. Stagflation. A lot of stagglation, a lot of issues. One of my favorite example of movies that if you didn't really know what they were about, you'd think we're super happy but they aren't like Saturday night fever is actually an incredibly depressing movie banging soundtrack. But like it is telling when people talk about and you see this with comments, like there's a lot of internet slop about like remember how great things were? Nicki Haley did this. Like, do you remember being a child and how free and awesome things were? We're just gonna get that back. And I'm like, Well, you can't because people can't be ten There's a user on Blue Sky who talks a lot about like everyone is twelve theory of just people just attempting to get back to like being twelve or as I'd argue , when they were young and hot. And it's like everything is centered around when people were young and hot. The cultural norms like, oh, when I was twenty two , I was young and hot and dating all these people. I don't understand why Gen Z isn't just doing that. And I'm like, well , you are not twenty two. And your memories of being twenty two might be a little off. So coastal nostalgia theory never fails. It's always correct . I love coastal nostalgia theory and it isn't. There's the exception that proves the rule and it's a handful of people such as myself who have Peter Pan syndrome . And here's the thing and this gives this allows us the we get a thick skin against you know having to deal with the consequences of coast nostalgia. It has its own side of problems. And some of the commenters on this very podcast have mentioned that they noticed some of the negative side effects of Peter Pantheon. Nobody gets out of this world without some issues. But I was listening to Joe Rogan yesterday first time in a while and he has and it was just a classic coastal nostalgia theory. He's just become grumpy old rich guy now. There's no jois dives. There's no love of life. There's no joy in the podcast. It's just him pitch aboutin how' LA isn't as cool as it used to be. And it's like, you know, and you'll never guess when LA was hot when he was hot and young . And it's like, you know, here's a way to avoid that . If you want to do a Steve Buchenwi, how do you do fellow kids meme? It might look embarrassing, but it makes you stay current. Because for me to acknowledge that the past was better would mean that I'm not having a good time now . And it's important to me to pretend as if I'm having a better time now than I was having when I was twenty two . And in order to do that, I have to look at the positive things that are happening in society and there are many because in any culture, there are going to be some good things and bad things happening at the same time . And so that is how I combat coasted nostalgia theory. I think all the people should look into it. It's very important too, which one should I choose? I'm going to choose Abe Hamade because I've received so many texts about this. He's a congressman from Arizona. The Aaron Shock of our time. He is Aaron Shock of our time. If people do not know Congressman Hamiday, I'll just recommend that you just Google Hamil really quick. It's just important to just get a visual of who we're talking about. I've got to meet Abe several times. I was kind of the de facto circus correspondent for the state of Arizona during God, I don't know how time's flat circuit, what would that have been twenty two campaign? And so I was in Arizona a lot, was covering Arizona He's been a figure. It's always been, oh, I've always had some questions, but I don't I'm not an outer. I'm not, you know, I think everybody should live their truth. So I was interested to see the story that came up today or yesterday rather. And I just want to read a little bit from it. First term Arizona Republican Abe had been living with a senior mail advisor at his Capitol Hill residence . People describe the relationship as closer to his typical member staff er dynamic . The Stafford had been a realtor previously. On may fifth, twenty twenty five, Holmed Miss Floor Votes while on vacation in California with the Staffer a trip he posted about on his private Instagram So people are asking me, what do I know ? I don't know anything besides what is in the story and besides what I can see with my eyes and what you can see with your eyes if you Google it. And so up until the moment where Abamade sends me a dick pick in DMs , I'm going to assume that he is straight and having a really weird relationship with the former realtor that is a senior staffer in his office, and I'm taking no further questions at this time. Jane, do you have anything to add? I would just say that at no point is living with and having a close relationship with seni or staffer good. I think that that goes across all orientations. I think we can all agree. Like there's a version of the story in which the senior staffer in question is a woman and I'd still be like, well, that's screwed up. Don't do that. None of it. Also, like, again, part of the reason why I make the Aaron Schach comparison is because there's a real looks maxing thing going on here. And also because the Aaron Schock story may be one of my absolute favorites. It is a Congressman brought low, brought asunder by an interior decorator who so there's this is like eleven years ago. So Aaron Schrock representative . He has redecked he has redec orated his office and a Washington Post reporter is there to do something. And the interior decorator is also there. And she's like, Hey, do you want a tour ? And that resulted in it was a Downton Abbey themed. It was a Downtown Abbey themed, which I yeah, you know, again, not casting aspersions, should have been a tell. You might be stunned to know that Aaron Schott came out like several years later. Yeah, now he's like Instagram with sels. And he got to a weird, there's a weird Venezuela scandal with him. He's trying to get in on the Venezuela cash. Of course. Much love to people of Venezuela by the way horrific earthquakes have you? Absolutely. But yeah, the interior decorator brought his entire political life down, which is funny. All right. We're over, but I want to don't want to deny people six of the topics. So we'll go rapid fire on the final two. We each get to pick one. Short, we're gonna have to just try to contain ourselves and we'll leave the other four for a future date. WNBA , AI U tills , nineteenth Amendment , prosecuting women, Brandon Soresby, Diana Rosini, Jane Coston, what's what's your final choice? WNBA needs to do a better job of cutting down on fouls. They've been trying to, but not really. Also, it's telling whenever people talk about Caitlyn Clark, it's always people for whom I'm like, can you name other white heterosexual WNBA players or any WNBA player. The Kayla Carter discourse pissed me off so much because it's like, hey , maybe it is true. I try to watch WNBA. My complaint with WNBA is like the season timing is weird. I'm a prime possible audience member and it's I do make it kind of challenging for me to get into it. I'm doing I think that the market like there could be ways that they could improve on the marketing side of things. It's a fair critique. And I will also say like their games are blowing up like the, you know, viewership everything's up. They're doing great. They have all these old white guns. The degree you wish are like, hey, I don't watch the WNBA, but they seem

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