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It's Peter Hamby. What's up Brahm? Hey man, how you doing? I'm doing well. I'm on demand. So I've got my Gator L hereight, rapid rehydration, and we're doing pretty good. Better than yesterday's podcast. We're going to really nerd out as is our want on campaign politics. I had a lot of results last night that are interesting. The takes are flying. Before we get to kind of going around the map, I just want to pick out a couple of things from the Maggie Haverman and Jonathan Swann book. I think we'll probably go deep on this next week, but some of the excerpts are leaking out there. I guess we should start with the JD Marco stuff. Yeah. They had this anecdote in the book about how Trump has redirectorated the office. Famously to put a lot of gold flourishes in there. Many listeners are unhappy with my take about how I just I think the More is more affect is a little bit better than what Biden had in the Oval Office. People don't like it. It's my least popular take, but I'm standing by it. Anyway, I haven't heard this take from you, sorry , you think that you should do sort of maximalist decorations in the Oval Office. I like the maximalist decorations. When you see the images of Biden, you see the side by side, Biden's palid skin with like the gray off white walls. It's just not good. I feel like as millennials, one of our big misses is everybody we tried to minimize everything was being streamlined. You know, everybody's houses were more clean , a lot more whites and off whites, you know, it's like the Cracker Barrel redesign. I hated the cracker barrel redesign. Yeah, it's like that coffee shop we went to in slow those years ago where there's like and by the way I'm, guilty you can see behind me having like hanging ivy, but you know, the yeah, exactly the beige countertops and the sort of the sign where you put in the letters to order your flat white or whatever and they're playing like a low Taman Paula beat you. I don't by the way, Biden definitely wasn't doing that. But I do think though the colors kind of work actually maybe even the lighting, things do feel a little brighter in there when you see the camera pool. They feel brighter. So anyway, I mean, I wouldn't do like everything like Home Depot gold but I just think as a general matter , a little more maximalism is good. Anyway, Trump was asked about whether he's worried that his successor will undo all that he had done design wise. And this probably is a real worry for Trump. And his response was the Cubans love gold. This little slide Trump responds. He likes to do this. He has to play these guys off each other. And you know, he's got he's got JD, you know, eaten shit right now on the Iran deal. I don't really buy it at that Marco is passable for the Republican electorate. But I don't know, I'm just curious what you make of all of it. I talked about this the other day with Julie Yafi on my podcast. Thanks for the shout out. We're on YouTube now, the Powers that be. If you go to polling, and I did this the other day with some of our echelon polling, they basically test every question in their battery among Maga Republicans and party first Republicans. Now you, Tim and maybe some Bulwark listeners would have once identified as a party first Republican, like the more traditional Bush McCain Reagan types before Donald Trump came along. It's been a minute. It's been a minute. But they're still out there to an extent and they tested and I just actually looked in the cross tabs, those are horse race numbers for Republicans twenty twenty eight and Marco loses to events among party first Republicans , but not by that much. And he's been creeping up in polls. He's I can't remember the number of top my head, but say he was losing to JD by like thirteen points in that horse race poll. Pretty good place to be. Like I was I always think heading into presidential primaries you'd, rather run from behind and be the front runner the whole time , but JD is crushing Marco among Maga Republicans. Those Trump first Republicans by thirty or forty points. And like, look, that's the party and you can't win the primary without those voters. Exactly. And look, I think JD is definitely out there eating shit in the in the sense that, you know, no one in the foreign policy blob thinks this memorandum of understanding is anything more than a junior high school level like document in terms of diplomacy. It's unpopular. The war is unpopular. JD is also hawking his book right now, which means he's like has this previously booked media tour . So he's out there. And I think Trump kind of likes the heat shield, honestly, he likes that JD will go out there and eat shit. And this also comes up in Maggie and Jonathan's book, but Trump can't really talk anymore . Like he's got like a Madlib bucket of like forty words that he grabs into. And he's like it could be any question. It could be a question about Ukraine and he'll reach in and be like autop en, you know, like whatever strong whatever it is. Yeah . And you know, look, I think that if JD's eating shit with the press and the foreign policy establishment, Republicans on Capitol Hill, especially Republican senators and the median voter out there, independent voter who doesn't like Trump, doesn't like JD Mans, doesn't like the war. But the whole ball game is really the Republican primary at this point if they're looking around the bend and you know, maybe this is a cynical political perspective to have for JD Vance, but if you're him , you know, I think you'd rather just completely own being a Trump loyal soldier than try to do this dance where you're like half in and half out and completely own the America first thing, which is like, I mean, even though it's an embarrassing MOU and it's total surrender and it's humiliating, it does put him in the position of being like, I wanted us out of this as opposed to being the one that one of us in. So I think that helps you. The only fun wrinkle in it is who knows what the fuck eighty two year old dementia Riddle Trump is going to want to do in two years. And we'll talk about his aging next, but like try to do something crazy , obviously, what exactly that will look like, who knows. But assuming he moves on to retired life at Marlago or in the ADU bunker underneath the White House , like he will not do what Bush did. Like it's not like he's going to go away and paint, right? Like he's going to like tweet and play ball. Yeah. Yeah. And so could he drag Marco across the line of JD pissed him off? Like, sure. My reaction to that at first was like do Cubans like gold? Like where do that come from? I mean, Cubans like baseball and coffee and Cubans are very patriotic. The Cuban Americans are I just actually Googled this cigar . AI is so dumb and wrong sometimes and they just make things up because they're scraping like a Reddit thread this is Gemini . I asked do Cubans love gold? Yes, Cubans generally have a strong cultural affinity for gold in Cuban culture, bold gold jewelry, most notably the iconic interlocking Miami Cuban link chain necklace is deeply valued as a symbol of success, prosperity, and resilience. So if we see Marco in a pit bull style cubic chain like a hefty gold chain that's funny. That's funny. You mentioned that Trump can't talk anymore. These are a couple other things from the book . He was also having trouble hearing, asking people to repeat questions they just asked Hayron and Swan wrote, they started to have press conferences with world leaders in the Oval Office because the acoustics were better than in the bigger Eastern where they had been holding those meetings . I find this hard to believe, but I guess these people would know the people around Trump say that the thin verbal filter that he had in the past was gone, stuff that he used to only say in private. He's now saying publicly . I liked this one. Trump was upset about the coverage of his cankels. We did extensive Kankles coverage here on the Bulwark YouTube feed, so I'm happy to hear that bothered him. And he asked the press secretary to address it during a media briefing. Some thought that was an odd topic, but it was in keeping with his obsession with his declining appearance . And like this stuff we see publicly , but I think that it's pretty notable over the last year that he's visibly declined. And I think that there was a lot of frustration during the campaign that it was like, why isn't Trump's age as much of a deal as Biden's? And like it was a fair fine point to make as an academic exercise, but he just didn't seem like he was declining as much as Biden, just in like the physical characteristics . And that is happening to him now. There's also the makeup on his hands thing . I think that Maggie and Jonathan reported on and the neck now, the neck, the hand is of you're in the White House , if you have access to the best physicians in the country, and it's very clear he cares about his appearance given his hair and orangeness , but he has to show his hands on camera and briefings or whatever. And people eagle eyed, people on Twitter like zoom in on his hands. You think they have like better kind of concealer . Like it's like mismatched makeup. And so in other words, instead of getting the press secretary to go out there and like talk about the can , which by the way, didn't they say something? Like shouldn't Caroline Levit talk about his venous insufficiency at one point from the podium, I believe, that's the cause of the swelling. Yeah. So clearly like they did. I also thought you were going to bring up and this wasn't in the book, but Stat News reported this the other day the fact that this is a that was an incredible scoop that I forget which it was either the government or the pharmaceutical company cleared a single use dosage ruitide, which is basically like an uncleared peptide. I'm sure RFK Jr uses it. It's like a GLP one, but it also makes you jacked like a you know, I live in LA, I know people who do like peptides and like get shredded off . I didn't write it out because I was deferring to your expertise on this. Thank you. Yes. The White House wouldn't address it. So it's like a non denial denial. It's not approved for anyone at that age using it. And federal health officials got involved. It was a great scoop. It was just very obviously clear that the White House got this for a seventy that says a seventy nine year old man earlier this year in April. He's now eighty. And I just wanted your take on this actually because he looks kind of the same weight . Like if he is on a GLP one he's certainly like slimmer. Like remember during the playoffs when the White House was posting like him at courtside at a knicks game from like the nineties, not that he could name or pick a Mari Stotamier out of a lineup, but they were like talking about how much of a mixture was. He looked like a chubo in the nineties. Like he had like a puffy face and stuff . He does look like slimmer than back then , but even compared to a few months ago , if he is taking a GLP one, he doesn't look skinnier. Yeah. No, he looks still hefty to me . Yeah, I think he still would be wearing the man's ear. You know, there was also the other Swan Haberman anecdot e was that his room, his bed, I don't like to really think about his bedroom, but his bedroom in the White House is apparently disgusting. Like there are like candy wrappers everywhere and like I guess he like binge gorges at night at the end and like leaves like disgusting food wrappers everywhere and stuff. So I just like that you switched you came out with binges which I, think would be the proper health term and just switched it to gorges as an admir . And so like instead of, you know, and if he was having the rare fat shot, you know, that is only available , you know, on a compassionate basis. He kind of teases other people about the fat shot like the Trump RX . gov initiative includes like you can buy direct from the pharmaceutical companies a variety of drugs which he says is a negotiated discount . And he talked about the Fat Shot a lot when they launched this a few months ago. And he would poke fun at people like donors. He's like, I know a heavy set guy, like a fat guy. Yeah. I won't say who he is, but he takes the fat shot. Like he makes fun of other people . Fat shot. Yeah. But it seems pretty clear he has taken the fat shot. I think that it's very possible that the President of the United States has taken an experimental fat shot. But I don't know that we fully know for sure. Could be another seventy nine year old well connected fatty. It could be. But didn't they accelerate didn't I don't know ? Could be. Didn't they accelerate during COVID ? Like remember when he got COVID? Like did they accelerate? He did take some experimental COVID medicine. 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You know, that is causing some consternation among the New York establishment. Tis James was offering this morning. How she's a little bit concerned about this . You sent me some good analysis from the Yambi land account on social media, which I follow religiously as a avowed Yambi. And he kind of I think summed up the level of concern about these types of letyf challengers thus . Mom, Donnie seems like a cool dude who really knows how to vibe with all kinds of folks. The second wave of DSA people don't have the same vibe. They're going to say a bunch of shit that scares the host and will end up hurting progress ives. This will open up a huge lane for ours in twenty twenty eight. I'm not sure if it's going to open up a huge line for ours twenty twenty eight, but a lot here, let's just kind of talk about first about like the winning DSA challengers . Yeah, look, I think you're absolutely right as giving Democrats, mainstream Democrats a lot of heartburn. Someone texted me last night . The good thing about the Mom Danist purges when they come is that they don't believe in prisons . And look, I mean, I want to get into some details of these races. And you know, I think it's also fair to look at this as a limited New York slash M om Danny phenomenon because we we've talked about this. I mean, Mom Danny , despite saying he has his music taste is pretty limited when he came on the Bullark podcast when he was running for mayor, is a people throw this word around like generational talent, but he is. He just is. He just is. He just is. He's got it if you like you said the other day, like if he wasn't born in Africa, like we'd be talking about him running for president. And like, this is one thing . It's that this time, twenty eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. He's magnetic , he's good at social media, all of the sort of like tactical superficial stuff. Yes, but remember, yeah, he ran as a socialist and a free Palestine candidate. And that spooked a lot of mainstream Democrats and Jews, of course. And like APAC hates him. And you know, this is the reason Dan Goldman lost in the city , like the free Palestine movement has replaced the COVID safety movement and which replaced the pro climate sunrise movement. Like there's a through line of like young people in cities there. But he also is governing as a like, you know, a pothole guy. He was out there shoveling the snow less inside the gays love wearing the twelve thousand holes filled shirt . Yeah , but you know, instead of like during his campaign even, he acknowledged he did the defund the police thing and then broke bread with the cops and hasn't talked shit about cops. Increased increased police funding. That's happening again. Also out here in LA with Natha Roman, who is DSA affiliated at full DSA , who was a defund person who is now running away from that. And Karen Bass is flogging her with that. But back to New York, you know, he's governing not as a socialist ideologue . And on top of the fact that he's got Mega Rizz and his young and his speech about the before the Nictixory V Parade, I was talking to people out here in my friend group who like aren't DSA these people at least weren't DSA fans and orzoron fans like that's one of the best speeches I've ever seen. Like he just makes politics rel atable and tangible to people in a way that doesn't feel academic. Now these other candidates who won last night and there are also a bunch of people that went to the State Assembly , these are not as charismatic candidates . And in the case of Chevalier , I think that tweet from Yimiland is correct, which is that , you know, she , by the way, one reason I'm wearing this jersey, she said she was rooting against the World US and the World Cup. Let me run through her greatest hits. Can we just do that? Because look, just in these other candidates, Valdez like seems like, I mean, she's left, but like kind of a conventional Bernie style left. Yeah, but also like labor, labor left. Yeah. Yeah, lander , we talked about the Goldman deal yesterday. Look, Lander has played this very well. And like one thing that was funny, the one you mentioned that when Zorong came on my pod, the question that caused the controversy about asking about like whether he condemns like globalized antifata. One of the reasons why I was like, that was totally fair question and he shouldn't have bungled it was that they had asked the same question at the debate a week before and Lander gave this great nuanced answer to it as somebody who's like a Jew and wants Israel to be safe and like he wouldn't say it for that reason, but he's also upset about the way that Israel's acting now. Like Lander just had like definitely navigated the situation the kind of changing views on Israel's behavior and yeah, he would have beaten anybody in a primary. He was an extremely strong candidate. I don't know. Should we call her Darieliza, Chevalier or DAC? I kind of like DAC is an AOC easier to say or Nicole DAC. I want to read you some of her hits . She attended a pro Palestinian rally in Times Square on october eighth , twenty twenty three . So the day after the october seventh terrorist attack, Brad lander left the DSA over their promotion of that same rally. She had thousands of posts and reposts expressing support for abolishing police prisons and borders as well as seizing private property. She rejected you know how some of the lefties tried to spin that like abolished the police was more of just like this kind of more of a saying. It didn't mean like literally defund the police. It was a body was a budget procedure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was kind of a more of a bumper sticker thing. It wasn't No, she rejected that and says no, it means ending policing full stop period, no more police at all ever clap emoji, clap emoji, clap emoji, clap emoji. So there was her review on that. She was then asked about this in this campaign on this New York editorial board thing that Ben Smith is doing. She was asked four times about what to do about murders and whether they should go to jail and she couldn't answer that question. She posted fuck Kamala Harris. She called Joe Biden a rapist . She said that all deportation is wrong. And as you mentioned, she said she was rooting for Senegal in the World Cup. I googled this morning. She does not appear to be Senegalese, so I don't know why she has some Dominican and Venezuelan origin, maybe also some I don't know, but she said she was rooting for Senegal in the World Cup. And she also has said that when she couldn't find a napkin, she wiped her dirty hands on the American flag. So that's you're saying she's a bulwark candidate. I don't know, man. I mean, I'm open to creative ideas for ways that the Democratic should try to do things differently, but that's I'm not vibing on that. She called white women ugly colonizer women sort of also said she was going to interracial marriage at one point, I think. Yeah, look, I mean, I think this is what I'm getting at. And Bernie to his credit over the years really has focused on economic populism, yes, class warfare , you know, taxing the rich, billionaires. He's very uncomfortable with cultural issues . He never, you know, he was more, he was more aligned, you know, in the early Trump days and pre Trump days with, you know, labor unions. He's still sorry, but like back in the twenty nineteen primaries, twenty twenty when the Democrats were all raising their hand to like decriminalize border crossings. Like, that's not Bernie. Bernie like, you know, he's from a rural state, like he, you know, isn't like a gun anti gun or crusader or gun safety person. These are cultural issues just aren't his bag. He cares about economic issues. And that 's that always set him apart from AOC , who did have prison abolition tweets and does or has at least talked about intersectionality and pronouns in her bio , you know, whatever however many genders James Talerico thinks there are. And so that's, I think, what I'm getting at with Mom Danny is for all of his, yes, he's he's when asked about Israel, APAC and Palestine , he talks about it with reporters . But front of mind for him, messaging is like constituent services and like affordab ility and those things that despite his DSA branding and history, he's governing as just a mayor. And like Chevalier , you know, she's going to get to Congress and it's by, the way, Valdez is also like, don't send any money to Israel, not even Iron Dome. Okay, but again, I think she's more rigorously on message. I mean, that's going to be the majority position on the Democratic Party. I think but you know, I can see Chevalier getting to Congress and being a louder, more lightning rod version of, you know, Rashida Slave. Like she seems like she's a poster. She can't help herself. She is one of these like extremely online , you m knowill,ennial Gen Z cuspers who has made social justice their entire personality . And a lot of savior politicians, I think and who's to say if she's savvy or not because she won, but she's going to go to Washington after having won a D plus thirty district and a lot of New Yorkers are like this, whether they're in politics or not, they think New York's center of the universe and that she has a mandate , you know, talk about Palest ine and Israel and it's going to be a it's going to be a thorn in the side of Democratic leadership. I'm certain. She I mean, she beat the chair of the Hispanic caucus. So we got to at least recognize that and he ran a horrific campaign. The New York Times did break out which precincts these candidates won in and lost in. And the DSA phenomenon , while they did make inroads last night with black and Hispanics , it continues to be a white affluent phenomenon. One Democrat like close to Jeffrey's told me yesterday that the district that Claire Valdez won in, which is a New York seven , called it the most gentrified district in the country. Like this is the MJ Lenderman, like Bushwick voter, right? Like the white , like Colombia protester like Chevalier. Just on the screen, there's this great video lesson of the her event where it's like showing your next they're all shouting you're next, you're next at Hucky Jeffreys, which shows you that this is going to be a thorn in this side of the establishment. And at some levels, Huckyem Jeffries can probably use some challenging, but yeah, no, it is all it's all dirt bag white people who like are just like your classic stereotype Brooklyn look kind of shouting at hockey and Jeffreys at this event. So yeah. And I think looking at the broader picture from last night, while New York thinks the center of the universe, Mandani himself has political capital and spent it to get his people elected. Now, again, outside of New York , the DSA's success story is not the same.. It's just not Let's just pause that for a second because we're going to go around the world. I have a couple more New York things head on. The sum of this make your point. So you have Richie Torres , who is kind of the most pro Israel Democrat, really, even more so than Dan Goldman, interestingly , he won last night. He didn't have a strong DSA challenger. He did have a challenge that kind of pretended to be DSA kind of, but he's in a more working class district. He's not in the Bronx. It's not as many, you know, college educated . I was like Rentor, so that's notable. New York twelve , which is the district that George Conway ran in, RIP, George Conway. I always just thought there would be better districts for him than that, but nothing but love for George Michael Lasher wins that candidate who's the establishment candidate replacing Jerry Nabler, Jerry Nabler Deorge Londonberg spent like five million like bunch of millions on him. Yeah. He wins that in New York twelve. And then AOC interestingly has no twe ets at the time we're recording this about any of these candidates. I don't know exactly what the plan is for AOC, but she's been very savvy, I think, lately on picking fights, picking battles. Or maybe it turns out to be sav notvy. I don't know who knows, but she has definitely not gone all in with this like kind of DSA crowd to the same degree that you might have thought she would. Yes, she's been over the years like, again, , she had the prison abolition tweets and the intersectionality tweets the lefty cultural stuff, you know, transgender surgeries for prisoners , she has moved away from that. This is her backyard . She is supposedly deeply involved and I think she is deeply involved. She was at the Nix Parade, she was with Mount Donnie, but she, like, whether she wants to run statewide, and by the way, we're talking about the social ists. Kathy Hochl ike has run a great campaign and quashed a potential challenger from the left who dropped out of the race many months ago, or whether AOC wants to run for president. I think she understands that the Chevalier wipe your ass with the American flag thing , that's not going to play in Pennsylvania or North Carolina. She is still unpopular with the median voter, like AOC. Like Democrats and the press are obsessed with the OC. She has work to do with independent voters if she wants to have a larger national profile. But also look at Bernie Sanders. He endorsed Claire Valdez . He endorsed Brad Lander. He did not endorse Chevalier while Mamdani did. Neither did Roe, I noticed Roe has been endorsing a lot of those candidates also didn't end exactly. And maybe that's because like he personally or his team did a vet and they're like she doesn't seem like she's going to keep her eye on the ball, which is, you know, we got to focus on the billionaire class. She's going to be a distraction. And even last night, Bernie congratulated after they won, Valdez and Brad Lander. He did not congratulate Chevalier. And so I think if you are interested in building political power as a leftist in this country , you have to focus on affordability, access to housing and healthcare and try to mitigate as much as possible the social issues that are going to drag you down. I was talking to someone at the NRC, the National Republican campaign committee last night who was just like, Oh my gosh, when they call this race, I'm about to go scorched earth. Like remember in twenty eighteen or twenty twenty and all the house ads, they would shove Pelosi's face in the ads, the Republicans and then AOC when Elon Omar's face would be in there but like Shavali's going to be that person now for Republican admakers and who knows if that matters or not in like frontline districts in Nebraska. Republicans will certainly try to make this person the face of an America hating socialist abolished prisons, you know, Democratic party. The only other thing I'd add to that on AOC is in addition to kind of like the not engaging in some of the potentially more brand harmful , you know, fights that you're seeing in activist circles. She is picking other fights. I mean, she was she's been here in the deep south rallying against the data center video she did was really good. 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There's some there's always this kind of sense that like Democrats are the responsible party and you expect them to be responsible and like Republicans are the children and you don't expect them to. And so like when Democrats do irresponsible things, you really focus on it. So anyway, I do want to bring even handedness to this because there've been some insanely irresponsible Republican fuck ups in primaries too. But just really quick before we get to that around the country last night. So DSA candidates Lost in primaries in Maryland and Utah, Westmore . And this again speaks to like having a charismatic endorsee matters. Like a lot of voters just don't aren't as nerdy as we are. Like aren't in minute thirty three of a podcast where they know the details of every candidate. They're like, I like Z oron. He said these are the people he like. I'm going with it. Westmore did this in Maryland. He's popular in Maryland different type of Democrat obviously. A lot of the Democrats , the ones he endorsed last night when Maryland, he one of his endorsed wins over a Pelosi pick in the Maryland fifth district. He won some of the local races. Then you got to Utah, Ben McAdams who's a more moderate candidate. He wins over a buzzy left candidate, Nate Bluen in the Salt Lake District that I think the Democrats are going to pick up strong dim kind of reformist center left candidate in South Carolina one, Charleston. That was that seat that the Democrats did take the last wave year what that would have been eighteen and then Mace then Mace takes the seat after that. Joe Cuttingham, yeah. Yeah, Jo Cunningham. Yeah, there's been some redistricting since it's not exactly the same seat, but anyway, that's kind of what else was happening around the country outside New York of yesterday. I don't know if you have anything else on that? Yeah, no, I mean Westmore, you know, I think would Bill himself is a results oriented pragmatic Democrat , his pick in Maryland's fifth beatback DSA challenger. By the way, also in New York, I mention ed Hokel in the seventeenth district, which is Mike Lawler , Kate Connley one handily. That's like upper West Chester, Hudson Valley. There was a free Palestine justice person in that race who she act abssolutely curb stomped. You've got Utah. You've got county executive seats in Maryland that DSA people lost in. And this is a larger thing I want to talk to you about is the limitations. The question is is this, a limited phenomenon to New York City, these dense urban strongholds with a lot of affluent, college educated surplus elites, quite frankly , who see politics as a hobby and obviously have issues that they're passionate about, but does it extend beyond New York? Because here in LA, you've got DSA members on the city council who got reelected pretty handling the primary or will win in November. You've got Nithi Roman, who again is not purebred DSA but had some DSA support in the past . And you do have in Seattle , you know, a socialist affiliated mayor you're we're about to have that in Washington DC and so in the blue urban cores, you do see it , but like there's not really like a vibrant DSA in Boston. There's not certainly not in San Francisco right now. Daniel Lurry has swept most of them to the curb . And then you go bigger than just the cities where, you know, sorry, we have a DSA mayor in Chicago who is a flop, that's for sure. You know, you've got Abdul Al Sayed in Michigan. If he wins, that would be the first real kind of statewide I think DSA success story. DSA affiliated, I think it depends if you look at Platinum, but yeah, you're platinum . But look at California, like California twenty two is a great example. So up in the Valley , right? There's this is David Validaya's district. Randy Vegas is a Bernie endorsed candidate, a young Latino guy who advanced to the general election, beat back , you know, the Jeffrey's detrip person. And you know, he's running on yes, he mentioned the APAC, he mentions APAC sometimes, but that district has more people on Medicaid than any district in the country. Like if he's going door to door and talking about Palestine , you know, he gets waxed. But he's talking about affordability and healthcare. And yes, Bernie endorsed him, but that gets to Bernie's antennae. Like this guy's running on working class middle class issues. And so I think a real test will be like that's a front line battleground district with a bernie endorsed candidate who is not in a blue urban core. And so California twenty two will be like a great test case also. C Andaliforn in ia, lots of other socialist wannabes ran and lost all over the state. And yes, it's expensive out here, but so is New York. And so yeah, I mean, I think the candidate charisma thing can't be under counted as a big factor in this race. That Mount Donnie Ad you mentioned during the Nix playoff series was incredible. You had people for signal from him. Millions of people in New York, almost everybody tuned into the Nick's playoff games. Here's an ad and Zoran Mandani, who most people like, although less popular than Daniel Lurry, I should say, one of my Lurry friends told me to say that. He's on camera saying, vote for Chivalay, vote for Valdez, vote for Lanner. Okay, like that's a validator for me. Good. Like and like that's his risk like it's not necessarily they didn't just win because of DSA or because of justice dems or because of, you know, working famil ies party . I mean, I think we can be honest. I think that the and I don't want to get into some counter exemples, but I think that the populace left folks are winning the argument on refocusing on billionaires on economic populism and oh yeah , obviously on Israel and that's not that though. Yeah sure. So that's what I'm saying. I think that like there are a couple of different things happening that's all it's a big diverse country. Things are happening different districts. There's a couple different things that are happening all at the same time. And it's like there's like a brand of like social justice left person who like you said would have been occupied Wall Street person twenty years ago, would have been a climate person ten years ago, would have been, you know, COVID masking, forever masking five years ago. And it's like now this . And it's like an omnicause kind of left activist person. And like that is what is organized being organized in the big cities and it is a lot of college educated affluent whites, you know, but they're in coalition , I think, you know, with a lot of minority voters and they're having success in urban areas like for sure. DAC is like not going to win a primary anywhere else and that's not like a twenty twenty eight path to success, right? Like there's just that there just isn't majority support for that. The question then is more of, okay, what is the right path elsewhere? And like what is the right, you know, what are the things that can be taken from the populace left? Or what types of candidates can win and that's where you look at a Dan Osborne type. You look at maybe Sel Said, we'll see Platiner and different things. It's like, can you run where it is more like a Bernie Sixteen style thing that focuses on the economic and the foreign policy side and deemphasizes the cultural stuff. We're about to find out in November. But like I think that is I think that argument is what's winning. They might not be right, but part of the reason I think they're winning the argument is that there's a lot of frustration among Democrats that like we tried it the establishment's way. We put up Kamala, Joe Biden , Hillary, Trump won twice. Trump won twice. Like people like, I saw this conversation on the internet. Like, why weren't people happier with Dan Goldman and why aren't they happier with Diana Get I'm in Colorado. She's running ads about what about impeachment her work in impeachment. It's like well yeah I'm studying from Dave Wigo it's like Democrat voters aren't impressed with your work in impeachment because Trump fucking win again you know Democratic voters are like, we're looking for something different . Is this thing that is being offered the right thing? I don't know, I wouldn't put my mortgage on it, but I think that it's totally explicable why they're looking for that different thing, given Trump's two time win . What I agree with you on is that you can take the economic populism, whatever the argument, like the power utilities are driving up rates for you or you know, you can't afford the rent, export those anywhere in the country. I agree with you on that. The social justice, cultural stuff, I think like you said, no one agrees that that can be exported. I think the common takeaway also is the generational aspect and the fact that I think Democratic leadership in Washington and the older generation just doesn't understand the anger of the base right now. And this happened with Crowley and AOC in twenty eighteen, and the issue set was a little different and it was a different era and that was the first Trump term. But this just restive democratic base that says you guys not only aren't doing enough, but you have failed. And I think this is what we're trying from this up and coming generation who's screaming that these ossified leaders haven't done anything for you. That's valuable for sure. And I think that is a signal lesson that we've been seeing across primary elections everywhere. Like that's absolutely the case . This is Matt Rogers from Los Culturists with Matt Rogers and Bo and Yang. This is Bo Yang from Los Culturists with Matt Rogerson, Boen, Yang. Hey, Bowen, is it just mayor or does it feel like nothing is actually what it says it is anymore? Yeah, like when you order chicken fingers, you don't get fingers. You get mystery nuggets. Exactly. Well, except hotels. com. I was say ye goingah to hotels . com because they do hotels. Refreshing. And when booked as a member, rewards are earned every stay, not points that disappear, rewards that work like cash and can actually be used. So the name checks out and the perks do too. Yep. Members can get up to twenty percent off tons of hotels with no blackout dates. Just works with real travel. Okay , that tracks. Hotels dot com it's all in the name. Hey, what up y'all? Summer moves like a great jam session. You start with one idea, one direction, and then it shifts, somebody calls. Energy changes. You take a detour. That's the beauty of it. For me, summer's always been about discovering new sounds, new places, new people, new ideas. You start one place, end up somewhere completely different . And somehow that's exactly where you're supposed to be. I've always had my spots along the way. Starbucks has been one of those constants before session, on the way to a gig, and between conversations that turn into something bigger than you expected. It's part of that movement, part of that rhythm. The summer's got its own soundtrack too. You can almost hear it without trying. Life's happening all around you, that feeling of staying open to whatever's next. Sometimes it's the smallest things that lock you into that moment. What you're holding, what you're sipping, the new tropical butterfly refresher from Starbucks. Guava and Passion Fruit Flavors with Mango Pineapple flavored pear ls. Cold, colorful, alive . Feels like something made for the day that's still unfolding. And that's the thing. Sometimes one small stop changes the whole mood of your day. Start your summer rhyth m with Starbucks. Try the new tropical butterfly refresher from Starbucks Let's look at some of the Republican fails. We're going to rapid fire through it. Nobody is talking about the Georgia. I don't if know somebody are but are you saying the media is too focused on New York and doesn't understand red and purple states or leave their cultural and academic and elite bummles? Maybe Peter, or maybe these races are just kind of boring and so there's not as much to talk about. But so I will try to make a dramatic statement right now about the races in Georgia and North Carolina that will hopefully drive attention to races that are boring. I think that the Republicans are going to stop spending money in either George North Carolina or both by the end of the year. I think they're both going to give up on both of those races in the Senate. Roy Cooper, here are the last five polls in the North Carolina Senace.ator R Roy Cooper plus fourteen plus eleven plus seven plus nine plus eight. Like that feels non real. Trump won North Carolina. In Georgia , here's the money disparity . Collins, a Republican, has just one million on hand as of may twenty seventh. Osoff has thirty two million. He raised sixty . Osov is running a perfect race. Collins, the Republican is, I have to bring this up because of producer Ansley. Remember the Old Miss Kids doing the monkey noises? Oh yeah. That's the black woman. Mike Collins posted a video of that on Twitter saying Old Miss taking care of business and then the video of the monkey noises. So I don't know how that's going to play in Atlanta, but I think quite poorly . And so the Republicans have somehow managed to like take two southern Senate seats like basically off the board by summer . That's pretty good incompetence. No, absolutely. I mean Wallie, the Republican nominee in North Carolina is just a great example of the downsides of this late stage Trump ism where he just won the primary because he's a Trump function and is a lifeless political talent. You know, despite being a former RNC chairman, he's also not doing a great job raising money. But the Georgia race also that interests me is the governor's race because and this is also kind of a symptom of Trumpism. You have this I think he's a car dealer, the Rick Jackson guy. The healthcare executive. Healthcare. Okay, well , there was Burt Jones, lieutenant governor who tried to help him steal the election in twenty twenty. That's right, that's right. Then you have this rascally outsider spending all of his money, promising outlandish things , and he wins the primary despite Trump endorsing Bert Jones. And I've been saying this recently a lot. If you look at Iowa, look at Ohio and also Georgia, this is another strength for Georgia. You've got this tandem going on on the Democratic ticket where you've got a very strong well funded Senate candidate and John Ossoff , and you know, Keisha Lance Bottoms perhaps not as popular but safe sort of governor choice who will play well in Atlanta and they may be some of the Atlanta suburbs and you know, possibly among pockets of rural black folks in that state balancing each other out. Like Osf will need to get some black voters out and Lance Bottoms will help him. And I just think that that compared to the Republican dysfunction . You can just kind of read the writing on the wall in certain races in midterm years. Like the environment is so bad, there's candidate talent, there's money, like fundamentals still count for something. And I'm with you, like Georgia. If you if I'm a national republic an and I'm looking at the map, I'm like, shit, we could put ten million dollars on air in Georgia this week in October , or we could do that in Ohio or we could do that in Alaska. Shit, even Texas. Or you could try steal to Michigan, maybe. I think if we're trying to go on offense, take a shot. I don't know, I think that's probably unlikely, but it feels more likely. The Republican Senate committee just rake stepping all over the south and that's enjoyable. You mentioned in addition to Trump losing Trump is losing his touch on the governor's race endorsed. You mentioned he lost the Georgia governor's race in Dorsey in Iowa. He endorsed Andy Fendstrom over the Cockering Magnate. And then last night, his South Carolina endorsement choice lost . Got dropped your neck absolutely fucking wax. Can I say that word on the bulwark sorry listeners? Yeah. Obviously this is this was fascinating and didn't get enough coverage and also kind of shows how like I don't know, Washington reporters kind of miss the forest of the trees sometimes. The South Carolina governors race. There's a crowded field . The Lieutenant Governor , Pam Evett, the Lieutenant governor at Henry McMaster who was one of Trump's earliest endorsers. You know, his team lobbied the Trump political team at the White House for an endorsement because the Trump endorsement always wins primaries . Trump gave this perf unctory, half hearted true social endorsement, which he's wont to do in his Kenkel's era . And you know, his heart wasn't in it. Like he didn't go there to barnstorm the state. He's busy. There's a war Iran. I get it . But Evot like just totally flopped. She won the primary barely, I think, by didn't even hit thirty percent. I know it's a crowded primary. I can't think of any Republican primary team in the entire Trump era where one of his endorsed candidates only got thirty percent. And so I wrote for Puk like, well, this is bad news. This is a huge flop. People like someone from Roll Call was like Trump's candidates won, go to the runoff. Alan Wilson, the attorney general , he won by like thirty points all over the state. He won every county. He won Greenville County. And like some of that is candidate talent. Like they didn't scrutinize this person. When you're lieutenant governor, like you don't do anything. She's the opposite of Mom Danny, like zero Riz . And you know, Trump's gov candidates, he's lost three endorsements. And I'm not saying the mag ic has worn off because when they put their sweat and money into beating people they don't like in Indiana in Kentucky with Thomas Massy, the Trump people pull it off. But when they just sort of like fire off this half hearted endorse ment on true social , like, you know, I think some voters like want a little more than that. I'm surprised that Nancy Mace's attack on Alan Wilson that he protected sexual abusers and he dismissed child porn cases. I'm surprised that didn't land. I don't know if that's because South Carolina voters are like pro Epstein now or because they think that Nancy Mace is crazy. I mean, having lived in Colombia , like there's just a lot of personal rivalries there for things that we can't even think about. Like Nancy Mace and Alan Wilson and Tim Scott, you know, they were in the state house back in the day. Like there's probably some they probably like or miffed each other or that someone didn't like buy them a drink in five points in like two thousand seven and like that manifests itself today Somebody slept with somebody else's staff or not Tim Scott because we got to respect asexuals. They're part of it's Pride Month. They're part of the LGBTQI plus community, but it's one of the other two might have . This is Matt Rogers from Los Culturists with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bo and Yang from Los Culturists with Matt Rogers and Boen Yang. Hey, Bowen, is it just made or does it feel like nothing is actually what it says it is anymore? Yeah, like when you order chicken fingers, you don't get fingers, you get mystery nuggets. Exactly. Well, except hotels dot com. I was gonna say yeah, hotels dot com 'cause they do hotels. Refreshing. And when booked as a member, rewards are earned every stay, not points that disappear, rewards that work like cash and can actually be used. So the name checks out and the perks dude too. Yep. Members can get up to twenty percent off tons of hotels with no blackout dates. Just works with real travel. Okay, that tracks hotels dot com it's all in the name. Hey, what up y'all? Summer moves like a great jam session. You start with one idea, one direction, and then it shifts, somebody calls. Energy changes. You take a detour. That's the beauty of it. For me, summer's always been about discovering new sounds, new places, new people, new ideas. You start one place, end up somewhere completely different. And somehow, that's exactly where you're supposed to be. I've always had my spots along the way. Starbucks has been one of those constants before a session, on the way to a gig, and between conversations that turn into something bigger than you expected. It's part of that movement, part of that rhythm. The summer's got its own soundtrack too. You can almost hear it with out trying. Life's happening all around you, that feeling of staying open to whatever's next. Sometimes it's the smallest things that lock you into that moment. What you're holding, what you're sipping. The new tropical butterfly refresher from Starbucks Guava and Passion Fruit flavors with mango pineapple flavored pearls. Cold, colorful, alive. Feels like something made for the day that's still unfolding. And that's the thing , sometimes one small stop changes the whole mood of your day. Start your summer rhythm with Starbucks. Try the new tropical butterfly refresher from Starbucks. Speaking of Pride Month, any other any additional thoughts on the Iowa Conquering Vibrating Conquering magnet the Republicans have nominated. We spent a lot of time in Iowa. Firm Tech is a sexual health company Tam .blin And I just haven't had a chance to get mine charged yet. We appreciated the gift that the firm tech people sent me, and you know, we'll see. We'll give a review at some point. Eleanor would like your review on camera, please. Thanks. I don't know. Don't seem like a great nominee. Things still run at a pace for Rob Sand there in the Iowa Governor's race. All right, are we going to get to dessert? Oh wait before dessert no, I promised you, we if're gonna have you back on, you were smeared. Your reputation was smeared on the Bulldog Pilot previously. I guess it's not a smear. A smear would be saying something about someone that is untrue. You were attacked. You were attacked on the board podcast by my and John Fabrell . In love, it was a loving attack because, you know, your takes , we're all out here slinging takes all the time. And so we have some misses. We'll get into one of mine , but you were a little bit, a little bit more bullish on Spencer Pratt than maybe it merried it. That's my point. A little more bullish. Let me revisit . I had not a tape. You didn't have to do this. A deeply reported article examining whether Spencer Pratt can win in Los Angeles both as an influencer candidate and as a crime and public safety republican and expand his appeal beyond just white people in Los Angeles. That was the premise of it. Turns out the answer was extremely no, no, not even close which I answer turns out journalists wrote that he has no appeal with black and Latino voters if anyone read below it. Anyway, I felt smeared because you lumped a factual statement, which is that Spencer Pratt went around Los Angeles , and he never mentioned Donald Trump and talked about Daniel Lurry as his role model, whether that was phony or not. You won't bet in with a bunch of like right wing Tommy Larryn, Clay Travis takes about how Spencer Pratt was going to save L. A. And then you were like, and here's Peter Hamby and you were both like laughing at your friend. I thought that was silly and a john , you know, also Bud, but like , I'm sorry guys. There was one poll showing Niffi Roman is fine. Okay. Los Angeles politics. You were a little thought that Nither Roman was going to make the runoff except for like a handful of people in Silver Lake. Everyone thought Spencer Pratt was going to make the runoff, but those same people, no one thought he was actually going to win the election. And so I just thought as two active miss. That's a lot of journalists just writing an article. Okay, there was a miss , it was a miss . And because of that, I wanted to give you the opportunity to fire back on any bad takes you think of me or Jon Avat. I'm not going to concede that it was not a miss, it was a miss, but Favs and I also miss. And so I just wondered if I'm giving you an open swing. We'll do FAVs than you. So John and his team campaigned very hard for Karen Bass in twenty twenty two on their content activations Rick Caruso, a board billionaire who can't do the job of running LA . Again, a lot of people here probably regret that. You know, that was like pre that was like twenty twenty two just partisanship, like vote for the person with the D next . But I think that that action, you know, we have since seen because of Karen Bass, that it has its limits. I don't want to like talk shit too much. I don't know who John voted for, but why do you think that the pod bros, you don't have to, I'll talk shift for you. I do think that the Pod bros maybe I've had a change of tune on Karen Ben. No, but they want they want Nithi Rama now. And it's funny, I'm put them aside. There are lots of Democrats here who just like will be on Instagram saying Karen Bass is a disaster that, you know, she has failed the city . The very same people who four years earlier were saying that Karen Bass was going to save L A against an anti abortion mini Trump billionaire named Rick Caruso. It's like, you guys voted for this person, you know, and you're allowed to change your minds, I guess. But it just like it looks just kind of silly in hindsight . And speaking of smears, they were smearing with Caruso. It would've been kind of a Daniel Lurry style. This is my main trick with your friends of Pratt thing is that Pratt wasn't really that much like Lurry, but Caruso was. I didn't say Caruso like Lurry style or my bad take which I'll nominate for myself because I was getting dunked on all over social media this week for this. This is kind of the danger of potting . I had like an argument that I had formulated like years ago that was nuanced take what Obama should have done with regards to the Merrick Garland nomination that I shorthanded when the conversation with Tanahasi Coats in a way that made it like actually wrong. I'd said to Tanahas i that Obama should have just jammed through Merrick Garland , which many people rightly were making fun of me for because they were like he couldn't do that. They're only forty six Democratic senators. The point that I meant to make that I didn't was that in that moment , like Obama quit campaigning for that. Let's go to see. And like there were really and he had two options. Yeah, he thought the norms would prevail. The reality is like he thought this started because Coates was bringing up that Obama didn't believe Trump could win. And because he didn't believe Trump could win, it's kind of like they nominated Garland and it's like, whatever, Hillary will clean this up next year when like really should be one or two things, right? Like go this will be less appealing to the coats crowd, but like go to the Republicans and say who could I nominate that you would bring up and like actually work with them on someone . may Andbe they never would have done that. I don't know, but you could have put pressure on them. Or like used Barack Obama's skill set to actually go out and make this a major campaign issue, that they're blocking this and that they want to take away your abortion rights and et cetera, et cetera. And like they didn't really do either of those things. It wasn't a campaign issue in twenty sixteen. It was but like did he really campaign to get Merrick Garland through? I mean, like really, like to the degree that the Republicans campaigned for Supreme Court justices? Like was there anything comparative I went to good old Wikipedia and tried to remember the one hundred fourteenth Congress. And there were forty six, forty four Dems, two independents, forty six Democrat s. So if he swapped out Garland , like which of these Republicans would have , you know , disobeyed Mitch McConnell and voted for the replacement like Kelly Aot Danes, like Murkowski? McDowski. I don't know who would have flipped. Maybe I guess, but I don't know. People were pretty beholden to Mitch McConnell at that point. It's a fair point. I mean, you are clearly wrong. I was clearly wrong . To a fair point, I was clearly wrong. I remember at the time feeling like it was a lame duck effort that there was a little bit of senioritis and it was like, we're going to put Garland up. And I think Coates' argument, which maybe a better one . It's like if you're not going to be able to get it through, don't put up me garland, like put out somebody that people be very excited about and make it a campaign issue, you know, so people realize I will tell you in twenty sixteen, let me just put it this way. I was totally wrong, but like, I do think this is this is important learning. It's like I remember in twenty sixteen speaking because this was really more my world to many anti Trump Republican types, college educated Repub,lican types, one of our mutual friends, grandmothers, somebody that I would mention on this. And she was says to me, you know, I don't like him, but I got to vote for him over the courts. You know, I got we have to vote for him over the Supreme Court because there's going to be an appointment up . And I just don't think that same thing was happening going the other way. Like I don't think that there was a big effort to be like, you have to vote for Hillary because they're going to take away your abortion rights. This has been a minor preoccupation mine for a long time actually because for whatever reason covering Republican politics for so long and you know, that's how I know you from the pre Trump era. Like I just read a lot about the evangelical movement and you know their alliance with Republican