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From The City of Birmingham vs Carl HutchinsonJun 16, 2026

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Hello and welcome to the Carul Hutchinson podcast. I'm your host Caul Hutchinson. This might be the first one that I'm doing this year with the the Hay fever stuffed nose. So that's back. good news I was getting some funny looks at the gym in in Nufffield here in Birmingham when I actually I did a double banger. I forgot to pack headphones and I forgot to pack adequate gym gear. So I used me one gym top yesterday So I just had a regular t shirt on, but in between sets I'm sneezing and I'm just I don't think there's anything wrong with this, right? but I'm sneezing into me t shirt. In fact, I think that's probably the most noble thing you can do really because anything else, it's going on other people, isn't it Even this new thing where people try and like block it with the elbow I'm like I'm not too. I mean, it's better than just like a regular haoo But like, you know, if you cover it with your hands, that's Mkey is out. If you cover it with your arm, where your arm is going to touch something Whereas if you just you put your, I've actually got me top over me, I don't know how this must sound. I've got me top over me mouth and nose now. As if remember how you were supposed to wear a mask back back in fucking lockdown days. God I like mention that and then just and then fucking have at it. just just fucking Pah Oh, sorry, you didn't need to hear that. That was horrible. I'm so sorry. So yeah, I was getting some funny looks at the gym because there was this realization that like that's not sweat. That's that's just He's just sneezing into his top I would best say indiscriminately and the whole like middle of me Of my chest just looked like I'd been sweatating, but I hadn't So hello. What else have I seen Birmingham I saw I just went up to Pret there because I'm going to drive straight home tonight God, I'm so sorry for sniffing,'. I'll the next couple, you know I'm going I'm going to pause and I'm going to do one big one. Okay, there we go. I'm all sniffing out now, hopefully touch wood. So I just saw somebody in Birmingham, right And I was going upstairs to the train station. they just put you at the holiday in at the glee.s fine, like no complaints whatsoever it's a nice nice just to have a lie in, you know, and u And I went up the stairs to the train station to preress to get myself a little sandwich for for the journey home Still don't know what I'm going to listen to yet, but I'll figure that out after I've recorded your listening stuff, right? We've all got listening needs, haven't we? We've all got places to be I tell you one time I bumped into Alan Cochan Another comedian on the train back from London and I think he'd just done like the brereakfast show or whatever or whatever he done, Do't matter. We've both got individual seats in first class, right? and he came over was and he was like, Oh hell, Carl, how are you doing and all that like guy? And there was this look of horror. must have been a look of horror on my face where I'm just Like And I was like, oh yeah, talking. I was like, Hey just so you know, he was like, Ohh, don't worry, don't worry. And he had to like address it. He went As soon as the train pulls off, I'll go back over to my seat. He was, you know, we've all got podcasts to listen to. And I was like, oh, that's good. That's good. You're like, obviously, you know You like chatting to people and all that, but there's a time and a place for it, isn't there it? It's usually the green room. I think that's the green room before the show, you know, you build yourself up Well I do sometimes I build myself up because's like right now I've got to be Now now you've got a chat. now you've got to like be on not on but like, you know Sociable but Christ, if you catch me first thing in the morning, don't expect me to be sociable whatsoever. I'm just, you know, mister headphones, close my eyes and just hope I hope I get home as quickly as possible. But I saw a man riding bike I was coming back down the stairs. And I mean, in fairness, you know what? if he lives far away, fair play. it's something I probably would have contemplated doing and I've just never thought of him before He must obviously live like not walking distance from the city center. He's on his bike so he's got a bike into town and he obviously needs a clothes horse. So I assume, you know he's probably moving in somewhere. You know, I remember doing that when I lived in Manchester. remember U buying like a load of pots and pans and knives and spatulas and you know, all that bollocks and then you need like all the cleaning stuff. I remember buying bleach and toilet cleaner and toilet brushers for the first time, you know, all that all that stuff that you just You don't think of when youre when you're nineteen or twenty and you're just moving away So this guy made us think of that and like other people were laughing at him and I just kind of respect it in a way, but he had like a folded down clothes horse. He was the best way to describe it. he was wearing it. He had like One of the main bits through his head and one of his arms. So he's wearing it as you would imagine like a not like a like a like a strap like a diagonal strap. Yeah, you had like a diagonal strap clothes horse. So fair Bady, youate. I hope you I hope you make it back in one piece. He didn't have a helmet on, but he did have a clothes horse. So if you fall out you're probably going to crack a couple of ribs or whatever, but But hey, look, if you if you were in Birmingham late Satiday night and you saw the same guy let us know let us know if you got home all right God Almighty. I don't know why I'm always surprised. I'm always surprised when I drive to Birmingham. It's just It's the absolute worst. There is no good way to get to Birmingham You get the trin Newcastle to Birmingham. that's supposed to take three hours, but you know, the the The monkey's paw is that you've got to be on a cross country train and that I will I will die in my grave. That's not the expression. I'll die on this hill. that cross country is the worst train you could ever be on. It's just It's just a little bit smaller. They've got some sort of I swear to God, they've got some sort of insulation around the walls where you can't get signal You can even if you've got full five G It will not penetrate the thick plastic walls of a cross country train And so I'm like right fucking I'll drive, but But Sophie needs a car First of all because I'm leaving her, you know for two days with no car So she had to go to Kingston Park. So You know, I didn't want to be like,h, you've thrown a spanner in the works. say like I hope you realize I'm going to have a slightly less comfortable journey now like oh yeah, cheheers Cl. I couldn't give a fuck. You're leaving us with two kids, you know, and no car. So you know, what do you want us to do? I need to get stuff in for the kids holidays for the kids This that and the other and I need to go and get some summer clothes and this I was like right f no just you know, let us know what time you're back. So I didn't get to set off from Birmingham for Birmingham Fromewcastle till twelve o'clock on the Friday. Now it should Birmingham should take no traffic three hours and thirty four. It took five hours. It was like bang on five hours Nothing in particular as well, just like a couple of collisions But no like major crashes, notothing where they were closing any roads or the police were there or anything like that. And just like some lane closures and it's just It was just stop and start, stop and start the whole way. I've never ever had a because I've only been driving right this this is the How long it took Ramseay Rangers M before he was going into Brazilian Ju Jitsu He rangers after he finished Brazilian Jujitsu So that was like an hour and a half, I think And then he rang us when he you he got home, had a shower and then he was back out on the school ro and he rang us then And then he rang us again just to check how me journey was getting on, bless him So I had four phone calls with him, like just before that's how long the call was. honestly. And I didn't stop. I didn't stop. I didn't stop for a weei, I didn't stop for a drink But for some reason as soon as I got there, I oh, by the way, I know Ramsey mentioned the yourour package has been delivered on cheack Marry Annoyid. I don't actually remember the holding the hands thing. I really don't. I'm not I'm not seeing it didn't happen. and You know, I vaguely remember holding short yet sps. On my way walking back, apparently I' turned to the lger and can one use hold me hand becauseuse like I wasn't walking in a straight line because I was steaming. not saying it didn't happen. I just don't remember it, but do I do vaguely remember Holding Shantan. I just assumed it was he was being overly cautious of me and not the other way around. And but And I was I was a bit like a dog as well when they would get back Um just because I was excited to see them, you know, there's there's I don't that like I said, there's not wrong with that, but it was a great a great holiday. and got back got to Birmingham for five o'clock in the afternoon And I park right next I park in the mailbox where the Mal Maison is because I've got a bit of a discount code going on there And It's it's the easiest place to talk for me because it's like As soon as you get off the road, you just look back round aroundound aboutout and then you're there and then you can exit swiftly as well So get there, I need like a big old five hours worth of piss. So I'm going my plan is I always like to do it. I stop at the mall and I go, leave me bags there and I'm going to go to the starbucks and get myself a coffee. But first I'm just going to leave all my stuff, run to the toilet and then wouldn't you know there was one of sign saying watchatch out this is currently being cleaned by female member of stuff and that had like the caution wet floor sign in front of it. And I didn't know if that was like me saying them saying to me that I can't go in orr if that was them just saying watch out But as soon as I went in it became evident that they didn't want us to be in there because she was just giving us a big old look And I really and I was just like I just went high and I just went right into the corner, like furthest away, the furthest Urinal away from her. like stood with me back to her, which is a bit of an unusual stance in her Urinal I wasn't s onto a URinal. I was diagonally onto the URinal stood in the corner with a back do I like I'm in the fucking Blay witch And I was just like in my head, I was just like, I go on, go and say something. please say something. I've been in the fucking car for five hours. Go and say something tryrying to get to this goddamn mother fucking city A God And then I was like, right, okay, I'll go to the I'll go to the mall the u the what do you call it the the starbucks that I like going there. L lot of history in that one. That's the same mile where I stood on the stairs And I watched John Cena tell the whole Liverpool football team did not push in front was watchatching the WWE wrestlers and the Liverpool football team checking out of a hotel t the same time, was it was excellent entertainment And that might be news to you as well, it's in one of the old episodes, I'm sure All all the Patron patronot. com slash Carl Hutchinson. There's currently like forty six, forty seven episodes on there as well I First of all, I was astounded flabberasted at the old checkout themselves as well. Like even John Cena was just checking out with A Anders and stood right there and as was This is how long ago it was it was Rhem Stterlland when he played for for Liverpool as well So yeah, going going back going back sometime but a lot of history in that one Now just watch John S seems to go, Hey man, there's a line like a couple of Liverpool players because they'd been over the Starbucks and then and then thinking they could just jump back into the place like Army mates in front of us He was a heym, was a line. I just watched him tell like three Liverpool players to get behind him. Coolest thing I've ever seen. It was also the same mileway just a couple of seats along. It was at that time was me, Ramseay, Milton Jones, Nish Kuma, Chris Stokes and we were all Milton Jones went and got whiskies for everybody whisky Night caps Ramsey told us not to have a whisky, I insisted that I wanted one and then I think I had two whisky night caps. And similarly, that was that was the same if you go on the on patron dot com slash call Hutchingon, you'll see the how Chris left us on the golf holiday, yourour package has been delivered. That's exactly how I was the night of Milton Jones as well. But only this time I had a backpack on my back. so it was kind of like a turtle in fairness, the Milton Jones night full disclosure. I did we the bed as well. I did we that mal bed all them years ago. No beds were weed on the on the golf trip. so success, success E So I'm there at the Malmis on the Starbucks there And this woman came up to us and because first of all, she was like, excuse me. I'm on the phone to me me accountant and I've got about a three percent battery because the fucking hole in my phone doesn't accept the charging thing anymore. So I've got I've bought one of them shite fucking flat things where you just rest your phone on it. And if you just leave it, for a good fourteen hours. Hey, guess what? your phone's back to one hundred percent, but it's like when do you ever So you have to leave it on charge overnight now really and So I was running the car, I was running the phone in the car with no juice So I hadatnabs going, podcasts going like I normally do, forgetting that my phone's not charged Battery wasting away, drain away, It was awful sh So I'm on the phone of my accountant which just sorting out me corporation tax and Beause I know that it's only June, but like to I like to know. I like to know what I'm paying in next February. You know, if you're not planning financially, what the hell are you doing? you know So I'm sorting all that out and she's go, excuse me and she just had like a load of shite, just like a like a paper club pay back cup a package wrap and thing, a bottle And she was like excuse me, Are you supposed to just put all this rubbish? here Like I work for fucking Starbucks as well, by the way, you silly fucking may And I just look I I was like, sorry so I was texting the accounting and I was like, sorry, Louise, I'll be a second. Yeah, like two minutes like And I just looked and I went damn. Uh yeah, I would assume so. Yeahah, that's that's probably what I'm gonna do. And she just kind of went like, ugh And I was like, well, look, take it up with Starbucks if you don't want to fucking if you know, I mean, I guess it's not great to see, is it? fucking But what I think I made a joke with that I went It looks like it's hiday rules You don't really recycle on holiday, do you? There's never I think it's better we went to Selu for that golf holiday. It was the first time abroad. I see like, you know, special fucking A plastic and paper and this that and the other Most of the time on holiday it's just it's fucking free for all, isn't it? Justs like ah, fuck, just hie the glass and the cardboard in with the banana skins, it'll all be fine. So I just looked at the whole and I went, Yeah, it looks like it's holiday rules. I w want to go for it. and she was like, o o Like it's myault. I was like, Well I don't don't give a fuck. I've just been in the co five hours I'm getting dirty. looks' having a piss. and now you're asking me what the Starbucks recycling policy is that built into the Malmaison hotel in Birmingham. Christ. Oh God, she was a piece of work Itidn't even end there. Then she came over and she went, exxcuse me, I'm going to see Lam M is tonight at the Birmingham at the what was it the NIC Nationalor No NIA, National Indoor arena. I'm sorry for siffing I keep forgetting National Ioor Arena. and I went, o, okay, I'm not from around here. and she was like, ugh I was like, well, look sorry, likeike, but I'm not And do you know what? you're asking people for directions in a fucking hotel. So maybe that should be your first prortocol that people aren't from around here. Again, you silly may Soop if you'll hate saying that.'t I don't know if you know if you're allowed to say that. I tell you, I dont youd tell I don't give a fuck anymore in this podcast as well, don't you? here's something I wouldn't have told you way back when. you know I take when I used to take Lily to the the Aqua aerobics and now I take no not the Aqua. I used to take Lily swimming. now I take Alice swimming in Newfield and the ten o'clock slot would always coincide. So I'm in one lane and then you've got the Aqua aerobic class in the other and they're all loving it. They're all like loving the fact like waving at them You know, Lily and Alice at two different points in their life. And I was like, I really made peace with the Aqua aerobics class because for years and years I used to go there for a morning swim And and Sophie hateses when I say this, but like there was like thirty of them and they would all be like going in a clockwise direction So I used to say the Sovet. so I'm trying to swim against this mayay current And she was like, C your c f call her. She' like, yeah, there thiss old mayorcrerennt. She was like, C, will you stop it? Will you stop seeing that please And then to do this little thing where the the kind of jump up and down all in a circle again, but it's like there hopping. So it's like it's a hop, skip and a hop, skip and a hop, skip, creates a hell of a little undercurrent as well as the main current. And I used to I called it to Sophie. she hates. I go It's the dance of a thousandousand Mres And she goes, call me you, stop stop calling them that, please. It's not nice. I'm al okay, fine. So She went, how do I get to How do I get the fucin Liam is Now as I ready hold on, I'll get on my phone here Bea I'm thinking it was the arena where I took Nathan that time. Another time I stayed at that hotel. My cousin Nathan, who's eighteen now Christ. This must have been when he was like oh God, like he was in primary school. I know that. You would have been like ten or eleven or something Bloody hell But I took him to Birmingham at the whatever the arena is with the player there. There's always the NIA or the NIC or the NEC. It's the same thing with the rep. you've got the rep, the old rep. they' nothing but the rep will help you got just just give it with some new fucking names Birmingham. Jesus Christ Are you too busy making sure that nobody can get in or out of your goddamn mother fucking city? Is that what it is? is it Be you canta fuck I was getting a new pair of shoes a day from shoe at the bull Ring. had to go to the fucking bull ring on a Saturday. That was rat And I sa so outside your train station you've got fucking bus replacement services. I kind of drive to your city because there's a load of fucking HS too, high speed stuff. you can't even get the regular speed stuff. Goddamn mother fucking Birmingham to fuck A God So whatever the arena is in Birmingham. I took him to I took him to that And it was great and but it wasn't like with Stain. James's Park, you know, where this where the the stadium is within walking distance of the city center. You're spoiled if you live in Newcastle and you'll be forgiven for thinking that that's the crack everywhere. It's not. In fact, like where the anomaly A lot of people go, oh, you know, when you go to Newcastle, the stadium it's right in the city center. And I just grew up thinking that was the crack. Imagine my chagrin when I realized I'm taking Nathan to the wrestling and on top of that it was like a thirty quid taxi there, thirty quid taxi back because the arena is fucking Miles away R remember ye you got a photo as well with some S, I don't really watch wrestling anymore. I watched old wrestling old WWE, but I don't watch the current stuff. It' it's gone. It's gone for me now. I like CM punk, but that's about it. And I can't watch a whole thing for one guy. So I just kind of watch like the two minute clips on YouTube when I see he's in it And that that's about that's about it now really. But there was just one guy dressed as the undertaker, like a doke. I'm going to say it now a dock dresses the undertaker. And the reason I'm calling a doc because look, if you want to do what you want to do, then you're not harming anybody. So imagine you' were fine. And you sat next to somebody and it's just a bloke who's dressed as the undertaker. So all of these kids were wanting the photo taken with him and he was like, this is on the way out. and he was looking like a bit annoyed. like Like you didn't want to be stopping for photos. And I was like, Well, look man if you don't want to be stopping for photos Don't go to a fucking WWE event, dressed as the undertaker. It was a very convincing undertaker, as well, it wasn't, but he had the long coat and the hat and he'd made more of an effort, you know what I mean It wasn't just your standard put a fucking bin bag on a witch mask for Halloween. You know, he went and, you know, a bit of cosplay was in action here But I what's he doing? Fucking, Hey, I'm just trying to have a quiet pain dressed as the undertaker. I don't need any of these photos being taken to me like I well you brought on yourself, didn't you don't want to fucking taking photos don't dress like an undertaker. stupid twack An undertiger, any particular undertiger So This woman, this woman I said right okay, let us look it up now. I was like, oh okay, yeah, you're only around the corner. And then I said, and I recognize it because she was we werere right next to the syymphony hall, which I played there recently and I will get to do that again when I open for Ramseay And I was like, Ohh that's cool like because that's such a big place. I was like it's like a two thousand seat. I was like, I've fill that. likeike I've filled that. s I've played that No, the reason I said Dare filled it is because it brings under to the next thing. She said Iwen or you just at the the Birmingham He the Birmingham. I went, you're not too far from the Birmingham Symphy Hll And she went, No, that's not where Lam is is. L is the they played a much more people than that. So I'm annoyed now because that's the most I've ever got to play in front of in Birmingham. And she's slagging off the venue now. She's going, oh Lam is Leam Miz would never play the syymphony hall. No they' the national indndoor arena And I'm going like, no, I'm aware of that. What I'm saying is you want to walk past the syymphony hall. And but at that point she just kind of looked at me. She went, right, thank you, thank you And then she went and spoke to the guy working behind the counter at Starbucks and he's Mith who seems to be working on construction in the nearby area because they seem to have a little bit of a sitcom going on there. They had their pattern and they had their little routine and They had their double act down. So they were obviously a regular occurrence. So he's trying she's trying to talk to both of them now Do you know how I get to the National Indoor arena And they' both like, oh actually we're not from R And she went, Oh, yeah, here we'll go again. I'm not from R here. And I was like I you know what? you're asking at a fucking hotel. Y stupid cow So the so the very diplomatic bloke in Starbucks kind of went u You went, you know what the best thing to do is ask the people at reception, you know, because you know, there'll be a concierge or something like that. they'll be able to help you And damn. I was like, right and so she fucked off and then I'm like finishing me coffee and I'm putting that in the bin on top of all of her rubbish that you reluctantly put in becausecause half it was recycling And looked behind the counter in Starbucks, he was fantastic, you know, he just went I went Hey, I tried telling her that it was just past the symphony hall, but she wasn't having any of that like And then he just looked at me with this like really blank like expression that like you know, like a thousand y st, like you seen all just went Try taking an order So if that was you, if you that rings any bells for you whatsoever. if this ever gets back to you, I hope well, obviously I hope you Oh, that was another thing she was asking. She was like entrance F So not only did you want directions. you wanted to know the specific like and I'm in block six row F. And I just went the best I will be able to do is direct you to the venue, but she couldn't even she wasn't even patient enough for that But M No what I would have like Caler Nemar, I would have liked been a little bit more angry at her if I think it was I think it was evident after the longer I spoke to her, the longer I realized she wasn't all lay really. Either she wasn't all lay or and I was thinking about this on the way to the gig, like I've met a version of me because I could see myself being that rude to people and that like oh here we'll go. like I remember one time I was doing a gig at the the Brandlon in South Gosfath I think about this every time I drive past it as well and I was like it's really it's not very nice It's like, u I don't know if the bloke still manages there or not, right? But u But one time about twelve years ago, I was in there and I was like, oh, that looks like a good burger. Somebody was eating a burger. And I went, is that like is that on the menu tonight? And the guy just came to went like probably like the manager would probably. and Like he didn't really give us a time a day. and from then on I't I didn't particularly care for him. But then I ended up doing some gigs there for a guy called Dave Macbeth, who's now no longer with us actually. And I remember going in and I was like, I'll check in during the day because I had a projector. It was back when I was doing my wrestling show learen the Ropes of twenty fourteen And I went, did you get the email off Dave just making sure the projector is available tonight for the for the for the gig He just went like, oh, email. and then I just came to like point blank at him just went, well, that's a good start And I was like, oh Godd, I got all riled up, you know? like the post office guy Oh somebody wanted us to so yeah I'll keep jumping ahead here. So the the point is like I've I could see myself totally being that blunt and cursed to somebody as I had been to that guy the so so the Brandlon guy. So yeah, so I don't go in now out of out of embarrassment, but no, it's more that like I don't live there, but live near there, but I was every time I drive past, I'm just like, o I really wish I hadn't said that to him, you know, but I'm sure everybody's got a Something like that. You know, you can't you can't be perfect to everybody all the time and then Yeah, so Yes so the post office guy Somebody's been asking for an update on it as well. The update is that there's no update. you know, I've been in a couple of times now to pick something up and he's been there and I don't know if Wd's got back to him or not, but he seems to have been visited by three spirits That's the best way can describe it. He seems to totally change his ways. But alas The last poor Eurk, I knew him well. I'm still not ready to forgive him. So Now I'm the now I'm the body to him. We've kind of done that like we' flipp the script a bit on What is it Chillinger and and Tabi is specha. in in Ozz. You know, it starts off as showilling as a bad guy and then don't to flip it and beat her becomes like a fucking lunatic psychopath And and I guess I'm that guy now. So yeah, we fliip the script. Now I'm the bad guy. So he's been all nice to me and I just go like, Yep, great. Okaykay, bye. I never say please I thank you doing once. I go out you way to be a twat to him Yeah, so So yeah, so in one hand, I'm apologising for stuff I'd done ten years ago and on the other hand, I'm doing the exact same mistakes now to a different guy. So yeah. so when I'm seeing this last at Birmingham Mall I'm kind of just like I said to myself, I was like, that's exactly what I would have been like if I had never have met Sophie. if she hadn't have like changed me ways, if she hadn't have made us a better person, told us why you don't go on that way, why you don't go down to somebody's level, why you don't react or respond, you know, carry yourself with their bit of dignity and poise All stuff that she does and I try to do just by being with her, but But yeah, so so I looked at that last and I was like, yeah, that's exactly what I would have been like if I hadn't have met soving. You know, one time when we first met, this is Sophie really laying down the law. We were walking in the middle of Northumberland Street and it was like, we'd been for drinks and we'd been for a meal then and then we'd just been like for more drinks. and I think I was walking there and I just went, I'm just gonna nip into McDonald's. She went Oh Burger King. She went, Why And I went I'm just going to get a cheeseburger. She was like, what? I was like, Yeahah I'll just eat it while we're walking. She went, You will not. You will absolutely not do that. And I was like, What do you mean? She was like, there's nothing worse than walking down the street, just watching people fucking eating. She was like, I'm not doing that. you can pit off. She was like, if you do, I'm not walking with you And this was the first time where it was like, fine, fine. And like we're both like feeling each other out, see. So I went in and got a cheeseburger and she walked to the other side of Northumberland Street. just and we just walked in the same of direction on two complete different sides until I'd finished the cheeseburger And while I was at the gig last night I saw that Jason posted it. so I guess the secret is out the bag, the cat's out the bag Prettyon. Jason Cook and I will be starting a brand new podcast called Things We didnn't Know And we've been and we've recorded a few episodes already We've've, you know, we've got I think we've already had chemistry down because we've done so many live shows at the customs house And yeah, it's going to be all about facts. I think there's, you know I hope he doesn't mind hisn seeing it now, but he's posted online. So I guess you know now it's time to find out about it and it's all You know, I'll give Jason a fact that he didn't know about me. Jason gives me a fact that I didn't know about him. there's some Northeast facts in there because we're both from the Northeast. you there's big old facts, just all worldwide stuff and it's all it all it's all All a nice excuse so I can sit in a room and chat chit with one of my best mates. So for the longest time, You know, I've been going solo and people like Oh, you need to have a guest, you need to have this, you need to have that. So we'll figure it out. It's the best of both worlds. Don't worry. This is staying. this podcast isn't going anyway. All right. So this I am simply upping My workload now. I'm giving myself more work to do because why the hell not? you only get one life, right? So as well as doing this podcast and the pateron and patron. com slash call Hutchson, there will now be a double header coming out every week. D don't know when it's coming out yet I can't see anything more on that. I probably already said too much But yeah, things we didn't know with Carl Hutchinson and Jason Cooook that's coming very, very soon So there's your little there's your little teaser for it. but yeah, don't worry. In the meantime, this isn't going anywhere. This podcast is my pension. So that's that's not f going anyway. I'll tell you that now. Thank you also very very much and I'll check in with these again next week. Thank you. goodbye

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