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For JD Power twenty twenty five, US initial quality stududy award information, visit jDpower dot com slash awards Awards based on twenty twenty five model year, newer models may be shown Everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just a weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsey. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus name. Thank you M This was all circulating around the base O giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. Three long bony fingers Reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear When he came over to me Dude, he slithered over to me And this giant com out of the cave and they're all frozen And he starts running and firing at this giant. with the giant moves He got a spear in one hand and he' running really fast and spears Dan it pulls him up like this Somebody y'se shoot them in the face, shoot ' them in the face, they basically decapitato Got Ber, gotot Ber, got Bon, when he's got about fifteen yards away from me, I raised that fl did not blow this head up pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray ines pull And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reach my hand into this bush and I touch air. couldouldn't breathe, and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster Welcome to the show every.body'reisting to thefessional Podast. I' your host Tony Mcer. Thanks for being here. 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So go ahead and check it out if you so choose Also friends, go ahead and check out Merc merch. com that's M E R K Merch mc dot comot We have hats, t shirts, hoodies. all that stuff is available right there at merc merch d. comot Now today we have Dave Bryan coming on the show and this conversation with him dives deep into spiritual warfare, supernatural encounters, and parts of the Christian faith that many churches avoid talking about. Dave and myself discuss demonic attacks Druids, witchcraft dogman encounters, werewolf spirits, angels, miracles, raising from the dead and the danger of reducing Christianity to a powerless intellectual religion The conversation also explores how believers should approach the supernatural with humility, faith, and discernment while remembering that God is the one who commands angels, performs miracles, and reveals mysteries It's a raw mind expanding discussion that you're about to hear all about the unseen realm, the reality of supernatural warfare, and why the church needs to wake up before the deception gets any stronger. So let's get to this conversation with Pastor Dave Bryan right now All right, we got Dave Bryan here in studio. How you doing, man? I'm doing good, Tonny. Thank you glad you're having me out. This was u I think the the first time you and I talked for the show. I hung up the call with you and I just felt like There was something different that just happened, right? So the story is a wild story And and we could touch on a little bit, but I I hung up with you and I was like is one of the first times that I felt like I just met a pastor This is very rare for me at to this point I met a pastor I feel like Yeah, you know. Yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. I was like I don't want to ye, I kind of want to just like move out to California and and just be part of his church so that I have like some kind of like shield. Yeah. L like I needed to good like because at that point, I felt like I was just On an island for the most part, you know I have my home church pastor who has been just fantastic for me Outside of him, I felt like I was on an island, you know? And hearing your story and I was like, holy cow U And so You know, for people who don't know, it was episode two hundred sixty or no six twenty nine, six hundred and twenty nine we're now like I don't know, eight hundred or something. And we called it, I think I called it killing Levee. And I had to do something that was catchy, all right? catchy I remember in the first in this conversation, we got about halfway through And you kind of walked us up to like the pinnacle of the story almost. and you're like, and I guess I'll just leave it there for that. And I was like, absolutely not, Sir. He's like, I don't know if I have time. I'm like, you have plenty of time on'm the boss here. keepeep it going. We went for like another hour or something. And you tell the story about how Anton Leveay's daughter was running from him and she came into your church and how you kind of took her in, not knowing who she was and how all that spiritual warfare unfolded. Um, When I was done talking to you I had some things happen shortly after. that I didn't know who to turn to and I really felt like You You and I talking, there was a reason for that. And I don't even know if you remember this phone call. but I had a guy come in here to the studio who's a pastor in Middle, Tennessee about four hours from here. Yeah. he's telling me some experiences they had and we're talking and I have a good conversation. My two friends are sitting at the table, real casual. and because he was on the show before as well. He had an experience where he dreamt about an upright walking dog a werewolf Yeah that was eyeballing his family and it ran towards his family. He got in the middle of it, It starts tearing him to pieces. He wakes up. and he had scratches and cuts on his back Yeah. And he thought it was just a bad dream until about a month later that very thing was in the woods with him and his son And they they they're looking eye to eye at this thing. So he's like, has that even possible? And so it just opens a whole new paradigm. Oh yeah Well, he comes back out, we're talking, and he said, there's one more thing I want to talk to you about And I said, what's that? And he said Um I had a dream where I was standing at your house. And he tells me this dream that he had And literally describing my house to me accurately the way hasn't been to your house. No, unless he's stalking me. which Well logistically is always a possibility. I don't believe so. I even asked them about that. I was like, hey, man, listen. But u He has this dream and he says, in the dream He sees me getting out of my truck Everything's accurate. There's only one thing that was off about the dream is that my house number, which he knew my house number. Yeah. That's how it verified the whole thing to me. Yeah. that He said the house number on the show, we bleeped it out. U He said it was on my house and that's not accurate in real life, it's on my mailbox at the end of the driveway. Yeah So he says in the dream, you back your truck into the driveway and you're getting out and there's these two hooded figures standing behind you And you walk around the back of the house and they follow you into your house. And the dream messed me up. I was like, what is going on? You're the only person I was like I thought it to call. Yeah. And I remember telling you this dream and you cut me off and you said, those are druids. You have druids that are coming after you. I was like, what Wow. didnid't think about I was thinking like some spooky shadow figure and you're like, nope, Druids. And then what's crazy is that I had that, what you told me, confirmed to me so many times throughout this process. We've had witchcraft emails sent to us that we didn't know they were and we're reading them like their chance not understanding it. We're like, this doesn't make sense. Let's read it again. out now. It. Yeah.. And my friend Joseph Z though I talked to you about him last night. He the first time I ever met him He's praying for me and he pauses in the middle of the prayer. He has his hands on my shoulder and he says And you two witches, I see you. I was like, does Joseph know about this? you know? And so it really was a paradigm shifting moment for me to understand that not only as a Christian Are we in spiritual warfare? Most time we don't even realize and recognize it. I specifically had stepped into spiritual warfare doodoo. you know, And I was like unaware. I'm like, something stinks, but I'm not I'm too stupid to look at my boot, you know? And it was a big waking up moment for me that you were a part of. and it all stemm from conversation we had about you and your daughter and how that all unfolded. Right with with that experience you had Um was was that like the launching point for you when it came to like understanding how deep this spiritual warfare supernatural realm was. Yeah Be before that, I'm assuming you probably were notot to be mean or anything, but probably ignorant to to the concepts I was definitely ignorant to the concept as all of America is. There's very few people that understand spiritual warfare and very few that understand it understand the depth of it And the fact is that someomebody like you that begins to expose these things U, they will come after you And we we tend to think that's, you know, surreal that well why would Why would drruids, you know, trying to stalk me. Well, they would try to stalk you because you're outing Uh, their their whole gig, you know, you're telling people And remember, Tony, we're in a culture been a marriage between rationalism and religion. That is an ugly thing. And it goes all the way back to Renee Descartes, but It basically says this, if I can't explain something, I don't have to believe it Well that that takes faith clear out of the pictcher faith, you believe things that you can't necessarily explain case in point Jesus walking on the water. You can't really explain how that happens. R But you believe that it happed And that's fate Um, And so anyway, it We have a lot of intellectual dishonesty in America because we have pastors who claim to be men of faith, And they have some kind of a historic belief that supernatural things once happened But if you want to really understand their level of faith, just go in and tell them that An angel came into your room and talked to you. Yeah. Yeah and they'll discount you immediately And that's because even though the book that they preach out of every weekend has Angels You know, almost on every page. I mean, they're everywhere. Old Testament and New Testament. Yeah And they preach those stories. But then if Tony sees an angel, it's like, A, come on, Dad So u so there's a lot of intellectual dishonesty And it permeates our culture And so when when somebody like you and I told you this last night, Tony, but Yeah. I really thank God for the conffessionals and blurry creatures and other guys who are brave enough to say what very few pastors will talk about peopleeople are listening to it And we call it demonically inspired revival because if you if you believe and In negative forces, you got to believe in God. There can't only be supernatural negativity and no angels and men and white and all that you know, the G Cloud of witnesses and you know, there there's so much that that an honest view of biblical Christianity would afford us But we've marginalized all that And we believe Again, it's just historic faith. We believe it once happened, but part of our life. So that's why I'm always telling people Read the mystics read all this stuff that was edited out of church history fult were Like there's a book called fourour hundredundred Saints Wh Raiseed the deead. Really? Yeah And they' people we've never even heard of. Some of them we've heard of, but But even at that, when you think of St Patrick, who raised the dead, U We think of Uh, you know, Staint Patrick's day wear green,, ye know four leaf clover on your lapel don'tar anything about raising dead people. S Past, man, that boy. He threw down. Wow. and he can inverted A whole nation drove snakes off the Great Britain, you know, they they There's amazing stories about great exploits that he did But um Church history always dumbs those kind of things down And so taking a lot of flap for promoting those kind of things because It makes people uncomfortable But I'm always telling people read about Gregory the Wonderworker I mean, when you go down in history, Named The Wonderworker Yeah oght to check the guy out. Yeah, right? Yeah. And why didn't I learn that, you know, I went through four years of Bible college. We didn't hear about any of thoses. Right So anyway, I I u I feel like There's a level of Somewhere, we were just talking before we started recording about like the timeline of some of these leaders within the church and how they start out as one thing and they become something else, right? Yeah. But if you look at the overall picture of the faith Uh I feel like it's a similar narrative when it comes to this where someomewhere along the line, I feel peopleeople started leaders in the church, teachers started intellectual that And and I'm not saying intellectualism is a bad thing by when it becomes the replacement of understanding your supernatural God, your supernatural existence and your true nature of the creation you exist in Yeah, you're you're kind of putting yourself above God in a sense in God's creation. and what what you can fathom. and there's these whole theologies that are built out of it and around it. U And it it's terrifying to think that That could actually be true that There's a there's generations of leadership that has degraded the faith away from what it really should be.. But then I hear people like yourself and other people who have radical stories and And you're right, like there's L like shows like this one. Our focus is to expose that stuff, to show people, to build people's faith up in the supernatural to if people are having experiences with demonic presences, like if you go to any normal, maybe paranormal podcasts, right that maybe the host isn' int a Christian and things like that. And they're talking about, you know, there's this shadow figure in the room and they'll even maybe say demonic, but There's always been there's traditionally been a hesitancy to go the opposite route. And like the reality is if you can even give a wink of an eye to a head nod of That shadow figure was in the room as a secularist then There's a whole paradigm shift waiting to happen. And that's kind of what I feel like my focus has been on. And and my show is literally, if you just watch it from the beginning to what it is now, like it goes It literally goes by the rhythm of where I'm at in life, what I'm into, where my revelations are coming from And in the last couple of years, it's been heavy on supernatural spiritual warfare becausecause I'm in it I'm in it when The story I shared with you here in the beginning and people got to hear a little bit of it with the whole my house stuff That to understanding Oh Oh, we're fighting. Yeah, we're fighting. and That episode, it wasn't even a public episode. likeike we sat down record a special episode for my members. and afterwards the guys told me Joel told me he's like, dude, that needs to be for everybody to hear. I' like, no, I don't feel like that's what I just didn't feel peace about it. Yeah. So But I talk about it now so everybody knows the story, right? Yeah. But like That moment me into realizing supernatural warfare is happening around me and I'm in it.ight. And I just I guess my desire would be to see more people come to that understanding uh, because they're I don't know if you feel this way, but I feel like There is a time drawing near right now And we're hitting a point where I honestly I wouldn't be surprised if like guysys crack open between now and me saying twenty thirty is exaggeration. I actually don't feel like it's even that far away, but I feel like at some point the sky's going to crack open and Jesus going to be like I'm back. you know like Hey suckers. It's time to fay the piper Yeah. you know, And when that happens, like the whole world's going to know how supernatural it is and how deceived they've been. Right So it's moving that way in a hurry, Tony. Yeah. the whole thing with with Science and technology C comoming into singularary, the singularary Um it's it's huge because at this point What that means is there's no visible difference, there's a complete merging of science, technology and spirituality So that, for instance they can program things through computers that are that are overtly demonic. and there's all kinds of stuff with this singularity U AI is part of it And um So Uh, of course, ye Ray Kurswell, all these guys early on were saying everythingvery will change and There will be a quantum leap forward uh for Of course they thought there'd be a, you know, a human two point zero They would move forward, everyverybody else would be extinguished And it would be the dawn of complete a new era for humanity after the singularity. Well, the singularity is here. And so now Ebody is having to reassess U their world views and The church needs it as bad as anybody because the church has gone for two thousand years, we really embrace Constantine Um, theology and government And we've been content to have a powerless form of religion And so u now, You know, think about the average pastor after after alien disclosure. I mean, how how's that gonna to go? Yeah. You know that millions of people are saying Pess to say, pastor, why didn't you wararn us about this And so they're going to say, if you didn't get it on that We just don't trust you to lead us into these days ahead That's already begun to happen with the COVID con I don't know how many people have come to our church and and said, u The pastor's a nice guy. But how come If he has the Holy Spirit within him, how come He didn't warn us COVID js. Well, that is a darn good question Yeah And so, u and just So there's already a clearing of the dance floor, so to speak. there's thousands of churches that went under during COVID and they won't come back and And I for one am thankful for that because there were Millions of good people that were held hostage in a religious system accccording to the prophecy of sccripture have a form of religion but deny the power thereof. It's right out of the Bible. And the next verse, by the way says from these stay far away Noted. You, u, you brought up this this idea of u U The saints raising the dead And You're bringing up this idea of the mergers and singularity and all that I And I know last night, I think this this man you were talking about last night, I think you said that he doesn't do any interviews, but If you're going to be part of his ministry, you have to have a documented case of pray you were praying and God used you to raise somebody from the dead. A verifiable resurrection. Yeah. A verifiable resurrection. So like literally there yes, people, there's somebody out there that has a ministry that nobody's allowed to be part of the leadership unless they have a verifiable resurrection, which is wild And you know why he says that is because because I said His name's David Hogan, by the way, that's who. I was a sure if Yeah But I don't mind saying he's a good friend. Okay and an awesome Christian leader. No where he works, which is the unstable zone in Mexico that's where The The movie Apocalypso, the building of the pyramid of the sun The sacrifice of fifty thousand human sacrifices to dedicate bowl of the sun to coaxotal. That all happened right where he's at So kind of evil Um, that that U That builds a foundation and a platform for all kinds of supernatural realism And it's profoundly evident in the lives of the people. So Uh he said Dave, uh down here a warlock an Aztec warlock and transmography can job can uh do all kinds of things What they can't do is raise the dead because Jesus as the keys of resurrection, life That's the whole thing You know, he he was resurrected again. He went down. into the heart of the earth And he has the keys of resurrection life And honestly, he gave those keys to the church. So We call that the short list of things for Christian disciples to do, but it's is go everywhere, preach the gospel of the kingdom, which Most people don't even get that. It's not the gospel of the church. It never has been the gospel of the church. It's the gospel of the kingdom of God And that's the dominion of God and the earth. That's what we're supposed to be believing for So and so the Bible says, go everywhere Reach the gospel of the kingdom heal the sick. O' the leper. cast out demons and raise the dead It's a It straightfward. It really is. It really is. And so everybody that claims to be a Christian is somewhere on that list. Maybe they're just trying to get the courage to go tell somebody about it Maybe they've done that but they still don't get the kingdom message Maybe they get the kingdom message, but they don't have faith to pray for people to get healed, or wherever. You're somewhere on that And our church you know Of course the, you know, the story of Ray Ray Leay and all that happened, but But back then that was in nineteen ninety seven when Antom MVy died White Most of the people in our church had never cast a demon out. Tod If I say how many have cast a demon out Almost every hand will go in the air. Re? And if somebody's hand doesn't go in the air, it's because they're new at the Church of Glad Tidings And so the crazy thing is that that's an anomaly in the world But but but that also show like it's a it's a very Isolated group of people who have embraced true iv activ activization, What's the word I'm looking Activation. Activation, thank you. I speak for a living. But they embraced that and they they activated things that the Scripture is already telling them that they they can do. Right And and it's a matter of you become good at what you practice. And it's true in spiritual things also The first time you share your faith with somebody, you might kind of stumble around at it. But if you do that often enough, it'll just become second nature to you And u So So we have learned to Oh to share our faith, pray for the sick. Cast out Demons someday I hope to see every hand go in the air when I say how many here have raised the debt And Uh, the The key in my mind is you believe it and you keep after it until it starts happening because I have prayed for seven dead people But you know what, Tony, they all stayed dead. B figure. right..body not going throw me a curveball. Well, I used to play basketball in high school and in college I had a sign you've probably seen it, but you miss one hundred percent of the shots you don't take Yeah And so you've got to get out there and do it. That's the present we have in the scripture. Jesus said It says He sent his disciples into every city he was about to go. told them Casted out demons. They didn't know how to He said, What He said, Yeahah just and look for demonized people by the way, aren't hard to find. But anyway, they came back surprised And they said, The demons are subject to you to us when we use your name And he said, Yeah, I knew that You didn't know that, but I knew that And so anyway They if you don't have the courage to get out there on the ragged edge where your reality meets the world around you and you You have to We call it show up the showdown and throwown. You just got to get yourself out there and do it And I prayed for a lady that um She brought her mother and her hearse to our church when David Hogan was there. because David Hogan is, you know, famous for raising the debt. I don't know what he's up to, but Oh He's raised over forty people from the dead. Are you serious? Yes. Wow. Yeah And so, u, So anyway, they brought a lady up. It was a unique situation This lady's mother had died and her uncle uh owned a mortuary So her uncle brought her up in a casket in a hearse T your church? Yeah, all the way from the Bay arerea, you know, a two and a half hour drive. And they wanted her to be raised from the dead And David I went and told him he was about to speak He said, Oh, okay, well, Let's see what God does So we went out there And he said He said, you know how this works, right? sweet art She said no. He says, okay, well, only God can raise the debt And he's given us the permission to ask for it in His name and he will either answer yes or no The answer iss yes Your mama will come back. But he said, let me ask you something Does your mama love Jesus She said, Oh yeah, she's a wonderful Christian He said, You sure you want to do that to her bring her back into this setting Why would you do that And she said, Well, we miss her And he said, Okay, but that is kind of selfish, don't you think She's waited all her life to go to heaven and She's there right now You really want to ask to send her back. She said, I think I think I do And he said, okay, well You can sort that out with your mama Anyway He said, we'll pray and God will either say yes or no And then our job is to embrace hisis wisdom And so let's pray He prayed you know, that should be raised from the dad and You we we're there. waiting for about twenty minutes and He turned So the ladies said Your mama is staying in heaven. And, um Sorry he said I'm going to go back into the service. He said, I want to commend you for the faith that you had But remember, God is wise and God is good. Obama staying in heaven. She's probably up there saying, Oh, Jesus, please don't send me back Yeah, rightight? Yeah. So he said, that's how that works. and so we're walking into the church and I said Do you ever get discouraged when that happens He says, what I said, well, you prayed for to be raised and she wasn't raised He says, yeah, I'm not God I just asked God if he would send her back and he said, no And he grabbed me' a big oldle guy. He grabbed. He said, littleittle brother said don't get to thinking you're God He said O God raises the dead So we ask and if he wants to, he sends him back And he said, But think about it. She was an old woman. Why would she want to come back into this Life I said, imagine she wouldn't He said exactly. He said was it was a selfish prayer. And u I He said, I couldn't see any real good reason to bring her back He said, most the people that are raised from the dead There's real good reason. They're young. they get cut off and they're prime Uh, you know, they they leave behind little kids that need raace and And he said, those are the ones we really go after. but He said the The idea that everybody should just stay on earth forever is that's not God's plan. That's pointless. So anyway I I have a lot of respect for David and I've talked to people in Mexico. I've gone down there where he works in the unstable zone and It's it's wild, Tony because , you know, around here a testimony time. it's like, well, you know, I I needed two hundred bucks to put a new tire on my car and I didn't know where it was gonna come from, right? That's test norm downown there. it Unbelievable testimony You know, we're walking along he'd say Uh It's say let this lady tell you about the that she was dead. You know, that's one heck of a testimony, right and they have some amazing stories. But you know, another thing that's interesting is I told him, I said, Well Um I wouldn't even be able to be an elder for you. down in Mexico. raise the debt He said, it's because you're in America He said, I've only done it twice in America. Really? He said he saidmer America has canopy of unbelief over And he said, I really get tired of it. I come to America and everybody sits back there with their arms crossed like show us a miracle. And he said, that's not how faith works I've learned a lot from David Hogan And he told me, he said, if you moved down to Mexico, you'd be raising the dead the first month down there Holy cow Because people expect miracles to happen down there And whether you're serving God or serving the devil, miracles happen H Aazing things, right? So it changes the way you view life your worldview as You know it has a foundation of pervasive spiritual reality where Our worldview is very, very secular and carnal Mh The u The idea of raising dead And It being something that only God can do. Um So one thing that you said that I think he said, and I'm going to butcher it, but I think people need to go back to what you just talked about to the beginning and how you laid out the logistics of how he said this works when he first came out. The way it was described take so much pressure off the individuals. I think so many times people They go into a situation where they're like, okay, I'm going to pray for a miracle. I'm going to pray for a healing. I'm going to pray for this person to be healed. And Im going I'm gonna I'm gonna it's like, h we're already starting off on the wrong foot. But I think exactly we have such a lack and I think I might have said this last night, we have such a lack of discipleship in this country that people who have this this burning desire, the Holy Spirit is is bubbling up in them. they they they're like It's there. It's like a kid with energy without the proper training. Right. You know, you you don't have the right tools for it. R And what you laid out, I feel like is just is so simplistically This is the blueprint of how you think about it so that when you're in the situation, all glory goes to God from the beginning. And it's not you, it's he who works through you if he chooses. We're asking him to do something. and if he does if he says no, the answer is no. but we've been exactly we've been blessed with the I forget how I said, but like we' been we've been blessed with the opportunity to ask to ask It's like it's like right It's not commanding. it's it's Hey, Lord Jesus, God Father. Yeah, please. And the answer is going to be yes or no. Yeah. And we have to be humble enough to just accept that Be that is something that the church has to come to terms with and And while we're on this subject this idea of commanding God as ical We don't command God It's preposterous that we would command God to do anything. What do you mean by commanding gu? Well, there's a doctrine out that we have the authority to tell God at my word, you know, do this, do that. Listen, the best we can do, in my opinion is to view ourselves as a garden hose. And if you're connected to the spigot, then that if the spigot decides to turn on then the water makes it to the plant through you. And you can say that you are used by God. But the garden hose, it's just a conduit And people can get really hey about you know, I'm all that in a bag of chips instead of saying We have been granted permission come before the throne of grace to receive mercy and grace to help in time of need. we can Tition the throne And They do the same thing with with angels, Tony. I I hear people I heard a guy recently say, Oh, the Lord has given me more angels. U and And he could do that. I mean, you know, Elisha saw a host of angels running about him Piaz. for Elisha, R. They work for God.. So, the number one name that God uses on Hself in sccripture The Lord of angel armies, the Lord of hosts. and Why would God constantly remind us that He is the commander of the hosts of heaven U there's innumerable servants who do his will And we can ask for them, but But this idea that a human being can tell angels, go do this, go do that. Yeah. It's To me, it's incredibly heady, like Who do you think you are? Jesus Christ, you know, the thing in Gethsemane, the incident where Malccus ears get air gets cut off Um Jesus turned to Peter. And he said Don't do that. This is the reason I came to earth. Then he said Don't you realize I wanted to I could petition the father And he would send as many angels as I needed So if that's the way Jesus did business Yeah That's the way we should do business. He's our example in all things. And it makes you wonder Again, I think people I think sometimes as humans, without the proper discipleship, without the proper understanding, We can step in in some deep stuff. Yep. And if we're If we're commanding angels to do things and getting results, you have to wonder where the results are coming from. R. I don't want to say that if you're commanding angels, it's impossible for God to have grace on you and still send the angels. Yeah. but it does leave door open for something else to ffill fulfill something that God said no.. And I don't know if you're familiar with the guy. He's out in Phoenix, I believe. hisis name is Joseph and Franco And u There was a really popular podcast called The Telepathy Tapes talking about autistic children and The host was not Christian, but the way I would translate is autistic children having very surreal supernatural experiences. I know that to be true. Joseph charismatic pastor found himself at a reformed church that God told him to go to. And he's like, why? So he just starts attending this reformed church and they actually bring him on staff as a staff pastor Charismatic though, and they're putting up with them. Yeah. There was a family in that church who had autistic child And he was uniquely qualified to be able to see things in a very different way than the leadership of that church. Yeah. He starts sitting down with Cody. He wrote a book called De Coding Cody. And it's wild because like these kids, these autistic kids are having these experiences together someomewhere else And and they like he actually saw them communicating through their spelling am I going to see at the hill tonight? And he's like, what's the hill? And heard about that. Yeah. ye One of the things that Cody says about the angels and It goes exactly what you're saying He said, When you pray Don't talk to the angels tell the angels what you want them to do, goo to God because He's the one that gives them permission to do anything. They are not going to listen to you. Right? They don't it's like It's like a child coming to me say, Hey, I need you to go do this. It's like no. Yeah. listen, one day you're going to judge me todayod is not that day. I take I take answers from the head Honcho. Exactly. And so hearing exactly hearing and I think I just had Joseph in here probably about a month ago. and I imagine for years moving forward, I will be referring to this conversation I had with him because it's You take autistic children who They byy the way they're made and the way that they're, I don't want to call it a handicab because I no longer think it's a handicab But the way they are, it's individual level, it's almost impossible for them to lie because it creates so much chaos for them mentally that they can't handle it To take a whole massive amount of autistic people and have them all on the same page of a lie just to pull a prank onto humanity' imppossible. Ridiculous. So what they're saying, I give so much credibility to And I'm like The supernatural realm is real. They have a very special access to it. Yeah. and you see things like that. Yeah. The angels man, they they they're not here to fetch you coffee. R. You know? And I feel like we treat them that way. Well, that's why I brought that up. There's a lot of that kind of mentality that we are ruling on the earth and we have angels at our disposal. The Bible teaches that uh, that Heavenly Father is the Lord of hosts and that he created angels who serve us who are the yearsars of salvation, but Al at his command And so So just as Jesus gave us the example, we petition the Father and say Lord, we really need help. We do that all the time. We pray and we say, Lord, would you send the full compliment of heavenly hosts to help us you know, say we're doing a conference. of course, we we have they in your face threats of the Church of Satan and different things. you know, people We'll hear about a conference and we'll get a, I call them nasty Gram, you know, s We'll be cursing you during the conference, whatever But it's just a reminder that it's a real war And so we don't command angels. We ask the Father, would you please send guardians, send watchers, send warriors And, you know, the full compliment of heavenly hosts which en clothes Sirits of Just men now made perfect Right? It's the u what we would call the Great Cloud of Witnesses or the men and white that do all kinds of things And You probably know this, Tony, but U M notuffhing I'm after m are used as often as the word angel, which Malak is, you know, a messenger it Men and white appear all the time in sccripture. And they called them, There was a man in radiant garment man And then of course, there are other appearances that are angels That We have had such a carnal culture that we have dumb down the whole concept of the Posts And And so we we always make these categorizations that an angel is is You know, it six two blue eyes, blonde hair, has wings Yeah. And that's the that's what an angel is. And then a demon, you know, is smaller than that and they have a forkid tail and foven hooose, right And they're red. What a ridiculous concept because there's all kinds of things in the Spirit realm There are things that the prophets of Scripture were so bizarre that they couldn't even liken them to something. Right?. It was alive, but it was a wheel within a wheel with eyes all over it Makes s o. You know, that's that's a pretty wild prereacher And they're called living creatures. Yeah. And so this idea that that they Eernal realm. is less populated then the natural realm is ridiculous. And scientists, you know, argue over how many species there are, but it's somewhere between ten and forty million. different kinds of things in this natural world we live in. Wow So how many things are in the eternal realm I've never heard anybody talk about that. That is That's wild to consider. That'sild wild to consider. because we're so consumed with the natural and what we know of the natural We often don't even think about beyond this natural realm what that creation actually entails. Like we think about it in categories, you know, like, you know, angels, demons, fallen angels. are there differences? God, there's there's all this other stuff, but it's like to think that What we can recognize in this natural realm as part of creation being magnified to an unknown number in the supernaturally eternal realm. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah t least the book wide open. It's wide open. And So I'm convinced that that all of the tradition I Supernatural experiences like for instance, if you go to some cultures, they talk about the we people right or fairies or whatever Well, You know, in the West, we think, o, no s Well, what an arrogant thing to say. since thousands of people have seen them Not hundreds, thousandousands of people have seen them. R. And we just decide that they don't exist. That's like somebody in another country trying to tell us Niagara Falls doesn't exist because they've never been here.? Like, well, you wouldn't know. You don't live here. It can't be that big Yeah ye But anyway, there's so much arrogance and theology they It's born of human pride. Human pride does not like to admit that it doesn't know And so we make these theological treatises, you know, and and systematic theology that' we try to answer every question What an insanely ridiculous thing to try to do. Yeah. You cannot possibly You don't even know the right questions to ask. much less having the answer to every little question Yeah, but Well, you know, one thing I talk a lot when we talk about religious culture about the ugliness of what happened through the Catholic Church because there has been some heinous things that went on through the Catholic church. down through the centuries. However One thing that they have done well is they have maintained the doctrine of mysteries They just say This is a mystery. And they just leave it there They don't say this is a mystery and And we've solved it and this is what like the incarnation, they say This is a mystery. God became flesh and dwelt of mind. We don't know how that happed pretending that you do Nobody knows how that Um, and so You know, I think it's good for us to say to remind us ourselves of our position here. There's lots of things that we don't know and we're foolish to discount anything that we haven't experienced which is usually what happens in the West. you know, if we haven't experienced it's not true Anyway So I have I have this desire to be open Keep learning. not only in time, but in eternity How long will it take us to to learn about an omnipotent eternal God probablyro forever And Mark Twain said the only thing that keeps you from learning is to think that you already know. which is the problem of theologians Big time. Yeah. Yeah I, uh I'm going to hold my tongue on something that was just about the say because wisdom says to do so. But I u I agree and It's something that I really wrestled with in a good way about a year or so ago I tend to get hyper focused on things And u I got hyper focused on Um the fact that Hi ernity is forever God is part of eternity and is eternal. And as a finite being that isn't eternal when I enter into eternity I'm going to spend the rest of my existence discovering newew aspects of his glory forever. Yeah. The only thing I can ever come back to describing it in my Fite mind is When I have a God moment And I have a moment where it's like the Holy Spirit's presence so real. For instance, march twenty ninth, twenty fourteen was the day that my life changed forever I was raised in the church, I walked away. I almost lost my marriage, and I'm sitting at a funeral. No people are raised from the dead. Next time I'll try it. But I'm serious. I'm probably gonna try it. I'm sitting there and My wife's One uncle is a Baptist pastor And this this service was very Jesus excluded from And he didn't like he took exception to it. And he stood up and he looked at the person running the service and he said, since nobody else is going to do it, I'll do it. And he starts preaching the gospel and Allright I started getting angry. My blood pressure started rising. I'm getting embarrassed that he's talking about Jesus. There's something going on spiritually inside of me that wasn't good, right? Yeah. And in that moment The Holy Spirit just I've never had this experience before. It was like the whole room emptied out L not literally, but like my attention was not anywhere else other than God speaking directly to me. And at that point in my life, I was trying to become a nicer person. I was a trucker, and I had guys who'd been in the industry for thirty plus years tell me, I'm one mean son of a gun. Yeah. And I was like, I don't want to be that. you know, So I was trying to being a nicer person, but doing it with God was not on the agenda and The Holy Spirit said, You don't need to change to come to me. Just come to me and I'll change you And it was such a real God moment for me that changed instantaneously. for me it was not a problem. I walked out of that church a different person. Thats. And so that is my like the moment in my life. I've had other experiences with the Host Spirit, obviously. But that is the moment that it was like Euphoric And to think that that moment is so small and minute to what I'll experience in eternity is I can't even fathom what that's gonna to be like. And so u Yeah, I spent a good portion of a year focusing on that concept. Yeah. because I just I can't I can't wrap my mind around it. Right. But that's that's the reality. Yeah Yeah, and we can't wrap our mind around eternity we can come up with some limited idea of what that maybe means You know, somewhere in our minds we're thinking, but what about before that? rightight And so many things, uh are Even in scripture, we tend to think where the Bible says In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth And verse two, the earth was devastated and ruined That's Really? Well, how did that happen? God has never created something that was devastated and ruined. but that's what the Bible says. And then God uh did the days of creation which tells us and of course, Satan had already cosmic revolt had already happened. He was already the fallen one in the Garden of Eden So there's a huge Um, prior chapter, right? Yeah. we don't know what was going on there And then think about before that before that You know It goes on and on so I think one of the worst things that we do is I view it as like, you know, a flea trying to learn quantum physics. It's like you don't have the capability of doing that So can a flea learn anything? Well, I've never been a flea, but probably, you know, there's some things I can learn, you know best places to attack a dog or whatever. That's the good bite mark, right? Yeah Yeah. But the point is we don't have the capacity Uh somebody said it like this Uh, who wants to serve a God that fits in somebody's head? Yeah No, and that's very unglike to be able to be contained in a human. brain. Yeah. but anyway, u there's if we will u posture ourselves in humility and listen to each other and recognize that We don't know near as much about anything as we think we do Um, and Then we're open to learn because like Mark Twain said, the only thing that keeps us from learning is thinking we already know. But, um And these at these U junctures in human history where so much is going on. When I read these books and somebody thinks they know exactly how every little thing is going to play out s sl Probably not. Yeah Probably not And of course when you When you study the first coming of Christ there was all kinds of argument about how he would come, right There were whole schools of the Pharisees that thought he would be a conquering king and whole schools that thought he would be a a suffering servant And they were both right was I was just thinking that. But they were arguing about it And they could have never figured out how those two things could have merged. Yeah So they argued about it W. And and they also argued, is he going to come out of Egypt, Nazareth or Bethleham All three. Well You know, to us, it may not seem as odd because we're more of a mobile society, but Then That was unthinkable. Yeah, a guy would traravel to Egypt and then come back. I mean they people didn't do stuff like that Interesting because they had to walk and carry everything. Yeah. I mean, think about. It's not not going to move Yeah I'm here and this is where I'm going stay. Exactly. Yeah. And this is where my dad was and granddad and on and on and on And u But anyway, they argued about where Christ is going to come from and they were all right. have you ever heard of the poem blind man and the elephant That does sound familiar. Yeah it's it's remarkable a poem by Ridigard Kipling, but It's about six blind men who are arguing what an elephant is. blind. None of them have ever seen an elephant. And they all had some experience with an elephant. One touched his ear and is saying Marvel of an elephant is likeike a fan, a big fan Yeah well, his ear is, but then one touched his legs and know he's like a tree, onene touched his tails and know he's like a rope. That's just tusk said no he's like a spear One touch his trunuck said know he's like a snake And so they're arguing And they all have a very limited perspective. If they had had the grace to sit down and trust one another and say, what is your experience It's not my experience at all, but Apparently this marvel of an elephant has you know, all these six different characteristics. at least they they're still blind. they still may not have understood an elephant, but they'd be closer than J just arguing that it's like a spear. right Yeah. So anyway, that poem ends by saying and Saud these men in Pakistan disputed loud and long each in his own opinion, exceeding str Stiff and strong So each was partly in the right. they all were in the wrong So often, theologic wars, the disputents I wean rail on in utter ignorance of what each other mean about an elephant not one of them has seen That to me is a profound Profoundly insightful poem. Yeah And so, um You know, I I'm very thankful for it, but I have to so many people. that have had so many Stange experiences, weird and wonderful That it's It's help you know, expand my brain, you know these days because we do the Isaiah sixty one summit and We had forty thousand people listened online last time we did But they're from all over the world. And so We are hearing more and more and it's really a groundswell. but O Often they say, you know, I need to tell you a story, but I know you're not going to believe it. It's like Hit me with your best shot. You would You would have no idea of the things that I believe. They'll say to me they're like, I got a really crazy story, but you'll never believe. I'm like, you came to the right place. Exactly. You're on the table of crazy right now. Yeah mom. Yeah. Yeah H I was ld somebody, I don't if I mentioned it to you last night, but when David Hogan came to our church last time, we made these shirts and on the front of them it says, I'm not out of my mind. On the back it says, I'm just out of yours. Exactly, Eactly. Like hey, this is normal stuff to me There's, um with with What you just said about the poem which I think is beautiful And I don't think I've ever heard that before Um They who's the author again Audigard tipl. So what Kipling was kind of painting a picture of is that On an individual level, there's there's monkey wrenches when it comes to understanding creation, God, supernatural. I'll throw the supernatural in there.. And and we all have a piece of it. But we don't have the whole picture, right? And And at times I have come across situations where I'm not to scratching my head. I'm like, I don't I don't understand that works and why this person had this experience It makes no sense to me, but it's because I have I have only my own perspective and understanding that I can run with. and I'll use an example. Um And it's actually a full circle example. I had a lady on the show several times and she'll be on again in the future for sure. She goes by the name Fringe And she was raised Calvinist And she had in twenty twenty during what do you call CoVic Kon? Yeah, I love that she's in I forget where she's at, but she's out in the West Coast area And see find yourself not working. like a lot of people And so she decided to start documenting her dreams And and I'm not going to be able to tell her story the way she would tell it, but and I might misreember some things, but essentially, she starts documenting her dreams writing them down and realizing that these aren't dreams she's experiencing. She's actually experiencing this And it centered down this long rabbit hole And one of the experiences that she shared with me that really kind of left me like as the host of the show and talking to somebody on the other side of the screen, she wasn't sitting in person. I'm like, huh Where do I take the conversation from here? because I don't know what to say to that. Yeah. She said that has she's seen when during these abductions that she's experienced She's seen so many different things happening And one of the things she described is I think she called it, but I definitely called it this, soul sucking. And I'm like, what do you mean by sooul suck? And she's like, there's technology that they're using and they're sucking souls out of people. I'm like What do I do with that? Right? Yeah. And and for a few months, I walk around with that in the back of my head. I'm like, as Christian, not as a host of the show, but as a guy who has a family It bothers me when I have something like that that I don't know how to contain in box. I On a human level. Yeah And And I just walked around with that in my head. I'm like, I don't know what to do with that Because I don't think she was lying to me and I believe her But what the heck? Yeah And then it wasn't until was sitting here talking to a guy, his nameamed Seth and we were talking about historical dogman, you know, these werewolves throughout history. they're there They're there. Oh yeah. And And he brought up and I don't know how we got on the topic But he brought up Ezekiel thirteen eighteen and how God is reprimending a false prophetess on how she was sewing bands on her wrists, hunting for human souls. And I was like, what You're telling me that's real and it's in the Bible Becauseuse now all of a sudden I got a biblical example of a human being using supernatural being ways to hunt for human souls. And if humans are doing that, supernatural beings are doing that. Yeah, absolutely. And I was like, holy cow. And so it just kind of reshaped my and I don't totally understand it, but it reshaped my brain. And that's what he was writing in that poem. It's like you have these little tiny perspectives. But if we would just sit down and talk to each other, we might have a whole picture of an elephant. Exactly and listen to each other instead of just say, o, she flew over the cuckous test. Yeah. you know, they and the Bible has M ignored verses Like that. Yeah. because we just tap out, you know, like e, I don't know what she was sewing on her wrist, but you know I'll just going to the next verse, right? Yeah. And I was and Tona, Hawaii doing a DTS discipleship training school on spiritual warfare and deliverance And u This guy came in, he wasn't a student J in Well dressed biggle die and I Well I was just unpacking, you know, spiritual warfare and I don't do this often at all. probably count on my hands how many times I've brought this up because it's really Um, kind of a fringe area of deliververy, but anyway, I went into this whole thing about Wito Okay And this guy's You know, he scoots up on the edge of his chair And I thought this this boy is listening hard And so I I just unpacked it and I said People ask me, well, where's that in the Bible? So let me show you I said, the holy watchers cursed Nebuchadnezzar And he turned into a beast He went on all fours for seven years. Yeah and his hair grew out the length of eagle's feathers all of his body and his fingernails grew out the length of eagle's claws.. We have a biblical account of that Mhm And then first was lifted and he transmographified back into King Nebuchadnezzar And and one of the greatest comebacks of human isory they let him be king again. I mean that's a mind beentor, right? really It's a mind beentor. But anyway Uh, so I told this story and then we broke for lunch and and he's he's just Dan at the back. I thought this guy has had some kind of an experience with a weird beast or somebody in his family Yeah it up to I said I said, Hello, what's your name He says Professor Wolf No joke And I said, Professor Wolf He said, ye. I said, what's your first name? He told me, I won't disclose it here because This will be seen by hopefully millions of people. Yeah. But he told me his name and I said your first name does not sound American. Your last name does. and I'm wondering how that happened They said, well, our name was so and so so and and so on and so but My mother changed it to wolf when we immigrated into America So You know, I'm all I'm already thinking This isn't just by chance that she chose the name Wolf. you know, she could have chose Jones or Smith. Yeah. really want to fit in Ch Smith. Yeah. So anyway, Yeah He said, do you believe that story? And I said, abbsolutely And he said, Do you think it still happens? I said, I know it still happens And he said, u We need to talk I said we are talking Do you mean we need to pray He says, Yeahah, we probably need to pray, but not here And so she hits our room told me a story of how his grandmother was a witch and uh, that they lived by the Russian border And, um The Russian soldiers come over and rape, pillage, plunder, they couldn't do anything about it. So So she had him do a a ritual to invite a weir spirit into him that would be triggered by anger or fear So if you got you remember the incredible Hulk he would say You're making me angry. You don't want to see me when I'm angry, right? Yeah. It was about transmarkification, right? The whole series was about uh, that So anyway, u So long or short of it is tell me all the story of how it happened and how he had lived with that for years and He was now a professor. in an Ivy League college I said, how does that work with having a weird spirit It says I don't get mad. peopleople make fun of me, but if something's I can feel it start to happen. He said, I'll just grab my briefcase and head for home So anyway, we were able to get them free of that That night Yeah, well, that afternoon. Yeah. Wow. And . Of course, he was married. hisis wife was thrilled. She You probably saw him a time or two Yeah And I said she was a little tiny thing. He's a big old They would Hollywood two sixty or something big guy And she may maybe weighed one hundred pounds. She's a little Asia maybe And I said, you've seen this h. Shees says three times. She's real cute She I said, wow, you're pretty brave lady. She says, not brave at all She says very scary I get that It would be very scary You still sleep in the same bed with him at night? She said, Yeah He said, He's very nice when he's not a wolf And I' say I can see it is very nice when he's not a wolf, but the fact that You're still together. you're a very brave lady. but anyway, we cast it out And, you know, he's and then, uh, He still is in contact with me They they uh culture that we live in What's the hope for a man like that? There's no room for it to even exist Everybody thinks's over the cuckoo's nest, No everybody that is a Christian will say, I know this story about Nebuchadnezzar. And I believe it. And But they don't. they don't. It's a historic belieelf meaning I believe it happened once upon a time in history, but it's almost like they believe that story was told at one point in time of history. Yeah. They treat it as if it's a story that you tell kids and stuff and it's not really meant to believe. Yeah. It's like I believe. Yeahah, you believe the story was told at one point in time of history. It's documented in a book and you dance around whether it's real or not in your heart Right And that's the that's the thing with like even salvation. It's like Romamans ten nine, you know, It's like you got to confess to your mouth, believe in your heart You can say what you want with your mouth But when it comes to your heart. so when it comes to these stories, you can say as much as you want, Ohh, yeah, I believe the Bible. but do you actually believe the Bible? Yeah? You know, and that that story. I mean I um On the wall behind Jack over there, there's a movie poster a top left corner Eedition dogman that was the very first documentary I ever shot. Really? Yeah. and I didn't even know I was shooting a documentary at the time. I literally thought that I was just doing a YouTube video. and then I just so happened to assemble the Avengers. And I was like, oh, we have a crew here. you know, this is actually worth something. Yeah The whole thing behind that was I Episode three hundred thirty five, I had a guy on the show from Kentucky who said that when he was a kid H and his grandfather would go raccoon hunting, He'd go out at night with the dogs And they go out into the Daniel Boon Forest and his grandfather's at the point now where he physically can't get out anymore. So he drove the truck, he parked it, they had radios So he's going through the woods, the dogs get on a trail, they tree a coon. There's two dogs Jake, the older dog, which was a legendary hunting dog in the area, and then Bu, which was a younger dog that was being trained So as he's trying to catch up to the dogs, they're off in the distance you just hear him barking He hears these coyotes coming in his grandfather gets on the radio said, you better get to the dogs for the coyotes, orr also's gonna be a blood bath. Yeah. And so he's getting trying to get there as fast as he can and he hears the coyotes come in, there's this fight. and he hears his younger dog Beau run away And when Bau runs away, his older dog, Jake, he said, sounded like he held down the spot where the raccoon was and the tree because these dogs run off He said that they came in like one by one though And he said it's like they regrouped and they came in together and they start attacking his dog, Jake and they started beating up on him. And then all of a sudden, hears Bo come back and the fight changes and they run off and he comes and he sees Jake barking at the tree again just he calls it chopping down a tree with the barks, you know. And so he goes over and and pats Jake on the head And good boy. And he he'ars Bow on the other side of the tree chomping down on on a coyote And so he's like, this dog's turning into a great hunting dog. Let me going go over there. So he goes around the tree to congratulate his dog on a a good fight. And he realizes that that's not his dog that he thought came back. He said, what he was looking at was the biggest dog he's ever seen. He said, I am very very familiar with the woods, the people in this area I know everybody's dogs. I've never seen this dog my entire life And as he's sitting and standing there probably for me to the wall from this dog is right there He said he's contemplating how large this dog is. and he said it was so big that it was holding the ribcaage of a coyote by its mouth. So like he has the ribcaage in its mouth And the dog stops and sees him and looks up at him And as it locks eyes with him He said, this is where everything changed to This is something that he that that that it's like a bad dream He said the dog stood up on his hind legs And in his mind, he said Well, I don't know if itro maybe dropped at that point Yeah. But he said in his mind, he's like trying to rationalize like, this isn't happening. All right, stood on on his hind legs and leaning against a tree. And he said then it took a step towards him. And then he took off running. And it turns into this whole like him telling the story probably takes about this part of the story takes probably about twenty, thirty minutes, but it probably happened in five seconds, you know bite I'll go down And I want to investigate this area because one of the key things about it was during this fight that then happened between his dog and this thing U his dog lost his collar, which was metal and I was like And he never retrieved it. And I said, so if you take me to this location and I can find your dog's collar, I could show that this actually happened Yeah. And so we go down there and do this whole thing. And the reason why I tell you this whole story is because of how bid I felt telling people what I was doing You know and how ridiculous I was made to feel by people in my everyday world. Like the people listening stuff, they were excited about it. we all celebrated it together Yeah. But like everyveryday life. I was it just Moron who believe that this could even be possible and On this topic of werewolf or if you want to call it dog manan I feel like there's different In my mind, I categorize things in three to four different categories U But let's just say it this way I think that these things do exist they come into existence possibly through one what you had just said, like ritual I then there's I believe that these things might be more interdimensional as well the same, but maybe come from different origins But I also believe that there is an element where there are elites who understand what is going on and what is out there and there's replication So With all that I when it comes to these This specific topic but in general There's got to be like these curveballs that happen Um If that man has whereare spirit in him You can cast that thing out. What if something is maybe coming from another realm. Yeah. or even created by by an organization And I'm asking this very open ended because I don't have answer to it. Like but at least you're scratching your head because you're wondering Well, how do you handle something that was created? And it looks like this. Mbe it was grown in a lab, but it's not a demon. It's not an entity. It's not a spirit possessing a man How do we even handle that, you know And And that just kind of makes me left holding a bag scratching my head again. Yeah. you know, And I guess I could just put that on the table to you because the similar things happen with, you know, aliens too. Like There are times people will be in an abduction And They they' lie th th They'll cry out to Jesus and the abuction stops immediately. There's tons of documented cases like that And then there's other times where that the same thing happens and they're crying out and it doesn't stop. And and you could say, one, okay, are they really a Christian? Is that the is that the part of the formula? or maybe is what was happening to that person, the alien entity that was doing the abduction Was it the same type of thing the former the other person was experiencing, you know? Yeah So I laid a bunch on the table. I'll let you sift through it as you'd like. Yeah. well, I have a three word answer for that. Okay Yes. No. Me neither. and that's okay. Yeah. In fact, it's preferable If you think you know everything you're guaranteed to be wrong about a whole bunch of stuff. because It's not a possibility that any human knows everything. So u I of course, this B We know there are transmognification spirits Yeah. And and We also know there are u beings that are fallen. and they're Uh, They're interdimensional entities who I think that Um, Bigfoot stuff is one of those. And um, I have some unique friends, you know, but one of them is a translator for the DOD original language translator and So he hob knobs with very interesting people around very interesting topics But anyway U He says that Tulssei, New Mexico has a bigfoot in captivity that they They've been doing Eon Again It's what he says. I don't know. But you know, what I have learned is uh, I have been prized enough in my life And wrong enough in my life that I'm never again going to disbelieve somebody just for the heck of it. Yeah, right? Yeah I'm never going to just say Well that sounds strange, I don't believe it For my own comfortability, I won't believe it. That's usually what it boils down to. That's what it boils down to And I I'm not page ever again I'll just say, okay, so I'm going to believe that until someomebody proves that that concocted her. I mean, proved it, not just that I hear a whole bunch of people that choose to belieieve it But you have to posture yourself as either a person of faith or a person of doubt and unbelief. And when I was young, largely through religious indoctrinization largely I just didn't believe a whole lot of stuff. and my wife Wh's A Allllen's granddaughter. She is a woman of faith And she called me on it. She said, you have You have a stronghold of doubt and unbelief and you need to deal with it than God for her, but U, but when I thought that through, I don't want to be a man of doubt and unbelief Um What if Thomas would have chose to believe It had been be called faithful Thomas for two thousand years instead of doubting Thomas. But he was like that. Yeah I don't want to be that guy that just chooses not to believe. becausecause really I love people And it's very demeaning to the other person to choose not to believe in their experience. Why would you do that None of us want somebody to do that to us, right? and the the rule of Christ is doue to others, what you would want them to do to you So Um I've just learned to think, well, maybe You know, It's a weird world that we live in. Yeah you of all people would know that. Yeah Yeahah. and And so, um I guess I've been so wrong about so many things that I thought I was so right about that it makes it easy for me to say, well, maybe and then U justust, you know I got a big shelf to store weird and wonderful things. I'll put that on the shelf If I learn anything else about that as we go on But and I have a lot of questions about eternity I've heard a lot of people talk about experiences they've had And um They they don't They don't fit in a tidy little parameters you know, doctrinal parameters that We have established a Bible callge Okay, so still was a good person, good hearted, a sane person tryrying to prove anything He's just saying I had this experience. It's not a theory to me I had this experience and like, okay, well, I'm not going to call you a liar just because I haven't had that experience I'm going to instead say, huh How do you like them apples, right And then put it on a shelf and say that there may be thing that we have completely overlooked. And in my line of work I'll give you a great example Basic Um Christian religion I should probably say that u uh Augustinian theology, you know, he's the father of Western theology. so Augustine There were angels and demons and debt Everybody when they died instantly went into the eternal state And Everything else was lies Mm There's no biblical reason to think that. and when you go to and just some of the situations I go into, you hear all kinds of things about wandering spirits spirits Oh. Like for instance, the killing films in Cambodia. We don't even know about the killing fields. but in Cambodia If you want a really good deal on land, by a killing field because the spirits of the unquuiet Dad haunt us Billing fies And everybody in Cambodia knows it because they can hear their voices at night You don't get a whole culture that's making stuff up They hear their voices. So they don't want anything to do with those killing fields where they axe murdered people and threw them in a rice paty, you know, during the Khmer Rouge So we can we can and have bought a killing field. and prayer walked around it until all the spirits are quiet And then built an orphanage there Wow, Really Yeah what what you're doing is just exercising the spirits from the field. likeike you can't be here anymore. You need to go wherever. Would you would did you ever did you actually hear them yourself? I didn't hear them. Okay But um You know I used to wish I could hear every little thing. I'm kind of glad I don't now because there's It would be a Rough life to live because I'm involved in so much. I could just go and do exorcisms in Cambodia and go right to sleep and sleep like a baby. Other people are like, oh my God, how did you sleep last night? You know, this was happening, that was happening So I've learned to see it as a blessing, but but um I a lot of times don't hear things and But I know it's real and I know that the people that U live there. You know, the average Cambodian their their pineate is working just fine and so they are able to actually see into the spirit realm And I've had some amazing experience with that. You know, littleittle kids say, you're making the spirit mad you know, so look at him. he's mad at you Oh I can't see them and they just What? He's right there in the tree. Usually going like fluoride. Yeah. Exactly. But anyway I just I've I'm thankful that I've been around enough strange things to help me not be so bigoted in my And we're supposed to be humble, all right? and not think more highly versves than we ought to think Oh But anyway if you get out and around you start thinking It's a big world eternity is just that. It's forever in every direction We can't possibly know very much about it And so let's Let's old things open handed and be willing to learn and learn to talk to each other and listen to each other notot always just say, Oh, no, that's that's not possible, you know. Yeah you kind of talked about that last night a little bit with the u to Sader I And I found that That's I mean, I would love it if you shared that experience because that that was You guys, kind of touching new territory with because you have a you have a Do doing it again. What's the word? I did it last night at dinner. Deliverance? Deliverance. I don't know why the last twenty four hours. I can't remember the word deliverance. Yeah. Last night when you were hunting for it, I thought it was some everybody And I was like,, I told Jack like, shhut up. You're making this harder. L the wor to say discipleship. But you have a deliverance ministry. and what I find interesting about that is I think you shared it on the first episode with me, how at one point in time in your life, you had never seen a miracle And that was a big problem for you.. And for your faith, it was a big faith checking moment And now to see that you have like this entire ministry that's built around supernatural. Yeah And you guys do these different deliverances, but you had never tackled it was it depression, not not depression. What was the discouragement? Discouragement. Yeah. Yeah. That was the dispater thing that had something to do with the guy on your staff though, right Yeah, yeah. so you want me tell the story really quick. Yeah. so we had been doing U what we called U teearing down strongholds classes Yeah, and that just on Tuesday or Thursday night, would do a tearing down strongholds and people would come out and it was always thematic. And so we would advertise over the weekend what we're doing tearing down the stronghold of lust or tearing down the stronghold of unforgiveness or whatever it was, right And there's so many things, you know U, and so We've been doing that for years And Mhm one of our staff pastors who's a close friend of mine and was very involved from the get go. He was involved the first night that we had an experience with demons. his name' Jess Parker. and by the way, any one'es listening and go to the churchgladtites. com uh in the store or has Lots and lots of different u stronghold messages tearing down stronghold of whatever. and he'll go through the Bible and talk about it and teach on it. And then, um and then pray for people to be free of those life dominating things ' that's our motto is get free, stay free helpel other people get free So anyway, we've been doing a lot of these and H Jess comes down. hisis wife was sick and she actually eventually died He's remarried now. but at the time, Peggy was really sick And he came down And Just he's a great guy He's a spiritual warrior, but He was just whipped and he He said, I quit And he tried to, you know tender his resignation. I said, I'm not receiving your resignation. You're discouraged No, I quit. I can't do this anymore My wife's sick, it's, you know, nothing's working up, blah, blah, blah. But being his close friend listening to him, I could just see discouragement oozing out in every direction And so I said, Jess, you're discouraged. I want you to take a week off and just relax and sleep in and you know, don't pray for anybody. Just take a week off talk again And so he came back a week later He had been he's a good man. He'd been praying and, you know, sorting things out and he was doing a little better, but he came back And he said, I think you're right. I'm really discouraged. And I said, okay, so I've been praying for you this week and it dawned on me. We've done tearing down the stronghold of just about everything And we've overlooked discouragement because it's so universal. peoplee get discouraged, you know So He said, well, I don't want to do that I said, Yeahah, I said that's your deal. You do the stronghold classes. I'll help you let's do it together. but So anyway, he says, Okaykay. So he went down to his office to work on it H laptop which was not plugged in or on. It was open on his desk with this God awful pitcher this demon And he had a big war club He' he's holding a severed head and he has his want one foot up on a pile of skulls And It says across the screen You really want to F with me And he came back and showed it to me She this was just there when I went into my office and So I said, well, obviously that sppirit is behind discouragement And so So anyway, that week And This a convergence of spiritual warfare week. hisis Facebook got hacked two days later And somebody was posting as him on his Facebook F these Christians, you know, they're so stupid. I I'm just making money off and blah, blah blah But anyway it was It was somehow coming onto his Facebook page as if he was posting it And so anyway, I said, well everybody that knows you knows that you would never do that. You got hacked. It happens. shut down the Facebook page shut down that. And then he got an email said How do you like what we did with your Facebook page And so he came down to show me the email And I we noticed together that the They u email address was Dpader six six six at AL d. com So Anyway, he said, well, all right, let's go with this name Let see what we already know where six six six mans. So let's do this name. Well. When we Google that, the same picture came up. as Dpader and it said this is one of the the u seventh u seven spirits that surround the throne of Lucifer And they are the seven strongest Fallen spirits And Dpateer means the father of all discouragement. and It had a whole thing. byy the way, he's one of the figures in Dungeons and Dragons of the game. A really powerful figure. Does he go by that name? Vader Yeahah. Wow. And so Uh So anyway, we read about it and it said that is the father of all discouragement And he boasts of being able to particularly discourage the righteous by diverting all money and benefits and favors away from them putting it into the hands of the wicked So that they like David said, I serve God for nothing. look at how the wicked prosper, right And everybody that's tried to serve God for long has run into that sureure. And so and our church was very familiar with it at the time. and So anyway, we u We learned about Vader. and they the direct that that spirit had had against the leadership of the church And So you know, we did the tearing down strongholds and prayed a lot against Dader and The way that demon princes work is that there are millions of demons under them, right They're like generals. And um So anyway, we've we've had a lot of experience since then. Ping against that And it's really prevalent. It's like the spirit of Jezebel Jezbel is not a demon. There are millions of of spirits that work under that demon Lord and uh And so it's one of the fallen ones And um, So anyway That was the story about how powerful discouragement is and that works course, Jezebel is seduction and Rebellion. But anyway, those kind of things you know, can can be U assigned to where they focus their legions O a particular ministry or a particular person, it could be overwhelmed So You said this last night and then you just said it again. and I don't know how far you are even equipped to dig into it with me. But this idea of the seven U teas, spirits, whatever they are, fallen entities I guess support and serve Satan I Dpader being one of them. Have you looked at that as far as like what the other six are and the roles in culture society? where like where the markers are that that you're like, Yep, that's that that one because I have, um in I journey doing this have come across a lot of stories. and, uh One one of the things that helped me turn the page to where I'm at now with things where I'm like It's warfare is happening right now. And you better lace them up and get ready to fight. Yeah because you don't have a choice in this Yeah. was a story where there was u an entity that appeared to A man that u by a certain name that I had never heard before And turned into this whole big story where I mean, he was taken by this entity and shown how to do things and he was showing other people how to do it and transcending realms transfigurations and all this stuff with the body. and and I hearing what you have to say with that, I was wondering, I was like, I wonder if how complex this hierarchy is like Hyer, we were talking about Hyer and Hyer talks about eighty Psalm eighty two. I was just say eighty two again I'm assuming everybody knows what I mean. Yeah. and how God is judging Elohim and it just paints this picture of theres there's a hierarchy outside of what Western Christian theology typically has believed in and said there is there's other Elohim that have been created by the Elohim and they had jobs, they rebelled. But those Eohim from what I understand as the simple podcaster are different than the fallen angels. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but it just it seems like there'ss there's a hierarchy and structure to that But there's also a hierarchy and structure to those who serve God as well. the angels. and it's like I'd never heard I don't think I've ever heard of this idea of theven the seeven spirits. The Seven Sats is what they call. The Seven Satanans? Yeah. Okay. Satan just means adversaries, but they're called The seeven Satans. Okay. So I mean What do you know about it? I mean well, okay, so Um, This is my feeling they study this u And you get into differentiffere people having different theories. about how things are structured My feeling is that we don't know for sure and so we shouldn't act like we know for sure. Right. Again, that's the big challenge for theologians is they want to act like they know for sure. Um if you If you listen to the You know, the ancient rabbis. they have different configurations And So we should We should be content recognizeed that we don't know for sure. But I think there are some things that we can know I think there are differentiff genres of sp. ir we know that Lucifer was called the Great Dragon And we know that that, um Sara film and sccripture. are the fiery dragons And the reason that it wasn't translated because of an adversion to dragons And um, Yeah the thing we have to remember is God created everything. He didn't create some things and Satan created some things. God created everything And in their creative state, they were perfect whichich means there's perfect dragons Which I think is cool. is cool. Give me one of those. Get me one of those. exactly. saw God gives me dreams sometimes. I saw one of them that came down on our stage at Clad Tidings, But anyway Um, So, um there There are different genres of things. We know that there are Some of them talked about in scripture, there are watchers. There are fallen watchers, that are holy watchers U we know there are warriors we know that there are messengers. We know that all those are different stations that And God ordain employees And I think that we can assume that because of the prevalence of Lucifer in the eternal structure that that a big swath fell under him So there would be some dragons and there would be some and there would be some warriors than would write a whole bunch of stuff Yeah know stars are another genre And so Anyway, I think probably just There is a third of the stars, if we just as a starting place, we just say, let's Let's take that Um percentage and use it across the board I say that a third of everything followed the dragon and his rebellion And that's what destroyed They pre damic earth during that cosmic revolt then, um, then there probably a third is Quite a chunk. Yeah, right? So they probably establish their kingdom as much as they could to u to reflect or to mirror the kingdom of God in heaven We know Satan has a throne. And so there's God has the throne, Satan has the throne. God has have this seven what we call wrongly so, but we call them the face angels. U but they're they're not even angels in terms of Malk messengers, but anyway, seven spirits of God that dwell before the throne. And Isaiah, of course, lists them out wisdom and understanding you know all those things. But anyway, I think that The seven Satans are a reflection of the seven spirits of God. The Catholic Church has named them all they don't have this paper in there. when we were studying disper U they they said he could be one of the others like S Modus or Baal. Uh because it's sort of like me when I travel You know, my name's Dave in America, but in Hawaii or in Japan is Dabado. And it's still me. It's just it's different over there, right? So who knows how all those lines fall, right? But I think there are all different kinds of Um of stations in the Kingdom of darkness deemons are different entirely. They're the disembodied spirits of the ancient evil dead that were commissioned in the days of Enoch to try the hearts of the sons of men. Things you couldn't say thirty years ago. Yeah. and and so the other ones and there's aggregors that was An agggor is is a spirit that is empowered U through the sins of our region And, um, It may be the same as a principality it may not. but U That's generally how aggreor is defined is that that it establishes a regional throne based on the sins that have been perpetrated there and Again, so Probably similar to a prince. Principality means the ruler of a region And so are they exactly the same? might be might be one of those things where it's language, right? But one thing we know for sure is There's almost infinite variety in all kinds of things. And so, um, There's no reason to believe that it doesn't go right down to amps and you know, Yeah, all those kinds of things. S some of them align themselves with The morning star, Lucif and were cast out of heaven And um but I think we need to remember that everything was created good. And those, you know, like tinkerbell, whatever little fairy type things You know uh they they the religious mind in America would discount all that as as fairy tales and whatnot Yeah. But u The reason there are fairy tales is people have had all kinds of experiences for a very long time And I don't know if you knew this, but U both C S. Lewis And um and JR Tolkien. both stated in their writings that they wrote fictional books to express their own experiences in the spirit realm because the Church of England was too dull to Receive it Uh and um And I can't remember which of them, but one of them said Isn't it sad peopleople will receive more from a fictional story then the confessions of a true experience. Yeah That's pretty sad. It's extremely sad. Yeah. And if you think about the writings that they had you're left holding a bag of, well, which one was real? You know? because it's all wild. I got some thoughts on that though, for sure because u That story I told you about earlier the u the young man who was recruited by the entity Um Part of his story is he says the same thing is he said there's a lot of Authors even down to Hollywood. ors who think One they'll mask it as a fake movie but it's actually based off reality O They will have something come to with them in a dream and give them these ideas And then they're like, oh, man itherre amazing dream or I'm so creative. Yeah. And it's like it's like well actually. So let me tell you a story, but I have a friend you may have heard of Sadus do something that is from Chennaindia. But anyway Um, he's got a Um ministry that's called Angel TV And he's he's a great guy And, um He was praying about the end of time And he told me this himself. He said, an angel appeared to him and said The masters heard your prayer. He was praying about, you know, how can I prepare people for . the days that we're coming into, right And he wanted to use his angel TV to do it This is not Angel stududios that does movies It's from Chinai, India. But anyway, he calls it Angel TV So anyway, So he said an angel came to him and said, The master has allowed me to come to you. And with a message and the message is Listen to the prophets of Hollywood. And so Sadu said I'm not sure who the prophets of Hollywood And the angel said, in other words, almost exactly what you said He said the prophets of Hollywood are people who don't know the master they hear his voice and assume it's their imagination And they have put together movies about the end of the age are, um that are reflective. you know, a prophetic voice even though They're not Christian And so He said he told him one by name. And um That's u I think it's called ten point five ten point five or something. It's it's about a, you know, it's a great culture. There's a you know, the Richter scale It was supposed to go from zero So ten was supposed to be A extinction event. Mmm, you know, that the earth self distracts This movie is called ten pointint five. It's about Absolute annhilation. Yeah And, uh Yeah, I've watched the movie a couple of times. It's about an earthquake that opens up the what's that? um Andjoyressful It does that on the west There's one that goes down the Missouri River. Yes, yes. I was just I was just looking at that last week and that becomes a title breach and goes up in the movie. Holy cow. It becomes a title breach It goes up through the Great Lakes And it divides America in half everything on that side becomes a different continent because it goes all the way from Great Lakes down into now the Gulf of America Look up try finding what it's called because there's a specific thing that I can't remember, but it was like in the eighteen hundreds or something like that, there was an earthquake that was like I think it was like a seven point nine and the aftershocks were like seven something. and it happened the epicenter was, I think, like Springfield, Missouri, or not maybe not Springfield, but right on the across the line from the Tennessee borderline. Just try to dig around and see if you find anything It's like I'm so I'm so surprised you brought this up because I was I don't even remember how I got on this. I just go down these like rabbit holes, you know? Yeah. And I was like Nan, that ain't real. you're saying actually. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, you know, you can just lookook up versus the Bible says Some point, the Eth will shake to the point that Every major city is destroyed That that's an earthquake Mmhm Like I remember seeing there was a graphic. And the graphic showed the center of the country where this the Eicenter is te destruction is said. And then there was a circle outside of that that initial circle that showed the levels of damage. And this was, I mean, it basically covered the entire country. Yeah. And you know, being right here, we' we're just outside the catastrophic zone, but the you're probably dead zone, but maybe your kids survived a little bit. You know, you're they definitely are missing some arms you know Yeah terrible Yeah about moving? Yeah. Well Where are you going to move? differentifferent planet The whole planet's going to shake at the end of the we'll go down with Hogan. Yeah there you go. Well anyway, I do believe that very creative people They' God is the source of creativity. very creative people are hearing from God impressions that often they tribute to their own prowess, you know, like I'm a great musician or whatever. I'll tell you a story. Do you know who Steve Mitchell is He's a worship leader for Metro Church and The guy is an awesome musician And we've had him to come out to do some, um Praise fasts, you know, or we'll just have praise and worship for a couple of days But anyway He's a great guy and he's had some very unique experiences And he said, he told me one time He said, Dave, do you ever think that maybe you're an angel in a human body I said Now Steve I've wondered if I was the Antichrist at time or two though. But He says, all I ever want to do is just sing worship to God And I said, I think that's awesome, my friend. But, uh Anyway, he's had some experiences and he said We were talking about this, you know, how God entrusts things to people and people develop a sense of ownership He said I was U I was in heaven. having this experience and I was being walked along by an angel And he said I can't remember what song it was, but he told me which song. It's a song that I love that he sings, but anyway, I can't remember which one, but Um I was telling him how anointed I thought it was and he told me this story He said, I was walking along in heaven with this angel and I heard that song turnurned to the angel said They're singing my song And he said, the Angel smile looked down at me and he said, Your song He said, you know how many thousands of years we've been seeing? And and, you know, it was it was just one of those cool experiences that remind you If God entrusts you with something, don't try to put your trademark on it. Just thank God that He gave it to you and share it with H people, you know Absolutely Absolutely Um, I think we're going we're going to bring this in for a landing here, this conversation. And Jack, how long we been going ro about Just about two hours. Just about two hours. oK my stomach's starting to growl and I know there's food next door. Yeah. but I want you to let people know about Isaiah sixty one, right? Okay conference. Yeah. And anything else that maybe you have some stuff that's coming up that you'd like to let people know about. Okay. Well we do Isaiah sixty one twice a year at our place and then sometimes we do it out and about. but It's a full week. It starts on a Monday night goes basically from nine to nine, Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday and Friday we usually end about six o'clock. but it's a lot of teaching I teach. my wife teaches and then one of our staff pastors, Jess Barker teaches And then we always have one guest we've had a lot of great guests that come in and And so it's It's a real dose of deliverance teaching. And then we have deliverance materials. You can find out about it at our website. It's church ofgladidings. com in the store Look for the Isaiah sixty one seminar We have another one coming up in April. end of April and then we have I think it's april twenteth through twenty four And then we always do Our fall one always is the week of Halloween because We celebrate the amazing victory that's in this book, the Serpent the Savior, also available on that website, but that's the story of Reay Ray Leveay. and her salvation from the Church of Satan And it includes the story of how Anton Levade died. So that happened on Halloween Eve of nineteen ninety seven And so we always celebrate that and we We usually have a holy Holocaust, we call that we have a big bonfire and tell people to If the Holy Spirit' convicted you of anything or fetishes or You know, what whatever brring them out withow a fighter like in the book of Acts when God u poured out his spirit in Ephesus that they had a big bonfire earned all their witchcraft stuff, you know, peopleeople bring Ouja boards, all kinds of things that should never be in Christian's house and lotots of music Music is really powerful tool of the of the spirit world. so it can be used greatly for God or it can be used greatly for U the enemy So anyway And we do that at the Isaiah sixty one and We have ing up. so I hope you can join us for that And then we do have other conferences, but U I don't want to confuse it all, but we have an events page that you can go to. Yeah, we do have one called Healing God's wayay that's coming up. And we're going to expose the fraud of Western medicine Western medicine was Shanghai one hundred and twenty five years ago by the Rockefeller Foundation And so, um the Western medicine has specialized and making money off your sickness, but not making anybody well So we're going to talk about God's way of making people well. and some of the modalities that are available that are really great basasically light and frequency and magnetism, stuff like that So that's coming up as well. And hope to join us Church Glad Tithings. We have some great conferences. I'll tell you what, I mean, this conversation and what you just shared it here at the end I imagine there's a whole host of people listening like that's the pastor I won. you know, I've been whole now going back to church, but you know what? I mean I live two hours from him. I'm going to start commuting every Sunday, you know So that's really cool. you with Isaiah sixty one I know you said you have like these Satanists that come in and w witches and stuff that harass you. Is that at both conferences or the one specifically during Halloween? Well, we always have have witches and warlocks of stuff that are trying to come against our church because of what happened with Anton Lavase. put us on a hit list that It's just, you know, a standard operational procedure that if we're doing something they're trying to oppose it. But they focus their efforts on October confonference because that's their of course, their high day of the year that is the anniversary of Aon's death. So We usually get what I call nasty grams from Cvins saying Just so you know, we're alive and well. We haven't gone anywhere and we'll be cursing you for the Halloween. Rituals. They would get tired of it. like Well, it Yeah, I guess it would be dishonest to say you don't get tired of spiritual warfare, right? You would just like to have u overwhelming victory that's onnce and for all But I don't think that happens til Jesus comes back. Yeah. in the meanwhile, we just 've learned to be good soldiers Jesus Christ and that's just You know the way we live All right, I know I said we one exam I got asking another question to becausecause of that and the attacks that come on the church, your ministry, you And it's so continual Do you ever find yourself Like almost being numbed to it in the sense where it's just like it's just it's a state of existence almost. and is that dangerous territory? I think it could be, you know, anything, if you become careless, could be dangerous in any kind of battle We do find ourselves Uh musing over how strange we become. You know, we don't exerorcise jokes and stuff. And if somebody sneezes, somebody will say and stay out, you know. But anyway that u I think One thing we've done, Tony is Um Deliverance should be a vital ministry of every local church, but it should not be the only vital ministry So when people ask, are you deelliverance church, I always say, yeah But we're also a salvation church church of evangelism, a healing church, a church of good works, you know? So I think that helps us We're talking about deliverance right now, but We do over three million pounds of food a year that we give out to the poor and needy and We have missions all over the world And we do a lot of stuff. So I think it helps us to st focus by keeping the main thing, the main thing and that's people knowing and loving Jesus. Yeah No, I absolutely agree. Yeah. Let Let's have some lunch and then I want to sit and talk to you again for the members All right Good Let's go have some fun. Yeah. U. 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